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  • BannedInParisBannedInParis Posts: 2,191

    Where is Guido getting all this info from..he seems to have better resoures than some main line newspapers..

    It's just the internet, a list of councillors and plenty of time.

    As put somewhere else

    "It'll be impossible for Labour HQ to keep a lid on all social media Naz Shah-style emoting from the usual suspects. This is the Tories new Liam Byrne note, except multiplied by hundreds, if not thousands. They are so f*cked."

    They have two choices - absolute zero-tolerance on this or own it. Pretending it's not going on or limp wristed what-aboutery will just dig an ever deeper hole.

    "When the fire is returned, it's either untrue, a smear, or they claim what about Mr X in the 1960s.... therefore it's alright."

    Ah.

    This will not end well.
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    Sighs

    Hohoho
    @GuidoFawkes Sad to think Guido's team have been racially profiling their targets for 3 solid weeks now
  • justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527

    As an aside, re historic local election results, it's been mentioned that 1982 is the last time an opposition lost seats in a non-GE year. What's been passed over is tat the Tories lost seats that year too (if not as many). 1982 was not only the time of the Falklands but also of the high point f the SDP-Liberal Alliance and it was they who 'won' the elections in terms of gains.

    There isn't an example of the governing party making gains *and* the main opposition party suffering losses in a non-GE year since before the major local government restructuring of the early 1970s.

    Plenty of examples from prior to that date though!
  • Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,069
    DavidL said:

    Anyway I hope Spurs win tonight. Leicester deserve to win the league, not have it handed to them by default.

    Well said. COYS!

    I've started laying Sadiq just to have some skin in. Don't expect it to come in mind.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,577
    They just keep coming. Shami has her work cut out.
  • BannedInParisBannedInParis Posts: 2,191
    "[He] did not write any anti-Semitic tracts, [he] just clicked share“

    Real words from a Labour MP there.
  • mattmatt Posts: 3,789

    It's just the internet, a list of councillors and plenty of time.

    As put somewhere else

    "It'll be impossible for Labour HQ to keep a lid on all social media Naz Shah-style emoting from the usual suspects. This is the Tories new Liam Byrne note, except multiplied by hundreds, if not thousands. They are so f*cked."

    They have two choices - absolute zero-tolerance on this or own it. Pretending it's not going on or limp wristed what-aboutery will just dig an ever deeper hole.

    "When the fire is returned, it's either untrue, a smear, or they claim what about Mr X in the 1960s.... therefore it's alright."

    Ah.

    This will not end well.
    What I find genuinely interesting about this is that we have heard complaints for a long time about the professionalisation of politics. This all shows that we're a long way from professional. Professionals would have not revealed their views, certainly when reduced to writing, or at least been more nuanced in their approach. You had to wait for memoirs, or a PRO release for honesty. Now its realtime.
  • BannedInParisBannedInParis Posts: 2,191
    Twitter makes amateurs of us all.
  • PolruanPolruan Posts: 2,083

    Why do apologists for the Racists in the Labour Party hark back to the 70s..when we are all discussing very recent events..such as two Labour Poilticians being suspended within the last week..for blatant Racism..

    I think they're just trying not to embarrass Aidan Burley. Still, good that that matter was dealt with by a swift expulsion from the party, eh?
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822

    Twitter makes amateurs of us all.

    Labour HQ waiting for the shoe shop to drop?
  • BannedInParisBannedInParis Posts: 2,191
    matt said:

    What I find genuinely interesting about this is that we have heard complaints for a long time about the professionalisation of politics. This all shows that we're a long way from professional. Professionals would have not revealed their views, certainly when reduced to writing, or at least been more nuanced in their approach. You had to wait for memoirs, or a PRO release for honesty. Now its realtime.
    The complaints about the professionalisation of politics are thinly veiled digs at Oxbridge educated, PPE graduates. Not too many of them being dug up by Guido, are there?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,577
    NEW THREAD
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,307
    Guido claiming Labour have suspended the Blackburn councillor.
  • justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527

    It was Callaghan in 1978 - Wilson resigned in '76!
    I think it came into being in 1978 but the decision to establish it was taken a few years earlier when Michael Foot was Employment Secretary in Harold Wilson's Cabinet.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,483

    @roger

    I do wonder whether anti-semitism swung enough votes away from Labour to make the difference required for a Tory majority last year. It is hard to differentiate antisemitism from Eds genuine crapness though.

    Mainly Ed's crapness but it might have lost one or two votes to UKIP or the Tories who knows?

    There are many on here though who wouldn't understand anti semitism if it bit them on the backside. They are either jumping on a pretty unattractive right wing band wagon or they are enjoying the rare feeling of being on the right side of racism.


    I thought this an interesting observation from Nick Cohen yesterday. I didn't agree with most of his article because as a strong Zionist he sees offense where others of us wouldn't and I believe in his case the sentiment is sincere. But spot PBers in his opening paragraph;

    "Racism is not a specific illness but a general sickness. Display one symptom and you display them all. If you show me an anti-Muslim bigot, I will be able to guess his or her views on the European Union, welfare state, crime and “political correctness”. Show me a leftwing or Islamist antisemite and, once again, he will carry a suitcase full of prejudices, which have nothing to do with Jews, but somehow have everything to do with Jews".
  • justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527

    I got £100 off Bill 'Ill last year by predicting a Tory majority. Let's see how the land lies on Friday.

    That still will not tell us much about 2020.
  • justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527

  • ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133
    Roger said:

    Mainly Ed's crapness but it might have lost one or two votes to UKIP or the Tories who knows?

    There are many on here though who wouldn't understand anti semitism if it bit them on the backside. They are either jumping on a pretty unattractive right wing band wagon or they are enjoying the rare feeling of being on the right side of racism.


    I thought this an interesting observation from Nick Cohen yesterday. I didn't agree with most of his article because as a strong Zionist he sees offense where others of us wouldn't and I believe in his case the sentiment is sincere. But spot PBers in his opening paragraph;

    "Racism is not a specific illness but a general sickness. Display one symptom and you display them all. If you show me an anti-Muslim bigot, I will be able to guess his or her views on the European Union, welfare state, crime and “political correctness”. Show me a leftwing or Islamist antisemite and, once again, he will carry a suitcase full of prejudices, which have nothing to do with Jews, but somehow have everything to do with Jews".
    Yes, I noticed how he cunningly implied all Leavers are racists. I'm not surprised you agree with that nonsense.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,607
    Roger said:

    They are either jumping on a pretty unattractive right wing band wagon or they are enjoying the rare feeling of being on the right side of racism.
    .
    Incredible that so many Labour MPs are actually right wingers or usually are racist, given they are 'jumping' on this.
  • Roger said:

    You only have to read PB to know the accuracy of what I've just said. Dixie yesterday talked about inviting 'communities' to the House "never the The English". Try using Cyclefree's test down thread adding 'Jewish' to 'communities'

    Or 'Tory' Lewis Duckworth who is worth quoting in full "Well, most (Jews) have been here longer than other minorities, and, in contrast to muslims, they all speak English, don't have their womenfolk kitted out in bin-liners, don't send recruits to Syria, and don't require 24/7 surveillance by our security services.

    This casual racism is endemic on here for no other reason than it's populated by Tories and Ukipers. Labour supporters have been standing up for minorities against the 'Dixies' and the 'Lewis Duckworths' for years.
    Do you mean "casual" in the sense of not-like-Hitler-after-1932? You see, I must explain Mr Roger, that unlike quite a few-tweeting-Labour-councillors I don't regard Hitler as a hero or the holocaust as a good thing.
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    Guido
    @MrHarryCole We are breaking for lunch.
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    PPP
    Ohio GE:

    Trump 42
    Clinton 45 (+3)

    Trump 41
    Sanders 45 (+4)

    Cruz 35
    Clinton/Sanders 44 (+9)

    @ppppolls

    FYI: Obama won Ohio in '12 by 3%
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    And once the digging begins

    Ben
    In 2006, Salim Mulla gave a character reference in court for a paedophile.
    https://t.co/k6AyJvoILV https://t.co/Ow8JwUu5to
  • AlasdairAlasdair Posts: 72

    It was Callaghan in 1978 - Wilson resigned in '76!
    Yes, I remember it well. The sense of surprise at Wilson resigning.

    I too remember Wilson getting blamed for all the changes to bank holiday dates. Perhaps it is because he started the process in 1965 by moving the August bank hoilday from the beginning to the end of August. Maybe Heath only completed a work already in progress at the 1970 dissolution.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,107

    Heroic rant from David Torrance:

    Scottish nationalists, Brexiteers and Corbynistas have much in common, all utterly certain of what’s - and who’s - wrong but utterly vacuous when challenged to produce a coherent alternative. But like any party or movement that begins with a conclusion (independence/Brexit/socialism) and then works backwards, intellectual contortions are inevitable.

    Their respective supporters don’t much care, too busy seeing what what they want to see, hearing what they want to hear, hypercritical of their opponents but strangely forgiving of their own tribe’s frequent lapses and lack of detail.


    http://www.heraldscotland.com/opinion/14464869.David_Torrance__Scottish_nationalists_and_Brexiteers_have_much_in_common__Both_are_utterly_vacuous/?ref=twtrec

    Torrance is one of the biggest balloons in the media, a useless moronic no mark.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,575

    I propose that all Bank Holidays should be secular. And warm and sunny.
    Impossible. Where would you find seven days that are warm and sunny? In Scotland it would be even harder.

    If you want constant sunshine move to the Med.
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