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Philip_Thompson said:

Purdah is perhaps more valid. Not sure if purdah should apply here though (I thought from memory the purdah period hasn't started yet and furthermore it applies to the government and civil service, not sure it extends to the independent BoE.

another_richard said:

GIN1138 said:

HurstLlama said:

AlastairMeeks said:

Evening all. I've had a busy day and missed my own thread. I also missed record-breaking quantities of fauxtrage from people who are happy to label others quislings, traitors and hating their own country. They must have wide throats not to choke on their hypocrisy.

While you are here Mr. Meeks can I ask you again to identify those posters on here that are directed and/or paid for by foreign agencies. The other evening you said that they exist but despite being asked a couple of times you have so far not named them.

People get paid to post on PB????? So that's where I've been going wrong for the past decade!

It does explain why some people of working age seem to spend most of the day on the site.

I'd like to know what the going payment rate is and whether PBers can transfer from one foreign agency to another.

AlastairMeeks said:

foxinsoxuk said:

HurstLlama said:

AlastairMeeks said:

Evening all. I've had a busy day and missed my own thread. I also missed record-breaking quantities of fauxtrage from people who are happy to label others quislings, traitors and hating their own country. They must have wide throats not to choke on their hypocrisy.

While you are here Mr. Meeks can I ask you again to identify those posters on here that are directed and/or paid for by foreign agencies. The other evening you said that they exist but despite being asked a couple of times you have so far not named them.

I think RCS1000 has confirmed that we have a number of posters from Russian IP addresses.

If you suggest that Ukraine has the right to self determination and applicatant status for EU membership and they tend to pop up.

I'm amazed this is seen as an unlikely thesis. It's not as though Russia's troll factories aren't well documented.

blackburn63 said:

Putin isn't stupid, if he spends money on trolls it won't be to waste time on pointless sites like this. Its good fun but has zero influence, nobody EVER changes their mind.

HYUFD said:

viewcode said:

FrankBooth said:

The Corbyn supporter...had a good word for Boris' intellectual credentials...

To the end of my days I will never understand this unkillable conceit that Boris is an intellectual. Going to Oxford to study Classics doesn't indicate you are intelligent, it indicates you have been well-taught and/or can work hard - which isn't the same thing. He hasn't shown any real capacity for original thought and his postgraduate publication history has been more journalism than research - synthesising and presenting existing sources instead of generating new thought. Gove is arguably his superior, and in terms of authorship Hague definitely is.

Intellectuals rarely get the top job in politics, Boris is smart which is more important

SouthamObserver said:

AlastairMeeks said:

foxinsoxuk said:

HurstLlama said:

AlastairMeeks said:

Evening all. I've had a busy day and missed my own thread. I also missed record-breaking quantities of fauxtrage from people who are happy to label others quislings, traitors and hating their own country. They must have wide throats not to choke on their hypocrisy.

While you are here Mr. Meeks can I ask you again to identify those posters on here that are directed and/or paid for by foreign agencies. The other evening you said that they exist but despite being asked a couple of times you have so far not named them.

I think RCS1000 has confirmed that we have a number of posters from Russian IP addresses.

If you suggest that Ukraine has the right to self determination and applicatant status for EU membership and they tend to pop up.

I'm amazed this is seen as an unlikely thesis. It's not as though Russia's troll factories aren't well documented.

I've been accused of being in the pay of the Labour party on here a few times in the past - probably by people ripping you to shreds over something that may actually be true! This referendum is not bringing out the best in some folk.

Fenster said:

Scott_P said:

@faisalislam: Extraordinary polling by Comres for how important Gov Carney view (60%ish) is in every age group, class, region: https://t.co/klHZ1WhHWP

Fecking hell, I follow politics and keep getting him mixed up with Martha Kearney.

viewcode said:

Fenster said:

Scott_P said:

@faisalislam: Extraordinary polling by Comres for how important Gov Carney view (60%ish) is in every age group, class, region: https://t.co/klHZ1WhHWP

Fecking hell, I follow politics and keep getting him mixed up with Martha Kearney.

I can so beat that...

viewcode said:

HYUFD said:

viewcode said:

FrankBooth said:

The Corbyn supporter...had a good word for Boris' intellectual credentials...

To the end of my days I will never understand this unkillable conceit that Boris is an intellectual. Going to Oxford to study Classics doesn't indicate you are intelligent, it indicates you have been well-taught and/or can work hard - which isn't the same thing. He hasn't shown any real capacity for original thought and his postgraduate publication history has been more journalism than research - synthesising and presenting existing sources instead of generating new thought. Gove is arguably his superior, and in terms of authorship Hague definitely is.

Intellectuals rarely get the top job in politics, Boris is smart which is more important

"Cunning" would perhaps be more apt.

blackburn63 said:

bigjohnwelshspoof was busy telling us that today was the end for Leave, it seems the papers disagree

Big_G_NorthWales said:

blackburn63 said:

bigjohnwelshspoof was busy telling us that today was the end for Leave, it seems the papers disagree

Well Faisal Islam did a big hatchet job on leave on Sky tonight saying that 61% are looking to Carney for advice, double that from Obama and even higher than the Queen and that the story was very much a positive for remain. Also the IMF report next week is expected to be very negative for leave. It doesn't help when Jacob Rees Mogg over reacts by demanding Carney's sacking. As far as the print media are concerned most are for leave and do not provide any balance and it would be astonishing if they weren't supportive of leave

SeanT said:

AlastairMeeks said:

SouthamObserver said:

AlastairMeeks said:

foxinsoxuk said:

HurstLlama said:

AlastairMeeks said:

Evening all. I've had a busy day and missed my own thread. I also missed record-breaking quantities of fauxtrage from people who are happy to label others quislings, traitors and hating their own country. They must have wide throats not to choke on their hypocrisy.

While you are here Mr. Meeks can I ask you again to identify those posters on here that are directed and/or paid for by foreign agencies. The other evening you said that they exist but despite being asked a couple of times you have so far not named them.

I think RCS1000 has confirmed that we have a number of posters from Russian IP addresses.

If you suggest that Ukraine has the right to self determination and applicatant status for EU membership and they tend to pop up.

I'm amazed this is seen as an unlikely thesis. It's not as though Russia's troll factories aren't well documented.

I've been accused of being in the pay of the Labour party on here a few times in the past - probably by people ripping you to shreds over something that may actually be true! This referendum is not bringing out the best in some folk.

I was accused of writing to curry favour with David Cameron. What was most amusing was that the article in question predicted the decline into irrelevance of the current government.

You're a fucking idiot, is what you are.

another_richard said:

GIN1138 said:

another_richard said:

Now that its been revealed that there's been over a million extra immigrants to the UK I wonder what effect that has had on the economic stats.

More people means that GDP per capita has been even lower and depending on how many have been already included in the workforce would have a negative effect on productivity.

Maybe we did have a "double dip" all the way along?

Isn't it odd that we're told open door immigration of low skilled economic migrants is so beneficial for Britain yet the last decade has been the worst on record for economic growth and has required a trillion pounds of government borrowing.

Plato_Says said:

https://twitter.com/PlatoSays/status/730865230612336640

Big_G_NorthWales said:

blackburn63 said:

bigjohnwelshspoof was busy telling us that today was the end for Leave, it seems the papers disagree

Well Faisal Islam did a big hatchet job on leave on Sky tonight saying that 61% are looking to Carney for advice, double that from Obama and even higher than the Queen and that the story was very much a positive for remain. Also the IMF report next week is expected to be very negative for leave. It doesn't help when Jacob Rees Mogg over reacts by demanding Carney's sacking. As far as the print media are concerned most are for leave and do not provide any balance and it would be astonishing if they weren't supportive of leave

Plato_Says said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

blackburn63 said:

bigjohnwelshspoof was busy telling us that today was the end for Leave, it seems the papers disagree

Well Faisal Islam did a big hatchet job on leave on Sky tonight saying that 61% are looking to Carney for advice, double that from Obama and even higher than the Queen and that the story was very much a positive for remain. Also the IMF report next week is expected to be very negative for leave. It doesn't help when Jacob Rees Mogg over reacts by demanding Carney's sacking. As far as the print media are concerned most are for leave and do not provide any balance and it would be astonishing if they weren't supportive of leave

Faisal is so obviously for Remain, it's painful

SouthamObserver said:

AlastairMeeks said:

foxinsoxuk said:

HurstLlama said:

AlastairMeeks said:

Evening all. I've had a busy day and missed my own thread. I also missed record-breaking quantities of fauxtrage from people who are happy to label others quislings, traitors and hating their own country. They must have wide throats not to choke on their hypocrisy.

While you are here Mr. Meeks can I ask you again to identify those posters on here that are directed and/or paid for by foreign agencies. The other evening you said that they exist but despite being asked a couple of times you have so far not named them.

I think RCS1000 has confirmed that we have a number of posters from Russian IP addresses.

If you suggest that Ukraine has the right to self determination and applicatant status for EU membership and they tend to pop up.

I'm amazed this is seen as an unlikely thesis. It's not as though Russia's troll factories aren't well documented.

This referendum is not bringing out the best in some folk.

blackburn63 said:

The latest from bigjohnspooftroll is 61% of us are looking to Mark Carney for advice, I doubt 6% have ever even heard of him.

Who's feeding him this bollox, surely he's not on Putin's payroll too.

HYUFD said:

viewcode said:

HYUFD said:

viewcode said:

FrankBooth said:

The Corbyn supporter...had a good word for Boris' intellectual credentials...

To the end of my days I will never understand this unkillable conceit that Boris is an intellectual. Going to Oxford to study Classics doesn't indicate you are intelligent, it indicates you have been well-taught and/or can work hard - which isn't the same thing. He hasn't shown any real capacity for original thought and his postgraduate publication history has been more journalism than research - synthesising and presenting existing sources instead of generating new thought. Gove is arguably his superior, and in terms of authorship Hague definitely is.

Intellectuals rarely get the top job in politics, Boris is smart which is more important

"Cunning" would perhaps be more apt.

Nothing wrong with that in politics

AlastairMeeks said:

foxinsoxuk said:

HurstLlama said:

AlastairMeeks said:

Evening all. I've had a busy day and missed my own thread. I also missed record-breaking quantities of fauxtrage from people who are happy to label others quislings, traitors and hating their own country. They must have wide throats not to choke on their hypocrisy.

While you are here Mr. Meeks can I ask you again to identify those posters on here that are directed and/or paid for by foreign agencies. The other evening you said that they exist but despite being asked a couple of times you have so far not named them.

I think RCS1000 has confirmed that we have a number of posters from Russian IP addresses.

If you suggest that Ukraine has the right to self determination and applicatant status for EU membership and they tend to pop up.

I'm amazed this is seen as an unlikely thesis. It's not as though Russia's troll factories aren't well documented.

foxinsoxuk said:

HYUFD said:

foxinsoxuk said:

viewcode said:

HYUFD said:

Bill Clinton is the most popular ex president alive, he is Hillary's best asset

He is now old and frail: his physical appearance is shocking. He would work well in print or possibly as a voiceover, but in person? Not really.

Being old and a little dogeared does not seem to count against a candidate for POTUS. Indeed it is the youngsters who have fallen by the wayside. The contrast with our own cult of youth is quite noticeable.

The last 3 presidents were 47, 54 and 46 when elected. The age of the last 3 PMs when they entered No 10 was 43, 56 and 43. Not so different. Corbyn is 66 so would be pushing 70 if he became PM

This years POTUS will be decades past their forties.

SeanT said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

blackburn63 said:

bigjohnwelshspoof was busy telling us that today was the end for Leave, it seems the papers disagree

Well Faisal Islam did a big hatchet job on leave on Sky tonight saying that 61% are looking to Carney for advice, double that from Obama and even higher than the Queen and that the story was very much a positive for remain. Also the IMF report next week is expected to be very negative for leave. It doesn't help when Jacob Rees Mogg over reacts by demanding Carney's sacking. As far as the print media are concerned most are for leave and do not provide any balance and it would be astonishing if they weren't supportive of leave

As for today, I'd say it's a score draw.

REMAIN's Carney probably cancels out LEAVE's migration scare. Both potentially big, but similar in effect.

On a lower level, Brussels Hates Kettles and Toasters probably equals LEAVE campaign infighting.

So it's as you were.

But the status quo ante, I submit, is better news for LEAVE than REMAIN. It is REMAIN who hoped to be 20 points ahead by now, not LEAVE. And if we enter the final fortnight with the teams level-pegging then there might be a patriotic and emotional rush to LEAVE, as we saw in Scotland, except this time there is no silent Unionist hardcore ready to save the day.

Either way, I stand by my prediction that REMAIN will quite narrowly win and then we will see a huge emotional, eurosceptic backlash, as guilty voters make Cameron pay the price for their own unpatriotic selfishness. Ergo, Cameron is finished whatever happens. The Tory party might split in the hideous aftermath. And it will be bloody.

Sceptics will take over.</blockquote

I think you under estimate David Cameron. If he is challenged it would be interesting if he decided that he was going to stand for re-election and lead the party into 2020 election. Unlikely but in this atmosphere anything could happen though I believe Gove and Boris will be key to post 23rd June unity. I would be surprised if Remain don't achieve 55-58%. It's the economy stupid (for the avoidance of doubt not you Sean T)

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Plato_Says said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

blackburn63 said:

bigjohnwelshspoof was busy telling us that today was the end for Leave, it seems the papers disagree

Well Faisal Islam did a big hatchet job on leave on Sky tonight saying that 61% are looking to Carney for advice, double that from Obama and even higher than the Queen and that the story was very much a positive for remain. Also the IMF report next week is expected to be very negative for leave. It doesn't help when Jacob Rees Mogg over reacts by demanding Carney's sacking. As far as the print media are concerned most are for leave and do not provide any balance and it would be astonishing if they weren't supportive of leave

Faisal is so obviously for Remain, it's painful

Or maybe he is just saying it as it is

VapidBilge said:

foxinsoxuk said:

Luckyguy1983 said:

foxinsoxuk said:

Luckyguy1983 said:

AlastairMeeks said:

foxinsoxuk said:

HurstLlama said:

AlastairMeeks said:

Evening all. I've had a busy day and missed my own thread. I also missed record-breaking quantities of fauxtrage from people who are happy to label others quislings, traitors and hating their own country. They must have wide throats not to choke on their hypocrisy.

While you are here Mr. Meeks can I ask you again to identify those posters on here that are directed and/or paid for by foreign agencies. The other evening you said that they exist but despite being asked a couple of times you have so far not named them.

I think RCS1000 has confirmed that we have a number of posters from Russian IP addresses.

If you suggest that Ukraine has the right to self determination and applicatant status for EU membership and they tend to pop up.

I'm amazed this is seen as an unlikely thesis. It's not as though Russia's troll factories aren't well documented.

It's quite possible we have bag snatchers and child molesters amongst our number too, but that would be a rather flimsy basis upon which to chuck around the accusation.

Your pitiable attempt to smear me revealed all your condemnation about tinfoil conspiracies to be farcical - you're more than happy to indulge in flights of fancy that would make David Icke blush as long as they're *your* conspiracy theories.

Does Ukraine have the right to sovereign control of its own territory?

Yes.

Are you putting forward the view that I am posting on behalf of Mother Russia?

Including the Crimea peninsula and Donbass region?

I am glad that you agree.

I am one of the more Russophile posters on here, but Putin's actions and crimes against Ukraine are beyond defending. Do you agree?

What crimes are these?

VapidBilge said:

foxinsoxuk said:

Luckyguy1983 said:

foxinsoxuk said:

Luckyguy1983 said:

AlastairMeeks said:

foxinsoxuk said:

HurstLlama said:

AlastairMeeks said:

Evening all. I've had a busy day and missed my own thread. I also missed record-breaking quantities of fauxtrage from people who are happy to label others quislings, traitors and hating their own country. They must have wide throats not to choke on their hypocrisy.

While you are here Mr. Meeks can I ask you again to identify those posters on here that are directed and/or paid for by foreign agencies. The other evening you said that they exist but despite being asked a couple of times you have so far not named them.

I think RCS1000 has confirmed that we have a number of posters from Russian IP addresses.

If you suggest that Ukraine has the right to self determination and applicatant status for EU membership and they tend to pop up.

I'm amazed this is seen as an unlikely thesis. It's not as though Russia's troll factories aren't well documented.

It's quite possible we have bag snatchers and child molesters amongst our number too, but that would be a rather flimsy basis upon which to chuck around the accusation.

Your pitiable attempt to smear me revealed all your condemnation about tinfoil conspiracies to be farcical - you're more than happy to indulge in flights of fancy that would make David Icke blush as long as they're *your* conspiracy theories.

Does Ukraine have the right to sovereign control of its own territory?

Yes.

Are you putting forward the view that I am posting on behalf of Mother Russia?

Including the Crimea peninsula and Donbass region?

I am glad that you agree.

I am one of the more Russophile posters on here, but Putin's actions and crimes against Ukraine are beyond defending. Do you agree?

What crimes are these?

kle4 said:

SouthamObserver said:

AlastairMeeks said:

foxinsoxuk said:

HurstLlama said:

AlastairMeeks said:

Evening all. I've had a busy day and missed my own thread. I also missed record-breaking quantities of fauxtrage from people who are happy to label others quislings, traitors and hating their own country. They must have wide throats not to choke on their hypocrisy.

While you are here Mr. Meeks can I ask you again to identify those posters on here that are directed and/or paid for by foreign agencies. The other evening you said that they exist but despite being asked a couple of times you have so far not named them.

I think RCS1000 has confirmed that we have a number of posters from Russian IP addresses.

If you suggest that Ukraine has the right to self determination and applicatant status for EU membership and they tend to pop up.

I'm amazed this is seen as an unlikely thesis. It's not as though Russia's troll factories aren't well documented.

This referendum is not bringing out the best in some folk.

It's not bringing out the best in anyone online or elsewhere, except possibly Michael Gove, who I think it's correct has not acted like a child yet, unlike most of his colleagues in Leave or Remain.

SeanT said:

viewcode said:

SeanT said:

...with the advantage of some personal experience I can vouch for the fact he is extremely clever. Multi-lingual, mentally adroit, super well educated. You might not like him, but he is SMART.

Multi-lingual doesn't make you smart. Sara Chalke from Scrubs (or, if you're old enough, The Wrong Becky) is famously fluent in German. Mila Kunis is fluent in Russian. Viggo Mortensen
can speak English, Danish, Spanish, French, Italian, Norwegian, Swedish and Catalan, and unbelievably Tom Hiddleston can do French, Italian, Spanish, Russia, Greek, Latin, German, Korean and Mandarin with various fluency, as well as having a nice bum and the capacity to use the word "qwim" without giggling. However we are not proposing to make Loki the postBrexit PM or make Aragorn Chancellor

Super well-educated doesn't mean you are smart. Receiving education is not as important as what you do with it afterwards.

I can't speak for his adroitness, although it isn't obvious in his television appearances.

Yeah, but... being multilingual, getting a scholarship to Eton, getting a First at Oxford, being a very impressive Classics Scholar, being arguably the most successful editor ever of the Spectator Magazine, being a highly esteemed Telegraph columnist (and earning £0.3m a year for the job), being a Cabinet Minister, being a twice elected Tory mayor in the greatest city in the world (known for its Labour leaning tendencies) and also bedding 300 women, at the same time, speaks to me of someone of, you know, mmm, above average intelligence?

I'll stop arse licking Boris now, because he is also a bit of a twerp and a narcissist and not as good a politician as he thinks, and also I dated his sister, so its weird, but he is undeniably very smart. He just is.

Luckyguy1983 said:

kle4 said:

SouthamObserver said:

AlastairMeeks said:

foxinsoxuk said:

HurstLlama said:

AlastairMeeks said:

Evening all. I've had a busy day and missed my own thread. I also missed record-breaking quantities of fauxtrage from people who are happy to label others quislings, traitors and hating their own country. They must have wide throats not to choke on their hypocrisy.

While you are here Mr. Meeks can I ask you again to identify those posters on here that are directed and/or paid for by foreign agencies. The other evening you said that they exist but despite being asked a couple of times you have so far not named them.

I think RCS1000 has confirmed that we have a number of posters from Russian IP addresses.

If you suggest that Ukraine has the right to self determination and applicatant status for EU membership and they tend to pop up.

I'm amazed this is seen as an unlikely thesis. It's not as though Russia's troll factories aren't well documented.

This referendum is not bringing out the best in some folk.

It's not bringing out the best in anyone online or elsewhere, except possibly Michael Gove, who I think it's correct has not acted like a child yet, unlike most of his colleagues in Leave or Remain.

I think it's brought out the best in IDS. I've been impressed no end.

SeanT said:

Luckyguy1983 said:

kle4 said:

SouthamObserver said:

AlastairMeeks said:

foxinsoxuk said:

HurstLlama said:

AlastairMeeks said:

Evening all. I've had a busy day and missed my own thread. I also missed record-breaking quantities of fauxtrage from people who are happy to label others quislings, traitors and hating their own country. They must have wide throats not to choke on their hypocrisy.

While you are here Mr. Meeks can I ask you again to identify those posters on here that are directed and/or paid for by foreign agencies. The other evening you said that they exist but despite being asked a couple of times you have so far not named them.

I think RCS1000 has confirmed that we have a number of posters from Russian IP addresses.

If you suggest that Ukraine has the right to self determination and applicatant status for EU membership and they tend to pop up.

I'm amazed this is seen as an unlikely thesis. It's not as though Russia's troll factories aren't well documented.

This referendum is not bringing out the best in some folk.

It's not bringing out the best in anyone online or elsewhere, except possibly Michael Gove, who I think it's correct has not acted like a child yet, unlike most of his colleagues in Leave or Remain.

I think it's brought out the best in IDS. I've been impressed no end. Wish he'd had some of that spunk and instinct for publicity when he lead the party, but I feel he's maybe a serial rebel who is better when fighting against authority rather than trying to engender a sense of it.

Apart from Boris recently waking up, no other Leavers have really made been noticeable to me except via gaffe imho. It really has been a useless campaign - thankfully Leave seems to have its own audience anyway.

I have a theory that the campaigns don't really matter, either way. What we're witnessing is the British public waking up to the reality of the EU, just as we saw the Scots waking up the to possibility of independence.

Hence the counter-intuitive reactions from the public - moving to LEAVE after Obama, for instance. Just as the Scots moved to YES after the warning on the pound.

I stand by my prediction that we will also see a Scots-style result - 56-44 REMAIN - and a Scots-style aftermath, with sceptics rampant and europhiles in bewildered retreat, despite their victory.

Luckyguy1983 said:

foxinsoxuk said:

Luckyguy1983 said:

foxinsoxuk said:

Luckyguy1983 said:

AlastairMeeks said:

foxinsoxuk said:

HurstLlama said:

AlastairMeeks said:

Evening all. I've had a busy day and missed my own thread. I also missed record-breaking quantities of fauxtrage from people who are happy to label others quislings, traitors and hating their own country. They must have wide throats not to choke on their hypocrisy.

While you are here Mr. Meeks can I ask you again to identify those posters on here that are directed and/or paid for by foreign agencies. The other evening you said that they exist but despite being asked a couple of times you have so far not named them.

I think RCS1000 has confirmed that we have a number of posters from Russian IP addresses.

If you suggest that Ukraine has the right to self determination and applicatant status for EU membership and they tend to pop up.

I'm amazed this is seen as an unlikely thesis. It's not as though Russia's troll factories aren't well documented.

It's quite possible we have bag snatchers and child molesters amongst our number too, but that would be a rather flimsy basis upon which to chuck around the accusation.

Your pitiable attempt to smear me revealed all your condemnation about tinfoil conspiracies to be farcical - you're more than happy to indulge in flights of fancy that would make David Icke blush as long as they're *your* conspiracy theories.

Does Ukraine have the right to sovereign control of its own territory?

Yes.

Are you putting forward the view that I am posting on behalf of Mother Russia?

Including the Crimea peninsula and Donbass region?

I am glad that you agree.

I am one of the more Russophile posters on here, but Putin's actions and crimes against Ukraine are beyond defending. Do you agree?

Jolly good, and no, let's have you answer my question - I think a question for a question is fair.

My views on world events, provided they do not constitute hate speech, can be about aliens, lizards, and everything in between, and you're entitled to disagree. The point here is about the accusation of being a paid or otherwise persuaded troll.

This seems to be what you're implying. Could you move on from it being a throwaway smear -and just clarify what it is you're accusing me of? Ta.

another_richard said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Plato_Says said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

blackburn63 said:

bigjohnwelshspoof was busy telling us that today was the end for Leave, it seems the papers disagree

Well Faisal Islam did a big hatchet job on leave on Sky tonight saying that 61% are looking to Carney for advice, double that from Obama and even higher than the Queen and that the story was very much a positive for remain. Also the IMF report next week is expected to be very negative for leave. It doesn't help when Jacob Rees Mogg over reacts by demanding Carney's sacking. As far as the print media are concerned most are for leave and do not provide any balance and it would be astonishing if they weren't supportive of leave

Faisal is so obviously for Remain, it's painful

Or maybe he is just saying it as it is

So the Bank of England is making predictions about future recessions.

The same Bank of England which in August 2008 was predicting no recession even though a recession had already started four months earlier:

http://www.bankofengland.co.uk/publications/Pages/inflationreport/irprobab.aspx

Sunil_Prasannan said:

AlastairMeeks said:

foxinsoxuk said:

HurstLlama said:

AlastairMeeks said:

Evening all. I've had a busy day and missed my own thread. I also missed record-breaking quantities of fauxtrage from people who are happy to label others quislings, traitors and hating their own country. They must have wide throats not to choke on their hypocrisy.

While you are here Mr. Meeks can I ask you again to identify those posters on here that are directed and/or paid for by foreign agencies. The other evening you said that they exist but despite being asked a couple of times you have so far not named them.

I think RCS1000 has confirmed that we have a number of posters from Russian IP addresses.

If you suggest that Ukraine has the right to self determination and applicatant status for EU membership and they tend to pop up.

I'm amazed this is seen as an unlikely thesis. It's not as though Russia's troll factories aren't well documented.

As opposed to Hungarian troll factories?

HurstLlama said:

another_richard said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Plato_Says said:

Faisal is so obviously for Remain, it's painful

Or maybe he is just saying it as it is

So the Bank of England is making predictions about future recessions.

The same Bank of England which in August 2008 was predicting no recession even though a recession had already started four months earlier:

http://www.bankofengland.co.uk/publications/Pages/inflationreport/irprobab.aspx

Technically speaking, Mr Richard, a recession exists after two quarters of negative contraction. So in August 2008 the BofE may well have been correct at least in as much that there was, at that point, no recession and whether there actually would be was a matter of judgement.

That the Bank's judgment was horribly wrong cannot be denied; though they were not alone in that - months after it was obvious that we were into the deepest recession in living memory members of HMG (and the BBC) still referred to the "downturn" and not that there was a recession.

Let us see how well the Bank, and HMG do with forecasting the next recession. Should not have to wait too long.

SouthamObserver said:

I've been accused of being in the pay of the Labour party on here a few times in the past - probably by people ripping you to shreds over something that may actually be true! This referendum is not bringing out the best in some folk.

foxinsoxuk said:

I do not have access to PB IP addresses or to your bank account, so am not in a position to prove anything.

But I see what I see.

Mind you, I have been accused of being a paid stooge of Tory central office on here!

HurstLlama said:

another_richard said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Plato_Says said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

blackburn63 said:

bigjohnwelshspoof was busy telling us that today was the end for Leave, it seems the papers disagree

Well Faisal Islam did a big hatchet job on leave on Sky tonight saying that 61% are looking to Carney for advice, double that from Obama and even higher than the Queen and that the story was very much a positive for remain. Also the IMF report next week is expected to be very negative for leave. It doesn't help when Jacob Rees Mogg over reacts by demanding Carney's sacking. As far as the print media are concerned most are for leave and do not provide any balance and it would be astonishing if they weren't supportive of leave

Faisal is so obviously for Remain, it's painful

Or maybe he is just saying it as it is

So the Bank of England is making predictions about future recessions.

The same Bank of England which in August 2008 was predicting no recession even though a recession had already started four months earlier:

http://www.bankofengland.co.uk/publications/Pages/inflationreport/irprobab.aspx

That the Bank's judgment was horribly wrong cannot be denied; though they were not alone in that - months after it was obvious that we were into the deepest recession in living memory members of HMG (and the BBC) still referred to the "downturn" and not that there was a recession.

another_richard said:

HurstLlama said:

another_richard said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Plato_Says said:

Faisal is so obviously for Remain, it's painful

Or maybe he is just saying it as it is

So the Bank of England is making predictions about future recessions.

The same Bank of England which in August 2008 was predicting no recession even though a recession had already started four months earlier:

http://www.bankofengland.co.uk/publications/Pages/inflationreport/irprobab.aspx

Technically speaking, Mr Richard, a recession exists after two quarters of negative contraction. So in August 2008 the BofE may well have been correct at least in as much that there was, at that point, no recession and whether there actually would be was a matter of judgement.

That the Bank's judgment was horribly wrong cannot be denied; though they were not alone in that - months after it was obvious that we were into the deepest recession in living memory members of HMG (and the BBC) still referred to the "downturn" and not that there was a recession.

Let us see how well the Bank, and HMG do with forecasting the next recession. Should not have to wait too long.

Some of us were able to forecast a recession in May 2008:

' Richard, do you think we’re going into recession?

May 3rd, 2008 at 6:54 pm

Richard

Yes – the economic fundamentals of this country are very weak. We have an ‘Emperor’s New Clothes’ economy based on too much debt fuelled wealth consumption (both private and public sector) but with too little wealth creation.

The sense of affluence caused by the house price pyramid scheme is going into reverse and this will lead to job losses in construction, financial services and retail.

Manufacturing employment is already at its lowest level on record and is being very hard hit by rising commodity prices not to mention extra taxes, insurance costs and red tape.

Issues like national energy security and savings/pensions are also very worrying. Expect the next few years to see rising prices, job losses, public sector strikes and repeated crises. Very 1970s!

May 3rd, 2008 at 11:45 pm '

HurstLlama said:

another_richard said:

HurstLlama said:

Technically speaking, Mr Richard, a recession exists after two quarters of negative contraction. So in August 2008 the BofE may well have been correct at least in as much that there was, at that point, no recession and whether there actually would be was a matter of judgement.

That the Bank's judgment was horribly wrong cannot be denied; though they were not alone in that - months after it was obvious that we were into the deepest recession in living memory members of HMG (and the BBC) still referred to the "downturn" and not that there was a recession.

Let us see how well the Bank, and HMG do with forecasting the next recession. Should not have to wait too long.

Some of us were able to forecast a recession in May 2008:

' Richard, do you think we’re going into recession?

May 3rd, 2008 at 6:54 pm

Richard

Yes – the economic fundamentals of this country are very weak. We have an ‘Emperor’s New Clothes’ economy based on too much debt fuelled wealth consumption (both private and public sector) but with too little wealth creation.

The sense of affluence caused by the house price pyramid scheme is going into reverse and this will lead to job losses in construction, financial services and retail.

Manufacturing employment is already at its lowest level on record and is being very hard hit by rising commodity prices not to mention extra taxes, insurance costs and red tape.

Issues like national energy security and savings/pensions are also very worrying. Expect the next few years to see rising prices, job losses, public sector strikes and repeated crises. Very 1970s!

May 3rd, 2008 at 11:45 pm '

Yes some of us were able to forecast it. In fact for some of us it seemed bleedin' obvious. Not the Bank, apparently, and not the Treasury. Why we should be expected to pay the slightest attention to Treasury forecasts of the economy 14 years down the road when they are proven incapable of working out what is going to happen over the next few weeks is beyond me.

Anyway, Mr. Richard, thanks for reposting your missive from 2008. What I find scary if that you could have written much of that last week and it would be as true today as it was nearly eight years ago.

williamglenn said:

Portillo is making the argument very well that the BBC needs to be set free from the constraints of the licence model and compete with the likes of Netflix on a global level.

Sunil_Prasannan said:

twitter.com/Sunil_P2/status/596862677290459136
twitter.com/Sunil_P2/status/596864382434418689

FrancisUrquhart said:

williamglenn said:

Portillo is making the argument very well that the BBC needs to be set free from the constraints of the licence model and compete with the likes of Netflix on a global level.

It does, but today's news is more of the same for another 11 years. Wittingdale bottled any proper reform, while the world moves to Spotify, Netflix, Amazon prime anytime anywhere model.