If we leave the EU we will all become anti Zionist bigots and have to build an ark to protect us from the global warming floods.
Think that just about covers all the angles.......
I think you mean "ark". An "arc" is something to do with electricity isn't it? And an electrical arc and floods REALLY wouldn't be a good idea....
Damn! I changed it as quick as I could. I blame autocorrect.
As the chief designer of the Ark I should know... This latest one was just a more updated model
If you name it "Ark Royal" we can even fly and land planes from it!
What a superb name for a ship though. It really was. Legendary. I was lucky enough to visit the one that Rod Stewart sang about. Sadly that one became so old that maintenance costs were becoming a serous issue. They even had to get Rod to rerecord his theme tune....
I am bailing ...I am bailing ...cross the sea
RN ships always used to have excellent names. Warspite. Iron Duke. Dreadnought. Ark Royal. They said 'Britannia rules the waves and don't mess, sunshine'. These days it all seems a bit less uplifting. The two new carriers are OK but utterly bland. I'd have preferred HMS Throatripper and HMS Bloodaxe - or similar.
Did the change in naming practice coincide with the Ministry of War becoming the Ministry of Defence?
I always like HMS Indomitable as a name. Shade of the Borg Collective - resistance is futile.
Unfortunately, HMS Resistance was cancelled during WW1:
Putin probably wants Hillary since he had access to her e-mail traffic for several years.
Ah .... that cunning KGB man Putin ....
Just returned from the Isle of Wight (abroad) and on the ferry there was a lady wearing dark glasses and a scarf hidden behind a paper called "Russia ???" something or other with the face of Gorbachov on its front page.
I think there could be Russian sleepers in Cowes.
Beware !
Damn! I want to do the Island Line some time this summer!
The Island Line is amazing.
And possibly the most non-compliant and infrastructure maintenance poor mainline railway in the whole country.
It's just disastrous for Labour. Full on civil war. The left is going crazy on Twitter.
Thing is they are half right, there clearly is a Blairite attempt to destabilise Corbyn. e.g. John Mann was obviously hamming it up for the cameras, today.
It looks like the Blairites won't get their party back anytime soon.
If we leave the EU we will all become anti Zionist bigots and have to build an ark to protect us from the global warming floods.
Think that just about covers all the angles.......
I think you mean "ark". An "arc" is something to do with electricity isn't it? And an electrical arc and floods REALLY wouldn't be a good idea....
Damn! I changed it as quick as I could. I blame autocorrect.
As the chief designer of the Ark I should know... This latest one was just a more updated model
If you name it "Ark Royal" we can even fly and land planes from it!
What a superb name for a ship though. It really was. Legendary. I was lucky enough to visit the one that Rod Stewart sang about. Sadly that one became so old that maintenance costs were becoming a serous issue. They even had to get Rod to rerecord his theme tune....
I am bailing ...I am bailing ...cross the sea
RN ships always used to have excellent names. Warspite. Iron Duke. Dreadnought. Ark Royal. They said 'Britannia rules the waves and don't mess, sunshine'. These days it all seems a bit less uplifting. The two new carriers are OK but utterly bland. I'd have preferred HMS Throatripper and HMS Bloodaxe - or similar.
Did the change in naming practice coincide with the Ministry of War becoming the Ministry of Defence?
I always like HMS Indomitable as a name. Shade of the Borg Collective - resistance is futile.
Unfortunately, HMS Resistance was cancelled during WW1:
Putin probably wants Hillary since he had access to her e-mail traffic for several years.
Ah .... that cunning KGB man Putin ....
Just returned from the Isle of Wight (abroad) and on the ferry there was a lady wearing dark glasses and a scarf hidden behind a paper called "Russia ???" something or other with the face of Gorbachov on its front page.
I think there could be Russian sleepers in Cowes.
Beware !
Damn! I want to do the Island Line some time this summer!
The Island Line is amazing.
And possibly the most non-compliant and infrastructure maintenance poor mainline railway in the whole country.
As a regular Tube user, should be home from home
But seriously, they do use old London Underground trains - from 1938!!!
What a silly article - the nub is whether MPs and persons holding office within the parties hold these views.
It's also a question of whether it is institutionally tolerated. I don't believe it is in the Tory Party
Yes. It is inconceivable that any senior Tory would behave the way Ken did today. It is also pretty inconceivable that a Tory MP would do what Shah did.
The reason the Left is in a bind is because this discourse is privately tolerated, even encouraged in Lefty circles - the anti-Zio crap at universities, the Jew-hating stuff from British-Islamic Labourites, and it's been tolerated so long they've forgotten how awful it looks to outsiders.
Hence perhaps Naz Shah's "shock" at what she herself said. Perhaps she was speaking the truth. It's only when she stepped back and took a good hard look at herself that she realised she was being actively racist.
It's tolerated because they are lefties. They say and do things that anyone else could never ever get away with and would make then front page news as well as BBC news at 6 and if a Tory then News at 10, BBC website entry ( 7 days minimum) and an additional Newsnight special. Personally I call it hypocrisy but still.
It's tolerated because lefties (and the broadcast media) believe that all lefties are morally pure of mind because they are politically correct and right on.... As judged by the domination of the broadcast media by the guardianista class.
Not just that but since they are patently so fecking useless about getting into power, if they don't allow themselves the excuse of "purity of thought", then where are they ?
If we leave the EU we will all become anti Zionist bigots and have to build an ark to protect us from the global warming floods.
Think that just about covers all the angles.......
I think you mean "ark". An "arc" is something to do with electricity isn't it? And an electrical arc and floods REALLY wouldn't be a good idea....
Damn! I changed it as quick as I could. I blame autocorrect.
As the chief designer of the Ark I should know... This latest one was just a more updated model
If you name it "Ark Royal" we can even fly and land planes from it!
What a superb name for a ship though. It really was. Legendary. I was lucky enough to visit the one that Rod Stewart sang about. Sadly that one became so old that maintenance costs were becoming a serous issue. They even had to get Rod to rerecord his theme tune....
I am bailing ...I am bailing ...cross the sea
RN ships always used to have excellent names. Warspite. Iron Duke. Dreadnought. Ark Royal. They said 'Britannia rules the waves and don't mess, sunshine'. These days it all seems a bit less uplifting. The two new carriers are OK but utterly bland. I'd have preferred HMS Throatripper and HMS Bloodaxe - or similar.
Did the change in naming practice coincide with the Ministry of War becoming the Ministry of Defence?
I always like HMS Indomitable as a name. Shade of the Borg Collective - resistance is futile.
Unfortunately, HMS Resistance was cancelled during WW1:
If we leave the EU we will all become anti Zionist bigots and have to build an ark to protect us from the global warming floods.
Think that just about covers all the angles.......
I think you mean "ark". An "arc" is something to do with electricity isn't it? And an electrical arc and floods REALLY wouldn't be a good idea....
Damn! I changed it as quick as I could. I blame autocorrect.
As the chief designer of the Ark I should know... This latest one was just a more updated model
If you name it "Ark Royal" we can even fly and land planes from it!
What a superb name for a ship though. It really was. Legendary. I was lucky enough to visit the one that Rod Stewart sang about. Sadly that one became so old that maintenance costs were becoming a serous issue. They even had to get Rod to rerecord his theme tune....
I am bailing ...I am bailing ...cross the sea
RN ships always used to have excellent names. Warspite. Iron Duke. Dreadnought. Ark Royal. They said 'Britannia rules the waves and don't mess, sunshine'. These days it all seems a bit less uplifting. The two new carriers are OK but utterly bland. I'd have preferred HMS Throatripper and HMS Bloodaxe - or similar.
Did the change in naming practice coincide with the Ministry of War becoming the Ministry of Defence?
I always like HMS Indomitable as a name. Shade of the Borg Collective - resistance is futile.
The best name for a RN warship was HMS Caligula, so called because it had the words "Oderint dum Metuant" painted down the side ("Let them hate me, so long as they fear me.")
It's just disastrous for Labour. Full on civil war. The left is going crazy on Twitter.
Thing is they are half right, there clearly is a Blairite attempt to destabilise Corbyn. e.g. John Mann was obviously hamming it up for the cameras, today.
The thing is if they had just suspended naz shah & stuck to a line of this stuff will.not be tolerated the story would have remained hidden way down the running order...instead somebody decided letting red ken give the Hitler defence across the media was a genuis idea...
If we leave the EU we will all become anti Zionist bigots and have to build an ark to protect us from the global warming floods.
Think that just about covers all the angles.......
I think you mean "ark". An "arc" is something to do with electricity isn't it? And an electrical arc and floods REALLY wouldn't be a good idea....
Damn! I changed it as quick as I could. I blame autocorrect.
As the chief designer of the Ark I should know... This latest one was just a more updated model
If you name it "Ark Royal" we can even fly and land planes from it!
What a superb name for a ship though. It really was. Legendary. I was lucky enough to visit the one that Rod Stewart sang about. Sadly that one became so old that maintenance costs were becoming a serous issue. They even had to get Rod to rerecord his theme tune....
I am bailing ...I am bailing ...cross the sea
RN ships always used to have excellent names. Warspite. Iron Duke. Dreadnought. Ark Royal. They said 'Britannia rules the waves and don't mess, sunshine'. These days it all seems a bit less uplifting. The two new carriers are OK but utterly bland. I'd have preferred HMS Throatripper and HMS Bloodaxe - or similar.
Did the change in naming practice coincide with the Ministry of War becoming the Ministry of Defence?
I always like HMS Indomitable as a name. Shade of the Borg Collective - resistance is futile.
Unfortunately, HMS Resistance was cancelled during WW1:
"Mr Field wasn’t just trying to convince the 30 to 40 per cent of Labour voters who are inclined to vote Leave to do so. He was also worrying aloud about how successive Labour leaders’ views on Europe and immigration have already driven approximately one million left-leaning voters into Ukip’s hands. He fears the exodus will continue if voters who are worried about immigration and loss of national identity see no one in Labour’s top ranks who shares their concerns."
Frankly if 30% or more of Labour voters vote LEAVE that is probably the referendum won for LEAVE.
If you lift up stones, you find all kinds of insect life wriggling underneath.
I feel very sorry for Labour supporters today, the great majority of whom must be holding their heads in despair today. Those people deserve better.
On the other hand, there will be a small group of people, scattered across the country, looking at the events of the past couple of days with quiet, stunned satisfaction, thinking: "best £3 I ever spent".
If we leave the EU we will all become anti Zionist bigots and have to build an ark to protect us from the global warming floods.
Think that just about covers all the angles.......
I think you mean "ark". An "arc" is something to do with electricity isn't it? And an electrical arc and floods REALLY wouldn't be a good idea....
Damn! I changed it as quick as I could. I blame autocorrect.
As the chief designer of the Ark I should know... This latest one was just a more updated model
If you name it "Ark Royal" we can even fly and land planes from it!
What a superb name for a ship though. It really was. Legendary. I was lucky enough to visit the one that Rod Stewart sang about. Sadly that one became so old that maintenance costs were becoming a serous issue. They even had to get Rod to rerecord his theme tune....
I am bailing ...I am bailing ...cross the sea
RN ships always used to have excellent names. Warspite. Iron Duke. Dreadnought. Ark Royal. They said 'Britannia rules the waves and don't mess, sunshine'. These days it all seems a bit less uplifting. The two new carriers are OK but utterly bland. I'd have preferred HMS Throatripper and HMS Bloodaxe - or similar.
Did the change in naming practice coincide with the Ministry of War becoming the Ministry of Defence?
I always like HMS Indomitable as a name. Shade of the Borg Collective - resistance is futile.
Unfortunately, HMS Resistance was cancelled during WW1:
This may be a bigger threat to Cameron than the referendum.
Michael Crick ✔ @MichaelLCrick Lots of Tory MPs will be worried by Elect Comm asking CPS & police to extend by 12 mons, deadline on offences from 2015 election expenses
I can't believe pockets of infighting are breaking out across Twitter over whether Hitler wanted to help the Jewish population find a pleasant, cosy little home in Transjordan or not....
Talk about lefty over-analysing. It's fucking surreal.
If we leave the EU we will all become anti Zionist bigots and have to build an ark to protect us from the global warming floods.
Think that just about covers all the angles.......
I think you mean "ark". An "arc" is something to do with electricity isn't it? And an electrical arc and floods REALLY wouldn't be a good idea....
Damn! I changed it as quick as I could. I blame autocorrect.
As the chief designer of the Ark I should know... This latest one was just a more updated model
If you name it "Ark Royal" we can even fly and land planes from it!
What a superb name for a ship though. It really was. Legendary. I was lucky enough to visit the one that Rod Stewart sang about. Sadly that one became so old that maintenance costs were becoming a serous issue. They even had to get Rod to rerecord his theme tune....
I am bailing ...I am bailing ...cross the sea
RN ships always used to have excellent names. Warspite. Iron Duke. Dreadnought. Ark Royal. They said 'Britannia rules the waves and don't mess, sunshine'. These days it all seems a bit less uplifting. The two new carriers are OK but utterly bland. I'd have preferred HMS Throatripper and HMS Bloodaxe - or similar.
Did the change in naming practice coincide with the Ministry of War becoming the Ministry of Defence?
I always like HMS Indomitable as a name. Shade of the Borg Collective - resistance is futile.
Unfortunately, HMS Resistance was cancelled during WW1:
I went off Star Wars wikis when I found out Palpatine's first name was apparently Sheev, and Grand Moff Tarquin's was Wilhuf. I find it harder to fear them with those names.
Putin probably wants Hillary since he had access to her e-mail traffic for several years.
Ah .... that cunning KGB man Putin ....
Just returned from the Isle of Wight (abroad) and on the ferry there was a lady wearing dark glasses and a scarf hidden behind a paper called "Russia ???" something or other with the face of Gorbachov on its front page.
I think there could be Russian sleepers in Cowes.
Beware !
Damn! I want to do the Island Line some time this summer!
The Island Line is amazing.
And possibly the most non-compliant and infrastructure maintenance poor mainline railway in the whole country.
If we leave the EU we will all become anti Zionist bigots and have to build an ark to protect us from the global warming floods.
Think that just about covers all the angles.......
I think you mean "ark". An "arc" is something to do with electricity isn't it? And an electrical arc and floods REALLY wouldn't be a good idea....
Damn! I changed it as quick as I could. I blame autocorrect.
As the chief designer of the Ark I should know... This latest one was just a more updated model
If you name it "Ark Royal" we can even fly and land planes from it!
What a superb name for a ship though. It really was. Legendary. I was lucky enough to visit the one that Rod Stewart sang about. Sadly that one became so old that maintenance costs were becoming a serous issue. They even had to get Rod to rerecord his theme tune....
I am bailing ...I am bailing ...cross the sea
RN ships always used to have excellent names. Warspite. Iron Duke. Dreadnought. Ark Royal. They said 'Britannia rules the waves and don't mess, sunshine'. These days it all seems a bit less uplifting. The two new carriers are OK but utterly bland. I'd have preferred HMS Throatripper and HMS Bloodaxe - or similar.
Did the change in naming practice coincide with the Ministry of War becoming the Ministry of Defence?
I always like HMS Indomitable as a name. Shade of the Borg Collective - resistance is futile.
The best name for a RN warship was HMS Caligula, so called because it had the words "Oderint dum Metuant" painted down the side ("Let them hate me, so long as they fear me.")
Excellent indeed.
Perhaps then the sister ships could be:
HMS Machiavelli with the words "Venerable and Terrible" HMS Stalin with the words "Death solves all problems" HMS Genghis Khan with "I am the punishment of God" and so on ...
If anyone has the time, it is very well worth reading the essays and books by Paul Berman on how Koranic injunctions against Jews have fused with Nazi propaganda during WW2 in the Arab countries, particularly in Egypt, been absorbed by the Muslim Brotherhood and Sayyid Qutb (strongly influencing Al Qaeda) and has spread deep into the Islamist ideology. Many believing in that ideology think that the only thing wrong with the Holocaust was that it did not go far enough and think too that the destruction of Israel and the Jews (not just the Jews in Israel) are necessary and desirable. It is one reason why Jewish targets are often picked during Islamist terror attacks (see Mumbai, Paris, Denmark).
What makes this particularly toxic and hard to eradicate - though as far as I can tell this has not even been attempted - is that it has its roots not just in Islamist ideology and the baleful effects of Nazi thought spreading in Arab countries (not to mention the historical links between Arab leaders such as Amin al-Husseini, Yasser Arafat's uncle and the Nazis) but in Koranic dicta. So that makes it harder to say that it is unIslamic to despise Jews. And as some Muslim commentators have said, this is one of those dirty little secrets and unacknowledged assumptions which have gone unchallenged by too many within and outside the Muslim community.
Mix into this the anti-American, anti-Western, anti-capitalist (Jews are gold-loving capitalists controlling the world tropes are never very far away - look at some of the tweets Luciana Berger MP received), anti- colonialist thought of a significant part of the Left and you have today's Labour Party.
This is not about whether Corbyn takes action against this or that Labour MP or councillor or member. Corbyn is part of the problem. Not the solution.
It's just disastrous for Labour. Full on civil war. The left is going crazy on Twitter.
Thing is they are half right, there clearly is a Blairite attempt to destabilise Corbyn. e.g. John Mann was obviously hamming it up for the cameras, today.
The thing is if they had just suspended naz shah & stuck to a line of this stuff will.not be tolerated the story would have remained hidden way down the running order...instead somebody decided letting red ken give the Hitler defence across the media was a genuis idea...
I thought they had "Mr" McBride back?
Or did Seamus think that there would be nothing wrong with letting his old chum Ken rant about Hitler on TV for a quarter of an hour?
Yet the fingers wouldn’t listen. Powerless to intervene, Mrs Shah wailed in dismay as they published the opinions on Facebook, and then defied her despairing pleas to delete them.
Poor Mrs Shah. A hostage to her own hands. Still, she had to act, and swiftly, to prove that she utterly rejected the comments misattributed to her by her fingers. There was only one thing for it.
Keep schtum for two years, and apologise only once her views had been exposed in the media.
If we leave the EU we will all become anti Zionist bigots and have to build an ark to protect us from the global warming floods.
Think that just about covers all the angles.......
I think you mean "ark". An "arc" is something to do with electricity isn't it? And an electrical arc and floods REALLY wouldn't be a good idea....
Damn! I changed it as quick as I could. I blame autocorrect.
As the chief designer of the Ark I should know... This latest one was just a more updated model
If you name it "Ark Royal" we can even fly and land planes from it!
What a superb name for a ship though. It really was. Legendary. I was lucky enough to visit the one that Rod Stewart sang about. Sadly that one became so old that maintenance costs were becoming a serous issue. They even had to get Rod to rerecord his theme tune....
I am bailing ...I am bailing ...cross the sea
RN ships always used to have excellent names. Warspite. Iron Duke. Dreadnought. Ark Royal. They said 'Britannia rules the waves and don't mess, sunshine'. These days it all seems a bit less uplifting. The two new carriers are OK but utterly bland. I'd have preferred HMS Throatripper and HMS Bloodaxe - or similar.
Did the change in naming practice coincide with the Ministry of War becoming the Ministry of Defence?
I always like HMS Indomitable as a name. Shade of the Borg Collective - resistance is futile.
Unfortunately, HMS Resistance was cancelled during WW1:
We must surely have one of the highest number of MPs having had the whip withdrawn for many years.
With the SNP having lost members and now at least two MPs from the Labour benches sitting as independents due to investigations into alleged wrongdoing of some sort of another - it has been a pretty turbulent start to this parliament.
I can't believe pockets of infighting are breaking out across Twitter over whether Hitler wanted to help the Jewish population find a pleasant, cosy little home in Transjordan or not....
Talk about lefty over-analysing. It's fucking surreal.
We’ve seen it all before, if the target of today’s brouhaha was the present Mayor, rather than the old, there would be no analysing by the left on the merits of what was said, just outright condemnation. - Today’s Twitter comments would also be higher by a factor of 10.
It's just disastrous for Labour. Full on civil war. The left is going crazy on Twitter.
Thing is they are half right, there clearly is a Blairite attempt to destabilise Corbyn. e.g. John Mann was obviously hamming it up for the cameras, today.
The thing is if they had just suspended naz shah & stuck to a line of this stuff will.not be tolerated the story would have remained hidden way down the running order...instead somebody decided letting red ken give the Hitler defence across the media was a genuis idea...
I thought they had "Mr" McBride back?
Or did Seamus think that there would be nothing wrong with letting his old chum Ken rant about Hitler on TV for a quarter of an hour?
Well in fairness, it might be being used by those part of a coup against him...it's just that the coup plotters are responding to events, not fabricating things, so even if the criticism is from them and they hate him, it doesn't matter, the reason for the criticism is still there.
Every single "toss up" state with a Romeny lead won by 5% or more by Obama.
No incumbency effect for the DEMs this time.
It's the non-college-educated man/ woman who is going to win it. Clinton cannot get much more out of the Hispanics/ blacks.
If that is truly the case, then there is no contest. Trump has it wrapped up already.
The man will vote for Trump, the woman for HRC. If she votes at all.
The woman, if she is over 50, will vote HRC. If she is under 25, she is for Bernie and may well not vote. If she is rural, between 25 and 50, she'll vote Trump. Overall, Trump wins that demographic big time.
Incidentally, I would agree that this should lengthen the odds on a Khan victory.
Although the Tory campaign, of saying Khan is a sympathiser because he attended innocuous events with people who years later would prove to be extremists, remains racist, it will have more plausibility to the average floating voter who is only paying a bit of attention when they see various Labour people who genuinely are racist in the news.
It'd be interesting to know what Andrew Dismore thinks about all this as he defends a Labour majority of 12.8% in Barnet and Camden.
He's probably polishing his CV if he has any sense. Today's row might not have a huge effect on the Mayoral election, but the other elections next week may be more difficult than a lot of moderate Labour candidates in some areas were expecting!
Well in fairness, it might be being used by those part of a coup against him...it's just that the coup plotters are responding to events, not fabricating things, so even if the criticism is from them and they hate him, it doesn't matter, the reason for the criticism is still there.
It is a much better pretext for a coup than military action in Syria. On that occasion, Jeremy Corbyn had the membership solidly on side. On this occasion, I expect the bulk of Labour party members will be horrified at the lack of leadership shown on this subject.
Every single "toss up" state with a Romeny lead won by 5% or more by Obama.
No incumbency effect for the DEMs this time.
It's the non-college-educated man/ woman who is going to win it. Clinton cannot get much more out of the Hispanics/ blacks.
If that is truly the case, then there is no contest. Trump has it wrapped up already.
And yet strangely neither the pollsters or the markets are finding Trump so tempting ....
Which is why the words "if that is truly the case".
Personally, I don't know what the f*** is going on this election apart from the fact that I don't know what the f*** is going on. One of the reasons that I have been so quiet on the whole US election cycle since I realized my 'Trump and Cruz will never get the nomination' line was clearly incorrect. Rather eat humble pie once than continuously ...
To be a member of this party on such a day, in concert with such a man, is to feel pride’s other, which is shame. How did it ever come to this?
It came to this because the party elected a feeble incompetent as its leader and all the filth has swept in. Jeremy Corbyn did not create antisemitism on the left, nor does he seek to foster it. But all leaders have an ambit, a space around them in which some beliefs are licensed and others are proscribed. A life on the fringe left of British politics steeps its student members in the ignorant loathing of America and Israel. Under a serious leader these people are nowhere near the seat of power. Under Mr Corbyn, one of them is the director of strategy who allows a terrible story to run for hours with no comment at all from the leader. There is an adage that, in modern politics, you are either quick or you are dead. Labour adds a third category: zombie.
The chief zombie, stretching back years now, is Ken Livingstone.
Incidentally, I would agree that this should lengthen the odds on a Khan victory.
Although the Tory campaign, of saying Khan is a sympathiser because he attended innocuous events with people who years later would prove to be extremists, remains racist, it will have more plausibility to the average floating voter who is only paying a bit of attention when they see various Labour people who genuinely are racist in the news.
How is it racist to equate Khan with extremists when he has repeatedly associated with people who are extremists, many of whom were known at the time to be extremists?
The same was said (quite rightly) with Livingstone himself last time. Was that racist too?
The last Labour leader was Jewish. I don't remember anyone talking about it at the time. Sadiq Khan was his Campaign Manager !
Ed M is actually the reason I give more credence to concerns about antisemitism and general racism thesedays, as I was shocked to discover I had family members dismissing him in openly anti-Semitic ways during the GE. people I'd never heard make such remarks.
Well in fairness, it might be being used by those part of a coup against him...it's just that the coup plotters are responding to events, not fabricating things, so even if the criticism is from them and they hate him, it doesn't matter, the reason for the criticism is still there.
I see this whole affair as a pile of crap which started last year by anti-Corbynites in the Jewish Chronicle, there are a lot of bear traps and Livingstone fell into one.
However the behaviour of John Mann makes it clear that this is part of the anti-Corbyn campaign and has nothing to do with antisemitism.
Callaghan was a decent human being. A towering giant compared to the weasel who now 'leads' Labour
Well it was people like Corbyn that sank Callaghan, wasn't it? And who transformed Labour from a patriotic (if often misguided) party into the hideous composite of middle class smugness, ethnic grievance politics and borderline insanity that it is now.
It's just disastrous for Labour. Full on civil war. The left is going crazy on Twitter.
Thing is they are half right, there clearly is a Blairite attempt to destabilise Corbyn. e.g. John Mann was obviously hamming it up for the cameras, today.
The thing is if they had just suspended naz shah & stuck to a line of this stuff will.not be tolerated the story would have remained hidden way down the running order...instead somebody decided letting red ken give the Hitler defence across the media was a genuis idea...
I thought they had "Mr" McBride back?
Or did Seamus think that there would be nothing wrong with letting his old chum Ken rant about Hitler on TV for a quarter of an hour?
Damian McBride is on a stag weekend:
twitter.com/DPMcBride/status/725641963744182272
Ha, if he has any sense he'll have the phone off and not be watching any British TV!
Imagine his first day back in the office on Monday. "So, how did last week go guys?"
@georgeeaton: I'm told that Team Corbyn wanted John Mann suspended but the whips office said no.
If this is true, Corbyn has effectively ceased to be party leader. If he cannot command sufficient authority to control internal affairs, he is not even a lame duck
Incidentally, I would agree that this should lengthen the odds on a Khan victory.
Although the Tory campaign, of saying Khan is a sympathiser because he attended innocuous events with people who years later would prove to be extremists, remains racist, it will have more plausibility to the average floating voter who is only paying a bit of attention when they see various Labour people who genuinely are racist in the news.
How is it racist to equate Khan with extremists when he has repeatedly associated with people who are extremists, many of whom were known at the time to be extremists?
The same was said (quite rightly) with Livingstone himself last time. Was that racist too?
It isn't racist. It never was racist.
But it is an easy smear to attempt.
Khan has a track record of associating with extremists - that deserves to be open to scrutiny.
Every single "toss up" state with a Romeny lead won by 5% or more by Obama.
No incumbency effect for the DEMs this time.
It's the non-college-educated man/ woman who is going to win it. Clinton cannot get much more out of the Hispanics/ blacks.
If that is truly the case, then there is no contest. Trump has it wrapped up already.
And yet strangely neither the pollsters or the markets are finding Trump so tempting ....
Which is why the words "if that is truly the case".
Personally, I don't know what the f*** is going on this election apart from the fact that I don't know what the f*** is going on. One of the reasons that I have been so quiet on the whole US election cycle since I realized my 'Trump and Cruz will never get the nomination' line was clearly incorrect. Rather eat humble pie once than continuously ...
@georgeeaton: I'm told that Team Corbyn wanted John Mann suspended but the whips office said no.
If this is true, Corbyn has effectively ceased to be party leader. If he cannot command sufficient authority to control internal affairs, he is not even a lame duck
Seems even more likely there will be an attempted coup after the EU referendum.
The last Labour leader was Jewish. I don't remember anyone talking about it at the time. Sadiq Khan was his Campaign Manager !
Indeed, this has nothing to do with antisemitism, it's the usual campaign to get rid of Corbyn by the Blairites.
That is utter nonsense.
Corbyn is being undone by the ill-considered and offensive remarks of one of his closest political friends - combined with a complete inability to take control of party discipline when it is most needed.
Owen Jones is no Blairite, neither is Sadiq Khan and the founder of Momentum certainly isn't - and they all called for Livingstone to go. Corbyn took hours before being forced into accepting the inevitable.
Corbyn and Livingstone are to blame for this. Not the 'Blairites'
If we leave the EU we will all become anti Zionist bigots and have to build an ark to protect us from the global warming floods.
Think that just about covers all the angles.......
I think you mean "ark". An "arc" is something to do with electricity isn't it? And an electrical arc and floods REALLY wouldn't be a good idea....
Damn! I changed it as quick as I could. I blame autocorrect.
As the chief designer of the Ark I should know... This latest one was just a more updated model
If you name it "Ark Royal" we can even fly and land planes from it!
What a superb name for a ship though. It really was. Legendary. I was lucky enough to visit the one that Rod Stewart sang about. Sadly that one became so old that maintenance costs were becoming a serous issue. They even had to get Rod to rerecord his theme tune....
I am bailing ...I am bailing ...cross the sea
RN ships always used to have excellent names. Warspite. Iron Duke. Dreadnought. Ark Royal. They said 'Britannia rules the waves and don't mess, sunshine'. These days it all seems a bit less uplifting. The two new carriers are OK but utterly bland. I'd have preferred HMS Throatripper and HMS Bloodaxe - or similar.
Did the change in naming practice coincide with the Ministry of War becoming the Ministry of Defence?
I always like HMS Indomitable as a name. Shade of the Borg Collective - resistance is futile.
The best name for a RN warship was HMS Caligula, so called because it had the words "Oderint dum Metuant" painted down the side ("Let them hate me, so long as they fear me.")
Excellent indeed.
Perhaps then the sister ships could be:
HMS Machiavelli with the words "Venerable and Terrible" HMS Stalin with the words "Death solves all problems" HMS Genghis Khan with "I am the punishment of God" and so on ...
You wouldn't really want to be serving alongside the HMS Arnaud Amalric though, emblazoned with "Kill them all and let God sort them out".....
Well in fairness, it might be being used by those part of a coup against him...it's just that the coup plotters are responding to events, not fabricating things, so even if the criticism is from them and they hate him, it doesn't matter, the reason for the criticism is still there.
I see this whole affair as a pile of crap which started last year by anti-Corbynites in the Jewish Chronicle, there are a lot of bear traps and Livingstone fell into one.
However the behaviour of John Mann makes it clear that this is part of the anti-Corbyn campaign and has nothing to do with antisemitism.
I don't see how you come to that conclusion, quite frankly. That it is part of the anti-Corbyn campaign is clear, and attempts are being made to maximise the damage to Corbyn personally from those who despise him.
But these things were said, they are unacceptable, so whatever the motivations behind those who are leading the charge, it's still a problem for Labour. That there are other factors at play does not mean it has nothing to do with antisemitism.
That you think Livingstone 'fell into' a 'bear trap' does not hold water with me either, personally. His remarks seem to be entirely inappropriate at the very least, and hypocritical of him to defend given the hugely partisan nature of his own politics and how he would never, in a million years, think an opponent of his should be let off for, being super generous, inelegant language.
And more to the point, if you blunder into a 'trap' like that it is your own damn fault. The easy way to avoid the trap is not to hold and display unacceptable views. That was evidently beyond Ken.
Callaghan was a decent human being. A towering giant compared to the weasel who now 'leads' Labour
Well it was people like Corbyn that sank Callaghan, wasn't it? And who transformed Labour from a patriotic (if often misguided) party into the hideous composite of middle class smugness, ethnic grievance politics and borderline insanity that it is now.
To be historically pedantic (unlikely Ken), Callaghan never said these words. He said: "I don't think other people in the world would share the view [that] there is mounting chaos."
I actually never thought I'd live to see day when Owen Jones is hounded for being too Tory. #insanity #riplabour https://t.co/27UJOIAJ6Q
Check Owens timeline, Holy Moly
A characteristic of Corbyn’s new ‘old’ Labour is how quickly they turn on each other unless ruthlessly ‘on-message’ – It was only a matter of time before Owen got the full treatment.
@georgeeaton: I'm told that Team Corbyn wanted John Mann suspended but the whips office said no.
If this is true, Corbyn has effectively ceased to be party leader. If he cannot command sufficient authority to control internal affairs, he is not even a lame duck
Seems even more likely there will be an attempted coup after the EU referendum.
Wouldn't something like the Netherlands be a fairer comparison, or are there good reasons to suspect we're more like southern than northern Europe economically ?
Also worth looking at the longer view.
For example in Spain the years 2000-2008 had some of the lowest youth unemployment of all time under the Euro, significantly better than the Peseta days:
Incidentally, I would agree that this should lengthen the odds on a Khan victory.
Although the Tory campaign, of saying Khan is a sympathiser because he attended innocuous events with people who years later would prove to be extremists, remains racist, it will have more plausibility to the average floating voter who is only paying a bit of attention when they see various Labour people who genuinely are racist in the news.
How is it racist to equate Khan with extremists when he has repeatedly associated with people who are extremists, many of whom were known at the time to be extremists?
The same was said (quite rightly) with Livingstone himself last time. Was that racist too?
The difference being that Livingstone actually did associate himself with the SENTIMENTS of extremists. For all the hysteria, Khan has never associated himself with the sentiments of extremists, and attending events that were completely unrelated to Islamist causes that also happened to be attended by extremists, is not the same thing at all. Ask Zac:
Israel has powerful influence. One way or other it will get you. Either by a death squad or through character assassination.
Today, if you criticise Israel, first you are labelled as anti-zionist and then anti-semetic.
The concept of Semitic ethnicity does not exist. Semitic people are those who spoke a Semetic language. The Israelis today are a very small part of the semetic people.
The last Labour leader was Jewish. I don't remember anyone talking about it at the time. Sadiq Khan was his Campaign Manager !
Indeed, this has nothing to do with antisemitism, it's the usual campaign to get rid of Corbyn by the Blairites.
That is utter nonsense.
Corbyn is being undone by the ill-considered and offensive remarks of one of his closest political friends - combined with a complete inability to take control of party discipline when it is most needed.
Owen Jones is no Blairite, neither is Sadiq Khan and the founder of Momentum certainly isn't - and they all called for Livingstone to go. Corbyn took hours before being forced into accepting the inevitable.
Corbyn and Livingstone are to blame for this. Not the 'Blairites'
Of course Livingstone had to go, I hate Hitler and I also think that John Mann should go too for his behaviour.
Israel has powerful influence. One way or other it will get you. Either by a death squad or through character assassination.
Today, if you criticise Israel, first you are labelled as anti-zionist and then anti-semetic.
The concept of Semitic ethnicity does not exist. Semitic people are those who spoke a Semetic language. The Israelis today are a very small part of the semetic people.
The expression has been hijacked.
Naz Shah and Livingstone did much more than criticise Israel.
Israel has powerful influence. One way or other it will get you. Either by a death squad or through character assassination.
Today, if you criticise Israel, first you are labelled as anti-zionist and then anti-semetic.
The concept of Semitic ethnicity does not exist. Semitic people are those who spoke a Semetic language. The Israelis today are a very small part of the semetic people.
Israel has powerful influence. One way or other it will get you. Either by a death squad or through character assassination.
Today, if you criticise Israel, first you are labelled as anti-zionist and then anti-semetic.
The concept of Semitic ethnicity does not exist. Semitic people are those who spoke a Semetic language. The Israelis today are a very small part of the semetic people.
Israel has powerful influence. One way or other it will get you. Either by a death squad or through character assassination.
Today, if you criticise Israel, first you are labelled as anti-zionist and then anti-semetic.
The concept of Semitic ethnicity does not exist. Semitic people are those who spoke a Semetic language. The Israelis today are a very small part of the semetic people.
The expression has been hijacked.
So "the Jews are rallying" is merely an objective critique of the State of Israel?
Israel has powerful influence. One way or other it will get you. Either by a death squad or through character assassination.
Today, if you criticise Israel, first you are labelled as anti-zionist and then anti-semetic.
The concept of Semitic ethnicity does not exist. Semitic people are those who spoke a Semetic language. The Israelis today are a very small part of the semetic people.
The expression has been hijacked.
Nurse...!
It is interesting how some people see no difference between criticising the policy of a country and wanting its citizens wiped off the map, forcibly.
It'd be interesting to know what Andrew Dismore thinks about all this as he defends a Labour majority of 12.8% in Barnet and Camden.
I doubt that it will make much difference . If Livingstone were still the candidate it might be more serious - but he isn't!
Well, for 4 months now Labour have had concerns about Barnet & Camden. Currently, they are saying it is lost. A week is a long time in politics. However. Labour didn't win it last time, Tories, with Brian Coleman lost it. Of all assembly member seats, this is the one likely to turn Blue.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen_Elizabeth-class_battleship
And possibly the most non-compliant and infrastructure maintenance poor mainline railway in the whole country.
Obliterater Class Dreadnaughts, that's what we need.
But seriously, they do use old London Underground trains - from 1938!!!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Rail_Class_483
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/comment/brexiteers-threaten-labour-more-than-tories-50sj5lcqz
"Frank Field muddied the waters on Tuesday, however, by putting Mr Cameron’s future on the ballot paper. “If you want to have a pop at the government, don’t wait until the general election,”"
"Mr Field wasn’t just trying to convince the 30 to 40 per cent of Labour voters who are inclined to vote Leave to do so. He was also worrying aloud about how successive Labour leaders’ views on Europe and immigration have already driven approximately one million left-leaning voters into Ukip’s hands. He fears the exodus will continue if voters who are worried about immigration and loss of national identity see no one in Labour’s top ranks who shares their concerns."
Frankly if 30% or more of Labour voters vote LEAVE that is probably the referendum won for LEAVE.
http://jozebwrites.blogspot.co.uk/2016/03/the-vindictiveness-of-vicious-vixens.html
Michael Crick ✔ @MichaelLCrick
Lots of Tory MPs will be worried by Elect Comm asking CPS & police to extend by 12 mons, deadline on offences from 2015 election expenses
Talk about lefty over-analysing. It's fucking surreal.
Also, if it's expanded universe (UE) then it might not be canon anymore.
Still scarier names than Snoke, though.
Time is running out
So far in denial
Perhaps then the sister ships could be:
HMS Machiavelli with the words "Venerable and Terrible"
HMS Stalin with the words "Death solves all problems"
HMS Genghis Khan with "I am the punishment of God"
and so on ...
What makes this particularly toxic and hard to eradicate - though as far as I can tell this has not even been attempted - is that it has its roots not just in Islamist ideology and the baleful effects of Nazi thought spreading in Arab countries (not to mention the historical links between Arab leaders such as Amin al-Husseini, Yasser Arafat's uncle and the Nazis) but in Koranic dicta. So that makes it harder to say that it is unIslamic to despise Jews. And as some Muslim commentators have said, this is one of those dirty little secrets and unacknowledged assumptions which have gone unchallenged by too many within and outside the Muslim community.
Mix into this the anti-American, anti-Western, anti-capitalist (Jews are gold-loving capitalists controlling the world tropes are never very far away - look at some of the tweets Luciana Berger MP received), anti- colonialist thought of a significant part of the Left and you have today's Labour Party.
This is not about whether Corbyn takes action against this or that Labour MP or councillor or member. Corbyn is part of the problem. Not the solution.
https://twitter.com/guidofawkes/status/725719535458897920
Or did Seamus think that there would be nothing wrong with letting his old chum Ken rant about Hitler on TV for a quarter of an hour?
With the SNP having lost members and now at least two MPs from the Labour benches sitting as independents due to investigations into alleged wrongdoing of some sort of another - it has been a pretty turbulent start to this parliament.
https://twitter.com/DPMcBride/status/725641963744182272
Callaghan was a decent human being. A towering giant compared to the weasel who now 'leads' Labour
Although the Tory campaign, of saying Khan is a sympathiser because he attended innocuous events with people who years later would prove to be extremists, remains racist, it will have more plausibility to the average floating voter who is only paying a bit of attention when they see various Labour people who genuinely are racist in the news.
Which is why the words "if that is truly the case".
Personally, I don't know what the f*** is going on this election apart from the fact that I don't know what the f*** is going on. One of the reasons that I have been so quiet on the whole US election cycle since I realized my 'Trump and Cruz will never get the nomination' line was clearly incorrect. Rather eat humble pie once than continuously ...
The same was said (quite rightly) with Livingstone himself last time. Was that racist too?
However the behaviour of John Mann makes it clear that this is part of the anti-Corbyn campaign and has nothing to do with antisemitism.
REP - Unfavourable 62% .. Favourable 33% .. Net -29
DEM - Unfavourable 50% .. Favourable 45% .. Net -5
http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/polls/pew-24394
Imagine his first day back in the office on Monday. "So, how did last week go guys?"
Check Owens timeline, Holy Moly
Anyway - Labour insanity part 999
http://order-order.com/2016/04/28/corbyns-callaghan-moment/
But it is an easy smear to attempt.
Khan has a track record of associating with extremists - that deserves to be open to scrutiny.
Suspending him in some tit-for-tat would have likely triggered shad cab resignations.
And today Ted Cruz recorded a new popularity low with republicans, at -1 with Gallup:
http://www.gallup.com/poll/189299/presidential-election-2016-key-indicators.aspx?g_source=ELECTION_2016&g_medium=topic&g_campaign=tiles
Trump and Kasich are at +20.
Hillary is at +44 and Sanders at +53 with Democrats.
Corbyn is being undone by the ill-considered and offensive remarks of one of his closest political friends - combined with a complete inability to take control of party discipline when it is most needed.
Owen Jones is no Blairite, neither is Sadiq Khan and the founder of Momentum certainly isn't - and they all called for Livingstone to go. Corbyn took hours before being forced into accepting the inevitable.
Corbyn and Livingstone are to blame for this. Not the 'Blairites'
But these things were said, they are unacceptable, so whatever the motivations behind those who are leading the charge, it's still a problem for Labour. That there are other factors at play does not mean it has nothing to do with antisemitism.
That you think Livingstone 'fell into' a 'bear trap' does not hold water with me either, personally. His remarks seem to be entirely inappropriate at the very least, and hypocritical of him to defend given the hugely partisan nature of his own politics and how he would never, in a million years, think an opponent of his should be let off for, being super generous, inelegant language.
And more to the point, if you blunder into a 'trap' like that it is your own damn fault. The easy way to avoid the trap is not to hold and display unacceptable views. That was evidently beyond Ken.
Today, EFTA signed a free trade agreement with the Philippines. The talks took less than one year. Via @Hjortur_J: https://t.co/hpkFdpRoj4
You have just outed yourself as a member of the Global Jewish conspiracy !!
Beware comrade I shall be informing the local Momentum branch of your treasonous comments forthwith
For example in Spain the years 2000-2008 had some of the lowest youth unemployment of all time under the Euro, significantly better than the Peseta days:
http://www.tradingeconomics.com/spain/youth-unemployment-rate
https://twitter.com/sulimangani/status/720353591366705152
The only difference between what Zac did and what Sadiq did is that Sadiq has a brown face. You can squawk all you want, but that's the fact.
Today, if you criticise Israel, first you are labelled as anti-zionist and then anti-semetic.
The concept of Semitic ethnicity does not exist. Semitic people are those who spoke a Semetic language. The Israelis today are a very small part of the semetic people.
The expression has been hijacked.