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David Ca-moron!runnymede said:
The PM continues to treat the voters as morons..Casino_Royale said:0 -
Remain needs to have a voter registration programme across the political spectrum but specifically to students and young workers.Automatic registration and digital voting would help too.It needs to use assertive outreach to get to the hard-to-get voters eg in flats above shops and in the tower blocks.The referendum will depend on voter registration and engagement with those for whom voting is not normally parts of their civic duty.
You will be £480 worse off unless you are registered to vote for Remain.That might work.0 -
Plato_Says said:
no://twitter.com/suttonnick/status/729413316515381252
Cameron: leaving EU could bring war
Remaining is more likely too.
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Yes, assuming that the Telegraph are accurately reporting Cameron. Dave must be bricking it if that's the sort of nonsense he's now going to spout. Obviously things are not going to plan for Dave, it looks like a way closer fight than Remain expected it to be.MP_SE said:Have we reached peak ridiculous?
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Is this from the Daily Mash again or are BSE trying to put the Daily Mash out of business?Casino_Royale said:0 -
News to me - I've been a full British Citizen since I was 12 (1988).MarkHopkins said:chestnut said:The Parliamentary Briefing on migration claims that 37% of the people living in London were not born in the UK, with over 25% born outside the EU.
That's roughly five times as many as most UK regions.
London is an outlier. An abnormality.
And they don't get to vote in the referendum anyway.0 -
When Cameron starts speaking just like Julian effing Lewis then I know that Cameron has lost it.TheScreamingEagles said:
Perhaps you're similarly aghast to what Leaver Tory MP Julian Lewis has also said on that same front page?Casino_Royale said:
I honestly can't believe I just read that.runnymede said:
The PM continues to treat the voters as morons..Casino_Royale said:
I am sitting here with my mouth aghast.
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More interesting than Cameron's silly war claim is Gove's admission that we'll lose access to the single market post-Brexit. That is not good news.0
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"Britain is stronger, faster, better, stronger and thinner in a strong high tax undemocratic EU. Parody: Politicians Always Rely On Dividing You."TCPoliticalBetting said:
Is this from the Daily Mash again or are BSE trying to put the Daily Mash out of business?Casino_Royale said:0 -
Yes it does look like he has running out of threats as all the previous ones had failed. 17 more days of this cr*p from Cameron.glw said:
Yes, assuming that the Telegraph are accurately reporting Cameron. Dave must be bricking it if that's the sort of nonsense he's now going to spout. Obviously things are not going to plan for Dave, it looks like a way closer fight than Remain expected it to be.MP_SE said:Have we reached peak ridiculous?
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British / Commonwealth citizens can vote.Sunil_Prasannan said:
News to me - I've been a full British Citizen since I was 12 (1988).MarkHopkins said:chestnut said:The Parliamentary Briefing on migration claims that 37% of the people living in London were not born in the UK, with over 25% born outside the EU.
That's roughly five times as many as most UK regions.
London is an outlier. An abnormality.
And they don't get to vote in the referendum anyway.
EU nationals cannot.
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Yeah but that doesn't matter as we will be too busy fighting WORLD WAR III.SouthamObserver said:More interesting than Cameron's silly war claim is Gove's admission that we'll lose access to the single market post-Brexit. That is not good news.
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David Cameron is our Prime Minister.TheScreamingEagles said:
Perhaps you're similarly aghast to what Leaver Tory MP Julian Lewis has also said on that same front page?Casino_Royale said:
I honestly can't believe I just read that.runnymede said:
The PM continues to treat the voters as morons..Casino_Royale said:
I am sitting here with my mouth aghast.
Seriously, TSE, you need to get in touch with your friends at Remain and tell them to get a grip.
They're in danger of making themselves a laughing stock.0 -
Knock Knock, hello, anybody there ?AlastairMeeks said:David Cameron's warning seems fair enough. There's at least one aggressive militaristic leader who would be delighted to be able to foment disunity and take further military action if the opportunity presents itself.
Of course, if it happened, Leavers would deny any connection with their referendum-inspired isolationism.
We are not leaving NATO you know.
Cameron's opinion on this is ludicrous and it's already being ridiculed as ludicrous.0 -
How about Penny Mordaunt?TCPoliticalBetting said:
When Cameron starts speaking just like Julian effing Lewis then I know that Cameron has lost it.TheScreamingEagles said:
Perhaps you're similarly aghast to what Leaver Tory MP Julian Lewis has also said on that same front page?Casino_Royale said:
I honestly can't believe I just read that.runnymede said:
The PM continues to treat the voters as morons..Casino_Royale said:
I am sitting here with my mouth aghast.
Europe will only avoid ‘sleepwalking’ into a conflict between members states if Britain votes to leave, warns Armed Forces Minister
The EU can only be saved from sleepwalking into the ‘disaster’ of conflict between its member states by Britain voting to leave, the Armed Forces Minister warned last night.
In a dramatic intervention, Penny Mordaunt said the austerity programme required to keep the euro alive had created ‘tremendous potential for civil unrest’ across the continent.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3564466/Europe-avoid-sleepwalking-conflict-members-states-Britain-votes-leave-warns-Armed-Forces-Minister.html0 -
Well I'm sure that were the EU Referendum to be decided by London alone this would be a "pointer" but sadly for REMAIN the rest of the country has to be consulted as well...0
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Is that with the Germans again because we will not buy their cars?glw said:
Yeah but that doesn't matter as we will be too busy fighting WORLD WAR III.SouthamObserver said:More interesting than Cameron's silly war claim is Gove's admission that we'll lose access to the single market post-Brexit. That is not good news.
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It seems to have angered the City and CBI according to the FT. I simply was taken aback when he announced it on Marr. He cannot be serious - biggest own goal to leave so farSouthamObserver said:More interesting than Cameron's silly war claim is Gove's admission that we'll lose access to the single market post-Brexit. That is not good news.
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Don't worry, he'll have a different policy position on this in a couple of days' time. After Norway, Switzerland, Canada and Albania, we were due a new one from Leave. I look forward to the next mutation.SouthamObserver said:More interesting than Cameron's silly war claim is Gove's admission that we'll lose access to the single market post-Brexit. That is not good news.
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The Armed Forces Minister (and Leaver) a few weeks ago made the opposite argument, that Remaining would lead to conflict/war.Casino_Royale said:
David Cameron is our Prime Minister.TheScreamingEagles said:
Perhaps you're similarly aghast to what Leaver Tory MP Julian Lewis has also said on that same front page?Casino_Royale said:
I honestly can't believe I just read that.runnymede said:
The PM continues to treat the voters as morons..Casino_Royale said:
I am sitting here with my mouth aghast.
Seriously, TSE, you need to get in touch with your friends at Remain and tell them to get a grip.
They're in danger of making themselves a laughing stock.
I'm assuming Leave made themselves a laughing stock then?0 -
David Cameron - From Mad To Worse!Plato_Says said:0 -
James Forsyth
@JGForsyth
How little do we think of the rest of the EU, if we think that Brexit would lead to war on the continent?0 -
So you don't think that disunity among European nations would embolden aggressive militarists?Speedy said:
Knock Knock, hello, anybody there ?AlastairMeeks said:David Cameron's warning seems fair enough. There's at least one aggressive militaristic leader who would be delighted to be able to foment disunity and take further military action if the opportunity presents itself.
Of course, if it happened, Leavers would deny any connection with their referendum-inspired isolationism.
We are not leaving NATO you know.
Cameron's opinion on this is ludicrous and it's already being ridiculed as ludicrous.
Well, it's a view I suppose.0 -
TheScreamingEagles said:
How about Penny Mordaunt?TCPoliticalBetting said:
When Cameron starts speaking just like Julian effing Lewis then I know that Cameron has lost it.TheScreamingEagles said:
Perhaps you're similarly aghast to what Leaver Tory MP Julian Lewis has also said on that same front page?Casino_Royale said:
I honestly can't believe I just read that.runnymede said:
The PM continues to treat the voters as morons..Casino_Royale said:
I am sitting here with my mouth aghast.
Europe will only avoid ‘sleepwalking’ into a conflict between members states if Britain votes to leave, warns Armed Forces Minister
The EU can only be saved from sleepwalking into the ‘disaster’ of conflict between its member states by Britain voting to leave, the Armed Forces Minister warned last night.
In a dramatic intervention, Penny Mordaunt said the austerity programme required to keep the euro alive had created ‘tremendous potential for civil unrest’ across the continent.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3564466/Europe-avoid-sleepwalking-conflict-members-states-Britain-votes-leave-warns-Armed-Forces-Minister.html
In a dramatic intervention, Penny Mordaunt said the austerity programme required to keep the euro alive had created ‘tremendous potential for civil unrest’ across the continent.
So the Euro. Invention of the EU. Is the problem.
Got it.
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Clearly if we leave the EU and don't take the EEA/EFTA option we will no longer be part of the single market. That is just a statement of the obvious.SouthamObserver said:More interesting than Cameron's silly war claim is Gove's admission that we'll lose access to the single market post-Brexit. That is not good news.
It doesn't mean you can't sell into those countries remaining in it, though. This phrase you use, 'lose access' is devoid of meaning.0 -
Curiously enough, we managed to avoid WWIII as a member of NATO for almost 25 years prior to our membership of the EEC, and that was during the greatest flashpoint of the Cuban Missile Crisis where there over a million Soviet troops facing off against us in Eastern Europe.AlastairMeeks said:David Cameron's warning seems fair enough. There's at least one aggressive militaristic leader who would be delighted to be able to foment disunity and take further military action if the opportunity presents itself.
Of course, if it happened, Leavers would deny any connection with their referendum-inspired isolationism.
I think we (and Europe) will be ok.0 -
Do you not remember how the greeks reacted to German pressure?TheScreamingEagles said:
How about Penny Mordaunt?TCPoliticalBetting said:
When Cameron starts speaking just like Julian effing Lewis then I know that Cameron has lost it.TheScreamingEagles said:
Perhaps you're similarly aghast to what Leaver Tory MP Julian Lewis has also said on that same front page?Casino_Royale said:
I honestly can't believe I just read that.runnymede said:
The PM continues to treat the voters as morons..Casino_Royale said:
I am sitting here with my mouth aghast.
Europe will only avoid ‘sleepwalking’ into a conflict between members states if Britain votes to leave, warns Armed Forces Minister .....
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Well quite!TCPoliticalBetting said:
When Cameron starts speaking just like Julian effing Lewis then I know that Cameron has lost it.TheScreamingEagles said:
Perhaps you're similarly aghast to what Leaver Tory MP Julian Lewis has also said on that same front page?Casino_Royale said:
I honestly can't believe I just read that.runnymede said:
The PM continues to treat the voters as morons..Casino_Royale said:
I am sitting here with my mouth aghast.0 -
ooops you just spotted the flaw in Mr Meeks argument.Speedy said:
Knock Knock, hello, anybody there ?AlastairMeeks said:David Cameron's warning seems fair enough. There's at least one aggressive militaristic leader who would be delighted to be able to foment disunity and take further military action if the opportunity presents itself.
Of course, if it happened, Leavers would deny any connection with their referendum-inspired isolationism.
We are not leaving NATO you know.
Cameron's opinion on this is ludicrous and it's already being ridiculed as ludicrous.
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Europhiles have an amazing knack for forgetting all the European and other international organisations we belong to, and conflating their areas of responsibility with those of the EU. Some might think it is a deliberate policy of lying to the public.Speedy said:Knock Knock, hello, anybody there ?
We are not leaving NATO you know.
Cameron's opinion on this is ludicrous and it's already being ridiculed as ludicrous.
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Why do you think that Vladimir Putin is keen on Britain leaving? He sees opportunities.Casino_Royale said:
Curiously enough, we managed to avoid WWIII as a member of NATO for almost 25 years prior to our membership of the EEC, and that was during the greatest flashpoint of the Cuban Missile Crisis where there over a million Soviet troops facing off against us in Eastern Europe.AlastairMeeks said:David Cameron's warning seems fair enough. There's at least one aggressive militaristic leader who would be delighted to be able to foment disunity and take further military action if the opportunity presents itself.
Of course, if it happened, Leavers would deny any connection with their referendum-inspired isolationism.
I think we (and Europe) will be ok.0 -
when you think the claims from either side can't get any more ridiculous...they still manage to take things to another level.
I guess if it did bring war, Obama would tell us we would be at the back of the queue for help from the US.0 -
TSE did say that in a few articles ago but seems to have changed his mind tonight and swallowed the Cameron/Osborne line again and again and again.....Casino_Royale said:
David Cameron is our Prime Minister.TheScreamingEagles said:
Perhaps you're similarly aghast to what Leaver Tory MP Julian Lewis has also said on that same front page?Casino_Royale said:
I honestly can't believe I just read that.runnymede said:
The PM continues to treat the voters as morons..Casino_Royale said:
I am sitting here with my mouth aghast.
Seriously, TSE, you need to get in touch with your friends at Remain and tell them to get a grip.
They're in danger of making themselves a laughing stock.
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So we're heading towards war in Europe whether we stay in or go out ?TheScreamingEagles said:
The Armed Forces Minister (and Leaver) a few weeks ago made the opposite argument, that Remaining would lead to conflict/war.Casino_Royale said:
David Cameron is our Prime Minister.TheScreamingEagles said:
Perhaps you're similarly aghast to what Leaver Tory MP Julian Lewis has also said on that same front page?Casino_Royale said:
I honestly can't believe I just read that.runnymede said:
The PM continues to treat the voters as morons..Casino_Royale said:
I am sitting here with my mouth aghast.
Seriously, TSE, you need to get in touch with your friends at Remain and tell them to get a grip.
They're in danger of making themselves a laughing stock.
I'm assuming Leave made themselves a laughing stock then?
Good to see such hopeful positive campaigns from both sides.0 -
It's very kind of the PM to make equally ludicrous statements in order to cover for his Minister.TheScreamingEagles said:
The Armed Forces Minister (and Leaver) a few weeks ago made the opposite argument, that Remaining would lead to conflict/war.Casino_Royale said:
David Cameron is our Prime Minister.TheScreamingEagles said:
Perhaps you're similarly aghast to what Leaver Tory MP Julian Lewis has also said on that same front page?Casino_Royale said:
I honestly can't believe I just read that.runnymede said:
The PM continues to treat the voters as morons..Casino_Royale said:
I am sitting here with my mouth aghast.
Seriously, TSE, you need to get in touch with your friends at Remain and tell them to get a grip.
They're in danger of making themselves a laughing stock.
I'm assuming Leave made themselves a laughing stock then?
Now we can all laugh at the PM instead, as he is the bigger joke.0 -
This is exactly the same stuff as was used during IndyRef. There is a way to go yet before peak ridiculousness.glw said:
Yes, assuming that the Telegraph are accurately reporting Cameron. Dave must be bricking it if that's the sort of nonsense he's now going to spout. Obviously things are not going to plan for Dave, it looks like a way closer fight than Remain expected it to be.MP_SE said:Have we reached peak ridiculous?
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Err no, I'm sticking my original position, both sides are engaging stupid levels of Project Fear.TCPoliticalBetting said:
TSE did say that in a few articles ago but seems to have changed his mind tonight and swallowed the Cameron/Osborne line again and again and again.....Casino_Royale said:
David Cameron is our Prime Minister.TheScreamingEagles said:
Perhaps you're similarly aghast to what Leaver Tory MP Julian Lewis has also said on that same front page?Casino_Royale said:
I honestly can't believe I just read that.runnymede said:
The PM continues to treat the voters as morons..Casino_Royale said:
I am sitting here with my mouth aghast.
Seriously, TSE, you need to get in touch with your friends at Remain and tell them to get a grip.
They're in danger of making themselves a laughing stock.0 -
Bad Vlad will be kept in his box (or not) by NATO not whether we remain members of the EU.AlastairMeeks said:
Why do you think that Vladimir Putin is keen on Britain leaving? He sees opportunities.Casino_Royale said:
Curiously enough, we managed to avoid WWIII as a member of NATO for almost 25 years prior to our membership of the EEC, and that was during the greatest flashpoint of the Cuban Missile Crisis where there over a million Soviet troops facing off against us in Eastern Europe.AlastairMeeks said:David Cameron's warning seems fair enough. There's at least one aggressive militaristic leader who would be delighted to be able to foment disunity and take further military action if the opportunity presents itself.
Of course, if it happened, Leavers would deny any connection with their referendum-inspired isolationism.
I think we (and Europe) will be ok.0 -
I couldn't care less what Vladimir Putin thinks.AlastairMeeks said:
Why do you think that Vladimir Putin is keen on Britain leaving? He sees opportunities.Casino_Royale said:
Curiously enough, we managed to avoid WWIII as a member of NATO for almost 25 years prior to our membership of the EEC, and that was during the greatest flashpoint of the Cuban Missile Crisis where there over a million Soviet troops facing off against us in Eastern Europe.AlastairMeeks said:David Cameron's warning seems fair enough. There's at least one aggressive militaristic leader who would be delighted to be able to foment disunity and take further military action if the opportunity presents itself.
Of course, if it happened, Leavers would deny any connection with their referendum-inspired isolationism.
I think we (and Europe) will be ok.
Our resolve to face up to him, and our cooperation with our neighbours and near allies on the matter, is not going to be affected by Brexit.0 -
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It's the telegraph. The chances of honesty or accuracy are limited.GIN1138 said:
David Cameron - From Mad To Worse!Plato_Says said:0 -
FrancisUrquhart said:
when you think the claims from either side can't get any more ridiculous...they still manage to take things to another level.
I guess if it did bring war, Obama would tell us we would be at the back of the queue for help from the US.
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Selling into the single market is not the same as being part of it. I am sure you understand that. If we are not part of it we lose access to it. Again, it's pretty easy. We don't lose all access, but we lose at least some. That will push up the cost of doing business in EU member states; something that matters to a lot of companies. If it happens to us, we'll focus on growing in Asia and the US. Fine for shareholders, great news for US and Asia/based employees, less exciting for those working in our London office.runnymede said:
Clearly if we leave the EU and don't take the EEA/EFTA option we will no longer be part of the single market. That is just a statement of the obvious.SouthamObserver said:More interesting than Cameron's silly war claim is Gove's admission that we'll lose access to the single market post-Brexit. That is not good news.
It doesn't mean you can't sell into those countries remaining in it, though. This phrase you use, 'lose access' is devoid of meaning.
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Vote for brexit & independence day will become a reality...0
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We've already decided that they are incapable of being left in charge of refugee children.TCPoliticalBetting said:James Forsyth
@JGForsyth
How little do we think of the rest of the EU, if we think that Brexit would lead to war on the continent?
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And the times, mail,.....matt said:
It's the telegraph. The chances of honesty or accuracy are limited.GIN1138 said:
David Cameron - From Mad To Worse!Plato_Says said:0 -
If Europe was really at risk of attack from Russia then you would expect most European countries to actually comply with the NATO target of spending at least 2% of their GDP on defence. Very few European countries comply with the target therefore it is safe to assume the risk is minimal.0
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Quite right.MP_SE said:If Europe was really at risk of attack from Russia then you would expect most of the countries to actually comply with the NATO target of spending at least 2% of their GDP on defence. Very few European countries comply with the target therefore it is safe to assume the risk is minimal.
Some of those with the highest GDP per capita spend the least on defence.0 -
Pointing out the statement of the bleeding obvious that the euro is creating major conflict between euro countries is apparently the same as Cameron predicting war if we LEAVE..... The first is a fact that the euro is creating conflict between peoples such as greeks vs germans and the second from Cameron is his prediction of the consequences of LEAVE.Pulpstar said:
So we're heading towards war in Europe whether we stay in or go out ?TheScreamingEagles said:
The Armed Forces Minister (and Leaver) a few weeks ago made the opposite argument, that Remaining would lead to conflict/war.Casino_Royale said:
David Cameron is our Prime Minister.TheScreamingEagles said:
Perhaps you're similarly aghast to what Leaver Tory MP Julian Lewis has also said on that same front page?Casino_Royale said:
I honestly can't believe I just read that.runnymede said:
The PM continues to treat the voters as morons..Casino_Royale said:
I am sitting here with my mouth aghast.
Seriously, TSE, you need to get in touch with your friends at Remain and tell them to get a grip.
They're in danger of making themselves a laughing stock.
I'm assuming Leave made themselves a laughing stock then?
Good to see such hopeful positive campaigns from both sides.
Fact vs Prediction.
REMAIN vs LEAVE
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Agree.GIN1138 said:
Bad Vlad will be kept in his box (or not) by NATO not whether we remain members of the EU.AlastairMeeks said:
Why do you think that Vladimir Putin is keen on Britain leaving? He sees opportunities.Casino_Royale said:
Curiously enough, we managed to avoid WWIII as a member of NATO for almost 25 years prior to our membership of the EEC, and that was during the greatest flashpoint of the Cuban Missile Crisis where there over a million Soviet troops facing off against us in Eastern Europe.AlastairMeeks said:David Cameron's warning seems fair enough. There's at least one aggressive militaristic leader who would be delighted to be able to foment disunity and take further military action if the opportunity presents itself.
Of course, if it happened, Leavers would deny any connection with their referendum-inspired isolationism.
I think we (and Europe) will be ok.0 -
Like Chinese Steel has?SouthamObserver said:More interesting than Cameron's silly war claim is Gove's admission that we'll lose access to the single market post-Brexit. That is not good news.
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New YouGov Refendum Poll
Remain 42 (+1)
Leave 40 (-2)0 -
If you really think that, then why are you defending the PM lowering himself to their level?TheScreamingEagles said:
The Armed Forces Minister (and Leaver) a few weeks ago made the opposite argument, that Remaining would lead to conflict/war.Casino_Royale said:
David Cameron is our Prime Minister.TheScreamingEagles said:
Perhaps you're similarly aghast to what Leaver Tory MP Julian Lewis has also said on that same front page?Casino_Royale said:
I honestly can't believe I just read that.runnymede said:
The PM continues to treat the voters as morons..Casino_Royale said:
I am sitting here with my mouth aghast.
Seriously, TSE, you need to get in touch with your friends at Remain and tell them to get a grip.
They're in danger of making themselves a laughing stock.
I'm assuming Leave made themselves a laughing stock then?
You've gone totally deaf on the EU referendum. You are far too emotionally and personally close to CCHQ to be objective on the matter.
Your only answers to criticisms are whataboutism and lookoverthere; you're not even thinking anymore.
If you don't see how the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom publicly implying in his major kick-off speech of the campaign that a vote for Brexit "risks war" is a problem, and grossly irresponsible, then this campaign is going to have far-reaching consequences, whatever the result, way way down the line.0 -
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!Tykejohnno said:0 -
I see that the site's hardcore Leavers are of the view that Britain can waltz out of the EU without any short, medium or long term damage to relations with other countries and without in any way destabilising international relations.
And then they suggest that this is beyond doubt. Remarkable.0 -
Sky are not saying there will be war if we leave, their report says that David Cameron will make a strong case for being together in Europe for defence and security. The telegraph's headline is meant to cause chaos but I will wait for his speech tomorrow to decide on his narrative. Leave are jumping on a headline of a speech that hasn't been made. If the telegraph prove to be correct then I will join the chorus of disapproval, but not before0
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#TooCloseToCallTheScreamingEagles said:New YouGov Refendum Poll
Remain 42 (+1)
Leave 40 (-2)0 -
Sadly true.Casino_Royale said:
If you really think that, then why are you defending the PM lowering himself to their level?TheScreamingEagles said:
The Armed Forces Minister (and Leaver) a few weeks ago made the opposite argument, that Remaining would lead to conflict/war.Casino_Royale said:
David Cameron is our Prime Minister.TheScreamingEagles said:
Perhaps you're similarly aghast to what Leaver Tory MP Julian Lewis has also said on that same front page?Casino_Royale said:
I honestly can't believe I just read that.runnymede said:
The PM continues to treat the voters as morons..Casino_Royale said:
I am sitting here with my mouth aghast.
Seriously, TSE, you need to get in touch with your friends at Remain and tell them to get a grip.
They're in danger of making themselves a laughing stock.
I'm assuming Leave made themselves a laughing stock then?
You've gone totally deaf on the EU referendum. You are far too emotionally and personally close to CCHQ to be objective on the matter.
Your only answers to criticisms are whataboutism and lookoverthere; you're not even thinking anymore.
If you don't see how the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom publicly implying in his major kick-off speech of the campaign that a vote for Brexit "risks war" is a problem, and grossly irresponsible, then this campaign is going to have far-reaching consequences, whatever the result, way way down the line.
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Why stay at WORLD WAR, if it's worth doing it's worth overdoing:Tykejohnno said:
"Cameron: If we leave the EU we will have galactic STAR WARS."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXDnFYu91vY0 -
Now why not smile and have an early night?TheScreamingEagles said:New YouGov Refendum Poll
Remain 42 (+1)
Leave 40 (-2)
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You know that bit where anorexics look in the mirror and see a really fat girl? The pound is currently as weak as a newborn fawn with a cough.weejonnie said:
I thought we wanted a weaker pound to encourage exports.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Rates will rise to defend the pound and probably on an exit vote fairly soon afterSpeedy said:
Rates are not going to rise as long as there is deflation, you need inflation rates to rise way above 2% while GDP growth is healthy to see a rise in rates.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Rise in mortgage cost. Both my children have expressed concern that leaving may cause rates to risePlato_Says said:Osborne unwittingly comes up with good reason to vote Leave https://t.co/t17PaxIjXy
I don't think we are going to see neither in today's world of low investment and low demand regardless of the EU ref. outcome.0 -
Were there any Anglo-European Wars between 1945 and 1973?AlastairMeeks said:I see that the site's hardcore Leavers are of the view that Britain can waltz out of the EU without any short, medium or long term damage to relations with other countries and without in any way destabilising international relations.
And then they suggest that this is beyond doubt. Remarkable.0 -
He's a laughing stock.chestnut said:
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!Tykejohnno said:0 -
My views haven't changed from this morning's thread.Casino_Royale said:
If you really think that, then why are you defending the PM lowering himself to their level?TheScreamingEagles said:
The Armed Forces Minister (and Leaver) a few weeks ago made the opposite argument, that Remaining would lead to conflict/war.Casino_Royale said:
David Cameron is our Prime Minister.TheScreamingEagles said:
Perhaps you're similarly aghast to what Leaver Tory MP Julian Lewis has also said on that same front page?Casino_Royale said:
I honestly can't believe I just read that.runnymede said:
The PM continues to treat the voters as morons..Casino_Royale said:
I am sitting here with my mouth aghast.
Seriously, TSE, you need to get in touch with your friends at Remain and tell them to get a grip.
They're in danger of making themselves a laughing stock.
I'm assuming Leave made themselves a laughing stock then?
You've gone totally deaf on the EU referendum. You are far too emotionally and personally close to CCHQ to be objective on the matter.
Your only answers to criticisms are whataboutism and lookoverthere; you're not even thinking anymore.
If you don't see how the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom publicly implying in his major kick-off speech of the campaign that a vote for Brexit "risks war" is a problem, and grossly irresponsible, then this campaign is going to have far-reaching consequences, whatever the result, way way down the line.
All I'm pointing out is the hypocrisy of Leavers on here, when Leavers make the same argument for Leave as Dave has done, there's nothing but silence, but when Dave does it, he's a nutcase etc.0 -
F**k me. This gets EVEN WORSE.chestnut said:
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!Tykejohnno said:
This is straight out of Andrew Cooper's playbook: the only criticism he would allow of the Scottish campaign is that there was not enough negativity.
Looks like he's gone for the full hog roast here, with extra helpings.
Actually, no. I can't think of a metaphor for this. It's just off the scale.0 -
Leaving the EU would not just lead to war but also genocide if Cameron is to be believed...Casino_Royale said:
If you really think that, then why are you defending the PM lowering himself to their level?TheScreamingEagles said:
The Armed Forces Minister (and Leaver) a few weeks ago made the opposite argument, that Remaining would lead to conflict/war.Casino_Royale said:
David Cameron is our Prime Minister.TheScreamingEagles said:
Perhaps you're similarly aghast to what Leaver Tory MP Julian Lewis has also said on that same front page?Casino_Royale said:
I honestly can't believe I just read that.runnymede said:
The PM continues to treat the voters as morons..Casino_Royale said:
I am sitting here with my mouth aghast.
Seriously, TSE, you need to get in touch with your friends at Remain and tell them to get a grip.
They're in danger of making themselves a laughing stock.
I'm assuming Leave made themselves a laughing stock then?
You've gone totally deaf on the EU referendum. You are far too emotionally and personally close to CCHQ to be objective on the matter.
Your only answers to criticisms are whataboutism and lookoverthere; you're not even thinking anymore.
If you don't see how the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom publicly implying in his major kick-off speech of the campaign that a vote for Brexit "risks war" is a problem, and grossly irresponsible, then this campaign is going to have far-reaching consequences, whatever the result, way way down the line.0 -
And there has already been plenty of civil unrest - or have you forgotten the photos from Greece?MarkHopkins said:TheScreamingEagles said:
How about Penny Mordaunt?TCPoliticalBetting said:
When Cameron starts speaking just like Julian effing Lewis then I know that Cameron has lost it.TheScreamingEagles said:
Perhaps you're similarly aghast to what Leaver Tory MP Julian Lewis has also said on that same front page?Casino_Royale said:
I honestly can't believe I just read that.runnymede said:
The PM continues to treat the voters as morons..Casino_Royale said:
I am sitting here with my mouth aghast.
Europe will only avoid ‘sleepwalking’ into a conflict between members states if Britain votes to leave, warns Armed Forces Minister
The EU can only be saved from sleepwalking into the ‘disaster’ of conflict between its member states by Britain voting to leave, the Armed Forces Minister warned last night.
In a dramatic intervention, Penny Mordaunt said the austerity programme required to keep the euro alive had created ‘tremendous potential for civil unrest’ across the continent.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3564466/Europe-avoid-sleepwalking-conflict-members-states-Britain-votes-leave-warns-Armed-Forces-Minister.html
In a dramatic intervention, Penny Mordaunt said the austerity programme required to keep the euro alive had created ‘tremendous potential for civil unrest’ across the continent.
So the Euro. Invention of the EU. Is the problem.
Got it.0 -
Genocide too?! He's been listening to Ken.Tykejohnno said:He's a nutter.
ttps://twitter.com/suttonnick/status/7294199198933442560 -
Casino_Royale said:
If you really think that, then why are you defending the PM lowering himself to their level?TheScreamingEagles said:
The Armed Forces Minister (and Leaver) a few weeks ago made the opposite argument, that Remaining would lead to conflict/war.Casino_Royale said:
David Cameron is our Prime Minister.TheScreamingEagles said:
Perhaps you're similarly aghast to what Leaver Tory MP Julian Lewis has also said on that same front page?Casino_Royale said:
I honestly can't believe I just read that.runnymede said:
The PM continues to treat the voters as morons..Casino_Royale said:
I am sitting here with my mouth aghast.
Seriously, TSE, you need to get in touch with your friends at Remain and tell them to get a grip.
They're in danger of making themselves a laughing stock.
I'm assuming Leave made themselves a laughing stock then?
You've gone totally deaf on the EU referendum. You are far too emotionally and personally close to CCHQ to be objective on the matter.
Your only answers to criticisms are whataboutism and lookoverthere; you're not even thinking anymore.
If you don't see how the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom publicly implying in his major kick-off speech of the campaign that a vote for Brexit "risks war" is a problem, and grossly irresponsible, then this campaign is going to have far-reaching consequences, whatever the result, way way down the line.
A little while ago, Cameron was fine with Britain leaving the EU, and he "ruled nothing out" if the renegotiation failed.
Now apparently Leave means Armageddon.
"FFS" is an expression one could respond with.
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Go talk to the Balts. They are kaking themselves. For good reason.MP_SE said:If Europe was really at risk of attack from Russia then you would expect most European countries to actually comply with the NATO target of spending at least 2% of their GDP on defence. Very few European countries comply with the target therefore it is safe to assume the risk is minimal.
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Maybe he's just desperate?Tykejohnno said:
He's a laughing stock.chestnut said:
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!Tykejohnno said:
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More chance of accuracy and honesty from the Telegraph than there is from Cameron.matt said:
It's the telegraph. The chances of honesty or accuracy are limited.GIN1138 said:
David Cameron - From Mad To Worse!Plato_Says said:0 -
Vladimir Putin won't be around for ever.AlastairMeeks said:
Why do you think that Vladimir Putin is keen on Britain leaving? He sees opportunities.Casino_Royale said:
Curiously enough, we managed to avoid WWIII as a member of NATO for almost 25 years prior to our membership of the EEC, and that was during the greatest flashpoint of the Cuban Missile Crisis where there over a million Soviet troops facing off against us in Eastern Europe.AlastairMeeks said:David Cameron's warning seems fair enough. There's at least one aggressive militaristic leader who would be delighted to be able to foment disunity and take further military action if the opportunity presents itself.
Of course, if it happened, Leavers would deny any connection with their referendum-inspired isolationism.
I think we (and Europe) will be ok.
He's an opportunistic thug, faced by a historically weak generation of compromised and pusillanimous Western leaders.
Brexit is bigger than Putin.0 -
Believe in PEACE!Pulpstar said:
So we're heading towards war in Europe whether we stay in or go out ?TheScreamingEagles said:
The Armed Forces Minister (and Leaver) a few weeks ago made the opposite argument, that Remaining would lead to conflict/war.Casino_Royale said:
David Cameron is our Prime Minister.TheScreamingEagles said:
Perhaps you're similarly aghast to what Leaver Tory MP Julian Lewis has also said on that same front page?Casino_Royale said:
I honestly can't believe I just read that.runnymede said:
The PM continues to treat the voters as morons..Casino_Royale said:
I am sitting here with my mouth aghast.
Seriously, TSE, you need to get in touch with your friends at Remain and tell them to get a grip.
They're in danger of making themselves a laughing stock.
I'm assuming Leave made themselves a laughing stock then?
Good to see such hopeful positive campaigns from both sides.
Believe in BRITAIN!
Be LEAVE! 0 -
'time to end it all now'MP_SE said:
Leaving the EU would not just lead to war but also genocide if Cameron is to be believed...Casino_Royale said:
If you really think that, then why are you defending the PM lowering himself to their level?TheScreamingEagles said:
The Armed Forces Minister (and Leaver) a few weeks ago made the opposite argument, that Remaining would lead to conflict/war.Casino_Royale said:
David Cameron is our Prime Minister.TheScreamingEagles said:
Perhaps you're similarly aghast to what Leaver Tory MP Julian Lewis has also said on that same front page?Casino_Royale said:
I honestly can't believe I just read that.runnymede said:
The PM continues to treat the voters as morons..Casino_Royale said:
I am sitting here with my mouth aghast.
Seriously, TSE, you need to get in touch with your friends at Remain and tell them to get a grip.
They're in danger of making themselves a laughing stock.
I'm assuming Leave made themselves a laughing stock then?
You've gone totally deaf on the EU referendum. You are far too emotionally and personally close to CCHQ to be objective on the matter.
Your only answers to criticisms are whataboutism and lookoverthere; you're not even thinking anymore.
If you don't see how the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom publicly implying in his major kick-off speech of the campaign that a vote for Brexit "risks war" is a problem, and grossly irresponsible, then this campaign is going to have far-reaching consequences, whatever the result, way way down the line.
All UK households to be issued with revolvers and bottles of whisky in event of Brexit
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZMYO_iT-r0Sunil_Prasannan said:
Believe in PEACE!Pulpstar said:
So we're heading towards war in Europe whether we stay in or go out ?TheScreamingEagles said:
The Armed Forces Minister (and Leaver) a few weeks ago made the opposite argument, that Remaining would lead to conflict/war.Casino_Royale said:
David Cameron is our Prime Minister.TheScreamingEagles said:
Perhaps you're similarly aghast to what Leaver Tory MP Julian Lewis has also said on that same front page?Casino_Royale said:
I honestly can't believe I just read that.runnymede said:
The PM continues to treat the voters as morons..Casino_Royale said:
I am sitting here with my mouth aghast.
Seriously, TSE, you need to get in touch with your friends at Remain and tell them to get a grip.
They're in danger of making themselves a laughing stock.
I'm assuming Leave made themselves a laughing stock then?
Good to see such hopeful positive campaigns from both sides.
Believe in BRITAIN!
Be LEAVE!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dW6SkvErFEE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Uu3kCEEc980 -
So the correct action is to make the current generation of Western leaders weaker, more compromised and more pusillanimous? Really?Charles said:
Vladimir Putin won't be around for ever.AlastairMeeks said:
Why do you think that Vladimir Putin is keen on Britain leaving? He sees opportunities.Casino_Royale said:
Curiously enough, we managed to avoid WWIII as a member of NATO for almost 25 years prior to our membership of the EEC, and that was during the greatest flashpoint of the Cuban Missile Crisis where there over a million Soviet troops facing off against us in Eastern Europe.AlastairMeeks said:David Cameron's warning seems fair enough. There's at least one aggressive militaristic leader who would be delighted to be able to foment disunity and take further military action if the opportunity presents itself.
Of course, if it happened, Leavers would deny any connection with their referendum-inspired isolationism.
I think we (and Europe) will be ok.
He's an opportunistic thug, faced by a historically weak generation of compromised and pusillanimous Western leaders.
Brexit is bigger than Putin.
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Except it wasn't the same point, That is just your own craven dishonesty. No one on the Leave side has claimed there will be genocide and world war if we remain.TheScreamingEagles said:
My views haven't changed from this morning's thread.Casino_Royale said:
If you really think that, then why are you defending the PM lowering himself to their level?TheScreamingEagles said:
The Armed Forces Minister (and Leaver) a few weeks ago made the opposite argument, that Remaining would lead to conflict/war.Casino_Royale said:
David Cameron is our Prime Minister.TheScreamingEagles said:
Perhaps you're similarly aghast to what Leaver Tory MP Julian Lewis has also said on that same front page?Casino_Royale said:
I honestly can't believe I just read that.runnymede said:
The PM continues to treat the voters as morons..Casino_Royale said:
I am sitting here with my mouth aghast.
Seriously, TSE, you need to get in touch with your friends at Remain and tell them to get a grip.
They're in danger of making themselves a laughing stock.
I'm assuming Leave made themselves a laughing stock then?
You've gone totally deaf on the EU referendum. You are far too emotionally and personally close to CCHQ to be objective on the matter.
Your only answers to criticisms are whataboutism and lookoverthere; you're not even thinking anymore.
If you don't see how the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom publicly implying in his major kick-off speech of the campaign that a vote for Brexit "risks war" is a problem, and grossly irresponsible, then this campaign is going to have far-reaching consequences, whatever the result, way way down the line.
All I'm pointing out is the hypocrisy of Leavers on here, when Leavers make the same argument for Leave as Dave has done, there's nothing but silence, but when Dave does it, he's a nutcase etc.
You really have sunk to the sewer with your postings on the Brexit campaign lately. I had simply considered you a TPD. Now I think you are thoroughly dishonest as well. The hypocrisy is all on your side.0 -
The fieldwork for this poll was the end of last weekTheScreamingEagles said:New YouGov Refendum Poll
Remain 42 (+1)
Leave 40 (-2)0 -
Blue on blue alert! This is going to be an interesting few weeks...
(munches popcorn!)0 -
The telegraph, mail and times have made an issue of this before David Cameron has spoken but one thing it has done is to put the spotlight on him tomorrow and diminish Boris's big speech. We will see how this pans outRichard_Tyndall said:
More chance of accuracy and honesty from the Telegraph than there is from Cameron.matt said:
It's the telegraph. The chances of honesty or accuracy are limited.GIN1138 said:
David Cameron - From Mad To Worse!Plato_Says said:0 -
The free whisky would seal the deal for LEAVE!runnymede said:
'time to end it all now'MP_SE said:
Leaving the EU would not just lead to war but also genocide if Cameron is to be believed...Casino_Royale said:
If you really think that, then why are you defending the PM lowering himself to their level?TheScreamingEagles said:
The Armed Forces Minister (and Leaver) a few weeks ago made the opposite argument, that Remaining would lead to conflict/war.Casino_Royale said:
David Cameron is our Prime Minister.TheScreamingEagles said:
Perhaps you're similarly aghast to what Leaver Tory MP Julian Lewis has also said on that same front page?Casino_Royale said:
I honestly can't believe I just read that.runnymede said:
The PM continues to treat the voters as morons..Casino_Royale said:
I am sitting here with my mouth aghast.
Seriously, TSE, you need to get in touch with your friends at Remain and tell them to get a grip.
They're in danger of making themselves a laughing stock.
I'm assuming Leave made themselves a laughing stock then?
You've gone totally deaf on the EU referendum. You are far too emotionally and personally close to CCHQ to be objective on the matter.
Your only answers to criticisms are whataboutism and lookoverthere; you're not even thinking anymore.
If you don't see how the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom publicly implying in his major kick-off speech of the campaign that a vote for Brexit "risks war" is a problem, and grossly irresponsible, then this campaign is going to have far-reaching consequences, whatever the result, way way down the line.
All UK households to be issued with revolvers and bottles of whisky in event of Brexit
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I so hope you're out campaigning for Leave.Richard_Tyndall said:
Except it wasn't the same point, That is just your own craven dishonesty. No one on the Leave side has claimed there will be genocide and world war if we remain.TheScreamingEagles said:
My views haven't changed from this morning's thread.Casino_Royale said:
If you really think that, then why are you defending the PM lowering himself to their level?TheScreamingEagles said:
The Armed Forces Minister (and Leaver) a few weeks ago made the opposite argument, that Remaining would lead to conflict/war.Casino_Royale said:
David Cameron is our Prime Minister.TheScreamingEagles said:
Perhaps you're similarly aghast to what Leaver Tory MP Julian Lewis has also said on that same front page?Casino_Royale said:
I honestly can't believe I just read that.runnymede said:
The PM continues to treat the voters as morons..Casino_Royale said:
I am sitting here with my mouth aghast.
Seriously, TSE, you need to get in touch with your friends at Remain and tell them to get a grip.
They're in danger of making themselves a laughing stock.
I'm assuming Leave made themselves a laughing stock then?
You've gone totally deaf on the EU referendum. You are far too emotionally and personally close to CCHQ to be objective on the matter.
Your only answers to criticisms are whataboutism and lookoverthere; you're not even thinking anymore.
If you don't see how the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom publicly implying in his major kick-off speech of the campaign that a vote for Brexit "risks war" is a problem, and grossly irresponsible, then this campaign is going to have far-reaching consequences, whatever the result, way way down the line.
All I'm pointing out is the hypocrisy of Leavers on here, when Leavers make the same argument for Leave as Dave has done, there's nothing but silence, but when Dave does it, he's a nutcase etc.
You really have sunk to the sewer with your postings on the Brexit campaign lately. I had simply considered you a TPD. Now I think you are thoroughly dishonest as well. The hypocrisy is all on your side.0 -
Coming next week claims if Britain votes for brexit it will be struck with 10 plagues...0
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Ah I see. You are drunk as well.TheScreamingEagles said:
I so hope you're out campaigning for Remain.Richard_Tyndall said:
Except it wasn't the same point, That is just your own craven dishonesty. No one on the Leave side has claimed there will be genocide and world war if we remain.TheScreamingEagles said:
My views haven't changed from this morning's thread.Casino_Royale said:
If you really think that, then why are you defending the PM lowering himself to their level?TheScreamingEagles said:
The Armed Forces Minister (and Leaver) a few weeks ago made the opposite argument, that Remaining would lead to conflict/war.Casino_Royale said:
David Cameron is our Prime Minister.TheScreamingEagles said:
Perhaps you're similarly aghast to what Leaver Tory MP Julian Lewis has also said on that same front page?Casino_Royale said:
I honestly can't believe I just read that.runnymede said:
The PM continues to treat the voters as morons..Casino_Royale said:
I am sitting here with my mouth aghast.
Seriously, TSE, you need to get in touch with your friends at Remain and tell them to get a grip.
They're in danger of making themselves a laughing stock.
I'm assuming Leave made themselves a laughing stock then?
You've gone totally deaf on the EU referendum. You are far too emotionally and personally close to CCHQ to be objective on the matter.
Your only answers to criticisms are whataboutism and lookoverthere; you're not even thinking anymore.
If you don't see how the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom publicly implying in his major kick-off speech of the campaign that a vote for Brexit "risks war" is a problem, and grossly irresponsible, then this campaign is going to have far-reaching consequences, whatever the result, way way down the line.
All I'm pointing out is the hypocrisy of Leavers on here, when Leavers make the same argument for Leave as Dave has done, there's nothing but silence, but when Dave does it, he's a nutcase etc.
You really have sunk to the sewer with your postings on the Brexit campaign lately. I had simply considered you a TPD. Now I think you are thoroughly dishonest as well. The hypocrisy is all on your side.0 -
And I was wrong to agree that peak ridiculousness had been reached. Genocide — Cameron's only a small step away from fulfilling Godwin's law.Tykejohnno said:He's a nutter.
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Throwing a dead war pig may distract from Boris, but it's lasting stupidity will be remembered.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The telegraph, mail and times have made an issue of this before David Cameron has spoken but one thing it has done is to put the spotlight on him tomorrow and diminish Boris's big speech. We will see how this pans outRichard_Tyndall said:
More chance of accuracy and honesty from the Telegraph than there is from Cameron.matt said:
It's the telegraph. The chances of honesty or accuracy are limited.GIN1138 said:
David Cameron - From Mad To Worse!Plato_Says said:0 -
Cameron's Prime Minister. His words carry more weight.TheScreamingEagles said:
My views haven't changed from this morning's thread.Casino_Royale said:
If you really think that, then why are you defending the PM lowering himself to their level?TheScreamingEagles said:
The Armed Forces Minister (and Leaver) a few weeks ago made the opposite argument, that Remaining would lead to conflict/war.Casino_Royale said:
David Cameron is our Prime Minister.TheScreamingEagles said:
Perhaps you're similarly aghast to what Leaver Tory MP Julian Lewis has also said on that same front page?Casino_Royale said:
I honestly can't believe I just read that.runnymede said:
The PM continues to treat the voters as morons..Casino_Royale said:
I am sitting here with my mouth aghast.
Seriously, TSE, you need to get in touch with your friends at Remain and tell them to get a grip.
They're in danger of making themselves a laughing stock.
I'm assuming Leave made themselves a laughing stock then?
You've gone totally deaf on the EU referendum. You are far too emotionally and personally close to CCHQ to be objective on the matter.
Your only answers to criticisms are whataboutism and lookoverthere; you're not even thinking anymore.
If you don't see how the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom publicly implying in his major kick-off speech of the campaign that a vote for Brexit "risks war" is a problem, and grossly irresponsible, then this campaign is going to have far-reaching consequences, whatever the result, way way down the line.
All I'm pointing out is the hypocrisy of Leavers on here, when Leavers make the same argument for Leave as Dave has done, there's nothing but silence, but when Dave does it, he's a nutcase etc.0 -
Our NATO membership is NOT at stake on June 23rd.AlastairMeeks said:
So the correct action is to make the current generation of Western leaders weaker, more compromised and more pusillanimous? Really?Charles said:
Vladimir Putin won't be around for ever.AlastairMeeks said:
Why do you think that Vladimir Putin is keen on Britain leaving? He sees opportunities.Casino_Royale said:
Curiously enough, we managed to avoid WWIII as a member of NATO for almost 25 years prior to our membership of the EEC, and that was during the greatest flashpoint of the Cuban Missile Crisis where there over a million Soviet troops facing off against us in Eastern Europe.AlastairMeeks said:David Cameron's warning seems fair enough. There's at least one aggressive militaristic leader who would be delighted to be able to foment disunity and take further military action if the opportunity presents itself.
Of course, if it happened, Leavers would deny any connection with their referendum-inspired isolationism.
I think we (and Europe) will be ok.
He's an opportunistic thug, faced by a historically weak generation of compromised and pusillanimous Western leaders.
Brexit is bigger than Putin.0 -
And a couple of asteroids hitting Stevenage.FrancisUrquhart said:Coming next week claims if Britain votes for brexit it will be struck with 10 plagues...
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The correct action is to act on the will of the people, which is what will happen.AlastairMeeks said:
So the correct action is to make the current generation of Western leaders weaker, more compromised and more pusillanimous? Really?Charles said:
Vladimir Putin won't be around for ever.AlastairMeeks said:
Why do you think that Vladimir Putin is keen on Britain leaving? He sees opportunities.Casino_Royale said:
Curiously enough, we managed to avoid WWIII as a member of NATO for almost 25 years prior to our membership of the EEC, and that was during the greatest flashpoint of the Cuban Missile Crisis where there over a million Soviet troops facing off against us in Eastern Europe.AlastairMeeks said:David Cameron's warning seems fair enough. There's at least one aggressive militaristic leader who would be delighted to be able to foment disunity and take further military action if the opportunity presents itself.
Of course, if it happened, Leavers would deny any connection with their referendum-inspired isolationism.
I think we (and Europe) will be ok.
He's an opportunistic thug, faced by a historically weak generation of compromised and pusillanimous Western leaders.
Brexit is bigger than Putin.
Does Putin scare you? The Remainiacs I know are all scared of something. Leavers seem far more hopeful. Presumably that is why the only justification most of the former can give for staying is Project Fear.
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A typo on my part, but for the avoidance of doubt, I so hope you're campaigning for Leave.Richard_Tyndall said:
Ah I see. You are drunk as well.TheScreamingEagles said:
I so hope you're out campaigning for Remain.Richard_Tyndall said:
Except it wasn't the same point, That is just your own craven dishonesty. No one on the Leave side has claimed there will be genocide and world war if we remain.TheScreamingEagles said:
My views haven't changed from this morning's thread.Casino_Royale said:
If you really think that, then why are you defending the PM lowering himself to their level?TheScreamingEagles said:
The Armed Forces Minister (and Leaver) a few weeks ago made the opposite argument, that Remaining would lead to conflict/war.Casino_Royale said:
David Cameron is our Prime Minister.TheScreamingEagles said:
Perhaps you're similarly aghast to what Leaver Tory MP Julian Lewis has also said on that same front page?Casino_Royale said:
I honestly can't believe I just read that.runnymede said:
The PM continues to treat the voters as morons..Casino_Royale said:
I am sitting here with my mouth aghast.
Seriously, TSE, you need to get in touch with your friends at Remain and tell them to get a grip.
They're in danger of making themselves a laughing stock.
I'm assuming Leave made themselves a laughing stock then?
You've gone totally deaf on the EU referendum. You are far too emotionally and personally close to CCHQ to be objective on the matter.
Your only answers to criticisms are whataboutism and lookoverthere; you're not even thinking anymore.
If you don't see how the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom publicly implying in his major kick-off speech of the campaign that a vote for Brexit "risks war" is a problem, and grossly irresponsible, then this campaign is going to have far-reaching consequences, whatever the result, way way down the line.
All I'm pointing out is the hypocrisy of Leavers on here, when Leavers make the same argument for Leave as Dave has done, there's nothing but silence, but when Dave does it, he's a nutcase etc.
You really have sunk to the sewer with your postings on the Brexit campaign lately. I had simply considered you a TPD. Now I think you are thoroughly dishonest as well. The hypocrisy is all on your side.0 -
There is an argument that Brexit would strengthen the EU as it would allow them to integrate unhindered by the UK who would oppose them at every stage.AlastairMeeks said:
So the correct action is to make the current generation of Western leaders weaker, more compromised and more pusillanimous? Really?Charles said:
Vladimir Putin won't be around for ever.AlastairMeeks said:
Why do you think that Vladimir Putin is keen on Britain leaving? He sees opportunities.Casino_Royale said:
Curiously enough, we managed to avoid WWIII as a member of NATO for almost 25 years prior to our membership of the EEC, and that was during the greatest flashpoint of the Cuban Missile Crisis where there over a million Soviet troops facing off against us in Eastern Europe.AlastairMeeks said:David Cameron's warning seems fair enough. There's at least one aggressive militaristic leader who would be delighted to be able to foment disunity and take further military action if the opportunity presents itself.
Of course, if it happened, Leavers would deny any connection with their referendum-inspired isolationism.
I think we (and Europe) will be ok.
He's an opportunistic thug, faced by a historically weak generation of compromised and pusillanimous Western leaders.
Brexit is bigger than Putin.0 -
I thought we had had that one, already?FrancisUrquhart said:Coming next week claims if Britain votes for brexit it will be struck with 10 plagues...
Perhaps there will be the death of all the first born in the event of Brexit?0 -
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Quite so. And he's putting them at the centre of his keynote speech on day one of the primary campaign period.Charles said:
Cameron's Prime Minister. His words carry more weight.TheScreamingEagles said:
My views haven't changed from this morning's thread.Casino_Royale said:
If you really think that, then why are you defending the PM lowering himself to their level?TheScreamingEagles said:
The Armed Forces Minister (and Leaver) a few weeks ago made the opposite argument, that Remaining would lead to conflict/war.Casino_Royale said:
David Cameron is our Prime Minister.TheScreamingEagles said:
Perhaps you're similarly aghast to what Leaver Tory MP Julian Lewis has also said on that same front page?Casino_Royale said:
I honestly can't believe I just read that.runnymede said:
The PM continues to treat the voters as morons..Casino_Royale said:
I am sitting here with my mouth aghast.
Seriously, TSE, you need to get in touch with your friends at Remain and tell them to get a grip.
They're in danger of making themselves a laughing stock.
I'm assuming Leave made themselves a laughing stock then?
You've gone totally deaf on the EU referendum. You are far too emotionally and personally close to CCHQ to be objective on the matter.
Your only answers to criticisms are whataboutism and lookoverthere; you're not even thinking anymore.
If you don't see how the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom publicly implying in his major kick-off speech of the campaign that a vote for Brexit "risks war" is a problem, and grossly irresponsible, then this campaign is going to have far-reaching consequences, whatever the result, way way down the line.
All I'm pointing out is the hypocrisy of Leavers on here, when Leavers make the same argument for Leave as Dave has done, there's nothing but silence, but when Dave does it, he's a nutcase etc.
Grossly irresponsible.0
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