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Matthew Goodwin has done some analysis and finds “The EU Referendum Events Project at the Universities of Kent and Nottingham, which is mapping campaign events in real time, shows Remain is far more active than Leave, the bulk of the activity on both sides is concentrated on London, and Brexit backers have yet to target northern England, which should be fertile ground for Eurosc…
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Twitter's just a noisebox.
However, number of events matters less than persuasive quality and whether you're getting an in-person echo chamber of diehard supporters or getting floating voters who may be swayed.0 -
I have been to 1 Remain and one Leave event. Both were preaching to the converted, and I think twitter does too. Overall the whole referendum seems only to appeal to a few enthusiasts.Morris_Dancer said:Twitter's just a noisebox.
However, number of events matters less than persuasive quality and whether you're getting an in-person echo chamber of diehard supporters or getting floating voters who may be swayed.0 -
Labour also had the better ground game last year....
And how many of the Remain events are the same people posing as different people as we saw in Kent and Sussex last week?0 -
I did say both metrics wouldn't be much use.SeanT said:Bit of a silly analysis, TSE (though I appreciate you have to generate headers, not always an easy thing).
For a start, it probably means nothing at all. LEAVE is just the more exciting choice so is bound to generate more social media activity. End of.
If there is any inference to be drawn, it's that a vaguely leftwing medium (which Twitter is) is intriguingly and surprisingly attracted to LEAVE, so that might imply more leftwing support for LEAVE than is presupposed... But even that is a stretch.
I had planned a major thread for this evening but had to put a filler piece instead until I get the latest TV show from Keiran (I was expecting it tomorrow but we're getting it tonight now)0 -
I can't detect any discernible pattern in that.0
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The EU Referendum Events Project at the Universities of Kent and Nottingham, which is mapping campaign events in real time, shows Remain is far more active than Leave, the bulk of the activity on both sides is concentrated on London...
The question for Remain though is just how effective preaching to the converted is.
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The question for Remain though is just how effective preaching to the converted is.brokenwheel said:The EU Referendum Events Project at the Universities of Kent and Nottingham, which is mapping campaign events in real time, shows Remain is far more active than Leave, the bulk of the activity on both sides is concentrated on London...
It kind of seems odd. That's not where most of the electorate are after all. Did Lenin say you have to start off by seizing the means of communication.0 -
So anyhoooo about the monty Hall problem..... ;-)0
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Sorry but garbage in = garbage out. In Bromley, Remain had an 'event' for which 2 people attended, vs 5 for leave. Are they equivalent?
None of my politically active Remain friends (predominantly lefties) have got involved with 'their' campaign. All the Leavers have.0 -
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Mr. T, the Remain child is the creepier, by a mile. Is that good for Leave or Remain?0
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It's interesting that Dundee or Yes City as we were somewhat embarrassingly tagged has yet to have any such events despite having 2 Universities.
It does rather accord with my perception that the SNP are not exactly busting a gut over this.0 -
The SNP cybernats were also far more active than Better Together backers on Twitter in the referendum there too0
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It's been an open secret for some time that the Leave ground campaign is poor.
I *am* Vote Leave for the 2,000+ homes and 5,000 residents where I live.0 -
The cult of Nicola is happy to support the Child Nationalisation Act, but the leadership know enough of their supporters back Leave not to shout Remain from the rooftops.DavidL said:It's interesting that Dundee or Yes City as we were somewhat embarrassingly tagged has yet to have any such events despite having 2 Universities.
It does rather accord with my perception that the SNP are not exactly busting a gut over this.0 -
Labour won the twitte war in 2015 we know how that worked out........
Seriously though it's about the quality of the events not the number.0 -
If Tim "Monty" Montgomerie opens one door to reveal a Gove, should you switch?FrancisUrquhart said:So anyhoooo about the monty Hall problem..... ;-)
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The ideal tweeter would be a Labour, SNP or UKIP voter angry at life and the establishment in general. A conservative, pro European, Unionist by contrast would probably not be seen dead on Twitter unless his name was Lord Deben or Nicholas Soames!SeanT said:Bit of a silly analysis, TSE (though I appreciate you have to generate headers, not always an easy thing).
For a start, it probably means nothing at all. LEAVE is just the more exciting choice so is bound to generate more social media activity. End of.
If there is any inference to be drawn, it's that a vaguely leftwing medium (which Twitter is) is intriguingly and surprisingly attracted to LEAVE, so that might imply more leftwing support for LEAVE than is presupposed... But even that is a stretch.0 -
They couldn't ask for betterCasino_Royale said:It's been an open secret for some time that the Leave ground campaign is poor.
I *am* Vote Leave for the 2,000+ homes and 5,000 residents where I live.
I know we haven't been perfect, but does Remain even exist in your town?0 -
ScottP will tell us you have a 50:50 chance of getting a Boris or Farage regardless...Jobabob said:
If Tim "Monty" Montgomerie opens one door to reveal a Gove, should you switch?FrancisUrquhart said:So anyhoooo about the monty Hall problem..... ;-)
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It just gets worse and worse: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-36425310RoyalBlue said:
The cult of Nicola is happy to support the Child Nationalisation Act, but the leadership know enough of their supporters back Leave not to shout Remain from the rooftops.DavidL said:It's interesting that Dundee or Yes City as we were somewhat embarrassingly tagged has yet to have any such events despite having 2 Universities.
It does rather accord with my perception that the SNP are not exactly busting a gut over this.0 -
Had wondered if it was your next book cover.SeanT said:
My theory is that the LEAVE campaign had this brilliant idea first: let's get a small girl to grimace eerily but pointlessly, just on the right of the frame, during a REMAIN press conference, but make sure she's so far away nobody really noticesMorris_Dancer said:Mr. T, the Remain child is the creepier, by a mile. Is that good for Leave or Remain?
But now REMAIN has retaliated in kind, and got a girl to do the same to LEAVE, again in an eerie but pointless way that nobody really notices and makes no sense.
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Those odds are way too short for my liking!FrancisUrquhart said:
ScottP will tell us your have a 50:50 chance of getting a Boris or Farage regardless...Jobabob said:
If Tim "Monty" Montgomerie opens one door to reveal a Gove, should you switch?FrancisUrquhart said:So anyhoooo about the monty Hall problem..... ;-)
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Remain one makes perfect sense. David Cameron is the dead person.SeanT said:I'm sorry, but this is weird
https://twitter.com/thomasknox/status/7380565398654853130 -
Mr. T, one of them should hire the girl from the first scene in the first episode of Game of Thrones.
She looks like a mannequin she's so good at being still, but it's actually a real (and creepy as hell) actress.0 -
This campaign is not doing a lot for our tie industry is it?TOPPING said:
Remain one makes perfect sense. David Cameron is the dead person.SeanT said:I'm sorry, but this is weird
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At the Hay telegraph debate yesterday, 100% of male Leave participants were wearing ties, while 33% of Remain ones were.DavidL said:
This campaign is not doing a lot for our tie industry is it?TOPPING said:
Remain one makes perfect sense. David Cameron is the dead person.SeanT said:I'm sorry, but this is weird
https://twitter.com/thomasknox/status/738056539865485313
Make. Of. That. What. You. Will.0 -
Mr. Topping, sartorial elegance supports Leave.
Scruffy ragamuffins and unkempt tatterdemalions support Remain?
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Thanks. No, but I seem to attract Remainers. I've had two very cross Remainers either harangue me or follow me down the street to hand back a leaflet whilst out campaigning.RoyalBlue said:
They couldn't ask for betterCasino_Royale said:It's been an open secret for some time that the Leave ground campaign is poor.
I *am* Vote Leave for the 2,000+ homes and 5,000 residents where I live.
I know we haven't been perfect, but does Remain even exist in your town?
I don't know if this means anything, but quite a few Union Jacks and St. George's Cross flags have been going up around the village over the last week or two.
I counted at least nine on my drive home from the station tonight.0 -
That's a stat that makes me want to vote Leave.TOPPING said:
At the Hay telegraph debate yesterday, 100% of male Leave participants were wearing ties, while 33% of Remain ones were.DavidL said:
This campaign is not doing a lot for our tie industry is it?TOPPING said:
Remain one makes perfect sense. David Cameron is the dead person.SeanT said:I'm sorry, but this is weird
https://twitter.com/thomasknox/status/738056539865485313
Make. Of. That. What. You. Will.
I'm a founding member of the campaign for real ties, not those sodding thin ties, that are less wide than dental floss.
And don't even get me started on those bell ends, who tie their ties in such a way that the front part of the tie is shorter than the back part.
You can tell I'm very fashion conscious can't you.0 -
I'm the King of sartorial elegance and I'm backing Remain.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Topping, sartorial elegance supports Leave.
Scruffy ragamuffins and unkempt tatterdemalions support Remain?0 -
Mr. Royale, do you wear a tie?
If not, try putting one on. It may be the next best thing to Remain-repellent batspray.0 -
@TSE I'm wearing a thin tie today. I am utterly unrepentant.0
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Saw a discarded (or lost) school tie the other day. The front part looked normal but it was attached to a circle of wide elastic. Is that how 'ties' are, these days?TheScreamingEagles said:
That's a stat that makes me want to vote Leave.TOPPING said:
At the Hay telegraph debate yesterday, 100% of male Leave participants were wearing ties, while 33% of Remain ones were.DavidL said:
This campaign is not doing a lot for our tie industry is it?TOPPING said:
Remain one makes perfect sense. David Cameron is the dead person.SeanT said:I'm sorry, but this is weird
https://twitter.com/thomasknox/status/738056539865485313
Make. Of. That. What. You. Will.
I'm a founding member of the campaign for real ties, not those sodding thin ties, that are less wide than dental floss.
And don't even get me started on those bell ends, who tie their ties in such a way that the front part of the tie is shorter than the back part.
You can tell I'm very fashion conscious can't you.
(edited to add: evening, everybody)0 -
I have noted that the tie has become increasingly unpopular for London mayors. Sadiq, while undeniably a snappy dresser, is rarely seen wearing one. Boris, too, was often without neckwear. Their predecessor Ken was, by contrast, a relatively committed tie-wearer while mayor.0
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Leave have a strong ground game in Luton and Dunstable and surrounding villages.0
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What is perturbing here is whether she took votes from eurosceptic voters to beat Anna Firth in the closely fought primary only to turncoat now. "Eurosceptic" neighbouring MP for Chatham and Aylesford Tracey Crouch now a gov't minister is yet to declare. Will she also put her career above her principles?LucyJones said:
Her rival for the nomination, Anna Firth, has been actively campaigning for Brexit in Sevenoaks and beyond.Richard_Tyndall said:
Not sure anyone should be surprised about this. Just another dishonest politician who will say and do anything to get elected. Hopefully another one destined for the scrapheap of history.Sunil_Prasannan said:Looks like it isn't Reckless who is the real TPD in Rochester!
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Agreed - and even worse, the 'fat knot' tie-wearer.TheScreamingEagles said:
That's a stat that makes me want to vote Leave.TOPPING said:
At the Hay telegraph debate yesterday, 100% of male Leave participants were wearing ties, while 33% of Remain ones were.DavidL said:
This campaign is not doing a lot for our tie industry is it?TOPPING said:
Remain one makes perfect sense. David Cameron is the dead person.SeanT said:I'm sorry, but this is weird
https://twitter.com/thomasknox/status/738056539865485313
Make. Of. That. What. You. Will.
I'm a founding member of the campaign for real ties, not those sodding thin ties, that are less wide than dental floss.
And don't even get me started on those bell ends, who tie their ties in such a way that the front part of the tie is shorter than the back part.
You can tell I'm very fashion conscious can't you.
Ties should be tight with a small knot.
Anecdote alert: last week someone asked me if I was wearing a Buller tie. Luckily, I already knew it was similar...0 -
Mr. Eagles, you're closer to being the Queen of Bithynia.0
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British politicians are appallingly dressed. British men - on the whole, to be honest. (I now expect a load of posts from TSE pointing out his exquisite taste in shoes so I will exempt him from the charge.) They can't do casual and seem wholly unacquainted with mirrors. And the suits these days are an abomination. They rarely fit and those stupid skinny suits make men look like Victorian bank clerks.Jobabob said:I have noted that the tie has become increasingly unpopular for London mayors. Sadiq, while undeniably a snappy dresser, is rarely seen wearing one. Boris, too, was often without neckwear. Their predecessor Ken was, by contrast, a relatively committed tie-wearer while mayor.
And men with long dirty fingernails should be executed, frankly. Unless they're Monty Don - and even then they should keep them short.
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Well when I was still running my business we had company ties, and special elasticated drivers ties, I always insisted the drivers wore a tie on customers premises, the elasticated were quick to put on, and a bit safer especially as we worked on industrial sites.AnneJGP said:
Saw a discarded (or lost) school tie the other day. The front part looked normal but it was attached to a circle of wide elastic. Is that how 'ties' are, these days?TheScreamingEagles said:
That's a stat that makes me want to vote Leave.TOPPING said:
At the Hay telegraph debate yesterday, 100% of male Leave participants were wearing ties, while 33% of Remain ones were.DavidL said:
This campaign is not doing a lot for our tie industry is it?TOPPING said:
Remain one makes perfect sense. David Cameron is the dead person.SeanT said:I'm sorry, but this is weird
https://twitter.com/thomasknox/status/738056539865485313
Make. Of. That. What. You. Will.
I'm a founding member of the campaign for real ties, not those sodding thin ties, that are less wide than dental floss.
And don't even get me started on those bell ends, who tie their ties in such a way that the front part of the tie is shorter than the back part.
You can tell I'm very fashion conscious can't you.
(edited to add: evening, everybody)0 -
From Twitter, reported shooting at UCLA (via the CNN official Twitter account).0
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Daniel Craig's James Bond being a case in point.Cyclefree said:
British politicians are appallingly dressed. British men - on the whole, to be honest. (I now expect a load of posts from TSE pointing out his exquisite taste in shoes so I will exempt him from the charge.) They can't do casual and seem wholly unacquainted with mirrors. And the suits these days are an abomination. They rarely fit and those stupid skinny suits make men look like Victorian bank clerks.Jobabob said:I have noted that the tie has become increasingly unpopular for London mayors. Sadiq, while undeniably a snappy dresser, is rarely seen wearing one. Boris, too, was often without neckwear. Their predecessor Ken was, by contrast, a relatively committed tie-wearer while mayor.
And men with long dirty fingernails should be executed, frankly. Unless they're Monty Don - and even then they should keep them short.
Ghastly, naff, urgh.0 -
On topic, the other day Mr Palmer said that Remain were doing a big stall in Hampstead High Street. If Remain are wasting their efforts in places like Hampstead, I'm not sure how good their ground game will turn out to be.
Hampstead should be a shoo-in for Remain.0 -
The suit wearers that make me wince are those who obviously went to the tailor and asked for their trousers to be made two inches too-sodding-short.Cyclefree said:
British politicians are appallingly dressed. British men - on the whole, to be honest. (I now expect a load of posts from TSE pointing out his exquisite taste in shoes so I will exempt him from the charge.) They can't do casual and seem wholly unacquainted with mirrors. And the suits these days are an abomination. They rarely fit and those stupid skinny suits make men look like Victorian bank clerks.Jobabob said:I have noted that the tie has become increasingly unpopular for London mayors. Sadiq, while undeniably a snappy dresser, is rarely seen wearing one. Boris, too, was often without neckwear. Their predecessor Ken was, by contrast, a relatively committed tie-wearer while mayor.
And men with long dirty fingernails should be executed, frankly. Unless they're Monty Don - and even then they should keep them short.
Trousers should break once, somewhere between the top of the shin and the shoe according to taste.0 -
When your Stella-ed up neighbours are tearing chunks out of each other at their barbecue, it's always more fun (& smarter) watching than getting directly involved.RoyalBlue said:
The cult of Nicola is happy to support the Child Nationalisation Act, but the leadership know enough of their supporters back Leave not to shout Remain from the rooftops.DavidL said:It's interesting that Dundee or Yes City as we were somewhat embarrassingly tagged has yet to have any such events despite having 2 Universities.
It does rather accord with my perception that the SNP are not exactly busting a gut over this.0 -
Conversing (via smiles and hand signals) with my neighbour's Polish builders (English language skills: zero), I wondered how high, using the Australia points system, builders, labourers, plumbers, etc would score.Cyclefree said:On topic, the other day Mr Palmer said that Remain were doing a big stall in Hampstead High Street. If Remain are wasting their efforts in places like Hampstead, I'm not sure how good their ground game will turn out to be.
Hampstead should be a shoo-in for Remain.0 -
He's quite short too.TOPPING said:
Daniel Craig's James Bond being a case in point.Cyclefree said:
British politicians are appallingly dressed. British men - on the whole, to be honest. (I now expect a load of posts from TSE pointing out his exquisite taste in shoes so I will exempt him from the charge.) They can't do casual and seem wholly unacquainted with mirrors. And the suits these days are an abomination. They rarely fit and those stupid skinny suits make men look like Victorian bank clerks.Jobabob said:I have noted that the tie has become increasingly unpopular for London mayors. Sadiq, while undeniably a snappy dresser, is rarely seen wearing one. Boris, too, was often without neckwear. Their predecessor Ken was, by contrast, a relatively committed tie-wearer while mayor.
And men with long dirty fingernails should be executed, frankly. Unless they're Monty Don - and even then they should keep them short.
Ghastly, naff, urgh.
I note that Amal Clooney was wearing a dress the other day that looked like she'd taken some deck chair material and tied it round herself in the shape of a bag. She looked like a bare root rose when it's been delivered and is surrounded by shapeless packaging material.
Apparently the designer is the latest thing.....
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Alexei Sayle famously said that he went to his tailors, had them make a perfectly fitting suit, and then asked them to take it in two inches everywhere..Mortimer said:
The suit wearers that make me wince are those who obviously went to the tailor and asked for their trousers to be made two inches too-sodding-short.Cyclefree said:
British politicians are appallingly dressed. British men - on the whole, to be honest. (I now expect a load of posts from TSE pointing out his exquisite taste in shoes so I will exempt him from the charge.) They can't do casual and seem wholly unacquainted with mirrors. And the suits these days are an abomination. They rarely fit and those stupid skinny suits make men look like Victorian bank clerks.Jobabob said:I have noted that the tie has become increasingly unpopular for London mayors. Sadiq, while undeniably a snappy dresser, is rarely seen wearing one. Boris, too, was often without neckwear. Their predecessor Ken was, by contrast, a relatively committed tie-wearer while mayor.
And men with long dirty fingernails should be executed, frankly. Unless they're Monty Don - and even then they should keep them short.
Trousers should break once, somewhere between the top of the shin and the shoe according to taste.0 -
Yet in mid beds (Dorriesland) there is hardly a poster to be seenSean_F said:Leave have a strong ground game in Luton and Dunstable and surrounding villages.
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Miss Cyclefree, weirdly, a couple of ladies complimented me (in the past) on my fingernails. I was so surprised I wasn't sure if they were taking the piss, but I think they meant it.0
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I have used the same English builders for the last 25 years. And bloody good they are too. Busy as well.TOPPING said:
Conversing (via smiles and hand signals) with my neighbour's Polish builders (English language skills: zero), I wondered how high, using the Australia points system, builders, labourers, plumbers, etc would score.Cyclefree said:On topic, the other day Mr Palmer said that Remain were doing a big stall in Hampstead High Street. If Remain are wasting their efforts in places like Hampstead, I'm not sure how good their ground game will turn out to be.
Hampstead should be a shoo-in for Remain.
We would do well to have proper building apprenticeships in this country. Learning how to build and build well is a worthwhile skill.0 -
I get the feeling that everyone is now bored with the referendum and just want to get it over with, even everyone here judging by the posts today. It aeems to have morphed into a solve the riddle site.
Out of interest will it be counted the next morning or with no exit poll will we have to stay up half the night for the first indication as to what ia going on.
If it is only being announced regionally I guess there is no prospect of Sunderland revealing the first result un an hour flat.0 -
Sure, but it's all about turnout, both right now (in terms of getting helpers to do stuff) and on the 23rd. It might have been better if all those Hampstead campaigners had wafted over to, say, Peterborough, but most people are focused on helping in their own area, and it's not absolutely clear that if they'd all been in Peterborough that it would have mobilised more Remainers.Cyclefree said:On topic, the other day Mr Palmer said that Remain were doing a big stall in Hampstead High Street. If Remain are wasting their efforts in places like Hampstead, I'm not sure how good their ground game will turn out to be.
Hampstead should be a shoo-in for Remain.0 -
It's something I notice. A man's hands can be very appealing. But long fingernails are a total turn-off.Morris_Dancer said:Miss Cyclefree, weirdly, a couple of ladies complimented me (in the past) on my fingernails. I was so surprised I wasn't sure if they were taking the piss, but I think they meant it.
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Clearly one lot was smarter than the other. QED.TOPPING said:
At the Hay telegraph debate yesterday, 100% of male Leave participants were wearing ties, while 33% of Remain ones were.DavidL said:
This campaign is not doing a lot for our tie industry is it?TOPPING said:
Remain one makes perfect sense. David Cameron is the dead person.SeanT said:I'm sorry, but this is weird
https://twitter.com/thomasknox/status/738056539865485313
Make. Of. That. What. You. Will.0 -
My father was a London bus driver up to the mid-80s and his uniform "tie" was clip-on, so an abusive passenger couldn't try to strangle him with it. Those police forces that still wear ties (if there are any left in the UK) do the same.jayfdee said:
Well when I was still running my business we had company ties, and special elasticated drivers ties, I always insisted the drivers wore a tie on customers premises, the elasticated were quick to put on, and a bit safer especially as we worked on industrial sites.AnneJGP said:
Saw a discarded (or lost) school tie the other day. The front part looked normal but it was attached to a circle of wide elastic. Is that how 'ties' are, these days?TheScreamingEagles said:
That's a stat that makes me want to vote Leave.TOPPING said:
At the Hay telegraph debate yesterday, 100% of male Leave participants were wearing ties, while 33% of Remain ones were.DavidL said:
This campaign is not doing a lot for our tie industry is it?TOPPING said:
Remain one makes perfect sense. David Cameron is the dead person.SeanT said:I'm sorry, but this is weird
https://twitter.com/thomasknox/status/738056539865485313
Make. Of. That. What. You. Will.
I'm a founding member of the campaign for real ties, not those sodding thin ties, that are less wide than dental floss.
And don't even get me started on those bell ends, who tie their ties in such a way that the front part of the tie is shorter than the back part.
You can tell I'm very fashion conscious can't you.
(edited to add: evening, everybody)0 -
No surprise at all.Norm said:
What is perturbing here is whether she took votes from eurosceptic voters to beat Anna Firth in the closely fought primary only to turncoat now. "Eurosceptic" neighbouring MP for Chatham and Aylesford Tracey Crouch now a gov't minister is yet to declare. Will she also put her career above her principles?LucyJones said:
Her rival for the nomination, Anna Firth, has been actively campaigning for Brexit in Sevenoaks and beyond.Richard_Tyndall said:
Not sure anyone should be surprised about this. Just another dishonest politician who will say and do anything to get elected. Hopefully another one destined for the scrapheap of history.Sunil_Prasannan said:Looks like it isn't Reckless who is the real TPD in Rochester!
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Thanks. It's the second time I've seem them in the high street. I've seen a Remain stall in West Hampstead as well. It just seemed odd to me. I'd have thought that a lot of the electorate would be likely to vote in any event. But I can see that from the point of view of the campaigns every vote counts.NickPalmer said:
Sure, but it's all about turnout, both right now (in terms of getting helpers to do stuff) and on the 23rd. It might have been better if all those Hampstead campaigners had wafted over to, say, Peterborough, but most people are focused on helping in their own area, and it's not absolutely clear that if they'd all been in Peterborough that it would have mobilised more Remainers.Cyclefree said:On topic, the other day Mr Palmer said that Remain were doing a big stall in Hampstead High Street. If Remain are wasting their efforts in places like Hampstead, I'm not sure how good their ground game will turn out to be.
Hampstead should be a shoo-in for Remain.
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I see the idea that Remain supporters can't have principles is re-emerging onthread.0
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Can you tie your own bow tie? (I detest clip-ons).TheScreamingEagles said:
That's a stat that makes me want to vote Leave.TOPPING said:
At the Hay telegraph debate yesterday, 100% of male Leave participants were wearing ties, while 33% of Remain ones were.DavidL said:
This campaign is not doing a lot for our tie industry is it?TOPPING said:
Remain one makes perfect sense. David Cameron is the dead person.SeanT said:I'm sorry, but this is weird
https://twitter.com/thomasknox/status/738056539865485313
Make. Of. That. What. You. Will.
I'm a founding member of the campaign for real ties, not those sodding thin ties, that are less wide than dental floss.
And don't even get me started on those bell ends, who tie their ties in such a way that the front part of the tie is shorter than the back part.
You can tell I'm very fashion conscious can't you.0 -
Mr. rpjs, supermarket staff have similar ties.
Miss Cyclefree, that sort of thing baffles me. But, there we are.
Anyway, I must be off.0 -
In late afternoon London trading, the pound was at $1.4413, down from $1.4478 late in New York on Tuesday.
So based on yesterday's comments about the interaction between the outcome of the referendum and the exchange rate, today's fall in the pound means we can expect a vote to LEAVE. Buy $s.0 -
I can, learned how to do so from the age of sevenSean_F said:
Can you tie your own bow tie? (I detest clip-ons).TheScreamingEagles said:
That's a stat that makes me want to vote Leave.TOPPING said:
At the Hay telegraph debate yesterday, 100% of male Leave participants were wearing ties, while 33% of Remain ones were.DavidL said:
This campaign is not doing a lot for our tie industry is it?TOPPING said:
Remain one makes perfect sense. David Cameron is the dead person.SeanT said:I'm sorry, but this is weird
https://twitter.com/thomasknox/status/738056539865485313
Make. Of. That. What. You. Will.
I'm a founding member of the campaign for real ties, not those sodding thin ties, that are less wide than dental floss.
And don't even get me started on those bell ends, who tie their ties in such a way that the front part of the tie is shorter than the back part.
You can tell I'm very fashion conscious can't you.0 -
It's not they they can't have them, it's that they need to be told which ones to have.AlastairMeeks said:I see the idea that Remain supporters can't have principles is re-emerging onthread.
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Local agents/tellers will presumably know the outcome and tweet them.Paul_Bedfordshire said:I get the feeling that everyone is now bored with the referendum and just want to get it over with, even everyone here judging by the posts today. It aeems to have morphed into a solve the riddle site.
Out of interest will it be counted the next morning or with no exit poll will we have to stay up half the night for the first indication as to what ia going on.
If it is only being announced regionally I guess there is no prospect of Sunderland revealing the first result un an hour flat.
However, we don't know which constituencies will be representative of the country as a whole.
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I guess West Hampstead might attract a few commuters if you put the stall between the Thameslink and Tube stations, but frankly if Remain need to work hard to get Jez and Quin and the rest of the Its grim up North London yoghurt knitters onside they really are in trouble.Cyclefree said:
Thanks. It's the second time I've seem them in the high street. I've seen a Remain stall in West Hampstead as well. It just seemed odd to me. I'd have thought that a lot of the electorate would be likely to vote in any event. But I can see that from the point of view of the campaigns every vote counts.NickPalmer said:
Sure, but it's all about turnout, both right now (in terms of getting helpers to do stuff) and on the 23rd. It might have been better if all those Hampstead campaigners had wafted over to, say, Peterborough, but most people are focused on helping in their own area, and it's not absolutely clear that if they'd all been in Peterborough that it would have mobilised more Remainers.Cyclefree said:On topic, the other day Mr Palmer said that Remain were doing a big stall in Hampstead High Street. If Remain are wasting their efforts in places like Hampstead, I'm not sure how good their ground game will turn out to be.
Hampstead should be a shoo-in for Remain.
Compare with Bedfordshire where leave are doing zilch in Midbeds Dorriesland but are apparently out in Luton and Dunstable persuading Labour voters to vote leave0 -
Decided against canvassing for Leave.
Was afraid of this scenario:
Voter: Will I need a visa to travel to Europe
Me: We just don't know.0 -
Surely the answer to that is Do you need a visa to Travel to Iceland, Switzerland or Canada, No. So highly unlikely.nunu said:Decided against canvassing for Leave.
Was afraid of this scenario:
Voter: Will I need a visa to travel to Europe
Me: We just don't know.0 -
Sean Connery was the best Bond.TOPPING said:
Daniel Craig's James Bond being a case in point.Cyclefree said:
British politicians are appallingly dressed. British men - on the whole, to be honest. (I now expect a load of posts from TSE pointing out his exquisite taste in shoes so I will exempt him from the charge.) They can't do casual and seem wholly unacquainted with mirrors. And the suits these days are an abomination. They rarely fit and those stupid skinny suits make men look like Victorian bank clerks.Jobabob said:I have noted that the tie has become increasingly unpopular for London mayors. Sadiq, while undeniably a snappy dresser, is rarely seen wearing one. Boris, too, was often without neckwear. Their predecessor Ken was, by contrast, a relatively committed tie-wearer while mayor.
And men with long dirty fingernails should be executed, frankly. Unless they're Monty Don - and even then they should keep them short.
Ghastly, naff, urgh.0 -
Probably quite high on the grounds that tradesmen seem to be desperately short supply. I have been trying for months and months to find people to do work on my house. All I require is that they are competent, honest and not mobile phone number cash in hand cowboys. I have eventually found someone to do the guttering and patio, bloody good bloke too (from Eastern Europe needless to say), but I still cannot find anyone to repoint the South East Corner of the house. I have had a couple of chaps round to look at the job but neither of them have bothered to submit a quote. Double glazing is the same as is the shed roof. Friends and neighbours tell me they find the same, just cannot get honest people to work.TOPPING said:
Conversing (via smiles and hand signals) with my neighbour's Polish builders (English language skills: zero), I wondered how high, using the Australia points system, builders, labourers, plumbers, etc would score.Cyclefree said:On topic, the other day Mr Palmer said that Remain were doing a big stall in Hampstead High Street. If Remain are wasting their efforts in places like Hampstead, I'm not sure how good their ground game will turn out to be.
Hampstead should be a shoo-in for Remain.
I think the problem is that there is so much building going on in the South East that the good people find it easier to work on new builds as a sub-contractor. So in terms of skills shortages East European tradesmen (or indeed tradesmen from anywhere in the world) should do well in the point count and quite right too.0 -
I always buy ready made, off the peg trousers. I know I am 32 inch leg.Mortimer said:
The suit wearers that make me wince are those who obviously went to the tailor and asked for their trousers to be made two inches too-sodding-short.Cyclefree said:
British politicians are appallingly dressed. British men - on the whole, to be honest. (I now expect a load of posts from TSE pointing out his exquisite taste in shoes so I will exempt him from the charge.) They can't do casual and seem wholly unacquainted with mirrors. And the suits these days are an abomination. They rarely fit and those stupid skinny suits make men look like Victorian bank clerks.Jobabob said:I have noted that the tie has become increasingly unpopular for London mayors. Sadiq, while undeniably a snappy dresser, is rarely seen wearing one. Boris, too, was often without neckwear. Their predecessor Ken was, by contrast, a relatively committed tie-wearer while mayor.
And men with long dirty fingernails should be executed, frankly. Unless they're Monty Don - and even then they should keep them short.
Trousers should break once, somewhere between the top of the shin and the shoe according to taste.
However, there has been a recent trend for companies to offer only 31 inch or 33 inch. Must be an EU regulation. 0 -
Indeed but if we can get a few in before Midnight and compare turnoit and vote with previous elections it will give an indication if it is worth staying up and being a zombie the next day for.David_Evershed said:
Local agents/tellers will presumably know the outcome and tweet them.Paul_Bedfordshire said:I get the feeling that everyone is now bored with the referendum and just want to get it over with, even everyone here judging by the posts today. It aeems to have morphed into a solve the riddle site.
Out of interest will it be counted the next morning or with no exit poll will we have to stay up half the night for the first indication as to what ia going on.
If it is only being announced regionally I guess there is no prospect of Sunderland revealing the first result un an hour flat.
However, we don't know which constituencies will be representative of the country as a whole.0 -
If I were running it, this week would be all about registration - have sat-enabled internet terminal stands in all the low-registration places (it's estimated that registration of eligible voters is under 50% in some parts of London). The problem could be that lots of people don't know their NI numbers by heart (me for one), but when I raised that here before I was assured that most people do.Cyclefree said:
Thanks. It's the second time I've seem them in the high street. I've seen a Remain stall in West Hampstead as well. It just seemed odd to me. I'd have thought that a lot of the electorate would be likely to vote in any event. But I can see that from the point of view of the campaigns every vote counts.NickPalmer said:
Sure, but it's all about turnout, both right now (in terms of getting helpers to do stuff) and on the 23rd. It might have been better if all those Hampstead campaigners had wafted over to, say, Peterborough, but most people are focused on helping in their own area, and it's not absolutely clear that if they'd all been in Peterborough that it would have mobilised more Remainers.Cyclefree said:On topic, the other day Mr Palmer said that Remain were doing a big stall in Hampstead High Street. If Remain are wasting their efforts in places like Hampstead, I'm not sure how good their ground game will turn out to be.
Hampstead should be a shoo-in for Remain.0 -
Been that for years in M&S. Yours 31lyDavid_Evershed said:
I always buy ready made, off the peg trousers. I know I am 32 inch leg.Mortimer said:
The suit wearers that make me wince are those who obviously went to the tailor and asked for their trousers to be made two inches too-sodding-short.Cyclefree said:
British politicians are appallingly dressed. British men - on the whole, to be honest. (I now expect a load of posts from TSE pointing out his exquisite taste in shoes so I will exempt him from the charge.) They can't do casual and seem wholly unacquainted with mirrors. And the suits these days are an abomination. They rarely fit and those stupid skinny suits make men look like Victorian bank clerks.Jobabob said:I have noted that the tie has become increasingly unpopular for London mayors. Sadiq, while undeniably a snappy dresser, is rarely seen wearing one. Boris, too, was often without neckwear. Their predecessor Ken was, by contrast, a relatively committed tie-wearer while mayor.
And men with long dirty fingernails should be executed, frankly. Unless they're Monty Don - and even then they should keep them short.
Trousers should break once, somewhere between the top of the shin and the shoe according to taste.
However, there has been a recent trend for companies to offer only 31 inch or 33 inch. Must be an EU regulation.0 -
You mentioned earlier today that you thought that we were nowhere near the country's population limits, especially given technological advances etc.AlastairMeeks said:I see the idea that Remain supporters can't have principles is re-emerging onthread.
I can see the force of the point you are making but I just wanted to suggest two points:-
1. Most of the migration will head for the areas of demand and growth which is overwhelmingly concentrated in London and the South East. That places a lot of strain on a relatively small area and further accentuates a divide between it and much of the rest of the UK. So a figure of, say, 80 million is not equally spread out over a large country - a large part is concentrated. That concentration may well place more constraints on further growth.
2. There are large areas of the UK which are not very inhabited but (a) that may be for a good reason i.e. not much reason for anyone to want to live there; and (b) the very space/green lungs and houses with gardens which are seen as desirable become impossible save for the very few as a result of an increase in numbers. So it's not just about whether we can accommodate more but about what that means for the style of life we have, our urban and country environment, for how we live and what our idea of home is.
I was brought up for parts of my childhood in Naples - a noisy, filthy, uber-urban city with scarcely a blade of grass anywhere in the place. I loved it. But I had Ireland too and a garden in which to play and Hampstead Heath. I think that part of the concern with an increasing population is that it will change a very English view of what the ideal or desirable life is - house and garden and a bit of space. That sense of space, that desire to have a bit of England which people can call their own is not to be dismissed lightly. Just because we can fit more and more people in does not necessarily mean we should. We ought to have the choice.
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Travel isn't the issue. It's the right to work and live that's the concern. Try moving to the US to work without expensive lawyers like Fragomen. It would be a disaster if we had to experience anything similar to take a job in France.Paul_Bedfordshire said:
Surely the answer to that is Do you need a visa to Travel to Iceland, Switzerland or Canada, No. So highly unlikely.nunu said:Decided against canvassing for Leave.
Was afraid of this scenario:
Voter: Will I need a visa to travel to Europe
Me: We just don't know.0 -
Two Leaves and one Remain poster here in my part of Cardiff Central so statistically meaningless . Zero other activity I can see locally ( though there have been stalls in the city centre) nor much of a topic of conversation either. Given Cardiff Central had a strong AV vote the other year I sort of assume an easy Remain win locally. If not they are doomed beyond belief I'd think, but I suppose the result will be announced with the rest of Wales so no chance of it indicating anything before the fact.0
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I would say we were at the population limit when the British Isles is no longer capable of food self sufficiency.Cyclefree said:
You mentioned earlier today that you thought that we were nowhere near the country's population limits, especially given technological advances etc.AlastairMeeks said:I see the idea that Remain supporters can't have principles is re-emerging onthread.
I can see the force of the point you are making but I just wanted to suggest two points:-
1. Most of the migration will head for the areas of demand and growth which is overwhelmingly concentrated in London and the South East. That places a lot of strain on a relatively small area and further accentuates a divide between it and much of the rest of the UK. So a figure of, say, 80 million is not equally spread out over a large country - a large part is concentrated. That concentration may well place more constraints on further growth.
2. There are large areas of the UK which are not very inhabited but (a) that may be for a good reason i.e. not much reason for anyone to want to live there; and (b) the very space/green lungs and houses with gardens which are seen as desirable become impossible save for the very few as a result of an increase in numbers. So it's not just about whether we can accommodate more but about what that means for the style of life we have, our urban and country environment, for how we live and what our idea of home is.
I was brought up for parts of my childhood in Naples - a noisy, filthy, uber-urban city with scarcely a blade of grass anywhere in the place. I loved it. But I had Ireland too and a garden in which to play and Hampstead Heath. I think that part of the concern with an increasing population is that it will change a very English view of what the ideal or desirable life is - house and garden and a bit of space. That sense of space, that desire for to have a bit of England which people can call their own is not to be dismissed lightly. Just because we can fit more and more people in does not necessarily mean we should. We ought to have the choice.0 -
You: no.nunu said:Decided against canvassing for Leave.
Was afraid of this scenario:
Voter: Will I need a visa to travel to Europe
Me: We just don't know.
Simples.0 -
Disaster for who?williamglenn said:
Travel isn't the issue. It's the right to work and live that's the concern. Try moving to the US to work without expensive lawyers like Fragomen. It would be a disaster if we had to experience anything similar to take a job in France.Paul_Bedfordshire said:
Surely the answer to that is Do you need a visa to Travel to Iceland, Switzerland or Canada, No. So highly unlikely.nunu said:Decided against canvassing for Leave.
Was afraid of this scenario:
Voter: Will I need a visa to travel to Europe
Me: We just don't know.0 -
https://twitter.com/Amathyst25/status/738075111471915008tlg86 said:Labour also had the better ground game last year....
And how many of the Remain events are the same people posing as different people as we saw in Kent and Sussex last week?0 -
120 million ?Paul_Bedfordshire said:
I would say we were at the population limit when the British Isles is no longer capable of food self sufficiency.Cyclefree said:
You mentioned earlier today that you thought that we were nowhere near the country's population limits, especially given technological advances etc.AlastairMeeks said:I see the idea that Remain supporters can't have principles is re-emerging onthread.
I can see the force of the point you are making but I just wanted to suggest two points:-
1. Most of the migration will head for the areas of demand and growth which is overwhelmingly concentrated in London and the South East. That places a lot of strain on a relatively small area and further accentuates a divide between it and much of the rest of the UK. So a figure of, say, 80 million is not equally spread out over a large country - a large part is concentrated. That concentration may well place more constraints on further growth.
2. There are large areas of the UK which are not very inhabited but (a) that may be for a good reason i.e. not much reason for anyone to want to live there; and (b) the very space/green lungs and houses with gardens which are seen as desirable become impossible save for the very few as a result of an increase in numbers. So it's not just about whether we can accommodate more but about what that means for the style of life we have, our urban and country environment, for how we live and what our idea of home is.
I was brought up for parts of my childhood in Naples - a noisy, filthy, uber-urban city with scarcely a blade of grass anywhere in the place. I loved it. But I had Ireland too and a garden in which to play and Hampstead Heath. I think that part of the concern with an increasing population is that it will change a very English view of what the ideal or desirable life is - house and garden and a bit of space. That sense of space, that desire for to have a bit of England which people can call their own is not to be dismissed lightly. Just because we can fit more and more people in does not necessarily mean we should. We ought to have the choice.0 -
For British citizens whose world would become encumbered by new barriers and whose opportunities would be more limited.Paul_Bedfordshire said:
Disaster for who?williamglenn said:
Travel isn't the issue. It's the right to work and live that's the concern. Try moving to the US to work without expensive lawyers like Fragomen. It would be a disaster if we had to experience anything similar to take a job in France.Paul_Bedfordshire said:
Surely the answer to that is Do you need a visa to Travel to Iceland, Switzerland or Canada, No. So highly unlikely.nunu said:Decided against canvassing for Leave.
Was afraid of this scenario:
Voter: Will I need a visa to travel to Europe
Me: We just don't know.0 -
However this parade of narcissists turns out the one politician who has enhanced their reputation is George Osborne. His cool demeanour is quite reassuring when juxtaposed with the peacock antics of Boris and co.
Even with the Tories penchant for choosing unwisely I'd be surprised if they go for anyone else (on the Remain side) least of all those who have kept their heads down like Theresa May.0 -
I thought we'd passed that point long ago......Paul_Bedfordshire said:
I would say we were at the population limit when the British Isles is no longer capable of food self sufficiency.Cyclefree said:
You mentioned earlier today that you thought that we were nowhere near the country's population limits, especially given technological advances etc.AlastairMeeks said:I see the idea that Remain supporters can't have principles is re-emerging onthread.
I can see the force of the point you are making but I just wanted to suggest two points:-
1. Most of the migration will head for the areas of demand and growth which is overwhelmingly concentrated in London and the South East. That places a lot of strain on a relatively small area and further accentuates a divide between it and much of the rest of the UK. So a figure of, say, 80 million is not equally spread out over a large country - a large part is concentrated. That concentration may well place more constraints on further growth.
2. There are large areas of the UK which are not very inhabited but (a) that may be for a good reason i.e. not much reason for anyone to want to live there; and (b) the very space/green lungs and houses with gardens which are seen as desirable become impossible save for the very few as a result of an increase in numbers. So it's not just about whether we can accommodate more but about what that means for the style of life we have, our urban and country environment, for how we live and what our idea of home is.
I was brought up for parts of my childhood in Naples - a noisy, filthy, uber-urban city with scarcely a blade of grass anywhere in the place. I loved it. But I had Ireland too and a garden in which to play and Hampstead Heath. I think that part of the concern with an increasing population is that it will change a very English view of what the ideal or desirable life is - house and garden and a bit of space. That sense of space, that desire for to have a bit of England which people can call their own is not to be dismissed lightly. Just because we can fit more and more people in does not necessarily mean we should. We ought to have the choice.
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You just don't understand. Europeans and others will need a visa to come to the UK. But, Brits ? You must be joking. The red carpet awaits us wherever we will go.williamglenn said:
Travel isn't the issue. It's the right to work and live that's the concern. Try moving to the US to work without expensive lawyers like Fragomen. It would be a disaster if we had to experience anything similar to take a job in France.Paul_Bedfordshire said:
Surely the answer to that is Do you need a visa to Travel to Iceland, Switzerland or Canada, No. So highly unlikely.nunu said:Decided against canvassing for Leave.
Was afraid of this scenario:
Voter: Will I need a visa to travel to Europe
Me: We just don't know.0 -
Anecdote alert, but I know several people who have got H1B immigrant visas here in the US and didn't need any lawyers.williamglenn said:
Travel isn't the issue. It's the right to work and live that's the concern. Try moving to the US to work without expensive lawyers like Fragomen. It would be a disaster if we had to experience anything similar to take a job in France.Paul_Bedfordshire said:
Surely the answer to that is Do you need a visa to Travel to Iceland, Switzerland or Canada, No. So highly unlikely.nunu said:Decided against canvassing for Leave.
Was afraid of this scenario:
Voter: Will I need a visa to travel to Europe
Me: We just don't know.0 -
And the other 90% who have no intention of working in the EU?williamglenn said:
For British citizens whose world would become encumbered by new barriers and whose opportunities would be more limited.Paul_Bedfordshire said:
Disaster for who?williamglenn said:
Travel isn't the issue. It's the right to work and live that's the concern. Try moving to the US to work without expensive lawyers like Fragomen. It would be a disaster if we had to experience anything similar to take a job in France.Paul_Bedfordshire said:
Surely the answer to that is Do you need a visa to Travel to Iceland, Switzerland or Canada, No. So highly unlikely.nunu said:Decided against canvassing for Leave.
Was afraid of this scenario:
Voter: Will I need a visa to travel to Europe
Me: We just don't know.0 -
Shocking stuff in the Yorkshire Dales. As it's clear that Driven Grouse shooting is incompatible with the survival of other moorland wildlife maybe some of you might like to sign Mr Avery's petition in the link.
http://markavery.info/2016/06/01/poletraps-moors-caution/
Disappointing that Plod turns a fairly blind eye to wildlife crime despite it being on the scale that at least one native species of raptor has been all but driven to extinction in England. But then who owns the estates where this is happening?
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So that's some time in the 18th century then.Paul_Bedfordshire said:
I would say we were at the population limit when the British Isles is no longer capable of food self sufficiency.Cyclefree said:
You mentioned earlier today that you thought that we were nowhere near the country's population limits, especially given technological advances etc.AlastairMeeks said:I see the idea that Remain supporters can't have principles is re-emerging onthread.
I can see the force of the point you are making but I just wanted to suggest two points:-
1. Most of the migration will head for the areas of demand and growth which is overwhelmingly concentrated in London and the South East. That places a lot of strain on a relatively small area and further accentuates a divide between it and much of the rest of the UK. So a figure of, say, 80 million is not equally spread out over a large country - a large part is concentrated. That concentration may well place more constraints on further growth.
2. There are large areas of the UK which are not very inhabited but (a) that may be for a good reason i.e. not much reason for anyone to want to live there; and (b) the very space/green lungs and houses with gardens which are seen as desirable become impossible save for the very few as a result of an increase in numbers. So it's not just about whether we can accommodate more but about what that means for the style of life we have, our urban and country environment, for how we live and what our idea of home is.
I was brought up for parts of my childhood in Naples - a noisy, filthy, uber-urban city with scarcely a blade of grass anywhere in the place. I loved it. But I had Ireland too and a garden in which to play and Hampstead Heath. I think that part of the concern with an increasing population is that it will change a very English view of what the ideal or desirable life is - house and garden and a bit of space. That sense of space, that desire for to have a bit of England which people can call their own is not to be dismissed lightly. Just because we can fit more and more people in does not necessarily mean we should. We ought to have the choice.0 -
Her Britannic Majesty requests and requires etc....surbiton said:
You just don't understand. Europeans and others will need a visa to come to the UK. But, Brits ? You must be joking. The red carpet awaits us wherever we will go.williamglenn said:
Travel isn't the issue. It's the right to work and live that's the concern. Try moving to the US to work without expensive lawyers like Fragomen. It would be a disaster if we had to experience anything similar to take a job in France.Paul_Bedfordshire said:
Surely the answer to that is Do you need a visa to Travel to Iceland, Switzerland or Canada, No. So highly unlikely.nunu said:Decided against canvassing for Leave.
Was afraid of this scenario:
Voter: Will I need a visa to travel to Europe
Me: We just don't know.0 -
Election pollsters don't normally cover Northern Ireland because the main parties don't compete there.
Anyone know if they are including NI in the referendum polls.
NI is said to be very REMAIN so could make the difference in a close vote.0 -
Heartily recommend Charles Tyrwhitt off the peg tailoring - trousers come unhemmed.David_Evershed said:
I always buy ready made, off the peg trousers. I know I am 32 inch leg.Mortimer said:
The suit wearers that make me wince are those who obviously went to the tailor and asked for their trousers to be made two inches too-sodding-short.Cyclefree said:
British politicians are appallingly dressed. British men - on the whole, to be honest. (I now expect a load of posts from TSE pointing out his exquisite taste in shoes so I will exempt him from the charge.) They can't do casual and seem wholly unacquainted with mirrors. And the suits these days are an abomination. They rarely fit and those stupid skinny suits make men look like Victorian bank clerks.Jobabob said:I have noted that the tie has become increasingly unpopular for London mayors. Sadiq, while undeniably a snappy dresser, is rarely seen wearing one. Boris, too, was often without neckwear. Their predecessor Ken was, by contrast, a relatively committed tie-wearer while mayor.
And men with long dirty fingernails should be executed, frankly. Unless they're Monty Don - and even then they should keep them short.
Trousers should break once, somewhere between the top of the shin and the shoe according to taste.
However, there has been a recent trend for companies to offer only 31 inch or 33 inch. Must be an EU regulation.0 -
I seem to remember a poll of young people had something high like 98.5% having no intention of working in the EU. I tried to find a link but cannot find anything. Maybe someone here remembers.Paul_Bedfordshire said:
And the other 90% who have no intention of working in the EU?williamglenn said:
For British citizens whose world would become encumbered by new barriers and whose opportunities would be more limited.Paul_Bedfordshire said:
Disaster for who?williamglenn said:
Travel isn't the issue. It's the right to work and live that's the concern. Try moving to the US to work without expensive lawyers like Fragomen. It would be a disaster if we had to experience anything similar to take a job in France.Paul_Bedfordshire said:
Surely the answer to that is Do you need a visa to Travel to Iceland, Switzerland or Canada, No. So highly unlikely.nunu said:Decided against canvassing for Leave.
Was afraid of this scenario:
Voter: Will I need a visa to travel to Europe
Me: We just don't know.0
