Scott_P said:

williamglenn said:

German industry didn't get where it is by competing on price.

And where "from the World" can I buy a cheaper BMW than Germany?

So we buy those under WTO rules, and the government collects the extra tax from the exporters.

Next.

My dad's friend, a postman, bought a plot and had a detached house built, with three children and a homemaker wife. But with 50 years of progress...

Vote Leave must be profiling their supporters - I've received an email from Priti:

"I am more convinced than ever that our country will leave the European Union in just two weeks’ time."

williamglenn said:

MarkHopkins said:

Scott_P said:

williamglenn said:

German industry didn't get where it is by competing on price.

And where "from the World" can I buy a cheaper BMW than Germany?

So we buy those under WTO rules, and the government collects the extra tax from the exporters.

Next.

You were arguing this would give us some leverage over the German government. Have you changed your mind?

Another factor you're forgetting about is the exchange rate. That BMW will probably become much more expensive regardless of tariffs.

The leverage varies according to the product. In terms of branded cars like MB, BMW, etc then the obvious leverage is the simple fact that we have a lot of customers and they want to sell them!

Remember MB is a premium brand over here, but more of a work-horse in Germany. They really need these sales.

MarkHopkins said:

williamglenn said:

MarkHopkins said:

Scott_P said:

williamglenn said:

German industry didn't get where it is by competing on price.

And where "from the World" can I buy a cheaper BMW than Germany?

So we buy those under WTO rules, and the government collects the extra tax from the exporters.

Next.

You were arguing this would give us some leverage over the German government. Have you changed your mind?

Another factor you're forgetting about is the exchange rate. That BMW will probably become much more expensive regardless of tariffs.

The leverage varies according to the product. In terms of branded cars like MB, BMW, etc then the obvious leverage is the simple fact that we have a lot of customers and they want to sell them!

Remember MB is a premium brand over here, but more of a work-horse in Germany. They really need these sales.

You've just said that people will swallow the WTO tariffs. They'll get the sales.

SeanT said:

AlastairMeeks said:

Lord Ashcroft's latest focus group findings:

http://www.conservativehome.com/platform/2016/06/lord-ashcroft-conservative-infighting-corbyns-insignificance-and-the-economy-my-eu-focus-groups-in-cardiff.html

Seems much more pro-Remain group than in previous weeks. Note in particular the comments about Martin Lewis. That seems significant to me.

That does sound like a nation shifting, reluctantly and grudgingly, to a narrow REMAIN victory. Am 90% sure this is what will happen.

I'm not so sure. Bear in mind this was in Cardiff which will probably be one of the most pro remain parts of Wales. I wish we had more info on where the respondents come from. Were they all from Cardiff or have some people come in from say the Valleys?

Scott_P said:

LucyJones said:

When people talk about their salaries, they say: "I'm on £50k" (or whatever). They don't tend to say: "I'm on £35k after tax".

That is the whole point.

People on salaries of £50k talk about gross.

People who get weekly paypackets talk about how much is in them (nett).

Clearly I am in a minority here as someone who thinks the EU is wonderful.

Fixed