The current furore is not really about anti-Semitism, which is being deliberately conflated with anti-Zionism by both Zionists and anti-Semites. It is, as a leading union leader Len McCluskey has clearly stated, a deliberate attempt by Jeremy Corbyn's opponents within Labour to undermine his leadership and a cynical attempt to manipulate anti-Semitism for political aims. In essence it is a Blairite conspiracy - one of the leading protagonists is Lord Levy, close friend and confidant of the former PM.
That a lot of hand waving and attempting to obscure the issues. There are only two issues that have any relevance here.
1) Did they say or write what is reported 2) Are those sort of views acceptable for elected politicians to hold in today's UK
As for the conspiracy ? I think you need a new tiny foil hat tbh, but even if it was true, if they hadn't said and written those things, there would be no case to answer, no scandal, and no crisis.
The answer to both questions is YES. This is a manufactured crisis by Blairites/Zionists who regard views other than their own as unacceptable.
Those antisemitic views are disgusting and unacceptable.
I am neither a Blairite nor a zionist.
I don't support the views of Ken Livingstone or Naz Shah either, but they have a right to express such views and it is self-defeating, particularly for a widely hated minority, to take umbrage at them.
So Jews are a widely-hated minority, are they? And it is self-defeating of them to take umbrage at those who hate them?
I see.
Substitute "Muslims" in your formulation. Then perhaps you may be able to see how loathsome your statement sounds.
If once is disliked, particularly if in a minority, it is generally better to keep a low profile and not "up the ante". If the atmosphere becomes excessively unpleasant and intolerable, it is generally best to leave and not make a fuss.
The whole affair is politicking at its worst, particularly when there a set of elections on May 5th. Its timing seems to have been deliberately planned to take the heat off Camborne and direct it at Corbyn.
So Jews should either shut up or leave? Anything else is a zionist Blairite conspiracy?
Mr. Daodao, you appear to be blaming victims of bigotry rather than the perpetrators.
I am not blaming anyone, but just trying to put things into perspective and pointing out that minorities have to recognise the power of the majority.
However, there does seem to be an excessive loathing of Corbyn, and support for those who have a downer on him, on this forum. He is an old man, and not especially bright, and will be off the scene sooner rather than later in the natural course of events.
The current furore is not really about anti-Semitism, which is being deliberately conflated with anti-Zionism by both Zionists and anti-Semites. It is, as a leading union leader Len McCluskey has clearly stated, a deliberate attempt by Jeremy Corbyn's opponents within Labour to undermine his leadership and a cynical attempt to manipulate anti-Semitism for political aims. In essence it is a Blairite conspiracy - one of the leading protagonists is Lord Levy, close friend and confidant of the former PM.
That a lot of hand waving and attempting to obscure the issues. There are only two issues that have any relevance here.
1) Did they say or write what is reported 2) Are those sort of views acceptable for elected politicians to hold in today's UK
As for the conspiracy ? I think you need a new tiny foil hat tbh, but even if it was true, if they hadn't said and written those things, there would be no case to answer, no scandal, and no crisis.
The answer to both questions is YES. This is a manufactured crisis by Blairites/Zionists who regard views other than their own as unacceptable.
Those antisemitic views are disgusting and unacceptable.
I am neither a Blairite nor a zionist.
I don't support the views of Ken Livingstone or Naz Shah either, but they have a right to express such views and it is self-defeating, particularly for a widely hated minority, to take umbrage at them.
So Jews are a widely-hated minority, are they? And it is self-defeating of them to take umbrage at those who hate them?
I see.
Substitute "Muslims" in your formulation. Then perhaps you may be able to see how loathsome your statement sounds.
If once is disliked, particularly if in a minority, it is generally better to keep a low profile and not "up the ante". If the atmosphere becomes excessively unpleasant and intolerable, it is generally best to leave and not make a fuss.
The whole affair is politicking at its worst, particularly when there a set of elections on May 5th. Its timing seems to have been deliberately planned to take the heat off Camborne and direct it at Corbyn.
So Jews should either shut up or leave? Anything else is a zionist Blairite conspiracy?
You're vile.
"Its timing seems to have been deliberately planned"
Eh?
Nobody but Ken planned for him to suddenly appear on TV professing to be a leading expert on Nazi policy in 1932. And then proceed to spend four days holding a position that was clearly historically wrong.
The current furore is not really about anti-Semitism, which is being deliberately conflated with anti-Zionism by both Zionists and anti-Semites. It is, as a leading union leader Len McCluskey has clearly stated, a deliberate attempt by Jeremy Corbyn's opponents within Labour to undermine his leadership and a cynical attempt to manipulate anti-Semitism for political aims. In essence it is a Blairite conspiracy - one of the leading protagonists is Lord Levy, close friend and confidant of the former PM.
That a lot of hand waving and attempting to obscure the issues. There are only two issues that have any relevance here.
1) Did they say or write what is reported 2) Are those sort of views acceptable for elected politicians to hold in today's UK
As for the conspiracy ? I think you need a new tiny foil hat tbh, but even if it was true, if they hadn't said and written those things, there would be no case to answer, no scandal, and no crisis.
The answer to both questions is YES. This is a manufactured crisis by Blairites/Zionists who regard views other than their own as unacceptable.
Those antisemitic views are disgusting and unacceptable.
I am neither a Blairite nor a zionist.
I don't support the views of Ken Livingstone or Naz Shah either, but they have a right to express such views and it is self-defeating, particularly for a widely hated minority, to take umbrage at them.
So Jews are a widely-hated minority, are they? And it is self-defeating of them to take umbrage at those who hate them?
I see.
Substitute "Muslims" in your formulation. Then perhaps you may be able to see how loathsome your statement sounds.
If once is disliked, particularly if in a minority, it is generally better to keep a low profile and not "up the ante". If the atmosphere becomes excessively unpleasant and intolerable, it is generally best to leave and not make a fuss.
The whole affair is politicking at its worst, particularly when there a set of elections on May 5th. Its timing seems to have been deliberately planned to take the heat off Camborne and direct it at Corbyn.
'Using the average of the latest opinion poll results, including the Opinium/Observer poll carried out after the antisemitism row last week, Steve Fisher, of Oxford University, one of the country’s leading elections experts, predicts that Labour could be on course for losses of 175 local council seats, while the Conservatives could gain 30.
On the national equivalent vote share, which tends to be a good predictor of subsequent general elections, Labour looks likely to be one percentage point behind the Conservatives'
However Liz Kendall reckons we should make 400 gains. No agenda there Liz.
Those antisemitic views are disgusting and unacceptable.
I am neither a Blairite nor a zionist.
I don't support the views of Ken Livingstone or Naz Shah either, but they have a right to express such views and it is self-defeating, particularly for a widely hated minority, to take umbrage at them.
I'm assuming that your 'widely hated minority' is Blairites but you really ought to consider other possible interpretations, particularly given the context.
Of course people should have the right to express unpleasant and racist views. It's an important part of democracy that extremists should be able to peddle their filth: they serve as a useful safety valve, warning sign and it's a lot easier for the security services to keep tabs as necessary if they're organised publicly.
The question is whether such views are compatible with a mainstream party.
Another question: should "mainstream" parties seek the votes of those who hold such views?
Well they can. But the risk is that to do so they adopt those views and so become as extreme and racist as the voters they are seeking to get onside. IMO that is what happening to Labour - and not just on the anti-Semitism question.
Or they can try to remain true to their principles and seek to challenge and educate their voters and make clear what is/is not generally accepted in the political culture: a process of political integration, if you will.
Labour has chosen not to do the latter and is now in danger of turning itself into a combination of Respect/SWP with a bit of BNP icing on top courtesy of Ken. If it carries on like this it won't remain a mainstream party forever.
When Enoch Powell made his infamous speech back in the day he was sacked and despite his poularity (the dockers marching under banners saying "Enoch is right") the Tories turned away from his views and those of the voters who felt like him.
There is nothing wrong with courting the votes of those who are Muslim. There is everything wrong with doing so in such a way that you import, give expression to and support a political culture and views which are antithetical to the principles you claim to espouse and the values of the society you live in. In doing so you degrade your own claims to morality and decency and the political culture of this country.
'(Len) McCluskey predicted the party would lose seats in Scotland and Wales but said that such results should not spark any moves from within the party against Corbyn.'
Good morning all. Typical Bank Holiday weather down in London. Cloud covered sky. Morose, if weather can be called morose, and threatening rain.
So it's a cuppa for me and back to bed in a jiffy.
My mother is a true Tory. She still rails against Harold Wilson for making May day a bank holiday.
If I became PM the first thing I would do is scrap this Bank Holiday and add one in the first Monday in July.
Perhaps late June would be better, on the 4th Friday to make a long weekend?
We could initiate it this year and call it "European Unity Day"
April 23rd I think you mean. Call it the Emily Thornbury Appreciation Day
St George is patron saint of several European countries including Malta and Romania, so a very good suggestion as patron saint of European Unity.
The practical issue is that too many bank holidays are close together on spring Mondays.
We should abolish Easter.
We should abolish Easter bank holidays. Depriving the Christian church of its biggest festival seems unnecessary interference. It'd have the beneficial side-effect of being able to standardise school terms.
The current furore is not really about anti-Semitism, which is being deliberately conflated with anti-Zionism by both Zionists and anti-Semites. It is, as a leading union leader Len McCluskey has clearly stated, a deliberate attempt by Jeremy Corbyn's opponents within Labour to undermine his leadership and a cynical attempt to manipulate anti-Semitism for political aims. In essence it is a Blairite conspiracy - one of the leading protagonists is Lord Levy, close friend and confidant of the former PM.
That a lot of hand waving and attempting to obscure the issues. There are only two issues that have any relevance here.
1) Did they say or write what is reported 2) Are those sort of views acceptable for elected politicians to hold in today's UK
As for the conspiracy ? I think you need a new tiny foil hat tbh, but even if it was true, if they hadn't said and written those things, there would be no case to answer, no scandal, and no crisis.
The answer to both questions is YES. This is a manufactured crisis by Blairites/Zionists who regard views other than their own as unacceptable.
Those antisemitic views are disgusting and unacceptable.
I am neither a Blairite nor a zionist.
I don't support the views of Ken Livingstone or Naz Shah either, but they have a right to express such views and it is self-defeating, particularly for a widely hated minority, to take umbrage at them.
The current furore is not really about anti-Semitism, which is being deliberately conflated with anti-Zionism by both Zionists and anti-Semites. It is, as a leading union leader Len McCluskey has clearly stated, a deliberate attempt by Jeremy Corbyn's opponents within Labour to undermine his leadership and a cynical attempt to manipulate anti-Semitism for political aims. In essence it is a Blairite conspiracy - one of the leading protagonists is Lord Levy, close friend and confidant of the former PM.
That a lot of hand waving and attempting to obscure the issues. There are only two issues that have any relevance here.
1) Did they say or write what is reported 2) Are those sort of views acceptable for elected politicians to hold in today's UK
As for the conspiracy ? I think you need a new tiny foil hat tbh, but even if it was true, if they hadn't said and written those things, there would be no case to answer, no scandal, and no crisis.
The answer to both questions is YES. This is a manufactured crisis by Blairites/Zionists who regard views other than their own as unacceptable.
Those antisemitic views are disgusting and unacceptable.
I am neither a Blairite nor a zionist.
I don't support the views of Ken Livingstone or Naz Shah either, but they have a right to express such views and it is self-defeating, particularly for a widely hated minority, to take umbrage at them.
So Jews are a widely-hated minority, are they? And it is self-defeating of them to take umbrage at those who hate them?
I see.
Substitute "Muslims" in your formulation. Then perhaps you may be able to see how loathsome your statement sounds.
If once is disliked, particularly if in a minority, it is generally better to keep a low profile and not "up the ante". If the atmosphere becomes excessively unpleasant and intolerable, it is generally best to leave and not make a fuss.
The whole affair is politicking at its worst, particularly when there a set of elections on May 5th. Its timing seems to have been deliberately planned to take the heat off Camborne and direct it at Corbyn.
However Liz Kendall reckons we should make 400 gains. No agenda there Liz.
You should make 400 gains with the Tories busy knifing each other as publically as possible. You won't because your party is lead by a pointless tit in a beard, and it's entire media management operation appears to have had a collecting nervous breakdown thus leaving Ken to give unique and interesting interviews for most of the past week.
In 1961, about forty years before you were born, the Russians built a wall across Berlin. Their stated aim was to stop all the Western fascists who wanted to leave and embrace life in the Soviet paradise - the holiday destination of a young Jezza and Diane. Shouldn't these Russians have opened their borders to welcome all these refugees - a hated minority?
Hmm ... I've just confused myself now. I salute your indefatigability in keeping these opinions.
The current furore is not really about anti-Semitism, which is being deliberately conflated with anti-Zionism by both Zionists and anti-Semites. It is, as a leading union leader Len McCluskey has clearly stated, a deliberate attempt by Jeremy Corbyn's opponents within Labour to undermine his leadership and a cynical attempt to manipulate anti-Semitism for political aims. In essence it is a Blairite conspiracy - one of the leading protagonists is Lord Levy, close friend and confidant of the former PM.
That a lot of hand waving and attempting to obscure the issues. There are only two issues that have any relevance here.
1) Did they say or write what is reported 2) Are those sort of views acceptable for elected politicians to hold in today's UK
As for the conspiracy ? I think you need a new tiny foil hat tbh, but even if it was true, if they hadn't said and written those things, there would be no case to answer, no scandal, and no crisis.
I don't support the views of Ken Livingstone or Naz Shah either, but they have a right to express such views and it is self-defeating, particularly for a widely hated minority, to take umbrage at them.
So Jews are a widely-hated minority, are they? And it is self-defeating of them to take umbrage at those who hate them?
I see.
Substitute "Muslims" in your formulation. Then perhaps you may be able to see how loathsome your statement sounds.
If once is disliked, particularly if in a minority, it is generally better to keep a low profile and not "up the ante". If the atmosphere becomes excessively unpleasant and intolerable, it is generally best to leave and not make a fuss.
The whole affair is politicking at its worst, particularly when there a set of elections on May 5th. Its timing seems to have been deliberately planned to take the heat off Camborne and direct it at Corbyn.
So Jews should either shut up or leave? Anything else is a zionist Blairite conspiracy?
You're vile.
"Its timing seems to have been deliberately planned"
Eh?
Nobody but Ken planned for him to suddenly appear on TV professing to be a leading expert on Nazi policy in 1932. And then proceed to spend four days holding a position that was clearly historically wrong.
It has added greatly to the gaiety of the nation and kept the Wiki editors of the Haavara pages very busy! I've been amazed at how many experts there are on Twitter about this all of a sudden.
The Daily Mail article would not have lost any votes. Mental lefties would not read The Mail, and were already going to vote Labour. It's a good article.
I'd abolish one of the May Bank holidays and replace it with a Waterloo Day on June the 18th.
Would be a tribute to our defeat of the French, it would also be a tribute to European Unity, it would also double as a tribute to ABBA as only songs by them would be allowed to be played on Waterloo day.
It has added greatly to the gaiety of the nation and kept the Wiki editors of the Haavara pages very busy! I've been amazed at how many experts there are on Twitter about this all of a sudden.
On a more serious note, that's entirely unnecessary. Simply have a week off in the first week in April. If they doesn't include Easter, have bank holidays for the Friday and Monday.
They do something similar in Leeds (unsure if it's precisely that model or slightly different).
Mr. Daodao, I must say I think that's a reprehensible perspective.
'Using the average of the latest opinion poll results, including the Opinium/Observer poll carried out after the antisemitism row last week, Steve Fisher, of Oxford University, one of the country’s leading elections experts, predicts that Labour could be on course for losses of 175 local council seats, while the Conservatives could gain 30.
On the national equivalent vote share, which tends to be a good predictor of subsequent general elections, Labour looks likely to be one percentage point behind the Conservatives'
However Liz Kendall reckons we should make 400 gains. No agenda there Liz.
I'm sure that Corbyn's opponents have seen this as an opportunity to damage him. But, no one forced Naz Shah, Ken Livingstone et al to make the comments they did.
I'd abolish one of the May Bank holidays and replace it with a Waterloo Day on June the 18th.
Would be a tribute to our defeat over the French, it would also be a tribute to European Unity, it would also double as a tribute to ABBA as only songs by them would be allowed to be played on Waterloo day.
The Daily Mail article would not have lost any votes. Mental lefties would not read The Mail, and were already going to vote Labour. It's a good article.
If once is disliked, particularly if in a minority, it is generally better to keep a low profile and not "up the ante". If the atmosphere becomes excessively unpleasant and intolerable, it is generally best to leave and not make a fuss.
WRT London Mayor and Boris specifically.. he was great because he defeated the utterly loathsome Ken Livingstone, Boris was the man for the moment. As far as any other career moves are concerned, I think that's hit the buffers head on.
Clearly Ken has stuff and needs help. Labour shouldn't let him back in until they are satisfied he has got professional help. For our part, we should not forget that he beat the Party system in the first Mayoral election, which no one else has come close to doing.
May I assume that Peebies generally think that JC has handled the issue well, given that all the bile has been directed at Ken (who has deserved all he's got)?
You may not assume this - at least not as far as this PB is concerned. JC is part of the problem. There is barely a cigarette paper between his views and those of Livingstone and Shah. JC is not the solution and I have zero confidence that under his leadership Labour will drag itself away from the filth where it currently wallows while spitting deluded conspiracy bile at anyone pointing out the mess it is in.
Being a bit far from the action I have yet to form a view as to weather Corbyn is simply a ineffective old fool with his mind set in the 1970's who though inaction and wanting to hear everyone views and tackle everything in a "workshop mode"* which allows dubious characters like McDonnell to flourish under his negligent watch. Or if there is a malign intelligence at work such that he is himself promoting and succoring unsavoury views.
*See Alexi Sayle on "workshop" www.youtube.com/watch?v=icMP4AlB61I
I don't give him the benefit of the doubt. He has been actively promoting and succouring unpleasant and vile people and organisations all his life. This is not something he fell into in his dotage. And by all accounts he has been a good constituency MP. So at some level he is effective. He believes this stuff and he knows what he is doing.
We should not confuse his ineffectiveness as a traditional leader of the opposition with him not really believing or supporting any of this. He is malign. Not simply foolish. IMO.
The Daily Mail article would not have lost any votes. Mental lefties would not read The Mail, and were already going to vote Labour. It's a good article.
All SJWs read The Daily Mail, otherwise how would they know what to be outraged about ?
The current furore is not really about anti-Semitism, which is being deliberately conflated with anti-Zionism by both Zionists and anti-Semites. It is, as a leading union leader Len McCluskey has clearly stated, a deliberate attempt by Jeremy Corbyn's opponents within Labour to undermine his leadership and a cynical attempt to manipulate anti-Semitism for political aims. In essence it is a Blairite conspiracy - one of the leading protagonists is Lord Levy, close friend and confidant of the former PM.
That a lot of hand waving and attempting to obscure the issues. There are only two issues that have any relevance here.
1) Did they say or write what is reported 2) Are those sort of views acceptable for elected politicians to hold in today's UK
As for the conspiracy ? I think you need a new tiny foil hat tbh, but even if it was true, if they hadn't said and written those things, there would be no case to answer, no scandal, and no crisis.
The answer to both questions is YES. This is a manufactured crisis by Blairites/Zionists who regard views other than their own as unacceptable.
Those antisemitic views are disgusting and unacceptable.
I am neither a Blairite nor a zionist.
I don't support the views of Ken Livingstone or Naz Shah either, but they have a right to express such views and it is self-defeating, particularly for a widely hated minority, to take umbrage at them.
So Jews are a widely-hated minority, are they? And it is self-defeating of them to take umbrage at those who hate them?
I see.
Substitute "Muslims" in your formulation. Then perhaps you may be able to see how loathsome your statement sounds.
If once is disliked, particularly if in a minority, it is generally better to keep a low profile and not "up the ante". If the atmosphere becomes excessively unpleasant and intolerable, it is generally best to leave and not make a fuss.
The whole affair is politicking at its worst, particularly when there a set of elections on May 5th. Its timing seems to have been deliberately planned to take the heat off Camborne and direct it at Corbyn.
However Liz Kendall reckons we should make 400 gains. No agenda there Liz.
You should make 400 gains with the Tories busy knifing each other as publically as possible. You won't because your party is lead by a pointless tit in a beard, and it's entire media management operation appears to have had a collecting nervous breakdown thus leaving Ken to give unique and interesting interviews for most of the past week.
Thanks for your concern!
Perhaps the correct thing to say is that we would need to be making around 400 gains to be on track to win a majority in 2020. But then who really thinks we'll do that?
I'd abolish one of the May Bank holidays and replace it with a Waterloo Day on June the 18th.
Would be a tribute to our defeat over the French, it would also be a tribute to European Unity, it would also double as a tribute to ABBA as only songs by them would be allowed to be played on Waterloo day.
I'd abolish one of the May Bank holidays and replace it with a Waterloo Day on June the 18th.
Would be a tribute to our victory over the French, it would also be a tribute to European Unity, it would also double as a tribute to ABBA as only songs by them would be allowed to be played on Waterloo day.
What's not to love ?
If Leave win we should make it 23rd June - Independence Day or Freedom Day
"Its timing seems to have been deliberately planned"
Eh?
Nobody but Ken planned for him to suddenly appear on TV professing to be a leading expert on Nazi policy in 1932. And then proceed to spend four days holding a position that was clearly historically wrong.
I return to my original post where I quoted the leading union leader Len McCluskey, who stated that the affair is a deliberate attempt by Jeremy Corbyn's opponents within Labour to undermine his leadership and a cynical attempt to manipulate anti-Semitism for political aims.
There is hatred by some in the Labour party for the current leadership, but it was democratically elected less than a year ago and it is wrong for Labour party members to attempt to undermine it.
I do agree that Ken L, who has long been known to hold Anti-Zionist views, has poured fuel on the fire. He tried to use the limited co-operation between Zionists and the German government in the 1930s to support his position, an episode (like the Kastner affair) that the Zionists would prefer people to forget, but did not get his facts exactly right.
However Liz Kendall reckons we should make 400 gains. No agenda there Liz.
You should make 400 gains with the Tories busy knifing each other as publically as possible. You won't because your party is lead by a pointless tit in a beard, and it's entire media management operation appears to have had a collecting nervous breakdown thus leaving Ken to give unique and interesting interviews for most of the past week.
I think the biggest problem for Labour's media team is that Seumas, Corbyn and Ken really can't see what the fuss is all about. Everyone they know agrees with them. How can you tackle a firestorm when you're keen on arson?
As an aside, re historic local election results, it's been mentioned that 1982 is the last time an opposition lost seats in a non-GE year. What's been passed over is tat the Tories lost seats that year too (if not as many). 1982 was not only the time of the Falklands but also of the high point f the SDP-Liberal Alliance and it was they who 'won' the elections in terms of gains.
There isn't an example of the governing party making gains *and* the main opposition party suffering losses in a non-GE year since before the major local government restructuring of the early 1970s.
I'd abolish one of the May Bank holidays and replace it with a Waterloo Day on June the 18th.
Would be a tribute to our victory over the French, it would also be a tribute to European Unity, it would also double as a tribute to ABBA as only songs by them would be allowed to be played on Waterloo day.
What's not to love ?
If Leave win we should make it 23rd June - Independence Day or Freedom Day
I don't think that there is any doubt that the influence of the press is not what it was. Their biggest influence these days is that they set the agenda and content of so much of the 24 hour news programs but they of course report what the press are speaking about in rather more neutral tones and without all of the spin.
I would agree with Nick that the support given to Boris the last time was on a completely different level from anything given to Zac but then Khan is a completely different level of candidate to Ken and the whole election is less visceral as a result. As a result London is reverting to type which is Labour's last stronghold.
On Brexit I think it is clear that the media other than the press are generally supportive of Remain and that is going to significantly outweigh any frothing in the Telegraph or the Express. For me, it is a vote for Brexit that would call into question the power of the media in this country, not the reverse.
I broadly agree. The numbers of people who buy newspapers are dwindling rapidly.
I'm not sure about digital subscriptions but would assume that's a slightly wealthier and politically engaged demographic who digest their news how they want it.
Don't know about Facebook. Personally, I log on less and less now as it's all adverts and pictures of other people's kids.
The current furore is not really about anti-Semitism, which is being deliberately conflated with anti-Zionism by both Zionists and anti-Semites. It is, as a leading union leader Len McCluskey has clearly stated, a deliberate attempt by Jeremy Corbyn's opponents within Labour to undermine his leadership and a cynical attempt to manipulate anti-Semitism for political aims. In essence it is a Blairite conspiracy - one of the leading protagonists is Lord Levy, close friend and confidant of the former PM.
That a lot of hand waving and attempting to obscure the issues. There are only two issues that have any relevance here.
1) Did they say or write what is reported 2) Are those sort of views acceptable for elected politicians to hold in today's UK
As for the conspiracy ? I think you need a new tiny foil hat tbh, but even if it was true, if they hadn't said and written those things, there would be no case to answer, no scandal, and no crisis.
The answer to both questions is YES. This is a manufactured crisis by Blairites/Zionists who regard views other than their own as unacceptable.
Those antisemitic views are disgusting and unacceptable.
I am neither a Blairite nor a zionist.
I don't support the views of Ken Livingstone or Naz Shah either, but they have a right to express such views and it is self-defeating, particularly for a widely hated minority, to take umbrage at them.
So Jews are a widely-hated minority, are they? And it is self-defeating of them to take umbrage at those who hate them?
I see.
Substitute "Muslims" in your formulation. Then perhaps you may be able to see how loathsome your statement sounds.
If once is disliked, particularly if in a minority, it is generally better to keep a low profile and not "up the ante". If the atmosphere becomes excessively unpleasant and intolerable, it is generally best to leave and not make a fuss.
The whole affair is politicking at its worst, particularly when there a set of elections on May 5th. Its timing seems to have been deliberately planned to take the heat off Camborne and direct it at Corbyn.
Are you for real? Seriously?? WTF?
That is quite simply an appalling attitude to take. Not surprising though as this is the true face of the Labour Party which has now burst into the open for all to see. It was always there of course its systemic and Labour are quite simply riddled with it but yet remain in denial.
I'd abolish one of the May Bank holidays and replace it with a Waterloo Day on June the 18th.
Would be a tribute to our victory over the French, it would also be a tribute to European Unity, it would also double as a tribute to ABBA as only songs by them would be allowed to be played on Waterloo day.
What's not to love ?
If Leave win we should make it 23rd June - Independence Day or Freedom Day
I'd abolish one of the May Bank holidays and replace it with a Waterloo Day on June the 18th.
Would be a tribute to our victory over the French, it would also be a tribute to European Unity, it would also double as a tribute to ABBA as only songs by them would be allowed to be played on Waterloo day.
What's not to love ?
If Leave win we should make it 23rd June - Independence Day or Freedom Day
we can have fireworks and burn effigies of Dave.
Would Leavers plan annual parades every year past Remainers homes on that day reminding them that they lost? Would they also be wearing bowler hats too?
I'm sure that Corbyn's opponents have seen this as an opportunity to damage him. But, no one forced Naz Shah, Ken Livingstone et al to make the comments they did.
This is the flyer doing the rounds on Twitter at the mo, reading it you’d think Ken was frog marched into the numerous TV studios he visited at gun point.
“Witch Hunt. - Join us this Tuesday (May 3rd) at 20:00-22:00 BST On Facebook & Twitter to protest the anti-Semitic Witch hunt run by media, Israel lobby and Traitorous Blairites against Jeremy Corbyn Ken Livingstone and the Labour left.” - Quite barking...
We must be sceptical about the influence of newspapers like the Mail. Is it the Mail influencing its readers or the Mail, anxious to keep its circulation up, reflecting the views of it readers.
Drinking with several members of the local Labour Party last night, the consensus was that Jezza wasn’t a bad leader, and that Ken had fallen right off his trolley.
Oh, and that Brexit was a BAD IDEA. The only local window poster I’ve seen (we haven’t got local elections) is a Labour IN.
On a personal note I spoke with a very elderly relative last night. She and her husband are for Leave, and was disappointed at my voiting for Remain, but admitted that all her children and grandchildren were also Remainers.
The current furore is not really about anti-Semitism, which is being deliberately conflated with anti-Zionism by both Zionists and anti-Semites. It is, as a leading union leader Len McCluskey has clearly stated, a deliberate attempt by Jeremy Corbyn's opponents within Labour to undermine his leadership and a cynical attempt to manipulate anti-Semitism for political aims. In essence it is a Blairite conspiracy - one of the leading protagonists is Lord Levy, close friend and confidant of the former PM.
That a lot of hand waving and attempting to obscure the issues. There are only two issues that have any relevance here.
1) Did they say or write what is reported 2) Are those sort of views acceptable for elected politicians to hold in today's UK
As for the conspiracy ? I think you need a new tiny foil hat tbh, but even if it was true, if they hadn't said and written those things, there would be no case to answer, no scandal, and no crisis.
The answer to both questions is YES. This is a manufactured crisis by Blairites/Zionists who regard views other than their own as unacceptable.
Those antisemitic views are disgusting and unacceptable.
I am neither a Blairite nor a zionist.
I don't support the views of Ken Livingstone or Naz Shah either, but they have a right to express such views and it is self-defeating, particularly for a widely hated minority, to take umbrage at them.
I suppose Salman Rushdie was a widely hated minority.
Really, you seem complacent in embracing "freedom to express such views", when a significant number of persons - to whom those views are likely to appeal - have little restraint in resorting to physical violence. It's rather different to getting Christian old ladies worked up ...
I'd abolish one of the May Bank holidays and replace it with a Waterloo Day on June the 18th.
Would be a tribute to our victory over the French, it would also be a tribute to European Unity, it would also double as a tribute to ABBA as only songs by them would be allowed to be played on Waterloo day.
What's not to love ?
If Leave win we should make it 23rd June - Independence Day or Freedom Day
we can have fireworks and burn effigies of Dave.
Would Leavers plan annual parades every year past Remainers homes on that day reminding them that they lost? Would they also be wearing bowler hats too?
sounds an excellent idea, book it in. We'll paint your door traitor's white so we know when to trample on your marigolds.
I'd abolish one of the May Bank holidays and replace it with a Waterloo Day on June the 18th.
Would be a tribute to our victory over the French, it would also be a tribute to European Unity, it would also double as a tribute to ABBA as only songs by them would be allowed to be played on Waterloo day.
What's not to love ?
If Leave win we should make it 23rd June - Independence Day or Freedom Day
we can have fireworks and burn effigies of Dave.
Would Leavers plan annual parades every year past Remainers homes on that day reminding them that they lost? Would they also be wearing bowler hats too?
sounds an excellent idea, book it in. We'll paint your door traitor's white so we know when to trample on your marigolds.
I'll do a thread this weekend comparing Leavers to the Orange Order.
Seems only fair, I did compare Leavers to the IRA last weekend.
Drinking with several members of the local Labour Party last night, the consensus was that Jezza wasn’t a bad leader, and that Ken had fallen right off his trolley.
Oh, and that Brexit was a BAD IDEA. The only local window poster I’ve seen (we haven’t got local elections) is a Labour IN.
On a personal note I spoke with a very elderly relative last night. She and her husband are for Leave, and was disappointed at my voiting for Remain, but admitted that all her children and grandchildren were also Remainers.
Yeah, I know, anecdote, sample of one etc.
But heartening.
Very heartening. Your elderly relative and her husband possess great wisdom and fortitude.
I'd abolish one of the May Bank holidays and replace it with a Waterloo Day on June the 18th.
Would be a tribute to our victory over the French, it would also be a tribute to European Unity, it would also double as a tribute to ABBA as only songs by them would be allowed to be played on Waterloo day.
What's not to love ?
If Leave win we should make it 23rd June - Independence Day or Freedom Day
we can have fireworks and burn effigies of Dave.
Would Leavers plan annual parades every year past Remainers homes on that day reminding them that they lost? Would they also be wearing bowler hats too?
sounds an excellent idea, book it in. We'll paint your door traitor's white so we know when to trample on your marigolds.
I'll do a thread this weekend comparing Leavers to the Orange Order.
Seems only fair, I did compare Leavers to the IRA last weekend.
I'm sure that Corbyn's opponents have seen this as an opportunity to damage him. But, no one forced Naz Shah, Ken Livingstone et al to make the comments they did.
This is the flyer doing the rounds on Twitter at the mo, reading it you’d think Ken was frog marched into the numerous TV studios he visited at gun point.
“Witch Hunt. - Join us this Tuesday (May 3rd) at 20:00-22:00 BST On Facebook & Twitter to protest the anti-Semitic Witch hunt run by media, Israel lobby and Traitorous Blairites against Jeremy Corbyn Ken Livingstone and the Labour left.” - Quite barking...
Join us on Twitter? Has there ever been a more pointless rallying call?
Normally the press lines up to back one party or another, but in this case almost all of the political parties (or their leadership at least) are in favour of staying in. I suspect some of the more critical press will fall into line as we get closer to the big day. But given the abuse of public finances and institutions so far by the Remain campaign, I really don't think there can be any complaints that the press aren't doing what Remainers would like.
Tosh.. If you think there has been abuse of public finances, get the police involved .. you will find it was all perfectly legal..
There is a distinctoin, Mr Root, between what is legal and what is right.
The Tories are very adept at exploiting this. Though sometimes it does catch up with them. This may be one of those times.
I'd abolish one of the May Bank holidays and replace it with a Waterloo Day on June the 18th.
Would be a tribute to our victory over the French, it would also be a tribute to European Unity, it would also double as a tribute to ABBA as only songs by them would be allowed to be played on Waterloo day.
What's not to love ?
If Leave win we should make it 23rd June - Independence Day or Freedom Day
we can have fireworks and burn effigies of Dave.
My suggestion of the 4th Friday in June as European Unity day is much better. We can celebrate by having role reversal, so English people can serve Slovakian barmaids their drinks, pick strawberries for Lithuanians and fix plumbing for Poles.
I'd abolish one of the May Bank holidays and replace it with a Waterloo Day on June the 18th.
Would be a tribute to our victory over the French, it would also be a tribute to European Unity, it would also double as a tribute to ABBA as only songs by them would be allowed to be played on Waterloo day.
What's not to love ?
If Leave win we should make it 23rd June - Independence Day or Freedom Day
we can have fireworks and burn effigies of Dave.
Would Leavers plan annual parades every year past Remainers homes on that day reminding them that they lost? Would they also be wearing bowler hats too?
sounds an excellent idea, book it in. We'll paint your door traitor's white so we know when to trample on your marigolds.
I'll do a thread this weekend comparing Leavers to the Orange Order.
Seems only fair, I did compare Leavers to the IRA last weekend.
McCluskey talks about a "cynical attempt to use anti-semitism for political ends". Which is of course itself a cynical attempt to mark a topic off-limits when you are losing the argument.
I'd abolish one of the May Bank holidays and replace it with a Waterloo Day on June the 18th.
Would be a tribute to our victory over the French, it would also be a tribute to European Unity, it would also double as a tribute to ABBA as only songs by them would be allowed to be played on Waterloo day.
What's not to love ?
If Leave win we should make it 23rd June - Independence Day or Freedom Day
we can have fireworks and burn effigies of Dave.
And make it legal to hunt remainers with hounds on that special day.
I'm sure that Corbyn's opponents have seen this as an opportunity to damage him. But, no one forced Naz Shah, Ken Livingstone et al to make the comments they did.
This is the flyer doing the rounds on Twitter at the mo, reading it you’d think Ken was frog marched into the numerous TV studios he visited at gun point.
“Witch Hunt. - Join us this Tuesday (May 3rd) at 20:00-22:00 BST On Facebook & Twitter to protest the anti-Semitic Witch hunt run by media, Israel lobby and Traitorous Blairites against Jeremy Corbyn Ken Livingstone and the Labour left.” - Quite barking...
Join us on Twitter? Has there ever been a more pointless rallying call?
I'd abolish one of the May Bank holidays and replace it with a Waterloo Day on June the 18th.
Would be a tribute to our victory over the French, it would also be a tribute to European Unity, it would also double as a tribute to ABBA as only songs by them would be allowed to be played on Waterloo day.
What's not to love ?
If Leave win we should make it 23rd June - Independence Day or Freedom Day
we can have fireworks and burn effigies of Dave.
My suggestion of the 4th Friday in June as European Unity day is much better. We can celebrate by having role reversal, so English people can serve Slovakian barmaids their drinks, pick strawberries for Lithuanians and fix plumbing for Poles.
and Dave can pick cotton in front of Obama and say yess massa
We had this exact discussion pre 2015 GE & the likes of the Mail (which has a surprisingly large labour leaning readership) went massive on the little ed in the pocket of SNP angle & the rest is history....perhaps.
I'd abolish one of the May Bank holidays and replace it with a Waterloo Day on June the 18th.
Would be a tribute to our victory over the French, it would also be a tribute to European Unity, it would also double as a tribute to ABBA as only songs by them would be allowed to be played on Waterloo day.
What's not to love ?
If Leave win we should make it 23rd June - Independence Day or Freedom Day
we can have fireworks and burn effigies of Dave.
Would Leavers plan annual parades every year past Remainers homes on that day reminding them that they lost? Would they also be wearing bowler hats too?
sounds an excellent idea, book it in. We'll paint your door traitor's white so we know when to trample on your marigolds.
I'll do a thread this weekend comparing Leavers to the Orange Order.
Seems only fair, I did compare Leavers to the IRA last weekend.
That is quite simply an appalling attitude to take. Not surprising though as this is the true face of the Labour Party which has now burst into the open for all to see. It was always there of course its systemic and Labour are quite simply riddled with it but yet remain in denial.
It is not new, hence the reference in my original post to Mosley, Bevin, Webb and Macdonald.
It is shared by many others outside the Labour party. For example, the front page of the Sun on May 6th 2015 (the day before the GE) had a clear "dog whistle" anti-Semitic overtone regarding Ed M.
I'd abolish one of the May Bank holidays and replace it with a Waterloo Day on June the 18th.
Would be a tribute to our victory over the French, it would also be a tribute to European Unity, it would also double as a tribute to ABBA as only songs by them would be allowed to be played on Waterloo day.
What's not to love ?
If Leave win we should make it 23rd June - Independence Day or Freedom Day
we can have fireworks and burn effigies of Dave.
And make it legal to hunt remainers with hounds on that special day.
nah you'd just make them all go to an all day lecture on EU regulations on carrots in german.
So while everyone else was out having a laugh they'd get to appreciate what they are missing.
I enjoyed Brexit Gives You Cancer from a bunch of Remain oncologists. The AGW mob came up with the most ludicrous claims. My personal favourite was Global Warming Will Increase Prostitution. There was a website that had hundreds of these scare stories listed - alas I can't find it. It was hilarious.
Drinking with several members of the local Labour Party last night, the consensus was that Jezza wasn’t a bad leader, and that Ken had fallen right off his trolley.
Oh, and that Brexit was a BAD IDEA. The only local window poster I’ve seen (we haven’t got local elections) is a Labour IN.
On a personal note I spoke with a very elderly relative last night. She and her husband are for Leave, and was disappointed at my voiting for Remain, but admitted that all her children and grandchildren were also Remainers.
Yeah, I know, anecdote, sample of one etc.
But heartening.
The generation that lived through WW2 have long felt that younger people have somehow cheated them.
I'd abolish one of the May Bank holidays and replace it with a Waterloo Day on June the 18th.
Would be a tribute to our victory over the French, it would also be a tribute to European Unity, it would also double as a tribute to ABBA as only songs by them would be allowed to be played on Waterloo day.
What's not to love ?
If Leave win we should make it 23rd June - Independence Day or Freedom Day
we can have fireworks and burn effigies of Dave.
Would Leavers plan annual parades every year past Remainers homes on that day reminding them that they lost? Would they also be wearing bowler hats too?
sounds an excellent idea, book it in. We'll paint your door traitor's white so we know when to trample on your marigolds.
I'll do a thread this weekend comparing Leavers to the Orange Order.
Seems only fair, I did compare Leavers to the IRA last weekend.
It'll give me a chance to wheel out my new slogan
"There's nothing british about TSE"
I am as English as the Queen.
Nonsense, you've nowhere near enough germans in your family.
I'd abolish one of the May Bank holidays and replace it with a Waterloo Day on June the 18th.
Would be a tribute to our victory over the French, it would also be a tribute to European Unity, it would also double as a tribute to ABBA as only songs by them would be allowed to be played on Waterloo day.
What's not to love ?
If Leave win we should make it 23rd June - Independence Day or Freedom Day
we can have fireworks and burn effigies of Dave.
Would Leavers plan annual parades every year past Remainers homes on that day reminding them that they lost? Would they also be wearing bowler hats too?
" We're up to our knees in Remainian blood, Surrender or you die!"
Drinking with several members of the local Labour Party last night, the consensus was that Jezza wasn’t a bad leader, and that Ken had fallen right off his trolley.
Oh, and that Brexit was a BAD IDEA. The only local window poster I’ve seen (we haven’t got local elections) is a Labour IN.
On a personal note I spoke with a very elderly relative last night. She and her husband are for Leave, and was disappointed at my voiting for Remain, but admitted that all her children and grandchildren were also Remainers.
Yeah, I know, anecdote, sample of one etc.
But heartening.
Very heartening. Your elderly relative and her husband possess great wisdom and fortitude.
They do indeed possess fortitude. One served in Burma in WWII, the other was a WREN. Volunteered before women were conscripted.
I'm sure that Corbyn's opponents have seen this as an opportunity to damage him. But, no one forced Naz Shah, Ken Livingstone et al to make the comments they did.
Shah's comments were made two years ago, so the timing is down to those who released them. Ken's, by contrast, were wholly self-inflicted.
I'd abolish one of the May Bank holidays and replace it with a Waterloo Day on June the 18th.
Would be a tribute to our victory over the French, it would also be a tribute to European Unity, it would also double as a tribute to ABBA as only songs by them would be allowed to be played on Waterloo day.
What's not to love ?
If Leave win we should make it 23rd June - Independence Day or Freedom Day
we can have fireworks and burn effigies of Dave.
Would Leavers plan annual parades every year past Remainers homes on that day reminding them that they lost? Would they also be wearing bowler hats too?
sounds an excellent idea, book it in. We'll paint your door traitor's white so we know when to trample on your marigolds.
I'll do a thread this weekend comparing Leavers to the Orange Order.
Seems only fair, I did compare Leavers to the IRA last weekend.
Drinking with several members of the local Labour Party last night, the consensus was that Jezza wasn’t a bad leader, and that Ken had fallen right off his trolley.
Oh, and that Brexit was a BAD IDEA. The only local window poster I’ve seen (we haven’t got local elections) is a Labour IN.
On a personal note I spoke with a very elderly relative last night. She and her husband are for Leave, and was disappointed at my voiting for Remain, but admitted that all her children and grandchildren were also Remainers.
Yeah, I know, anecdote, sample of one etc.
But heartening.
Very heartening. Your elderly relative and her husband possess great wisdom and fortitude.
They do indeed possess fortitude. One served in Burma in WWII, the other was a WREN. Volunteered before women were conscripted.
I'd abolish one of the May Bank holidays and replace it with a Waterloo Day on June the 18th.
Would be a tribute to our victory over the French, it would also be a tribute to European Unity, it would also double as a tribute to ABBA as only songs by them would be allowed to be played on Waterloo day.
What's not to love ?
If Leave win we should make it 23rd June - Independence Day or Freedom Day
we can have fireworks and burn effigies of Dave.
Would Leavers plan annual parades every year past Remainers homes on that day reminding them that they lost? Would they also be wearing bowler hats too?
Given the huge gloat-a-thon by Remain supporters last week after the triumphant Obama visit I am not sure either side has a lot of room for comment on this subject!
I don't think that there is any doubt that the influence of the press is not what it was. Their biggest influence these days is that they set the agenda and content of so much of the 24 hour news programs but they of course report what the press are speaking about in rather more neutral tones and without all of the spin.
I would agree with Nick that the support given to Boris the last time was on a completely different level from anything given to Zac but then Khan is a completely different level of candidate to Ken and the whole election is less visceral as a result. As a result London is reverting to type which is Labour's last stronghold.
On Brexit I think it is clear that the media other than the press are generally supportive of Remain and that is going to significantly outweigh any frothing in the Telegraph or the Express. For me, it is a vote for Brexit that would call into question the power of the media in this country, not the reverse.
I broadly agree. The numbers of people who buy newspapers are dwindling rapidly.
I'm not sure about digital subscriptions but would assume that's a slightly wealthier and politically engaged demographic who digest their news how they want it.
Don't know about Facebook. Personally, I log on less and less now as it's all adverts and pictures of other people's kids.
Never been on facebook although my kids are, with diminishing enthusiasm. I did recently use it in a court case though where the description of the injuries suffered by the pursuer (plaintiff) did not bear any comparison with her facebook pictures taken immediately after the accident. So it is not completely useless.
I get pretty much all my news from the internet these days and newspapers do play a part in that but not in any conventional form. My wife likes the Dundee Courier and the ST but I barely glance at the former and only read a few of the columnists in the latter. When I was at University I used to read a serious newspaper or 2 for almost an hour every day. It is remarkable how quickly things have changed.
I'd abolish one of the May Bank holidays and replace it with a Waterloo Day on June the 18th.
Would be a tribute to our victory over the French, it would also be a tribute to European Unity, it would also double as a tribute to ABBA as only songs by them would be allowed to be played on Waterloo day.
What's not to love ?
If Leave win we should make it 23rd June - Independence Day or Freedom Day
we can have fireworks and burn effigies of Dave.
Would Leavers plan annual parades every year past Remainers homes on that day reminding them that they lost? Would they also be wearing bowler hats too?
sounds an excellent idea, book it in. We'll paint your door traitor's white so we know when to trample on your marigolds.
I'll do a thread this weekend comparing Leavers to the Orange Order.
Seems only fair, I did compare Leavers to the IRA last weekend.
Interesting fraud warning on our local Neighbourhood Watch Facebook site:
"The National Fraud Intelligence Bureau (NFIB) and Action Fraud have noticed a rise in the reporting of victims being recruited via Facebook to sell items for suspects on eBay – often stating that it is a quick way of making money.
The items are said to be bankrupt stock, purchased via auctions, and need to be sold on quickly. The majority of the items reported have been Apple Mac Book Pro/Electrical Items.
The victim places the items on eBay and once the items are sold, the victim will get paid and transfer the funds to the suspect/recruiter.
Once the suspect/recruiter gets the funds, the purchasers are claiming that they have received empty cereal boxes or often no goods at all, leaving the victim being reported as the actual suspect, and leaving them out of pocket as their account will be debited.”
Yeah just this morning I was chatting over a cup of char to Mrs hedgehog about that and she agreed. Even Mr Owl swooped down and was very critical of the leave campaign. Within a few minutes there was quite a debate going on between all the varied wildlife. That Robin redbreast turned out to be a right little commie though.
Well it was all quite friendly until that dopey old chicKEN from across the way joined in and went and mentioned Hitler. Jeez.......Before you could say Maos a muppet there was fur and Feathers absolutely everywhere. Finally the RSPCA was called to restore order before the old age chiKEN was finally removed using the Anti terrorism laws and held under lock and key in the chicken Co-op for the next 24 hours.
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You're vile.
However, there does seem to be an excessive loathing of Corbyn, and support for those who have a downer on him, on this forum. He is an old man, and not especially bright, and will be off the scene sooner rather than later in the natural course of events.
Eh?
Nobody but Ken planned for him to suddenly appear on TV professing to be a leading expert on Nazi policy in 1932. And then proceed to spend four days holding a position that was clearly historically wrong.
'Using the average of the latest opinion poll results, including the Opinium/Observer poll carried out after the antisemitism row last week, Steve Fisher, of Oxford University, one of the country’s leading elections experts, predicts that Labour could be on course for losses of 175 local council seats, while the Conservatives could gain 30.
On the national equivalent vote share, which tends to be a good predictor of subsequent general elections, Labour looks likely to be one percentage point behind the Conservatives'
However Liz Kendall reckons we should make 400 gains. No agenda there Liz.
Well they can. But the risk is that to do so they adopt those views and so become as extreme and racist as the voters they are seeking to get onside. IMO that is what happening to Labour - and not just on the anti-Semitism question.
Or they can try to remain true to their principles and seek to challenge and educate their voters and make clear what is/is not generally accepted in the political culture: a process of political integration, if you will.
Labour has chosen not to do the latter and is now in danger of turning itself into a combination of Respect/SWP with a bit of BNP icing on top courtesy of Ken. If it carries on like this it won't remain a mainstream party forever.
When Enoch Powell made his infamous speech back in the day he was sacked and despite his poularity (the dockers marching under banners saying "Enoch is right") the Tories turned away from his views and those of the voters who felt like him.
There is nothing wrong with courting the votes of those who are Muslim. There is everything wrong with doing so in such a way that you import, give expression to and support a political culture and views which are antithetical to the principles you claim to espouse and the values of the society you live in. In doing so you degrade your own claims to morality and decency and the political culture of this country.
'(Len) McCluskey predicted the party would lose seats in Scotland and Wales but said that such results should not spark any moves from within the party against Corbyn.'
In 1961, about forty years before you were born, the Russians built a wall across Berlin. Their stated aim was to stop all the Western fascists who wanted to leave and embrace life in the Soviet paradise - the holiday destination of a young Jezza and Diane. Shouldn't these Russians have opened their borders to welcome all these refugees - a hated minority?
Hmm ... I've just confused myself now. I salute your indefatigability in keeping these opinions.
Would be a tribute to our defeat of the French, it would also be a tribute to European Unity, it would also double as a tribute to ABBA as only songs by them would be allowed to be played on Waterloo day.
What's not to love ?
On a more serious note, that's entirely unnecessary. Simply have a week off in the first week in April. If they doesn't include Easter, have bank holidays for the Friday and Monday.
They do something similar in Leeds (unsure if it's precisely that model or slightly different).
Mr. Daodao, I must say I think that's a reprehensible perspective.
Typical europhile.
We should not confuse his ineffectiveness as a traditional leader of the opposition with him not really believing or supporting any of this. He is malign. Not simply foolish. IMO.
Perhaps the correct thing to say is that we would need to be making around 400 gains to be on track to win a majority in 2020. But then who really thinks we'll do that?
we can have fireworks and burn effigies of Dave.
"Its timing seems to have been deliberately planned"
Eh?
Nobody but Ken planned for him to suddenly appear on TV professing to be a leading expert on Nazi policy in 1932. And then proceed to spend four days holding a position that was clearly historically wrong.
I return to my original post where I quoted the leading union leader Len McCluskey, who stated that the affair is a deliberate attempt by Jeremy Corbyn's opponents within Labour to undermine his leadership and a cynical attempt to manipulate anti-Semitism for political aims.
There is hatred by some in the Labour party for the current leadership, but it was democratically elected less than a year ago and it is wrong for Labour party members to attempt to undermine it.
I do agree that Ken L, who has long been known to hold Anti-Zionist views, has poured fuel on the fire. He tried to use the limited co-operation between Zionists and the German government in the 1930s to support his position, an episode (like the Kastner affair) that the Zionists would prefer people to forget, but did not get his facts exactly right.
There isn't an example of the governing party making gains *and* the main opposition party suffering losses in a non-GE year since before the major local government restructuring of the early 1970s.
I'm not sure about digital subscriptions but would assume that's a slightly wealthier and politically engaged demographic who digest their news how they want it.
Don't know about Facebook. Personally, I log on less and less now as it's all adverts and pictures of other people's kids.
That is quite simply an appalling attitude to take. Not surprising though as this is the true face of the Labour Party which has now burst into the open for all to see. It was always there of course its systemic and Labour are quite simply riddled with it but yet remain in denial.
'The Liberal Democrats could be set to win up to 90 local council seats this week, the new projections suggest'
“Witch Hunt. - Join us this Tuesday (May 3rd) at 20:00-22:00 BST On Facebook & Twitter to protest the anti-Semitic Witch hunt run by media, Israel lobby and Traitorous Blairites against Jeremy Corbyn Ken Livingstone and the Labour left.” - Quite barking...
Oh, and that Brexit was a BAD IDEA. The only local window poster I’ve seen (we haven’t got local elections) is a Labour IN.
On a personal note I spoke with a very elderly relative last night. She and her husband are for Leave, and was disappointed at my voiting for Remain, but admitted that all her children and grandchildren were also Remainers.
Yeah, I know, anecdote, sample of one etc.
But heartening.
Really, you seem complacent in embracing "freedom to express such views", when a significant number of persons - to whom those views are likely to appeal - have little restraint in resorting to physical violence. It's rather different to getting Christian old ladies worked up ...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3399791/Immigration-Israel-western-European-Jews-hits-time-high-following-rise-anti-Semitic-attacks.html
On a more trustworthy note, my post-race analysis of Russia is here: http://enormo-haddock.blogspot.co.uk/2016/05/russia-post-race-analysis-2016.html
Seems only fair, I did compare Leavers to the IRA last weekend.
The Tories are very adept at exploiting this. Though sometimes it does catch up with them. This may be one of those times.
"There's nothing british about TSE"
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3568772/Leaving-EU-endanger-Earth-says-Miliband-Former-Labour-leader-issues-extraordinary-warning-global-habitat-suffer-Britain-leaves.html
Least worst option and all that jazz, think of the economy.
To the barricades keyboards !
I think the answer is complex & nuanced.
"Are they doing it in bikinis whilst foam wrestling over the finer points of the debate."
At last, someone nearly as shallow as me. It would be a winner on Sky.
The Remain campaign is putting parody sites out of business.
It is shared by many others outside the Labour party. For example, the front page of the Sun on May 6th 2015 (the day before the GE) had a clear "dog whistle" anti-Semitic overtone regarding Ed M.
So while everyone else was out having a laugh they'd get to appreciate what they are missing.
It's win win
Guardian, FT and Independent will be strongly for Remain. Times a qualified Remain.
Sunday Times may well be neutral.
I don't know about The Mirror. Could be neutral but suspect it will be Remain in the end if Labour and the TUC are - it's a nodding donkey.
http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/they-misunderstand-or-misrepresent-the-context-in-which-it-was-used-gerry-adams-defends-using-nr-in-tweet-about-movie-django-unchained-34676678.html
I love Django Unchained.
Surrender or you die!"
Irishman comes out with racial slurs? I'm shocked to my core.
And so you should be, as surveys show, Ireland and the UK are among the least racist places on the planet, the worst is the Indian subcontinent.
Gerry Adams must be part Pakistani.
http://order-order.com/2016/05/02/another-labour-politician-wants-to-relocate-jews-to-america/
This Labour councilor has managed a full house. Blood libel, Israeli Nazis, deport them... Oh and Rothchilds
I get pretty much all my news from the internet these days and newspapers do play a part in that but not in any conventional form. My wife likes the Dundee Courier and the ST but I barely glance at the former and only read a few of the columnists in the latter. When I was at University I used to read a serious newspaper or 2 for almost an hour every day. It is remarkable how quickly things have changed.
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/may/01/romanian-sex-workers-challenge-uk-immigration-policy
Staggers - Remain
Kiptator - Leave
"The National Fraud Intelligence Bureau (NFIB) and Action Fraud have noticed a rise in the reporting of victims being recruited via Facebook to sell items for suspects on eBay – often stating that it is a quick way of making money.
The items are said to be bankrupt stock, purchased via auctions, and need to be sold on quickly. The majority of the items reported have been Apple Mac Book Pro/Electrical Items.
The victim places the items on eBay and once the items are sold, the victim will get paid and transfer the funds to the suspect/recruiter.
Once the suspect/recruiter gets the funds, the purchasers are claiming that they have received empty cereal boxes or often no goods at all, leaving the victim being reported as the actual suspect, and leaving them out of pocket as their account will be debited.”
If it looks too good to be true........
Yeah just this morning I was chatting over a cup of char to Mrs hedgehog about that and she agreed. Even Mr Owl swooped down and was very critical of the leave campaign. Within a few minutes there was quite a debate going on between all the varied wildlife. That Robin redbreast turned out to be a right little commie though.
Well it was all quite friendly until that dopey old chicKEN from across the way joined in and went and mentioned Hitler. Jeez.......Before you could say Maos a muppet there was fur and Feathers absolutely everywhere. Finally the RSPCA was called to restore order before the old age chiKEN was finally removed using the Anti terrorism laws and held under lock and key in the chicken Co-op for the next 24 hours.