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Actually, the preceding class were considered much more versatile vessels:Anorak said:
"Revenge Class Battleship"Sunil_Prasannan said:
Unfortunately, HMS Resistance was cancelled during WW1:MTimT said:
Did the change in naming practice coincide with the Ministry of War becoming the Ministry of Defence?Patrick said:
RN ships always used to have excellent names. Warspite. Iron Duke. Dreadnought. Ark Royal. They said 'Britannia rules the waves and don't mess, sunshine'. These days it all seems a bit less uplifting. The two new carriers are OK but utterly bland. I'd have preferred HMS Throatripper and HMS Bloodaxe - or similar.Moses_ said:
What a superb name for a ship though. It really was. Legendary. I was lucky enough to visit the one that Rod Stewart sang about. Sadly that one became so old that maintenance costs were becoming a serous issue. They even had to get Rod to rerecord his theme tune....Sunil_Prasannan said:
If you name it "Ark Royal" we can even fly and land planes from it!Moses_ said:
Damn! I changed it as quick as I could. I blame autocorrect.MrsB said:
I think you mean "ark". An "arc" is something to do with electricity isn't it? And an electrical arc and floods REALLY wouldn't be a good idea....Moses_ said:If we leave the EU we will all become anti Zionist bigots and have to build an ark to protect us from the global warming floods.
Think that just about covers all the angles.......
As the chief designer of the Ark I should know... This latest one was just a more updated model
I am bailing ...I am bailing ...cross the sea
I always like HMS Indomitable as a name. Shade of the Borg Collective - resistance is futile.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revenge-class_battleship
They don't make 'em like they used to.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen_Elizabeth-class_battleship0 -
The Island Line is amazing.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Damn! I want to do the Island Line some time this summer!Moses_ said:
Just returned from the Isle of Wight (abroad) and on the ferry there was a lady wearing dark glasses and a scarf hidden behind a paper called "Russia ???" something or other with the face of Gorbachov on its front page.JackW said:
Ah .... that cunning KGB man Putin ....MonikerDiCanio said:
Putin probably wants Hillary since he had access to her e-mail traffic for several years.JackW said:Michael Crowley of "Politico" looks at @LondonBob and the Kremlin's candidate for POTUS .... you'll never guess ....
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/04/donald-trump-2016-russia-today-rt-kremlin-media-vladimir-putin-213833
I think there could be Russian sleepers in Cowes.
Beware !
And possibly the most non-compliant and infrastructure maintenance poor mainline railway in the whole country.0 -
It looks like the Blairites won't get their party back anytime soon.SeanT said:
It's just disastrous for Labour. Full on civil war. The left is going crazy on Twitter.Indigo said:https://twitter.com/nickdearden75/status/725670806345359360
I thought it was a parody, but seems not http://www.theguardian.com/profile/nick-dearden
Thing is they are half right, there clearly is a Blairite attempt to destabilise Corbyn. e.g. John Mann was obviously hamming it up for the cameras, today.0 -
Who cares? Poncey name. Like "Farage".Sunil_Prasannan said:
Actually, the preceding class were considered much more versatile vessels:Anorak said:
"Revenge Class Battleship"Sunil_Prasannan said:
Unfortunately, HMS Resistance was cancelled during WW1:MTimT said:
Did the change in naming practice coincide with the Ministry of War becoming the Ministry of Defence?Patrick said:
RN ships always used to have excellent names. Warspite. Iron Duke. Dreadnought. Ark Royal. They said 'Britannia rules the waves and don't mess, sunshine'. These days it all seems a bit less uplifting. The two new carriers are OK but utterly bland. I'd have preferred HMS Throatripper and HMS Bloodaxe - or similar.Moses_ said:
What a superb name for a ship though. It really was. Legendary. I was lucky enough to visit the one that Rod Stewart sang about. Sadly that one became so old that maintenance costs were becoming a serous issue. They even had to get Rod to rerecord his theme tune....Sunil_Prasannan said:
If you name it "Ark Royal" we can even fly and land planes from it!Moses_ said:
Damn! I changed it as quick as I could. I blame autocorrect.MrsB said:
I think you mean "ark". An "arc" is something to do with electricity isn't it? And an electrical arc and floods REALLY wouldn't be a good idea....Moses_ said:If we leave the EU we will all become anti Zionist bigots and have to build an ark to protect us from the global warming floods.
Think that just about covers all the angles.......
As the chief designer of the Ark I should know... This latest one was just a more updated model
I am bailing ...I am bailing ...cross the sea
I always like HMS Indomitable as a name. Shade of the Borg Collective - resistance is futile.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revenge-class_battleship
They don't make 'em like they used to.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen_Elizabeth-class_battleship
Obliterater Class Dreadnaughts, that's what we need.0 -
As a regular Tube user, should be home from homeCasino_Royale said:
The Island Line is amazing.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Damn! I want to do the Island Line some time this summer!Moses_ said:
Just returned from the Isle of Wight (abroad) and on the ferry there was a lady wearing dark glasses and a scarf hidden behind a paper called "Russia ???" something or other with the face of Gorbachov on its front page.JackW said:
Ah .... that cunning KGB man Putin ....MonikerDiCanio said:
Putin probably wants Hillary since he had access to her e-mail traffic for several years.JackW said:Michael Crowley of "Politico" looks at @LondonBob and the Kremlin's candidate for POTUS .... you'll never guess ....
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/04/donald-trump-2016-russia-today-rt-kremlin-media-vladimir-putin-213833
I think there could be Russian sleepers in Cowes.
Beware !
And possibly the most non-compliant and infrastructure maintenance poor mainline railway in the whole country.
But seriously, they do use old London Underground trains - from 1938!!!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Rail_Class_4830 -
Not just that but since they are patently so fecking useless about getting into power, if they don't allow themselves the excuse of "purity of thought", then where are they ?TCPoliticalBetting said:
It's tolerated because lefties (and the broadcast media) believe that all lefties are morally pure of mind because they are politically correct and right on.... As judged by the domination of the broadcast media by the guardianista class.Moses_ said:
It's tolerated because they are lefties. They say and do things that anyone else could never ever get away with and would make then front page news as well as BBC news at 6 and if a Tory then News at 10, BBC website entry ( 7 days minimum) and an additional Newsnight special. Personally I call it hypocrisy but still.SeanT said:
Yes. It is inconceivable that any senior Tory would behave the way Ken did today. It is also pretty inconceivable that a Tory MP would do what Shah did.Charles said:
It's also a question of whether it is institutionally tolerated. I don't believe it is in the Tory PartyTGOHF said:What a silly article - the nub is whether MPs and persons holding office within the parties hold these views.
The reason the Left is in a bind is because this discourse is privately tolerated, even encouraged in Lefty circles - the anti-Zio crap at universities, the Jew-hating stuff from British-Islamic Labourites, and it's been tolerated so long they've forgotten how awful it looks to outsiders.
Hence perhaps Naz Shah's "shock" at what she herself said. Perhaps she was speaking the truth. It's only when she stepped back and took a good hard look at herself that she realised she was being actively racist.0 -
It'd be interesting to know what Andrew Dismore thinks about all this as he defends a Labour majority of 12.8% in Barnet and Camden.0
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http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/ExecutorAnorak said:
Who cares? Poncey name. Like "Farage".Sunil_Prasannan said:
Actually, the preceding class were considered much more versatile vessels:Anorak said:
"Revenge Class Battleship"Sunil_Prasannan said:
Unfortunately, HMS Resistance was cancelled during WW1:MTimT said:
Did the change in naming practice coincide with the Ministry of War becoming the Ministry of Defence?Patrick said:
RN ships always used to have excellent names. Warspite. Iron Duke. Dreadnought. Ark Royal. They said 'Britannia rules the waves and don't mess, sunshine'. These days it all seems a bit less uplifting. The two new carriers are OK but utterly bland. I'd have preferred HMS Throatripper and HMS Bloodaxe - or similar.Moses_ said:
What a superb name for a ship though. It really was. Legendary. I was lucky enough to visit the one that Rod Stewart sang about. Sadly that one became so old that maintenance costs were becoming a serous issue. They even had to get Rod to rerecord his theme tune....Sunil_Prasannan said:
If you name it "Ark Royal" we can even fly and land planes from it!Moses_ said:
Damn! I changed it as quick as I could. I blame autocorrect.MrsB said:
I think you mean "ark". An "arc" is something to do with electricity isn't it? And an electrical arc and floods REALLY wouldn't be a good idea....Moses_ said:If we leave the EU we will all become anti Zionist bigots and have to build an ark to protect us from the global warming floods.
Think that just about covers all the angles.......
As the chief designer of the Ark I should know... This latest one was just a more updated model
I am bailing ...I am bailing ...cross the sea
I always like HMS Indomitable as a name. Shade of the Borg Collective - resistance is futile.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revenge-class_battleship
They don't make 'em like they used to.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen_Elizabeth-class_battleship
Obliterater Class Dreadnaughts, that's what we need.0 -
The best name for a RN warship was HMS Caligula, so called because it had the words "Oderint dum Metuant" painted down the side ("Let them hate me, so long as they fear me.")MTimT said:
Did the change in naming practice coincide with the Ministry of War becoming the Ministry of Defence?Patrick said:
RN ships always used to have excellent names. Warspite. Iron Duke. Dreadnought. Ark Royal. They said 'Britannia rules the waves and don't mess, sunshine'. These days it all seems a bit less uplifting. The two new carriers are OK but utterly bland. I'd have preferred HMS Throatripper and HMS Bloodaxe - or similar.Moses_ said:
What a superb name for a ship though. It really was. Legendary. I was lucky enough to visit the one that Rod Stewart sang about. Sadly that one became so old that maintenance costs were becoming a serous issue. They even had to get Rod to rerecord his theme tune....Sunil_Prasannan said:
If you name it "Ark Royal" we can even fly and land planes from it!Moses_ said:
Damn! I changed it as quick as I could. I blame autocorrect.MrsB said:
I think you mean "ark". An "arc" is something to do with electricity isn't it? And an electrical arc and floods REALLY wouldn't be a good idea....Moses_ said:If we leave the EU we will all become anti Zionist bigots and have to build an ark to protect us from the global warming floods.
Think that just about covers all the angles.......
As the chief designer of the Ark I should know... This latest one was just a more updated model
I am bailing ...I am bailing ...cross the sea
I always like HMS Indomitable as a name. Shade of the Borg Collective - resistance is futile.0 -
It's the non-college-educated man/ woman who is going to win it. Clinton cannot get much more out of the Hispanics/ blacks.Pulpstar said:
No incumbency effect for the DEMs this time.Alistair said:
Here's Rasmussen's 2012 presidential pollingLondonBob said:http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2016/24_opt_out_of_a_clinton_trump_race
Trump 38 - Clinton 38
Trump leads 38 to 27 amongst unaffiliated.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/election_2012
Every single "toss up" state with a Romeny lead won by 5% or more by Obama.0 -
I think they could see how much fun the Conservatives were having, and so they decided they wanted some fun of their own.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. T, to be fair, they were probably jealous that the Conservatives stole their limelight with the blue civil war and wanted to have their own.
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The thing is if they had just suspended naz shah & stuck to a line of this stuff will.not be tolerated the story would have remained hidden way down the running order...instead somebody decided letting red ken give the Hitler defence across the media was a genuis idea...SeanT said:
It's just disastrous for Labour. Full on civil war. The left is going crazy on Twitter.Indigo said:https://twitter.com/nickdearden75/status/725670806345359360
I thought it was a parody, but seems not http://www.theguardian.com/profile/nick-dearden
Thing is they are half right, there clearly is a Blairite attempt to destabilise Corbyn. e.g. John Mann was obviously hamming it up for the cameras, today.0 -
And that's why, not matter how often I watch ROTJ, I keep hoping that the Emperor will win.Sunil_Prasannan said:
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/ExecutorAnorak said:
Who cares? Poncey name. Like "Farage".Sunil_Prasannan said:
Actually, the preceding class were considered much more versatile vessels:Anorak said:
"Revenge Class Battleship"Sunil_Prasannan said:
Unfortunately, HMS Resistance was cancelled during WW1:MTimT said:
Did the change in naming practice coincide with the Ministry of War becoming the Ministry of Defence?Patrick said:
RN ships always used to have excellent names. Warspite. Iron Duke. Dreadnought. Ark Royal. They said 'Britannia rules the waves and don't mess, sunshine'. These days it all seems a bit less uplifting. The two new carriers are OK but utterly bland. I'd have preferred HMS Throatripper and HMS Bloodaxe - or similar.Moses_ said:
What a superb name for a ship though. It really was. Legendary. I was lucky enough to visit the one that Rod Stewart sang about. Sadly that one became so old that maintenance costs were becoming a serous issue. They even had to get Rod to rerecord his theme tune....Sunil_Prasannan said:
If you name it "Ark Royal" we can even fly and land planes from it!Moses_ said:
Damn! I changed it as quick as I could. I blame autocorrect.MrsB said:
I think you mean "ark". An "arc" is something to do with electricity isn't it? And an electrical arc and floods REALLY wouldn't be a good idea....Moses_ said:If we leave the EU we will all become anti Zionist bigots and have to build an ark to protect us from the global warming floods.
Think that just about covers all the angles.......
As the chief designer of the Ark I should know... This latest one was just a more updated model
I am bailing ...I am bailing ...cross the sea
I always like HMS Indomitable as a name. Shade of the Borg Collective - resistance is futile.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revenge-class_battleship
They don't make 'em like they used to.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen_Elizabeth-class_battleship
Obliterater Class Dreadnaughts, that's what we need.0 -
Brexiteers threaten Labour more than Tories Tim Montgomerie
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/comment/brexiteers-threaten-labour-more-than-tories-50sj5lcqz
"Frank Field muddied the waters on Tuesday, however, by putting Mr Cameron’s future on the ballot paper. “If you want to have a pop at the government, don’t wait until the general election,”"
"Mr Field wasn’t just trying to convince the 30 to 40 per cent of Labour voters who are inclined to vote Leave to do so. He was also worrying aloud about how successive Labour leaders’ views on Europe and immigration have already driven approximately one million left-leaning voters into Ukip’s hands. He fears the exodus will continue if voters who are worried about immigration and loss of national identity see no one in Labour’s top ranks who shares their concerns."
Frankly if 30% or more of Labour voters vote LEAVE that is probably the referendum won for LEAVE.
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David Cameron: "Youth Employment in the EU exceeds 50%"runnymede said:
Those numbers are an excellent illustration of two of the Prime Minister's key arguments -MarkHopkins said:
1) that the EU is good for young people
2) that the EU protects workers' rights.0 -
Animal_pb said:
On the other hand, there will be a small group of people, scattered across the country, looking at the events of the past couple of days with quiet, stunned satisfaction, thinking: "best £3 I ever spent".AlastairMeeks said:If you lift up stones, you find all kinds of insect life wriggling underneath.
I feel very sorry for Labour supporters today, the great majority of whom must be holding their heads in despair today. Those people deserve better. 0 -
If that is truly the case, then there is no contest. Trump has it wrapped up already.weejonnie said:
It's the non-college-educated man/ woman who is going to win it. Clinton cannot get much more out of the Hispanics/ blacks.Pulpstar said:
No incumbency effect for the DEMs this time.Alistair said:
Here's Rasmussen's 2012 presidential pollingLondonBob said:http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2016/24_opt_out_of_a_clinton_trump_race
Trump 38 - Clinton 38
Trump leads 38 to 27 amongst unaffiliated.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/election_2012
Every single "toss up" state with a Romeny lead won by 5% or more by Obama.0 -
I always favoured the Empire, too. I was also a fan of the Lord Jabba.Anorak said:
And that's why, not matter how often I watch ROTJ, I keep hoping that the Emperor will win.Sunil_Prasannan said:
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/ExecutorAnorak said:
Who cares? Poncey name. Like "Farage".Sunil_Prasannan said:
Actually, the preceding class were considered much more versatile vessels:Anorak said:
"Revenge Class Battleship"Sunil_Prasannan said:
Unfortunately, HMS Resistance was cancelled during WW1:MTimT said:
Did the change in naming practice coincide with the Ministry of War becoming the Ministry of Defence?Patrick said:
RN ships always used to have excellent names. Warspite. Iron Duke. Dreadnought. Ark Royal. They said 'Britannia rules the waves and don't mess, sunshine'. These days it all seems a bit less uplifting. The two new carriers are OK but utterly bland. I'd have preferred HMS Throatripper and HMS Bloodaxe - or similar.Moses_ said:
What a superb name for a ship though. It really was. Legendary. I was lucky enough to visit the one that Rod Stewart sang about. Sadly that one became so old that maintenance costs were becoming a serous issue. They even had to get Rod to rerecord his theme tune....Sunil_Prasannan said:
If you name it "Ark Royal" we can even fly and land planes from it!Moses_ said:
Damn! I changed it as quick as I could. I blame autocorrect.MrsB said:
I think you mean "ark". An "arc" is something to do with electricity isn't it? And an electrical arc and floods REALLY wouldn't be a good idea....Moses_ said:If we leave the EU we will all become anti Zionist bigots and have to build an ark to protect us from the global warming floods.
Think that just about covers all the angles.......
As the chief designer of the Ark I should know... This latest one was just a more updated model
I am bailing ...I am bailing ...cross the sea
I always like HMS Indomitable as a name. Shade of the Borg Collective - resistance is futile.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revenge-class_battleship
They don't make 'em like they used to.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen_Elizabeth-class_battleship
Obliterater Class Dreadnaughts, that's what we need.
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The man will vote for Trump, the woman for HRC. If she votes at all.MTimT said:
If that is truly the case, then there is no contest. Trump has it wrapped up already.weejonnie said:
It's the non-college-educated man/ woman who is going to win it. Clinton cannot get much more out of the Hispanics/ blacks.Pulpstar said:
No incumbency effect for the DEMs this time.Alistair said:
Here's Rasmussen's 2012 presidential pollingLondonBob said:http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2016/24_opt_out_of_a_clinton_trump_race
Trump 38 - Clinton 38
Trump leads 38 to 27 amongst unaffiliated.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/election_2012
Every single "toss up" state with a Romeny lead won by 5% or more by Obama.
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David Cameron: 'The 50% youth unemployed in Greece are guaranteed gender equality rights and a paid holiday by the EU'weejonnie said:
David Cameron: "Youth Employment in the EU exceeds 50%"runnymede said:
Those numbers are an excellent illustration of two of the Prime Minister's key arguments -MarkHopkins said:
1) that the EU is good for young people
2) that the EU protects workers' rights.0 -
On the Empire being good and the Rebels being wicked, I (well, Sir Edric) touched on this in a guest blog a month ago:
http://jozebwrites.blogspot.co.uk/2016/03/the-vindictiveness-of-vicious-vixens.html0 -
This may be a bigger threat to Cameron than the referendum.
Michael Crick ✔ @MichaelLCrick
Lots of Tory MPs will be worried by Elect Comm asking CPS & police to extend by 12 mons, deadline on offences from 2015 election expenses0 -
I can't believe pockets of infighting are breaking out across Twitter over whether Hitler wanted to help the Jewish population find a pleasant, cosy little home in Transjordan or not....
Talk about lefty over-analysing. It's fucking surreal.0 -
BBC PM programme: Ken Livingstone hid in a toilet to escape from John Mann this morning.0
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I went off Star Wars wikis when I found out Palpatine's first name was apparently Sheev, and Grand Moff Tarquin's was Wilhuf. I find it harder to fear them with those names.Sunil_Prasannan said:
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/ExecutorAnorak said:
Who cares? Poncey name. Like "Farage".Sunil_Prasannan said:
Actually, the preceding class were considered much more versatile vessels:Anorak said:
"Revenge Class Battleship"Sunil_Prasannan said:
Unfortunately, HMS Resistance was cancelled during WW1:MTimT said:
Did the change in naming practice coincide with the Ministry of War becoming the Ministry of Defence?Patrick said:
RN ships always used to have excellent names. Warspite. Iron Duke. Dreadnought. Ark Royal. They said 'Britannia rules the waves and don't mess, sunshine'. These days it all seems a bit less uplifting. The two new carriers are OK but utterly bland. I'd have preferred HMS Throatripper and HMS Bloodaxe - or similar.Moses_ said:
What a superb name for a ship though. It really was. Legendary. I was lucky enough to visit the one that Rod Stewart sang about. Sadly that one became so old that maintenance costs were becoming a serous issue. They even had to get Rod to rerecord his theme tune....Sunil_Prasannan said:
If you name it "Ark Royal" we can even fly and land planes from it!Moses_ said:
Damn! I changed it as quick as I could. I blame autocorrect.MrsB said:
I think you mean "ark". An "arc" is something to do with electricity isn't it? And an electrical arc and floods REALLY wouldn't be a good idea....Moses_ said:If we leave the EU we will all become anti Zionist bigots and have to build an ark to protect us from the global warming floods.
Think that just about covers all the angles.......
As the chief designer of the Ark I should know... This latest one was just a more updated model
I am bailing ...I am bailing ...cross the sea
I always like HMS Indomitable as a name. Shade of the Borg Collective - resistance is futile.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revenge-class_battleship
They don't make 'em like they used to.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen_Elizabeth-class_battleship
Obliterater Class Dreadnaughts, that's what we need.0 -
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It is a charming way to travel.Sunil_Prasannan said:
As a regular Tube user, should be home from homeCasino_Royale said:
The Island Line is amazing.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Damn! I want to do the Island Line some time this summer!Moses_ said:
Just returned from the Isle of Wight (abroad) and on the ferry there was a lady wearing dark glasses and a scarf hidden behind a paper called "Russia ???" something or other with the face of Gorbachov on its front page.JackW said:
Ah .... that cunning KGB man Putin ....MonikerDiCanio said:
Putin probably wants Hillary since he had access to her e-mail traffic for several years.JackW said:Michael Crowley of "Politico" looks at @LondonBob and the Kremlin's candidate for POTUS .... you'll never guess ....
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/04/donald-trump-2016-russia-today-rt-kremlin-media-vladimir-putin-213833
I think there could be Russian sleepers in Cowes.
Beware !
And possibly the most non-compliant and infrastructure maintenance poor mainline railway in the whole country.
But seriously, they do use old London Underground trains - from 1938!!!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Rail_Class_483
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Mr. kle4, Tarkin*.
Also, if it's expanded universe (UE) then it might not be canon anymore.
Still scarier names than Snoke, though.0 -
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Excellent indeed.Sean_F said:
The best name for a RN warship was HMS Caligula, so called because it had the words "Oderint dum Metuant" painted down the side ("Let them hate me, so long as they fear me.")MTimT said:
Did the change in naming practice coincide with the Ministry of War becoming the Ministry of Defence?Patrick said:
RN ships always used to have excellent names. Warspite. Iron Duke. Dreadnought. Ark Royal. They said 'Britannia rules the waves and don't mess, sunshine'. These days it all seems a bit less uplifting. The two new carriers are OK but utterly bland. I'd have preferred HMS Throatripper and HMS Bloodaxe - or similar.Moses_ said:
What a superb name for a ship though. It really was. Legendary. I was lucky enough to visit the one that Rod Stewart sang about. Sadly that one became so old that maintenance costs were becoming a serous issue. They even had to get Rod to rerecord his theme tune....Sunil_Prasannan said:
If you name it "Ark Royal" we can even fly and land planes from it!Moses_ said:
Damn! I changed it as quick as I could. I blame autocorrect.MrsB said:
I think you mean "ark". An "arc" is something to do with electricity isn't it? And an electrical arc and floods REALLY wouldn't be a good idea....Moses_ said:If we leave the EU we will all become anti Zionist bigots and have to build an ark to protect us from the global warming floods.
Think that just about covers all the angles.......
As the chief designer of the Ark I should know... This latest one was just a more updated model
I am bailing ...I am bailing ...cross the sea
I always like HMS Indomitable as a name. Shade of the Borg Collective - resistance is futile.
Perhaps then the sister ships could be:
HMS Machiavelli with the words "Venerable and Terrible"
HMS Stalin with the words "Death solves all problems"
HMS Genghis Khan with "I am the punishment of God"
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BBC — Corbyn: no crisis in the Labour party.0
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If anyone has the time, it is very well worth reading the essays and books by Paul Berman on how Koranic injunctions against Jews have fused with Nazi propaganda during WW2 in the Arab countries, particularly in Egypt, been absorbed by the Muslim Brotherhood and Sayyid Qutb (strongly influencing Al Qaeda) and has spread deep into the Islamist ideology. Many believing in that ideology think that the only thing wrong with the Holocaust was that it did not go far enough and think too that the destruction of Israel and the Jews (not just the Jews in Israel) are necessary and desirable. It is one reason why Jewish targets are often picked during Islamist terror attacks (see Mumbai, Paris, Denmark).
What makes this particularly toxic and hard to eradicate - though as far as I can tell this has not even been attempted - is that it has its roots not just in Islamist ideology and the baleful effects of Nazi thought spreading in Arab countries (not to mention the historical links between Arab leaders such as Amin al-Husseini, Yasser Arafat's uncle and the Nazis) but in Koranic dicta. So that makes it harder to say that it is unIslamic to despise Jews. And as some Muslim commentators have said, this is one of those dirty little secrets and unacknowledged assumptions which have gone unchallenged by too many within and outside the Muslim community.
Mix into this the anti-American, anti-Western, anti-capitalist (Jews are gold-loving capitalists controlling the world tropes are never very far away - look at some of the tweets Luciana Berger MP received), anti- colonialist thought of a significant part of the Left and you have today's Labour Party.
This is not about whether Corbyn takes action against this or that Labour MP or councillor or member. Corbyn is part of the problem. Not the solution.0 -
And yet strangely neither the pollsters or the markets are finding Trump so tempting ....MTimT said:
If that is truly the case, then there is no contest. Trump has it wrapped up already.weejonnie said:
It's the non-college-educated man/ woman who is going to win it. Clinton cannot get much more out of the Hispanics/ blacks.Pulpstar said:
No incumbency effect for the DEMs this time.Alistair said:
Here's Rasmussen's 2012 presidential pollingLondonBob said:http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2016/24_opt_out_of_a_clinton_trump_race
Trump 38 - Clinton 38
Trump leads 38 to 27 amongst unaffiliated.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/election_2012
Every single "toss up" state with a Romeny lead won by 5% or more by Obama.
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Shade of Callaghan?Plato_Says said:0 -
I thought they had "Mr" McBride back?FrancisUrquhart said:
The thing is if they had just suspended naz shah & stuck to a line of this stuff will.not be tolerated the story would have remained hidden way down the running order...instead somebody decided letting red ken give the Hitler defence across the media was a genuis idea...SeanT said:
It's just disastrous for Labour. Full on civil war. The left is going crazy on Twitter.Indigo said:https://twitter.com/nickdearden75/status/725670806345359360
I thought it was a parody, but seems not http://www.theguardian.com/profile/nick-dearden
Thing is they are half right, there clearly is a Blairite attempt to destabilise Corbyn. e.g. John Mann was obviously hamming it up for the cameras, today.
Or did Seamus think that there would be nothing wrong with letting his old chum Ken rant about Hitler on TV for a quarter of an hour?0 -
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/04/28/naz-shah-labour-anti-semitism-and-a-piece-of-spin-that-will-make/
Yet the fingers wouldn’t listen. Powerless to intervene, Mrs Shah wailed in dismay as they published the opinions on Facebook, and then defied her despairing pleas to delete them.
Poor Mrs Shah. A hostage to her own hands. Still, she had to act, and swiftly, to prove that she utterly rejected the comments misattributed to her by her fingers. There was only one thing for it.
Keep schtum for two years, and apologise only once her views had been exposed in the media.0 -
Depends what his first is I suppose. Could be Deathblade Snoke or something.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. kle4, Tarkin*.
Also, if it's expanded universe (UE) then it might not be canon anymore.
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HMS Darth Vader.Sunil_Prasannan said:
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/ExecutorAnorak said:
Who cares? Poncey name. Like "Farage".Sunil_Prasannan said:
Actually, the preceding class were considered much more versatile vessels:Anorak said:
"Revenge Class Battleship"Sunil_Prasannan said:
Unfortunately, HMS Resistance was cancelled during WW1:MTimT said:
Did the change in naming practice coincide with the Ministry of War becoming the Ministry of Defence?Patrick said:
RN ships always used to have excellent names. Warspite. Iron Duke. Dreadnought. Ark Royal. They said 'Britannia rules the waves and don't mess, sunshine'. These days it all seems a bit less uplifting. The two new carriers are OK but utterly bland. I'd have preferred HMS Throatripper and HMS Bloodaxe - or similar.Moses_ said:
What a superb name for a ship though. It really was. Legendary. I was lucky enough to visit the one that Rod Stewart sang about. Sadly that one became so old that maintenance costs were becoming a serous issue. They even had to get Rod to rerecord his theme tune....Sunil_Prasannan said:
If you name it "Ark Royal" we can even fly and land planes from it!Moses_ said:
Damn! I changed it as quick as I could. I blame autocorrect.MrsB said:
I think you mean "ark". An "arc" is something to do with electricity isn't it? And an electrical arc and floods REALLY wouldn't be a good idea....Moses_ said:If we leave the EU we will all become anti Zionist bigots and have to build an ark to protect us from the global warming floods.
Think that just about covers all the angles.......
As the chief designer of the Ark I should know... This latest one was just a more updated model
I am bailing ...I am bailing ...cross the sea
I always like HMS Indomitable as a name. Shade of the Borg Collective - resistance is futile.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revenge-class_battleship
They don't make 'em like they used to.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen_Elizabeth-class_battleship
Obliterater Class Dreadnaughts, that's what we need.
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We must surely have one of the highest number of MPs having had the whip withdrawn for many years.
With the SNP having lost members and now at least two MPs from the Labour benches sitting as independents due to investigations into alleged wrongdoing of some sort of another - it has been a pretty turbulent start to this parliament.0 -
We’ve seen it all before, if the target of today’s brouhaha was the present Mayor, rather than the old, there would be no analysing by the left on the merits of what was said, just outright condemnation. - Today’s Twitter comments would also be higher by a factor of 10.Fenster said:I can't believe pockets of infighting are breaking out across Twitter over whether Hitler wanted to help the Jewish population find a pleasant, cosy little home in Transjordan or not....
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@PolhomeEditor: Is Jeremy Corbyn suggesting the criticism of Ken Livingstone's Hitler stuff is part of a coup against him? https://t.co/ICj6jepLve0
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Damian McBride is on a stag weekend:Sandpit said:
I thought they had "Mr" McBride back?FrancisUrquhart said:
The thing is if they had just suspended naz shah & stuck to a line of this stuff will.not be tolerated the story would have remained hidden way down the running order...instead somebody decided letting red ken give the Hitler defence across the media was a genuis idea...SeanT said:
It's just disastrous for Labour. Full on civil war. The left is going crazy on Twitter.Indigo said:https://twitter.com/nickdearden75/status/725670806345359360
I thought it was a parody, but seems not http://www.theguardian.com/profile/nick-dearden
Thing is they are half right, there clearly is a Blairite attempt to destabilise Corbyn. e.g. John Mann was obviously hamming it up for the cameras, today.
Or did Seamus think that there would be nothing wrong with letting his old chum Ken rant about Hitler on TV for a quarter of an hour?
https://twitter.com/DPMcBride/status/7256419637441822720 -
Putsch, surely?Scott_P said:@PolhomeEditor: Is Jeremy Corbyn suggesting the criticism of Ken Livingstone's Hitler stuff is part of a coup against him? https://t.co/ICj6jepLve
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Corbyn is no Callaghan.Scott_P said:INFAMY! INFAMY!
https://twitter.com/guidofawkes/status/725719535458897920
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Well in fairness, it might be being used by those part of a coup against him...it's just that the coup plotters are responding to events, not fabricating things, so even if the criticism is from them and they hate him, it doesn't matter, the reason for the criticism is still there.Scott_P said:@PolhomeEditor: Is Jeremy Corbyn suggesting the criticism of Ken Livingstone's Hitler stuff is part of a coup against him? https://t.co/ICj6jepLve
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The woman, if she is over 50, will vote HRC. If she is under 25, she is for Bernie and may well not vote. If she is rural, between 25 and 50, she'll vote Trump. Overall, Trump wins that demographic big time.Innocent_Abroad said:
The man will vote for Trump, the woman for HRC. If she votes at all.MTimT said:
If that is truly the case, then there is no contest. Trump has it wrapped up already.weejonnie said:
It's the non-college-educated man/ woman who is going to win it. Clinton cannot get much more out of the Hispanics/ blacks.Pulpstar said:
No incumbency effect for the DEMs this time.Alistair said:
Here's Rasmussen's 2012 presidential pollingLondonBob said:http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2016/24_opt_out_of_a_clinton_trump_race
Trump 38 - Clinton 38
Trump leads 38 to 27 amongst unaffiliated.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/election_2012
Every single "toss up" state with a Romeny lead won by 5% or more by Obama.0 -
Incidentally, I would agree that this should lengthen the odds on a Khan victory.
Although the Tory campaign, of saying Khan is a sympathiser because he attended innocuous events with people who years later would prove to be extremists, remains racist, it will have more plausibility to the average floating voter who is only paying a bit of attention when they see various Labour people who genuinely are racist in the news.0 -
He's probably polishing his CV if he has any sense. Today's row might not have a huge effect on the Mayoral election, but the other elections next week may be more difficult than a lot of moderate Labour candidates in some areas were expecting!AndyJS said:It'd be interesting to know what Andrew Dismore thinks about all this as he defends a Labour majority of 12.8% in Barnet and Camden.
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It is a much better pretext for a coup than military action in Syria. On that occasion, Jeremy Corbyn had the membership solidly on side. On this occasion, I expect the bulk of Labour party members will be horrified at the lack of leadership shown on this subject.kle4 said:
Well in fairness, it might be being used by those part of a coup against him...it's just that the coup plotters are responding to events, not fabricating things, so even if the criticism is from them and they hate him, it doesn't matter, the reason for the criticism is still there.Scott_P said:@PolhomeEditor: Is Jeremy Corbyn suggesting the criticism of Ken Livingstone's Hitler stuff is part of a coup against him? https://t.co/ICj6jepLve
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JackW said:
And yet strangely neither the pollsters or the markets are finding Trump so tempting ....MTimT said:
If that is truly the case, then there is no contest. Trump has it wrapped up already.weejonnie said:
It's the non-college-educated man/ woman who is going to win it. Clinton cannot get much more out of the Hispanics/ blacks.Pulpstar said:
No incumbency effect for the DEMs this time.Alistair said:
Here's Rasmussen's 2012 presidential pollingLondonBob said:http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2016/24_opt_out_of_a_clinton_trump_race
Trump 38 - Clinton 38
Trump leads 38 to 27 amongst unaffiliated.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/election_2012
Every single "toss up" state with a Romeny lead won by 5% or more by Obama.
Which is why the words "if that is truly the case".
Personally, I don't know what the f*** is going on this election apart from the fact that I don't know what the f*** is going on. One of the reasons that I have been so quiet on the whole US election cycle since I realized my 'Trump and Cruz will never get the nomination' line was clearly incorrect. Rather eat humble pie once than continuously ...0 -
8 months ago, @JournoStephen perfectly predicted the anti-Semitism to come in the Labour party. Read his column: https://t.co/KzjIHuvmmm0
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@georgeeaton: I'm told that Team Corbyn wanted John Mann suspended but the whips office said no.0
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The last Labour leader was Jewish. I don't remember anyone talking about it at the time. Sadiq Khan was his Campaign Manager !0
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To be a member of this party on such a day, in concert with such a man, is to feel pride’s other, which is shame. How did it ever come to this?
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/comment/this-is-the-last-straw-livingstone-must-go-8whx06qlk
It came to this because the party elected a feeble incompetent as its leader and all the filth has swept in. Jeremy Corbyn did not create antisemitism on the left, nor does he seek to foster it. But all leaders have an ambit, a space around them in which some beliefs are licensed and others are proscribed. A life on the fringe left of British politics steeps its student members in the ignorant loathing of America and Israel. Under a serious leader these people are nowhere near the seat of power. Under Mr Corbyn, one of them is the director of strategy who allows a terrible story to run for hours with no comment at all from the leader. There is an adage that, in modern politics, you are either quick or you are dead. Labour adds a third category: zombie.
The chief zombie, stretching back years now, is Ken Livingstone.0 -
How is it racist to equate Khan with extremists when he has repeatedly associated with people who are extremists, many of whom were known at the time to be extremists?Danny565 said:Incidentally, I would agree that this should lengthen the odds on a Khan victory.
Although the Tory campaign, of saying Khan is a sympathiser because he attended innocuous events with people who years later would prove to be extremists, remains racist, it will have more plausibility to the average floating voter who is only paying a bit of attention when they see various Labour people who genuinely are racist in the news.
The same was said (quite rightly) with Livingstone himself last time. Was that racist too?0 -
Ed M is actually the reason I give more credence to concerns about antisemitism and general racism thesedays, as I was shocked to discover I had family members dismissing him in openly anti-Semitic ways during the GE. people I'd never heard make such remarks.surbiton said:The last Labour leader was Jewish. I don't remember anyone talking about it at the time. Sadiq Khan was his Campaign Manager !
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I see this whole affair as a pile of crap which started last year by anti-Corbynites in the Jewish Chronicle, there are a lot of bear traps and Livingstone fell into one.kle4 said:
Well in fairness, it might be being used by those part of a coup against him...it's just that the coup plotters are responding to events, not fabricating things, so even if the criticism is from them and they hate him, it doesn't matter, the reason for the criticism is still there.Scott_P said:@PolhomeEditor: Is Jeremy Corbyn suggesting the criticism of Ken Livingstone's Hitler stuff is part of a coup against him? https://t.co/ICj6jepLve
However the behaviour of John Mann makes it clear that this is part of the anti-Corbyn campaign and has nothing to do with antisemitism.0 -
Well it was people like Corbyn that sank Callaghan, wasn't it? And who transformed Labour from a patriotic (if often misguided) party into the hideous composite of middle class smugness, ethnic grievance politics and borderline insanity that it is now.oxfordsimon said:
Corbyn is no Callaghan.Scott_P said:INFAMY! INFAMY!
https://twitter.com/guidofawkes/status/725719535458897920
Callaghan was a decent human being. A towering giant compared to the weasel who now 'leads' Labour0 -
Pew reporting GOP struggling more because of their more toxic nomination process :
REP - Unfavourable 62% .. Favourable 33% .. Net -29
DEM - Unfavourable 50% .. Favourable 45% .. Net -5
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Ha, if he has any sense he'll have the phone off and not be watching any British TV!AlastairMeeks said:
Damian McBride is on a stag weekend:Sandpit said:
I thought they had "Mr" McBride back?FrancisUrquhart said:
The thing is if they had just suspended naz shah & stuck to a line of this stuff will.not be tolerated the story would have remained hidden way down the running order...instead somebody decided letting red ken give the Hitler defence across the media was a genuis idea...SeanT said:
It's just disastrous for Labour. Full on civil war. The left is going crazy on Twitter.Indigo said:https://twitter.com/nickdearden75/status/725670806345359360
I thought it was a parody, but seems not http://www.theguardian.com/profile/nick-dearden
Thing is they are half right, there clearly is a Blairite attempt to destabilise Corbyn. e.g. John Mann was obviously hamming it up for the cameras, today.
Or did Seamus think that there would be nothing wrong with letting his old chum Ken rant about Hitler on TV for a quarter of an hour?
twitter.com/DPMcBride/status/725641963744182272
Imagine his first day back in the office on Monday. "So, how did last week go guys?"
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If this is true, Corbyn has effectively ceased to be party leader. If he cannot command sufficient authority to control internal affairs, he is not even a lame duckScott_P said:@georgeeaton: I'm told that Team Corbyn wanted John Mann suspended but the whips office said no.
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I actually never thought I'd live to see day when Owen Jones is hounded for being too Tory. #insanity #riplabour https://t.co/27UJOIAJ6Q
Check Owens timeline, Holy Moly0 -
Miss Plato, didn't Robespierre end up falling victim to the revolution?0
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I had to be on an all day training course today of all days....
Anyway - Labour insanity part 999
http://order-order.com/2016/04/28/corbyns-callaghan-moment/0 -
It isn't racist. It never was racist.Philip_Thompson said:
How is it racist to equate Khan with extremists when he has repeatedly associated with people who are extremists, many of whom were known at the time to be extremists?Danny565 said:Incidentally, I would agree that this should lengthen the odds on a Khan victory.
Although the Tory campaign, of saying Khan is a sympathiser because he attended innocuous events with people who years later would prove to be extremists, remains racist, it will have more plausibility to the average floating voter who is only paying a bit of attention when they see various Labour people who genuinely are racist in the news.
The same was said (quite rightly) with Livingstone himself last time. Was that racist too?
But it is an easy smear to attempt.
Khan has a track record of associating with extremists - that deserves to be open to scrutiny.0 -
The purge turns on its own.Plato_Says said:I actually never thought I'd live to see day when Owen Jones is hounded for being too Tory. #insanity #riplabour https://t.co/27UJOIAJ6Q
Check Owens timeline, Holy Moly0 -
In ARSE4US you must trust ....MTimT said:JackW said:
And yet strangely neither the pollsters or the markets are finding Trump so tempting ....MTimT said:
If that is truly the case, then there is no contest. Trump has it wrapped up already.weejonnie said:
It's the non-college-educated man/ woman who is going to win it. Clinton cannot get much more out of the Hispanics/ blacks.Pulpstar said:
No incumbency effect for the DEMs this time.Alistair said:
Here's Rasmussen's 2012 presidential pollingLondonBob said:http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2016/24_opt_out_of_a_clinton_trump_race
Trump 38 - Clinton 38
Trump leads 38 to 27 amongst unaffiliated.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/election_2012
Every single "toss up" state with a Romeny lead won by 5% or more by Obama.
Which is why the words "if that is truly the case".
Personally, I don't know what the f*** is going on this election apart from the fact that I don't know what the f*** is going on. One of the reasons that I have been so quiet on the whole US election cycle since I realized my 'Trump and Cruz will never get the nomination' line was clearly incorrect. Rather eat humble pie once than continuously ... 0 -
Well done to the whips. Mann deserved tea and biscuits with the Chief Whip, with no tea and no biscuits.Scott_P said:@georgeeaton: I'm told that Team Corbyn wanted John Mann suspended but the whips office said no.
Suspending him in some tit-for-tat would have likely triggered shad cab resignations.0 -
Seems even more likely there will be an attempted coup after the EU referendum.oxfordsimon said:
If this is true, Corbyn has effectively ceased to be party leader. If he cannot command sufficient authority to control internal affairs, he is not even a lame duckScott_P said:@georgeeaton: I'm told that Team Corbyn wanted John Mann suspended but the whips office said no.
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It's really not. Livingstone' s comments today were utterly repulsive. But perhaps they didn't bother you?Speedy said:
Indeed, this has nothing to do with antisemitism, it's the usual campaign to get rid of Corbyn by the Blairites.surbiton said:The last Labour leader was Jewish. I don't remember anyone talking about it at the time. Sadiq Khan was his Campaign Manager !
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I've being saying that for more than a month.JackW said:Pew reporting GOP struggling more because of their more toxic nomination process :
REP - Unfavourable 62% .. Favourable 33% .. Net -29
DEM - Unfavourable 50% .. Favourable 45% .. Net -5
http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/polls/pew-24394
And today Ted Cruz recorded a new popularity low with republicans, at -1 with Gallup:
http://www.gallup.com/poll/189299/presidential-election-2016-key-indicators.aspx?g_source=ELECTION_2016&g_medium=topic&g_campaign=tiles
Trump and Kasich are at +20.
Hillary is at +44 and Sanders at +53 with Democrats.0 -
That is utter nonsense.Speedy said:
Indeed, this has nothing to do with antisemitism, it's the usual campaign to get rid of Corbyn by the Blairites.surbiton said:The last Labour leader was Jewish. I don't remember anyone talking about it at the time. Sadiq Khan was his Campaign Manager !
Corbyn is being undone by the ill-considered and offensive remarks of one of his closest political friends - combined with a complete inability to take control of party discipline when it is most needed.
Owen Jones is no Blairite, neither is Sadiq Khan and the founder of Momentum certainly isn't - and they all called for Livingstone to go. Corbyn took hours before being forced into accepting the inevitable.
Corbyn and Livingstone are to blame for this. Not the 'Blairites'0 -
You wouldn't really want to be serving alongside the HMS Arnaud Amalric though, emblazoned with "Kill them all and let God sort them out".....MTimT said:
Excellent indeed.Sean_F said:
The best name for a RN warship was HMS Caligula, so called because it had the words "Oderint dum Metuant" painted down the side ("Let them hate me, so long as they fear me.")MTimT said:
Did the change in naming practice coincide with the Ministry of War becoming the Ministry of Defence?Patrick said:
RN ships always used to have excellent names. Warspite. Iron Duke. Dreadnought. Ark Royal. They said 'Britannia rules the waves and don't mess, sunshine'. These days it all seems a bit less uplifting. The two new carriers are OK but utterly bland. I'd have preferred HMS Throatripper and HMS Bloodaxe - or similar.Moses_ said:
What a superb name for a ship though. It really was. Legendary. I was lucky enough to visit the one that Rod Stewart sang about. Sadly that one became so old that maintenance costs were becoming a serous issue. They even had to get Rod to rerecord his theme tune....Sunil_Prasannan said:
If you name it "Ark Royal" we can even fly and land planes from it!Moses_ said:
Damn! I changed it as quick as I could. I blame autocorrect.MrsB said:
I think you mean "ark". An "arc" is something to do with electricity isn't it? And an electrical arc and floods REALLY wouldn't be a good idea....Moses_ said:If we leave the EU we will all become anti Zionist bigots and have to build an ark to protect us from the global warming floods.
Think that just about covers all the angles.......
As the chief designer of the Ark I should know... This latest one was just a more updated model
I am bailing ...I am bailing ...cross the sea
I always like HMS Indomitable as a name. Shade of the Borg Collective - resistance is futile.
Perhaps then the sister ships could be:
HMS Machiavelli with the words "Venerable and Terrible"
HMS Stalin with the words "Death solves all problems"
HMS Genghis Khan with "I am the punishment of God"
and so on ...
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I don't see how you come to that conclusion, quite frankly. That it is part of the anti-Corbyn campaign is clear, and attempts are being made to maximise the damage to Corbyn personally from those who despise him.Speedy said:
I see this whole affair as a pile of crap which started last year by anti-Corbynites in the Jewish Chronicle, there are a lot of bear traps and Livingstone fell into one.kle4 said:
Well in fairness, it might be being used by those part of a coup against him...it's just that the coup plotters are responding to events, not fabricating things, so even if the criticism is from them and they hate him, it doesn't matter, the reason for the criticism is still there.Scott_P said:@PolhomeEditor: Is Jeremy Corbyn suggesting the criticism of Ken Livingstone's Hitler stuff is part of a coup against him? https://t.co/ICj6jepLve
However the behaviour of John Mann makes it clear that this is part of the anti-Corbyn campaign and has nothing to do with antisemitism.
But these things were said, they are unacceptable, so whatever the motivations behind those who are leading the charge, it's still a problem for Labour. That there are other factors at play does not mean it has nothing to do with antisemitism.
That you think Livingstone 'fell into' a 'bear trap' does not hold water with me either, personally. His remarks seem to be entirely inappropriate at the very least, and hypocritical of him to defend given the hugely partisan nature of his own politics and how he would never, in a million years, think an opponent of his should be let off for, being super generous, inelegant language.
And more to the point, if you blunder into a 'trap' like that it is your own damn fault. The easy way to avoid the trap is not to hold and display unacceptable views. That was evidently beyond Ken.0 -
Dan Hannan
Today, EFTA signed a free trade agreement with the Philippines. The talks took less than one year. Via @Hjortur_J: https://t.co/hpkFdpRoj40 -
To be historically pedantic (unlikely Ken), Callaghan never said these words. He said: "I don't think other people in the world would share the view [that] there is mounting chaos."runnymede said:
Well it was people like Corbyn that sank Callaghan, wasn't it? And who transformed Labour from a patriotic (if often misguided) party into the hideous composite of middle class smugness, ethnic grievance politics and borderline insanity that it is now.oxfordsimon said:
Corbyn is no Callaghan.Scott_P said:INFAMY! INFAMY!
https://twitter.com/guidofawkes/status/725719535458897920
Callaghan was a decent human being. A towering giant compared to the weasel who now 'leads' Labour
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A characteristic of Corbyn’s new ‘old’ Labour is how quickly they turn on each other unless ruthlessly ‘on-message’ – It was only a matter of time before Owen got the full treatment.Plato_Says said:I actually never thought I'd live to see day when Owen Jones is hounded for being too Tory. #insanity #riplabour https://t.co/27UJOIAJ6Q
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John Mann for Labour Leader?rottenborough said:
Seems even more likely there will be an attempted coup after the EU referendum.oxfordsimon said:
If this is true, Corbyn has effectively ceased to be party leader. If he cannot command sufficient authority to control internal affairs, he is not even a lame duckScott_P said:@georgeeaton: I'm told that Team Corbyn wanted John Mann suspended but the whips office said no.
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Ahah!Patrick said:I think Labour has today deepened its image as the party of welfare scroungers and Jihadists. Not convinced that is a good look for Middle England.
You have just outed yourself as a member of the Global Jewish conspiracy !!
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Also worth looking at the longer view.Pulpstar said:
Wouldn't something like the Netherlands be a fairer comparison, or are there good reasons to suspect we're more like southern than northern Europe economically ?MarkHopkins said:
For example in Spain the years 2000-2008 had some of the lowest youth unemployment of all time under the Euro, significantly better than the Peseta days:
http://www.tradingeconomics.com/spain/youth-unemployment-rate
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The difference being that Livingstone actually did associate himself with the SENTIMENTS of extremists. For all the hysteria, Khan has never associated himself with the sentiments of extremists, and attending events that were completely unrelated to Islamist causes that also happened to be attended by extremists, is not the same thing at all. Ask Zac:Philip_Thompson said:
How is it racist to equate Khan with extremists when he has repeatedly associated with people who are extremists, many of whom were known at the time to be extremists?Danny565 said:Incidentally, I would agree that this should lengthen the odds on a Khan victory.
Although the Tory campaign, of saying Khan is a sympathiser because he attended innocuous events with people who years later would prove to be extremists, remains racist, it will have more plausibility to the average floating voter who is only paying a bit of attention when they see various Labour people who genuinely are racist in the news.
The same was said (quite rightly) with Livingstone himself last time. Was that racist too?
https://twitter.com/sulimangani/status/720353591366705152
The only difference between what Zac did and what Sadiq did is that Sadiq has a brown face. You can squawk all you want, but that's the fact.0 -
Bloody hell .... the Philippines managed to exit the EU without anyone noticing they were in.Plato_Says said:Dan Hannan
Today, EFTA signed a free trade agreement with the Philippines. The talks took less than one year. Via @Hjortur_J: https://t.co/hpkFdpRoj40 -
Israel has powerful influence. One way or other it will get you. Either by a death squad or through character assassination.
Today, if you criticise Israel, first you are labelled as anti-zionist and then anti-semetic.
The concept of Semitic ethnicity does not exist. Semitic people are those who spoke a Semetic language. The Israelis today are a very small part of the semetic people.
The expression has been hijacked.-1 -
Of course Livingstone had to go, I hate Hitler and I also think that John Mann should go too for his behaviour.oxfordsimon said:
That is utter nonsense.Speedy said:
Indeed, this has nothing to do with antisemitism, it's the usual campaign to get rid of Corbyn by the Blairites.surbiton said:The last Labour leader was Jewish. I don't remember anyone talking about it at the time. Sadiq Khan was his Campaign Manager !
Corbyn is being undone by the ill-considered and offensive remarks of one of his closest political friends - combined with a complete inability to take control of party discipline when it is most needed.
Owen Jones is no Blairite, neither is Sadiq Khan and the founder of Momentum certainly isn't - and they all called for Livingstone to go. Corbyn took hours before being forced into accepting the inevitable.
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Bit harsh on Rod.Moses_ said:
I was lucky enough to visit the one that Rod Stewart sang about. Sadly that one became so old that maintenance costs were becoming a serous issue.Sunil_Prasannan said:
If you name it "Ark Royal" we can even fly and land planes from it!Moses_ said:
Damn! I changed it as quick as I could. I blame autocorrect.MrsB said:
I think you mean "ark". An "arc" is something to do with electricity isn't it? And an electrical arc and floods REALLY wouldn't be a good idea....Moses_ said:If we leave the EU we will all become anti Zionist bigots and have to build an ark to protect us from the global warming floods.
Think that just about covers all the angles.......
As the chief designer of the Ark I should know... This latest one was just a more updated model
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Naz Shah and Livingstone did much more than criticise Israel.surbiton said:Israel has powerful influence. One way or other it will get you. Either by a death squad or through character assassination.
Today, if you criticise Israel, first you are labelled as anti-zionist and then anti-semetic.
The concept of Semitic ethnicity does not exist. Semitic people are those who spoke a Semetic language. The Israelis today are a very small part of the semetic people.
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Nurse...!surbiton said:Israel has powerful influence. One way or other it will get you. Either by a death squad or through character assassination.
Today, if you criticise Israel, first you are labelled as anti-zionist and then anti-semetic.
The concept of Semitic ethnicity does not exist. Semitic people are those who spoke a Semetic language. The Israelis today are a very small part of the semetic people.
The expression has been hijacked.0 -
They are also composed of many islands ! They must have also negotiated the free movement of people. Just go to a hospital.JackW said:
Bloody hell .... the Philippines managed to exit the EU without anyone noticing they were in.Plato_Says said:Dan Hannan
Today, EFTA signed a free trade agreement with the Philippines. The talks took less than one year. Via @Hjortur_J: https://t.co/hpkFdpRoj40 -
Hitler was a zionist. I've heard it all now.
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surbiton said:
Israel has powerful influence. One way or other it will get you. Either by a death squad or through character assassination.
Today, if you criticise Israel, first you are labelled as anti-zionist and then anti-semetic.
The concept of Semitic ethnicity does not exist. Semitic people are those who spoke a Semetic language. The Israelis today are a very small part of the semetic people.
The expression has been hijacked.
So "the Jews are rallying" is merely an objective critique of the State of Israel?surbiton said:Israel has powerful influence. One way or other it will get you. Either by a death squad or through character assassination.
Today, if you criticise Israel, first you are labelled as anti-zionist and then anti-semetic.
The concept of Semitic ethnicity does not exist. Semitic people are those who spoke a Semetic language. The Israelis today are a very small part of the semetic people.
The expression has been hijacked.0 -
Meanwhile Trump is into 4.9.0
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It is interesting how some people see no difference between criticising the policy of a country and wanting its citizens wiped off the map, forcibly.SimonStClare said:
Nurse...!surbiton said:Israel has powerful influence. One way or other it will get you. Either by a death squad or through character assassination.
Today, if you criticise Israel, first you are labelled as anti-zionist and then anti-semetic.
The concept of Semitic ethnicity does not exist. Semitic people are those who spoke a Semetic language. The Israelis today are a very small part of the semetic people.
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Well, for 4 months now Labour have had concerns about Barnet & Camden. Currently, they are saying it is lost. A week is a long time in politics. However. Labour didn't win it last time, Tories, with Brian Coleman lost it. Of all assembly member seats, this is the one likely to turn Blue.justin124 said:
I doubt that it will make much difference . If Livingstone were still the candidate it might be more serious - but he isn't!AndyJS said:It'd be interesting to know what Andrew Dismore thinks about all this as he defends a Labour majority of 12.8% in Barnet and Camden.
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