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  • IanB2
    IanB2 Posts: 52,311
    edited June 2016
    First! (Like remain next time lol)
  • GIN1138
    GIN1138 Posts: 22,938
    Stick to your guns Jezza
  • TheScreamingEagles
    TheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,806
    But 40 is enough to get him on the ballot paper in a future leadership election
  • TGOHF
    TGOHF Posts: 21,633


    Kay Burley@KayBurley 9m9 minutes ago

    BREAK: President of European council, Tusk, tells Sturgeon he's not interested in meeting her tomorrow
  • GIN1138
    GIN1138 Posts: 22,938
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    But 40 is enough to get him on the ballot paper in a future leadership election

    :smiley:
  • SouthamObserver
    SouthamObserver Posts: 40,054
    Not a great result for Corbyn, but it changes nothing. He will not stand down.
  • Pulpstar
    Pulpstar Posts: 79,813
    GIN1138 said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    But 40 is enough to get him on the ballot paper in a future leadership election

    :smiley:
    :D Save Jez !
  • RodCrosby
    RodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    edited June 2016
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    But 40 is enough to get him on the ballot paper in a future leadership election

    Doesn't need 'em. He's there by virtue of being the incumbent...
  • John_M
    John_M Posts: 7,503
    OK we've now identified another 176 Tories. Cameron's majority overwhelming.
  • SimonStClare
    SimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    edited June 2016
    81% of the Labour MPs who voted have no confidence in Jermey Corbyn.

    Or to put it another way, enough MPs to form a new party..!
  • SandyRentool
    SandyRentool Posts: 23,156
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    But 40 is enough to get him on the ballot paper in a future leadership election

    0 is enough, according to legal advice. However, the 44 could all nominate another Corbynite.
  • Sunil_Prasannan
    Sunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,077
    Damn - that's my £3 down the plug hole then...
  • madasafish
    madasafish Posts: 659
    Anyone think Corbyn to be re-elected and a re-run of all this in 9 months time? Like Groundhog Day .. but 9 months at a time..
  • GIN1138
    GIN1138 Posts: 22,938
    TGOHF said:



    Kay Burley@KayBurley 9m9 minutes ago

    BREAK: President of European council, Tusk, tells Sturgeon he's not interested in meeting her tomorrow

    NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    The eurocrats can't snub lovely Nicola like this! :(
  • Pulpstar
    Pulpstar Posts: 79,813
    TGOHF said:



    Kay Burley@KayBurley 9m9 minutes ago

    BREAK: President of European council, Tusk, tells Sturgeon he's not interested in meeting her tomorrow

    She'll have to get that there independence first...

    So will Khan ;)
  • Paul_Bedfordshire
    Paul_Bedfordshire Posts: 3,632
    Amongst all the panic and recriminations here, can someone explain the difference between EEA and EFTA particularily in terms of:

    * Ability to agree bilateral trade deals with non EU states

    * Freedom of movement of people.

    * Annual membership fee.

    * Obligation for domestic sales to have CE marking/follow single market related EU directives.

    * CAP / CF policy.

    Thanks
  • RochdalePioneers
    RochdalePioneers Posts: 30,611
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    But 40 is enough to get him on the ballot paper in a future leadership election

    "And its 5 more MPs than supported me on the day that nominations closed last time. So there, MORE support me."
  • FrancisUrquhart
    FrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,724
    edited June 2016
    BBC say 44...plenty to carry on.
  • RodCrosby
    RodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    Serwotka backing Corbyn to the hilt...
  • Paul_Bedfordshire
    Paul_Bedfordshire Posts: 3,632
    SimonStClare said:

    81% of the Labour MPs who voted have no confidence in Jermey Corbyn.

    Or to put it another way, enough MPs to form a new party..!

    What is different from the day he was elected leader?
  • Pulpstar
    Pulpstar Posts: 79,813
    SandyRentool said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    But 40 is enough to get him on the ballot paper in a future leadership election

    0 is enough, according to legal advice. However, the 44 could all nominate another Corbynite.
    They could nominate McDonnell.
  • Scott_P
    Scott_P Posts: 51,453
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    BBC say 44...plenty to carry on.

    4 abstentions. 40 is the number
  • GIN1138
    GIN1138 Posts: 22,938
    edited June 2016
    madasafish said:

    Anyone think Corbyn to be re-elected and a re-run of all this in 9 months time? Like Groundhog Day .. but 9 months at a time..

    We don't know what's going to happen in the next 9 minutes nevermind the next 9 months! ;)
  • Morris_Dancer
    Morris_Dancer Posts: 62,742
    If the 172 formed a new party they'd become the Official Opposition. Corbyn-Labour would become the 4th party, behind the SNP.
  • rcs1000
    rcs1000 Posts: 60,717
    FPT:
    Paul_Bedfordshire said:

    Amongst all the panic and recriminations here, can someone explain the difference between EEA and EFTA particularily in terms of:

    * Ability to agree bilateral trade deals with non EU states

    * Freedom of movement of people.

    * Annual membership fee.

    * Obligation for domestic sales to have CE marking/follow single market related EU directives.

    * CAP / CF policy.

    Thanks

    You can be a member of EFTA and not the EEA (like Switzerland), but most people use EFTA/EEA to mean membership of the EEA through EFTA.

    * Ability to agree bilateral trade deals with non EU states
    - yes

    * Freedom of movement of people.
    - yes, albeit with more freedom for a state to impose emergency restrictions, and some more flexibiity re benefits and the like.

    * Annual membership fee.
    EFTA/EEA *probably* costs slightly more than straight EFTA. (Hard to know exactly because the Swiss hide part of their fee by allowing the EU to collect customs duties on their behalf.)

    The exact bill is up for negotiation, but would be in the range of £2bn at the low-end to £5bn at the high end. (The high estimate includes a bunch of projects that are not compulsory.)

    * Obligation for domestic sales to have CE marking/follow single market related EU directives.
    Neither has that.

    * CAP / CF policy.
    CAP is easy-peasy, we'd be out.
    CFP is a bit more complicated because the most sensible long-term solution is to recreate the 'box' with Ireland. We'd definitely leave it, but there's probably a long-term negotiation there needed.
  • Richard_Nabavi
    Richard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    SouthamObserver said:

    Not a great result for Corbyn...

    Wonderful English understatement!
  • TGOHF
    TGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Scott_P said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    BBC say 44...plenty to carry on.

    4 abstentions. 40 is the number
    4 spoiled ballots apparently ?
  • DanSmith
    DanSmith Posts: 1,215
    He needs 50 to get on the ballot...
  • AndyJS
    AndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited June 2016
    Labour can't even communicate the result accurately to the two biggest news channels in the country. BBC and Sky are giving different figures.
  • RodCrosby
    RodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    Pulpstar said:

    GIN1138 said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    But 40 is enough to get him on the ballot paper in a future leadership election

    :smiley:
    :D Save Jez !
    https://twitter.com/HeartThamesNews/status/747814147065262080
  • stjohn
    stjohn Posts: 1,910
    edited June 2016
    This article says Corbyn needs 50 to get on the leadership ballot but that can include MEPs.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jeremy-corbyn-labour-leadership-brexit-can-he-stand-for-re-election-vote-of-no-confidence-legal-a7107291.html
  • RealBritain
    RealBritain Posts: 255
    I find it very difficult to see how either McDonnell or Watson won't be the next leader, whenever that is.
  • Paul_Bedfordshire
    Paul_Bedfordshire Posts: 3,632
    edited June 2016
    TGOHF said:



    Kay Burley@KayBurley 9m9 minutes ago

    BREAK: President of European council, Tusk, tells Sturgeon he's not interested in meeting her tomorrow

    Have a look at that photo of the queen over at Guidos - Nicola has no chance
  • taffys
    taffys Posts: 9,753
    She'll have to get that there independence first...

    Tusk is the bitter rival of the Polish PM.

    If the FT is correct, Team Eastern Europe is very unhappy about Britain leaving.
  • Pulpstar
    Pulpstar Posts: 79,813
    DanSmith said:

    He needs 50 to get on the ballot...

    Wasn't it 35 ?
  • Paul_Bedfordshire
    Paul_Bedfordshire Posts: 3,632
    edited June 2016
    .
  • Morris_Dancer
    Morris_Dancer Posts: 62,742
    Mr. Taffys, is that unhappy as in angry with us, or sad (and perhaps angry with EU bigwigs)?
  • Tissue_Price
    Tissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    Pulpstar said:

    DanSmith said:

    He needs 50 to get on the ballot...

    Wasn't it 35 ?
    It's 20% for a challenge, including MEPs - 229+20 = 249. I think he'd struggle to get 50.
  • Jobabob
    Jobabob Posts: 3,807
    @Morris_Dancer

    London ALREADY IS devolved. We have been through this before. Khan is simply asking for extra powers, most of which I'll be will be centred around FOM and City passporting.

    It has sod all to do with an English Parliament or a Yorkshire Parliament and everything to do with England taking leave of its senses and trying to pull the jewel in the EU's crown out of the EU against its wishes.
  • Jobabob
    Jobabob Posts: 3,807
    Morris_Dancer said:

    If the 172 formed a new party they'd become the Official Opposition. Corbyn-Labour would become the 4th party, behind the SNP.

    Now a quite probable outcome.
  • felix
    felix Posts: 15,180
    TGOHF said:



    Kay Burley@KayBurley 9m9 minutes ago

    BREAK: President of European council, Tusk, tells Sturgeon he's not interested in meeting her tomorrow

    I thought that was very amusing - let's hope she hasn't booked her ticket.
  • taffys
    taffys Posts: 9,753
    ''Mr. Taffys, is that unhappy as in angry with us, or sad (and perhaps angry with EU bigwigs)''

    Very unhappy with EU bigwigs. They want Juncker's head on a stick.
  • Morris_Dancer
    Morris_Dancer Posts: 62,742
    Mr. Bob, to a small degree.

    You're right, though, to highlight the extent of increased powers does matter.
  • John_M
    John_M Posts: 7,503
    To answer Nick Palmer FPT:

    I'm on record as saying that the biggest risk I foresaw from Brexit was the calibre of the UK politicians. They haven't failed to disappoint.

    I want May for leader, Boris just doesn't have the gravitas. On the other hand, I think the Tories could probably elect Fanny the Wonder Dog and still beat a Corbyn-led Labour Party.
  • rottenborough
    rottenborough Posts: 66,860
    Paul Mason has taken it well:

    Paul Mason ‏@paulmasonnews 3m3 minutes ago London, England
    172 MPs signal they want Labour to go back to being a party of financial oligarchy and war
  • eek
    eek Posts: 30,707
    edited June 2016
    stjohn said:

    This article says Corbyn needs 50 to get on the leadership ballot but that can include MEPs.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jeremy-corbyn-labour-leadership-brexit-can-he-stand-for-re-election-vote-of-no-confidence-legal-a7107291.html

    Supposedly he's on the ballot automatically as the reigning leader...
  • RodCrosby
    RodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    Pulpstar said:

    DanSmith said:

    He needs 50 to get on the ballot...

    Wasn't it 35 ?
    He needs nothing.
  • MarkHopkins
    MarkHopkins Posts: 5,584
    Tissue_Price said:

    Pulpstar said:

    DanSmith said:

    He needs 50 to get on the ballot...

    Wasn't it 35 ?
    It's 20% for a challenge, including MEPs - 229+20 = 249. I think he'd struggle to get 50.

    But it's only higher at 20% because the presumption is the existing leader is automatically on it.

  • TGOHF
    TGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Faisal Islam ‏@faisalislam 3m3 minutes ago

    Confirmed result from labour no confidence motion

    172 for
    40 against
    4 spoilt ballots
    13 didn't vote
  • RodCrosby
    RodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    Some members of Corbo's new shadow cabinet did not vote...
  • SimonStClare
    SimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    eek said:

    stjohn said:

    This article says Corbyn needs 50 to get on the leadership ballot but that can include MEPs.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jeremy-corbyn-labour-leadership-brexit-can-he-stand-for-re-election-vote-of-no-confidence-legal-a7107291.html

    Supposedly he's on the ballot automatically as the reigning leader...
    That is my understanding also - automatically on the list.
  • RochdalePioneers
    RochdalePioneers Posts: 30,611
    Tissue_Price said:

    Pulpstar said:

    DanSmith said:

    He needs 50 to get on the ballot...

    Wasn't it 35 ?
    It's 20% for a challenge, including MEPs - 229+20 = 249. I think he'd struggle to get 50.
    The rule book states that "nominations may be sought by potential challengers" and "any nomination must be supported by 20%" of MPs. Rule book doesn't say anything about the incumbent needing any nominations.
  • Pulpstar
    Pulpstar Posts: 79,813
    SimonStClare said:

    eek said:

    stjohn said:

    This article says Corbyn needs 50 to get on the leadership ballot but that can include MEPs.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jeremy-corbyn-labour-leadership-brexit-can-he-stand-for-re-election-vote-of-no-confidence-legal-a7107291.html

    Supposedly he's on the ballot automatically as the reigning leader...
    That is my understanding also - automatically on the list.
    Go Jez :D
  • Sunil_Prasannan
    Sunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,077
    Jobabob said:

    @Morris_Dancer

    London ALREADY IS devolved. We have been through this before. Khan is simply asking for extra powers, most of which I'll be will be centred around FOM and City passporting.

    It has sod all to do with an English Parliament or a Yorkshire Parliament and everything to do with England taking leave of its senses and trying to pull the jewel in the EU's crown out of the EU against its wishes.

    We voted as the whole UK in the referendum.

    http://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/139/590x/secondary/448598.jpg
  • Jobabob
    Jobabob Posts: 3,807
    TGOHF said:

    Faisal Islam ‏@faisalislam 3m3 minutes ago

    Confirmed result from labour no confidence motion

    172 for
    40 against
    4 spoilt ballots
    13 didn't vote

    Be interesting to know who the prats are who spoiled their ballots
  • Scott_P
    Scott_P Posts: 51,453
    @benrileysmith: Two Labour sources: proposal is Angela Eagle runs against Corbyn while Tom Watson oversees as interim leader.
  • Pulpstar
    Pulpstar Posts: 79,813
    I bet the Labour MPs wish they had the Tory rules :p
  • Scott_P
    Scott_P Posts: 51,453
    @gmpolice: Three arrested in connection with a hate incident on a tram in Manchester City Centre. https://t.co/AbpygV4IOQ
  • rottenborough
    rottenborough Posts: 66,860
    Scott_P said:

    @benrileysmith: Two Labour sources: proposal is Angela Eagle runs against Corbyn while Tom Watson oversees as interim leader.

    That's no good, I don't have a bet on her!
  • RealBritain
    RealBritain Posts: 255
    Scott_P said:

    @benrileysmith: Two Labour sources: proposal is Angela Eagle runs against Corbyn while Tom Watson oversees as interim leader.

    Seems odd. Eagle would never win amongst the members.
  • Morris_Dancer
    Morris_Dancer Posts: 62,742
    Mr. Taffys, cheers for the clarification.

    Mr. Bob, maybe. I suspect the emotional pull of being Labour will make them try and axe Corbyn rather than jump ship and form the Judean People's Front.
  • Jobabob
    Jobabob Posts: 3,807
    Does anyone know the Labour Party rules? Not sure incumbency gets him on the ballot and I think he may need 50 nominations to do so. He could be toast here.
  • felix
    felix Posts: 15,180
    I'm waiting for Corbyn to be supported by TP & Plato on the grounds that he supported Leave really. One of them has been busy hacking away today at the traitorous Ruth Davidson - you know the one who saved the Scottish Tories a few weeks ago. The Brexiters take no prisoners :)
  • RodCrosby
    RodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    Scott_P said:

    @benrileysmith: Two Labour sources: proposal is Angela Eagle runs against Corbyn while Tom Watson oversees as interim leader.

    Cobblers. Corbyn is still the effin' Leader...
  • John_M
    John_M Posts: 7,503
    Scott_P said:

    @gmpolice: Three arrested in connection with a hate incident on a tram in Manchester City Centre. https://t.co/AbpygV4IOQ

    Right, now flog 'em, thereby satisfying all parties across the political spectrum.
  • rcs1000
    rcs1000 Posts: 60,717
    rcs1000 said:

    FPT:

    Paul_Bedfordshire said:

    Amongst all the panic and recriminations here, can someone explain the difference between EEA and EFTA particularily in terms of:

    * Ability to agree bilateral trade deals with non EU states

    * Freedom of movement of people.

    * Annual membership fee.

    * Obligation for domestic sales to have CE marking/follow single market related EU directives.

    * CAP / CF policy.

    Thanks

    You can be a member of EFTA and not the EEA (like Switzerland), but most people use EFTA/EEA to mean membership of the EEA through EFTA.

    * Ability to agree bilateral trade deals with non EU states
    - yes

    * Freedom of movement of people.
    - yes, albeit with more freedom for a state to impose emergency restrictions, and some more flexibiity re benefits and the like.

    * Annual membership fee.
    EFTA/EEA *probably* costs slightly more than straight EFTA. (Hard to know exactly because the Swiss hide part of their fee by allowing the EU to collect customs duties on their behalf.)

    The exact bill is up for negotiation, but would be in the range of £2bn at the low-end to £5bn at the high end. (The high estimate includes a bunch of projects that are not compulsory.)

    * Obligation for domestic sales to have CE marking/follow single market related EU directives.
    Neither has that.

    * CAP / CF policy.
    CAP is easy-peasy, we'd be out.
    CFP is a bit more complicated because the most sensible long-term solution is to recreate the 'box' with Ireland. We'd definitely leave it, but there's probably a long-term negotiation there needed.
    Just to add, re CE marking on electronics - while domestic sales would not require it, the truth is that the vast, vast bulk of products in the world are made to meet CE, FCC, NOM and RCM already. When I was involved in my solar battery project, we decided it was massively cheaper to have a single production line and design, even if it cost 0.8% of gross margin in adhering to all the standards.
  • Jobabob
    Jobabob Posts: 3,807
    Tissue_Price said:

    Pulpstar said:

    DanSmith said:

    He needs 50 to get on the ballot...

    Wasn't it 35 ?
    It's 20% for a challenge, including MEPs - 229+20 = 249. I think he'd struggle to get 50.
    It will be very, very tight.
  • Pulpstar
    Pulpstar Posts: 79,813
    Jobabob said:

    Does anyone know the Labour Party rules? Not sure incumbency gets him on the ballot and I think he may need 50 nominations to do so. He could be toast here.

    Don't the NEC interpret the rules, and isn't that stuffed with Jez placemen ?
  • AndyJS
    AndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Angela Rayner MP says Corbyn can survive this.
  • GeoffM
    GeoffM Posts: 6,071
    edited June 2016
    Meh
  • felix
    felix Posts: 15,180
    Scott_P said:

    @gmpolice: Three arrested in connection with a hate incident on a tram in Manchester City Centre. https://t.co/AbpygV4IOQ

    It didn't happen. It couldn't have happened. A vile 'Remainian' rumour.
  • Scott_P
    Scott_P Posts: 51,453
    edited June 2016
    @GuardianAnushka: Corbyn: "Our people need Labour party members, trade unionists and MPs to unite behind my leadership at a critical time for our country."

    @GuardianAnushka: Corbyn defiant: "I was democratically elected leader of our party for a new kind of politics by 60% of Labour members and supporters...

    @GuardianAnushka: Corbyn: "I will not betray them by resigning."
  • RochdalePioneers
    RochdalePioneers Posts: 30,611
    Jobabob said:

    Does anyone know the Labour Party rules? Not sure incumbency gets him on the ballot and I think he may need 50 nominations to do so. He could be toast here.

    I quoted the rule book earlier. Any challenger needs 20% of MPs (46). The incumbent doesn't need nominations, they are incumbent.
  • John_M
    John_M Posts: 7,503
    felix said:

    I'm waiting for Corbyn to be supported by TP & Plato on the grounds that he supported Leave really. One of them has been busy hacking away today at the traitorous Ruth Davidson - you know the one who saved the Scottish Tories a few weeks ago. The Brexiters take no prisoners :)

    If Corbyn still has the support of the membership, he's essentially politically immortal. They should rename him God-King of the Opposition.
  • GIN1138
    GIN1138 Posts: 22,938
    Scott_P said:

    @GuardianAnushka: Corbyn: "Our people need Labour party members, trade unionists and MPs to unite behind my leadership at a critical time for our country."

    Yes!!!!!!! Jezza's going nowhere! ;)
  • AndyJS
    AndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Scott_P said:

    @benrileysmith: Two Labour sources: proposal is Angela Eagle runs against Corbyn while Tom Watson oversees as interim leader.

    I'm not sure Angela Eagle is leadership material.
  • Toms
    Toms Posts: 2,478
    edited June 2016
    "Diane Abbott: leadership must be decided by party members not MPs"

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/28/diane-abbott-leadership-must-be-decided-by-party-members-not-mps

    It looks like the Labour Party is also suffering hysteria and maybe ought to hold a referendum too.
  • Alistair
    Alistair Posts: 23,670
    felix said:

    TGOHF said:



    Kay Burley@KayBurley 9m9 minutes ago

    BREAK: President of European council, Tusk, tells Sturgeon he's not interested in meeting her tomorrow

    I thought that was very amusing - let's hope she hasn't booked her ticket.
    She's going to see Martin Schulz.
  • Tissue_Price
    Tissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    SimonStClare said:

    eek said:

    stjohn said:

    This article says Corbyn needs 50 to get on the leadership ballot but that can include MEPs.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jeremy-corbyn-labour-leadership-brexit-can-he-stand-for-re-election-vote-of-no-confidence-legal-a7107291.html

    Supposedly he's on the ballot automatically as the reigning leader...
    That is my understanding also - automatically on the list.
    The Labour Party have one set of legal advice. The leadership have another.
  • GIN1138
    GIN1138 Posts: 22,938
    Scott_P said:

    @GuardianAnushka: Corbyn: "Our people need Labour party members, trade unionists and MPs to unite behind my leadership at a critical time for our country."

    @GuardianAnushka: Corbyn defiant: "I was democratically elected leader of our party for a new kind of politics by 60% of Labour members and supporters...

    @GuardianAnushka: Corbyn: "I will not betray them by resigning."

    Yes!!!!!!! Jezza's going nowhere! ;)

  • Morris_Dancer
    Morris_Dancer Posts: 62,742
    Mr. JS, Corbyn can survive. Not sure about Labour, though.

    More seriously, Rome staggered on for quite some time before the coup de grace was finally delivered.
  • AndyJS
    AndyJS Posts: 29,395
    https://twitter.com/GuardianAnushka/status/747820018424025088
  • John_M
    John_M Posts: 7,503
    Alistair said:

    felix said:

    TGOHF said:



    Kay Burley@KayBurley 9m9 minutes ago

    BREAK: President of European council, Tusk, tells Sturgeon he's not interested in meeting her tomorrow

    I thought that was very amusing - let's hope she hasn't booked her ticket.
    She's going to see Martin Schulz.
    The Belgian PM as well, or so I heard this morning.
  • GeoffM
    GeoffM Posts: 6,071
    felix said:

    Scott_P said:

    @gmpolice: Three arrested in connection with a hate incident on a tram in Manchester City Centre. https://t.co/AbpygV4IOQ

    It didn't happen. It couldn't have happened. A vile 'Remainian' rumour.
    This sort of thing never happened before last Thursday.

    There was less dog poo on the streets before the referendum too.
    Have you noticed that as well?
  • stjohn
    stjohn Posts: 1,910
    edited June 2016
    RealBritain said:

    Scott_P said:

    @benrileysmith: Two Labour sources: proposal is Angela Eagle runs against Corbyn while Tom Watson oversees as interim leader.

    Seems odd. Eagle would never win amongst the members.
    I've no idea how Eagle would fare with the Labour membership but Nick P doesn't rate her chances or Watson's against Corbyn but thinks Cooper would make a contest of it.

    It would be crazy of the Labour PLP to go this far and then not field the candidate who has the best chance of beating Corbyn with Labour members. I don't know who that would be but the PLP ought to have a good idea and should get that person to stand.
  • Artist
    Artist Posts: 1,893
    Voting for him in this vote of confidence also doesn't mean they'd nominate him. A few are probably those Labour MPs who just don't feel like this is the right time when the country is in its current state.
  • GIN1138
    GIN1138 Posts: 22,938
    Alistair said:

    felix said:

    TGOHF said:



    Kay Burley@KayBurley 9m9 minutes ago

    BREAK: President of European council, Tusk, tells Sturgeon he's not interested in meeting her tomorrow

    I thought that was very amusing - let's hope she hasn't booked her ticket.
    She's going to see Martin Schulz.
    That'll be nice for her...
  • Pulpstar
    Pulpstar Posts: 79,813
    I hope the 172 get deselected.

    Kick their ass Jeremy.
  • SimonStClare
    SimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    edited June 2016
    Anushka Asthana - Corbyn refuses to resign, saying no confidence vote has 'no constitutional legitimacy'


  • eek
    eek Posts: 30,707
    felix said:

    Scott_P said:

    @gmpolice: Three arrested in connection with a hate incident on a tram in Manchester City Centre. https://t.co/AbpygV4IOQ

    It didn't happen. It couldn't have happened. A vile 'Remainian' rumour.
    so the video was staged?
  • RochdalePioneers
    RochdalePioneers Posts: 30,611
    Tissue_Price said:

    SimonStClare said:

    eek said:

    stjohn said:

    This article says Corbyn needs 50 to get on the leadership ballot but that can include MEPs.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jeremy-corbyn-labour-leadership-brexit-can-he-stand-for-re-election-vote-of-no-confidence-legal-a7107291.html

    Supposedly he's on the ballot automatically as the reigning leader...
    That is my understanding also - automatically on the list.
    The Labour Party have one set of legal advice. The leadership have another.
    Both have the rule book. Its explicit and absolute*

    *As any party official will tell you it is usually neither. However in this case the rule book is very clear
  • Paul_Bedfordshire
    Paul_Bedfordshire Posts: 3,632
    edited June 2016
    rcs1000 said:

    FPT:

    Paul_Bedfordshire said:

    Amongst all the panic and recriminations here, can someone explain the difference between EEA and EFTA particularily in terms of:

    * Ability to agree bilateral trade deals with non EU states

    * Freedom of movement of people.

    * Annual membership fee.

    * Obligation for domestic sales to have CE marking/follow single market related EU directives.

    * CAP / CF policy.

    Thanks

    You can be a member of EFTA and not the EEA (like Switzerland), but most people use EFTA/EEA to mean membership of the EEA through EFTA.

    * Ability to agree bilateral trade deals with non EU states
    - yes

    * Freedom of movement of people.
    - yes, albeit with more freedom for a state to impose emergency restrictions, and some more flexibiity re benefits and the like.

    * Annual membership fee.
    EFTA/EEA *probably* costs slightly more than straight EFTA. (Hard to know exactly because the Swiss hide part of their fee by allowing the EU to collect customs duties on their behalf.)

    The exact bill is up for negotiation, but would be in the range of £2bn at the low-end to £5bn at the high end. (The high estimate includes a bunch of projects that are not compulsory.)

    * Obligation for domestic sales to have CE marking/follow single market related EU directives.
    Neither has that.

    * CAP / CF policy.
    CAP is easy-peasy, we'd be out.
    CFP is a bit more complicated because the most sensible long-term solution is to recreate the 'box' with Ireland. We'd definitely leave it, but there's probably a long-term negotiation there needed.
    Either looks like a no brainer.

    We didnt have a referendum on leaving the single market, so gov can legitimately agree this.

    Re Immigration. Looks like the extra powers, while something of a figleaf are enough for May to get away with it without another plebiscite.

    So Tories get the free trade, no more ECJ crap and a bit more control on immigration.

    Labour supporters dont get a massive clampdown on immigration and will defect to UKIP shafting labour but tough, govt never offered an immigration referendum. Win win for Tories.

    Labour should have used this moment to unite and destroy the tories forcing an early election, instead they behave like something out of monty python and May can choose her moment after joining EFTA and getting some trade deals with Labour in Chaos and UKIP on their case in the north.

    Many thanks Robert
  • PeterC
    PeterC Posts: 1,275
    Jobabob said:

    @Morris_Dancer

    London ALREADY IS devolved. We have been through this before. Khan is simply asking for extra powers, most of which I'll be will be centred around FOM and City passporting.

    It has sod all to do with an English Parliament or a Yorkshire Parliament and everything to do with England taking leave of its senses and trying to pull the jewel in the EU's crown out of the EU against its wishes.

    London is not a state. It cannot therefore enter international treaties independently of the UK. Ditto Scotland. Sturgeon is talking nonsense.
  • GeoffM
    GeoffM Posts: 6,071
    AndyJS said:

    Scott_P said:

    @benrileysmith: Two Labour sources: proposal is Angela Eagle runs against Corbyn while Tom Watson oversees as interim leader.

    I'm not sure Angela Eagle is leadership material.
    I completely agree - she'd be utterly useless.

    Which is why I voted for her in the YouGov poll of potential successors.
  • Richard_Nabavi
    Richard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    TGOHF said:

    Faisal Islam ‏@faisalislam 3m3 minutes ago

    Confirmed result from labour no confidence motion

    172 for
    40 against
    4 spoilt ballots
    13 didn't vote

    I'd like to see those spoilt ballots!
  • nunu
    nunu Posts: 6,024
    GIN1138 said:

    TGOHF said:



    Kay Burley@KayBurley 9m9 minutes ago

    BREAK: President of European council, Tusk, tells Sturgeon he's not interested in meeting her tomorrow

    NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    The eurocrats can't snub lovely Nicola like this! :(
    They see Scotland as a region of the U.K not a country.
  • RodCrosby
    RodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    edited June 2016
    16.54 Corbyn refuses to stand down, saying “I will not betray members by resigning”
  • John_M
    John_M Posts: 7,503
    eek said:

    felix said:

    Scott_P said:

    @gmpolice: Three arrested in connection with a hate incident on a tram in Manchester City Centre. https://t.co/AbpygV4IOQ

    It didn't happen. It couldn't have happened. A vile 'Remainian' rumour.
    so the video was staged?
    Felix likes pretend arguments. Young men being arseholes apparently unknown in the UK before June 23rd.

    Look for a new pretendy Felix argument coming to a site near you soon!
  • Paul_Bedfordshire
    Paul_Bedfordshire Posts: 3,632
    The real question I guess is whether places like Poland and RoI also switch to EFTA once we join.
  • AndyJS
    AndyJS Posts: 29,395
    BBC — Boris won't call general election if he becomes Tory leader.
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