Remain needs to have a voter registration programme across the political spectrum but specifically to students and young workers.Automatic registration and digital voting would help too.It needs to use assertive outreach to get to the hard-to-get voters eg in flats above shops and in the tower blocks.The referendum will depend on voter registration and engagement with those for whom voting is not normally parts of their civic duty. You will be £480 worse off unless you are registered to vote for Remain.That might work.
Yes, assuming that the Telegraph are accurately reporting Cameron. Dave must be bricking it if that's the sort of nonsense he's now going to spout. Obviously things are not going to plan for Dave, it looks like a way closer fight than Remain expected it to be.
Yes, assuming that the Telegraph are accurately reporting Cameron. Dave must be bricking it if that's the sort of nonsense he's now going to spout. Obviously things are not going to plan for Dave, it looks like a way closer fight than Remain expected it to be.
Yes it does look like he has running out of threats as all the previous ones had failed. 17 more days of this cr*p from Cameron.
David Cameron's warning seems fair enough. There's at least one aggressive militaristic leader who would be delighted to be able to foment disunity and take further military action if the opportunity presents itself.
Of course, if it happened, Leavers would deny any connection with their referendum-inspired isolationism.
Knock Knock, hello, anybody there ? We are not leaving NATO you know.
Cameron's opinion on this is ludicrous and it's already being ridiculed as ludicrous.
Perhaps you're similarly aghast to what Leaver Tory MP Julian Lewis has also said on that same front page?
When Cameron starts speaking just like Julian effing Lewis then I know that Cameron has lost it.
How about Penny Mordaunt?
Europe will only avoid ‘sleepwalking’ into a conflict between members states if Britain votes to leave, warns Armed Forces Minister
The EU can only be saved from sleepwalking into the ‘disaster’ of conflict between its member states by Britain voting to leave, the Armed Forces Minister warned last night.
In a dramatic intervention, Penny Mordaunt said the austerity programme required to keep the euro alive had created ‘tremendous potential for civil unrest’ across the continent.
Well I'm sure that were the EU Referendum to be decided by London alone this would be a "pointer" but sadly for REMAIN the rest of the country has to be consulted as well...
More interesting than Cameron's silly war claim is Gove's admission that we'll lose access to the single market post-Brexit. That is not good news.
It seems to have angered the City and CBI according to the FT. I simply was taken aback when he announced it on Marr. He cannot be serious - biggest own goal to leave so far
More interesting than Cameron's silly war claim is Gove's admission that we'll lose access to the single market post-Brexit. That is not good news.
Don't worry, he'll have a different policy position on this in a couple of days' time. After Norway, Switzerland, Canada and Albania, we were due a new one from Leave. I look forward to the next mutation.
David Cameron's warning seems fair enough. There's at least one aggressive militaristic leader who would be delighted to be able to foment disunity and take further military action if the opportunity presents itself.
Of course, if it happened, Leavers would deny any connection with their referendum-inspired isolationism.
Knock Knock, hello, anybody there ? We are not leaving NATO you know.
Cameron's opinion on this is ludicrous and it's already being ridiculed as ludicrous.
So you don't think that disunity among European nations would embolden aggressive militarists?
Perhaps you're similarly aghast to what Leaver Tory MP Julian Lewis has also said on that same front page?
When Cameron starts speaking just like Julian effing Lewis then I know that Cameron has lost it.
How about Penny Mordaunt?
Europe will only avoid ‘sleepwalking’ into a conflict between members states if Britain votes to leave, warns Armed Forces Minister
The EU can only be saved from sleepwalking into the ‘disaster’ of conflict between its member states by Britain voting to leave, the Armed Forces Minister warned last night.
In a dramatic intervention, Penny Mordaunt said the austerity programme required to keep the euro alive had created ‘tremendous potential for civil unrest’ across the continent.
In a dramatic intervention, Penny Mordaunt said the austerity programme required to keep the euro alive had created ‘tremendous potential for civil unrest’ across the continent.
David Cameron's warning seems fair enough. There's at least one aggressive militaristic leader who would be delighted to be able to foment disunity and take further military action if the opportunity presents itself.
Of course, if it happened, Leavers would deny any connection with their referendum-inspired isolationism.
Curiously enough, we managed to avoid WWIII as a member of NATO for almost 25 years prior to our membership of the EEC, and that was during the greatest flashpoint of the Cuban Missile Crisis where there over a million Soviet troops facing off against us in Eastern Europe.
Perhaps you're similarly aghast to what Leaver Tory MP Julian Lewis has also said on that same front page?
When Cameron starts speaking just like Julian effing Lewis then I know that Cameron has lost it.
How about Penny Mordaunt? Europe will only avoid ‘sleepwalking’ into a conflict between members states if Britain votes to leave, warns Armed Forces Minister .....
Do you not remember how the greeks reacted to German pressure?
David Cameron's warning seems fair enough. There's at least one aggressive militaristic leader who would be delighted to be able to foment disunity and take further military action if the opportunity presents itself.
Of course, if it happened, Leavers would deny any connection with their referendum-inspired isolationism.
Knock Knock, hello, anybody there ? We are not leaving NATO you know.
Cameron's opinion on this is ludicrous and it's already being ridiculed as ludicrous.
ooops you just spotted the flaw in Mr Meeks argument.
Knock Knock, hello, anybody there ? We are not leaving NATO you know.
Cameron's opinion on this is ludicrous and it's already being ridiculed as ludicrous.
Europhiles have an amazing knack for forgetting all the European and other international organisations we belong to, and conflating their areas of responsibility with those of the EU. Some might think it is a deliberate policy of lying to the public.
David Cameron's warning seems fair enough. There's at least one aggressive militaristic leader who would be delighted to be able to foment disunity and take further military action if the opportunity presents itself.
Of course, if it happened, Leavers would deny any connection with their referendum-inspired isolationism.
Curiously enough, we managed to avoid WWIII as a member of NATO for almost 25 years prior to our membership of the EEC, and that was during the greatest flashpoint of the Cuban Missile Crisis where there over a million Soviet troops facing off against us in Eastern Europe.
I think we (and Europe) will be ok.
Why do you think that Vladimir Putin is keen on Britain leaving? He sees opportunities.
Perhaps you're similarly aghast to what Leaver Tory MP Julian Lewis has also said on that same front page?
David Cameron is our Prime Minister. Seriously, TSE, you need to get in touch with your friends at Remain and tell them to get a grip. They're in danger of making themselves a laughing stock.
TSE did say that in a few articles ago but seems to have changed his mind tonight and swallowed the Cameron/Osborne line again and again and again.....
Perhaps you're similarly aghast to what Leaver Tory MP Julian Lewis has also said on that same front page?
David Cameron is our Prime Minister.
Seriously, TSE, you need to get in touch with your friends at Remain and tell them to get a grip.
They're in danger of making themselves a laughing stock.
The Armed Forces Minister (and Leaver) a few weeks ago made the opposite argument, that Remaining would lead to conflict/war.
I'm assuming Leave made themselves a laughing stock then?
It's very kind of the PM to make equally ludicrous statements in order to cover for his Minister. Now we can all laugh at the PM instead, as he is the bigger joke.
Yes, assuming that the Telegraph are accurately reporting Cameron. Dave must be bricking it if that's the sort of nonsense he's now going to spout. Obviously things are not going to plan for Dave, it looks like a way closer fight than Remain expected it to be.
This is exactly the same stuff as was used during IndyRef. There is a way to go yet before peak ridiculousness.
Perhaps you're similarly aghast to what Leaver Tory MP Julian Lewis has also said on that same front page?
David Cameron is our Prime Minister.
Seriously, TSE, you need to get in touch with your friends at Remain and tell them to get a grip.
They're in danger of making themselves a laughing stock.
TSE did say that in a few articles ago but seems to have changed his mind tonight and swallowed the Cameron/Osborne line again and again and again.....
Err no, I'm sticking my original position, both sides are engaging stupid levels of Project Fear.
David Cameron's warning seems fair enough. There's at least one aggressive militaristic leader who would be delighted to be able to foment disunity and take further military action if the opportunity presents itself.
Of course, if it happened, Leavers would deny any connection with their referendum-inspired isolationism.
Curiously enough, we managed to avoid WWIII as a member of NATO for almost 25 years prior to our membership of the EEC, and that was during the greatest flashpoint of the Cuban Missile Crisis where there over a million Soviet troops facing off against us in Eastern Europe.
I think we (and Europe) will be ok.
Why do you think that Vladimir Putin is keen on Britain leaving? He sees opportunities.
Bad Vlad will be kept in his box (or not) by NATO not whether we remain members of the EU.
David Cameron's warning seems fair enough. There's at least one aggressive militaristic leader who would be delighted to be able to foment disunity and take further military action if the opportunity presents itself.
Of course, if it happened, Leavers would deny any connection with their referendum-inspired isolationism.
Curiously enough, we managed to avoid WWIII as a member of NATO for almost 25 years prior to our membership of the EEC, and that was during the greatest flashpoint of the Cuban Missile Crisis where there over a million Soviet troops facing off against us in Eastern Europe.
I think we (and Europe) will be ok.
Why do you think that Vladimir Putin is keen on Britain leaving? He sees opportunities.
I couldn't care less what Vladimir Putin thinks.
Our resolve to face up to him, and our cooperation with our neighbours and near allies on the matter, is not going to be affected by Brexit.
More interesting than Cameron's silly war claim is Gove's admission that we'll lose access to the single market post-Brexit. That is not good news.
Clearly if we leave the EU and don't take the EEA/EFTA option we will no longer be part of the single market. That is just a statement of the obvious.
It doesn't mean you can't sell into those countries remaining in it, though. This phrase you use, 'lose access' is devoid of meaning.
Selling into the single market is not the same as being part of it. I am sure you understand that. If we are not part of it we lose access to it. Again, it's pretty easy. We don't lose all access, but we lose at least some. That will push up the cost of doing business in EU member states; something that matters to a lot of companies. If it happens to us, we'll focus on growing in Asia and the US. Fine for shareholders, great news for US and Asia/based employees, less exciting for those working in our London office.
If Europe was really at risk of attack from Russia then you would expect most European countries to actually comply with the NATO target of spending at least 2% of their GDP on defence. Very few European countries comply with the target therefore it is safe to assume the risk is minimal.
If Europe was really at risk of attack from Russia then you would expect most of the countries to actually comply with the NATO target of spending at least 2% of their GDP on defence. Very few European countries comply with the target therefore it is safe to assume the risk is minimal.
Quite right.
Some of those with the highest GDP per capita spend the least on defence.
Perhaps you're similarly aghast to what Leaver Tory MP Julian Lewis has also said on that same front page?
David Cameron is our Prime Minister.
Seriously, TSE, you need to get in touch with your friends at Remain and tell them to get a grip.
They're in danger of making themselves a laughing stock.
The Armed Forces Minister (and Leaver) a few weeks ago made the opposite argument, that Remaining would lead to conflict/war.
I'm assuming Leave made themselves a laughing stock then?
So we're heading towards war in Europe whether we stay in or go out ?
Good to see such hopeful positive campaigns from both sides.
Pointing out the statement of the bleeding obvious that the euro is creating major conflict between euro countries is apparently the same as Cameron predicting war if we LEAVE..... The first is a fact that the euro is creating conflict between peoples such as greeks vs germans and the second from Cameron is his prediction of the consequences of LEAVE. Fact vs Prediction. REMAIN vs LEAVE
David Cameron's warning seems fair enough. There's at least one aggressive militaristic leader who would be delighted to be able to foment disunity and take further military action if the opportunity presents itself.
Of course, if it happened, Leavers would deny any connection with their referendum-inspired isolationism.
Curiously enough, we managed to avoid WWIII as a member of NATO for almost 25 years prior to our membership of the EEC, and that was during the greatest flashpoint of the Cuban Missile Crisis where there over a million Soviet troops facing off against us in Eastern Europe.
I think we (and Europe) will be ok.
Why do you think that Vladimir Putin is keen on Britain leaving? He sees opportunities.
Bad Vlad will be kept in his box (or not) by NATO not whether we remain members of the EU.
Perhaps you're similarly aghast to what Leaver Tory MP Julian Lewis has also said on that same front page?
David Cameron is our Prime Minister.
Seriously, TSE, you need to get in touch with your friends at Remain and tell them to get a grip.
They're in danger of making themselves a laughing stock.
The Armed Forces Minister (and Leaver) a few weeks ago made the opposite argument, that Remaining would lead to conflict/war.
I'm assuming Leave made themselves a laughing stock then?
If you really think that, then why are you defending the PM lowering himself to their level?
You've gone totally deaf on the EU referendum. You are far too emotionally and personally close to CCHQ to be objective on the matter.
Your only answers to criticisms are whataboutism and lookoverthere; you're not even thinking anymore.
If you don't see how the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom publicly implying in his major kick-off speech of the campaign that a vote for Brexit "risks war" is a problem, and grossly irresponsible, then this campaign is going to have far-reaching consequences, whatever the result, way way down the line.
I see that the site's hardcore Leavers are of the view that Britain can waltz out of the EU without any short, medium or long term damage to relations with other countries and without in any way destabilising international relations.
And then they suggest that this is beyond doubt. Remarkable.
Sky are not saying there will be war if we leave, their report says that David Cameron will make a strong case for being together in Europe for defence and security. The telegraph's headline is meant to cause chaos but I will wait for his speech tomorrow to decide on his narrative. Leave are jumping on a headline of a speech that hasn't been made. If the telegraph prove to be correct then I will join the chorus of disapproval, but not before
Perhaps you're similarly aghast to what Leaver Tory MP Julian Lewis has also said on that same front page?
David Cameron is our Prime Minister.
Seriously, TSE, you need to get in touch with your friends at Remain and tell them to get a grip.
They're in danger of making themselves a laughing stock.
The Armed Forces Minister (and Leaver) a few weeks ago made the opposite argument, that Remaining would lead to conflict/war.
I'm assuming Leave made themselves a laughing stock then?
If you really think that, then why are you defending the PM lowering himself to their level? You've gone totally deaf on the EU referendum. You are far too emotionally and personally close to CCHQ to be objective on the matter. Your only answers to criticisms are whataboutism and lookoverthere; you're not even thinking anymore. If you don't see how the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom publicly implying in his major kick-off speech of the campaign that a vote for Brexit "risks war" is a problem, and grossly irresponsible, then this campaign is going to have far-reaching consequences, whatever the result, way way down the line.
Rise in mortgage cost. Both my children have expressed concern that leaving may cause rates to rise
Rates are not going to rise as long as there is deflation, you need inflation rates to rise way above 2% while GDP growth is healthy to see a rise in rates.
I don't think we are going to see neither in today's world of low investment and low demand regardless of the EU ref. outcome.
Rates will rise to defend the pound and probably on an exit vote fairly soon after
I thought we wanted a weaker pound to encourage exports.
You know that bit where anorexics look in the mirror and see a really fat girl? The pound is currently as weak as a newborn fawn with a cough.
I see that the site's hardcore Leavers are of the view that Britain can waltz out of the EU without any short, medium or long term damage to relations with other countries and without in any way destabilising international relations.
And then they suggest that this is beyond doubt. Remarkable.
Were there any Anglo-European Wars between 1945 and 1973?
Perhaps you're similarly aghast to what Leaver Tory MP Julian Lewis has also said on that same front page?
David Cameron is our Prime Minister.
Seriously, TSE, you need to get in touch with your friends at Remain and tell them to get a grip.
They're in danger of making themselves a laughing stock.
The Armed Forces Minister (and Leaver) a few weeks ago made the opposite argument, that Remaining would lead to conflict/war.
I'm assuming Leave made themselves a laughing stock then?
If you really think that, then why are you defending the PM lowering himself to their level?
You've gone totally deaf on the EU referendum. You are far too emotionally and personally close to CCHQ to be objective on the matter.
Your only answers to criticisms are whataboutism and lookoverthere; you're not even thinking anymore.
If you don't see how the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom publicly implying in his major kick-off speech of the campaign that a vote for Brexit "risks war" is a problem, and grossly irresponsible, then this campaign is going to have far-reaching consequences, whatever the result, way way down the line.
My views haven't changed from this morning's thread.
All I'm pointing out is the hypocrisy of Leavers on here, when Leavers make the same argument for Leave as Dave has done, there's nothing but silence, but when Dave does it, he's a nutcase etc.
Perhaps you're similarly aghast to what Leaver Tory MP Julian Lewis has also said on that same front page?
David Cameron is our Prime Minister.
Seriously, TSE, you need to get in touch with your friends at Remain and tell them to get a grip.
They're in danger of making themselves a laughing stock.
The Armed Forces Minister (and Leaver) a few weeks ago made the opposite argument, that Remaining would lead to conflict/war.
I'm assuming Leave made themselves a laughing stock then?
If you really think that, then why are you defending the PM lowering himself to their level?
You've gone totally deaf on the EU referendum. You are far too emotionally and personally close to CCHQ to be objective on the matter.
Your only answers to criticisms are whataboutism and lookoverthere; you're not even thinking anymore.
If you don't see how the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom publicly implying in his major kick-off speech of the campaign that a vote for Brexit "risks war" is a problem, and grossly irresponsible, then this campaign is going to have far-reaching consequences, whatever the result, way way down the line.
Leaving the EU would not just lead to war but also genocide if Cameron is to be believed...
Perhaps you're similarly aghast to what Leaver Tory MP Julian Lewis has also said on that same front page?
When Cameron starts speaking just like Julian effing Lewis then I know that Cameron has lost it.
How about Penny Mordaunt?
Europe will only avoid ‘sleepwalking’ into a conflict between members states if Britain votes to leave, warns Armed Forces Minister
The EU can only be saved from sleepwalking into the ‘disaster’ of conflict between its member states by Britain voting to leave, the Armed Forces Minister warned last night.
In a dramatic intervention, Penny Mordaunt said the austerity programme required to keep the euro alive had created ‘tremendous potential for civil unrest’ across the continent.
In a dramatic intervention, Penny Mordaunt said the austerity programme required to keep the euro alive had created ‘tremendous potential for civil unrest’ across the continent.
So the Euro. Invention of the EU. Is the problem.
Got it.
And there has already been plenty of civil unrest - or have you forgotten the photos from Greece?
Perhaps you're similarly aghast to what Leaver Tory MP Julian Lewis has also said on that same front page?
David Cameron is our Prime Minister.
Seriously, TSE, you need to get in touch with your friends at Remain and tell them to get a grip.
They're in danger of making themselves a laughing stock.
The Armed Forces Minister (and Leaver) a few weeks ago made the opposite argument, that Remaining would lead to conflict/war.
I'm assuming Leave made themselves a laughing stock then?
If you really think that, then why are you defending the PM lowering himself to their level?
You've gone totally deaf on the EU referendum. You are far too emotionally and personally close to CCHQ to be objective on the matter.
Your only answers to criticisms are whataboutism and lookoverthere; you're not even thinking anymore.
If you don't see how the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom publicly implying in his major kick-off speech of the campaign that a vote for Brexit "risks war" is a problem, and grossly irresponsible, then this campaign is going to have far-reaching consequences, whatever the result, way way down the line.
A little while ago, Cameron was fine with Britain leaving the EU, and he "ruled nothing out" if the renegotiation failed.
If Europe was really at risk of attack from Russia then you would expect most European countries to actually comply with the NATO target of spending at least 2% of their GDP on defence. Very few European countries comply with the target therefore it is safe to assume the risk is minimal.
Go talk to the Balts. They are kaking themselves. For good reason.
David Cameron's warning seems fair enough. There's at least one aggressive militaristic leader who would be delighted to be able to foment disunity and take further military action if the opportunity presents itself.
Of course, if it happened, Leavers would deny any connection with their referendum-inspired isolationism.
Curiously enough, we managed to avoid WWIII as a member of NATO for almost 25 years prior to our membership of the EEC, and that was during the greatest flashpoint of the Cuban Missile Crisis where there over a million Soviet troops facing off against us in Eastern Europe.
I think we (and Europe) will be ok.
Why do you think that Vladimir Putin is keen on Britain leaving? He sees opportunities.
Vladimir Putin won't be around for ever.
He's an opportunistic thug, faced by a historically weak generation of compromised and pusillanimous Western leaders.
Perhaps you're similarly aghast to what Leaver Tory MP Julian Lewis has also said on that same front page?
David Cameron is our Prime Minister.
Seriously, TSE, you need to get in touch with your friends at Remain and tell them to get a grip.
They're in danger of making themselves a laughing stock.
The Armed Forces Minister (and Leaver) a few weeks ago made the opposite argument, that Remaining would lead to conflict/war.
I'm assuming Leave made themselves a laughing stock then?
If you really think that, then why are you defending the PM lowering himself to their level?
You've gone totally deaf on the EU referendum. You are far too emotionally and personally close to CCHQ to be objective on the matter.
Your only answers to criticisms are whataboutism and lookoverthere; you're not even thinking anymore.
If you don't see how the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom publicly implying in his major kick-off speech of the campaign that a vote for Brexit "risks war" is a problem, and grossly irresponsible, then this campaign is going to have far-reaching consequences, whatever the result, way way down the line.
Leaving the EU would not just lead to war but also genocide if Cameron is to be believed...
'time to end it all now'
All UK households to be issued with revolvers and bottles of whisky in event of Brexit
David Cameron's warning seems fair enough. There's at least one aggressive militaristic leader who would be delighted to be able to foment disunity and take further military action if the opportunity presents itself.
Of course, if it happened, Leavers would deny any connection with their referendum-inspired isolationism.
Curiously enough, we managed to avoid WWIII as a member of NATO for almost 25 years prior to our membership of the EEC, and that was during the greatest flashpoint of the Cuban Missile Crisis where there over a million Soviet troops facing off against us in Eastern Europe.
I think we (and Europe) will be ok.
Why do you think that Vladimir Putin is keen on Britain leaving? He sees opportunities.
Vladimir Putin won't be around for ever.
He's an opportunistic thug, faced by a historically weak generation of compromised and pusillanimous Western leaders.
Brexit is bigger than Putin.
So the correct action is to make the current generation of Western leaders weaker, more compromised and more pusillanimous? Really?
Perhaps you're similarly aghast to what Leaver Tory MP Julian Lewis has also said on that same front page?
David Cameron is our Prime Minister.
Seriously, TSE, you need to get in touch with your friends at Remain and tell them to get a grip.
They're in danger of making themselves a laughing stock.
The Armed Forces Minister (and Leaver) a few weeks ago made the opposite argument, that Remaining would lead to conflict/war.
I'm assuming Leave made themselves a laughing stock then?
If you really think that, then why are you defending the PM lowering himself to their level?
You've gone totally deaf on the EU referendum. You are far too emotionally and personally close to CCHQ to be objective on the matter.
Your only answers to criticisms are whataboutism and lookoverthere; you're not even thinking anymore.
If you don't see how the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom publicly implying in his major kick-off speech of the campaign that a vote for Brexit "risks war" is a problem, and grossly irresponsible, then this campaign is going to have far-reaching consequences, whatever the result, way way down the line.
My views haven't changed from this morning's thread.
All I'm pointing out is the hypocrisy of Leavers on here, when Leavers make the same argument for Leave as Dave has done, there's nothing but silence, but when Dave does it, he's a nutcase etc.
Except it wasn't the same point, That is just your own craven dishonesty. No one on the Leave side has claimed there will be genocide and world war if we remain.
You really have sunk to the sewer with your postings on the Brexit campaign lately. I had simply considered you a TPD. Now I think you are thoroughly dishonest as well. The hypocrisy is all on your side.
It's the telegraph. The chances of honesty or accuracy are limited.
More chance of accuracy and honesty from the Telegraph than there is from Cameron.
The telegraph, mail and times have made an issue of this before David Cameron has spoken but one thing it has done is to put the spotlight on him tomorrow and diminish Boris's big speech. We will see how this pans out
Perhaps you're similarly aghast to what Leaver Tory MP Julian Lewis has also said on that same front page?
David Cameron is our Prime Minister.
Seriously, TSE, you need to get in touch with your friends at Remain and tell them to get a grip.
They're in danger of making themselves a laughing stock.
The Armed Forces Minister (and Leaver) a few weeks ago made the opposite argument, that Remaining would lead to conflict/war.
I'm assuming Leave made themselves a laughing stock then?
If you really think that, then why are you defending the PM lowering himself to their level?
You've gone totally deaf on the EU referendum. You are far too emotionally and personally close to CCHQ to be objective on the matter.
Your only answers to criticisms are whataboutism and lookoverthere; you're not even thinking anymore.
If you don't see how the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom publicly implying in his major kick-off speech of the campaign that a vote for Brexit "risks war" is a problem, and grossly irresponsible, then this campaign is going to have far-reaching consequences, whatever the result, way way down the line.
Leaving the EU would not just lead to war but also genocide if Cameron is to be believed...
'time to end it all now'
All UK households to be issued with revolvers and bottles of whisky in event of Brexit
Perhaps you're similarly aghast to what Leaver Tory MP Julian Lewis has also said on that same front page?
David Cameron is our Prime Minister.
Seriously, TSE, you need to get in touch with your friends at Remain and tell them to get a grip.
They're in danger of making themselves a laughing stock.
The Armed Forces Minister (and Leaver) a few weeks ago made the opposite argument, that Remaining would lead to conflict/war.
I'm assuming Leave made themselves a laughing stock then?
If you really think that, then why are you defending the PM lowering himself to their level?
You've gone totally deaf on the EU referendum. You are far too emotionally and personally close to CCHQ to be objective on the matter.
Your only answers to criticisms are whataboutism and lookoverthere; you're not even thinking anymore.
If you don't see how the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom publicly implying in his major kick-off speech of the campaign that a vote for Brexit "risks war" is a problem, and grossly irresponsible, then this campaign is going to have far-reaching consequences, whatever the result, way way down the line.
My views haven't changed from this morning's thread.
All I'm pointing out is the hypocrisy of Leavers on here, when Leavers make the same argument for Leave as Dave has done, there's nothing but silence, but when Dave does it, he's a nutcase etc.
Except it wasn't the same point, That is just your own craven dishonesty. No one on the Leave side has claimed there will be genocide and world war if we remain.
You really have sunk to the sewer with your postings on the Brexit campaign lately. I had simply considered you a TPD. Now I think you are thoroughly dishonest as well. The hypocrisy is all on your side.
Perhaps you're similarly aghast to what Leaver Tory MP Julian Lewis has also said on that same front page?
David Cameron is our Prime Minister.
Seriously, TSE, you need to get in touch with your friends at Remain and tell them to get a grip.
They're in danger of making themselves a laughing stock.
The Armed Forces Minister (and Leaver) a few weeks ago made the opposite argument, that Remaining would lead to conflict/war.
I'm assuming Leave made themselves a laughing stock then?
If you really think that, then why are you defending the PM lowering himself to their level?
You've gone totally deaf on the EU referendum. You are far too emotionally and personally close to CCHQ to be objective on the matter.
Your only answers to criticisms are whataboutism and lookoverthere; you're not even thinking anymore.
If you don't see how the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom publicly implying in his major kick-off speech of the campaign that a vote for Brexit "risks war" is a problem, and grossly irresponsible, then this campaign is going to have far-reaching consequences, whatever the result, way way down the line.
My views haven't changed from this morning's thread.
All I'm pointing out is the hypocrisy of Leavers on here, when Leavers make the same argument for Leave as Dave has done, there's nothing but silence, but when Dave does it, he's a nutcase etc.
Except it wasn't the same point, That is just your own craven dishonesty. No one on the Leave side has claimed there will be genocide and world war if we remain.
You really have sunk to the sewer with your postings on the Brexit campaign lately. I had simply considered you a TPD. Now I think you are thoroughly dishonest as well. The hypocrisy is all on your side.
It's the telegraph. The chances of honesty or accuracy are limited.
More chance of accuracy and honesty from the Telegraph than there is from Cameron.
The telegraph, mail and times have made an issue of this before David Cameron has spoken but one thing it has done is to put the spotlight on him tomorrow and diminish Boris's big speech. We will see how this pans out
Throwing a dead war pig may distract from Boris, but it's lasting stupidity will be remembered.
Perhaps you're similarly aghast to what Leaver Tory MP Julian Lewis has also said on that same front page?
David Cameron is our Prime Minister.
Seriously, TSE, you need to get in touch with your friends at Remain and tell them to get a grip.
They're in danger of making themselves a laughing stock.
The Armed Forces Minister (and Leaver) a few weeks ago made the opposite argument, that Remaining would lead to conflict/war.
I'm assuming Leave made themselves a laughing stock then?
If you really think that, then why are you defending the PM lowering himself to their level?
You've gone totally deaf on the EU referendum. You are far too emotionally and personally close to CCHQ to be objective on the matter.
Your only answers to criticisms are whataboutism and lookoverthere; you're not even thinking anymore.
If you don't see how the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom publicly implying in his major kick-off speech of the campaign that a vote for Brexit "risks war" is a problem, and grossly irresponsible, then this campaign is going to have far-reaching consequences, whatever the result, way way down the line.
My views haven't changed from this morning's thread.
All I'm pointing out is the hypocrisy of Leavers on here, when Leavers make the same argument for Leave as Dave has done, there's nothing but silence, but when Dave does it, he's a nutcase etc.
Cameron's Prime Minister. His words carry more weight.
David Cameron's warning seems fair enough. There's at least one aggressive militaristic leader who would be delighted to be able to foment disunity and take further military action if the opportunity presents itself.
Of course, if it happened, Leavers would deny any connection with their referendum-inspired isolationism.
Curiously enough, we managed to avoid WWIII as a member of NATO for almost 25 years prior to our membership of the EEC, and that was during the greatest flashpoint of the Cuban Missile Crisis where there over a million Soviet troops facing off against us in Eastern Europe.
I think we (and Europe) will be ok.
Why do you think that Vladimir Putin is keen on Britain leaving? He sees opportunities.
Vladimir Putin won't be around for ever.
He's an opportunistic thug, faced by a historically weak generation of compromised and pusillanimous Western leaders.
Brexit is bigger than Putin.
So the correct action is to make the current generation of Western leaders weaker, more compromised and more pusillanimous? Really?
David Cameron's warning seems fair enough. There's at least one aggressive militaristic leader who would be delighted to be able to foment disunity and take further military action if the opportunity presents itself.
Of course, if it happened, Leavers would deny any connection with their referendum-inspired isolationism.
Curiously enough, we managed to avoid WWIII as a member of NATO for almost 25 years prior to our membership of the EEC, and that was during the greatest flashpoint of the Cuban Missile Crisis where there over a million Soviet troops facing off against us in Eastern Europe.
I think we (and Europe) will be ok.
Why do you think that Vladimir Putin is keen on Britain leaving? He sees opportunities.
Vladimir Putin won't be around for ever.
He's an opportunistic thug, faced by a historically weak generation of compromised and pusillanimous Western leaders.
Brexit is bigger than Putin.
So the correct action is to make the current generation of Western leaders weaker, more compromised and more pusillanimous? Really?
The correct action is to act on the will of the people, which is what will happen.
Does Putin scare you? The Remainiacs I know are all scared of something. Leavers seem far more hopeful. Presumably that is why the only justification most of the former can give for staying is Project Fear.
Perhaps you're similarly aghast to what Leaver Tory MP Julian Lewis has also said on that same front page?
David Cameron is our Prime Minister.
Seriously, TSE, you need to get in touch with your friends at Remain and tell them to get a grip.
They're in danger of making themselves a laughing stock.
The Armed Forces Minister (and Leaver) a few weeks ago made the opposite argument, that Remaining would lead to conflict/war.
I'm assuming Leave made themselves a laughing stock then?
If you really think that, then why are you defending the PM lowering himself to their level?
You've gone totally deaf on the EU referendum. You are far too emotionally and personally close to CCHQ to be objective on the matter.
Your only answers to criticisms are whataboutism and lookoverthere; you're not even thinking anymore.
If you don't see how the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom publicly implying in his major kick-off speech of the campaign that a vote for Brexit "risks war" is a problem, and grossly irresponsible, then this campaign is going to have far-reaching consequences, whatever the result, way way down the line.
My views haven't changed from this morning's thread.
All I'm pointing out is the hypocrisy of Leavers on here, when Leavers make the same argument for Leave as Dave has done, there's nothing but silence, but when Dave does it, he's a nutcase etc.
Except it wasn't the same point, That is just your own craven dishonesty. No one on the Leave side has claimed there will be genocide and world war if we remain.
You really have sunk to the sewer with your postings on the Brexit campaign lately. I had simply considered you a TPD. Now I think you are thoroughly dishonest as well. The hypocrisy is all on your side.
I so hope you're out campaigning for Remain.
Ah I see. You are drunk as well.
A typo on my part, but for the avoidance of doubt, I so hope you're campaigning for Leave.
David Cameron's warning seems fair enough. There's at least one aggressive militaristic leader who would be delighted to be able to foment disunity and take further military action if the opportunity presents itself.
Of course, if it happened, Leavers would deny any connection with their referendum-inspired isolationism.
Curiously enough, we managed to avoid WWIII as a member of NATO for almost 25 years prior to our membership of the EEC, and that was during the greatest flashpoint of the Cuban Missile Crisis where there over a million Soviet troops facing off against us in Eastern Europe.
I think we (and Europe) will be ok.
Why do you think that Vladimir Putin is keen on Britain leaving? He sees opportunities.
Vladimir Putin won't be around for ever.
He's an opportunistic thug, faced by a historically weak generation of compromised and pusillanimous Western leaders.
Brexit is bigger than Putin.
So the correct action is to make the current generation of Western leaders weaker, more compromised and more pusillanimous? Really?
There is an argument that Brexit would strengthen the EU as it would allow them to integrate unhindered by the UK who would oppose them at every stage.
Perhaps you're similarly aghast to what Leaver Tory MP Julian Lewis has also said on that same front page?
David Cameron is our Prime Minister.
Seriously, TSE, you need to get in touch with your friends at Remain and tell them to get a grip.
They're in danger of making themselves a laughing stock.
The Armed Forces Minister (and Leaver) a few weeks ago made the opposite argument, that Remaining would lead to conflict/war.
I'm assuming Leave made themselves a laughing stock then?
If you really think that, then why are you defending the PM lowering himself to their level?
You've gone totally deaf on the EU referendum. You are far too emotionally and personally close to CCHQ to be objective on the matter.
Your only answers to criticisms are whataboutism and lookoverthere; you're not even thinking anymore.
If you don't see how the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom publicly implying in his major kick-off speech of the campaign that a vote for Brexit "risks war" is a problem, and grossly irresponsible, then this campaign is going to have far-reaching consequences, whatever the result, way way down the line.
My views haven't changed from this morning's thread.
All I'm pointing out is the hypocrisy of Leavers on here, when Leavers make the same argument for Leave as Dave has done, there's nothing but silence, but when Dave does it, he's a nutcase etc.
Cameron's Prime Minister. His words carry more weight.
Quite so. And he's putting them at the centre of his keynote speech on day one of the primary campaign period.
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You will be £480 worse off unless you are registered to vote for Remain.That might work.
Cameron: leaving EU could bring war
Remaining is more likely too.
EU nationals cannot.
Seriously, TSE, you need to get in touch with your friends at Remain and tell them to get a grip.
They're in danger of making themselves a laughing stock.
We are not leaving NATO you know.
Cameron's opinion on this is ludicrous and it's already being ridiculed as ludicrous.
Europe will only avoid ‘sleepwalking’ into a conflict between members states if Britain votes to leave, warns Armed Forces Minister
The EU can only be saved from sleepwalking into the ‘disaster’ of conflict between its member states by Britain voting to leave, the Armed Forces Minister warned last night.
In a dramatic intervention, Penny Mordaunt said the austerity programme required to keep the euro alive had created ‘tremendous potential for civil unrest’ across the continent.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3564466/Europe-avoid-sleepwalking-conflict-members-states-Britain-votes-leave-warns-Armed-Forces-Minister.html
I'm assuming Leave made themselves a laughing stock then?
@JGForsyth
How little do we think of the rest of the EU, if we think that Brexit would lead to war on the continent?
Well, it's a view I suppose.
In a dramatic intervention, Penny Mordaunt said the austerity programme required to keep the euro alive had created ‘tremendous potential for civil unrest’ across the continent.
So the Euro. Invention of the EU. Is the problem.
Got it.
It doesn't mean you can't sell into those countries remaining in it, though. This phrase you use, 'lose access' is devoid of meaning.
I think we (and Europe) will be ok.
I guess if it did bring war, Obama would tell us we would be at the back of the queue for help from the US.
Good to see such hopeful positive campaigns from both sides.
Now we can all laugh at the PM instead, as he is the bigger joke.
Our resolve to face up to him, and our cooperation with our neighbours and near allies on the matter, is not going to be affected by Brexit.
https://twitter.com/suttonnick/status/729419919893344256
Some of those with the highest GDP per capita spend the least on defence.
Fact vs Prediction.
REMAIN vs LEAVE
Remain 42 (+1)
Leave 40 (-2)
You've gone totally deaf on the EU referendum. You are far too emotionally and personally close to CCHQ to be objective on the matter.
Your only answers to criticisms are whataboutism and lookoverthere; you're not even thinking anymore.
If you don't see how the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom publicly implying in his major kick-off speech of the campaign that a vote for Brexit "risks war" is a problem, and grossly irresponsible, then this campaign is going to have far-reaching consequences, whatever the result, way way down the line.
And then they suggest that this is beyond doubt. Remarkable.
"Cameron: If we leave the EU we will have galactic STAR WARS."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXDnFYu91vY
All I'm pointing out is the hypocrisy of Leavers on here, when Leavers make the same argument for Leave as Dave has done, there's nothing but silence, but when Dave does it, he's a nutcase etc.
This is straight out of Andrew Cooper's playbook: the only criticism he would allow of the Scottish campaign is that there was not enough negativity.
Looks like he's gone for the full hog roast here, with extra helpings.
Actually, no. I can't think of a metaphor for this. It's just off the scale.
A little while ago, Cameron was fine with Britain leaving the EU, and he "ruled nothing out" if the renegotiation failed.
Now apparently Leave means Armageddon.
"FFS" is an expression one could respond with.
He's an opportunistic thug, faced by a historically weak generation of compromised and pusillanimous Western leaders.
Brexit is bigger than Putin.
Believe in BRITAIN!
Be LEAVE!
All UK households to be issued with revolvers and bottles of whisky in event of Brexit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dW6SkvErFEE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Uu3kCEEc98
You really have sunk to the sewer with your postings on the Brexit campaign lately. I had simply considered you a TPD. Now I think you are thoroughly dishonest as well. The hypocrisy is all on your side.
(munches popcorn!)
Does Putin scare you? The Remainiacs I know are all scared of something. Leavers seem far more hopeful. Presumably that is why the only justification most of the former can give for staying is Project Fear.
Perhaps there will be the death of all the first born in the event of Brexit?
Grossly irresponsible.