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Alistair Campbell would be turning in his grave were it not for the fact that he’s not dead. Not only did the Labour supporters booing the BBC’s Laura Kuenssberg at Jeremy Corbyn’s speech on Thursday drive the wedge between party and media that bit further but it distracted from the main purpose of the event, which was for the Labour leader to add his weight to the Remain camp.
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First like Andy Murray0
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If you're complaining about the media, you're losing...0
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2nd like Remain.
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SorryHertsmere_Pubgoer said:2nd like Remain.
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David Herdson- pb tory and apostate!0
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Bring back Ed Miliband.0
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David Herdson- part of the wight wing press and mainstream media!0
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Typical right wing red tory propaganda this. Corbyn is going to storm something... soon... Not sure what, but he will, mark my words! 0
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Serves me right for not hitting f5 before posting *blush*ThreeQuidder said:0 -
Then the right must have been losing for the last 40 years or so.ThreeQuidder said:If you're complaining about the media, you're losing...
Complaining about the BBC can definitely be a good strategy, though it needs you to have supportive parts of the media to back up the claim. Corbynites just have twitter and bits of the Guardian, so they've got problems.
Particularly since they're sort of right. BBC political news journalists don't have much time for them. Though possibly they don't have much time for them because the Corbynites are crap, which isn't really bias.0 -
Interesting EU poll:
https://yougov.co.uk/news/2016/06/02/europe-if-britain-leaves-others-will-follow/
If we go, other EU countries people think others will follow.0 -
The latest YouGov Eurotrack results offer a perspective on how ordinary people around Europe view the future of the EU post-Brexit.
A majority of the population in every country polled except Finland - and a tendency even in Finland - believe it is likely more countries will choose to leave the EU in the event of a Brexit. Swedes (69%) are the most likely to think other EU countries will follow the UK out the EU, closely followed by the Danes (66%).
https://yougov.co.uk/news/2016/06/02/europe-if-britain-leaves-others-will-follow/0 -
He hasn't gone away, you knowtlg86 said:Bring back Ed Miliband.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/may/28/ed-miliband-warns-britain-could-leave-eu-if-young-people-dont-vote0 -
Well, yes but that's because there is little to have time for.William_H said:
Then the right must have been losing for the last 40 years or so.ThreeQuidder said:If you're complaining about the media, you're losing...
Complaining about the BBC can definitely be a good strategy, though it needs you to have supportive parts of the media to back up the claim. Corbynites just have twitter and bits of the Guardian, so they've got problems.
Particularly since they're sort of right. BBC political news journalists don't have much time for them. Though possibly they don't have much time for them because the Corbynites are crap, which isn't really bias.0 -
Watching Corbyn's speeches and answers now, the most striking thing is just how tedious he is. How did Labour members and supporters manage to convince themselves that he was something new and exciting?0
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If we go it will break up the EU in timeBenedictWhite said:Interesting EU poll:
https://yougov.co.uk/news/2016/06/02/europe-if-britain-leaves-others-will-follow/
If we go, other EU countries people think others will follow.0 -
Well, given how hard we have tried to stop it doing stupid things and tried reform, I wonder if that wouldn't be a good thing.Big_G_NorthWales said:
If we go it will break up the EU in timeBenedictWhite said:Interesting EU poll:
https://yougov.co.uk/news/2016/06/02/europe-if-britain-leaves-others-will-follow/
If we go, other EU countries people think others will follow.0 -
I paid £3 to vote for him - money well spent?Richard_Nabavi said:Watching Corbyn's speeches and answers now, the most striking thing is just how tedious he is. How did Labour members and supporters manage to convince themselves that he was something new and exciting?
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Maybe, Big G, but would that be a bad thing and why should we care? See also Mr. White's post.Big_G_NorthWales said:
If we go it will break up the EU in timeBenedictWhite said:Interesting EU poll:
https://yougov.co.uk/news/2016/06/02/europe-if-britain-leaves-others-will-follow/
If we go, other EU countries people think others will follow.0 -
The first episode of Chris Evans’s new-look Top Gear was rated by viewers as the worst programme on terrestrial television last weekend, according to internal BBC audience data leaked to the Daily Telegraph.
No other programme on the main terrestrial broadcasters was given such a low score last weekend, and an AI score of 60 puts Top Gear on a par with Daybreak, the ill-fated ITV breakfast show that was axed in 2014.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/03/top-gear-worst-programme-of-last-weekend-say-viewers/
I am sure SHOUTY MC-SHOUTY FACE will be on twitter shortly to tell us it is all nonsense and FACT top gear is a hit.0 -
A teacupBenedictWhite said:Typical right wing red tory propaganda this. Corbyn is going to storm something... soon... Not sure what, but he will, mark my words!
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That's only because This Week wasn't on.....FrancisUrquhart said:The first episode of Chris Evans’s new-look Top Gear was rated by viewers as the worst programme on terrestrial television last weekend, according to internal BBC audience data leaked to the Daily Telegraph.
No other programme on the main terrestrial broadcasters was given such a low score last weekend, and an AI score of 60 puts Top Gear on a par with Daybreak, the ill-fated ITV breakfast show that was axed in 2014.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/03/top-gear-worst-programme-of-last-weekend-say-viewers/
I am sure SHOUTY MC-SHOUTY FACE will be on twitter shortly to tell us it is all nonsense and FACT top gear is a hit.
oh, it's only weekend telly.. lol
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In search of a global-scale alignment of the progressive forces
http://bit.ly/21bihJl0 -
I just went onto YouTube to watch a mathematics video (it's OK, watching programmes about mathematics at 23:30 is perfectly normal - at least for some value of normal). So on this obscure YouTube channel I get greeted not by some nice lady talking about a beautiful bit of mathematics but by a bloody advert - in which David Cameron is telling me not to worry about Turkey joining the EU.
Cameron in a video YouTube advert! On a mathematics channel! Talking about how I shouldn't worry about Turkey joining the EU!
Golly. Someone is worried.0 -
Corbyn is definitely winning me over - and nobody could be more surprised about that than I am.
I'm not sure that I'm saying that I'm quite ready to vote Labour for the first time ever (as strongly disliking them for all my life up to now is quite a mental hurdle to get over) but I'm certainly feeling a pull towards them that I've never felt before.
I wanted to vote Labour in the local elections last month but couldn't quite make the psychological leap in the polling booth when the pencil was in my hand. Strange times.0 -
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-06-03/trump-plans-to-travel-to-u-k-day-before-brexit-referendum
Trump's changed the date of his UK visit to the day before the referendum.0 -
The ads may be based on what you've been browsing, rather than what the channel is about.HurstLlama said:I just went onto YouTube to watch a mathematics video (it's OK, watching programmes about mathematics at 23:30 is perfectly normal - at least for some value of normal). So on this obscure YouTube channel I get greeted not by some nice lady talking about a beautiful bit of mathematics but by a bloody advert - in which David Cameron is telling me not to worry about Turkey joining the EU.
Cameron in a video YouTube advert! On a mathematics channel! Talking about how I shouldn't worry about Turkey joining the EU!
Golly. Someone is worried.
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Ah yes that was it. Tea with honey. No doubt he has a hive on his allotment.brokenwheel said:
A teacupBenedictWhite said:Typical right wing red tory propaganda this. Corbyn is going to storm something... soon... Not sure what, but he will, mark my words!
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"though it can also easily tend to produce splits over arcane, meaningless points that the rest of the world would regard as of no great importance"
Mr Herdson, in describing Corbyn and his clique, you might well have been describing Lenin's management of the Communist party before they came to power.0 -
I am sure he won't have anything to say on the matter...given he is such a quiet retiring type.williamglenn said:http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-06-03/trump-plans-to-travel-to-u-k-day-before-brexit-referendum
Trump's changed the date of his UK visit to the day before the referendum.0 -
It's patently absurd that the BBC should be the outfit compiling the viewership of its own programming.FrancisUrquhart said:The first episode of Chris Evans’s new-look Top Gear was rated by viewers as the worst programme on terrestrial television last weekend, according to internal BBC audience data leaked to the Daily Telegraph.
No other programme on the main terrestrial broadcasters was given such a low score last weekend, and an AI score of 60 puts Top Gear on a par with Daybreak, the ill-fated ITV breakfast show that was axed in 2014.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/03/top-gear-worst-programme-of-last-weekend-say-viewers/
I am sure SHOUTY MC-SHOUTY FACE will be on twitter shortly to tell us it is all nonsense and FACT top gear is a hit.
There needs to be an independent outfit doing that, like Nielsen.0 -
Is he trying to win friends and influence people? I'd rather he didn't. I don't like foreigners interfering in other peoples elections.williamglenn said:http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-06-03/trump-plans-to-travel-to-u-k-day-before-brexit-referendum
Trump's changed the date of his UK visit to the day before the referendum.0 -
For once I entirely disagree with David - and I've never shrunk from talking to anyone, including BNP supporters and people who explicitly thought I should be locked up.
1. The "hissing" was a very short interruption by a small number of people who, contrary to what David writes, were immediately hushed by Corbyn. MPs put up with far worse in any well-attended Commons debate. Nor are journalists generally shrinking violets, intimidated by the reaction of a few random strangers. It's not a good thing that someone is rude, not least as it encourages reporting the event as a process story, but it's also not a big deal.
2. Short of total stage management, it's literally impossible to guarantee that nobody in a large audience will not say or do something you don't entirely like - all you can really do is tell them to stop it.
3. The decision not to share a platform with the Tories on the EU is both a direct lesson from the Scottish referendum, when it proved to be nearly suicidal, and also in the interest of providing a distinctive non-Tory case for Remain. Otherwise we'd be hearing all about the Establishment parties ganging up together. For Sadiq to do it is one thing, but the party leader should avoid it, and I'd advise the same whoever the leader was.
The point I do agree with is that it's worth putting more effort into media outreach than is currently being done. But imposing omerta on party gatherings is not the way to do it. If the worst that anyone in political debate encounters is the odd hiss, not many will genuinely be very affronted. The journalists who I know are much more worried and annoyed about pressure on their editors by spin doctors of all sides - something which David paradoxically argues was the perfect strategy, and which is actually not (so far as I know) being done by Labour at the moment.
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"If they want to get rid of him then...err ummm... Let Jeremy fail in his own time"FrancisUrquhart said:Team Corbyn summed up in 90 seconds.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cTZb0zScwE
Ye fecking gods...
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Donald Trump should not poke his nose into the affairs of the British people.
Interestingly Chuka Umunna has claimed in a debate held by the Daily Express that there will be no EU army. I don't know why these Eurofanatics insist on denying what everyone else in Europe openly admits to.0 -
Interesting points Nick though there is form from the Corbyn/McDonnel camps to dislike the media. I do agree that there is too much spin politics though.NickPalmer said:For once I entirely disagree with David - and I've never shrunk from talking to anyone, including BNP supporters and people who explicitly thought I should be locked up.
1. The "hissing" was a very short interruption by a small number of people who, contrary to what David writes, were immediately hushed by Corbyn. MPs put up with far worse in any well-attended Commons debate. Nor are journalists generally shrinking violets, intimidated by the reaction of a few random strangers. It's not a good thing that someone is rude, not least as it encourages reporting the event as a process story, but it's also not a big deal.
2. Short of total stage management, it's literally impossible to guarantee that nobody in a large audience will not say or do something you don't entirely like - all you can really do is tell them to stop it.
3. The decision not to share a platform with the Tories on the EU is both a direct lesson from the Scottish referendum, when it proved to be nearly suicidal, and also in the interest of providing a distinctive non-Tory case for Remain. Otherwise we'd be hearing all about the Establishment parties ganging up together. For Sadiq to do it is one thing, but the party leader should avoid it, and I'd advise the same whoever the leader was.
The point I do agree with is that it's worth putting more effort into media outreach than is currently being done. But imposing omerta on party gatherings is not the way to do it. If the worst that anyone in political debate encounters is the odd hiss, not many will genuinely be very affronted. The journalists who I know are much more worried and annoyed about pressure on their editors by spin doctors of all sides - something which David paradoxically argues was the perfect strategy, and which is actually not (so far as I know) being done by Labour at the moment.0 -
"It's only a trading agreement to make selling stuff to each other easier"MP_SE said:Donald Trump should not poke his nose into the affairs of the British people.
Interestingly Chuka Umunna has claimed in a debate held by the Daily Express that there will be no EU army. I don't know why these Eurofanatics insist on denying what everyone else in Europe openly admits to.
Anyway enough about FIFA what about the EU?
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Thanks for that Mr. D. Is that browsing generally (in which case PB might come into play) or just YouTube (in which case it would not make sense given what I watch over there - essentially mathematics, history, classical music and a little chemistry).RobD said:
The ads may be based on what you've been browsing, rather than what the channel is about.HurstLlama said:I just went onto YouTube to watch a mathematics video (it's OK, watching programmes about mathematics at 23:30 is perfectly normal - at least for some value of normal). So on this obscure YouTube channel I get greeted not by some nice lady talking about a beautiful bit of mathematics but by a bloody advert - in which David Cameron is telling me not to worry about Turkey joining the EU.
Cameron in a video YouTube advert! On a mathematics channel! Talking about how I shouldn't worry about Turkey joining the EU!
Golly. Someone is worried.
If the former how the hell do the people who stream YouTube Ads know that I am interested in politics? Aside from My IP address there is no connection between my identity on here and my identity on YouTube.0 -
I have the opposite reaction. I desperately want to feel able to vote Labour. There's no mental hurdle for me - I've voted for LD, Lab and Con in the past. I think the Conservatives are going to choose a leader from their right-wing that I will detest. But I think Corbyn is malevolent, self-regarding and very very stupid. In a forced choice I would have to opt for almost any alternative.Steven_Whaley said:Corbyn is definitely winning me over - and nobody could be more surprised about that than I am.
I'm not sure that I'm saying that I'm quite ready to vote Labour for the first time ever (as strongly disliking them for all my life up to now is quite a mental hurdle to get over) but I'm certainly feeling a pull towards them that I've never felt before.
I wanted to vote Labour in the local elections last month but couldn't quite make the psychological leap in the polling booth when the pencil was in my hand. Strange times.
We are going to need to rebuild the pragmatic centre ground that David talks about. I don't think it can be done in either the Conservative or Labour parties.0 -
The user whose videos you are watching doesn't control what ads they include, youtube itself does that. It is based on all web browsing, at least where you are tracked with cookies, not just youtube. And you are tracked by IP address. You can get software that blocks tracking cookies like this, and you'll be shown generic adverts.HurstLlama said:
Thanks for that Mr. D. Is that browsing generally (in which case PB might come into play) or just YouTube (in which case it would not make sense given what I watch over there - essentially mathematics, history, classical music and a little chemistry).RobD said:
The ads may be based on what you've been browsing, rather than what the channel is about.HurstLlama said:I just went onto YouTube to watch a mathematics video (it's OK, watching programmes about mathematics at 23:30 is perfectly normal - at least for some value of normal). So on this obscure YouTube channel I get greeted not by some nice lady talking about a beautiful bit of mathematics but by a bloody advert - in which David Cameron is telling me not to worry about Turkey joining the EU.
Cameron in a video YouTube advert! On a mathematics channel! Talking about how I shouldn't worry about Turkey joining the EU!
Golly. Someone is worried.
If the former how the hell do the people who stream YouTube Ads know that I am interested in politics? Aside from My IP address there is no connection between my identity on here and my identity on YouTube.0 -
Google knows everything about you....HurstLlama said:
Thanks for that Mr. D. Is that browsing generally (in which case PB might come into play) or just YouTube (in which case it would not make sense given what I watch over there - essentially mathematics, history, classical music and a little chemistry).RobD said:
The ads may be based on what you've been browsing, rather than what the channel is about.HurstLlama said:I just went onto YouTube to watch a mathematics video (it's OK, watching programmes about mathematics at 23:30 is perfectly normal - at least for some value of normal). So on this obscure YouTube channel I get greeted not by some nice lady talking about a beautiful bit of mathematics but by a bloody advert - in which David Cameron is telling me not to worry about Turkey joining the EU.
Cameron in a video YouTube advert! On a mathematics channel! Talking about how I shouldn't worry about Turkey joining the EU!
Golly. Someone is worried.
If the former how the hell do the people who stream YouTube Ads know that I am interested in politics? Aside from My IP address there is no connection between my identity on here and my identity on YouTube.0 -
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Exactly. There are plenty of charismatic, magnetic hard-left fantasists. He is not blessed with such charm.Richard_Nabavi said:Watching Corbyn's speeches and answers now, the most striking thing is just how tedious he is. How did Labour members and supporters manage to convince themselves that he was something new and exciting?
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It interrogates your browser history and tailors the ads based on what you have been browsing.HurstLlama said:
Thanks for that Mr. D. Is that browsing generally (in which case PB might come into play) or just YouTube (in which case it would not make sense given what I watch over there - essentially mathematics, history, classical music and a little chemistry).RobD said:
The ads may be based on what you've been browsing, rather than what the channel is about.HurstLlama said:I just went onto YouTube to watch a mathematics video (it's OK, watching programmes about mathematics at 23:30 is perfectly normal - at least for some value of normal). So on this obscure YouTube channel I get greeted not by some nice lady talking about a beautiful bit of mathematics but by a bloody advert - in which David Cameron is telling me not to worry about Turkey joining the EU.
Cameron in a video YouTube advert! On a mathematics channel! Talking about how I shouldn't worry about Turkey joining the EU!
Golly. Someone is worried.
If the former how the hell do the people who stream YouTube Ads know that I am interested in politics? Aside from My IP address there is no connection between my identity on here and my identity on YouTube.0 -
He may do a poetry reading if we're lucky.FrancisUrquhart said:
I am sure he won't have anything to say on the matter...given he is such a quiet retiring type.williamglenn said:http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-06-03/trump-plans-to-travel-to-u-k-day-before-brexit-referendum
Trump's changed the date of his UK visit to the day before the referendum.0 -
YouTube, which is owned by Google, decides what ads to show you based on whatever "signal" it has about you. If you don't have a Google account then it's probably just your browsing history. If you use Google services like Gmail and such (which I do myself) then it will have a lot more to go on.HurstLlama said:
Thanks for that Mr. D. Is that browsing generally (in which case PB might come into play) or just YouTube (in which case it would make sense given what I watch over there - essentially mathematics, history, classical music and a little chemistry).RobD said:
The ads may be based on what you've been browsing, rather than what the channel is about.HurstLlama said:I just went onto YouTube to watch a mathematics video (it's OK, watching programmes about mathematics at 23:30 is perfectly normal - at least for some value of normal). So on this obscure YouTube channel I get greeted not by some nice lady talking about a beautiful bit of mathematics but by a bloody advert - in which David Cameron is telling me not to worry about Turkey joining the EU.
Cameron in a video YouTube advert! On a mathematics channel! Talking about how I shouldn't worry about Turkey joining the EU!
Golly. Someone is worried.
If the former how the hell do the people who stream YouTube Ads know that I am interested in politics? Aside from My IP address there is no connection between my identity on here and my identity on YouTube.
A lot of people find this creepy. Personally I quite like it because I know I'm going to see ads anyway so they may as well be things that (potentially) interest me.0 -
Another good thread by the ever reliable David.
What makes me think that in a few months' time we'll all be wishing for the immediate return of Dave Cameron and Ed Miliband, nostalgic for better days?0 -
"So, punk, your parliament of maladjusted intellectual pygmies wasted a whole day ejaculating over some motion, intending to ban me from your shores. Like, whatever happened to it? Does anyone know for sure?williamglenn said:http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-06-03/trump-plans-to-travel-to-u-k-day-before-brexit-referendum
Trump's changed the date of his UK visit to the day before the referendum.
Whatever... I'm here now. So, maybe you can receive me at Downing Street with the respect due to a possible POTUS. Wanna act the jerk, instead?
Hey Man, no problem.
Where's the nearest mike? I feel a press conference coming on... Some kinda vote happening tomorrow, so I hear..."0 -
I note the Trumpet had slid back a point a so in the polling. Not much. But we are thankful for small mercies!RodCrosby said:
"So, punk, your parliament of maladjusted intellectual pygmies wasted a whole day ejaculating over some motion intending to ban me from your shores. Like, whatever happened to it? Does anyone know for sure?williamglenn said:http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-06-03/trump-plans-to-travel-to-u-k-day-before-brexit-referendum
Trump's changed the date of his UK visit to the day before the referendum.
Whatever... I'm here now. So, maybe you can receive me at Downing Street with the respect due to a possible POTUS. Wanna act the jerk, instead?
Hey Man, no problem.
Where's the nearest mike? I feel a press conference coming on..."
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How many points has Clinton slid back?Jobabob said:
I note the Trumpet had slid back a point a so in the polling. Not much. But we are thankful for small mercies!RodCrosby said:
"So, punk, your parliament of maladjusted intellectual pygmies wasted a whole day ejaculating over some motion intending to ban me from your shores. Like, whatever happened to it? Does anyone know for sure?williamglenn said:http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-06-03/trump-plans-to-travel-to-u-k-day-before-brexit-referendum
Trump's changed the date of his UK visit to the day before the referendum.
Whatever... I'm here now. So, maybe you can receive me at Downing Street with the respect due to a possible POTUS. Wanna act the jerk, instead?
Hey Man, no problem.
Where's the nearest mike? I feel a press conference coming on..." 0 -
I don't know, but it's probably best dealt with in consultation with a member of the psychiatric profession.Jobabob said:Another good thread by the ever reliable David.
What makes me think that in a few months' time we'll all be wishing for the immediate return of Dave Cameron and Ed Miliband, nostalgic for better days?0 -
I think Cameron would be delighted if Trump would identify himself strongly with Leave.RodCrosby said:
"So, punk, your parliament of maladjusted intellectual pygmies wasted a whole day ejaculating over some motion, intending to ban me from your shores. Like, whatever happened to it? Does anyone know for sure?williamglenn said:http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-06-03/trump-plans-to-travel-to-u-k-day-before-brexit-referendum
Trump's changed the date of his UK visit to the day before the referendum.
Whatever... I'm here now. So, maybe you can receive me at Downing Street with the respect due to a possible POTUS. Wanna act the jerk, instead?
Hey Man, no problem.
Where's the nearest mike? I feel a press conference coming on... Some kinda vote happening tomorrow, so I hear..."0 -
It could be done in either, Mr. Wanderer, in fact I hope it is because it will be quicker to happen than building a whole new party.Wanderer said:
I have the opposite reaction. I desperately want to feel able to vote Labour. There's no mental hurdle for me - I've voted for LD, Lab and Con in the past. I think the Conservatives are going to choose a leader from their right-wing that I will detest. But I think Corbyn is malevolent, self-regarding and very very stupid. In a forced choice I would have to opt for almost any alternative.
We are going to need to rebuild the pragmatic centre ground that David talks about. I don't think it can be done in either the Conservative or Labour parties.
Look at the "Patrick Party" manifesto, the discussion which was so horribly cut off by the mods on this site as it was gaining traction. Aside from the usual tribalist nutters, I would expect that the huge majority of people on here and in the real world would vote for that party if it existed.
Now that party doesn't exist, probably never will exist, but its "unique selling point" (to borrow from Roger's jargon) was not that it sat on the mythical centre ground (which only exists in the minds of people who think of politics as two dimensional) but in the common ground that bit of the 3D world where most of us actually live.0 -
Well I didn't see that manifesto but if it is centred around Patrick's views then I assume it's far out to the right?HurstLlama said:
It could be done in either, Mr. Wanderer, in fact I hope it is because it will be quicker to happen than building a whole new party.Wanderer said:
I have the opposite reaction. I desperately want to feel able to vote Labour. There's no mental hurdle for me - I've voted for LD, Lab and Con in the past. I think the Conservatives are going to choose a leader from their right-wing that I will detest. But I think Corbyn is malevolent, self-regarding and very very stupid. In a forced choice I would have to opt for almost any alternative.
We are going to need to rebuild the pragmatic centre ground that David talks about. I don't think it can be done in either the Conservative or Labour parties.
Look at the "Patrick Party" manifesto, the discussion which was so horribly cut off by the mods on this site as it was gaining traction. Aside from the usual tribalist nutters, I would expect that the huge majority of people on here and in the real world would vote for that party if it existed.
Now that party doesn't exist, probably never will exist, but its "unique selling point" (to borrow from Roger's jargon) was not that it sat on the mythical centre ground (which only exists in the minds of people who think of politics as two dimensional) but in the common ground that bit of the 3D world where most of us actually live.0 -
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Are you sure he isn't just a European Farage?BenedictWhite said:Interesting video of Junker
https://twitter.com/ukipwebmaster/status/738873213409742849
Loved the comparing ties bit.0 -
And do you think Trump would be so unsubtle?Wanderer said:
I think Cameron would be delighted if Trump would identify himself strongly with Leave.RodCrosby said:
"So, punk, your parliament of maladjusted intellectual pygmies wasted a whole day ejaculating over some motion, intending to ban me from your shores. Like, whatever happened to it? Does anyone know for sure?williamglenn said:http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-06-03/trump-plans-to-travel-to-u-k-day-before-brexit-referendum
Trump's changed the date of his UK visit to the day before the referendum.
Whatever... I'm here now. So, maybe you can receive me at Downing Street with the respect due to a possible POTUS. Wanna act the jerk, instead?
Hey Man, no problem.
Where's the nearest mike? I feel a press conference coming on... Some kinda vote happening tomorrow, so I hear..."
"Remember your vote tomorrow, folks. Lyin' Dave... Bible high, we're better off in the EU..."0 -
Clegg's LDs were absolutely dead centre, what did they get for their troubles? 8 seats and 7.9% of the vote!Wanderer said:
I have the opposite reaction. I desperately want to feel able to vote Labour. There's no mental hurdle for me - I've voted for LD, Lab and Con in the past. I think the Conservatives are going to choose a leader from their right-wing that I will detest. But I think Corbyn is malevolent, self-regarding and very very stupid. In a forced choice I would have to opt for almost any alternative.Steven_Whaley said:Corbyn is definitely winning me over - and nobody could be more surprised about that than I am.
I'm not sure that I'm saying that I'm quite ready to vote Labour for the first time ever (as strongly disliking them for all my life up to now is quite a mental hurdle to get over) but I'm certainly feeling a pull towards them that I've never felt before.
I wanted to vote Labour in the local elections last month but couldn't quite make the psychological leap in the polling booth when the pencil was in my hand. Strange times.
We are going to need to rebuild the pragmatic centre ground that David talks about. I don't think it can be done in either the Conservative or Labour parties.0 -
RodCrosby said:
And do you think Trump would be so unsubtle?Wanderer said:
I think Cameron would be delighted if Trump would identify himself strongly with Leave.RodCrosby said:
"So, punk, your parliament of maladjusted intellectual pygmies wasted a whole day ejaculating over some motion, intending to ban me from your shores. Like, whatever happened to it? Does anyone know for sure?williamglenn said:http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-06-03/trump-plans-to-travel-to-u-k-day-before-brexit-referendum
Trump's changed the date of his UK visit to the day before the referendum.
Whatever... I'm here now. So, maybe you can receive me at Downing Street with the respect due to a possible POTUS. Wanna act the jerk, instead?
Hey Man, no problem.
Where's the nearest mike? I feel a press conference coming on... Some kinda vote happening tomorrow, so I hear..."
"Remember your vote tomorrow, folks. Lyin' Dave... Bible high, we're better off in the EU..."Sunil J. Prasannan"Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of EU directives entering UK Law, until the Great British Public's representatives can figure out what the hell is going on!"0 -
Twitter tells me that Muhammad Ali is gravely ill in a hospital in Phoenix and that his family have been told to expect the worst.0
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Gosh two quick replies then I am commanded to be off the Computer by Herself.
Firstly my thanks to all for the way adverts YouTube actually work. I find it much less "creepy" (tm Wanderer) now I understand the process a little more.
Secondly, and for Wanderer in particular, the Patrick Party Manifesto was certainly not "far out to the right". People from the Left and the Right were saying they would be happy to sign up to it.
It is amazing how much common ground there is once we can dump the labels and the tribalism.0 -
Yes, it has also been on the news. Very sad.JohnLoony said:Twitter tells me that Muhammad Ali is gravely ill in a hospital in Phoenix and that his family have been told to expect the worst.
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Was the 'Patrick Party' any different to UKIP?HurstLlama said:Gosh two quick replies then I am commanded to be off the Computer by Herself.
Firstly my thanks to all for the way adverts YouTube actually work. I find it much less "creepy" (tm Wanderer) now I understand the process a little more.
Secondly, and for Wanderer in particular, the Patrick Party Manifesto was certainly not "far out to the right". People from the Left and the Right were saying they would be happy to sign up to it.
It is amazing how much common ground their is once we can dump the labels and the tribalism.0 -
I think the majority of British voters have a strongly held negative view of Trump. It wouldn't matter what he said. His schtick works in his own country but he's not our cup of tea.RodCrosby said:
And do you think Trump would be so unsubtle?Wanderer said:
I think Cameron would be delighted if Trump would identify himself strongly with Leave.RodCrosby said:
"So, punk, your parliament of maladjusted intellectual pygmies wasted a whole day ejaculating over some motion, intending to ban me from your shores. Like, whatever happened to it? Does anyone know for sure?williamglenn said:http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-06-03/trump-plans-to-travel-to-u-k-day-before-brexit-referendum
Trump's changed the date of his UK visit to the day before the referendum.
Whatever... I'm here now. So, maybe you can receive me at Downing Street with the respect due to a possible POTUS. Wanna act the jerk, instead?
Hey Man, no problem.
Where's the nearest mike? I feel a press conference coming on... Some kinda vote happening tomorrow, so I hear..."
"Remember your vote tomorrow, folks. Lyin' Dave... Bible high, we're better off in the EU..."0 -
Yes. He is here most days, why don't you ask him to republish then you can see for yourself.HYUFD said:
Was the 'Patrick Party' any different to UKIP?HurstLlama said:Gosh two quick replies then I am commanded to be off the Computer by Herself.
Firstly my thanks to all for the way adverts YouTube actually work. I find it much less "creepy" (tm Wanderer) now I understand the process a little more.
Secondly, and for Wanderer in particular, the Patrick Party Manifesto was certainly not "far out to the right". People from the Left and the Right were saying they would be happy to sign up to it.
It is amazing how much common ground their is once we can dump the labels and the tribalism.0 -
Thanks. I will look it up and have a read.HurstLlama said:Gosh two quick replies then I am commanded to be off the Computer by Herself.
Firstly my thanks to all for the way adverts YouTube actually work. I find it much less "creepy" (tm Wanderer) now I understand the process a little more.
Secondly, and for Wanderer in particular, the Patrick Party Manifesto was certainly not "far out to the right". People from the Left and the Right were saying they would be happy to sign up to it.
It is amazing how much common ground there is once we can dump the labels and the tribalism.0 -
"He'll be gone soon, folks, and I won't have to deal with him when I next come back here as POTUS..."RodCrosby said:
And do you think Trump would be so unsubtle?Wanderer said:
I think Cameron would be delighted if Trump would identify himself strongly with Leave.RodCrosby said:
"So, punk, your parliament of maladjusted intellectual pygmies wasted a whole day ejaculating over some motion, intending to ban me from your shores. Like, whatever happened to it? Does anyone know for sure?williamglenn said:http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-06-03/trump-plans-to-travel-to-u-k-day-before-brexit-referendum
Trump's changed the date of his UK visit to the day before the referendum.
Whatever... I'm here now. So, maybe you can receive me at Downing Street with the respect due to a possible POTUS. Wanna act the jerk, instead?
Hey Man, no problem.
Where's the nearest mike? I feel a press conference coming on... Some kinda vote happening tomorrow, so I hear..."
"Remember your vote tomorrow, folks. Lyin' Dave... Bible high, we're better off in the EU..."
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The EU is likely to ban all diesel and petrol cars by ~ 2030 I reckon.
Now much as I might consider a Tesla one day I'd like the choice...0 -
Ok watched it. Then watched it again.BenedictWhite said:Interesting video of Junker
https://twitter.com/ukipwebmaster/status/738873213409742849
Please tell me this is a spoof. I can't see how it's a spoof but what the hell?
"Last night, sensational video emerged showing Juncker obviously drunk in public, hopping from foot to foot and slapping other EU leaders. A second member of the “Five Presidents”, Donald Tusk, stands next to him looking uneasy"
http://heatst.com/uk/five-presidents-eus-jean-claude-juncker-drunk-in-public-slaps-leaders/
Well at least I can vote him out the next time the election comes around.....
Oh wait...0 -
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jun/02/tragic-decline-david-cameron-end-tory-leader?CMP=fb_gu
John Harris pens the truth about Dave.0 -
I just don't understand how anyone could put him in charge of a whelk stall!Moses_ said:
Ok watched it. Then watched it again.BenedictWhite said:Interesting video of Junker
https://twitter.com/ukipwebmaster/status/738873213409742849
Please tell me this is a spoof. I can't see how it's a spoof but what the hell?
"Last night, sensational video emerged showing Juncker obviously drunk in public, hopping from foot to foot and slapping other EU leaders. A second member of the “Five Presidents”, Donald Tusk, stands next to him looking uneasy"
http://heatst.com/uk/five-presidents-eus-jean-claude-juncker-drunk-in-public-slaps-leaders/
Well at least I can vote him out the next time the election comes around.....
Oh wait...0 -
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UKIP voters have a positive view of TrumpWanderer said:
I think the majority of British voters have a strongly held negative view of Trump. It wouldn't matter what he said. His schtick works in his own country but he's not our cup of tea.RodCrosby said:
And do you think Trump would be so unsubtle?Wanderer said:
I think Cameron would be delighted if Trump would identify himself strongly with Leave.RodCrosby said:
"So, punk, your parliament of maladjusted intellectual pygmies wasted a whole day ejaculating over some motion, intending to ban me from your shores. Like, whatever happened to it? Does anyone know for sure?williamglenn said:http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-06-03/trump-plans-to-travel-to-u-k-day-before-brexit-referendum
Trump's changed the date of his UK visit to the day before the referendum.
Whatever... I'm here now. So, maybe you can receive me at Downing Street with the respect due to a possible POTUS. Wanna act the jerk, instead?
Hey Man, no problem.
Where's the nearest mike? I feel a press conference coming on... Some kinda vote happening tomorrow, so I hear..."
"Remember your vote tomorrow, folks. Lyin' Dave... Bible high, we're better off in the EU..."0 -
All leave have to do is play that over and over and over again.BenedictWhite said:
I just don't understand how anyone could put him in charge of a whelk stall!Moses_ said:
Ok watched it. Then watched it again.BenedictWhite said:Interesting video of Junker
https://twitter.com/ukipwebmaster/status/738873213409742849
Please tell me this is a spoof. I can't see how it's a spoof but what the hell?
"Last night, sensational video emerged showing Juncker obviously drunk in public, hopping from foot to foot and slapping other EU leaders. A second member of the “Five Presidents”, Donald Tusk, stands next to him looking uneasy"
http://heatst.com/uk/five-presidents-eus-jean-claude-juncker-drunk-in-public-slaps-leaders/
Well at least I can vote him out the next time the election comes around.....
Oh wait...
Better still...Speed it up and put it to Benny Hill music and it will certainly resonance.0 -
Just watched the debate. That's a pretty damned impressive performance by Gove. Wow.
I used to dislike him immensely. This was impressive.0 -
They're already voting Leave.HYUFD said:
UKIP voters have a positive view of TrumpWanderer said:
I think the majority of British voters have a strongly held negative view of Trump. It wouldn't matter what he said. His schtick works in his own country but he's not our cup of tea.RodCrosby said:
And do you think Trump would be so unsubtle?Wanderer said:
I think Cameron would be delighted if Trump would identify himself strongly with Leave.RodCrosby said:
"So, punk, your parliament of maladjusted intellectual pygmies wasted a whole day ejaculating over some motion, intending to ban me from your shores. Like, whatever happened to it? Does anyone know for sure?williamglenn said:http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-06-03/trump-plans-to-travel-to-u-k-day-before-brexit-referendum
Trump's changed the date of his UK visit to the day before the referendum.
Whatever... I'm here now. So, maybe you can receive me at Downing Street with the respect due to a possible POTUS. Wanna act the jerk, instead?
Hey Man, no problem.
Where's the nearest mike? I feel a press conference coming on... Some kinda vote happening tomorrow, so I hear..."
"Remember your vote tomorrow, folks. Lyin' Dave... Bible high, we're better off in the EU..."0 -
If I am around at the same time maybe but I fail to see how anyone cannot now roughly fit their views into one of the Greens, Corbyn's Labour, the LDs, Cameron's Tories or UKIPHurstLlama said:
Yes. He is here most days, why don't you ask him to republish then you can see for yourself.HYUFD said:
Was the 'Patrick Party' any different to UKIP?HurstLlama said:Gosh two quick replies then I am commanded to be off the Computer by Herself.
Firstly my thanks to all for the way adverts YouTube actually work. I find it much less "creepy" (tm Wanderer) now I understand the process a little more.
Secondly, and for Wanderer in particular, the Patrick Party Manifesto was certainly not "far out to the right". People from the Left and the Right were saying they would be happy to sign up to it.
It is amazing how much common ground their is once we can dump the labels and the tribalism.0 -
Well, I'm contemplating a post-Leave scenario in which Cameron's Tories have moved to the right and effectively merged with UKIP. Then you have a chasm between far left and far right with, er, Tim Farron in the middle.HYUFD said:
If I am around at the same time maybe but I fail to see how anyone cannot now roughly fit their views into one of the Greens, Corbyn's Labour, the LDs, Cameron's Tories or UKIPHurstLlama said:
Yes. He is here most days, why don't you ask him to republish then you can see for yourself.HYUFD said:
Was the 'Patrick Party' any different to UKIP?HurstLlama said:Gosh two quick replies then I am commanded to be off the Computer by Herself.
Firstly my thanks to all for the way adverts YouTube actually work. I find it much less "creepy" (tm Wanderer) now I understand the process a little more.
Secondly, and for Wanderer in particular, the Patrick Party Manifesto was certainly not "far out to the right". People from the Left and the Right were saying they would be happy to sign up to it.
It is amazing how much common ground their is once we can dump the labels and the tribalism.0 -
Trump has lit a flame that will leap around the world, and will certainly lick at the rotten timbers of our own corrupt Establishment.Wanderer said:
I think the majority of British voters have a strongly held negative view of Trump. It wouldn't matter what he said. His schtick works in his own country but he's not our cup of tea.RodCrosby said:
And do you think Trump would be so unsubtle?Wanderer said:
I think Cameron would be delighted if Trump would identify himself strongly with Leave.RodCrosby said:
"So, punk, your parliament of maladjusted intellectual pygmies wasted a whole day ejaculating over some motion, intending to ban me from your shores. Like, whatever happened to it? Does anyone know for sure?williamglenn said:http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-06-03/trump-plans-to-travel-to-u-k-day-before-brexit-referendum
Trump's changed the date of his UK visit to the day before the referendum.
Whatever... I'm here now. So, maybe you can receive me at Downing Street with the respect due to a possible POTUS. Wanna act the jerk, instead?
Hey Man, no problem.
Where's the nearest mike? I feel a press conference coming on... Some kinda vote happening tomorrow, so I hear..."
"Remember your vote tomorrow, folks. Lyin' Dave... Bible high, we're better off in the EU..."0 -
Trump has already said he backs Brexit anywayWanderer said:
They're already voting Leave.HYUFD said:
UKIP voters have a positive view of TrumpWanderer said:
I think the majority of British voters have a strongly held negative view of Trump. It wouldn't matter what he said. His schtick works in his own country but he's not our cup of tea.RodCrosby said:
And do you think Trump would be so unsubtle?Wanderer said:
I think Cameron would be delighted if Trump would identify himself strongly with Leave.RodCrosby said:
"So, punk, your parliament of maladjusted intellectual pygmies wasted a whole day ejaculating over some motion, intending to ban me from your shores. Like, whatever happened to it? Does anyone know for sure?williamglenn said:http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-06-03/trump-plans-to-travel-to-u-k-day-before-brexit-referendum
Trump's changed the date of his UK visit to the day before the referendum.
Whatever... I'm here now. So, maybe you can receive me at Downing Street with the respect due to a possible POTUS. Wanna act the jerk, instead?
Hey Man, no problem.
Where's the nearest mike? I feel a press conference coming on... Some kinda vote happening tomorrow, so I hear..."
"Remember your vote tomorrow, folks. Lyin' Dave... Bible high, we're better off in the EU..."0 -
I can't see that. You don't have to be a right wing Conservative to think we should be out of the EU whilst UKIP are moving onto Labour's turf in many ways.Wanderer said:
Well, I'm contemplating a post-Leave scenario in which Cameron's Tories have moved to the right and effectively merged with UKIP. Then you have a chasm between far left and far right with, er, Tim Farron in the middle.HYUFD said:
If I am around at the same time maybe but I fail to see how anyone cannot now roughly fit their views into one of the Greens, Corbyn's Labour, the LDs, Cameron's Tories or UKIPHurstLlama said:
Yes. He is here most days, why don't you ask him to republish then you can see for yourself.HYUFD said:
Was the 'Patrick Party' any different to UKIP?HurstLlama said:Gosh two quick replies then I am commanded to be off the Computer by Herself.
Firstly my thanks to all for the way adverts YouTube actually work. I find it much less "creepy" (tm Wanderer) now I understand the process a little more.
Secondly, and for Wanderer in particular, the Patrick Party Manifesto was certainly not "far out to the right". People from the Left and the Right were saying they would be happy to sign up to it.
It is amazing how much common ground their is once we can dump the labels and the tribalism.0 -
In a post-Leave scenario who knows there may emerge a more centrist force of Remain Tories and LDs but given that Leave would have won the referendum and Clegg's centrist LDs were massacred there would hardly be much demand for it! More likely anyway is a narrow Remain and Cameron followed by May or HammondWanderer said:
Well, I'm contemplating a post-Leave scenario in which Cameron's Tories have moved to the right and effectively merged with UKIP. Then you have a chasm between far left and far right with, er, Tim Farron in the middle.HYUFD said:
If I am around at the same time maybe but I fail to see how anyone cannot now roughly fit their views into one of the Greens, Corbyn's Labour, the LDs, Cameron's Tories or UKIPHurstLlama said:
Yes. He is here most days, why don't you ask him to republish then you can see for yourself.HYUFD said:
Was the 'Patrick Party' any different to UKIP?HurstLlama said:Gosh two quick replies then I am commanded to be off the Computer by Herself.
Firstly my thanks to all for the way adverts YouTube actually work. I find it much less "creepy" (tm Wanderer) now I understand the process a little more.
Secondly, and for Wanderer in particular, the Patrick Party Manifesto was certainly not "far out to the right". People from the Left and the Right were saying they would be happy to sign up to it.
It is amazing how much common ground their is once we can dump the labels and the tribalism.0 -
And there isn't a damn thing we can do to get rid of him.RobD said:
Are you sure he isn't just a European Farage?BenedictWhite said:Interesting video of Junker
https://twitter.com/ukipwebmaster/status/738873213409742849
Loved the comparing ties bit.0 -
Had to check the article as couldn't tell whether what you wrote was parody or a genuine quote!RodCrosby said:
"So, punk, your parliament of maladjusted intellectual pygmies wasted a whole day ejaculating over some motion, intending to ban me from your shores. Like, whatever happened to it? Does anyone know for sure?williamglenn said:http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-06-03/trump-plans-to-travel-to-u-k-day-before-brexit-referendum
Trump's changed the date of his UK visit to the day before the referendum.
Whatever... I'm here now. So, maybe you can receive me at Downing Street with the respect due to a possible POTUS. Wanna act the jerk, instead?
Hey Man, no problem.
Where's the nearest mike? I feel a press conference coming on... Some kinda vote happening tomorrow, so I hear..."0 -
According to the betting markets there is around a 40% chance that either Brexit happens or Trump becomes POTUS. However there's a lower than 10% chance of both. Therefore if you hate Trump you should vote Leave.Wanderer said:
I think the majority of British voters have a strongly held negative view of Trump. It wouldn't matter what he said. His schtick works in his own country but he's not our cup of tea.RodCrosby said:
And do you think Trump would be so unsubtle?Wanderer said:
I think Cameron would be delighted if Trump would identify himself strongly with Leave.RodCrosby said:
"So, punk, your parliament of maladjusted intellectual pygmies wasted a whole day ejaculating over some motion, intending to ban me from your shores. Like, whatever happened to it? Does anyone know for sure?williamglenn said:http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-06-03/trump-plans-to-travel-to-u-k-day-before-brexit-referendum
Trump's changed the date of his UK visit to the day before the referendum.
Whatever... I'm here now. So, maybe you can receive me at Downing Street with the respect due to a possible POTUS. Wanna act the jerk, instead?
Hey Man, no problem.
Where's the nearest mike? I feel a press conference coming on... Some kinda vote happening tomorrow, so I hear..."
"Remember your vote tomorrow, folks. Lyin' Dave... Bible high, we're better off in the EU..."
Well, it's no more ridiculous than a lot of claims in the referendum campaign so far...0 -
What is it with centerist remain tories?HYUFD said:
In a post-Leave scenario who knows there may emerge a more centrist force of Remain Tories and LDs but given that Leave would have won the referendum and Clegg's centrist LDs were massacred there would hardly be much demand for it! More likely anyway is a narrow Remain and Cameron followed by May or HammondWanderer said:
Well, I'm contemplating a post-Leave scenario in which Cameron's Tories have moved to the right and effectively merged with UKIP. Then you have a chasm between far left and far right with, er, Tim Farron in the middle.HYUFD said:
If I am around at the same time maybe but I fail to see how anyone cannot now roughly fit their views into one of the Greens, Corbyn's Labour, the LDs, Cameron's Tories or UKIPHurstLlama said:
Yes. He is here most days, why don't you ask him to republish then you can see for yourself.HYUFD said:
Was the 'Patrick Party' any different to UKIP?HurstLlama said:Gosh two quick replies then I am commanded to be off the Computer by Herself.
Firstly my thanks to all for the way adverts YouTube actually work. I find it much less "creepy" (tm Wanderer) now I understand the process a little more.
Secondly, and for Wanderer in particular, the Patrick Party Manifesto was certainly not "far out to the right". People from the Left and the Right were saying they would be happy to sign up to it.
It is amazing how much common ground their is once we can dump the labels and the tribalism.
The EU is not a left right centre issue. It is a right/wrong issue.
If we left, then that debate would be over. If the remain Conservatives wanted to go off and join the Liberal Democrats they could... but frankly I doubt many would.0 -
You can indeed. This was the whole argument Cameron had with the other member states where Cameron wanted the various leaders to pick the candidate with the traditional member-state stitch-up whereas the other member states wanted the candidate nominated by the group that got the most votes.Moses_ said:
Ok watched it. Then watched it again.
Please tell me this is a spoof. I can't see how it's a spoof but what the hell?
"Last night, sensational video emerged showing Juncker obviously drunk in public, hopping from foot to foot and slapping other EU leaders. A second member of the “Five Presidents”, Donald Tusk, stands next to him looking uneasy"
http://heatst.com/uk/five-presidents-eus-jean-claude-juncker-drunk-in-public-slaps-leaders/
Well at least I can vote him out the next time the election comes around.....
Oh wait...
The flaw in this whole thing for British voters is that it's not clear they'll have a way to vote *for* him, since the Tories have left the main centre-right group.0 -
So another week done, just 3 more weeks of froth to endure. Any more dorries or Bridgens whilst I was away?0
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Absolutely right. I've been chatting to a Labour constituency chair the past month and he reckons 1/3rd of his members are going to Vote Leave. And those are just the ones to fess up.BenedictWhite said:
What is it with centerist remain tories?HYUFD said:
In a post-Leave scenario who knows there may emerge a more centrist force of Remain Tories and LDs but given that Leave would have won the referendum and Clegg's centrist LDs were massacred there would hardly be much demand for it! More likely anyway is a narrow Remain and Cameron followed by May or HammondWanderer said:
Well, I'm contemplating a post-Leave scenario in which Cameron's Tories have moved to the right and effectively merged with UKIP. Then you have a chasm between far left and far right with, er, Tim Farron in the middle.HYUFD said:
If I am around at the same time maybe but I fail to see how anyone cannot now roughly fit their views into one of the Greens, Corbyn's Labour, the LDs, Cameron's Tories or UKIPHurstLlama said:
Yes. He is here most days, why don't you ask him to republish then you can see for yourself.HYUFD said:
Was the 'Patrick Party' any different to UKIP?HurstLlama said:Gosh two quick replies then I am commanded to be off the Computer by Herself.
Firstly my thanks to all for the way adverts YouTube actually work. I find it much less "creepy" (tm Wanderer) now I understand the process a little more.
Secondly, and for Wanderer in particular, the Patrick Party Manifesto was certainly not "far out to the right". People from the Left and the Right were saying they would be happy to sign up to it.
It is amazing how much common ground their is once we can dump the labels and the tribalism.
The EU is not a left right centre issue. It is a right/wrong issue.0 -
We should be thankful enough that the American world deigns to retain the word 'English' for our language without being too pompous, colonial and antediluvian about this sort of nomenclature.Scott_P said:
You mean The Open...HYUFD said:at the British Open a few years ago
It's the British Open now. Humility trumps arrogance.0 -
wikipedia (fount of all knowledge) still calls it "The" Open.Estobar said:
We should be thankful enough that the American world deigns to retain the word 'English' for our language without being too pompous, colonial and antediluvian about this sort of nomenclature.Scott_P said:
You mean The Open...HYUFD said:at the British Open a few years ago
It's the British Open now. Humility trumps arrogance. 0 -
RIP Cassius Ali.0
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The reaper strikes again. I think we may need to up the number of times we sing our anthem....FluffyThoughts said:RIP Cassius Ali.
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As much as I thought Gove did a decent job last night, I think he missed a trick. When he was asked about jobs, he was quite right to say that he can't guarantee that everyone who has a job now will keep it after Brexit. I would have gone further and said - "but the PM and Chancellor are being irresponsible by pretending that remaining in the EU will ensure perpetual economic growth, jobs and prosperity".
Unfortunately, Gove is still in the Cabinet and as such can't be seen to disagree with the status quo too much.0 -
That's an interesting essay. Well put.0
