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At 11:36pm on June 23rd, just before the first result was declared, the market was just short of 90% confident of a Remain vote. So much for markets knowing best – the market was wrong, and staggeringly confident in its wrongness.
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I won't be first, but apparently its Crabb for the leadership and Javid for CX.0
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The most profitable betting evening of my life (so far). SpreadEx has sent me a cheque, and tomorrow I shall bank it
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This reminds me that someone on here, I'm pretty sure it was Tissue_Price, remarked early on (just after Sunderland, I think) that the greatest value might come when Leave was 2.5 in the betting but 1.3 in reality. So it proved and keeping that advice in mind made me an extra 3k on top of what I had, so many thanks. Really shrewd comment.0
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As in, that's the Remain ticket?AramintaMoonbeamQC said:I won't be first, but apparently its Crabb for the leadership and Javid for CX.
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Leadsom was distinctly unimpressive in the Wembly debate, workmanlike but robotic and outshone by Stuart and Johnson. Unless Crabb reveals some very interesting ideas and surprising charisma he's coming from nowhere to challenge the big hitters. I'm not sure May truly wants it enough to beat Boris.MikeL said:Crabb now in to 3rd fav.
Fox drifting - starting to look like 4 horse race:
Boris and May; with Crabb and Leadsom as outsiders.0 -
England ha ha haha haha haha haha
Putting the shite, into football since 1966.0 -
I was backing Leave heavily after Sunderland.
So profitable.
Thank you for this Michael0 -
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And yet, when I hear Gerry Armstrong doing a Northern Ireland game I really want them to win? Doesn't work with Robbie Savage and Wales, mind.Lowlander said:
I have a theory that if England games had commentaries by Scots in Scotland, etc, then people in the other home nations would be much, much more favourable towards England.tlg86 said:
I feel envious of the other home nations for whom being at the tournament is a big thing. Tyldesley just over does his commentary.Lowlander said:A genuine question.
Do English people get embarrassed by the commentaries on England games?
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Doesn't Crabb have the backing of Cameron? That's the feeling I get.kle4 said:
Leadsom was distinctly unimpressive in the Wembly debate, workmanlike but robotic and outshone by Stuart and Johnson. Unless Crabb reveals some very interesting ideas and surprising charisma he's coming from nowhere to challenge the big hitters. I'm not sure May truly wants it enough to beat Boris.MikeL said:Crabb now in to 3rd fav.
Fox drifting - starting to look like 4 horse race:
Boris and May; with Crabb and Leadsom as outsiders.0 -
Because there is a pragmatism from commentators in most of the home nattions. Savage is very much from the English school of "its all biased against us, every foul should be a red card". Scotland games (even against minnows) do not go in saying "we'll win this".tlg86 said:
And yet, when I hear Gerry Armstrong doing a Northern Ireland game I really want them to win? Doesn't work with Robbie Savage and Wales, mind.Lowlander said:
I have a theory that if England games had commentaries by Scots in Scotland, etc, then people in the other home nations would be much, much more favourable towards England.tlg86 said:
I feel envious of the other home nations for whom being at the tournament is a big thing. Tyldesley just over does his commentary.Lowlander said:A genuine question.
Do English people get embarrassed by the commentaries on England games?
Savage on the Wales games sounded just like the English commentators and pundits do on England games. Armstrong sounded the way you would want a commentator to sound. Hopeful but not arrogant.0 -
I hadn't realised so much was staked on that final day. £63m, wow!0
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What are they thinking? While complete and utter non-entities like Crabb and Javid are messing around we're delaying the chance of getting a new leader and Chancellor in place as soon as possible.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:I won't be first, but apparently its Crabb for the leadership and Javid for CX.
We all know its going to be Theresa and Boris in the final two so lets just get on with it.0 -
Looking forward to waking from this nightmare to see how the Brexit vote has gone. It is all a dream isn't it...0
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Anyone seriously think Corbyn can win against Crabb and Javid? The optics alone!!!0
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Well, its one of them. Would expect May to stand, but might not fancy it.Freggles said:
As in, that's the Remain ticket?AramintaMoonbeamQC said:I won't be first, but apparently its Crabb for the leadership and Javid for CX.
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Because Tories always back the favourite?GIN1138 said:
What are they thinking? While complete and utter non-entities like Crabb and Javid are messing around we're delaying the chance of getting a new leader and Chancellor in place as soon as possible.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:I won't be first, but apparently its Crabb for the leadership and Javid for CX.
We all know its going to be Theresa and Boris in the final two so lets just get on with it.
But yeah it is hard to see, in a short campaign, on the back of Boris' EUref victory, how new faces get in the final 2.0 -
I presume Vardy is coming on cos my Cash Out just went down.0
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Talking of upsets the world 777 has beaten 54 in first round of Wimbledon.0
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He needs more than that to beat Boris, what else does he have going for him? We'll see I guess. May's still the best bet to avoid a Boris win I think.CornishBlue said:
Doesn't Crabb have the backing of Cameron? That's the feeling I get.kle4 said:
Leadsom was distinctly unimpressive in the Wembly debate, workmanlike but robotic and outshone by Stuart and Johnson. Unless Crabb reveals some very interesting ideas and surprising charisma he's coming from nowhere to challenge the big hitters. I'm not sure May truly wants it enough to beat Boris.MikeL said:Crabb now in to 3rd fav.
Fox drifting - starting to look like 4 horse race:
Boris and May; with Crabb and Leadsom as outsiders.0 -
At least Javid has a background in economics.0
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Jack Wilshire on....Dier off.0
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Wilshere????????? Feck me0
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Can this week get any more embarrassing?Scrapheap_as_was said:Looking forward to waking from this nightmare to see how the Brexit vote has gone. It is all a dream isn't it...
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Someone sedate Scrapheap
Wilshire on for Dier0 -
This has not been a great few days.0
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Dire off, Wheelchair on.0
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At least Spain's team used to do similarly poorly in international competition compared to their league and support. Now we don't even have that comfort.SeanT said:
I've completely emotionally disinvested from English national football. They've been so mediocre for so long they just bore me, now, and I NEVER anticipate a victoryLowlander said:
Because there is a pragmatism from commentators in most of the home nattions. Savage is very much from the English school of "its all biased against us, every foul should be a red card". Scotland games (even against minnows) do not go in saying "we'll win this".tlg86 said:
And yet, when I hear Gerry Armstrong doing a Northern Ireland game I really want them to win? Doesn't work with Robbie Savage and Wales, mind.Lowlander said:
I have a theory that if England games had commentaries by Scots in Scotland, etc, then people in the other home nations would be much, much more favourable towards England.tlg86 said:
I feel envious of the other home nations for whom being at the tournament is a big thing. Tyldesley just over does his commentary.Lowlander said:A genuine question.
Do English people get embarrassed by the commentaries on England games?
Savage on the Wales games sounded just like the English commentators and pundits do on England games. Armstrong sounded the way you would want a commentator to sound. Hopeful but not arrogant.
It is odd tho. How a country with so many players and so much money and such a strong domestic culture could be SO crap for SO long, barely troubling semi finals in 40 years.
It is a statistical anomaly.
Is 1996 the best we've done in a long long time? Christ, I was still at primary school when that happened!0 -
Perhaps the way the English media deal with them might be counter-productive?SeanT said:
I've completely emotionally disinvested from English national football. They've been so mediocre for so long they just bore me, now, and I NEVER anticipate a victory
It is odd tho. How a country with so many players and so much money and such a strong domestic culture could be SO crap for SO long, barely troubling semi finals in 40 years.
It is a statistical anomaly.
It must be quite hard to really give it all in training with all the press saying you're about to walk your next game and win the tournament.0 -
Hodgson plays him out of position, and Rooney dislikes him as an upstart. When you are too chavvy for Rooney...Lowlander said:I presume Vardy has come on cos my Cash Out just went down.
What is the possible question that Wilshire is the answer to?0 -
Why would the England commentary be embarrassing? Has anyone heard the Iceland commentary when they scored?0
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Why not lalana? Wilshire looks about as match fit as Eric pickles.0
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Is WIlshire replacing Dier at full back? BEcause they are playing a very fast counter-attacking team.
That's not the best call.0 -
Do the press say that? I feel like this supposed arrogance of the English press and team totally slip by me every time.Lowlander said:
Perhaps the way the English media deal with them might be counter-productive?SeanT said:
I've completely emotionally disinvested from English national football. They've been so mediocre for so long they just bore me, now, and I NEVER anticipate a victory
It is odd tho. How a country with so many players and so much money and such a strong domestic culture could be SO crap for SO long, barely troubling semi finals in 40 years.
It is a statistical anomaly.
It must be quite hard to really give it all in training with all the press saying you're about to walk your next game and win the tournament.0 -
We lose this,we might has well give football up.0
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By the looks of it, England will truly be out of Europe by tomorrow!
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rcs1000 said:
The most profitable betting evening of my life (so far). SpreadEx has sent me a cheque, and tomorrow I shall bank it
Wanderer said:This reminds me that someone on here, I'm pretty sure it was Tissue_Price, remarked early on (just after Sunderland, I think) that the greatest value might come when Leave was 2.5 in the betting but 1.3 in reality. So it proved and keeping that advice in mind made me an extra 3k on top of what I had, so many thanks. Really shrewd comment.
Dicks on tables...TheScreamingEagles said:I was backing Leave heavily after Sunderland.
So profitable.
Thank you for this Michael0 -
Well jermaine pennant thinks after brexit we can't play in the euros anyway.Tykejohnno said:We lose this,we might has well give football up.
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Boris will be saying we should try Aussie rules instead nextTykejohnno said:We lose this,we might has well give football up.
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This is a embarrassment.0
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Yes... fecking wilshere is on....midwinter said:
Can this week get any more embarrassing?Scrapheap_as_was said:Looking forward to waking from this nightmare to see how the Brexit vote has gone. It is all a dream isn't it...
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It would be comparable to when Greece lost to the Faroe Islands.Tykejohnno said:We lose this,we might has well give football up.
What happened to Greece's economy after that?0 -
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They're far too comfortable, earning massive sums for mediocre performances. They're very much like British tennis they don't have to do well to have a decent income, they are insulated by the money sloshing through the system.SeanT said:
I've completely emotionally disinvested from English national football. They've been so mediocre for so long they just bore me, now, and I NEVER anticipate a victoryLowlander said:
Because there is a pragmatism from commentators in most of the home nattions. Savage is very much from the English school of "its all biased against us, every foul should be a red card". Scotland games (even against minnows) do not go in saying "we'll win this".tlg86 said:
And yet, when I hear Gerry Armstrong doing a Northern Ireland game I really want them to win? Doesn't work with Robbie Savage and Wales, mind.Lowlander said:
I have a theory that if England games had commentaries by Scots in Scotland, etc, then people in the other home nations would be much, much more favourable towards England.tlg86 said:
I feel envious of the other home nations for whom being at the tournament is a big thing. Tyldesley just over does his commentary.Lowlander said:A genuine question.
Do English people get embarrassed by the commentaries on England games?
Savage on the Wales games sounded just like the English commentators and pundits do on England games. Armstrong sounded the way you would want a commentator to sound. Hopeful but not arrogant.
It is odd tho. How a country with so many players and so much money and such a strong domestic culture could be SO crap for SO long, barely troubling semi finals in 40 years.
It is a statistical anomaly.
When they come across players who actually need to do well, they're embarrassed.0 -
Apparently 7,000 new Lib Dem members since Friday - running at one a minute. Including Clare Gerada former Chair of Royal College of GPs, who's left Labour0
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Why does Hodgson have Kane taking free kicks from out wide? It makes absolutely no sense.0
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In 2001 it was Portillo vs Clarke. In 2005 it was Davis vs Fox. In 1997 it was Clarke vs Howard. In 1990 it was Heseltine or Hurd. In all of those cases none of them ended up winning. Only in 2005 was the campaign significantly longer than this one will be.GIN1138 said:
What are they thinking? While complete and utter non-entities like Crabb and Javid are messing around we're delaying the chance of getting a new leader and Chancellor in place as soon as possible.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:I won't be first, but apparently its Crabb for the leadership and Javid for CX.
We all know its going to be Theresa and Boris in the final two so lets just get on with it.
If Crabb and Leadsom stand, there is value in betting on Boris to go out in the first round. He will certainly be struggling to make the final two.
Crabb is clearly a value bet. That's not to say he will win, merely that it would be very foolish to write him off.0 -
You have to deduce that all the other multimillionaire footballers are so crap at taking that Kane is our only option.SouthamObserver said:Why does Hodgson have Kane taking free kicks from out wide? It makes absolutely no sense.
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Not really. Unless you've been watching the build up to the game and listening to the commentary.Tykejohnno said:This is a embarrassment.
Iceland have a rock solid defence with an extremely good, fast counter-attacking (and goalscoring) attack. They won their Qualifying Group and were very close to winning their First Round Group.
They are a very good, well managed side with just enough talent to make an exceptionally good system work. In other words, they are Leicester City.0 -
When did we start diving?0
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"Gibraltar in talks with Scotland to stay in EU"
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Surely this would rank as the worst defeat in terms of rankings divide in the history of the Euros?
If this was cricket the bookies wouldn't be paying out, citing a betting fix...0 -
How many of the outright Leave candidates might be vulnerable to a Bregetter swing in their own constituencies? None of them are not tainted by the lies of the campaign.ydoethur said:
In 2001 it was Portillo vs Clarke. In 2005 it was Davis vs Fox. In 1997 it was Clarke vs Howard. In 1990 it was Heseltine or Hurd. Only in 2005 was the campaign significantly longer than this one will be.GIN1138 said:
What are they thinking? While complete and utter non-entities like Crabb and Javid are messing around we're delaying the chance of getting a new leader and Chancellor in place as soon as possible.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:I won't be first, but apparently its Crabb for the leadership and Javid for CX.
We all know its going to be Theresa and Boris in the final two so lets just get on with it.
If Crabb and Leadsom stand, there is value in betting on Boris to go out in the first round. He will certainly be struggling to make the final two.0 -
TheKrakenAwakes said:
Apparently 7,000 new Lib Dem members since Friday - running at one a minute. Including Clare Gerada former Chair of Royal College of GPs, who's left Labour
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"Gibraltar is Scottish"AndyJS said:"Gibraltar in talks with Scotland to stay in EU"
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Hodgson's problem boils down to having no idea who his best term are.
Or whether they are even in France.0 -
I look at the English players,no confidence,no passion.0
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To be fair at least there is a comforting familiarity to England being poor at football0
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Iceland bicycle kick in the box? Now they are just taking the piss...0
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Iceland are still 2.4 on Betfair to win the match.0
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And trying to ram square pegs in round holes.MarqueeMark said:Hodgson's problem boils down to having no idea who his best term are.
Or whether they are even in France.0 -
Bloody foreign snowboaters....MarqueeMark said:Iceland bicycle kick in the box? Now they are just taking the piss...
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And another one
BREAKING: Fitch downgrades U.K. credit rating to 'AA' from 'AA+' on Brexit vote0 -
I've got £10 on Leadsom @ 16/1.ydoethur said:
In 2001 it was Portillo vs Clarke. In 2005 it was Davis vs Fox. In 1997 it was Clarke vs Howard. In 1990 it was Heseltine or Hurd. In all of those cases none of them ended up winning. Only in 2005 was the campaign significantly longer than this one will be.GIN1138 said:
What are they thinking? While complete and utter non-entities like Crabb and Javid are messing around we're delaying the chance of getting a new leader and Chancellor in place as soon as possible.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:I won't be first, but apparently its Crabb for the leadership and Javid for CX.
We all know its going to be Theresa and Boris in the final two so lets just get on with it.
If Crabb and Leadsom stand, there is value in betting on Boris to go out in the first round. He will certainly be struggling to make the final two.
Crabb is clearly a value bet. That's not to say he will win, merely that it would be very foolish to write him off.
I think there has to be at least one Leave option in the final two, if not both, and she and Mr Johnson are the best known.0 -
It was me, but it was before the polls closed:Wanderer said:This reminds me that someone on here, I'm pretty sure it was Tissue_Price, remarked early on (just after Sunderland, I think) that the greatest value might come when Leave was 2.5 in the betting but 1.3 in reality. So it proved and keeping that advice in mind made me an extra 3k on top of what I had, so many thanks. Really shrewd comment.
Tissue_Price said:
If Leave win Sunderland handily you might be able to get 2.5 about a 1.3 shot.DanSmith said:
Peak value must be now, if they do have a shot word will soon spread from the counts.Tissue_Price said:8.4 may be value on Leave [feels big to me but others may have more info], but there'll almost certainly be greater value later if they're actually in with a shot.
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This is making Brazil WC performances look good.0
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Oh the humanity!TheScreamingEagles said:And another one
BREAKING: Fitch downgrades U.K. credit rating to 'AA' from 'AA+' on Brexit vote0 -
Ugh, Vardy.
Cash out or stick?0 -
lol!Lowlander said:
"Gibraltar is Scottish"AndyJS said:"Gibraltar in talks with Scotland to stay in EU"
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Key point to remember is that Boris is a weak candidate. He's divisive, incompetent (eight years of running London rather ineptly) dishonest and also has been pretty unpleasant all the way through the campaign. Looking at the way the votes fell there is clearly an argument to be made that Leave won despite him not because of him.williamglenn said:
How many of the outright Leave candidates might be vulnerable to a Bregetter swing in their own constituencies? None of them are not tainted by the lies of the campaign.ydoethur said:
In 2001 it was Portillo vs Clarke. In 2005 it was Davis vs Fox. In 1997 it was Clarke vs Howard. In 1990 it was Heseltine or Hurd. Only in 2005 was the campaign significantly longer than this one will be.GIN1138 said:
What are they thinking? While complete and utter non-entities like Crabb and Javid are messing around we're delaying the chance of getting a new leader and Chancellor in place as soon as possible.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:I won't be first, but apparently its Crabb for the leadership and Javid for CX.
We all know its going to be Theresa and Boris in the final two so lets just get on with it.
If Crabb and Leadsom stand, there is value in betting on Boris to go out in the first round. He will certainly be struggling to make the final two.
A low-key remainer loudly accepting the result might find it easier to reunite the party and the country and is less likely to make a dog's dinner of exit negotiations or anything else. Moreover with Labour in such desperate straits there is no political need for a showman or a safe candidate. A punt may be taken
My hunch is May will probably get it, but if Crabb stands it would not be surprising to see him make the runoff.0 -
Aside from the charisma deficit, I don't think his investment-banking history is going to endear him to the Great British Public. I actually think it undermines his "son of an immigrant bus driver" narrative. Which on the one hand is a wee bit unfair: investment bankers tend to be smart, driven and work their arses off, so perhaps do not deserve the total disdain and opprobrium reserved for them, and the fact he got to that position from where he started out in life is a considerable achievement. On the more important hand, it's not really unfair because having a great childhood and ethnic backstory is out of your hands anyway, so it's not clear why anyone really deserves to benefit from it. (Patronising and illogical isn't it, "your parents were Pakistani - well done!" or "you grew up on a council estate - therefore I'll vote for you!" ... and as for "I can't vote for you, your parents were rich and sent you to Eton", well it ain't the kid's fault, is it?)Gallowgate said:At least Javid has a background in economics.
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And the winner was British. Probably even English.FrancisUrquhart said:Talking of upsets the world 777 has beaten 54 in first round of Wimbledon.
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Fitch downgrades UK...0
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Le Monde speculating that Brexit might not happen.
http://www.lemonde.fr/referendum-sur-le-brexit/article/2016/06/27/royaume-uni-le-brexit-peut-il-ne-pas-se-produire_4959221_4872498.html0 -
Auto correct of the dayFrancisUrquhart said:
Bloody foreign snowboaters....MarqueeMark said:Iceland bicycle kick in the box? Now they are just taking the piss...
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Part of the problem with UK football is that the premier league is stuffed with foreign players because EU rules mean free movement for them so its easier for the clubs to import players than bring on good youths which in turn means the national side suffers.SeanT said:
I've completely emotionally disinvested from English national football. They've been so mediocre for so long they just bore me, now, and I NEVER anticipate a victoryLowlander said:
Because there is a pragmatism from commentators in most of the home nattions. Savage is very much from the English school of "its all biased against us, every foul should be a red card". Scotland games (even against minnows) do not go in saying "we'll win this".tlg86 said:
And yet, when I hear Gerry Armstrong doing a Northern Ireland game I really want them to win? Doesn't work with Robbie Savage and Wales, mind.Lowlander said:
I have a theory that if England games had commentaries by Scots in Scotland, etc, then people in the other home nations would be much, much more favourable towards England.tlg86 said:
I feel envious of the other home nations for whom being at the tournament is a big thing. Tyldesley just over does his commentary.Lowlander said:A genuine question.
Do English people get embarrassed by the commentaries on England games?
Savage on the Wales games sounded just like the English commentators and pundits do on England games. Armstrong sounded the way you would want a commentator to sound. Hopeful but not arrogant.
It is odd tho. How a country with so many players and so much money and such a strong domestic culture could be SO crap for SO long, barely troubling semi finals in 40 years.
It is a statistical anomaly.
Cricket faced a similar problem and solved it by banning first class teams from having more than one overseas player per team which worked because few overseas cricket players had EU passports.
So leaving the EU may do wonders for the national side in a few years.0 -
I would love to say it wasn't...but it was bloody SwiftKey!saddened said:
Auto correct of the dayFrancisUrquhart said:
Bloody foreign snowboaters....MarqueeMark said:Iceland bicycle kick in the box? Now they are just taking the piss...
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Seems a fair bet for the final two if she stands. She is certainly a plausible candidate and if the Leavers coalesce around one candidate she might be a way of saving their blushes.anotherDave said:
I've got £10 on Leadsom @ 16/1.ydoethur said:
In 2001 it was Portillo vs Clarke. In 2005 it was Davis vs Fox. In 1997 it was Clarke vs Howard. In 1990 it was Heseltine or Hurd. In all of those cases none of them ended up winning. Only in 2005 was the campaign significantly longer than this one will be.GIN1138 said:
What are they thinking? While complete and utter non-entities like Crabb and Javid are messing around we're delaying the chance of getting a new leader and Chancellor in place as soon as possible.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:I won't be first, but apparently its Crabb for the leadership and Javid for CX.
We all know its going to be Theresa and Boris in the final two so lets just get on with it.
If Crabb and Leadsom stand, there is value in betting on Boris to go out in the first round. He will certainly be struggling to make the final two.
Crabb is clearly a value bet. That's not to say he will win, merely that it would be very foolish to write him off.
I think there has to be at least one Leave option in the final two, if not both, and she and Mr Johnson are the best known.
I just can't see her beating Theresa May or any other ranking Cabinet minister.0 -
So we risk getting a completely unknown, untested and unelected novice in place to make decisions that will have existential consequences for our nation.ydoethur said:My hunch is May will probably get it, but if Crabb stands it would not be surprising to see him make the runoff.
It's no way to run a country.0 -
I feel for Vardy playing in such a crap team vs his usual one.
It's like watching Arsenal.0 -
While I will be more than happy to see the end of PL clubs stockpiling foreign youngsters, I'm not sure it will make a jot of difference to the England team.Paul_Bedfordshire said:
Part of the problem with UK football is that the premier league is stuffed with foreign players because EU rules mean free movement for them so its easier for the clubs to import players than bring on good youths which in turn means the national side suffers.SeanT said:
I've completely emotionally disinvested from English national football. They've been so mediocre for so long they just bore me, now, and I NEVER anticipate a victoryLowlander said:
Because there is a pragmatism from commentators in most of the home nattions. Savage is very much from the English school of "its all biased against us, every foul should be a red card". Scotland games (even against minnows) do not go in saying "we'll win this".tlg86 said:
And yet, when I hear Gerry Armstrong doing a Northern Ireland game I really want them to win? Doesn't work with Robbie Savage and Wales, mind.Lowlander said:
I have a theory that if England games had commentaries by Scots in Scotland, etc, then people in the other home nations would be much, much more favourable towards England.tlg86 said:
I feel envious of the other home nations for whom being at the tournament is a big thing. Tyldesley just over does his commentary.Lowlander said:A genuine question.
Do English people get embarrassed by the commentaries on England games?
Savage on the Wales games sounded just like the English commentators and pundits do on England games. Armstrong sounded the way you would want a commentator to sound. Hopeful but not arrogant.
It is odd tho. How a country with so many players and so much money and such a strong domestic culture could be SO crap for SO long, barely troubling semi finals in 40 years.
It is a statistical anomaly.
Cricket faced a similar problem and solved it by banning first class teams from having more than one overseas player per team which worked because few overseas cricket players had EU passports.
So leaving the EU may do wonders for the national side in a few years.0 -
I don't know if other people saw this the other night, but the Iceland white strip is identical to the kit from Escape To Victory. You've got to love them for that alone....0
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Iceland still above evens for the match on Betfair0
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They will soon run out of phoneboxes to meet inTheKrakenAwakes said:Apparently 7,000 new Lib Dem members since Friday - running at one a minute. Including Clare Gerada former Chair of Royal College of GPs, who's left Labour
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If the fans were witty enough, "It's like watching Brazil!" would be getting sung out there.FrancisUrquhart said:This is making Brazil WC performances look good.
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No, but the other way hasn't exactly worked either.williamglenn said:
So we risk getting a completely unknown, untested and unelected novice in place to make decisions that will have existential consequences for our nation.ydoethur said:My hunch is May will probably get it, but if Crabb stands it would not be surprising to see him make the runoff.
It's no way to run a country.
And Boris' problem is that we all know what he's capable of - showmanship and vacuity. He's Gordon with a sense of humour and a silly haircut. Better anyone than him.0 -
"England have twin priorities."
Winning and, um, winning surely?0 -
Straw in the wind but most of the prominent Tory Leave MPs were greeted with silent, cold and sullen hostility by their colleagues when putting questions to Cameron in the Commons this afternoon.ydoethur said:
Key point to remember is that Boris is a weak candidate. He's divisive, incompetent (eight years of running London rather ineptly) dishonest and also has been pretty unpleasant all the way through the campaign. Looking at the way the votes fell there is clearly an argument to be made that Leave won despite him not because of him.williamglenn said:
How many of the outright Leave candidates might be vulnerable to a Bregetter swing in their own constituencies? None of them are not tainted by the lies of the campaign.ydoethur said:
In 2001 it was Portillo vs Clarke. In 2005 it was Davis vs Fox. In 1997 it was Clarke vs Howard. In 1990 it was Heseltine or Hurd. Only in 2005 was the campaign significantly longer than this one will be.GIN1138 said:
What are they thinking? While complete and utter non-entities like Crabb and Javid are messing around we're delaying the chance of getting a new leader and Chancellor in place as soon as possible.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:I won't be first, but apparently its Crabb for the leadership and Javid for CX.
We all know its going to be Theresa and Boris in the final two so lets just get on with it.
If Crabb and Leadsom stand, there is value in betting on Boris to go out in the first round. He will certainly be struggling to make the final two.
A low-key remainer loudly accepting the result might find it easier to reunite the party and the country and is less likely to make a dog's dinner of exit negotiations or anything else. Moreover with Labour in such desperate straits there is no political need for a showman or a safe candidate. A punt may be taken
My hunch is May will probably get it, but if Crabb stands it would not be surprising to see him make the runoff.0 -
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When we leave the EU, our football will improve automagically.SeanT said:
I've completely emotionally disinvested from English national football. They've been so mediocre for so long they just bore me, now, and I NEVER anticipate a victoryLowlander said:
Because there is a pragmatism from commentators in most of the home nattions. Savage is very much from the English school of "its all biased against us, every foul should be a red card". Scotland games (even against minnows) do not go in saying "we'll win this".tlg86 said:
And yet, when I hear Gerry Armstrong doing a Northern Ireland game I really want them to win? Doesn't work with Robbie Savage and Wales, mind.Lowlander said:
I have a theory that if England games had commentaries by Scots in Scotland, etc, then people in the other home nations would be much, much more favourable towards England.tlg86 said:
I feel envious of the other home nations for whom being at the tournament is a big thing. Tyldesley just over does his commentary.Lowlander said:A genuine question.
Do English people get embarrassed by the commentaries on England games?
Savage on the Wales games sounded just like the English commentators and pundits do on England games. Armstrong sounded the way you would want a commentator to sound. Hopeful but not arrogant.
It is odd tho. How a country with so many players and so much money and such a strong domestic culture could be SO crap for SO long, barely troubling semi finals in 40 years.
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I think you mean reverential awe. They sound alike.JohnO said:
Straw in the wind but most of the prominent Tory Leave MPs were greeted with silent, cold and sullen hostility by their colleagues when putting questions to Cameron in the Commons this afternoon.ydoethur said:
Key point to remember is that Boris is a weak candidate. He's divisive, incompetent (eight years of running London rather ineptly) dishonest and also has been pretty unpleasant all the way through the campaign. Looking at the way the votes fell there is clearly an argument to be made that Leave won despite him not because of him.williamglenn said:
How many of the outright Leave candidates might be vulnerable to a Bregetter swing in their own constituencies? None of them are not tainted by the lies of the campaign.ydoethur said:
In 2001 it was Portillo vs Clarke. In 2005 it was Davis vs Fox. In 1997 it was Clarke vs Howard. In 1990 it was Heseltine or Hurd. Only in 2005 was the campaign significantly longer than this one will be.GIN1138 said:
What are they thinking? While complete and utter non-entities like Crabb and Javid are messing around we're delaying the chance of getting a new leader and Chancellor in place as soon as possible.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:I won't be first, but apparently its Crabb for the leadership and Javid for CX.
We all know its going to be Theresa and Boris in the final two so lets just get on with it.
If Crabb and Leadsom stand, there is value in betting on Boris to go out in the first round. He will certainly be struggling to make the final two.
A low-key remainer loudly accepting the result might find it easier to reunite the party and the country and is less likely to make a dog's dinner of exit negotiations or anything else. Moreover with Labour in such desperate straits there is no political need for a showman or a safe candidate. A punt may be taken
My hunch is May will probably get it, but if Crabb stands it would not be surprising to see him make the runoff.
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Not as bad as Rooney! He is supposed to be playing in that creative role where he is calm and collected on the ball looking for the killer pass & tonight 9/10 it has bobbled off him or his pass has been delivered at awkward pace / height.chestnut said:Kane has been absolutely awful, yet again.
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Wilshire was a great addition to the England team.
For my bet.0 -
Rooney, you are a fucking embarrassment....0
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Awful attempt on goal, again.0
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Wales vs Iceland in the final?0
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Alistair Campbell had it right yesterday when he said that when you see Cameron on the world stage you feel a bit of pride that he's the PM ...could you say the same about Boris?ydoethur said:
No, but the other way hasn't exactly worked either.williamglenn said:
So we risk getting a completely unknown, untested and unelected novice in place to make decisions that will have existential consequences for our nation.ydoethur said:My hunch is May will probably get it, but if Crabb stands it would not be surprising to see him make the runoff.
It's no way to run a country.
And Boris' problem is that we all know what he's capable of - showmanship and vacuity. He's Gordon with a sense of humour and a silly haircut. Better anyone than him.0 -
I think the winner has to a Leave MP. If the membership couldn't stomach Ken Clarke over IDS, they've surely got to back the Leave candidate.ydoethur said:
Seems a fair bet for the final two if she stands. She is certainly a plausible candidate and if the Leavers coalesce around one candidate she might be a way of saving their blushes.anotherDave said:
I've got £10 on Leadsom @ 16/1.ydoethur said:
In 2001 it was Portillo vs Clarke. In 2005 it was Davis vs Fox. In 1997 it was Clarke vs Howard. In 1990 it was Heseltine or Hurd. In all of those cases none of them ended up winning. Only in 2005 was the campaign significantly longer than this one will be.GIN1138 said:
What are they thinking? While complete and utter non-entities like Crabb and Javid are messing around we're delaying the chance of getting a new leader and Chancellor in place as soon as possible.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:I won't be first, but apparently its Crabb for the leadership and Javid for CX.
We all know its going to be Theresa and Boris in the final two so lets just get on with it.
If Crabb and Leadsom stand, there is value in betting on Boris to go out in the first round. He will certainly be struggling to make the final two.
Crabb is clearly a value bet. That's not to say he will win, merely that it would be very foolish to write him off.
I think there has to be at least one Leave option in the final two, if not both, and she and Mr Johnson are the best known.
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Leaving FIFA, which I believe was a Leavers' plan, will also release us from having to play in these elitist, undemocratic competitions.rcs1000 said:
When we leave the EU, our football will improve automagically.SeanT said:
I've completely emotionally disinvested from English national football. They've been so mediocre for so long they just bore me, now, and I NEVER anticipate a victoryLowlander said:
Because there is a pragmatism from commentators in most of the home nattions. Savage is very much from the English school of "its all biased against us, every foul should be a red card". Scotland games (even against minnows) do not go in saying "we'll win this".tlg86 said:
And yet, when I hear Gerry Armstrong doing a Northern Ireland game I really want them to win? Doesn't work with Robbie Savage and Wales, mind.Lowlander said:
I have a theory that if England games had commentaries by Scots in Scotland, etc, then people in the other home nations would be much, much more favourable towards England.tlg86 said:
I feel envious of the other home nations for whom being at the tournament is a big thing. Tyldesley just over does his commentary.Lowlander said:A genuine question.
Do English people get embarrassed by the commentaries on England games?
Savage on the Wales games sounded just like the English commentators and pundits do on England games. Armstrong sounded the way you would want a commentator to sound. Hopeful but not arrogant.
It is odd tho. How a country with so many players and so much money and such a strong domestic culture could be SO crap for SO long, barely troubling semi finals in 40 years.
It is a statistical anomaly.0
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