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Oh right, so if I joke about your ethnicity that's alright is it?TheScreamingEagles said:
Don't be an idiot, Sunil, who is a Leaver initially joked about Racist Remainers.blackburn63 said:
Yeah, I read it, you showed a tweet from a Ukip bloke and a picture of a black person and said Ukip and Leavers are racist. Oh, but it was a joke, because you've got a kooky sense of humour. You want it both ways mate, you're happy to wave the racist card about if it suits you.TheScreamingEagles said:
Oh God, you need to read the context of my post.blackburn63 said:
Calling Leavers racist eh? Good luck with making friends on 24/6TheScreamingEagles said:
Is Kippers and Leavers who are the real racists. See belowSunil_Prasannan said:
Yeah, yeah - we believe youTheScreamingEagles said:
The White Rose of Yorkshire old bean.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Racist REMAINER!TheScreamingEagles said:
I hope those 16 varieties of roses are all white?Cyclefree said:Good evening all.
I managed to go through my entire time at school studying history with barely a mention of Hitler, there being many many period of fascinating history to learn about, and now you can barely read the paper or switch on the radio without some idiot politician referring to him. Is there something in the water at Westminster?
This referendum is beginning to make me lose the will to live. Both campaigns are utter shite. If only they could both lose.
O/T HMQ's Birthday celebrations on ITV from Windsor is well worth watching. Some superb horsemanship and some bizarrely entrancing acts: Switzerland's Top Secret Drummers, for instance......
Also O/T the roses in my garden - I have 16 varieties - are full of buds and beginning to flower. It is going to be a wonderful year for them........
https://twitter.com/JamieRoss7/status/731937712152907776
Sunil jokingly called me a Racist Remainer because of my White Rose post, and I replied in kind.
Try reading and before opening your gob, and sticking your feet in there, and deciding to shoot said feet.
Like I said, you want it both ways, you wave that racist card in jest, I'll keep pointing out what a hypocrite you are. All in context, of course.0 -
On one poll, Labour voters comprised 50% of the REMAIN supporters and Cons were in the 30% range. Now, should REMAIN devote most of the airtime in the campaign to the Con voters or most to Labour voters? So far 2/3 through we have had circa 90% of the time on Con voters and 10% on Labour. But I am not unhappy with this ratio. REMAIN supporters should be but they think that their campaign is going wonderfully well.HYUFD said:
Remain cannot win with Labour voters alone, it has to get at least 35-40% of Tory voters + which is why it needs Cameron. In Scotland Tory voters were overwhelmingly for the Union, it needed a majority of Labour voters too which was why Darling fronted the campaignTCPoliticalBetting said:
Compare.Luckyguy1983 said:
And perhaps even more crucially, Better Together offered 'The Vow'; which enabled people to vote 'No' with a clear conscience. I don't see how a 'Vow' can be pulled out by Cameron - Europe can't and won't stump up any serious concessions, and anything 'homegrown' would simply beg the question of why it wasn't done before.Viceroy said:
Isn't there talk that Leave are keeping their powder dry and that will be near the end of the campaign? I certainly would use such a tactic: at the moment simply keep rebutting and laughing at Remain's terribly over the top scare stories which are going through one ear and out of the other (as shown by the polling).SouthamObserver said:Very puzzling. This referendum feels to me like it is Leave's to lose. In reducing immigration they have by far the most accessible argument and one that Remain just cannot counter.
It reminds me of the Indyref in Scotland how the polls starting moving towards Independence in the final weeks in the face of endless Unionist bs stories. In the end, the Unionists fell back on the emotional arguments which saved the day... a problem for Remain is that there is no emotional argument for Remain.
Scots referendum. The No (IN) campaign recognised that Labour voters were key and appointed Labour's Alistair Darling as its front man. Darling had a 56% trust rating with SLAB voters in the week before the vote.
European referendum. The biggest group of voters for REMAIN (IN) is going to come from Labour voters. REMAIN has had Cameron fronting REMAIN for 11 weeks. Cameron has an 11% trust rating with Labour voters.
Anyone explain the logic?0 -
Yup, you can joke about what you like.blackburn63 said:
Oh right, so if I joke about your ethnicity that's alright is it?TheScreamingEagles said:
Don't be an idiot, Sunil, who is a Leaver initially joked about Racist Remainers.blackburn63 said:
Yeah, I read it, you showed a tweet from a Ukip bloke and a picture of a black person and said Ukip and Leavers are racist. Oh, but it was a joke, because you've got a kooky sense of humour. You want it both ways mate, you're happy to wave the racist card about if it suits you.TheScreamingEagles said:
Oh God, you need to read the context of my post.blackburn63 said:
Calling Leavers racist eh? Good luck with making friends on 24/6TheScreamingEagles said:
Is Kippers and Leavers who are the real racists. See belowSunil_Prasannan said:
Yeah, yeah - we believe youTheScreamingEagles said:
The White Rose of Yorkshire old bean.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Racist REMAINER!TheScreamingEagles said:
I hope those 16 varieties of roses are all white?Cyclefree said:Good evening all.
I managed to go through my entire time at school studying history with barely a mention of Hitler, there being many many period of fascinating history to learn about, and now you can barely read the paper or switch on the radio without some idiot politician referring to him. Is there something in the water at Westminster?
This referendum is beginning to make me lose the will to live. Both campaigns are utter shite. If only they could both lose.
O/T HMQ's Birthday celebrations on ITV from Windsor is well worth watching. Some superb horsemanship and some bizarrely entrancing acts: Switzerland's Top Secret Drummers, for instance......
Also O/T the roses in my garden - I have 16 varieties - are full of buds and beginning to flower. It is going to be a wonderful year for them........
https://twitter.com/JamieRoss7/status/731937712152907776
Sunil jokingly called me a Racist Remainer because of my White Rose post, and I replied in kind.
Try reading and before opening your gob, and sticking your feet in there, and deciding to shoot said feet.
Like I said, you want it both ways, you wave that racist card in jest, I'll keep pointing out what a hypocrite you are. All in context, of course.0 -
My sympathies, I think I'm crap with gardening, I once killed a fake plastic bonsai tree.Cyclefree said:@TSE: I suffer from asthma and am allergic to tree pollen. Probably the reason I got hospitalised in NY last month. Hasn't stopped me being a passionate gardener. Keeps me sane. If only I could monetise my passion.....
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Any football fans on here that can name the English players that have won the Champions League?
I don't know but:
Beckham
Scholes
Neville
Neville
Butt
Terry
Lampard
Any more?
David May?0 -
Thanks, but I don't find racism funnyTheScreamingEagles said:
Yup, you can joke about what you like.blackburn63 said:
Oh right, so if I joke about your ethnicity that's alright is it?TheScreamingEagles said:
Don't be an idiot, Sunil, who is a Leaver initially joked about Racist Remainers.blackburn63 said:
Yeah, I read it, you showed a tweet from a Ukip bloke and a picture of a black person and said Ukip and Leavers are racist. Oh, but it was a joke, because you've got a kooky sense of humour. You want it both ways mate, you're happy to wave the racist card about if it suits you.TheScreamingEagles said:
Oh God, you need to read the context of my post.blackburn63 said:
Calling Leavers racist eh? Good luck with making friends on 24/6TheScreamingEagles said:
Is Kippers and Leavers who are the real racists. See belowSunil_Prasannan said:
Yeah, yeah - we believe youTheScreamingEagles said:
The White Rose of Yorkshire old bean.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Racist REMAINER!TheScreamingEagles said:
I hope those 16 varieties of roses are all white?Cyclefree said:Good evening all.
I managed to go through my entire time at school studying history with barely a mention of Hitler, there being many many period of fascinating history to learn about, and now you can barely read the paper or switch on the radio without some idiot politician referring to him. Is there something in the water at Westminster?
This referendum is beginning to make me lose the will to live. Both campaigns are utter shite. If only they could both lose.
O/T HMQ's Birthday celebrations on ITV from Windsor is well worth watching. Some superb horsemanship and some bizarrely entrancing acts: Switzerland's Top Secret Drummers, for instance......
Also O/T the roses in my garden - I have 16 varieties - are full of buds and beginning to flower. It is going to be a wonderful year for them........
https://twitter.com/JamieRoss7/status/731937712152907776
Sunil jokingly called me a Racist Remainer because of my White Rose post, and I replied in kind.
Try reading and before opening your gob, and sticking your feet in there, and deciding to shoot said feet.
Like I said, you want it both ways, you wave that racist card in jest, I'll keep pointing out what a hypocrite you are. All in context, of course.0 -
TCPoliticalBetting said:
Yes, so without those 30% Remain would lose without question. Labour voters are 75/25 Remain out of 30% of the electorate, the Tories about 60/40 Leave out of 37% of the electorate so Remain needs to ensure it gets enough Tories to win. Leave of course is reliant on UKIP voters as its core vote, Vote Leave is ignoring them (and Labour voters to a large extent) and just concentrating on Tories tooHYUFD said:
On one poll, Labour voters comprised 50% of the REMAIN supporters and Cons were in the 30% range. Now, should REMAIN devote most of the airtime in the campaign to the Con voters or most to Labour voters? So far 2/3 through we have had circa 90% of the time on Con voters and 10% on Labour. But I am not unhappy with this ratio. REMAIN supporters should be but they think that their campaign is going wonderfully well.TCPoliticalBetting said:
Remain cannot win with Labour voters alone, it has to get at least 35-40% of Tory voters + which is why it needs Cameron. In Scotland Tory voters were overwhelmingly for the Union, it needed a majority of Labour voters too which was why Darling fronted the campaignLuckyguy1983 said:
Compare.Viceroy said:
Isn't there talk that Leave are keeping their powder dry and that will be near the end of the campaign? I certainlyy, Better Together offered 'The Vow'; which enabled people to vote 'No' with a clear conscience. I don't see how a 'Vow' can be pulled out by Cameron - Europe can't and won't stump up any serious concessions, and anything 'homegrown' would simply beg the question of why it wasn't done before.SouthamObserver said:Very puzzling. This referendum feels to me like it is Leave's to lose. In reducing immigration they have by far the most accessible argument and one that Remain just cannot counter.
Scots referendum. The No (IN) campaign recognised that Labour voters were key and appointed Labour's Alistair Darling as its front man. Darling had a 56% trust rating with SLAB voters in the week before the vote.
European referendum. The biggest group of voters for REMAIN (IN) is going to come from Labour voters. REMAIN has had Cameron fronting REMAIN for 11 weeks. Cameron has an 11% trust rating with Labour voters.
Anyone explain the logic?0 -
Idiot? Moi?TheScreamingEagles said:
Don't be an idiot, Sunilblackburn63 said:
Yeah, I read it, you showed a tweet from a Ukip bloke and a picture of a black person and said Ukip and Leavers are racist. Oh, but it was a joke, because you've got a kooky sense of humour. You want it both ways mate, you're happy to wave the racist card about if it suits you.TheScreamingEagles said:
Oh God, you need to read the context of my post.blackburn63 said:
Calling Leavers racist eh? Good luck with making friends on 24/6TheScreamingEagles said:
Is Kippers and Leavers who are the real racists. See belowSunil_Prasannan said:
Yeah, yeah - we believe youTheScreamingEagles said:
The White Rose of Yorkshire old bean.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Racist REMAINER!TheScreamingEagles said:
I hope those 16 varieties of roses are all white?Cyclefree said:Good evening all.
I managed to go through my entire time at school studying history with barely a mention of Hitler, there being many many period of fascinating history to learn about, and now you can barely read the paper or switch on the radio without some idiot politician referring to him. Is there something in the water at Westminster?
This referendum is beginning to make me lose the will to live. Both campaigns are utter shite. If only they could both lose.
O/T HMQ's Birthday celebrations on ITV from Windsor is well worth watching. Some superb horsemanship and some bizarrely entrancing acts: Switzerland's Top Secret Drummers, for instance......
Also O/T the roses in my garden - I have 16 varieties - are full of buds and beginning to flower. It is going to be a wonderful year for them........
https://twitter.com/JamieRoss7/status/731937712152907776
Sunil jokingly called me a Racist Remainer because of my White Rose post, and I replied in kind.
Try reading and before opening your gob, and sticking your feet in there, and deciding to shoot said feet.0 -
Steve McManaman, Owen Hargreaves, Jamie Carragher, Steven Gerrard, Gary Cahill, Ashley Cole, Ryan Betrand.blackburn63 said:Any football fans on here that can name the English players that have won the Champions League?
I don't know but:
Beckham
Scholes
Neville
Neville
Butt
Terry
Lampard
Any more?
David May?
Plus do players on the bench but didn't come on in the final count?0 -
I've found mocking racists hilarious.blackburn63 said:
Thanks, but I don't find racism funnyTheScreamingEagles said:
Yup, you can joke about what you like.blackburn63 said:
Oh right, so if I joke about your ethnicity that's alright is it?TheScreamingEagles said:
Don't be an idiot, Sunil, who is a Leaver initially joked about Racist Remainers.blackburn63 said:
Yeah, I read it, you showed a tweet from a Ukip bloke and a picture of a black person and said Ukip and Leavers are racist. Oh, but it was a joke, because you've got a kooky sense of humour. You want it both ways mate, you're happy to wave the racist card about if it suits you.TheScreamingEagles said:
Oh God, you need to read the context of my post.blackburn63 said:
Calling Leavers racist eh? Good luck with making friends on 24/6TheScreamingEagles said:
Is Kippers and Leavers who are the real racists. See belowSunil_Prasannan said:
Yeah, yeah - we believe youTheScreamingEagles said:
The White Rose of Yorkshire old bean.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Racist REMAINER!TheScreamingEagles said:
I hope those 16 varieties of roses are all white?Cyclefree said:Good evening all.
I managed to go through my entire time at school studying history with barely a mention of Hitler, there being many many period of fascinating history to learn about, and now you can barely read the paper or switch on the radio without some idiot politician referring to him. Is there something in the water at Westminster?
This referendum is beginning to make me lose the will to live. Both campaigns are utter shite. If only they could both lose.
O/T HMQ's Birthday celebrations on ITV from Windsor is well worth watching. Some superb horsemanship and some bizarrely entrancing acts: Switzerland's Top Secret Drummers, for instance......
Also O/T the roses in my garden - I have 16 varieties - are full of buds and beginning to flower. It is going to be a wonderful year for them........
https://twitter.com/JamieRoss7/status/731937712152907776
Sunil jokingly called me a Racist Remainer because of my White Rose post, and I replied in kind.
Try reading and before opening your gob, and sticking your feet in there, and deciding to shoot said feet.
Like I said, you want it both ways, you wave that racist card in jest, I'll keep pointing out what a hypocrite you are. All in context, of course.0 -
Crickey Cameron writing in the mirror, whatever next? Claims of brexit could start WWIII or invoking Hitler as a reason to leave...oh wait...0
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He did a piece with John Reid for the Mirror during the AV referendumFrancisUrquhart said:Crickey Cameron writing in the mirror, whatever next? Claims of brexit could start WWIII or invoking Hitler as a reason to leave...oh wait...
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Football should be played with the FEET - the clue is in the nameTim_B said:
You keep harping on about this - both codes of rugby football (union and league) are played with the hands, as is Aussie rules football.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Americans playing FOOTball with their handsTim_B said:I'm not a soccer fan per se, but am loving a book called Soccernomics. It's similar to sabermetrics about baseball I think.
It contains a chapter called 'Why England loses'. It can be summed up as 'you overvalue your football heritage and undervalue the benefits of innovation'.
Is that a fair assessment?0 -
Yesblackburn63 said:@thescreamingeagles
To your knowledge has anybody been banned from this site for racist remarks?0 -
Ross turnbull & Daniel sturridge were on the bench when chelski won.0
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HypocriteTheScreamingEagles said:
Yesblackburn63 said:@thescreamingeagles
To your knowledge has anybody been banned from this site for racist remarks?0 -
So was Scott Carson in 2005 when Liverpool wonFrancisUrquhart said:Ross turnbull & Daniel sturridge were on the bench when chelski won.
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Personally, I don't see what the problem is with the colour of any actor's skin playing any role. Othello was played by white people for years with no objection, and women play men and men play women in pantomimes, to the delight of many.RodCrosby said:
The British Brainwashing Corporation's days are numbered, hopefully.TheScreamingEagles said:
Is Kippers and Leavers who are the real racists. See belowSunil_Prasannan said:
Yeah, yeah - we believe youTheScreamingEagles said:
The White Rose of Yorkshire old bean.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Racist REMAINER!TheScreamingEagles said:
I hope those 16 varieties of roses are all white?Cyclefree said:Good evening all.
I managed to go through my entire time at school studying history with barely a mention of Hitler, there being many many period of fascinating history to learn about, and now you can barely read the paper or switch on the radio without some idiot politician referring to him. Is there something in the water at Westminster?
This referendum is beginning to make me lose the will to live. Both campaigns are utter shite. If only they could both lose.
O/T HMQ's Birthday celebrations on ITV from Windsor is well worth watching. Some superb horsemanship and some bizarrely entrancing acts: Switzerland's Top Secret Drummers, for instance......
Also O/T the roses in my garden - I have 16 varieties - are full of buds and beginning to flower. It is going to be a wonderful year for them........
https://twitter.com/JamieRoss7/status/731937712152907776
The woman in question couldn't act to save her life, in any event...0 -
Brown Carrick Rooney ferdinand for man utd in 2008.0
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Awful final for a Liverpool fan, you wanted them to both lose.FrancisUrquhart said:Brown Carrick Rooney ferdinand for man utd in 2008.
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We have missed really obvious ones...Sheringham & Cole0
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Am I just half-asleep, or is the syntax of that headline appalling.Plato_Says said:0 -
They missed out 'Please, pretty please"Danny565 said:
Am I just half-asleep, or is the syntax of that headline appalling.Plato_Says said:
They also missed out the editorial
"Grovel, grovel, cringe, bow, stoop, fawn"0 -
Needs some additional punctuation.Danny565 said:
Am I just half-asleep, or is the syntax of that headline appalling.Plato_Says said:twitter.com/PlatoSays/status/731977622712946689
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Well well well, Cameron pleading with Labour voters to save his skin, did anyone predict that would happen?Plato_Says said:
He's fucked, well and truly, a laughing stock.0 -
How about noticing the distinction between fictional characters, and historical characters?MTimT said:
Personally, I don't see what the problem is with the colour of any actor's skin playing any role. Othello was played by white people for years with no objection, and women play men and men play women in pantomimes, to the delight of many.RodCrosby said:
The British Brainwashing Corporation's days are numbered, hopefully.TheScreamingEagles said:
Is Kippers and Leavers who are the real racists. See belowSunil_Prasannan said:
Yeah, yeah - we believe youTheScreamingEagles said:
The White Rose of Yorkshire old bean.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Racist REMAINER!TheScreamingEagles said:
I hope those 16 varieties of roses are all white?Cyclefree said:Good evening all.
I managed to go through my entire time at school studying history with barely a mention of Hitler, there being many many period of fascinating history to learn about, and now you can barely read the paper or switch on the radio without some idiot politician referring to him. Is there something in the water at Westminster?
This referendum is beginning to make me lose the will to live. Both campaigns are utter shite. If only they could both lose.
O/T HMQ's Birthday celebrations on ITV from Windsor is well worth watching. Some superb horsemanship and some bizarrely entrancing acts: Switzerland's Top Secret Drummers, for instance......
Also O/T the roses in my garden - I have 16 varieties - are full of buds and beginning to flower. It is going to be a wonderful year for them........
https://twitter.com/JamieRoss7/status/731937712152907776
The woman in question couldn't act to save her life, in any event...
Or will we have a Black (or Jewish) Hitler anytime soon on our screen?0 -
Yes, shocking behavior to encourage people who share your point of view to come out to vote.blackburn63 said:
Well well well, Cameron pleading with Labour voters to save his skin, did anyone predict that would happen?Plato_Says said:twitter.com/PlatoSays/status/731977622712946689
He's fucked, well and truly, a laughing stock.0 -
Mirror readers support Cameron's point of view?RobD said:
Yes, shocking behavior to encourage people who share your point of view to come out to vote.blackburn63 said:
Well well well, Cameron pleading with Labour voters to save his skin, did anyone predict that would happen?Plato_Says said:twitter.com/PlatoSays/status/731977622712946689
He's fucked, well and truly, a laughing stock.
You're as deluded as he is.0 -
Yeah, I mean he did the same during the AV and Scottish Independence Referenda.RobD said:
Yes, shocking behavior to encourage people who share your point of view to come out to vote.blackburn63 said:
Well well well, Cameron pleading with Labour voters to save his skin, did anyone predict that would happen?Plato_Says said:twitter.com/PlatoSays/status/731977622712946689
He's fucked, well and truly, a laughing stock.0 -
It's possible to overthink this. England lose because England are not very good.Tim_B said:I'm not a soccer fan per se, but am loving a book called Soccernomics. It's similar to sabermetrics about baseball I think.
It contains a chapter called 'Why England loses'. It can be summed up as 'you overvalue your football heritage and undervalue the benefits of innovation'.
Is that a fair assessment?0 -
Some may, on this issue, yes.blackburn63 said:
Mirror readers support Cameron's point of view?RobD said:
Yes, shocking behavior to encourage people who share your point of view to come out to vote.blackburn63 said:
Well well well, Cameron pleading with Labour voters to save his skin, did anyone predict that would happen?Plato_Says said:twitter.com/PlatoSays/status/731977622712946689
He's fucked, well and truly, a laughing stock.
You're as deluded as he is.0 -
Did many Daily Mirror readers vote in Indyref?TheScreamingEagles said:
Yeah, I mean he did the same during the AV and Scottish Independence Referenda.RobD said:
Yes, shocking behavior to encourage people who share your point of view to come out to vote.blackburn63 said:
Well well well, Cameron pleading with Labour voters to save his skin, did anyone predict that would happen?Plato_Says said:twitter.com/PlatoSays/status/731977622712946689
He's fucked, well and truly, a laughing stock.0 -
We're in a curious position when Cameron is trying to woo Mirror readers. Does he feel that despite having crap credentials for such a task, he can't ask another in case it undermines himself?weejonnie said:
They missed out 'Please, pretty please"Danny565 said:
Am I just half-asleep, or is the syntax of that headline appalling.Plato_Says said:
They also missed out the editorial
"Grovel, grovel, cringe, bow, stoop, fawn"0 -
Has Cameron invoked the corbyn defence...eu it's shit but if we leave all you
oikshard working folk will lose all your worker rights.0 -
lol, so it isDanny565 said:
Am I just half-asleep, or is the syntax of that headline appalling.Plato_Says said:0 -
Well their Scottish sister paper, the Daily Record.blackburn63 said:
Did many Daily Mirror readers vote in Indyref?TheScreamingEagles said:
Yeah, I mean he did the same during the AV and Scottish Independence Referenda.RobD said:
Yes, shocking behavior to encourage people who share your point of view to come out to vote.blackburn63 said:
Well well well, Cameron pleading with Labour voters to save his skin, did anyone predict that would happen?Plato_Says said:twitter.com/PlatoSays/status/731977622712946689
He's fucked, well and truly, a laughing stock.
It was quite memorable.0 -
Vote Remain to protect yourself from my government...FrancisUrquhart said:Has Cameron invoked the corbyn defence...eu it's shit but if we leave all you
oikshard working folk will lose all your worker rights.0 -
Yes but I asked about the Daily Mirror.TheScreamingEagles said:
Well their Scottish sister paper, the Daily Record.blackburn63 said:
Did many Daily Mirror readers vote in Indyref?TheScreamingEagles said:
Yeah, I mean he did the same during the AV and Scottish Independence Referenda.RobD said:
Yes, shocking behavior to encourage people who share your point of view to come out to vote.blackburn63 said:
Well well well, Cameron pleading with Labour voters to save his skin, did anyone predict that would happen?Plato_Says said:twitter.com/PlatoSays/status/731977622712946689
He's fucked, well and truly, a laughing stock.
It was quite memorable.
The barrel scraping is embarrassing, the private polling must be even worse than we thought for Cameron to be pleading with Andy Capp.0 -
Do people think that if private polls were showing a 7-point REMAIN lead, Cameron would currently be on holidays in Cornwall rather than, y'know, campaigning in the referendum that will define his premiership?0
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Nicola's "triumph" (sic) continues......first it was OBFA, now it's APD:
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This is why he's done for, he's clearly been told that conservative voters are for OUT and now, in one last humiliating roll of the dice he's pleading with the enemy. The result of the EU is irrelevant now, he's lost it, finished.0
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I wonder why the Tories are opposing the APD cut? You'd have thought that the SNP would be able to count on their support on this issue.CarlottaVance said:Nicola's "triumph" (sic) continues......first it was OBFA, now it's APD:
http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/snp-facing-pressure-to-axe-plans-to-cut-air-passenger-duty-1-41288230 -
Fatty Soames will do a photo shoot in a working men's club next, pie and pint in hand, showing off his whippet.0
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Since the APD cut will be paid for by cuts to council services - another bung to the middle class at the expense of the poor, perhaps the Tories are outflanking them on the left again?RobD said:
I wonder why the Tories are opposing the APD cut? You'd have thought that the SNP would be able to count on their support on this issue.CarlottaVance said:Nicola's "triumph" (sic) continues......first it was OBFA, now it's APD:
http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/snp-facing-pressure-to-axe-plans-to-cut-air-passenger-duty-1-41288230 -
Foxinus said
'Rod may have some fairly rum ideas about 20th century history, but what a forecaster. I may be tempted to put some of todays winnings on Trump, despite Jacks ARSE for US.'
Actually Rod was a bit out in his forecast of the likely Tory lead. On the basis of the 2014 local elections he predicted a Tory lead over Labour of 8.4% - compared with the 2010 margin of 7.3%. The actual 2015 result produced a Tory lead of 6.6% - so instead of a slight swing to the Tories we saw a small swing to Labour.
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Now you'll made me feel bad each time I get annoyed at the APD!CarlottaVance said:
Since the APD cut will be paid for by cuts to council services - another bung to the middle class at the expense of the poor, perhaps the Tories are outflanking them on the left again?RobD said:
I wonder why the Tories are opposing the APD cut? You'd have thought that the SNP would be able to count on their support on this issue.CarlottaVance said:Nicola's "triumph" (sic) continues......first it was OBFA, now it's APD:
http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/snp-facing-pressure-to-axe-plans-to-cut-air-passenger-duty-1-41288230 -
I hear there is no single market in services but there don't appear to be any tariffs for them anywhere either. If Jean Claude wanted to get someone in the USA to write some software for him, would be pay import duty in the EU?0
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Terry famously didn't play in the final.blackburn63 said:Any football fans on here that can name the English players that have won the Champions League?
I don't know but:
Beckham
Scholes
Neville
Neville
Butt
Terry
Lampard
Any more?
David May?0 -
Oh, I see... you expected me to be perfectly in the geometrical centre of the bullseye?justin124 said:Foxinus said
'Rod may have some fairly rum ideas about 20th century history, but what a forecaster. I may be tempted to put some of todays winnings on Trump, despite Jacks ARSE for US.'
Actually Rod was a bit out in his forecast of the likely Tory lead. On the basis of the 2014 local elections he predicted a Tory lead over Labour of 8.4% - compared with the 2010 margin of 7.3%. The actual 2015 result produced a Tory lead of 6.6% - so instead of a slight swing to the Tories we saw a small swing to Labour.
Were you even on the board?0 -
mcmanamanblackburn63 said:Any football fans on here that can name the English players that have won the Champions League?
I don't know but:
Beckham
Scholes
Neville
Neville
Butt
Terry
Lampard
Any more?
David May?0 -
Next up, Osborne writing in the Morning Star?blackburn63 said:
Well well well, Cameron pleading with Labour voters to save his skin, did anyone predict that would happen?
He's fucked, well and truly, a laughing stock.
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http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/14493634.Revealed___Glasgow_effect__mortality_rate_blamed_on_Westminster_social_engineering/?ref=eblnCarlottaVance said:Nicola's "triumph" (sic) continues......first it was OBFA, now it's APD:
http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/snp-facing-pressure-to-axe-plans-to-cut-air-passenger-duty-1-4128823
though the headline is misleading, because it seems to say it was a combination of scottish office and local policies, followed by thatcherism as the icing on the cake.
But fair to say that labour in scotland probably pretty much deserves the kicking it is belatedly getting0 -
Or the correct wall...RodCrosby said:
Oh, I see... you expected me to be perfectly in the geometrical centre of the bullseye?justin124 said:Foxinus said
'Rod may have some fairly rum ideas about 20th century history, but what a forecaster. I may be tempted to put some of todays winnings on Trump, despite Jacks ARSE for US.'
Actually Rod was a bit out in his forecast of the likely Tory lead. On the basis of the 2014 local elections he predicted a Tory lead over Labour of 8.4% - compared with the 2010 margin of 7.3%. The actual 2015 result produced a Tory lead of 6.6% - so instead of a slight swing to the Tories we saw a small swing to Labour.
Were you even on the board?0 -
Sorry I was not wishing to be critical really - I have great respect for your analytical skills and always look forward to reading your forecasts. I just thought that someone else was overegging things a touch.RodCrosby said:
Or the correct wall...RodCrosby said:
Oh, I see... you expected me to be perfectly in the geometrical centre of the bullseye?justin124 said:Foxinus said
'Rod may have some fairly rum ideas about 20th century history, but what a forecaster. I may be tempted to put some of todays winnings on Trump, despite Jacks ARSE for US.'
Actually Rod was a bit out in his forecast of the likely Tory lead. On the basis of the 2014 local elections he predicted a Tory lead over Labour of 8.4% - compared with the 2010 margin of 7.3%. The actual 2015 result produced a Tory lead of 6.6% - so instead of a slight swing to the Tories we saw a small swing to Labour.
Were you even on the board?
Your post 2014 local election prediction ,of course, preceded the Independence Referendum at a time when the Labour collapse in Scotland was not reasonably foreseeable. I would simply point out that had it not been for Scotland the Tory national lead over Labour would have come out somewhere in the 5 to 5.5% range .
I was a little surprised by your comments of a week ago re - the 2016 local election results when you suggested that they implied a Tory majority in 2020. At the equivalent point in the last Parliament - May 2011 - Labour was 1% behind the Tories on the basis of the NEV. This year the NEV shows Labour with a 1% lead - thus a 1% con to Lab swing compared with 2011. Surely if the pattern of the last Parliament repeats itself the implied 2020 outcome would be a Tory lead of 4.6% - probably not enough for an overall majority.0 -
A costly error by the United ground staff.
Now let’s see …
Refund of travel expenses for 75,000 fans
Either return rail tickets from Bournemouth (away fans),
Or return rail tickets from London (home fans) £8 million
Refund of match tickets £6 million
Reprint of match day programmes £0.3 million
Making the club a laughing stock in world football PRICELESS!
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One of the co-authors of the report has tweeted that the 'Westminster' headline is misleading:dugarbandier said:
http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/14493634.Revealed___Glasgow_effect__mortality_rate_blamed_on_Westminster_social_engineering/?ref=eblnCarlottaVance said:Nicola's "triumph" (sic) continues......first it was OBFA, now it's APD:
http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/snp-facing-pressure-to-axe-plans-to-cut-air-passenger-duty-1-4128823
though the headline is misleading
Chik Collins @chikcollinsuws 17h17 hours ago
@LeaskyHT @jackiekemp @BBCRadioScot Headline in @newsundayherald inaccurate and misleading. Not what reported or conveyed to journalist.
Chik Collins @chikcollinsuws 16h16 hours ago
@jackiekemp @LeaskyHT @BBCRadioScot Didn't think so. Causality not reducible to 'Westminster'. Much done within Scotland.
Just as well there aren't professional grievance mongers around in Scottish politics, eh?0 -
Executive summary - much more nuanced than 'It was Westminster's fault'CarlottaVance said:
One of the co-authors of the report has tweeted that the 'Westminster' headline is misleading:dugarbandier said:
http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/14493634.Revealed___Glasgow_effect__mortality_rate_blamed_on_Westminster_social_engineering/?ref=eblnCarlottaVance said:Nicola's "triumph" (sic) continues......first it was OBFA, now it's APD:
http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/snp-facing-pressure-to-axe-plans-to-cut-air-passenger-duty-1-4128823
though the headline is misleading
http://www.gcph.co.uk/assets/0000/5573/Executive_summary_excess_mortality_2016.pdf
Simply blaming Westminster isn't going to provide a solution (since the New Towns Policy was only one part of the problem), assuming, that is, you are looking for a solution, and not just grievance.
I grew up in a Scottish council House - solidly built, warm & well maintained - so the 'Glasgow Housing Problem' was a 'Glasgow' problem, not a 'Scottish' one, let alone 'Westminster'.0 -
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Made by 'piffle'shiney2 said:Hello Britain!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0pwXLtvt2w&feature=youtu.be
A perfect start!
An apposite name....
Or would 'Project Rubbish Fear' be even more so?
Forced adoption of the Euro?
Forced end of common law/jury trials?
Forced accession to Schengen?
Is this a message VoteLeave support?0 -
was the new towns policy popular (or was it not well publicised)?CarlottaVance said:
Executive summary - much more nuanced than 'It was Westminster's fault'CarlottaVance said:
One of the co-authors of the report has tweeted that the 'Westminster' headline is misleading:dugarbandier said:
http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/14493634.Revealed___Glasgow_effect__mortality_rate_blamed_on_Westminster_social_engineering/?ref=eblnCarlottaVance said:Nicola's "triumph" (sic) continues......first it was OBFA, now it's APD:
http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/snp-facing-pressure-to-axe-plans-to-cut-air-passenger-duty-1-4128823
though the headline is misleading
http://www.gcph.co.uk/assets/0000/5573/Executive_summary_excess_mortality_2016.pdf
Simply blaming Westminster isn't going to provide a solution (since the New Towns Policy was only one part of the problem), assuming, that is, you are looking for a solution, and not just grievance.
I grew up in a Scottish council House - solidly built, warm & well maintained - so the 'Glasgow Housing Problem' was a 'Glasgow' problem, not a 'Scottish' one, let alone 'Westminster'.
You could maybe make a case that there would have been more effective scrutiny with a greater degree of devolved govt. Can't see any excuses for Glasgow city council though0 -
It's the policy of influential REMAINERS - check out Heseltine, Mandelson etcCarlottaVance said:
Made by 'piffle'shiney2 said:Hello Britain!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0pwXLtvt2w&feature=youtu.be
A perfect start!
An apposite name....
Or would 'Project Rubbish Fear' be even more so?
Forced adoption of the Euro?
Forced end of common law/jury trials?
Forced accession to Schengen?
Is this a message VoteLeave support?
We're for national parliamentary democracy . Are you?0 -
Indeed, if a virus hunter in Indonesia finds a new flu virus, passes it through a genome reader, email's the genome to a colleague at Erasmus University where the email attachment is used to print the viral genome, from which a vaccine is ultimately produced which is sold in the hundreds of millions of doses around the world, has an import occurred and how should it be taxed?BenedictWhite said:I hear there is no single market in services but there don't appear to be any tariffs for them anywhere either. If Jean Claude wanted to get someone in the USA to write some software for him, would be pay import duty in the EU?
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The New Towns policy was very popular - but it was done by the Scottish Office which was often run as a personal fiefdom of the SoS - both Labour & Unionist. One of the authors makes the point that in England 'New Towns' were handled differently - so its simplistic (and wrong) to lay the blame at 'Westminster'....dugarbandier said:
was the new towns policy popular (or was it not well publicised)?CarlottaVance said:
Executive summary - much more nuanced than 'It was Westminster's fault'CarlottaVance said:
One of the co-authors of the report has tweeted that the 'Westminster' headline is misleading:dugarbandier said:
http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/14493634.Revealed___Glasgow_effect__mortality_rate_blamed_on_Westminster_social_engineering/?ref=eblnCarlottaVance said:Nicola's "triumph" (sic) continues......first it was OBFA, now it's APD:
http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/snp-facing-pressure-to-axe-plans-to-cut-air-passenger-duty-1-4128823
though the headline is misleading
http://www.gcph.co.uk/assets/0000/5573/Executive_summary_excess_mortality_2016.pdf
Simply blaming Westminster isn't going to provide a solution (since the New Towns Policy was only one part of the problem), assuming, that is, you are looking for a solution, and not just grievance.
I grew up in a Scottish council House - solidly built, warm & well maintained - so the 'Glasgow Housing Problem' was a 'Glasgow' problem, not a 'Scottish' one, let alone 'Westminster'.
You could maybe make a case that there would have been more effective scrutiny with a greater degree of devolved govt. Can't see any excuses for Glasgow city council though0 -
Link?shiney2 said:
It's the policy of influential REMAINERS - check out Heseltine, MandelsonCarlottaVance said:
Made by 'piffle'shiney2 said:Hello Britain!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0pwXLtvt2w&feature=youtu.be
A perfect start!
An apposite name....
Or would 'Project Rubbish Fear' be even more so?
Forced adoption of the Euro?
Forced end of common law/jury trials?
Forced accession to Schengen?
Is this a message VoteLeave support?
In particular I'd be fascinated to see any evidence of LEAVE believing that the Common Law is to be overturned (Scottish Law has survived 300 years of Union), or that the UK will be forced into Schengen.....
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CarlottaVance said:
Link?shiney2 said:
It's the policy of influential REMAINERS - check out Heseltine, MandelsonCarlottaVance said:
Made by 'piffle'shiney2 said:Hello Britain!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0pwXLtvt2w&feature=youtu.be
A perfect start!
An apposite name....
Or would 'Project Rubbish Fear' be even more so?
Forced adoption of the Euro?
Forced end of common law/jury trials?
Forced accession to Schengen?
Is this a message VoteLeave support?
In particular I'd be fascinated to see any evidence of LEAVE believing that the Common Law is to be overturned (Scottish Law has survived 300 years of Union), or that the UK will be forced into Schengen.....
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/228848/7310.pdf
You are a silly.0 -
Cite the Articles involved - since you claim to know them......shiney2 said:CarlottaVance said:
Link?shiney2 said:
It's the policy of influential REMAINERS - check out Heseltine, MandelsonCarlottaVance said:
Made by 'piffle'shiney2 said:Hello Britain!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0pwXLtvt2w&feature=youtu.be
A perfect start!
An apposite name....
Or would 'Project Rubbish Fear' be even more so?
Forced adoption of the Euro?
Forced end of common law/jury trials?
Forced accession to Schengen?
Is this a message VoteLeave support?
In particular I'd be fascinated to see any evidence of LEAVE believing that the Common Law is to be overturned (Scottish Law has survived 300 years of Union), or that the UK will be forced into Schengen.....
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/228848/7310.pdf
You are a silly.
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sure.CarlottaVance said:
Cite the Articles involved - since you claim to know them......shiney2 said:CarlottaVance said:
Link?shiney2 said:
It's the policy of influential REMAINERS - check out Heseltine, MandelsonCarlottaVance said:
Made by 'piffle'shiney2 said:Hello Britain!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0pwXLtvt2w&feature=youtu.be
A perfect start!
An apposite name....
Or would 'Project Rubbish Fear' be even more so?
Forced adoption of the Euro?
Forced end of common law/jury trials?
Forced accession to Schengen?
Is this a message VoteLeave support?
In particular I'd be fascinated to see any evidence of LEAVE believing that the Common Law is to be overturned (Scottish Law has survived 300 years of Union), or that the UK will be forced into Schengen.....
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/228848/7310.pdf
You are a silly.
'Ever closer union'
it means what it says and its UK law.0 -
Where does it say 'end to Jury Trials'?shiney2 said:
sure.CarlottaVance said:
Cite the Articles involved - since you claim to know them......shiney2 said:CarlottaVance said:
Link?shiney2 said:
It's the policy of influential REMAINERS - check out Heseltine, MandelsonCarlottaVance said:
Made by 'piffle'shiney2 said:Hello Britain!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0pwXLtvt2w&feature=youtu.be
A perfect start!
An apposite name....
Or would 'Project Rubbish Fear' be even more so?
Forced adoption of the Euro?
Forced end of common law/jury trials?
Forced accession to Schengen?
Is this a message VoteLeave support?
In particular I'd be fascinated to see any evidence of LEAVE believing that the Common Law is to be overturned (Scottish Law has survived 300 years of Union), or that the UK will be forced into Schengen.....
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/228848/7310.pdf
You are a silly.
'Ever closer union'
it means what it says and its UK law.
It doesn't.
Your cartoon is indeed 'piffle'.....0 -
I am and I see no threat to it from continued EU membership. We are sovereign, as this referendum demonstrates.shiney2 said:
It's the policy of influential REMAINERS - check out Heseltine, Mandelson etcCarlottaVance said:
Made by 'piffle'shiney2 said:Hello Britain!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0pwXLtvt2w&feature=youtu.be
A perfect start!
An apposite name....
Or would 'Project Rubbish Fear' be even more so?
Forced adoption of the Euro?
Forced end of common law/jury trials?
Forced accession to Schengen?
Is this a message VoteLeave support?
We're for national parliamentary democracy . Are you?
0 -
He's flailing.SouthamObserver said:
I am and I see no threat to it from continued EU membership. We are sovereign, as this referendum demonstrates.shiney2 said:
It's the policy of influential REMAINERS - check out Heseltine, Mandelson etcCarlottaVance said:
Made by 'piffle'shiney2 said:Hello Britain!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0pwXLtvt2w&feature=youtu.be
A perfect start!
An apposite name....
Or would 'Project Rubbish Fear' be even more so?
Forced adoption of the Euro?
Forced end of common law/jury trials?
Forced accession to Schengen?
Is this a message VoteLeave support?
We're for national parliamentary democracy . Are you?
Chapter 1
Article 67
1. The Union shall constitute an area of freedom, security and justice with respect for fundamental rights and the different legal systems and traditions of the Member States.0 -
We are sovereign in any area until it becomes an EU Competence. Then we are not.SouthamObserver said:
I am and I see no threat to it from continued EU membership. We are sovereign, as this referendum demonstrates.shiney2 said:
It's the policy of influential REMAINERS - check out Heseltine, Mandelson etcCarlottaVance said:
Made by 'piffle'shiney2 said:Hello Britain!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0pwXLtvt2w&feature=youtu.be
A perfect start!
An apposite name....
Or would 'Project Rubbish Fear' be even more so?
Forced adoption of the Euro?
Forced end of common law/jury trials?
Forced accession to Schengen?
Is this a message VoteLeave support?
We're for national parliamentary democracy . Are you?
As and when referendums become an eu competence, we will hold them when we are permitted to.0 -
Title VII
Article 10
5. The United Kingdom may, at any time afterwards, notify the Council of its wish to participate in acts which have ceased to apply to it pursuant to paragraph 4, first subparagraph. In that case, the relevant provisions of the Protocol on the Schengen acquis integrated into the framework of the European Union or of the Protocol on the position of the United Kingdom and Ireland in respect of the area of freedom, security and justice, as the case may be, shall apply.
So it's up to the United Kingdom whether it participates in Schengen......0 -
'respect for' clearly does not prevent their supercession. eg prisoner voting 'rights'.CarlottaVance said:
He's flailing.SouthamObserver said:
I am and I see no threat to it from continued EU membership. We are sovereign, as this referendum demonstrates.shiney2 said:
It's the policy of influential REMAINERS - check out Heseltine, Mandelson etcCarlottaVance said:
Made by 'piffle'shiney2 said:Hello Britain!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0pwXLtvt2w&feature=youtu.be
A perfect start!
An apposite name....
Or would 'Project Rubbish Fear' be even more so?
Forced adoption of the Euro?
Forced end of common law/jury trials?
Forced accession to Schengen?
Is this a message VoteLeave support?
We're for national parliamentary democracy . Are you?
Chapter 1
Article 67
1. The Union shall constitute an area of freedom, security and justice with respect for fundamental rights and the different legal systems and traditions of the Member States.0 -
And finally:
PROTOCOL
1. Unless the United Kingdom notifies the Council that it intends to adopt the euro, it shall be under no obligation to do so.
Thanks for providing the link to the Treaty of Lisbon - which disproves each of your claims.....0 -
Where does it say 'end of jury trials'?shiney2 said:
'respect for' clearly does not prevent their supercession. eg prisoner voting 'rights'.CarlottaVance said:
He's flailing.SouthamObserver said:
I am and I see no threat to it from continued EU membership. We are sovereign, as this referendum demonstrates.shiney2 said:
It's the policy of influential REMAINERS - check out Heseltine, Mandelson etcCarlottaVance said:
Made by 'piffle'shiney2 said:Hello Britain!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0pwXLtvt2w&feature=youtu.be
A perfect start!
An apposite name....
Or would 'Project Rubbish Fear' be even more so?
Forced adoption of the Euro?
Forced end of common law/jury trials?
Forced accession to Schengen?
Is this a message VoteLeave support?
We're for national parliamentary democracy . Are you?
Chapter 1
Article 67
1. The Union shall constitute an area of freedom, security and justice with respect for fundamental rights and the different legal systems and traditions of the Member States.
It doesn't
You're embarrassing yourself.....0 -
Where has this been proposed?shiney2 said:
As and when referendums become an eu competence, we will hold them when we are permitted to.SouthamObserver said:
I am and I see no threat to it from continued EU membership. We are sovereign, as this referendum demonstrates.shiney2 said:
It's the policy of influential REMAINERS - check out Heseltine, Mandelson etcCarlottaVance said:
Made by 'piffle'shiney2 said:Hello Britain!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0pwXLtvt2w&feature=youtu.be
A perfect start!
An apposite name....
Or would 'Project Rubbish Fear' be even more so?
Forced adoption of the Euro?
Forced end of common law/jury trials?
Forced accession to Schengen?
Is this a message VoteLeave support?
We're for national parliamentary democracy . Are you?
Link?0 -
in the eu parliament.CarlottaVance said:
Where has this been proposed?shiney2 said:
As and when referendums become an eu competence, we will hold them when we are permitted to.SouthamObserver said:
I am and I see no threat to it from continued EU membership. We are sovereign, as this referendum demonstrates.shiney2 said:
It's the policy of influential REMAINERS - check out Heseltine, Mandelson etcCarlottaVance said:
Made by 'piffle'shiney2 said:Hello Britain!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0pwXLtvt2w&feature=youtu.be
A perfect start!
An apposite name....
Or would 'Project Rubbish Fear' be even more so?
Forced adoption of the Euro?
Forced end of common law/jury trials?
Forced accession to Schengen?
Is this a message VoteLeave support?
We're for national parliamentary democracy . Are you?
Link?0 -
So in Summary,
The 'piffle cartoon' says:
- end to jury trials
The Treaty of Lisbon Says:
The Union shall constitute an area of freedom, security and justice with respect for fundamental rights and the different legal systems and traditions of the Member States.
The 'piffle cartoon' says:
- forced adoption of the Euro
The Treaty of Lisbon Says:
Unless the United Kingdom notifies the Council that it intends to adopt the euro, it shall be under no obligation to do so.
The 'piffle cartoon' says:
- forced into Schengen
The Treaty of Lisbon says:
The United Kingdom may, at any time afterwards, notify the Council of its wish to participate in ......... Schengen
'Piffle' indeed!0 -
I think you have failed to understand the subordinate position of nations in the eu law making process. The eu institutions (courts, commission etc) make law, now and in the future, that we have agreed to implement.CarlottaVance said:
Where does it say 'end of jury trials'?shiney2 said:
'respect for' clearly does not prevent their supercession. eg prisoner voting 'rights'.CarlottaVance said:
He's flailing.SouthamObserver said:
I am and I see no threat to it from continued EU membership. We are sovereign, as this referendum demonstrates.shiney2 said:
It's the policy of influential REMAINERS - check out Heseltine, Mandelson etcCarlottaVance said:
Made by 'piffle'shiney2 said:Hello Britain!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0pwXLtvt2w&feature=youtu.be
A perfect start!
An apposite name....
Or would 'Project Rubbish Fear' be even more so?
Forced adoption of the Euro?
Forced end of common law/jury trials?
Forced accession to Schengen?
Is this a message VoteLeave support?
We're for national parliamentary democracy . Are you?
Chapter 1
Article 67
1. The Union shall constitute an area of freedom, security and justice with respect for fundamental rights and the different legal systems and traditions of the Member States.
It doesn't
You're embarrassing yourself.....0 -
link?shiney2 said:
in the eu parliament.CarlottaVance said:
Where has this been proposed?shiney2 said:
As and when referendums become an eu competence, we will hold them when we are permitted to.SouthamObserver said:
I am and I see no threat to it from continued EU membership. We are sovereign, as this referendum demonstrates.shiney2 said:
It's the policy of influential REMAINERS - check out Heseltine, Mandelson etcCarlottaVance said:
Made by 'piffle'shiney2 said:Hello Britain!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0pwXLtvt2w&feature=youtu.be
A perfect start!
An apposite name....
Or would 'Project Rubbish Fear' be even more so?
Forced adoption of the Euro?
Forced end of common law/jury trials?
Forced accession to Schengen?
Is this a message VoteLeave support?
We're for national parliamentary democracy . Are you?
Link?0 -
That is only the case until we decide otherwise, as this referendum shows.shiney2 said:
We are sovereign in any area until it becomes an EU Competence. Then we are not.SouthamObserver said:
I am and I see no threat to it from continued EU membership. We are sovereign, as this referendum demonstrates.shiney2 said:
It's the policy of influential REMAINERS - check out Heseltine, Mandelson etcCarlottaVance said:
Made by 'piffle'shiney2 said:Hello Britain!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0pwXLtvt2w&feature=youtu.be
A perfect start!
An apposite name....
Or would 'Project Rubbish Fear' be even more so?
Forced adoption of the Euro?
Forced end of common law/jury trials?
Forced accession to Schengen?
Is this a message VoteLeave support?
We're for national parliamentary democracy . Are you?
As and when referendums become an eu competence, we will hold them when we are permitted to.
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The key word being "agreed"shiney2 said:
I think you have failed to understand the subordinate position of nations in the eu law making process. The eu institutions (courts, commission etc) make law, now and in the future, that we have agreed to implement.CarlottaVance said:
Where does it say 'end of jury trials'?shiney2 said:
'respect for' clearly does not prevent their supercession. eg prisoner voting 'rights'.CarlottaVance said:
He's flailing.SouthamObserver said:
I am and I see no threat to it from continued EU membership. We are sovereign, as this referendum demonstrates.shiney2 said:
It's the policy of influential REMAINERS - check out Heseltine, Mandelson etcCarlottaVance said:
Made by 'piffle'shiney2 said:Hello Britain!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0pwXLtvt2w&feature=youtu.be
A perfect start!
An apposite name....
Or would 'Project Rubbish Fear' be even more so?
Forced adoption of the Euro?
Forced end of common law/jury trials?
Forced accession to Schengen?
Is this a message VoteLeave support?
We're for national parliamentary democracy . Are you?
Chapter 1
Article 67
1. The Union shall constitute an area of freedom, security and justice with respect for fundamental rights and the different legal systems and traditions of the Member States.
It doesn't
You're embarrassing yourself.....
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I think having claimed stuff is in the Lisbon Treaty when it demonstrably isn't (and indeed is flat out contradicted) you're now flailing about and saying 'bad stuff will happen'.shiney2 said:
I think you have failed to understand the subordinate position of nations in the eu law making process. The eu institutions (courts, commission etc) make law, now and in the future, that we have agreed to implement.CarlottaVance said:
Where does it say 'end of jury trials'?shiney2 said:
'respect for' clearly does not prevent their supercession. eg prisoner voting 'rights'.CarlottaVance said:
He's flailing.SouthamObserver said:
I am and I see no threat to it from continued EU membership. We are sovereign, as this referendum demonstrates.shiney2 said:
It's the policy of influential REMAINERS - check out Heseltine, Mandelson etcCarlottaVance said:
Made by 'piffle'shiney2 said:Hello Britain!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0pwXLtvt2w&feature=youtu.be
A perfect start!
An apposite name....
Or would 'Project Rubbish Fear' be even more so?
Forced adoption of the Euro?
Forced end of common law/jury trials?
Forced accession to Schengen?
Is this a message VoteLeave support?
We're for national parliamentary democracy . Are you?
Chapter 1
Article 67
1. The Union shall constitute an area of freedom, security and justice with respect for fundamental rights and the different legal systems and traditions of the Member States.
It doesn't
You're embarrassing yourself.....
As SO points out, if it does, we can have another referendum & vote to leave - who is going to stop us, and how?0 -
The EU Parliament cannot pass legislation independent of the Commission and Council of Ministers. It can only block legislation.CarlottaVance said:
link?shiney2 said:
in the eu parliament.CarlottaVance said:
Where has this been proposed?shiney2 said:
As and when referendums become an eu competence, we will hold them when we are permitted to.SouthamObserver said:
I am and I see no threat to it from continued EU membership. We are sovereign, as this referendum demonstrates.shiney2 said:
It's the policy of influential REMAINERS - check out Heseltine, Mandelson etcCarlottaVance said:
Made by 'piffle'shiney2 said:Hello Britain!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0pwXLtvt2w&feature=youtu.be
A perfect start!
An apposite name....
Or would 'Project Rubbish Fear' be even more so?
Forced adoption of the Euro?
Forced end of common law/jury trials?
Forced accession to Schengen?
Is this a message VoteLeave support?
We're for national parliamentary democracy . Are you?
Link?
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I doubt we could choose to exercise a power where they have rescinded its means. Would our civil servants allow a minister to issue an order for a referendum that the eu had declared was illegal? Probably not if one takes the current assertions of ministers as the reality.SouthamObserver said:
That is only the case until we decide otherwise, as this referendum shows.shiney2 said:
We are sovereign in any area until it becomes an EU Competence. Then we are not.SouthamObserver said:
I am and I see no threat to it from continued EU membership. We are sovereign, as this referendum demonstrates.shiney2 said:
It's the policy of influential REMAINERS - check out Heseltine, Mandelson etcCarlottaVance said:
Made by 'piffle'shiney2 said:Hello Britain!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0pwXLtvt2w&feature=youtu.be
A perfect start!
An apposite name....
Or would 'Project Rubbish Fear' be even more so?
Forced adoption of the Euro?
Forced end of common law/jury trials?
Forced accession to Schengen?
Is this a message VoteLeave support?
We're for national parliamentary democracy . Are you?
As and when referendums become an eu competence, we will hold them when we are permitted to.0 -
The EU has no power to declare a referendum illegal.shiney2 said:
I doubt we could choose to exercise a power where they have rescinded its means. Would our civil servants allow a minister to issue an order for a referendum that the eu had declared was illegal? Probably not if one takes the current assertions of ministers as the reality.SouthamObserver said:
That is only the case until we decide otherwise, as this referendum shows.shiney2 said:
We are sovereign in any area until it becomes an EU Competence. Then we are not.SouthamObserver said:
I am and I see no threat to it from continued EU membership. We are sovereign, as this referendum demonstrates.shiney2 said:
It's the policy of influential REMAINERS - check out Heseltine, Mandelson etcCarlottaVance said:
Made by 'piffle'shiney2 said:Hello Britain!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0pwXLtvt2w&feature=youtu.be
A perfect start!
An apposite name....
Or would 'Project Rubbish Fear' be even more so?
Forced adoption of the Euro?
Forced end of common law/jury trials?
Forced accession to Schengen?
Is this a message VoteLeave support?
We're for national parliamentary democracy . Are you?
As and when referendums become an eu competence, we will hold them when we are permitted to.
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'Muttering' Chris Wood is on my local council:blackburn63 said:
Calling Leavers racist eh? Good luck with making friends on 24/6TheScreamingEagles said:
Is Kippers and Leavers who are the real racists. See belowSunil_Prasannan said:
Yeah, yeah - we believe youTheScreamingEagles said:
The White Rose of Yorkshire old bean.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Racist REMAINER!TheScreamingEagles said:
I hope those 16 varieties of roses are all white?Cyclefree said:Good evening all.
I managed to go through my entire time at school studying history with barely a mention of Hitler, there being many many period of fascinating history to learn about, and now you can barely read the paper or switch on the radio without some idiot politician referring to him. Is there something in the water at Westminster?
This referendum is beginning to make me lose the will to live. Both campaigns are utter shite. If only they could both lose.
O/T HMQ's Birthday celebrations on ITV from Windsor is well worth watching. Some superb horsemanship and some bizarrely entrancing acts: Switzerland's Top Secret Drummers, for instance......
Also O/T the roses in my garden - I have 16 varieties - are full of buds and beginning to flower. It is going to be a wonderful year for them........
https://twitter.com/JamieRoss7/status/731937712152907776
http://www.portsmouth.co.uk/news/politics/ukip-councillor-in-swearing-row-1-66353750 -
They haven't issued a law to do it, yet.SouthamObserver said:
The EU has no power to declare a referendum illegal.shiney2 said:
I doubt we could choose to exercise a power where they have rescinded its means. Would our civil servants allow a minister to issue an order for a referendum that the eu had declared was illegal? Probably not if one takes the current assertions of ministers as the reality.SouthamObserver said:
That is only the case until we decide otherwise, as this referendum shows.shiney2 said:
We are sovereign in any area until it becomes an EU Competence. Then we are not.SouthamObserver said:
I am and I see no threat to it from continued EU membership. We are sovereign, as this referendum demonstrates.shiney2 said:
It's the policy of influential REMAINERS - check out Heseltine, Mandelson etcCarlottaVance said:
Made by 'piffle'shiney2 said:Hello Britain!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0pwXLtvt2w&feature=youtu.be
A perfect start!
An apposite name....
Or would 'Project Rubbish Fear' be even more so?
Forced adoption of the Euro?
Forced end of common law/jury trials?
Forced accession to Schengen?
Is this a message VoteLeave support?
We're for national parliamentary democracy . Are you?
As and when referendums become an eu competence, we will hold them when we are permitted to.
However they have certainly demonstrated a power to do so. eg when they sacked one of the recent greek governments for simply saying they would hold a ref.0 -
We are all Hungary for some Poles so we can Czech whether our prognostications about the EU are double Dutch or not.0
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You might find this interesting (if depressing):DavidL said:We are all Hungary for some Poles so we can Czech whether our prognostications about the EU are double Dutch or not.
http://www.gcph.co.uk/assets/0000/5574/History_politics_and_vulnerability.pdf
Yesterday's Sunday Herald headline was a disgrace.....0 -
Yep that's what Heath originally put into law.SouthamObserver said:
The key word being "agreed"shiney2 said:
I think you have failed to understand the subordinate position of nations in the eu law making process. The eu institutions (courts, commission etc) make law, now and in the future, that we have agreed to implement.CarlottaVance said:
Where does it say 'end of jury trials'?shiney2 said:
'respect for' clearly does not prevent their supercession. eg prisoner voting 'rights'.CarlottaVance said:
He's flailing.SouthamObserver said:
I am and I see no threat to it from continued EU membership. We are sovereign, as this referendum demonstrates.shiney2 said:
It's the policy of influential REMAINERS - check out Heseltine, Mandelson etcCarlottaVance said:
Made by 'piffle'shiney2 said:Hello Britain!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0pwXLtvt2w&feature=youtu.be
A perfect start!
An apposite name....
Or would 'Project Rubbish Fear' be even more so?
Forced adoption of the Euro?
Forced end of common law/jury trials?
Forced accession to Schengen?
Is this a message VoteLeave support?
We're for national parliamentary democracy . Are you?
Chapter 1
Article 67
1. The Union shall constitute an area of freedom, security and justice with respect for fundamental rights and the different legal systems and traditions of the Member States.
It doesn't
You're embarrassing yourself.....0 -
I think you have failed to understand the subordinate position of nations in the eu law making process. The eu institutions (courts, commission etc) make law, now and in the future, that we have agreed to implement.CarlottaVance said:So in Summary,
The 'piffle cartoon' says:
- end to jury trials
The Treaty of Lisbon Says:
The Union shall constitute an area of freedom, security and justice with respect for fundamental rights and the different legal systems and traditions of the Member States.
The 'piffle cartoon' says:
- forced adoption of the Euro
The Treaty of Lisbon Says:
Unless the United Kingdom notifies the Council that it intends to adopt the euro, it shall be under no obligation to do so.
The 'piffle cartoon' says:
- forced into Schengen
The Treaty of Lisbon says:
The United Kingdom may, at any time afterwards, notify the Council of its wish to participate in ......... Schengen
'Piffle' indeed!
(And it doesn't say 'forced' - better watch it again..)0 -
No government was sacked, a referendum was held.shiney2 said:
They haven't issued a law to do it, yet.SouthamObserver said:
The EU has no power to declare a referendum illegal.shiney2 said:
I doubt we could choose to exercise a power where they have rescinded its means. Would our civil servants allow a minister to issue an order for a referendum that the eu had declared was illegal? Probably not if one takes the current assertions of ministers as the reality.SouthamObserver said:
That is only the case until we decide otherwise, as this referendum shows.shiney2 said:
We are sovereign in any area until it becomes an EU Competence. Then we are not.SouthamObserver said:
I am and I see no threat to it from continued EU membership. We are sovereign, as this referendum demonstrates.shiney2 said:
It's the policy of influential REMAINERS - check out Heseltine, Mandelson etcCarlottaVance said:
Made by 'piffle'shiney2 said:Hello Britain!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0pwXLtvt2w&feature=youtu.be
A perfect start!
An apposite name....
Or would 'Project Rubbish Fear' be even more so?
Forced adoption of the Euro?
Forced end of common law/jury trials?
Forced accession to Schengen?
Is this a message VoteLeave support?
We're for national parliamentary democracy . Are you?
As and when referendums become an eu competence, we will hold them when we are permitted to.
However they have certainly demonstrated a power to do so. eg when they sacked one of the recent greek governments for simply saying they would hold a ref.
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I think you've been caught out making stuff up and when confronted with the evidence which refutes your claims are resorting to general 'bad stuff might happen' piffle, to borrow an apposite noun.....shiney2 said:
I think you have failed to understand the subordinate position of nations in the eu law making process. The eu institutions (courts, commission etc) make law, now and in the future, that we have agreed to implement.CarlottaVance said:So in Summary,
The 'piffle cartoon' says:
- end to jury trials
The Treaty of Lisbon Says:
The Union shall constitute an area of freedom, security and justice with respect for fundamental rights and the different legal systems and traditions of the Member States.
The 'piffle cartoon' says:
- forced adoption of the Euro
The Treaty of Lisbon Says:
Unless the United Kingdom notifies the Council that it intends to adopt the euro, it shall be under no obligation to do so.
The 'piffle cartoon' says:
- forced into Schengen
The Treaty of Lisbon says:
The United Kingdom may, at any time afterwards, notify the Council of its wish to participate in ......... Schengen
'Piffle' indeed!0 -
And since then we have elected Parliaments that have been happy to follow that. Last year we elected a Parliament that voted for legislation to enable the referendum. And lo and behold one is taking place.shiney2 said:
Yep that's what Heath originally put into law.SouthamObserver said:
The key word being "agreed"shiney2 said:
I think you have failed to understand the subordinate position of nations in the eu law making process. The eu institutions (courts, commission etc) make law, now and in the future, that we have agreed to implement.CarlottaVance said:
Where does it say 'end of jury trials'?shiney2 said:
'respect for' clearly does not prevent their supercession. eg prisoner voting 'rights'.CarlottaVance said:
He's flailing.SouthamObserver said:
I am and I see no threat to it from continued EU membership. We are sovereign, as this referendum demonstrates.shiney2 said:
It's the policy of influential REMAINERS - check out Heseltine, Mandelson etcCarlottaVance said:
Made by 'piffle'shiney2 said:Hello Britain!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0pwXLtvt2w&feature=youtu.be
A perfect start!
An apposite name....
Or would 'Project Rubbish Fear' be even more so?
Forced adoption of the Euro?
Forced end of common law/jury trials?
Forced accession to Schengen?
Is this a message VoteLeave support?
We're for national parliamentary democracy . Are you?
Chapter 1
Article 67
1. The Union shall constitute an area of freedom, security and justice with respect for fundamental rights and the different legal systems and traditions of the Member States.
It doesn't
You're embarrassing yourself.....
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Its still gloriously unclear who will physically stop us from holding a referendum in future.....SouthamObserver said:
And since then we have elected Parliaments that have been happy to follow that. Last year we elected a Parliament that voted for legislation to enable the referendum. And lo and behold one is taking place.shiney2 said:
Yep that's what Heath originally put into law.SouthamObserver said:
The key word being "agreed"shiney2 said:
I think you have failed to understand the subordinate position of nations in the eu law making process. The eu institutions (courts, commission etc) make law, now and in the future, that we have agreed to implement.CarlottaVance said:
Where does it say 'end of jury trials'?shiney2 said:
'respect for' clearly does not prevent their supercession. eg prisoner voting 'rights'.CarlottaVance said:
He's flailing.SouthamObserver said:
I am and I see no threat to it from continued EU membership. We are sovereign, as this referendum demonstrates.shiney2 said:
It's the policy of influential REMAINERS - check out Heseltine, Mandelson etcCarlottaVance said:
Made by 'piffle'shiney2 said:Hello Britain!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0pwXLtvt2w&feature=youtu.be
A perfect start!
An apposite name....
Or would 'Project Rubbish Fear' be even more so?
Forced adoption of the Euro?
Forced end of common law/jury trials?
Forced accession to Schengen?
Is this a message VoteLeave support?
We're for national parliamentary democracy . Are you?
Chapter 1
Article 67
1. The Union shall constitute an area of freedom, security and justice with respect for fundamental rights and the different legal systems and traditions of the Member States.
It doesn't
You're embarrassing yourself.....0