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High stakes.
I wrote a piece a few weeks ago, explaining why the phone polls might be wrong, and why backing Leave might be the best option.
I wrote pieces criticising Dave and Remain for their silly hyperbole.
I've written pieces on Dave's falling ratings, and why that's bad for Remain, but people ignore those.
Goodnight all.
I visit sites for interesting discussion and reasonableness of tone, personally. I've been commenting less because the euro ref has turned us all a little bit mad, but decrying the blinkers of political anoraks strikes me as fighting the wrong battle. Somewhere is calling the campaign right but is it interesting and, by Internet standards, hospitable? Possibly, but possibly not. But being right in a thread header or article means little. Dan hodges was right about much of ge 2015, but the comment threads underneath his pieces were not an engaging place to be, though amusing to read.
I trust that is not kindergarten enough for you, as though whinging is less so.
I'm a leaver by the way, if that matters.
Well you got your wish. An ungracious post even by the standards of some pretty ignorant posts recently
I hope this country sees sense before the 23rd. It would be such a morale boost to the whole EU if we vote to stay in now.
Cameron has destroyed himself with Project Fear, he's become a laughing stock.
Remain need to lock him in a cupboard
I've been guest editing PB for four years now, you get used to the insults, bear in my mind, I've been accused of writing pro Labour, pro Lib Dem and pro Tory threads in that time, it amuses me no end.
This YouGov is more weight that Leave is working.
I do wish some here would lay off rubbishing their efforts once in a while.
There has been none of that so there can't be a vow this time.
Oh, anecdote alert.
Good night...
Does he really think that intervention is worth making?
He almost performed a miracle to resurrect Brown so who knows.
'That latest YouGov poll is an Ode to Joy for Leave
(I have £500 on LEAVE@5/2. I may have mentioned it.)
Do we know what the numbers are? I've seen at least two dozen tweets from Labourites saying they're very pissed at Jezza and cancelling/considering their membership. It wasn't what they voted for.
http://www.cityam.com/242642/brexit-campaigners-have-been-handed-another-lead-in-the-latest-polling-from-yougov
Someone popular in the current Labour party saying it might help...Oh, wait....
It's a horror show
http://news.sky.com/story/1707434/brexit-would-bring-economic-shock-to-n-ireland
Mandelson? Does even he think he is a decent man?
So project fear is getting through... but people will vote leave anyway.
On that basis Mandy has got to be one of the big bazookas for Remain.
So as up to date as it gets.
http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-poll-yougov-idUKKCN0YR103
"I am inviting you to fire me" says @DanHannanMEP in his #bbcsp film on #EUreferendum https://t.co/EVySpAtphD
True, we'll see. That said this is a different vote.
Anyway you've got to get to bed and I've stuff to do..
If he were included in polling of trust in politicians, he would be at the very bottom of the pile even in a field with plenty of competition (Cameron, Blair?).
Osborne, Blair, Mandelson, Kinnock, Brown, Clegg.....
Still, bad numbers for Remain, whichever way one looks at it.
http://www.rmt.org.uk/about/policies/political-circulars-and-submissions/referendum-on-membership-of-the-european-union130516/?preview=true
"Head Office Circular No. NP/140/16/MC
To all Branches & Regional Councils
Friday 13 May 2016
Dear Colleagues,
Referendum on Membership of the European Union
As you may be aware, the referendum campaign surrounding UK membership of the European Union has now begun.
RMT policy on this matter was decided by rank and file members at the 2015 Annual General Meeting, and the union is campaigning for a Leave vote. The motion carried at the AGM was as follows:
THE EUROPEAN UNION REFERENDUM....
This AGM instructs the General Secretary and Council of Executives to work to establish an alliance of trade unions, socialists and democrats calling for a 'No' vote in the coming referendum ....
RMT has registered as an official “leave” campaigner with the Electoral Commission. .... The union is also campaigning publicly with other unions, socialists and trade unionists who share our position.
Additionally, RMT will be promoting the following six key points direct to members across all sectors of the transport industry through the RMT NEWS, through branches and reps and through the union’s social media platforms. Copies of the below in leaflets and poster form will shortly be made available to Branches and Regional Councils.
1. Leave the EU to end attacks on rail workers.....
2. Leave the EU to end attacks on seafarers and the offshore workers ....
3. Leave the EU to end attacks on workers’ rights
It’s a myth that the EU is in favour of workers. In fact the EU is developing a new policy framework to attack trade union rights, collective bargaining, job protections and wages. This is already being enforced in countries which have received EU “bailouts”.
4. Leave the EU to end Austerity...
5. Leave the EU to stop the attack on our NHS....
The Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership (TTIP) trade agreement....
6. Leave the EU to support democracy
The vast majority of the laws that affects our lives are now made in the EU and not the UK. We have no say over those Laws. As the late Tony Benn said in 1991…
“We are discussing whether the British people are to be allowed to elect those who make the laws under which they are governed. The argument is nothing to do with whether we should get more maternity leave from Madame Papandreou [a European Commissioner].”
I would be grateful if you could bring this Circular to the attention of all Branch members and I will keep you informed as to developments and initiatives in the campaign.
Yours sincerely
Mick Cash
General Secretary
I think there's a perception that some people are all the TV all the time. I've seen less of Farage than Hoey/Leadsom. And Priti is a regular. This isn't helped by some other females reinforcing this - Woollaston for example. I've only seen her complaining about campaign stuff. Hattie is forever grinding this axe as expected.
The next debates have IIRC 5/6 females - and Boris. Leave has Priti/Leadsom IIRC - Remain has Sturgeon/Rudd/Davidson.
Just caught up with the comments last thread. The Wisdom of Morris Dancer was proven by my wise decision to not watch Top Gear.
I wouldn't get too giddy over polls. There's over a fortnight to go.
This whole campaign period has exposed fault lines all over - no one seems impressed by Owen Jones/Paul Mason turning their coats either.
Looks like all the polls are heading towards Leave. Catching up on yesterday, Major's interview on Marr will probably help Remain, although again he was talking about people and process rather than trying to make the positive case for the EU.