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  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,309
    edited May 2016
    "Elsewhere, on our regular voting intention for the referendum question, there is no movement at worth noting.

    Definitely for Remain: 19 per cent ( + 2 per cent).
    Definitely for Leave: 59 per cent ( – 1 per cent).
    Leaning to Remain: 9 per cent ( + 1 per cent).
    Leaning to Leave: 10 per cent ( – 3 per cent).

    Yet again, the sheer consistency of the survey shines through the returns."
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    This is one for the books. Fancy this turning up.
    https://twitter.com/RupTroop/status/727029067510341632
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,180

    Bit harsh on Pooh Bear there....he was quite philosophical in a head made of fluff kind of way, unlike most of the Wright Stuff panel...
    I am sure I still have Winnie the Pooh on Management hidden away somewhere.
  • Firty-free fevvers on a frushes froat? Or firty fousand fevvers on a frush?
    Well, thuck me.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,458
    edited May 2016
    Southam Observer


    If only ...

    http://www.may2015.com/ideas/the-british-are-open-to-a-jewish-pm-but-ukippers-are-less-welcoming-than-others/


    Interesting findings. What it shows is what most of the non hysterical already know. Racists and anti Semites are more likely to be attracted to the Tories than Labour and are much more likely to be attracted to UKIP who many must see as a home for anti Semites.

    Beyond that it shows that anti semitism is vitually non existant among Labour Party supporters but much less so among the supporters of right wing parties. as has always been the case
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,674

    Actually, when it comes to Eurovision, I'm a Remainer for the shits & giggles. Albeit i wish we didn't pay quite so much money into it.

    It's absolutely hilarious, each and every year, and continually reminds me why I'm an EU Leaver.
    The UK has won Eurovision only ONCE since the Single European Act of 1986!

    Believe in BRITAIN!

    Be LEAVE!
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822

    Firty-free fevvers on a frushes froat? Or firty fousand fevvers on a frush?
    I worked with a young lady once who was prone to outbursts. Her most memorable was Do you fink I'm fick or somefink? Alas she was.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,309
    MikeK said:

    This is RUBBISH. Tory and Labour two sides of the same coin, with the L/Dems and Greens milling round the edge. Not only that but UKIP have a hole in the middle which needs filling.
    Final sentence: what you say about UKIP; Sandy says about Priti Patel.

    And, on that extremely crude bombshell, I will get my coat, and Leave you all to it.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,553
    murali_s said:

    Indeed - Tories are ALWAYS wrong...
    Little Leftie heads explode at the notion that the Tories might possibly be right. About anything.

    It was a meme tim pushed for years. Until he had to retreat in the face of overwhelming evidence that "Tories - always wrong, never learn..." was just so much horse-shit.
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    DavidL said:

    I am sure I still have Winnie the Pooh on Management hidden away somewhere.
    I bet you sold his Poo Sticks.
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822

    I'm a Spectator subscriber.

    Spectator will go all the way to Leave without actually saying it IMHO.

    It's editor, Fraser Nelson, is a Remainer but most of its journalists and readers are Leavers.
    How much is it a year?
  • richardDoddrichardDodd Posts: 5,472
    Roger has flipped..again....
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 43,338
    DavidL said:

    To be honest I thought the whole thing was pretty uninspiring including Nicola. Kezia looked and sounded largely glaikit, Harvie was just infuriatingly stupid, Rennie was dull and pointless, Ruth struggled to get her say with people consistently talking over her and Nicola seemed to think that every attack on her policies was some form of personal insult.

    It is indeed depressing that this is apparently the best that Scotland can offer.
    Poor old Ruth, prevented from raising the level of discourse to photo ops with tanks, buffaloes and boat trips.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 34,569

    I worked with a young lady once who was prone to outbursts. Her most memorable was Do you fink I'm fick or somefink? Alas she was.
    My (Lancastrian) wife, when a student ,did a send up of an elocution course, which included the line “Coom, coom, there is only wun bun"
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,594
    MikeK said:

    This is one for the books. Fancy this turning up.
    https://twitter.com/RupTroop/status/727029067510341632

    I actually believe Adams' explanation that his use of the no no word was ironic given the fil, he was watching, but it was still bloody stupid.
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    According to my most secret sources Jon Snow is ALIVE and has been regurgitated via Melisandra's backside.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,553

    Actually, when it comes to Eurovision, I'm a Remainer for the shits & giggles. Albeit i wish we didn't pay quite so much money into it.

    It's absolutely hilarious, each and every year, and continually reminds me why I'm an EU Leaver.
    Yes, the music is a wonderful reminder of the huge diversity within Europe.

    And the voting is a wonderful reminder of why Johnny European just can't be trusted with democracy...
  • Innocent_AbroadInnocent_Abroad Posts: 3,294

    Jim Callaghan, 1978.
    A true Tory can't be *rsed to tell one Labour politician from another :o
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    daodao said:

    The answer to both questions is YES. This is a manufactured crisis by Blairites/Zionists who regard views other than their own as unacceptable.
    Loooool

  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,594
    MikeK said:

    According to my most secret sources Jon Snow is ALIVE and has been regurgitated via Melisandra's backside.

    Unusual to say the least, but for narrative satisfaction I'm glad to hear it.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,180
    MikeK said:

    I bet you sold his Poo Sticks.
    No, no they were privatised and then replaced under a PFI contract at great expense in the Blair years.
  • ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133

    The UK has won Eurovision only ONCE since the Single European Act of 1986!

    Believe in BRITAIN!

    Be LEAVE!
    And that was with an American.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    daodao said:

    I don't support the views of Ken Livingstone or Naz Shah either, but they have a right to express such views and it is self-defeating, particularly for a widely hated minority, to take umbrage at them.
    A widely hated minority?

    Oh dear god, crawl off under your stone you loathsome POS
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822

    Yes, the music is a wonderful reminder of the huge diversity within Europe.

    And the voting is a wonderful reminder of why Johnny European just can't be trusted with democracy...
    I adore Eurovision - it's got that sideways-eyes element where you can't tell if an entry is serious or taking the piss.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 38,507
    DavidL said:

    The kind of people who think that is funny or even a good topic for a wind up are literally beyond my comprehension. What are they thinking? It is insane.
    Among football fans, it's hard to know how much of this behaviour is genuinely anti-semitic, and how much is simply taking pleasure in being offensive and shocking (like the fans singing "we hope your kid dies of cancer" to David Beckham).

    I remember the first time I went to Upton Park in the 1970's someone had painted a swastika and the words "Hitler was Right. Gas the Jews" above one of the entrances. The place was swarming with people outside selling papers for the NF and British Movement.

    "Spurs are on their way to Auschwitz, Hitler's going to gas them again" is still sung frequently. There was another one called "There are No Showers at White Hart Lane", the gist of which was that the showers were gas chambers, and it would finish with the fans hissing, which was meant to be the sound of poison gas.

    A friend of mine has a season ticket for Chelsea and invited me a few years ago. He assured me that this sort of thing didn't happen any more, when lo and behold, a bunch of boneheads started chanting "The Yids, the Yids, we've gotta get rid of the Yids" (and they were only playing Derby County).
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    Floater said:

    Loooool

    Last night I posted a Maomentum tweet.
    Hitler=Zionist
    Blair=Zionist

    Therefore Blair=Hitler.
    I didn't expect someone to pop up and seriously say it.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    And another one suspended

    http://order-order.com/2016/05/02/labour-suspends-relocate-jews-councillor/

    No problem though, none at all.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,481
    Mr. kle4, must say I agree.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,525
    MikeK said:
    Dianne will be along shortly to say its only....starts counting on one hand...two hands...shit out of fingers...onto toes....13
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,180
    edited May 2016
    Sean_F said:

    I do recall singing about the more, err, agricultural pastimes of Aberdeen supporters in the 80s and 90s as well as a somewhat different version of the Northern Lights. Football fans can be very funny at their best but that sort of stuff is just sick.

    When you think of the price of Premier League tickets these days most attending will have decent jobs and probably too many are middle class and middle age. It makes this stuff all the more bewildering and frankly explains why Hillsborough had fans trapped in cages.

    Edit, damn seem to have deleted something incorrectly.
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    edited May 2016
    Dear me - Gerry Adams now giving a press intv about his naughty tweet. FFS.

    As if that was the worst thing he's done.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207

    So Jews should either shut up or leave? Anything else is a zionist Blairite conspiracy?

    You're vile.
    Can you imagine what he would say if someone said what he did about sikhs or muslims?

    I suppose it's good in a way that under the current Labour leadership these bottom feeders feel able to spout their poison in public.

    Sunlight will be the best disinfectant.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,180
    Anyway I hope Spurs win tonight. Leicester deserve to win the league, not have it handed to them by default.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,458
    edited May 2016

    Roger has flipped..again....

    You only have to read PB to know the accuracy of what I've just said. Dixie yesterday talked about inviting 'communities' to the House "never the The English". Try using Cyclefree's test down thread adding 'Jewish' to 'communities'

    Or 'Tory' Lewis Duckworth who is worth quoting in full "Well, most (Jews) have been here longer than other minorities, and, in contrast to muslims, they all speak English, don't have their womenfolk kitted out in bin-liners, don't send recruits to Syria, and don't require 24/7 surveillance by our security services.

    This casual racism is endemic on here for no other reason than it's populated by Tories and Ukipers. Labour supporters have been standing up for minorities against the 'Dixies' and the 'Lewis Duckworths' for years.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,594

    A true Tory can't be *rsed to tell one Labour politician from another :o
    That's because they are all part of the amorphous mass of the socialist hive mind, a creature clearly not of this earth given its alien and irrational ideas, which periodically splits off a part of itself to be Labour leader and fool the masses.

    Admit it, you've seen someone post something like that seriously.

    Tories are much more individual, though as they are demons from hell, it hardly matters.

    Good day to all.
  • Innocent_AbroadInnocent_Abroad Posts: 3,294
    kle4 said:

    That's because they are all part of the amorphous mass of the socialist hive mind, a creature clearly not of this earth given its alien and irrational ideas, which periodically splits off a part of itself to be Labour leader and fool the masses.

    Admit it, you've seen someone post something like that seriously.

    Tories are much more individual, though as they are demons from hell, it hardly matters.

    Good day to all.
    And to you, sir, madam or both :)

  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,422

    Roger has flipped..again....

    How could you tell......
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,422

    Poor old Ruth, prevented from raising the level of discourse to photo ops with tanks, buffaloes and boat trips.
    Much better Nicola, going forth to preach the message of opposition to austerity....in a fleet of Mercedes......
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,422
    Roger said:

    anti semitism is vitually non existant among Labour Party supporters

    Not getting the news where you are?
  • MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034

    And that was with an American.
    1 in 30. Roughly our statistical chance if all entrants are considered equally capable ...
  • hunchmanhunchman Posts: 2,591

    I am still shocked how un-revealing the Panama Papers actually were. The Australian version of Panorama had some good stories, but in the UK damn squib doesn't even come close to it.

    In a way, it was quite positive how few politicians had any offshore interests, even fewer anything dodgy, with this law firm in Panama.
    You obviously weren't reading between the lines and are totally oblivious to 788 790 Finchley Road and all it entails
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,674
    MTimT said:

    1 in 30. Roughly our statistical chance if all entrants are considered equally capable ...
    We won Eurovision twice in the period 1956 to 1972 (16 years, on average once every 8 years)
    We won it three times in the period 1973 to 2016 (43 years, on average once every 14.3 years)
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,674

    Dear me - Gerry Adams now giving a press intv about his naughty tweet. FFS.

    As if that was the worst thing he's done.

    "My Tweets haven't gone away, you know!" :lol:
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 38,507

    Not getting the news where you are?
    There are no tanks in Baghdad.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,525
    edited May 2016
    Sean_F said:

    There are no tanks in Baghdad.
    image
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,422
    Labour PPB:

    https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/727058910645886976

    Usual renta-luvvie, and while the claims may not bear (too) much scrutiny (eg the 'rich' are now paying more income tax than they ever did under Labour) its probably persuasive - classic 'send a message to the government' (and don't look too closely at us...)
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207

    Not getting the news where you are?
    Roger can't bear to face the truth, he is sitting in a corner with his fingers in his ears chanting "I can't hear you, I can't hear you"

    Perhaps I missed his comments on that POS daodao.
  • AlasdairAlasdair Posts: 72
    murali_s said:

    Indeed - Tories are ALWAYS wrong...
    FRom Wikipedia:

    Banking and Financial Dealings Act 1971

    Commencing in 1965, on an experimental basis, the August Bank Holiday weekend was observed at the end of August "to give a lead in extending British holidays over a longer summer period".[7] Each year's date was announced in Parliament on an ad-hoc basis, to the despair of the calendar and diary publishing trade.[8] The rule seems to have been to select the weekend of the last Saturday in August, so that in 1968[9] and 1969[10] Bank Holiday Monday actually fell in September.

    A century after the 1871 Act, the Banking and Financial Dealings Act 1971, which currently regulates bank holidays in the UK, was passed.[11] The majority of the current bank holidays were specified in the 1971 Act: however New Year's Day and May Day were not introduced throughout the whole of the UK until 1974 and 1978 respectively.[12] The date of the August bank holiday was changed from the first Monday in August to the last Monday in August, and the Whitsun bank holiday (Whit Monday) was replaced by the Late Spring Bank Holiday, fixed as the last Monday in May.[13] In 1978 the first Monday in May in the rest of the UK, and the final Monday of May in Scotland, were designated as bank holidays.[14]

    In January 2007, the St Andrew's Day Bank Holiday (Scotland) Act 2007 was given royal assent, making 30 November (or the nearest Monday if a weekend) a bank holiday in Scotland.[15]

    So the legislation was from 1971, but the changes were not introduced immediately. Wison got the blame in 1974 for Heath's legislation.
  • CD13CD13 Posts: 6,378
    Mr Cole,

    "And have you ever actually heard the words to the London football version of “In my Liverpool Home”?"

    I think most footie fans have.

    But living in Merseyside, I have to admit they do make good comedians. Here's one from a local recently ...

    "When I was a young man in the seventies, we chatted the women up differently to today's lads. Then we asked "Have you got a job?" We couldn't afford to pay for everything.

    In the eighties, it was "have you any children?" In the nineties, it was "Have your children got the same father?"

    Nowadays, it's "How long have you been a woman?"
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,481
    Miss Vance, maximum positivity in that PPB.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,674
    Alasdair said:

    FRom Wikipedia:

    Banking and Financial Dealings Act 1971

    Commencing in 1965, on an experimental basis, the August Bank Holiday weekend was observed at the end of August "to give a lead in extending British holidays over a longer summer period".[7] Each year's date was announced in Parliament on an ad-hoc basis, to the despair of the calendar and diary publishing trade.[8] The rule seems to have been to select the weekend of the last Saturday in August, so that in 1968[9] and 1969[10] Bank Holiday Monday actually fell in September.

    A century after the 1871 Act, the Banking and Financial Dealings Act 1971, which currently regulates bank holidays in the UK, was passed.[11] The majority of the current bank holidays were specified in the 1971 Act: however New Year's Day and May Day were not introduced throughout the whole of the UK until 1974 and 1978 respectively.[12] The date of the August bank holiday was changed from the first Monday in August to the last Monday in August, and the Whitsun bank holiday (Whit Monday) was replaced by the Late Spring Bank Holiday, fixed as the last Monday in May.[13] In 1978 the first Monday in May in the rest of the UK, and the final Monday of May in Scotland, were designated as bank holidays.[14]

    In January 2007, the St Andrew's Day Bank Holiday (Scotland) Act 2007 was given royal assent, making 30 November (or the nearest Monday if a weekend) a bank holiday in Scotland.[15]

    So the legislation was from 1971, but the changes were not introduced immediately. Wison got the blame in 1974 for Heath's legislation.
    It was Callaghan in 1978 - Wilson resigned in '76!
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,525
    edited May 2016
    Floater said:
    Jezza friends at the Finsbury Park Mosque also have some interesting views, according to a recent government investigation.
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,180

    If only ...

    http://www.may2015.com/ideas/the-british-are-open-to-a-jewish-pm-but-ukippers-are-less-welcoming-than-others/
    Indeed - extreme left and extreme right - spot the difference.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,422

    Miss Vance, maximum positivity in that PPB.

    I'm not sure we should be having sermon's from Art Malik on Tax Avoidance:

    http://order-order.com/2016/04/06/labour-ppb-stars-accountants-specialise-in-offshore-tax-avoidance/

    Taking lessons, maybe......
  • Innocent_AbroadInnocent_Abroad Posts: 3,294

    Jezza friends at the Finsbury Park Mosque also have some interesting views, according to a recent government investigation.
    Perhaps it's time to remind everyone of Edward Said's take on the problem. He said: "the Palestinians are the victims of victims".



  • MTimT said:

    1 in 30. Roughly our statistical chance if all entrants are considered equally capable ...
    Bearing in mind that UK artists take iirc something like 12% of worldwide sales it's a pretty poor return.
    That being said, no serious UK artist will touch Eurovision with a barge pole these days.


  • Innocent_AbroadInnocent_Abroad Posts: 3,294

    Bearing in mind that UK artists take iirc something like 12% of worldwide sales it's a pretty poor return.
    That being said, no serious UK artist will touch Eurovision with a barge pole these days.


    That was also true in the Beatles' heyday. And ever since...

  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    edited May 2016
    @roger

    I do wonder whether anti-semitism swung enough votes away from Labour to make the difference required for a Tory majority last year. It is hard to differentiate antisemitism from Eds genuine crapness though.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,422

    I'm not sure we should be having sermon's from Art Malik on Tax Avoidance:

    http://order-order.com/2016/04/06/labour-ppb-stars-accountants-specialise-in-offshore-tax-avoidance/

    Taking lessons, maybe......
    Of course, the other Labour Luvvie in the PPB, former Coronation street actor, Sally Lindsay wouldn't have one of those 'tax efficient' 'Company' thingies.....would she?

    https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/04935336/officers
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,454

    Bearing in mind that UK artists take iirc something like 12% of worldwide sales it's a pretty poor return.
    That being said, no serious UK artist will touch Eurovision with a barge pole these days.


    We're not in it to win, we're in it to have fun.
  • ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133

    Of course, the other Labour Luvvie in the PPB, former Coronation street actor, Sally Lindsay wouldn't have one of those 'tax efficient' 'Company' thingies.....would she?

    https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/04935336/officers
    Ooh! Ooh! Look! It had a director and a secretary appointed for one day! It's a conspiracy!
  • mattmatt Posts: 3,789

    @roger

    I do wonder whether anti-semitism swung enough votes away from Labour to make the difference required for a Tory majority last year. It is hard to differentiate antisemitism from Eds genuine crapness though.

    I doubt it. Given the vast publicly given to Milliband eating bacon incompetently, how many people would really have thought him Jewish?

    Is there any material evidence outside slightly desparate tinfoilery of religion being an issue? Ethnicity yes, but the relevant ethnicity was Celtic.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,674

    We're not in it to win, we're in it to have fun.
    LibDem motto from GE2015?
  • daodaodaodao Posts: 821

    @roger

    I do wonder whether anti-semitism swung enough votes away from Labour to make the difference required for a Tory majority last year. It is hard to differentiate antisemitism from Eds genuine crapness though.

    I think it did - the Sun's front page on the day before the GE was a "dog whistle" call to the electorate not to vote for EM: it was the photo of him making a pig's ear of eating a bacon sarnie.

    In 2010, I told a close colleague (who as a Labour candidate last year narrowly failed to win the marginal seat that he was contesting) that Labour's choice of leader then would come back to haunt them for this reason.
  • That was also true in the Beatles' heyday. And ever since...

    The Beatles were a bit before my time.
    Wasn't it the case that Eurovision was supposed to be for undiscovered acts rather than established performers back then?
  • mattmatt Posts: 3,789
    edited May 2016

    Ooh! Ooh! Look! It had a director and a secretary appointed for one day! It's a conspiracy!
    I have a hunch that you're alluding to something here.....
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,307
    CD13 said:

    Mr Cole,

    "And have you ever actually heard the words to the London football version of “In my Liverpool Home”?"

    I think most footie fans have.

    But living in Merseyside, I have to admit they do make good comedians. Here's one from a local recently ...

    "When I was a young man in the seventies, we chatted the women up differently to today's lads. Then we asked "Have you got a job?" We couldn't afford to pay for everything.

    In the eighties, it was "have you any children?" In the nineties, it was "Have your children got the same father?"

    Nowadays, it's "How long have you been a woman?"

    Notice on a Liverpool Parish Church board.

    What will you do if Christ came to Liverpool?

    The handwritten answer was - move St John to outside right and play Christ at centre-forward.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,422
    Heroic rant from David Torrance:

    Scottish nationalists, Brexiteers and Corbynistas have much in common, all utterly certain of what’s - and who’s - wrong but utterly vacuous when challenged to produce a coherent alternative. But like any party or movement that begins with a conclusion (independence/Brexit/socialism) and then works backwards, intellectual contortions are inevitable.

    Their respective supporters don’t much care, too busy seeing what what they want to see, hearing what they want to hear, hypercritical of their opponents but strangely forgiving of their own tribe’s frequent lapses and lack of detail.


    http://www.heraldscotland.com/opinion/14464869.David_Torrance__Scottish_nationalists_and_Brexiteers_have_much_in_common__Both_are_utterly_vacuous/?ref=twtrec
  • justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527

    Given that JC was elected as Party leader (and would be re-elected to-morrow, surely) I repeat my question: what advantage do you see in the legality of a Party that behaves as Labour does to-day? If you find that offensive (which can only be because you enjoy taking offence where none is meant) let me ask a different question: assuming the Tories win a landslide in 2020 - as I think we almost all expect - why do you want Labour to remain the official Opposition, - and if you don't, who do you want to replace them?

    In predicting a Tory landslide in 2020 you speak for yourself. The more psephologically aware tend to have a much more open mind.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    dr_spyn said:

    Notice on a Liverpool Parish Church board.

    What will you do if Christ came to Liverpool?

    The handwritten answer was - move St John to outside right and play Christ at centre-forward.
    Rubbish. Jesus should play either in goal (Jesus saves) or arguably on the wing. He knows a lot about crosses...
  • Innocent_AbroadInnocent_Abroad Posts: 3,294
    justin124 said:

    In predicting a Tory landslide in 2020 you speak for yourself. The more psephologically aware tend to have a much more open mind.
    I got £100 off Bill 'Ill last year by predicting a Tory majority. Let's see how the land lies on Friday.

  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,307
    edited May 2016

    Rubbish. Jesus should play either in goal (Jesus saves) or arguably on the wing. He knows a lot about crosses...
    Jesus saves - not on my salary...

    Jesus saves - but Keegan / Dalglish/ Rush / Aldridge gets the rebound.
  • ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133
    matt said:

    I have a hunch that you're alluding to something here.....
    I don't know what gives you that idea, man.
  • runnymederunnymede Posts: 2,536
    justin124 said:

    In predicting a Tory landslide in 2020 you speak for yourself. The more psephologically aware tend to have a much more open mind.
    A lot of people on this site who thought of themselves as 'psephologically aware' ended up with egg on their faces last May.

    That hasn't stopped them continuing to pretend they are sharper than everyone else though.
  • CD13CD13 Posts: 6,378
    Dr_Spyn,

    "Jesus saves - but Keegan / Dalglish/ Rush / Aldridge gets the rebound."

    You beat me to it.
  • justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527
    Dixie said:

    As a Tory I get quite a bit of abuse on Twitter from official Labour twitter handles. And I am a nobody. Labour has a large number of vile members. Labour have a institutionalised racist group in their party.
    All parties have 'vile members'. Remember John Carlisle the openly pro Apartheid Tory MP and all those Young Tories happy to wear T-Shirts with the slogan 'Hang Nelson Mandela!' Many on here have clearly forgotten how pro-Ian Smith and Rhodesia many Tories were in the 1960s and 70s - including Thatcher! It was never necessary to look further than The Monday Club to discover how riddled with racism a significant section of the Tory party has been over the years.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,553

    The Beatles were a bit before my time.
    Wasn't it the case that Eurovision was supposed to be for undiscovered acts rather than established performers back then?
    I think it was more that all mainland Europe pop was so relentlessly awful that any act outsde the UK was going to be undiscovered - and highly likely to stay that way...
  • mattmatt Posts: 3,789
    justin124 said:

    All parties have 'vile members'. Remember John Carlisle the openly pro Apartheid Tory MP and all those Young Tories happy to wear T-Shirts with the slogan 'Hang Nelson Mandela!' Many on here have clearly forgotten how pro-Ian Smith and Rhodesia many Tories were in the 1960s and 70s - including Thatcher! It was never necessary to look further than The Monday Club to discover how riddled with racism a significant section of the Tory party has been over the years.
    Oddly enough though it was Wilson aboard Tiger who offered Smith almost everything he wanted. Smith was too dim to accept.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,553
    justin124 said:

    All parties have 'vile members'. Remember John Carlisle the openly pro Apartheid Tory MP and all those Young Tories happy to wear T-Shirts with the slogan 'Hang Nelson Mandela!' Many on here have clearly forgotten how pro-Ian Smith and Rhodesia many Tories were in the 1960s and 70s - including Thatcher! It was never necessary to look further than The Monday Club to discover how riddled with racism a significant section of the Tory party has been over the years.
    That you have to go back to the 70s to make a case against the Tories says so much about the difference between the main parties today.
  • justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527

    Guardian:

    'Using the average of the latest opinion poll results, including the Opinium/Observer poll carried out after the antisemitism row last week, Steve Fisher, of Oxford University, one of the country’s leading elections experts, predicts that Labour could be on course for losses of 175 local council seats, while the Conservatives could gain 30.

    On the national equivalent vote share, which tends to be a good predictor of subsequent general elections, Labour looks likely to be one percentage point behind the Conservatives'

    However Liz Kendall reckons we should make 400 gains. No agenda there Liz.

    No - she is just psephologically ignorant - as indeed are many politicians.
  • justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527

    That you have to go back to the 70s to make a case against the Tories says so much about the difference between the main parties today.
    John Carlisle was actually an MP until 1997!
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,525
    edited May 2016
    justin124 said:



    All parties have 'vile members'. Remember John Carlisle the openly pro Apartheid Tory MP and all those Young Tories happy to wear T-Shirts with the slogan 'Hang Nelson Mandela!' Many on here have clearly forgotten how pro-Ian Smith and Rhodesia many Tories were in the 1960s and 70s - including Thatcher! It was never necessary to look further than The Monday Club to discover how riddled with racism a significant section of the Tory party has been over the years.

    But of course Cameron doesn't give speeches to Neo Nazi's, promotes people with views like Ken or Milne and calls terrorists friends...thats why it is a problem for Labour, the leadership is tied up in it.

    Its not just me saying it, it is Labour supporters such as SO. What I would call the sensible voice of reason among centre left voters.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,553
    justin124 said:



    John Carlisle was actually an MP until 1997!

    So he was last elected an MP some 24 years ago.

    The Tory Party and the Labour Party have changed massively in the last quarter of a century. Each in a different direction of travel when it comes to tolerance and discrimination.
  • richardDoddrichardDodd Posts: 5,472
    Why do apologists for the Racists in the Labour Party hark back to the 70s..when we are all discussing very recent events..such as two Labour Poilticians being suspended within the last week..for blatant Racism..
  • CD13CD13 Posts: 6,378
    Mr 124,

    "All parties have 'vile members'"

    True, but Labour are the party who criticise others most. When the fire is returned, it's either untrue, a smear, or they claim what about Mr X in the 1960s.... therefore it's alright.

    If the cap fits ...

    I suspect that in Ken's case, it's as much gormlessness as anti-Semitism, but if it were the other way round, Ken would be the first to demand blood.
  • Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822

    That you have to go back to the 70s to make a case against the Tories says so much about the difference between the main parties today.
    @justin124 also made many Nazi related posts here just a few months ago.
  • justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527
    Dixie said:

    The Daily Mail article would not have lost any votes. Mental lefties would not read The Mail, and were already going to vote Labour. It's a good article.

    I suppose we should expect nothing less from the present day equivalent of Der Volkischer Beobachter!
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,062

    I got £100 off Bill 'Ill last year by predicting a Tory majority. Let's see how the land lies on Friday.

    Even on present polling Labour is doing about the same as last May and the Tories only won a small majority then, not a landslide. If EU ref is a narrow Remain and some Tory Leave voters shift to UKIP the most likely outcome is a hung parliament
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,307
    Looks as if a former Mayor of Blackburn has been busy visiting sites liked by Naz Shah on Facebook.

    http://order-order.com/2016/05/02/labour-suspends-relocate-jews-councillor/#disqus_thread
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,525
    edited May 2016
    CD13 said:

    Mr 124,

    "All parties have 'vile members'"

    True, but Labour are the party who criticise others most. When the fire is returned, it's either untrue, a smear, or they claim what about Mr X in the 1960s.... therefore it's alright.

    If the cap fits ...

    I suspect that in Ken's case, it's as much gormlessness as anti-Semitism, but if it were the other way round, Ken would be the first to demand blood.

    Remember he called for Cameron to be locked up only a few weeks ago...
  • JohnOJohnO Posts: 4,307
    Won't be long before Justin repeats his charming Arbeit macht Frei mantra. He's limbering up even as we speak.
  • richardDoddrichardDodd Posts: 5,472
    Where is Guido getting all this info from..he seems to have better resoures than some main line newspapers..
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,548
    CD13 said:

    Mr 124,

    "All parties have 'vile members'"

    True, but Labour are the party who criticise others most. When the fire is returned, it's either untrue, a smear, or they claim what about Mr X in the 1960s.... therefore it's alright.

    If the cap fits ...

    I suspect that in Ken's case, it's as much gormlessness as anti-Semitism, but if it were the other way round, Ken would be the first to demand blood.

    I don't buy the Ken is 'gormless' routine. He claims he has an interest in Germany in 1930s and has done so for years. He's been a frontline pol for years - he knows the meaning of words and their weight in public arena.
  • justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527

    Thanks for your concern!

    Perhaps the correct thing to say is that we would need to be making around 400 gains to be on track to win a majority in 2020. But then who really thinks we'll do that?
    Labour lost several hundred seats in both 1960 and 1961 but still went on to win the 1964 election. On the other hand, despite big gains at the May 1970 local elections Labour lost the General Election a mere five weeks later!
  • SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    edited May 2016

    Where is Guido getting all this info from..he seems to have better resoures than some main line newspapers..

    Public domain. –You don’t even need to be signed into Twitter to see other people’s tweets.

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