"Elsewhere, on our regular voting intention for the referendum question, there is no movement at worth noting.
Definitely for Remain: 19 per cent ( + 2 per cent). Definitely for Leave: 59 per cent ( – 1 per cent). Leaning to Remain: 9 per cent ( + 1 per cent). Leaning to Leave: 10 per cent ( – 3 per cent).
Yet again, the sheer consistency of the survey shines through the returns."
I can't quite believe what I was hearing on Matthew Wright Show on C5. He is asking the question is Hitler-Gate is all an unfair smear on Labour and him and the whole panel agree it absolutely is.
Its all the Tories, and the Tories are all racist etc etc etc
It was clearly the Tories who forced Ken at gun point to go on and on for 3 days about Hitler.
Make allowances: From what I've seen on C5 quite a lot of the people on it have quite a job not pronouncing Three and 'Free. Pooh Bear may be not many steps behind many of them:
I can't quite believe what I was hearing on Matthew Wright Show on C5. He is asking the question is Hitler-Gate is all an unfair smear on Labour and him and the whole panel agree it absolutely is.
Its all the Tories, and the Tories are all racist etc etc etc
It was clearly the Tories who forced Ken at gun point to go on and on for 3 days about Hitler.
Make allowances: From what I've seen on C5 quite a lot of the people on it have quite a job not pronouncing Three and 'Free. Pooh Bear may be not many steps behind many of them:
Interesting findings. What it shows is what most of the non hysterical already know. Racists and anti Semites are more likely to be attracted to the Tories than Labour and are much more likely to be attracted to UKIP who many must see as a home for anti Semites.
Beyond that it shows that anti semitism is vitually non existant among Labour Party supporters but much less so among the supporters of right wing parties. as has always been the case
Excluding don't knows and wouldn't votes Leave has a 20 point lead over Remain in a hypothetical referendum on Britain's membership of the Eurovision Song Contest
I can't quite believe what I was hearing on Matthew Wright Show on C5. He is asking the question is Hitler-Gate is all an unfair smear on Labour and him and the whole panel agree it absolutely is.
Its all the Tories, and the Tories are all racist etc etc etc
It was clearly the Tories who forced Ken at gun point to go on and on for 3 days about Hitler.
Make allowances: From what I've seen on C5 quite a lot of the people on it have quite a job not pronouncing Three and 'Free. Pooh Bear may be not many steps behind many of them:
Good morning all. Typical Bank Holiday weather down in London. Cloud covered sky. Morose, if weather can be called morose, and threatening rain.
So it's a cuppa for me and back to bed in a jiffy.
My mother is a true Tory. She still rails against Harold Wilson for making May day a bank holiday.
Jim Callaghan, 1978.
True Tory, getting it wrong!
Indeed - Tories are ALWAYS wrong...
This is RUBBISH. Tory and Labour two sides of the same coin, with the L/Dems and Greens milling round the edge. Not only that but UKIP have a hole in the middle which needs filling.
Final sentence: what you say about UKIP; Sandy says about Priti Patel.
And, on that extremely crude bombshell, I will get my coat, and Leave you all to it.
Good morning all. Typical Bank Holiday weather down in London. Cloud covered sky. Morose, if weather can be called morose, and threatening rain.
So it's a cuppa for me and back to bed in a jiffy.
My mother is a true Tory. She still rails against Harold Wilson for making May day a bank holiday.
Jim Callaghan, 1978.
True Tory, getting it wrong!
Indeed - Tories are ALWAYS wrong...
Little Leftie heads explode at the notion that the Tories might possibly be right. About anything.
It was a meme tim pushed for years. Until he had to retreat in the face of overwhelming evidence that "Tories - always wrong, never learn..." was just so much horse-shit.
I can't quite believe what I was hearing on Matthew Wright Show on C5. He is asking the question is Hitler-Gate is all an unfair smear on Labour and him and the whole panel agree it absolutely is.
Its all the Tories, and the Tories are all racist etc etc etc
It was clearly the Tories who forced Ken at gun point to go on and on for 3 days about Hitler.
Make allowances: From what I've seen on C5 quite a lot of the people on it have quite a job not pronouncing Three and 'Free. Pooh Bear may be not many steps behind many of them:
eon has been accused of being “anti-democratic” by ignoring the result of the independence referendum as she struggled during a live TV debate to reconcile her desire for a rerun with her claim she respects the 2014 result.
Opposition party leaders were enthusiastically applauded and cheered by the audience during the BBC One Scotland showdown at Hopetoun House near Edinburgh as they took turns to round on the First Minister.
Ha Ha Ha for sure neither the writer or yourself saw the assorted bunch of unionist losers avoiding discussing their policies by shouting referendum ad nauseum. That bunch of toothless users could not round on anyone, she swatted them away like the bugs they are. Lots of shouting does not get votes, certain landslide ahead when this is the level of the opposition, they looked inferior in every way.
I knew we could rely on you for an objective analysis.....
I would not trust any of the opposition up here to run a bath never mind a country. It really was an unequal discussion, a giant against a bunch of pygmies, very depressing and unhealthy for the country that there is no opposition whatsoever.
To be honest I thought the whole thing was pretty uninspiring including Nicola. Kezia looked and sounded largely glaikit, Harvie was just infuriatingly stupid, Rennie was dull and pointless, Ruth struggled to get her say with people consistently talking over her and Nicola seemed to think that every attack on her policies was some form of personal insult.
It is indeed depressing that this is apparently the best that Scotland can offer.
Poor old Ruth, prevented from raising the level of discourse to photo ops with tanks, buffaloes and boat trips.
I can't quite believe what I was hearing on Matthew Wright Show on C5. He is asking the question is Hitler-Gate is all an unfair smear on Labour and him and the whole panel agree it absolutely is.
Its all the Tories, and the Tories are all racist etc etc etc
It was clearly the Tories who forced Ken at gun point to go on and on for 3 days about Hitler.
Make allowances: From what I've seen on C5 quite a lot of the people on it have quite a job not pronouncing Three and 'Free. Pooh Bear may be not many steps behind many of them:
Excluding don't knows and wouldn't votes Leave has a 20 point lead over Remain in a hypothetical referendum on Britain's membership of the Eurovision Song Contest
The current furore is not really about anti-Semitism, which is being deliberately conflated with anti-Zionism by both Zionists and anti-Semites. It is, as a leading union leader Len McCluskey has clearly stated, a deliberate attempt by Jeremy Corbyn's opponents within Labour to undermine his leadership and a cynical attempt to manipulate anti-Semitism for political aims. In essence it is a Blairite conspiracy - one of the leading protagonists is Lord Levy, close friend and confidant of the former PM.
That a lot of hand waving and attempting to obscure the issues. There are only two issues that have any relevance here.
1) Did they say or write what is reported 2) Are those sort of views acceptable for elected politicians to hold in today's UK
As for the conspiracy ? I think you need a new tiny foil hat tbh, but even if it was true, if they hadn't said and written those things, there would be no case to answer, no scandal, and no crisis.
The answer to both questions is YES. This is a manufactured crisis by Blairites/Zionists who regard views other than their own as unacceptable.
I can't quite believe what I was hearing on Matthew Wright Show on C5. He is asking the question is Hitler-Gate is all an unfair smear on Labour and him and the whole panel agree it absolutely is.
Its all the Tories, and the Tories are all racist etc etc etc
It was clearly the Tories who forced Ken at gun point to go on and on for 3 days about Hitler.
Make allowances: From what I've seen on C5 quite a lot of the people on it have quite a job not pronouncing Three and 'Free. Pooh Bear may be not many steps behind many of them:
Excluding don't knows and wouldn't votes Leave has a 20 point lead over Remain in a hypothetical referendum on Britain's membership of the Eurovision Song Contest
The current furore is not really about anti-Semitism, which is being deliberately conflated with anti-Zionism by both Zionists and anti-Semites. It is, as a leading union leader Len McCluskey has clearly stated, a deliberate attempt by Jeremy Corbyn's opponents within Labour to undermine his leadership and a cynical attempt to manipulate anti-Semitism for political aims. In essence it is a Blairite conspiracy - one of the leading protagonists is Lord Levy, close friend and confidant of the former PM.
That a lot of hand waving and attempting to obscure the issues. There are only two issues that have any relevance here.
1) Did they say or write what is reported 2) Are those sort of views acceptable for elected politicians to hold in today's UK
As for the conspiracy ? I think you need a new tiny foil hat tbh, but even if it was true, if they hadn't said and written those things, there would be no case to answer, no scandal, and no crisis.
The answer to both questions is YES. This is a manufactured crisis by Blairites/Zionists who regard views other than their own as unacceptable.
Those antisemitic views are disgusting and unacceptable.
I am neither a Blairite nor a zionist.
I don't support the views of Ken Livingstone or Naz Shah either, but they have a right to express such views and it is self-defeating, particularly for a widely hated minority, to take umbrage at them.
A widely hated minority?
Oh dear god, crawl off under your stone you loathsome POS
Excluding don't knows and wouldn't votes Leave has a 20 point lead over Remain in a hypothetical referendum on Britain's membership of the Eurovision Song Contest
The answer to both questions is YES. This is a manufactured crisis by Blairites/Zionists who regard views other than their own as unacceptable.
Those antisemitic views are disgusting and unacceptable.
I am neither a Blairite nor a zionist.
.
So Jews are a widely-hated minority, are they? And it is self-defeating of them to take umbrage at those who hate them?
I see.
Substitute "Muslims" in your formulation. Then perhaps you may be able to see how loathsome your statement sounds.
.
Stamford Bridge will not be a pleasant place to be Jewish tonight, which is very ironic given who owns Chelsea.
The kind of people who think that is funny or even a good topic for a wind up are literally beyond my comprehension. What are they thinking? It is insane.
Among football fans, it's hard to know how much of this behaviour is genuinely anti-semitic, and how much is simply taking pleasure in being offensive and shocking (like the fans singing "we hope your kid dies of cancer" to David Beckham).
I remember the first time I went to Upton Park in the 1970's someone had painted a swastika and the words "Hitler was Right. Gas the Jews" above one of the entrances. The place was swarming with people outside selling papers for the NF and British Movement.
"Spurs are on their way to Auschwitz, Hitler's going to gas them again" is still sung frequently. There was another one called "There are No Showers at White Hart Lane", the gist of which was that the showers were gas chambers, and it would finish with the fans hissing, which was meant to be the sound of poison gas.
A friend of mine has a season ticket for Chelsea and invited me a few years ago. He assured me that this sort of thing didn't happen any more, when lo and behold, a bunch of boneheads started chanting "The Yids, the Yids, we've gotta get rid of the Yids" (and they were only playing Derby County).
The current furore is not really about anti-Semitism, which is being deliberately conflated with anti-Zionism by both Zionists and anti-Semites. It is, as a leading union leader Len McCluskey has clearly stated, a deliberate attempt by Jeremy Corbyn's opponents within Labour to undermine his leadership and a cynical attempt to manipulate anti-Semitism for political aims. In essence it is a Blairite conspiracy - one of the leading protagonists is Lord Levy, close friend and confidant of the former PM.
That a lot of hand waving and attempting to obscure the issues. There are only two issues that have any relevance here.
1) Did they say or write what is reported 2) Are those sort of views acceptable for elected politicians to hold in today's UK
As for the conspiracy ? I think you need a new tiny foil hat tbh, but even if it was true, if they hadn't said and written those things, there would be no case to answer, no scandal, and no crisis.
The answer to both questions is YES. This is a manufactured crisis by Blairites/Zionists who regard views other than their own as unacceptable.
Loooool
Last night I posted a Maomentum tweet.
Hitler=Zionist Blair=Zionist
Therefore Blair=Hitler.
I didn't expect someone to pop up and seriously say it.
The kind of people who think that is funny or even a good topic for a wind up are literally beyond my comprehension. What are they thinking? It is insane.
Among football fans, it's hard to know how much of this behaviour is genuinely anti-semitic, and how much is simply taking pleasure in being offensive and shocking (like the fans singing "we hope your kid dies of cancer" to David Beckham).
I remember the first time I went to Upton Park in the 1970's someone had painted a swastika and the words "Hitler was Right. Gas the Jews" above one of the entrances. The place was swarming with people outside selling papers for the NF and British Movement.
"Spurs are on their way to Auschwitz, Hitler's going to gas them again" is still sung frequently. There was another one called "There are No Showers at White Hart Lane", the gist of which was that the showers were gas chambers, and it would finish with the fans hissing, which was meant to be the sound of poison gas.
A friend of mine has a season ticket for Chelsea and invited me a few years ago. He assured me that this sort of thing didn't happen any more, when lo and behold, a bunch of boneheads started chanting "The Yids, the Yids, we've gotta get rid of the Yids" (and they were only playing Derby County).
I do recall singing about the more, err, agricultural pastimes of Aberdeen supporters in the 80s and 90s as well as a somewhat different version of the Northern Lights. Football fans can be very funny at their best but that sort of stuff is just sick.
When you think of the price of Premier League tickets these days most attending will have decent jobs and probably too many are middle class and middle age. It makes this stuff all the more bewildering and frankly explains why Hillsborough had fans trapped in cages.
Edit, damn seem to have deleted something incorrectly.
The current furore is not really about anti-Semitism, which is being deliberately conflated with anti-Zionism by both Zionists and anti-Semites. It is, as a leading union leader Len McCluskey has clearly stated, a deliberate attempt by Jeremy Corbyn's opponents within Labour to undermine his leadership and a cynical attempt to manipulate anti-Semitism for political aims. In essence it is a Blairite conspiracy - one of the leading protagonists is Lord Levy, close friend and confidant of the former PM.
That a lot of hand waving and attempting to obscure the issues. There are only two issues that have any relevance here.
1) Did they say or write what is reported 2) Are those sort of views acceptable for elected politicians to hold in today's UK
As for the conspiracy ? I think you need a new tiny foil hat tbh, but even if it was true, if they hadn't said and written those things, there would be no case to answer, no scandal, and no crisis.
The answer to both questions is YES. This is a manufactured crisis by Blairites/Zionists who regard views other than their own as unacceptable.
Those antisemitic views are disgusting and unacceptable.
I am neither a Blairite nor a zionist.
I don't support the views of Ken Livingstone or Naz Shah either, but they have a right to express such views and it is self-defeating, particularly for a widely hated minority, to take umbrage at them.
So Jews are a widely-hated minority, are they? And it is self-defeating of them to take umbrage at those who hate them?
I see.
Substitute "Muslims" in your formulation. Then perhaps you may be able to see how loathsome your statement sounds.
If once is disliked, particularly if in a minority, it is generally better to keep a low profile and not "up the ante". If the atmosphere becomes excessively unpleasant and intolerable, it is generally best to leave and not make a fuss.
The whole affair is politicking at its worst, particularly when there a set of elections on May 5th. Its timing seems to have been deliberately planned to take the heat off Camborne and direct it at Corbyn.
So Jews should either shut up or leave? Anything else is a zionist Blairite conspiracy?
You're vile.
Can you imagine what he would say if someone said what he did about sikhs or muslims?
I suppose it's good in a way that under the current Labour leadership these bottom feeders feel able to spout their poison in public.
You only have to read PB to know the accuracy of what I've just said. Dixie yesterday talked about inviting 'communities' to the House "never the The English". Try using Cyclefree's test down thread adding 'Jewish' to 'communities'
Or 'Tory' Lewis Duckworth who is worth quoting in full "Well, most (Jews) have been here longer than other minorities, and, in contrast to muslims, they all speak English, don't have their womenfolk kitted out in bin-liners, don't send recruits to Syria, and don't require 24/7 surveillance by our security services.
This casual racism is endemic on here for no other reason than it's populated by Tories and Ukipers. Labour supporters have been standing up for minorities against the 'Dixies' and the 'Lewis Duckworths' for years.
Good morning all. Typical Bank Holiday weather down in London. Cloud covered sky. Morose, if weather can be called morose, and threatening rain.
So it's a cuppa for me and back to bed in a jiffy.
My mother is a true Tory. She still rails against Harold Wilson for making May day a bank holiday.
Jim Callaghan, 1978.
A true Tory can't be *rsed to tell one Labour politician from another
That's because they are all part of the amorphous mass of the socialist hive mind, a creature clearly not of this earth given its alien and irrational ideas, which periodically splits off a part of itself to be Labour leader and fool the masses.
Admit it, you've seen someone post something like that seriously.
Tories are much more individual, though as they are demons from hell, it hardly matters.
Good morning all. Typical Bank Holiday weather down in London. Cloud covered sky. Morose, if weather can be called morose, and threatening rain.
So it's a cuppa for me and back to bed in a jiffy.
My mother is a true Tory. She still rails against Harold Wilson for making May day a bank holiday.
Jim Callaghan, 1978.
A true Tory can't be *rsed to tell one Labour politician from another
That's because they are all part of the amorphous mass of the socialist hive mind, a creature clearly not of this earth given its alien and irrational ideas, which periodically splits off a part of itself to be Labour leader and fool the masses.
Admit it, you've seen someone post something like that seriously.
Tories are much more individual, though as they are demons from hell, it hardly matters.
eon has been accused of being “anti-democratic” by ignoring the result of the independence referendum as she struggled during a live TV debate to reconcile her desire for a rerun with her claim she respects the 2014 result.
Opposition party leaders were enthusiastically applauded and cheered by the audience during the BBC One Scotland showdown at Hopetoun House near Edinburgh as they took turns to round on the First Minister.
Ha Ha Ha for sure neither the writer or yourself saw the assorted bunch of unionist losers avoiding discussing their policies by shouting referendum ad nauseum. That bunch of toothless users could not round on anyone, she swatted them away like the bugs they are. Lots of shouting does not get votes, certain landslide ahead when this is the level of the opposition, they looked inferior in every way.
I knew we could rely on you for an objective analysis.....
I would not trust any of the opposition up here to run a bath never mind a country. It really was an unequal discussion, a giant against a bunch of pygmies, very depressing and unhealthy for the country that there is no opposition whatsoever.
To be honest I thought the whole thing was pretty uninspiring including Nicola. Kezia looked and sounded largely glaikit, Harvie was just infuriatingly stupid, Rennie was dull and pointless, Ruth struggled to get her say with people consistently talking over her and Nicola seemed to think that every attack on her policies was some form of personal insult.
It is indeed depressing that this is apparently the best that Scotland can offer.
Poor old Ruth, prevented from raising the level of discourse to photo ops with tanks, buffaloes and boat trips.
Much better Nicola, going forth to preach the message of opposition to austerity....in a fleet of Mercedes......
Excluding don't knows and wouldn't votes Leave has a 20 point lead over Remain in a hypothetical referendum on Britain's membership of the Eurovision Song Contest
This Labour councilor has managed a full house. Blood libel, Israeli Nazis, deport them... Oh and Rothchilds
It is clear they have got loads of these to keep dripping slowly.
Odd that the Guardian had the Panama papers to scour through for a year before publication and yet Guido has managed to claim more scalps from trawling old twitter accounts and without losing £millions a year. - theirs a lesson there somewhere.
I am still shocked how un-revealing the Panama Papers actually were. The Australian version of Panorama had some good stories, but in the UK damn squib doesn't even come close to it.
In a way, it was quite positive how few politicians had any offshore interests, even fewer anything dodgy, with this law firm in Panama.
You obviously weren't reading between the lines and are totally oblivious to 788 790 Finchley Road and all it entails
Excluding don't knows and wouldn't votes Leave has a 20 point lead over Remain in a hypothetical referendum on Britain's membership of the Eurovision Song Contest
Actually, when it comes to Eurovision, I'm a Remainer for the shits & giggles. Albeit i wish we didn't pay quite so much money into it.
It's absolutely hilarious, each and every year, and continually reminds me why I'm an EU Leaver.
The UK has won Eurovision only ONCE since the Single European Act of 1986!
Believe in BRITAIN!
Be LEAVE!
And that was with an American.
1 in 30. Roughly our statistical chance if all entrants are considered equally capable ...
We won Eurovision twice in the period 1956 to 1972 (16 years, on average once every 8 years) We won it three times in the period 1973 to 2016 (43 years, on average once every 14.3 years)
Usual renta-luvvie, and while the claims may not bear (too) much scrutiny (eg the 'rich' are now paying more income tax than they ever did under Labour) its probably persuasive - classic 'send a message to the government' (and don't look too closely at us...)
Good morning all. Typical Bank Holiday weather down in London. Cloud covered sky. Morose, if weather can be called morose, and threatening rain.
So it's a cuppa for me and back to bed in a jiffy.
My mother is a true Tory. She still rails against Harold Wilson for making May day a bank holiday.
Jim Callaghan, 1978.
True Tory, getting it wrong!
Indeed - Tories are ALWAYS wrong...
FRom Wikipedia:
Banking and Financial Dealings Act 1971
Commencing in 1965, on an experimental basis, the August Bank Holiday weekend was observed at the end of August "to give a lead in extending British holidays over a longer summer period".[7] Each year's date was announced in Parliament on an ad-hoc basis, to the despair of the calendar and diary publishing trade.[8] The rule seems to have been to select the weekend of the last Saturday in August, so that in 1968[9] and 1969[10] Bank Holiday Monday actually fell in September.
A century after the 1871 Act, the Banking and Financial Dealings Act 1971, which currently regulates bank holidays in the UK, was passed.[11] The majority of the current bank holidays were specified in the 1971 Act: however New Year's Day and May Day were not introduced throughout the whole of the UK until 1974 and 1978 respectively.[12] The date of the August bank holiday was changed from the first Monday in August to the last Monday in August, and the Whitsun bank holiday (Whit Monday) was replaced by the Late Spring Bank Holiday, fixed as the last Monday in May.[13] In 1978 the first Monday in May in the rest of the UK, and the final Monday of May in Scotland, were designated as bank holidays.[14]
In January 2007, the St Andrew's Day Bank Holiday (Scotland) Act 2007 was given royal assent, making 30 November (or the nearest Monday if a weekend) a bank holiday in Scotland.[15]
So the legislation was from 1971, but the changes were not introduced immediately. Wison got the blame in 1974 for Heath's legislation.
"And have you ever actually heard the words to the London football version of “In my Liverpool Home”?"
I think most footie fans have.
But living in Merseyside, I have to admit they do make good comedians. Here's one from a local recently ...
"When I was a young man in the seventies, we chatted the women up differently to today's lads. Then we asked "Have you got a job?" We couldn't afford to pay for everything.
In the eighties, it was "have you any children?" In the nineties, it was "Have your children got the same father?"
Good morning all. Typical Bank Holiday weather down in London. Cloud covered sky. Morose, if weather can be called morose, and threatening rain.
So it's a cuppa for me and back to bed in a jiffy.
My mother is a true Tory. She still rails against Harold Wilson for making May day a bank holiday.
Jim Callaghan, 1978.
True Tory, getting it wrong!
Indeed - Tories are ALWAYS wrong...
FRom Wikipedia:
Banking and Financial Dealings Act 1971
Commencing in 1965, on an experimental basis, the August Bank Holiday weekend was observed at the end of August "to give a lead in extending British holidays over a longer summer period".[7] Each year's date was announced in Parliament on an ad-hoc basis, to the despair of the calendar and diary publishing trade.[8] The rule seems to have been to select the weekend of the last Saturday in August, so that in 1968[9] and 1969[10] Bank Holiday Monday actually fell in September.
A century after the 1871 Act, the Banking and Financial Dealings Act 1971, which currently regulates bank holidays in the UK, was passed.[11] The majority of the current bank holidays were specified in the 1971 Act: however New Year's Day and May Day were not introduced throughout the whole of the UK until 1974 and 1978 respectively.[12] The date of the August bank holiday was changed from the first Monday in August to the last Monday in August, and the Whitsun bank holiday (Whit Monday) was replaced by the Late Spring Bank Holiday, fixed as the last Monday in May.[13] In 1978 the first Monday in May in the rest of the UK, and the final Monday of May in Scotland, were designated as bank holidays.[14]
In January 2007, the St Andrew's Day Bank Holiday (Scotland) Act 2007 was given royal assent, making 30 November (or the nearest Monday if a weekend) a bank holiday in Scotland.[15]
So the legislation was from 1971, but the changes were not introduced immediately. Wison got the blame in 1974 for Heath's legislation.
It was Callaghan in 1978 - Wilson resigned in '76!
The current furore is not really about anti-Semitism, which is being deliberately conflated with anti-Zionism by both Zionists and anti-Semites. It is, as a leading union leader Len McCluskey has clearly stated, a deliberate attempt by Jeremy Corbyn's opponents within Labour to undermine his leadership and a cynical attempt to manipulate anti-Semitism for political aims. In essence it is a Blairite conspiracy - one of the leading protagonists is Lord Levy, close friend and confidant of the former PM.
That a lot of hand waving and attempting to obscure the issues. There are only two issues that have any relevance here.
1) Did they say or write what is reported 2) Are those sort of views acceptable for elected politicians to hold in today's UK
As for the conspiracy ? I think you need a new tiny foil hat tbh, but even if it was true, if they hadn't said and written those things, there would be no case to answer, no scandal, and no crisis.
The answer to both questions is YES. This is a manufactured crisis by Blairites/Zionists who regard views other than their own as unacceptable.
Those antisemitic views are disgusting and unacceptable.
I am neither a Blairite nor a zionist.
I don't support the views of Ken Livingstone or Naz Shah either, but they have a right to express such views and it is self-defeating, particularly for a widely hated minority, to take umbrage at them.
So Jews are a widely-hated minority, are they? And it is self-defeating of them to take umbrage at those who hate them?
I see.
Substitute "Muslims" in your formulation. Then perhaps you may be able to see how loathsome your statement sounds.
I can only assume this is a London / English thing. In all my life I have never heard anyone say anything negative about Jews ( apart from on Television ) or for that matter hear much said about them at all. maybe I live a sheltered life but it all seems very odd.
Me neither. It's something I thought was dead and gone here.
Excluding don't knows and wouldn't votes Leave has a 20 point lead over Remain in a hypothetical referendum on Britain's membership of the Eurovision Song Contest
Actually, when it comes to Eurovision, I'm a Remainer for the shits & giggles. Albeit i wish we didn't pay quite so much money into it.
It's absolutely hilarious, each and every year, and continually reminds me why I'm an EU Leaver.
The UK has won Eurovision only ONCE since the Single European Act of 1986!
Believe in BRITAIN!
Be LEAVE!
And that was with an American.
1 in 30. Roughly our statistical chance if all entrants are considered equally capable ...
Bearing in mind that UK artists take iirc something like 12% of worldwide sales it's a pretty poor return. That being said, no serious UK artist will touch Eurovision with a barge pole these days.
Excluding don't knows and wouldn't votes Leave has a 20 point lead over Remain in a hypothetical referendum on Britain's membership of the Eurovision Song Contest
Actually, when it comes to Eurovision, I'm a Remainer for the shits & giggles. Albeit i wish we didn't pay quite so much money into it.
It's absolutely hilarious, each and every year, and continually reminds me why I'm an EU Leaver.
The UK has won Eurovision only ONCE since the Single European Act of 1986!
Believe in BRITAIN!
Be LEAVE!
And that was with an American.
1 in 30. Roughly our statistical chance if all entrants are considered equally capable ...
Bearing in mind that UK artists take iirc something like 12% of worldwide sales it's a pretty poor return. That being said, no serious UK artist will touch Eurovision with a barge pole these days.
That was also true in the Beatles' heyday. And ever since...
I do wonder whether anti-semitism swung enough votes away from Labour to make the difference required for a Tory majority last year. It is hard to differentiate antisemitism from Eds genuine crapness though.
Of course, the other Labour Luvvie in the PPB, former Coronation street actor, Sally Lindsay wouldn't have one of those 'tax efficient' 'Company' thingies.....would she?
Excluding don't knows and wouldn't votes Leave has a 20 point lead over Remain in a hypothetical referendum on Britain's membership of the Eurovision Song Contest
Actually, when it comes to Eurovision, I'm a Remainer for the shits & giggles. Albeit i wish we didn't pay quite so much money into it.
It's absolutely hilarious, each and every year, and continually reminds me why I'm an EU Leaver.
The UK has won Eurovision only ONCE since the Single European Act of 1986!
Believe in BRITAIN!
Be LEAVE!
And that was with an American.
1 in 30. Roughly our statistical chance if all entrants are considered equally capable ...
Bearing in mind that UK artists take iirc something like 12% of worldwide sales it's a pretty poor return. That being said, no serious UK artist will touch Eurovision with a barge pole these days.
Of course, the other Labour Luvvie in the PPB, former Coronation street actor, Sally Lindsay wouldn't have one of those 'tax efficient' 'Company' thingies.....would she?
I do wonder whether anti-semitism swung enough votes away from Labour to make the difference required for a Tory majority last year. It is hard to differentiate antisemitism from Eds genuine crapness though.
I doubt it. Given the vast publicly given to Milliband eating bacon incompetently, how many people would really have thought him Jewish?
Is there any material evidence outside slightly desparate tinfoilery of religion being an issue? Ethnicity yes, but the relevant ethnicity was Celtic.
Excluding don't knows and wouldn't votes Leave has a 20 point lead over Remain in a hypothetical referendum on Britain's membership of the Eurovision Song Contest
Actually, when it comes to Eurovision, I'm a Remainer for the shits & giggles. Albeit i wish we didn't pay quite so much money into it.
It's absolutely hilarious, each and every year, and continually reminds me why I'm an EU Leaver.
The UK has won Eurovision only ONCE since the Single European Act of 1986!
Believe in BRITAIN!
Be LEAVE!
And that was with an American.
1 in 30. Roughly our statistical chance if all entrants are considered equally capable ...
Bearing in mind that UK artists take iirc something like 12% of worldwide sales it's a pretty poor return. That being said, no serious UK artist will touch Eurovision with a barge pole these days.
I do wonder whether anti-semitism swung enough votes away from Labour to make the difference required for a Tory majority last year. It is hard to differentiate antisemitism from Eds genuine crapness though.
I think it did - the Sun's front page on the day before the GE was a "dog whistle" call to the electorate not to vote for EM: it was the photo of him making a pig's ear of eating a bacon sarnie.
In 2010, I told a close colleague (who as a Labour candidate last year narrowly failed to win the marginal seat that he was contesting) that Labour's choice of leader then would come back to haunt them for this reason.
Excluding don't knows and wouldn't votes Leave has a 20 point lead over Remain in a hypothetical referendum on Britain's membership of the Eurovision Song Contest
Actually, when it comes to Eurovision, I'm a Remainer for the shits & giggles. Albeit i wish we didn't pay quite so much money into it.
It's absolutely hilarious, each and every year, and continually reminds me why I'm an EU Leaver.
The UK has won Eurovision only ONCE since the Single European Act of 1986!
Believe in BRITAIN!
Be LEAVE!
And that was with an American.
1 in 30. Roughly our statistical chance if all entrants are considered equally capable ...
Bearing in mind that UK artists take iirc something like 12% of worldwide sales it's a pretty poor return. That being said, no serious UK artist will touch Eurovision with a barge pole these days.
That was also true in the Beatles' heyday. And ever since...
The Beatles were a bit before my time. Wasn't it the case that Eurovision was supposed to be for undiscovered acts rather than established performers back then?
Of course, the other Labour Luvvie in the PPB, former Coronation street actor, Sally Lindsay wouldn't have one of those 'tax efficient' 'Company' thingies.....would she?
"And have you ever actually heard the words to the London football version of “In my Liverpool Home”?"
I think most footie fans have.
But living in Merseyside, I have to admit they do make good comedians. Here's one from a local recently ...
"When I was a young man in the seventies, we chatted the women up differently to today's lads. Then we asked "Have you got a job?" We couldn't afford to pay for everything.
In the eighties, it was "have you any children?" In the nineties, it was "Have your children got the same father?"
Nowadays, it's "How long have you been a woman?"
Notice on a Liverpool Parish Church board.
What will you do if Christ came to Liverpool?
The handwritten answer was - move St John to outside right and play Christ at centre-forward.
Scottish nationalists, Brexiteers and Corbynistas have much in common, all utterly certain of what’s - and who’s - wrong but utterly vacuous when challenged to produce a coherent alternative. But like any party or movement that begins with a conclusion (independence/Brexit/socialism) and then works backwards, intellectual contortions are inevitable.
Their respective supporters don’t much care, too busy seeing what what they want to see, hearing what they want to hear, hypercritical of their opponents but strangely forgiving of their own tribe’s frequent lapses and lack of detail.
WRT London Mayor and Boris specifically.. he was great because he defeated the utterly loathsome Ken Livingstone, Boris was the man for the moment. As far as any other career moves are concerned, I think that's hit the buffers head on.
Clearly Ken has stuff and needs help. Labour shouldn't let him back in until they are satisfied he has got professional help. For our part, we should not forget that he beat the Party system in the first Mayoral election, which no one else has come close to doing.
May I assume that Peebies generally think that JC has handled the issue well, given that all the bile has been directed at Ken (who has deserved all he's got)?
Corbyn is joined at the hip to Ken Livingstone.. and Corbyn couldn't handle anything well. He is the black knight
Given that JC was elected as Party leader (and would be re-elected to-morrow, surely) I repeat my question: what advantage do you see in the legality of a Party that behaves as Labour does to-day? If you find that offensive (which can only be because you enjoy taking offence where none is meant) let me ask a different question: assuming the Tories win a landslide in 2020 - as I think we almost all expect - why do you want Labour to remain the official Opposition, - and if you don't, who do you want to replace them?
In predicting a Tory landslide in 2020 you speak for yourself. The more psephologically aware tend to have a much more open mind.
"And have you ever actually heard the words to the London football version of “In my Liverpool Home”?"
I think most footie fans have.
But living in Merseyside, I have to admit they do make good comedians. Here's one from a local recently ...
"When I was a young man in the seventies, we chatted the women up differently to today's lads. Then we asked "Have you got a job?" We couldn't afford to pay for everything.
In the eighties, it was "have you any children?" In the nineties, it was "Have your children got the same father?"
Nowadays, it's "How long have you been a woman?"
Notice on a Liverpool Parish Church board.
What will you do if Christ came to Liverpool?
The handwritten answer was - move St John to outside right and play Christ at centre-forward.
Rubbish. Jesus should play either in goal (Jesus saves) or arguably on the wing. He knows a lot about crosses...
WRT London Mayor and Boris specifically.. he was great because he defeated the utterly loathsome Ken Livingstone, Boris was the man for the moment. As far as any other career moves are concerned, I think that's hit the buffers head on.
Clearly Ken has stuff and needs help. Labour shouldn't let him back in until they are satisfied he has got professional help. For our part, we should not forget that he beat the Party system in the first Mayoral election, which no one else has come close to doing.
May I assume that Peebies generally think that JC has handled the issue well, given that all the bile has been directed at Ken (who has deserved all he's got)?
Corbyn is joined at the hip to Ken Livingstone.. and Corbyn couldn't handle anything well. He is the black knight
Given that JC was elected as Party leader (and would be re-elected to-morrow, surely) I repeat my question: what advantage do you see in the legality of a Party that behaves as Labour does to-day? If you find that offensive (which can only be because you enjoy taking offence where none is meant) let me ask a different question: assuming the Tories win a landslide in 2020 - as I think we almost all expect - why do you want Labour to remain the official Opposition, - and if you don't, who do you want to replace them?
In predicting a Tory landslide in 2020 you speak for yourself. The more psephologically aware tend to have a much more open mind.
I got £100 off Bill 'Ill last year by predicting a Tory majority. Let's see how the land lies on Friday.
"And have you ever actually heard the words to the London football version of “In my Liverpool Home”?"
I think most footie fans have.
But living in Merseyside, I have to admit they do make good comedians. Here's one from a local recently ...
"When I was a young man in the seventies, we chatted the women up differently to today's lads. Then we asked "Have you got a job?" We couldn't afford to pay for everything.
In the eighties, it was "have you any children?" In the nineties, it was "Have your children got the same father?"
Nowadays, it's "How long have you been a woman?"
Notice on a Liverpool Parish Church board.
What will you do if Christ came to Liverpool?
The handwritten answer was - move St John to outside right and play Christ at centre-forward.
Rubbish. Jesus should play either in goal (Jesus saves) or arguably on the wing. He knows a lot about crosses...
Jesus saves - not on my salary...
Jesus saves - but Keegan / Dalglish/ Rush / Aldridge gets the rebound.
Of course, the other Labour Luvvie in the PPB, former Coronation street actor, Sally Lindsay wouldn't have one of those 'tax efficient' 'Company' thingies.....would she?
WRT London Mayor and Boris specifically.. he was great because he defeated the utterly loathsome Ken Livingstone, Boris was the man for the moment. As far as any other career moves are concerned, I think that's hit the buffers head on.
Clearly Ken has stuff and needs help. Labour shouldn't let him back in until they are satisfied he has got professional help. For our part, we should not forget that he beat the Party system in the first Mayoral election, which no one else has come close to doing.
May I assume that Peebies generally think that JC has handled the issue well, given that all the bile has been directed at Ken (who has deserved all he's got)?
Corbyn is joined at the hip to Ken Livingstone.. and Corbyn couldn't handle anything well. He is the black knight
Given that JC was elected as Party leader (and would be re-elected to-morrow, surely) I repeat my question: what advantage do you see in the legality of a Party that behaves as Labour does to-day? If you find that offensive (which can only be because you enjoy taking offence where none is meant) let me ask a different question: assuming the Tories win a landslide in 2020 - as I think we almost all expect - why do you want Labour to remain the official Opposition, - and if you don't, who do you want to replace them?
In predicting a Tory landslide in 2020 you speak for yourself. The more psephologically aware tend to have a much more open mind.
A lot of people on this site who thought of themselves as 'psephologically aware' ended up with egg on their faces last May.
That hasn't stopped them continuing to pretend they are sharper than everyone else though.
The current furore is not really about anti-Semitism, which is being deliberately conflated with anti-Zionism by both Zionists and anti-Semites. It is, as a leading union leader Len McCluskey has clearly stated, a deliberate attempt by Jeremy Corbyn's opponents within Labour to undermine his leadership and a cynical attempt to manipulate anti-Semitism for political aims. In essence it is a Blairite conspiracy - one of the leading protagonists is Lord Levy, close friend and confidant of the former PM.
That a lot of hand waving and attempting to obscure the issues. There are only two issues that have any relevance here.
1) Did they say or write what is reported 2) Are those sort of views acceptable for elected politicians to hold in today's UK
As for the conspiracy ? I think you need a new tiny foil hat tbh, but even if it was true, if they hadn't said and written those things, there would be no case to answer, no scandal, and no crisis.
The answer to both questions is YES. This is a manufactured crisis by Blairites/Zionists who regard views other than their own as unacceptable.
Those antisemitic views are disgusting and unacceptable.
I am neither a Blairite nor a zionist.
I don't support the views of Ken Livingstone or Naz Shah either, but they have a right to express such views and it is self-defeating, particularly for a widely hated minority, to take umbrage at them.
It is self defeating for a hated minority to take umbrage at hatred? Wow.
Do you say the same about all such hatred or only anti-Semitism?
As a Tory I get quite a bit of abuse on Twitter from official Labour twitter handles. And I am a nobody. Labour has a large number of vile members. Labour have a institutionalised racist group in their party.
All parties have 'vile members'. Remember John Carlisle the openly pro Apartheid Tory MP and all those Young Tories happy to wear T-Shirts with the slogan 'Hang Nelson Mandela!' Many on here have clearly forgotten how pro-Ian Smith and Rhodesia many Tories were in the 1960s and 70s - including Thatcher! It was never necessary to look further than The Monday Club to discover how riddled with racism a significant section of the Tory party has been over the years.
Excluding don't knows and wouldn't votes Leave has a 20 point lead over Remain in a hypothetical referendum on Britain's membership of the Eurovision Song Contest
Actually, when it comes to Eurovision, I'm a Remainer for the shits & giggles. Albeit i wish we didn't pay quite so much money into it.
It's absolutely hilarious, each and every year, and continually reminds me why I'm an EU Leaver.
The UK has won Eurovision only ONCE since the Single European Act of 1986!
Believe in BRITAIN!
Be LEAVE!
And that was with an American.
1 in 30. Roughly our statistical chance if all entrants are considered equally capable ...
Bearing in mind that UK artists take iirc something like 12% of worldwide sales it's a pretty poor return. That being said, no serious UK artist will touch Eurovision with a barge pole these days.
That was also true in the Beatles' heyday. And ever since...
The Beatles were a bit before my time. Wasn't it the case that Eurovision was supposed to be for undiscovered acts rather than established performers back then?
I think it was more that all mainland Europe pop was so relentlessly awful that any act outsde the UK was going to be undiscovered - and highly likely to stay that way...
The current furore is not really about anti-Semitism, which is being deliberately conflated with anti-Zionism by both Zionists and anti-Semites. It is, as a leading union leader Len McCluskey has clearly stated, a deliberate attempt by Jeremy Corbyn's opponents within Labour to undermine his leadership and a cynical attempt to manipulate anti-Semitism for political aims. In essence it is a Blairite conspiracy - one of the leading protagonists is Lord Levy, close friend and confidant of the former PM.
That a lot of hand waving and attempting to obscure the issues. There are only two issues that have any relevance here.
1) Did they say or write what is reported 2) Are those sort of views acceptable for elected politicians to hold in today's UK
As for the conspiracy ? I think you need a new tiny foil hat tbh, but even if it was true, if they hadn't said and written those things, there would be no case to answer, no scandal, and no crisis.
The answer to both questions is YES. This is a manufactured crisis by Blairites/Zionists who regard views other than their own as unacceptable.
Those antisemitic views are disgusting and unacceptable.
I am neither a Blairite nor a zionist.
I don't support the views of Ken Livingstone or Naz Shah either, but they have a right to express such views and it is self-defeating, particularly for a widely hated minority, to take umbrage at them.
It is self defeating for a hated minority to take umbrage at hatred? Wow.
Do you say the same about all such hatred or only anti-Semitism?
As a Tory I get quite a bit of abuse on Twitter from official Labour twitter handles. And I am a nobody. Labour has a large number of vile members. Labour have a institutionalised racist group in their party.
All parties have 'vile members'. Remember John Carlisle the openly pro Apartheid Tory MP and all those Young Tories happy to wear T-Shirts with the slogan 'Hang Nelson Mandela!' Many on here have clearly forgotten how pro-Ian Smith and Rhodesia many Tories were in the 1960s and 70s - including Thatcher! It was never necessary to look further than The Monday Club to discover how riddled with racism a significant section of the Tory party has been over the years.
Oddly enough though it was Wilson aboard Tiger who offered Smith almost everything he wanted. Smith was too dim to accept.
The current furore is not really about anti-Semitism, which is being deliberately conflated with anti-Zionism by both Zionists and anti-Semites. It is, as a leading union leader Len McCluskey has clearly stated, a deliberate attempt by Jeremy Corbyn's opponents within Labour to undermine his leadership and a cynical attempt to manipulate anti-Semitism for political aims. In essence it is a Blairite conspiracy - one of the leading protagonists is Lord Levy, close friend and confidant of the former PM.
That a lot of hand waving and attempting to obscure the issues. There are only two issues that have any relevance here.
1) Did they say or write what is reported 2) Are those sort of views acceptable for elected politicians to hold in today's UK
As for the conspiracy ? I think you need a new tiny foil hat tbh, but even if it was true, if they hadn't said and written those things, there would be no case to answer, no scandal, and no crisis.
The answer to both questions is YES. This is a manufactured crisis by Blairites/Zionists who regard views other than their own as unacceptable.
Those antisemitic views are disgusting and unacceptable.
I am neither a Blairite nor a zionist.
I don't support the views of Ken Livingstone or Naz Shah either, but they have a right to express such views and it is self-defeating, particularly for a widely hated minority, to take umbrage at them.
It is self defeating for a hated minority to take umbrage at hatred? Wow.
Do you say the same about all such hatred or only anti-Semitism?
As a Tory I get quite a bit of abuse on Twitter from official Labour twitter handles. And I am a nobody. Labour has a large number of vile members. Labour have a institutionalised racist group in their party.
All parties have 'vile members'. Remember John Carlisle the openly pro Apartheid Tory MP and all those Young Tories happy to wear T-Shirts with the slogan 'Hang Nelson Mandela!' Many on here have clearly forgotten how pro-Ian Smith and Rhodesia many Tories were in the 1960s and 70s - including Thatcher! It was never necessary to look further than The Monday Club to discover how riddled with racism a significant section of the Tory party has been over the years.
That you have to go back to the 70s to make a case against the Tories says so much about the difference between the main parties today.
'Using the average of the latest opinion poll results, including the Opinium/Observer poll carried out after the antisemitism row last week, Steve Fisher, of Oxford University, one of the country’s leading elections experts, predicts that Labour could be on course for losses of 175 local council seats, while the Conservatives could gain 30.
On the national equivalent vote share, which tends to be a good predictor of subsequent general elections, Labour looks likely to be one percentage point behind the Conservatives'
However Liz Kendall reckons we should make 400 gains. No agenda there Liz.
No - she is just psephologically ignorant - as indeed are many politicians.
The current furore is not really about anti-Semitism, which is being deliberately conflated with anti-Zionism by both Zionists and anti-Semites. It is, as a leading union leader Len McCluskey has clearly stated, a deliberate attempt by Jeremy Corbyn's opponents within Labour to undermine his leadership and a cynical attempt to manipulate anti-Semitism for political aims. In essence it is a Blairite conspiracy - one of the leading protagonists is Lord Levy, close friend and confidant of the former PM.
That a lot of hand waving and attempting to obscure the issues. There are only two issues that have any relevance here.
1) Did they say or write what is reported 2) Are those sort of views acceptable for elected politicians to hold in today's UK
As for the conspiracy ? I think you need a new tiny foil hat tbh, but even if it was true, if they hadn't said and written those things, there would be no case to answer, no scandal, and no crisis.
The answer to both questions is YES. This is a manufactured crisis by Blairites/Zionists who regard views other than their own as unacceptable.
Those antisemitic views are disgusting and unacceptable.
I am neither a Blairite nor a zionist.
I don't support the views of Ken Livingstone or Naz Shah either, but they have a right to express such views and it is self-defeating, particularly for a widely hated minority, to take umbrage at them.
It is self defeating for a hated minority to take umbrage at hatred? Wow.
Do you say the same about all such hatred or only anti-Semitism?
As a Tory I get quite a bit of abuse on Twitter from official Labour twitter handles. And I am a nobody. Labour has a large number of vile members. Labour have a institutionalised racist group in their party.
All parties have 'vile members'. Remember John Carlisle the openly pro Apartheid Tory MP and all those Young Tories happy to wear T-Shirts with the slogan 'Hang Nelson Mandela!' Many on here have clearly forgotten how pro-Ian Smith and Rhodesia many Tories were in the 1960s and 70s - including Thatcher! It was never necessary to look further than The Monday Club to discover how riddled with racism a significant section of the Tory party has been over the years.
That you have to go back to the 70s to make a case against the Tories says so much about the difference between the main parties today.
All parties have 'vile members'. Remember John Carlisle the openly pro Apartheid Tory MP and all those Young Tories happy to wear T-Shirts with the slogan 'Hang Nelson Mandela!' Many on here have clearly forgotten how pro-Ian Smith and Rhodesia many Tories were in the 1960s and 70s - including Thatcher! It was never necessary to look further than The Monday Club to discover how riddled with racism a significant section of the Tory party has been over the years.
But of course Cameron doesn't give speeches to Neo Nazi's, promotes people with views like Ken or Milne and calls terrorists friends...thats why it is a problem for Labour, the leadership is tied up in it.
Its not just me saying it, it is Labour supporters such as SO. What I would call the sensible voice of reason among centre left voters.
The Tory Party and the Labour Party have changed massively in the last quarter of a century. Each in a different direction of travel when it comes to tolerance and discrimination.
Why do apologists for the Racists in the Labour Party hark back to the 70s..when we are all discussing very recent events..such as two Labour Poilticians being suspended within the last week..for blatant Racism..
True, but Labour are the party who criticise others most. When the fire is returned, it's either untrue, a smear, or they claim what about Mr X in the 1960s.... therefore it's alright.
If the cap fits ...
I suspect that in Ken's case, it's as much gormlessness as anti-Semitism, but if it were the other way round, Ken would be the first to demand blood.
The current furore is not really about anti-Semitism, which is being deliberately conflated with anti-Zionism by both Zionists and anti-Semites. It is, as a leading union leader Len McCluskey has clearly stated, a deliberate attempt by Jeremy Corbyn's opponents within Labour to undermine his leadership and a cynical attempt to manipulate anti-Semitism for political aims. In essence it is a Blairite conspiracy - one of the leading protagonists is Lord Levy, close friend and confidant of the former PM.
That a lot of hand waving and attempting to obscure the issues. There are only two issues that have any relevance here.
1) Did they say or write what is reported 2) Are those sort of views acceptable for elected politicians to hold in today's UK
As for the conspiracy ? I think you need a new tiny foil hat tbh, but even if it was true, if they hadn't said and written those things, there would be no case to answer, no scandal, and no crisis.
The answer to both questions is YES. This is a manufactured crisis by Blairites/Zionists who regard views other than their own as unacceptable.
Those antisemitic views are disgusting and unacceptable.
I am neither a Blairite nor a zionist.
I don't support the views of Ken Livingstone or Naz Shah either, but they have a right to express such views and it is self-defeating, particularly for a widely hated minority, to take umbrage at them.
It is self defeating for a hated minority to take umbrage at hatred? Wow.
Do you say the same about all such hatred or only anti-Semitism?
As a Tory I get quite a bit of abuse on Twitter from official Labour twitter handles. And I am a nobody. Labour has a large number of vile members. Labour have a institutionalised racist group in their party.
All parties have 'vile members'. Remember John Carlisle the openly pro Apartheid Tory MP and all those Young Tories happy to wear T-Shirts with the slogan 'Hang Nelson Mandela!' Many on here have clearly forgotten how pro-Ian Smith and Rhodesia many Tories were in the 1960s and 70s - including Thatcher! It was never necessary to look further than The Monday Club to discover how riddled with racism a significant section of the Tory party has been over the years.
That you have to go back to the 70s to make a case against the Tories says so much about the difference between the main parties today.
@justin124 also made many Nazi related posts here just a few months ago.
The Daily Mail article would not have lost any votes. Mental lefties would not read The Mail, and were already going to vote Labour. It's a good article.
I suppose we should expect nothing less from the present day equivalent of Der Volkischer Beobachter!
WRT London Mayor and Boris specifically.. he was great because he defeated the utterly loathsome Ken Livingstone, Boris was the man for the moment. As far as any other career moves are concerned, I think that's hit the buffers head on.
Clearly Ken has stuff and needs help. Labour shouldn't let him back in until they are satisfied he has got professional help. For our part, we should not forget that he beat the Party system in the first Mayoral election, which no one else has come close to doing.
May I assume that Peebies generally think that JC has handled the issue well, given that all the bile has been directed at Ken (who has deserved all he's got)?
Corbyn is joined at the hip to Ken Livingstone.. and Corbyn couldn't handle anything well. He is the black knight
Given that JC was elected as Party leader (and would be re-elected to-morrow, surely) I repeat my question: what advantage do you see in the legality of a Party that behaves as Labour does to-day? If you find that offensive (which can only be because you enjoy taking offence where none is meant) let me ask a different question: assuming the Tories win a landslide in 2020 - as I think we almost all expect - why do you want Labour to remain the official Opposition, - and if you don't, who do you want to replace them?
In predicting a Tory landslide in 2020 you speak for yourself. The more psephologically aware tend to have a much more open mind.
I got £100 off Bill 'Ill last year by predicting a Tory majority. Let's see how the land lies on Friday.
Even on present polling Labour is doing about the same as last May and the Tories only won a small majority then, not a landslide. If EU ref is a narrow Remain and some Tory Leave voters shift to UKIP the most likely outcome is a hung parliament
True, but Labour are the party who criticise others most. When the fire is returned, it's either untrue, a smear, or they claim what about Mr X in the 1960s.... therefore it's alright.
If the cap fits ...
I suspect that in Ken's case, it's as much gormlessness as anti-Semitism, but if it were the other way round, Ken would be the first to demand blood.
Remember he called for Cameron to be locked up only a few weeks ago...
True, but Labour are the party who criticise others most. When the fire is returned, it's either untrue, a smear, or they claim what about Mr X in the 1960s.... therefore it's alright.
If the cap fits ...
I suspect that in Ken's case, it's as much gormlessness as anti-Semitism, but if it were the other way round, Ken would be the first to demand blood.
I don't buy the Ken is 'gormless' routine. He claims he has an interest in Germany in 1930s and has done so for years. He's been a frontline pol for years - he knows the meaning of words and their weight in public arena.
However Liz Kendall reckons we should make 400 gains. No agenda there Liz.
You should make 400 gains with the Tories busy knifing each other as publically as possible. You won't because your party is lead by a pointless tit in a beard, and it's entire media management operation appears to have had a collecting nervous breakdown thus leaving Ken to give unique and interesting interviews for most of the past week.
Thanks for your concern!
Perhaps the correct thing to say is that we would need to be making around 400 gains to be on track to win a majority in 2020. But then who really thinks we'll do that?
Labour lost several hundred seats in both 1960 and 1961 but still went on to win the 1964 election. On the other hand, despite big gains at the May 1970 local elections Labour lost the General Election a mere five weeks later!
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Definitely for Remain: 19 per cent ( + 2 per cent).
Definitely for Leave: 59 per cent ( – 1 per cent).
Leaning to Remain: 9 per cent ( + 1 per cent).
Leaning to Leave: 10 per cent ( – 3 per cent).
Yet again, the sheer consistency of the survey shines through the returns."
https://twitter.com/RupTroop/status/727029067510341632
If only ...
http://www.may2015.com/ideas/the-british-are-open-to-a-jewish-pm-but-ukippers-are-less-welcoming-than-others/
Interesting findings. What it shows is what most of the non hysterical already know. Racists and anti Semites are more likely to be attracted to the Tories than Labour and are much more likely to be attracted to UKIP who many must see as a home for anti Semites.
Beyond that it shows that anti semitism is vitually non existant among Labour Party supporters but much less so among the supporters of right wing parties. as has always been the case
Believe in BRITAIN!
Be LEAVE!
And, on that extremely crude bombshell, I will get my coat, and Leave you all to it.
It was a meme tim pushed for years. Until he had to retreat in the face of overwhelming evidence that "Tories - always wrong, never learn..." was just so much horse-shit.
And the voting is a wonderful reminder of why Johnny European just can't be trusted with democracy...
Oh dear god, crawl off under your stone you loathsome POS
I remember the first time I went to Upton Park in the 1970's someone had painted a swastika and the words "Hitler was Right. Gas the Jews" above one of the entrances. The place was swarming with people outside selling papers for the NF and British Movement.
"Spurs are on their way to Auschwitz, Hitler's going to gas them again" is still sung frequently. There was another one called "There are No Showers at White Hart Lane", the gist of which was that the showers were gas chambers, and it would finish with the fans hissing, which was meant to be the sound of poison gas.
A friend of mine has a season ticket for Chelsea and invited me a few years ago. He assured me that this sort of thing didn't happen any more, when lo and behold, a bunch of boneheads started chanting "The Yids, the Yids, we've gotta get rid of the Yids" (and they were only playing Derby County).
http://order-order.com/2016/05/02/labour-suspends-relocate-jews-councillor/
No problem though, none at all.
https://twitter.com/GuidoFawkes/status/727081403674927104
As if that was the worst thing he's done.
I suppose it's good in a way that under the current Labour leadership these bottom feeders feel able to spout their poison in public.
Sunlight will be the best disinfectant.
Or 'Tory' Lewis Duckworth who is worth quoting in full "Well, most (Jews) have been here longer than other minorities, and, in contrast to muslims, they all speak English, don't have their womenfolk kitted out in bin-liners, don't send recruits to Syria, and don't require 24/7 surveillance by our security services.
This casual racism is endemic on here for no other reason than it's populated by Tories and Ukipers. Labour supporters have been standing up for minorities against the 'Dixies' and the 'Lewis Duckworths' for years.
Admit it, you've seen someone post something like that seriously.
Tories are much more individual, though as they are demons from hell, it hardly matters.
Good day to all.
We won it three times in the period 1973 to 2016 (43 years, on average once every 14.3 years)
https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/727058910645886976
Usual renta-luvvie, and while the claims may not bear (too) much scrutiny (eg the 'rich' are now paying more income tax than they ever did under Labour) its probably persuasive - classic 'send a message to the government' (and don't look too closely at us...)
Perhaps I missed his comments on that POS daodao.
Banking and Financial Dealings Act 1971
Commencing in 1965, on an experimental basis, the August Bank Holiday weekend was observed at the end of August "to give a lead in extending British holidays over a longer summer period".[7] Each year's date was announced in Parliament on an ad-hoc basis, to the despair of the calendar and diary publishing trade.[8] The rule seems to have been to select the weekend of the last Saturday in August, so that in 1968[9] and 1969[10] Bank Holiday Monday actually fell in September.
A century after the 1871 Act, the Banking and Financial Dealings Act 1971, which currently regulates bank holidays in the UK, was passed.[11] The majority of the current bank holidays were specified in the 1971 Act: however New Year's Day and May Day were not introduced throughout the whole of the UK until 1974 and 1978 respectively.[12] The date of the August bank holiday was changed from the first Monday in August to the last Monday in August, and the Whitsun bank holiday (Whit Monday) was replaced by the Late Spring Bank Holiday, fixed as the last Monday in May.[13] In 1978 the first Monday in May in the rest of the UK, and the final Monday of May in Scotland, were designated as bank holidays.[14]
In January 2007, the St Andrew's Day Bank Holiday (Scotland) Act 2007 was given royal assent, making 30 November (or the nearest Monday if a weekend) a bank holiday in Scotland.[15]
So the legislation was from 1971, but the changes were not introduced immediately. Wison got the blame in 1974 for Heath's legislation.
"And have you ever actually heard the words to the London football version of “In my Liverpool Home”?"
I think most footie fans have.
But living in Merseyside, I have to admit they do make good comedians. Here's one from a local recently ...
"When I was a young man in the seventies, we chatted the women up differently to today's lads. Then we asked "Have you got a job?" We couldn't afford to pay for everything.
In the eighties, it was "have you any children?" In the nineties, it was "Have your children got the same father?"
Nowadays, it's "How long have you been a woman?"
http://order-order.com/2016/04/06/labour-ppb-stars-accountants-specialise-in-offshore-tax-avoidance/
Taking lessons, maybe......
That being said, no serious UK artist will touch Eurovision with a barge pole these days.
I do wonder whether anti-semitism swung enough votes away from Labour to make the difference required for a Tory majority last year. It is hard to differentiate antisemitism from Eds genuine crapness though.
https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/04935336/officers
Is there any material evidence outside slightly desparate tinfoilery of religion being an issue? Ethnicity yes, but the relevant ethnicity was Celtic.
In 2010, I told a close colleague (who as a Labour candidate last year narrowly failed to win the marginal seat that he was contesting) that Labour's choice of leader then would come back to haunt them for this reason.
Wasn't it the case that Eurovision was supposed to be for undiscovered acts rather than established performers back then?
What will you do if Christ came to Liverpool?
The handwritten answer was - move St John to outside right and play Christ at centre-forward.
Scottish nationalists, Brexiteers and Corbynistas have much in common, all utterly certain of what’s - and who’s - wrong but utterly vacuous when challenged to produce a coherent alternative. But like any party or movement that begins with a conclusion (independence/Brexit/socialism) and then works backwards, intellectual contortions are inevitable.
Their respective supporters don’t much care, too busy seeing what what they want to see, hearing what they want to hear, hypercritical of their opponents but strangely forgiving of their own tribe’s frequent lapses and lack of detail.
http://www.heraldscotland.com/opinion/14464869.David_Torrance__Scottish_nationalists_and_Brexiteers_have_much_in_common__Both_are_utterly_vacuous/?ref=twtrec
Jesus saves - but Keegan / Dalglish/ Rush / Aldridge gets the rebound.
That hasn't stopped them continuing to pretend they are sharper than everyone else though.
"Jesus saves - but Keegan / Dalglish/ Rush / Aldridge gets the rebound."
You beat me to it.
What did Nicola hold?
VOTE NOW!!!
https://www.buzzfeed.com/jamieross/nicola-sturgeon-becomes-a-bizarre-photoshop-conspiracy?utm_term=.bqkdd4OnM#.ltReenyk0
http://www.politico.com/blogs/2016-gop-primary-live-updates-and-results/2016/05/trump-china-rape-america-222689
Its not just me saying it, it is Labour supporters such as SO. What I would call the sensible voice of reason among centre left voters.
The Tory Party and the Labour Party have changed massively in the last quarter of a century. Each in a different direction of travel when it comes to tolerance and discrimination.
"All parties have 'vile members'"
True, but Labour are the party who criticise others most. When the fire is returned, it's either untrue, a smear, or they claim what about Mr X in the 1960s.... therefore it's alright.
If the cap fits ...
I suspect that in Ken's case, it's as much gormlessness as anti-Semitism, but if it were the other way round, Ken would be the first to demand blood.
http://order-order.com/2016/05/02/labour-suspends-relocate-jews-councillor/#disqus_thread