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I’m off to London this after to record the first PB/Polling Matters TV Show in our new studios near Victoria. Keiran Pedley and I will, no doubt, spend a lot of time discussing the polling and trying to make sense of it.
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The Director General of the WTO will be coming to London in early June and explain why Brexit is bad for the UK.0
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@faisalislam: WTO boss: "pretty much all" UK global trade has to be negotiated post Brexit. Brits "will have to pay" £9bn tariffs: https://t.co/bdhF0cxE6u0
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That should sort out all the Leavers and waverers who weren't convinced by Obama, Carney, the IFS, the Pope... etc then.TheScreamingEagles said:The Director General of the WTO will be coming to London in early June and explain why Brexit is bad for the UK.
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Poor Roberto Azevêdo, does he know the opprobrium he's letting himself in for from the Leavers.Scott_P said:@faisalislam: WTO boss: "pretty much all" UK global trade has to be negotiated post Brexit. Brits "will have to pay" £9bn tariffs: https://t.co/bdhF0cxE6u
That said, sales of tinfoil are going to go through the roof.0 -
Oh and 44-38 = 8?0
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Leave have brought a water pistol to take on a battalion of Remain MLRS trucks.Polruan said:
That should sort out all the Leavers and waverers who weren't convinced by Obama, Carney, the IFS, the Pope... etc then.TheScreamingEagles said:The Director General of the WTO will be coming to London in early June and explain why Brexit is bad for the UK.
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56 - 44 = 8Polruan said:Oh and 44-38 = 8?
Mike's talking about the repercentaged figures when DKs have been excluded.0 -
"Excluding undecided voters"Polruan said:Oh and 44-38 = 8?
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...and then pointed it at themselves...TheScreamingEagles said:
Leave have brought a water pistol to take on a battalion of Remain MLRS trucks.Polruan said:
That should sort out all the Leavers and waverers who weren't convinced by Obama, Carney, the IFS, the Pope... etc then.TheScreamingEagles said:The Director General of the WTO will be coming to London in early June and explain why Brexit is bad for the UK.
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Awesome poster.Sunil_Prasannan said:0 -
https://twitter.com/Sunil_P2/status/734315730703945728Polruan said:
...and then pointed it at themselves...TheScreamingEagles said:
Leave have brought a water pistol to take on a battalion of Remain MLRS trucks.Polruan said:
That should sort out all the Leavers and waverers who weren't convinced by Obama, Carney, the IFS, the Pope... etc then.TheScreamingEagles said:The Director General of the WTO will be coming to London in early June and explain why Brexit is bad for the UK.
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Another first class flyin, five star hotel stayin' pubic money guzzlin' lackey.TheScreamingEagles said:
Leave have brought a water pistol to take on a battalion of Remain MLRS trucks.Polruan said:
That should sort out all the Leavers and waverers who weren't convinced by Obama, Carney, the IFS, the Pope... etc then.TheScreamingEagles said:The Director General of the WTO will be coming to London in early June and explain why Brexit is bad for the UK.
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Alex Wickham
BOOM. Eddie Izzard's election hotel bills declared as national spend despite clearly being part of local campaign: https://t.co/ey1FEsYSbD0 -
TheScreamingEagles said:
The Director General of the WTO will be coming to London in early June and explain why Brexit is bad for the UK.
If Remain was really confident of a win, they wouldn't keep asking for help from outsiders.
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Play the man and not the ball, why not try and rebut his arguments? Oh wait, you can't.taffys said:
Another first class flyin, five star hotel stayin' pubic money guzzlin' lackey.TheScreamingEagles said:
Leave have brought a water pistol to take on a battalion of Remain MLRS trucks.Polruan said:
That should sort out all the Leavers and waverers who weren't convinced by Obama, Carney, the IFS, the Pope... etc then.TheScreamingEagles said:The Director General of the WTO will be coming to London in early June and explain why Brexit is bad for the UK.
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I guess, as a long term resident in Geneva, he'd know all about the horrors in stall for us outside the EU..TheScreamingEagles said:The Director General of the WTO will be coming to London in early June and explain why Brexit is bad for the UK.
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How does 44 - 38 = 8?
I mean, if this is about the difference between undecideds and certains might it be possible to match the header and blurb to the graphic? Just a thought.0 -
Yes we can:TheScreamingEagles said:
Play the man and not the ball, why not try and rebut his arguments? Oh wait, you can't.taffys said:
Another first class flyin, five star hotel stayin' pubic money guzzlin' lackey.TheScreamingEagles said:
Leave have brought a water pistol to take on a battalion of Remain MLRS trucks.Polruan said:
That should sort out all the Leavers and waverers who weren't convinced by Obama, Carney, the IFS, the Pope... etc then.TheScreamingEagles said:The Director General of the WTO will be coming to London in early June and explain why Brexit is bad for the UK.
Naught but REMAIN scaremongering!0 -
They're not being complacent, and I suspect he won't be the last person to intervene.MarkHopkins said:TheScreamingEagles said:The Director General of the WTO will be coming to London in early June and explain why Brexit is bad for the UK.
If Remain was really confident of a win, they wouldn't keep asking for help from outsiders.
But what does the DG of the World Trade Organisation know about World Trade.0 -
Keep flying that indefensible flag TSETheScreamingEagles said:
56 - 44 = 8Polruan said:Oh and 44-38 = 8?
Mike's talking about the repercentaged figures when DKs have been excluded.
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Wonder what he thinks of the common agricultural policy.TheScreamingEagles said:
They're not being complacent, and I suspect he won't be the last person to intervene.MarkHopkins said:TheScreamingEagles said:The Director General of the WTO will be coming to London in early June and explain why Brexit is bad for the UK.
If Remain was really confident of a win, they wouldn't keep asking for help from outsiders.
But what does the DG of the World Trade Organisation know about World Trade.
Is he off to France to lecture them on that?0 -
It doesn't seem to have occurred to them that people are actually choosing to pay for the likes of Netflix, Amazon Prime, and Now TV, and those viewers can drop a service at will if they aren't happy. If there was a substantial demand for European produced TV shows somebody would likely provide it at a low cost, you certainly wouldn't need to set a quota if it was something we really wanted, companies would be fighting for the rights.MP_SE said:Europhiles seem to favour protectionist and nanny state policies. Mandatory quotas on what the likes of Netflix have to show will not drive up standards.
If you want to watch trendy Scandinavian noir there is nothing stopping you from buying a DVD or signing up to a streaming service that does offer it.
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https://twitter.com/Sunil_P2/status/734794151875760130TheScreamingEagles said:
They're not being complacent, and I suspect he won't be the last person to intervene.MarkHopkins said:TheScreamingEagles said:The Director General of the WTO will be coming to London in early June and explain why Brexit is bad for the UK.
If Remain was really confident of a win, they wouldn't keep asking for help from outsiders.
But what does the DG of the World Trade Organisation know about World Trade.0 -
Yes, sorry, misread that. What are the comparatives in brackets against, though? Presumably it's an unlisted previous Survation.TheScreamingEagles said:
56 - 44 = 8Polruan said:Oh and 44-38 = 8?
Mike's talking about the repercentaged figures when DKs have been excluded.
I see this as 53.66 - 46.34 = 7.32 which correctly rounds to 7 though (creates an error to round at headline stage then calculate the difference). The predecessor looks like 54.22 - 45.78 giving a remain lead of 8.44.
To round off the objectless pedantry, excluding DKs, that means Remain lost 13.27% of its lead between those two polls.0 -
Yep, the people at the top of these international quangos are always to be trusted. I mean, just look at Christine Lagarde. Oh wait.TheScreamingEagles said:
But what does the DG of the World Trade Organisation know about World Trade.MarkHopkins said:TheScreamingEagles said:The Director General of the WTO will be coming to London in early June and explain why Brexit is bad for the UK.
If Remain was really confident of a win, they wouldn't keep asking for help from outsiders.
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In what world does 56-44 = 8?TheScreamingEagles said:
56 - 44 = 8Polruan said:Oh and 44-38 = 8?
Mike's talking about the repercentaged figures when DKs have been excluded.0 -
Oops, I meant 54 - 46 = 8MaxPB said:
In what world does 56-44 = 8?TheScreamingEagles said:
56 - 44 = 8Polruan said:Oh and 44-38 = 8?
Mike's talking about the repercentaged figures when DKs have been excluded.0 -
Netflix also carry a lot of content because it's cheap, and don't carry a lot because it's expensive/exclusive. Some of their crap stuff is watched because it's there and presumably most of their data about what people "want" to watch is actually what people choose to watch from the limited selection available on Netflix.glw said:
If people actually wanted to "have a diet of Scandanavian Noir, Spanish Cinema and even German comedy" the likes of Netflix would provide it. Netflix would have no trouble licensing such "entertainment" and can easily afford to do so.foxinsoxuk said:A big positive as far as I am concerned!
I would much rather have a diet of Scandanavian Noir, Spanish Cinema and even German comedy to the cast offs of middle american pap. I don't mind a bit of that stuff but I do want variety.
Too often we get the choice of dozens of identical programmes with only an illusion of choice.
Netflix unlike the European Commission has a huge amount of data, maybe more than any other organisation on Earth, which reveals what people really want to watch. They take that data and use it to select the programmes they license and produce. Apparently the European Commission thinks it knows Netflix's customers better than Netflix, I doubt that they are correct.
If you locked hungry people in KFC for a week, the consumption data wouldn't prove that fried chicken was what they really wanted to eat.0 -
It's a conspiracy...
@sunny_hundal: Just spoke to Sister Sledge's US rep. Sal Michaels: he confirms they've pulled out of the Brexit concert https://t.co/iZPYQfHtyH0 -
And who is this lucky solitary taxpayer?Sunil_Prasannan said:0 -
@GuidoFawkes: Errr, @andywigmore are E17 only band still in for your B-pop gig? Coz you know their big hit was "Stay Another Day"? https://t.co/yVxf0wQybc0
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Walter Presents. Some cracking stuff on there.glw said:
If there was a substantial demand for European produced TV shows somebody would likely provide it at a low cost....MP_SE said:Europhiles seem to favour protectionist and nanny state policies. Mandatory quotas on what the likes of Netflix have to show will not drive up standards.
If you want to watch trendy Scandinavian noir there is nothing stopping you from buying a DVD or signing up to a streaming service that does offer it.0 -
Indeed, and a much better way of promoting such shows than by setting a quota.SandyRentool said:
Walter Presents. Some cracking stuff on there.glw said:
If there was a substantial demand for European produced TV shows somebody would likely provide it at a low cost....MP_SE said:Europhiles seem to favour protectionist and nanny state policies. Mandatory quotas on what the likes of Netflix have to show will not drive up standards.
If you want to watch trendy Scandinavian noir there is nothing stopping you from buying a DVD or signing up to a streaming service that does offer it.0 -
LEAVE in Silence, Depeche Mode:Scott_P said:@GuidoFawkes: Errr, @andywigmore are E17 only band still in for your B-pop gig? Coz you know their big hit was "Stay Another Day"? https://t.co/yVxf0wQybc
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House of Love was their best song.Scott_P said:@GuidoFawkes: Errr, @andywigmore are E17 only band still in for your B-pop gig? Coz you know their big hit was "Stay Another Day"? https://t.co/yVxf0wQybc
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The heads of international bodies - whether the IMF or the World Bank or the WTO - desire stability. That's where their interest lies, and anything which threatens to destabilise is to be discouraged.Estobar said:
Yep, the people at the top of these international quangos are always to be trusted. I mean, just look at Christine Lagarde. Oh wait.TheScreamingEagles said:
But what does the DG of the World Trade Organisation know about World Trade.MarkHopkins said:TheScreamingEagles said:The Director General of the WTO will be coming to London in early June and explain why Brexit is bad for the UK.
If Remain was really confident of a win, they wouldn't keep asking for help from outsiders.
They do not have the interests of the British people in mind. But that does not make them stooges of Remain or David Cameron. It makes them people who have their own interests and who promote those interests relentlessly; as they should, as it is their job to do so.0 -
If Remain wins, it's clear the UK just can't get enough of the EU.Sunil_Prasannan said:
LEAVE in Silence, Depeche Mode:Scott_P said:@GuidoFawkes: Errr, @andywigmore are E17 only band still in for your B-pop gig? Coz you know their big hit was "Stay Another Day"? https://t.co/yVxf0wQybc
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What can I say?TheScreamingEagles said:
If Remain wins, it's clear the UK just can't get enough of the EU.Sunil_Prasannan said:
LEAVE in Silence, Depeche Mode:Scott_P said:@GuidoFawkes: Errr, @andywigmore are E17 only band still in for your B-pop gig? Coz you know their big hit was "Stay Another Day"? https://t.co/yVxf0wQybc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVu6Wihbp4Q
I don't wanna play any more
What can I say?
I'm heading for the door
I can't stand this emotional violence
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I think that's a bogus argument. If you aren't happy with Netflix you can simply cancel it. There are many other TV and film streaming services to choose from, as well as conventional broadcasting, and DVDs etc.Polruan said:Netflix also carry a lot of content because it's cheap, and don't carry a lot because it's expensive/exclusive. Some of their crap stuff is watched because it's there and presumably most of their data about what people "want" to watch is actually what people choose to watch from the limited selection available on Netflix.
If you locked hungry people in KFC for a week, the consumption data wouldn't prove that fried chicken was what they really wanted to eat.
Netflix is enormously popular, particularly in the US, with higher satisfaction scores than other rivals and broadcasters, and ever increasing viewing figures. Maybe they are actually doing a good job, and giving people what they want for a fair price, and I find it utterly implausible that anyone else can do a better job of figuring out what programming they should be buying or making.
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As an aside, why would you think that Lagarde is personally untrustworthy? I know several people that have worked with her, and all - irrespective of their political views - hold her in high regard. (Certainly compared to other French politicians and functionaries they've worked with.)Estobar said:
Yep, the people at the top of these international quangos are always to be trusted. I mean, just look at Christine Lagarde. Oh wait.TheScreamingEagles said:
But what does the DG of the World Trade Organisation know about World Trade.MarkHopkins said:TheScreamingEagles said:The Director General of the WTO will be coming to London in early June and explain why Brexit is bad for the UK.
If Remain was really confident of a win, they wouldn't keep asking for help from outsiders.0 -
FPT
I understand that the case for saying the online polls overstate Leave is that Leavers are more politically engaged and probably older/retired so have more time to answer online surveys. This (allegedly) means they are likely to respond more quickly than Remainers and because online polling systems stop accepting responses from the various defined groups of voters when sampling quotas have been filled if the split of Leave/Remain amongst quick responders is not the same as the population as a whole the result of the poll will be unrepresentative.
This theory seems to have some logic to it - and clearly the punters and bookies believe it - but what is the counter-argument against phone polling? If we accept the online polls are right the phone polls must exaggerate Remain so why would Remainers be more likely to respond to phone calls than Leavers?0 -
Vikings .. Saxons .. Romans ...Sunil_Prasannan said:0 -
If people should be allowed to watch what they want on Netflix, why shouldn't they be allowed to employ who they like?Polruan said:
Netflix also carry a lot of content because it's cheap, and don't carry a lot because it's expensive/exclusive. Some of their crap stuff is watched because it's there and presumably most of their data about what people "want" to watch is actually what people choose to watch from the limited selection available on Netflix.glw said:
If people actually wanted to "have a diet of Scandanavian Noir, Spanish Cinema and even German comedy" the likes of Netflix would provide it. Netflix would have no trouble licensing such "entertainment" and can easily afford to do so.foxinsoxuk said:A big positive as far as I am concerned!
I would much rather have a diet of Scandanavian Noir, Spanish Cinema and even German comedy to the cast offs of middle american pap. I don't mind a bit of that stuff but I do want variety.
Too often we get the choice of dozens of identical programmes with only an illusion of choice.
Netflix unlike the European Commission has a huge amount of data, maybe more than any other organisation on Earth, which reveals what people really want to watch. They take that data and use it to select the programmes they license and produce. Apparently the European Commission thinks it knows Netflix's customers better than Netflix, I doubt that they are correct.
If you locked hungry people in KFC for a week, the consumption data wouldn't prove that fried chicken was what they really wanted to eat.
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I thought Ian Smith had died. His ghost must be upset about the EU nicking their national anthem.taffys said:
Awesome poster.Sunil_Prasannan said:0 -
Presumably we are allowed to trust anyone who advocates the Leave position?Estobar said:
Yep, the people at the top of these international quangos are always to be trusted. I mean, just look at Christine Lagarde. Oh wait.TheScreamingEagles said:
But what does the DG of the World Trade Organisation know about World Trade.MarkHopkins said:TheScreamingEagles said:The Director General of the WTO will be coming to London in early June and explain why Brexit is bad for the UK.
If Remain was really confident of a win, they wouldn't keep asking for help from outsiders.
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Murray will have to go five sets to win against French wild card Bourgue.0
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The vote will be about as enthusiastic as a visit to the dentist.TheScreamingEagles said:
If Remain wins, it's clear the UK just can't get enough of the EU.Sunil_Prasannan said:
LEAVE in Silence, Depeche Mode:Scott_P said:@GuidoFawkes: Errr, @andywigmore are E17 only band still in for your B-pop gig? Coz you know their big hit was "Stay Another Day"? https://t.co/yVxf0wQybc
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However did all the states that have become independent since 1989 manage to avoid utter ruin.TheScreamingEagles said:
Poor Roberto Azevêdo, does he know the opprobrium he's letting himself in for from the Leavers.Scott_P said:@faisalislam: WTO boss: "pretty much all" UK global trade has to be negotiated post Brexit. Brits "will have to pay" £9bn tariffs: https://t.co/bdhF0cxE6u
That said, sales of tinfoil are going to go through the roof.0 -
REMAINERs don't want Britain to be an independent sovereign nation.JackW said:
Vikings .. Saxons .. Romans ...Sunil_Prasannan said:
Just let that sink in for a minute.0 -
Presumably they got a lecture as well...Paul_Bedfordshire said:
However did all the states that have become independent since 1989 manage to avoid utter ruin.TheScreamingEagles said:
Poor Roberto Azevêdo, does he know the opprobrium he's letting himself in for from the Leavers.Scott_P said:@faisalislam: WTO boss: "pretty much all" UK global trade has to be negotiated post Brexit. Brits "will have to pay" £9bn tariffs: https://t.co/bdhF0cxE6u
That said, sales of tinfoil are going to go through the roof.0 -
There's a very obvious EU/UK and Master and Servant gag to be made, surprised you missed it.Sunil_Prasannan said:
What can I say?TheScreamingEagles said:
If Remain wins, it's clear the UK just can't get enough of the EU.Sunil_Prasannan said:
LEAVE in Silence, Depeche Mode:Scott_P said:@GuidoFawkes: Errr, @andywigmore are E17 only band still in for your B-pop gig? Coz you know their big hit was "Stay Another Day"? https://t.co/yVxf0wQybc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVu6Wihbp4Q
I don't wanna play any more
What can I say?
I'm heading for the door
I can't stand this emotional violence
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EU = our MastersTheScreamingEagles said:
There's a very obvious EU/UK and Master and Servant gag to be made, surprised you missed it.Sunil_Prasannan said:
What can I say?TheScreamingEagles said:
If Remain wins, it's clear the UK just can't get enough of the EU.Sunil_Prasannan said:
LEAVE in Silence, Depeche Mode:Scott_P said:@GuidoFawkes: Errr, @andywigmore are E17 only band still in for your B-pop gig? Coz you know their big hit was "Stay Another Day"? https://t.co/yVxf0wQybc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVu6Wihbp4Q
I don't wanna play any more
What can I say?
I'm heading for the door
I can't stand this emotional violence
LEAVE IN SILENCE
UK = their servants
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So long as the UK has three power to unilaterally leave the EU via the repeal of the European Communities Act, it is sovereign. I don't see that changing, even if we do vote to Remain.Sunil_Prasannan said:
REMAINERs don't want Britain to be an independent sovereign nation.JackW said:
Vikings .. Saxons .. Romans ...Sunil_Prasannan said:
Just let that sink in for a minute.0 -
There is indeed. Deutschland 83 was a great glimpse of some of the excellent series that are not high enough profile.SandyRentool said:
Walter Presents. Some cracking stuff on there.glw said:
If there was a substantial demand for European produced TV shows somebody would likely provide it at a low cost....MP_SE said:Europhiles seem to favour protectionist and nanny state policies. Mandatory quotas on what the likes of Netflix have to show will not drive up standards.
If you want to watch trendy Scandinavian noir there is nothing stopping you from buying a DVD or signing up to a streaming service that does offer it.0 -
Indeed, it's an argument I can't understand. If we weren't sovereign, we wouldn't be having this referendum.rcs1000 said:
So long as the UK has three power to unilaterally leave the EU via the repeal of the European Communities Act, it is sovereign. I don't see that changing, even if we do vote to Remain.Sunil_Prasannan said:
REMAINERs don't want Britain to be an independent sovereign nation.JackW said:
Vikings .. Saxons .. Romans ...Sunil_Prasannan said:
Just let that sink in for a minute.0 -
No sh1t, Sherlock.Scott_P said:@faisalislam: WTO boss: "pretty much all" UK global trade has to be negotiated post Brexit. Brits "will have to pay" £9bn tariffs: https://t.co/bdhF0cxE6u
UK leaves a free trade bloc and has to negotiate new trade agreements into order to avoid WTO 2% tariffs, ignoring a depreciated pound.
How does this guy know how much tariff we will pay? The deals haven't been negotiated yet. He also seems to have forgotten that Britain has a thumping great trade deficit and so should GAIN from tariffs, if we want to.
I think the lesson we should draw is that Civil Servants don't like extra work foisted upon them.
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Forgive me if I don;t take that as a guarantee of centuries of rights, regularly bought in blood.rcs1000 said:
So long as the UK has three power to unilaterally leave the EU via the repeal of the European Communities Act, it is sovereign. I don't see that changing, even if we do vote to Remain.Sunil_Prasannan said:
REMAINERs don't want Britain to be an independent sovereign nation.JackW said:
Vikings .. Saxons .. Romans ...Sunil_Prasannan said:
Just let that sink in for a minute.
Still, your words will be a comfort when I have to rot in a foreign jail for months for non-payment of euro taxes.0 -
We are sovereign for the moment, TSE.TheScreamingEagles said:
Indeed, it's an argument I can't understand. If we weren't sovereign, we wouldn't be having this referendum.rcs1000 said:
So long as the UK has three power to unilaterally leave the EU via the repeal of the European Communities Act, it is sovereign. I don't see that changing, even if we do vote to Remain.Sunil_Prasannan said:
REMAINERs don't want Britain to be an independent sovereign nation.JackW said:
Vikings .. Saxons .. Romans ...Sunil_Prasannan said:
Just let that sink in for a minute.
LEAVING is the best way to ensure we retain that sovereignty for our children and their children.
Believe in BRITAIN!
Be LEAVE!0 -
So, as casual with expenses as with Antisemitism :-)Plato_Says said:Alex Wickham
BOOM. Eddie Izzard's election hotel bills declared as national spend despite clearly being part of local campaign: https://t.co/ey1FEsYSbD0 -
Ex-General Tells PM To 'Bugger Off' Over Brexit
http://news.sky.com/story/1701753/ex-general-tells-pm-to-bugger-off-over-brexit
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Please do not shout at me in bold.Sunil_Prasannan said:REMAINERs don't want Britain to be an independent sovereign nation.
Just let that sink in for a minute.
I'm perfectly capable on understanding your LEAVE propaganda without undue emphasis.
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"If Remain wins, it's clear the UK just can't get enough of the EU."
Mr Eagles. I agree. If Remain win, then Remainers should support further integration because it's what they are voting for.
That's where it varies from the Scottish Referendum. Winning meant a little more devolution.
Remain winning means less independence, a rump Parliament, a common currency, a European army, and a European defence policy. There's no pretence, but they just don't say it out loud.
Well done for your honesty.0 -
I disagree that they do not have the best interests of the British people in mind. It's just that you do not agree with their assessment. They think that stability is currently in the UK's best interests, as someone who (I think) is very interested in disruption as a means to grow and create opportunity, you probably don't.rcs1000 said:
The heads of international bodies - whether the IMF or the World Bank or the WTO - desire stability. That's where their interest lies, and anything which threatens to destabilise is to be discouraged.Estobar said:
Yep, the people at the top of these international quangos are always to be trusted. I mean, just look at Christine Lagarde. Oh wait.TheScreamingEagles said:
But what does the DG of the World Trade Organisation know about World Trade.MarkHopkins said:TheScreamingEagles said:The Director General of the WTO will be coming to London in early June and explain why Brexit is bad for the UK.
If Remain was really confident of a win, they wouldn't keep asking for help from outsiders.
They do not have the interests of the British people in mind. But that does not make them stooges of Remain or David Cameron. It makes them people who have their own interests and who promote those interests relentlessly; as they should, as it is their job to do so.
I'd say a strong - though tangential - reason for sticking with the status quo is the damage that Brexit could do to what looks like it may be the stirrings of a nascent recovery in many parts of Europe. The last thing anyone wants now, surely, is a period of uncertainty and anything that knocks business and investor confidence. Should there be a negative market reaction to Brexit - and at the very least that is not out of the question - then it will have an impact across the EU. And that is something that will be very bad news for us too.
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Naught but pro-REMAIN propaganda from JackJackW said:
Please do not shout at me in bold.Sunil_Prasannan said:REMAINERs don't want Britain to be an independent sovereign nation.
Just let that sink in for a minute.
I'm perfectly capable on understanding your LEAVE propaganda without undue emphasis.
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If we Remain, we can Leave in the future, we can declare war on the French if we need to, we can fire our nukes at French.Sunil_Prasannan said:
We are sovereign for the moment, TSE.TheScreamingEagles said:
Indeed, it's an argument I can't understand. If we weren't sovereign, we wouldn't be having this referendum.rcs1000 said:
So long as the UK has three power to unilaterally leave the EU via the repeal of the European Communities Act, it is sovereign. I don't see that changing, even if we do vote to Remain.Sunil_Prasannan said:
REMAINERs don't want Britain to be an independent sovereign nation.JackW said:
Vikings .. Saxons .. Romans ...Sunil_Prasannan said:
Just let that sink in for a minute.
LEAVING is the best way to ensure we retain that sovereignty for our children and their children.
Believe in BRITAIN!
Be LEAVE!
All signs of a sovereign nation.0 -
Yebbut why LEAVE in the future when we can get out now?TheScreamingEagles said:
If we Remain, we can Leave in the future, we can declare war on the French if we need to, we can fire our nukes at French.Sunil_Prasannan said:
We are sovereign for the moment, TSE.TheScreamingEagles said:
Indeed, it's an argument I can't understand. If we weren't sovereign, we wouldn't be having this referendum.rcs1000 said:
So long as the UK has three power to unilaterally leave the EU via the repeal of the European Communities Act, it is sovereign. I don't see that changing, even if we do vote to Remain.Sunil_Prasannan said:
REMAINERs don't want Britain to be an independent sovereign nation.JackW said:
Vikings .. Saxons .. Romans ...Sunil_Prasannan said:
Just let that sink in for a minute.
LEAVING is the best way to ensure we retain that sovereignty for our children and their children.
Believe in BRITAIN!
Be LEAVE!
All signs of a sovereign nation.
BTW won't the French use their nukes against us?0 -
You're reading too much into my very subtle pop music references.CD13 said:"If Remain wins, it's clear the UK just can't get enough of the EU."
Mr Eagles. I agree. If Remain win, then Remainers should support further integration because it's what they are voting for.
That's where it varies from the Scottish Referendum. Winning meant a little more devolution.
Remain winning means less independence, a rump Parliament, a common currency, a European army, and a European defence policy. There's no pretence, but they just don't say it out loud.
Well done for your honesty.0 -
Yes we do.Sunil_Prasannan said:
REMAINERs don't want Britain to be an independent sovereign nation.
Just let that sink in for a minute.
It's LEAVERs who think we aren't (yet are somehow holding a referendum...)0 -
No, there's a reason why the French are known as Cheese Eating Surrender Monkeys.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Yebbut why LEAVE in the future when we can get out now?TheScreamingEagles said:
If we Remain, we can Leave in the future, we can declare war on the French if we need to, we can fire our nukes at French.Sunil_Prasannan said:
We are sovereign for the moment, TSE.TheScreamingEagles said:
Indeed, it's an argument I can't understand. If we weren't sovereign, we wouldn't be having this referendum.rcs1000 said:
So long as the UK has three power to unilaterally leave the EU via the repeal of the European Communities Act, it is sovereign. I don't see that changing, even if we do vote to Remain.Sunil_Prasannan said:
REMAINERs don't want Britain to be an independent sovereign nation.JackW said:
Vikings .. Saxons .. Romans ...Sunil_Prasannan said:
Just let that sink in for a minute.
LEAVING is the best way to ensure we retain that sovereignty for our children and their children.
Believe in BRITAIN!
Be LEAVE!
All signs of a sovereign nation.
BTW won't the French use their nukes against us?0 -
You can spend months in a foreign jail for the non payment of US taxes today, if you haven't correctly accounted for services delivered to a US company from a UK company.taffys said:
Forgive me if I don;t take that as a guarantee of centuries of rights, regularly bought in blood.rcs1000 said:
So long as the UK has three power to unilaterally leave the EU via the repeal of the European Communities Act, it is sovereign. I don't see that changing, even if we do vote to Remain.Sunil_Prasannan said:
REMAINERs don't want Britain to be an independent sovereign nation.JackW said:
Vikings .. Saxons .. Romans ...Sunil_Prasannan said:
Just let that sink in for a minute.
Still, your words will be a comfort when I have to rot in a foreign jail for months for non-payment of euro taxes.
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Jack is a living example that not all oldies are for leaveSunil_Prasannan said:
Naught but pro-REMAIN propaganda from JackJackW said:
Please do not shout at me in bold.Sunil_Prasannan said:REMAINERs don't want Britain to be an independent sovereign nation.
Just let that sink in for a minute.
I'm perfectly capable on understanding your LEAVE propaganda without undue emphasis.
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General Rose's comments on how EU law restricts UK combat effectiveness are devastating and expose Remain's outrageous lies about us being 'safer' in the EU.MarkHopkins said:
Ex-General Tells PM To 'Bugger Off' Over Brexit
http://news.sky.com/story/1701753/ex-general-tells-pm-to-bugger-off-over-brexit0 -
Donald Trump signed off on a controversial business deal that was designed to deprive the US Government of tens of millions of dollars in tax, the Telegraph can disclose.
The billionaire approved a $50 million investment in a company – only for the deal to be rewritten several weeks later as a ‘loan’.
Experts say that the effect of this move was to skirt vast tax liabilities, and court papers seen by the Telegraph allege that the deal amounted to fraud.
Independent tax accountants and lawyers said that the documents Mr Trump signed – copies of which were obtained by this newspaper as part of a three-month investigation - contained “red flags” indicating the deal was irregular.
But the Republican presumptive presidential nominee signed nonetheless.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/25/exclusive-donald-trump-signed-off-deal-designed-to-deprive-us-of/0 -
Without an extradition hearing at a UK court? Are you sure about that?rcs1000 said:
You can spend months in a foreign jail for the non payment of US taxes today, if you haven't correctly accounted for services delivered to a US company from a UK company.taffys said:
Forgive me if I don;t take that as a guarantee of centuries of rights, regularly bought in blood.rcs1000 said:
So long as the UK has three power to unilaterally leave the EU via the repeal of the European Communities Act, it is sovereign. I don't see that changing, even if we do vote to Remain.Sunil_Prasannan said:
REMAINERs don't want Britain to be an independent sovereign nation.JackW said:
Vikings .. Saxons .. Romans ...Sunil_Prasannan said:
Just let that sink in for a minute.
Still, your words will be a comfort when I have to rot in a foreign jail for months for non-payment of euro taxes.0 -
Mr Eagles,
"You're reading too much into my very subtle pop music references."
Very probably, but there's truth in jest. The direction of travel is consistent and I remember 1975 very well.
"Political Union? We're voting on a Common Market." There was no reference to tinfoil hats but the 1975 equivalent was swivel-eyed and Tony Benn.
One of the few things he got right.0 -
So we've had Lagarde, Obama, Brown, Blair, Cameron, Osborne, the IMF, the OECD, the IFS, NIESR, no doubt B and Q, MFI, TGIF, C and A and every other acronym telling us how awful it will all be.
I wonder if they will be stupid enough to roll out Merkel and Hollande to try it as well.
And still....only 21% of people believe they will be personally worse off if we leave the EU.
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TheScreamingEagles said:
You're reading too much into my very subtle pop music references.CD13 said:"If Remain wins, it's clear the UK just can't get enough of the EU."
Mr Eagles. I agree. If Remain win, then Remainers should support further integration because it's what they are voting for.
That's where it varies from the Scottish Referendum. Winning meant a little more devolution.
Remain winning means less independence, a rump Parliament, a common currency, a European army, and a European defence policy. There's no pretence, but they just don't say it out loud.
Well done for your honesty.
If we stay in the EU, we'll be staring down the Barrel Of A Gun.
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You do need to be extradited. But the extradition treaty we've signed with the US is so broad as regards US tax evasion, and the subject matter so complex, that your extradition is a virtual inevitability.taffys said:
Without an extradition hearing at a UK court? Are you sure about that?rcs1000 said:
You can spend months in a foreign jail for the non payment of US taxes today, if you haven't correctly accounted for services delivered to a US company from a UK company.taffys said:
Forgive me if I don;t take that as a guarantee of centuries of rights, regularly bought in blood.rcs1000 said:
So long as the UK has three power to unilaterally leave the EU via the repeal of the European Communities Act, it is sovereign. I don't see that changing, even if we do vote to Remain.Sunil_Prasannan said:
REMAINERs don't want Britain to be an independent sovereign nation.JackW said:
Vikings .. Saxons .. Romans ...Sunil_Prasannan said:
Just let that sink in for a minute.
Still, your words will be a comfort when I have to rot in a foreign jail for months for non-payment of euro taxes.0 -
But what Yorktown? Austerlitz? Friedland?TheScreamingEagles said:
No, there's a reason why the French are known as Cheese Eating Surrender Monkeys.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Yebbut why LEAVE in the future when we can get out now?TheScreamingEagles said:
If we Remain, we can Leave in the future, we can declare war on the French if we need to, we can fire our nukes at French.Sunil_Prasannan said:
We are sovereign for the moment, TSE.TheScreamingEagles said:
Indeed, it's an argument I can't understand. If we weren't sovereign, we wouldn't be having this referendum.rcs1000 said:
So long as the UK has three power to unilaterally leave the EU via the repeal of the European Communities Act, it is sovereign. I don't see that changing, even if we do vote to Remain.Sunil_Prasannan said:
REMAINERs don't want Britain to be an independent sovereign nation.JackW said:
Vikings .. Saxons .. Romans ...Sunil_Prasannan said:
Just let that sink in for a minute.
LEAVING is the best way to ensure we retain that sovereignty for our children and their children.
Believe in BRITAIN!
Be LEAVE!
All signs of a sovereign nation.
BTW won't the French use their nukes against us?0 -
To be fair, US Netflix is a fair bit better than UK Netflix. Overall I find it worth the price but it's frustrating how many streaming services you need to patch together to get the stuff you want. I'm just not convinced that the absence of certain things reflects the lack of demand, more that Netflix do enough to keep subscribers despite those absences. I'd happily pay 2-3 times more for a single comprehensive provider.glw said:
I think that's a bogus argument. If you aren't happy with Netflix you can simply cancel it. There are many other TV and film streaming services to choose from, as well as conventional broadcasting, and DVDs etc.Polruan said:Netflix also carry a lot of content because it's cheap, and don't carry a lot because it's expensive/exclusive. Some of their crap stuff is watched because it's there and presumably most of their data about what people "want" to watch is actually what people choose to watch from the limited selection available on Netflix.
If you locked hungry people in KFC for a week, the consumption data wouldn't prove that fried chicken was what they really wanted to eat.
Netflix is enormously popular, particularly in the US, with higher satisfaction scores than other rivals and broadcasters, and ever increasing viewing figures. Maybe they are actually doing a good job, and giving people what they want for a fair price, and I find it utterly implausible that anyone else can do a better job of figuring out what programming they should be buying or making.0 -
@jimwaterson: East 17 pull out Brexit the music festival. We need to save this event and make sure it goes ahead, for the sake of journalists everywhere.0
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Scott_P said:
@jimwaterson: East 17 pull out Brexit the music festival. We need to save this event and make sure it goes ahead, for the sake of journalists everywhere.
Accrington StanleyEast 17? Who are they? 0 -
Mr Eagles,
"You're reading too much into my very subtle pop music references."
Like this young American group ...
"You can check out any time you like, But you can never leave."
The Establishment didn't even try to be impartial in 1975, but they're made some effort this time. Not totally successfully though. But leaving? If Remain wins, you can kiss goodbye to any more Referenda - this has been too tight for comfort.0 -
Should we have you down as an oldie too, Mike?MikeSmithson said:
Jack is a living example that not all oldies are for leaveSunil_Prasannan said:
Naught but pro-REMAIN propaganda from JackJackW said:
Please do not shout at me in bold.Sunil_Prasannan said:REMAINERs don't want Britain to be an independent sovereign nation.
Just let that sink in for a minute.
I'm perfectly capable on understanding your LEAVE propaganda without undue emphasis.0 -
OK but that's a pretty narrow field.rcs1000 said:
You do need to be extradited. But the extradition treaty we've signed with the US is so broad as regards US tax evasion, and the subject matter so complex, that your extradition is a virtual inevitability.taffys said:
Without an extradition hearing at a UK court? Are you sure about that?rcs1000 said:
You can spend months in a foreign jail for the non payment of US taxes today, if you haven't correctly accounted for services delivered to a US company from a UK company.taffys said:
Forgive me if I don;t take that as a guarantee of centuries of rights, regularly bought in blood.rcs1000 said:
So long as the UK has three power to unilaterally leave the EU via the repeal of the European Communities Act, it is sovereign. I don't see that changing, even if we do vote to Remain.Sunil_Prasannan said:
REMAINERs don't want Britain to be an independent sovereign nation.JackW said:
Vikings .. Saxons .. Romans ...Sunil_Prasannan said:
Just let that sink in for a minute.
Still, your words will be a comfort when I have to rot in a foreign jail for months for non-payment of euro taxes.
Any EU state can summarily issue a warrant for your arrest and stick you in jail for months, for anything, without trial. Even something that's not a crime here.
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We are sovereign for the moment, Carlotta.CarlottaVance said:
Yes we do.Sunil_Prasannan said:
REMAINERs don't want Britain to be an independent sovereign nation.
Just let that sink in for a minute.
It's LEAVERs who think we aren't (yet are somehow holding a referendum...)
LEAVING is the best way to ensure we retain that sovereignty for our children and their children.
Believe in BRITAIN!
Be LEAVE!0 -
Fox jr prefers Canadian Netfix as having greater variety, its really quite easy to do.Polruan said:
To be fair, US Netflix is a fair bit better than UK Netflix. Overall I find it worth the price but it's frustrating how many streaming services you need to patch together to get the stuff you want. I'm just not convinced that the absence of certain things reflects the lack of demand, more that Netflix do enough to keep subscribers despite those absences. I'd happily pay 2-3 times more for a single comprehensive provider.glw said:
I think that's a bogus argument. If you aren't happy with Netflix you can simply cancel it. There are many other TV and film streaming services to choose from, as well as conventional broadcasting, and DVDs etc.Polruan said:Netflix also carry a lot of content because it's cheap, and don't carry a lot because it's expensive/exclusive. Some of their crap stuff is watched because it's there and presumably most of their data about what people "want" to watch is actually what people choose to watch from the limited selection available on Netflix.
If you locked hungry people in KFC for a week, the consumption data wouldn't prove that fried chicken was what they really wanted to eat.
Netflix is enormously popular, particularly in the US, with higher satisfaction scores than other rivals and broadcasters, and ever increasing viewing figures. Maybe they are actually doing a good job, and giving people what they want for a fair price, and I find it utterly implausible that anyone else can do a better job of figuring out what programming they should be buying or making.0 -
Och aye tha noo, my fellow independence supporters.
Mr. P, I actually feel some sympathy for the 'Brexit' music organisers. It's not their fault moronic musicians signed up without realising that 'Brexit' was a reference to the UK leaving the EU.0 -
This is hardly a ringing endorsement.rcs1000 said:
As an aside, why would you think that Lagarde is personally untrustworthy? I know several people that have worked with her, and all - irrespective of their political views - hold her in high regard. (Certainly compared to other French politicians and functionaries they've worked with.)Estobar said:
Yep, the people at the top of these international quangos are always to be trusted. I mean, just look at Christine Lagarde. Oh wait.TheScreamingEagles said:
But what does the DG of the World Trade Organisation know about World Trade.MarkHopkins said:TheScreamingEagles said:The Director General of the WTO will be coming to London in early June and explain why Brexit is bad for the UK.
If Remain was really confident of a win, they wouldn't keep asking for help from outsiders.
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Why not answer the FQ?Polruan said:
And who is this lucky solitary taxpayer?Sunil_Prasannan said:0 -
The more I read during this campaign the more leave remind me of a dog chasing cars. Absolutely desperate to catch one but absolutely no idea what to do with it. Year's of whining about a referendum then not a single idea about how to win it, when they get one.0
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Haven't we all felt like that about Mr Cameron recently?MarkHopkins said:
Ex-General Tells PM To 'Bugger Off' Over Brexit
http://news.sky.com/story/1701753/ex-general-tells-pm-to-bugger-off-over-brexit
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LEAVE'S campaign has left a lot to be desired... But given the weight of the entire UK and world order that's been thrown at it I'm surprised it's holding up as well as it is TBH.saddened said:The more I read during this campaign the more leave remind me of a dog chasing cars. Absolutely desperate to catch one but absolutely no idea what to do with it. Year's of whining about a referendum then not a single idea about how to win it, when they get one.
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Martin Boon thinks that telephone polls pick up too many left wing voters; Yougov think they pick up too many graduates. Both of these might skew the findings in favour of Remain.anothernick said:FPT
I understand that the case for saying the online polls overstate Leave is that Leavers are more politically engaged and probably older/retired so have more time to answer online surveys. This (allegedly) means they are likely to respond more quickly than Remainers and because online polling systems stop accepting responses from the various defined groups of voters when sampling quotas have been filled if the split of Leave/Remain amongst quick responders is not the same as the population as a whole the result of the poll will be unrepresentative.
This theory seems to have some logic to it - and clearly the punters and bookies believe it - but what is the counter-argument against phone polling? If we accept the online polls are right the phone polls must exaggerate Remain so why would Remainers be more likely to respond to phone calls than Leavers?0 -
Mr. Gin, I concur with your assessment of the campaigns and the support of Leave being oddly resilient. Perhaps that's indicative of how horrendous the EU is.0
