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Richard_Tyndall said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

rcs1000 said:

DavidL said:

peter_from_putney said:

Indigo said:

Very interesting thanks.

I am studying the local opinion polls here in the Philippines for the General election a week on Monday, it's it going to be fascinating to see how accurate it is, as you would think on the surface they have some almost insurmountable problems in getting a representative sample.

A country of 100 million people, 54.5 million registered voters, encompassing an archipelago of some 7,641 islands. 25 million people and probably a third of the electorate live in the capital, with many more spread out amongst hundreds of small regional cities, but probably half the population living out in the "province" in small village settlements. Quite a few of those in the remotest areas won't have a television set themselves but will share one communally, and may only have 2-3 mobile phones in the extended family, and certainly won't have a landline or an internet connection. But civic pride is keenly felt, and most adults will vote.

Don't forget that 10 years ago we didn't have smart phones, 20 years ago we didn't have the internet and 80 years ago we didn't have TV, let alone David Dimbleby or even his dad!

But somehow or other we still managed to get by when General Elections came along.

You'll be telling us life went on before the EU next. And who could believe that?

Don't be stupid, there was no UK before the EU, merely a small barren island populated by a few starving savages

In the 70s we were the sick man of Europe, we then joined the EC, and miraculously stopped being the sick man of Europe.

Huzzah for the EC

No we didn't. Even you are not dumb enough to believe that. We joined and remained the sick man of Europe until we elected a leader who was willing and able to deal with the issues. Being in the EEC at the time had Sweet FA to do with it.

It was a joke, in response to DavidL's and Robert's joke.

It is a claim that was repeated to me almost word for word when I was on a Leave stall in Newark a couple of weeks ago. Along with the idiocy that the EU prevented war in Europe.

No claim is too dumb for some Remain supporters at the moment.

another_richard said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

DavidL said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

rcs1000 said:

DavidL said:

You'll be telling us life went on before the EU next. And who could believe that?

Don't be stupid, there was no UK before the EU, merely a small barren island populated by a few starving savages

In the 70s we were the sick man of Europe, we then joined the EC, and miraculously stopped being the sick man of Europe.

Huzzah for the EC

So, nothing to do with finding a lot of oil in the North Sea then? Or Maggie? Just the munificent EU. We are truly not worthy.

Was down, to Callaghan, Healey, and Thatcher.

I saw some stats on twitter last week, economically we truly were a basket case in the 70s, and the EC was performing much better than us, which was one of the reasons we voted to Remain in 1975.

Now the stats are the other way around.

Growth was higher in the 1970s:

1970-1979 2.6%pa
2000-2009 1.9%pa
2010-2015 2.0%pa

http://web.ons.gov.uk/ons/datasets-and-tables/data-selector.html?cdid=IHYP&dataset=pn2&table-id=C2

It was also an era of higher productivity growth and increasing home ownership.

There were many things wrong with the 1970s but we tend to be complacent about how successful we are now.

another_richard said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

DavidL said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

rcs1000 said:

DavidL said:

peter_from_putney said:

Indigo said:

Very interesting thanks.



A country of 100 million people, 54.5 million registered voters, encompassing an archipelago of some 7,641 islands. 25 million people and probably a third of the electorate live in the capital, with many more spread out amongst hundreds of small regional cities, but probably half the population living out in the "province" in small village settlements. Quite a few of those in the remotest areas won't have a television set themselves but will share one communally, and may only have 2-3 mobile phones in the extended family, and certainly won't have a landline or an internet connection. But civic pride is keenly felt, and most adults will vote.

Don't forget that 10 years ago we didn't have smart phones, 20 years ago we didn't have the internet and 80 years ago we didn't have TV, let alone David Dimbleby or even his dad!

But somehow or other we still managed to get by when General Elections came along.

You'll be telling us life went on before the EU next. And who could believe that?

Don't be stupid, there was no UK before the EU, merely a small barren island populated by a few starving savages

In the 70s we were the sick man of Europe, we then joined the EC, and miraculously stopped being the sick man of Europe.

Huzzah for the EC

So, nothing to do with finding a lot of oil in the North Sea then? Or Maggie? Just the munificent EU. We are truly not worthy.

Was down, to Callaghan, Healey, and Thatcher.

I saw some stats on twitter last week, economically we truly were a basket case in the 70s, and the EC was performing much better than us, which was one of the reasons we voted to Remain in 1975.

Now the stats are the other way around.

Growth was higher in the 1970s:

1970-1979 2.6%pa
2000-2009 1.9%pa
2010-2015 2.0%pa

http://web.ons.gov.uk/ons/datasets-and-tables/data-selector.html?cdid=IHYP&dataset=pn2&table-id=C2

It was also an era of higher productivity growth and increasing home ownership.

There were many things wrong with the 1970s but we tend to be complacent about how successful we are now.

FrancisUrquhart said:

Almost half of Britons pay no income tax while the richest are now shouldering the biggest burden on record, a new analysis has found.

The Institute for Fiscal Studies said that the proportion of working-age adults who do not pay income tax has risen from 34.3 per cent to 43.8 per cent, equivalent to 30million people*.

Over the same period the amount of income tax paid by the richest 1 per cent has risen from 24.4 per cent to 27.5 per cent, meaning that 300,000 people pay more than a quarter of the nation's income tax.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/04/26/nearly-half-of-britons-pay-no-income-tax-as-burden-on-rich-incre/

* This is clearly wrong, as there aren't 60+ million working age adults in the UK (even with the dodgy government figures)

another_richard said:

Am I the only one to notice a strange similarity:

http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=kevin+the+gerbil&view=detailv2&&id=85B94FD3DB010F9B4048FDAD2B59E87704AC3BF2&selectedIndex=0&ccid=SNdjAiQ9&simid=608042781669330317&thid=OIP.M48d76302243d2c1d7ca33aa41b9e36faH0&ajaxhist=0

Speedy said:

another_richard said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

DavidL said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

rcs1000 said:

DavidL said:

peter_from_putney said:

Indigo said:

Very interesting thanks.



A country of 100 million people, 54.5 million registered voters, encompassing an archipelago of some 7,641 islands. 25 million people and probably a third of the electorate live in the capital, with many more spread out amongst hundreds of small regional cities, but probably half the population living out in the "province" in small village settlements. Quite a few of those in the remotest areas won't have a television set themselves but will share one communally, and may only have 2-3 mobile phones in the extended family, and certainly won't have a landline or an internet connection. But civic pride is keenly felt, and most adults will vote.

Don't forget that 10 years ago we didn't have smart phones, 20 years ago we didn't have the internet and 80 years ago we didn't have TV, let alone David Dimbleby or even his dad!

But somehow or other we still managed to get by when General Elections came along.

You'll be telling us life went on before the EU next. And who could believe that?

Don't be stupid, there was no UK before the EU, merely a small barren island populated by a few starving savages

In the 70s we were the sick man of Europe, we then joined the EC, and miraculously stopped being the sick man of Europe.

Huzzah for the EC

So, nothing to do with finding a lot of oil in the North Sea then? Or Maggie? Just the munificent EU. We are truly not worthy.

Was down, to Callaghan, Healey, and Thatcher.

I saw some stats on twitter last week, economically we truly were a basket case in the 70s, and the EC was performing much better than us, which was one of the reasons we voted to Remain in 1975.

Now the stats are the other way around.

Growth was higher in the 1970s:

1970-1979 2.6%pa
2000-2009 1.9%pa
2010-2015 2.0%pa

http://web.ons.gov.uk/ons/datasets-and-tables/data-selector.html?cdid=IHYP&dataset=pn2&table-id=C2

It was also an era of higher productivity growth and increasing home ownership.

There were many things wrong with the 1970s but we tend to be complacent about how successful we are now.

Lack of manpower due to full employment meant that businesses had to invest to boost productivity.
Today with endless manpower due to mass immigration there is no reason for businesses to invest for productivity gains.

FrancisUrquhart said:

DavidL said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Almost half of Britons pay no income tax while the richest are now shouldering the biggest burden on record, a new analysis has found.

The Institute for Fiscal Studies said that the proportion of working-age adults who do not pay income tax has risen from 34.3 per cent to 43.8 per cent, equivalent to 30million people*.

Over the same period the amount of income tax paid by the richest 1 per cent has risen from 24.4 per cent to 27.5 per cent, meaning that 300,000 people pay more than a quarter of the nation's income tax.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/04/26/nearly-half-of-britons-pay-no-income-tax-as-burden-on-rich-incre/

* This is clearly wrong, as there aren't 60+ million working age adults in the UK (even with the dodgy government figures)

That is an awful lot of people not particularly incentivised to vote for a party trying to restrict public spending.

As they kept saying in Meet the Robinsons " I am not sure that this plan has been properly thought through ,"

It obviously even worse, as a lot of those people will also be on tax credits.

What it highlights to me is we clearly have far too many people being paid very little or not working, and there isn't an easy way to fix the former. Simply escalating minimum wage further won't do it. We have a huge structural imbalance, just as we do with service vs other sectors.

Would be interesting to know wage distributions in Germany. I am presuming because of a much bigger [semi]-skilled manufacturing base, those people get paid reasonably well.

Charles said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

DavidL said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Almost half of Britons pay no income tax while the richest are now shouldering the biggest burden on record, a new analysis has found.

The Institute for Fiscal Studies said that the proportion of working-age adults who do not pay income tax has risen from 34.3 per cent to 43.8 per cent, equivalent to 30million people*.

Over the same period the amount of income tax paid by the richest 1 per cent has risen from 24.4 per cent to 27.5 per cent, meaning that 300,000 people pay more than a quarter of the nation's income tax.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/04/26/nearly-half-of-britons-pay-no-income-tax-as-burden-on-rich-incre/

* This is clearly wrong, as there aren't 60+ million working age adults in the UK (even with the dodgy government figures)

That is an awful lot of people not particularly incentivised to vote for a party trying to restrict public spending.

As they kept saying in Meet the Robinsons " I am not sure that this plan has been properly thought through ,"

It obviously even worse, as a lot of those people will also be on tax credits.

What it highlights to me is we clearly have far too many people being paid very little or not working, and there isn't an easy way to fix the former. Simply escalating minimum wage further won't do it. We have a huge structural imbalance, just as we do with service vs other sectors.

Would be interesting to know wage distributions in Germany. I am presuming because of a much bigger [semi]-skilled manufacturing base, those people get paid reasonably well.

Large parts of East Germany are depopulated because of the lack of well paying jobs. The government subsidies to try and create employment there are humongous

TheScreamingEagles said:

Come June 23rd, we'll be able to share great tales of the stupidity of some voters on both sides.

Charles said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

DavidL said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Almost half of Britons pay no income tax while the richest are now shouldering the biggest burden on record, a new analysis has found.

The Institute for Fiscal Studies said that the proportion of working-age adults who do not pay income tax has risen from 34.3 per cent to 43.8 per cent, equivalent to 30million people*.

Over the same period the amount of income tax paid by the richest 1 per cent has risen from 24.4 per cent to 27.5 per cent, meaning that 300,000 people pay more than a quarter of the nation's income tax.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/04/26/nearly-half-of-britons-pay-no-income-tax-as-burden-on-rich-incre/

* This is clearly wrong, as there aren't 60+ million working age adults in the UK (even with the dodgy government figures)

That is an awful lot of people not particularly incentivised to vote for a party trying to restrict public spending.

As they kept saying in Meet the Robinsons " I am not sure that this plan has been properly thought through ,"

It obviously even worse, as a lot of those people will also be on tax credits.

What it highlights to me is we clearly have far too many people being paid very little or not working, and there isn't an easy way to fix the former. Simply escalating minimum wage further won't do it. We have a huge structural imbalance, just as we do with service vs other sectors.

Would be interesting to know wage distributions in Germany. I am presuming because of a much bigger [semi]-skilled manufacturing base, those people get paid reasonably well.

Large parts of East Germany are depopulated because of the lack of well paying jobs. The government subsidies to try and create employment there are humongous

MP_SE said:

Casino_Royale said:

FPT

Slam dunk for Leave tonight in the Spectator debate.

There were 2,200 in the audience according to Andrew Neil. Largest in the history of the Spectator.

It was a simple show of cards at the end, adjudicated by Dan Hannan and Liz Kendal.

From what I saw I'd say 60% for Leave, 30% for Remain and 10% still undecided.

It really was very good. I'd recommend to anyone to watch it.

Did Chuka succeed in putting people off with his metro elite vibe?

AndyJS said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

SeanT said:

The Naz Shah story perpetuates a toxic narrative for Labour.

I don't for a second believe that 1% of white British Labour voters are anti-Semitic. It just doesn't exist in their core vote, or their wider British vote.

But the Labour PARTY is now infested with anti-Semitism. And the vector is: Islam.

It feels very much the way the Tories have in the past had issues with too many who were homophobic & racist....now labour have similar issues with antisemitism, equality, etc.

Except there weren't ever many racists in the Conservative Party. They were more likely to be found in Labour areas like the East End.

FrancisUrquhart said:

Charles said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

DavidL said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Almost half of Britons pay no income tax while the richest are now shouldering the biggest burden on record, a new analysis has found.

The Institute for Fiscal Studies said that the proportion of working-age adults who do not pay income tax has risen from 34.3 per cent to 43.8 per cent, equivalent to 30million people*.

Over the same period the amount of income tax paid by the richest 1 per cent has risen from 24.4 per cent to 27.5 per cent, meaning that 300,000 people pay more than a quarter of the nation's income tax.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/04/26/nearly-half-of-britons-pay-no-income-tax-as-burden-on-rich-incre/

* This is clearly wrong, as there aren't 60+ million working age adults in the UK (even with the dodgy government figures)

That is an awful lot of people not particularly incentivised to vote for a party trying to restrict public spending.

As they kept saying in Meet the Robinsons " I am not sure that this plan has been properly thought through ,"

It obviously even worse, as a lot of those people will also be on tax credits.

What it highlights to me is we clearly have far too many people being paid very little or not working, and there isn't an easy way to fix the former. Simply escalating minimum wage further won't do it. We have a huge structural imbalance, just as we do with service vs other sectors.

Would be interesting to know wage distributions in Germany. I am presuming because of a much bigger [semi]-skilled manufacturing base, those people get paid reasonably well.

Large parts of East Germany are depopulated because of the lack of well paying jobs. The government subsidies to try and create employment there are humongous

I went to East Germany once, what a beep beep. Why anybody would want to go on a motorcycle holiday there is beyond me!

Richard_Tyndall said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Come June 23rd, we'll be able to share great tales of the stupidity of some voters on both sides.

I am not waiting. :-)

On the same day I also had one bloke trying to convince me that the EU was both a Nazi and a Soviet plot to subjugate Britain (not sure if he meant Britain alone or the whole of Europe including Britain).

Trouble is with lots of other people around who clearly knew the bloke was talking balls you have to work out how to quietly get rid of him without a big argument in which you end up defending the EU.

TheScreamingEagles said:

https://twitter.com/TSEofPB/status/725066409693335556

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Maybe June 24th

TheScreamingEagles said:

https://twitter.com/TSEofPB/status/725066409693335556

MaxPB said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

https://twitter.com/TSEofPB/status/725066409693335556

Good news?

DavidL said:

LondonBob said:

Pulpstar said:

Trump to be interviewed by Megyn Kelly.

Lol

Scott Adams called it.

http://blog.dilbert.com/post/143431313681/the-unfavorability-illusion

That is a really good link. Spot on in my opinion (checks again slips for Trump for POTUS).

Speedy said:

Hello Exit Poll leak:

Alistair said:

DavidL said:

LondonBob said:

Pulpstar said:

Trump to be interviewed by Megyn Kelly.

Lol

Scott Adams called it.

http://blog.dilbert.com/post/143431313681/the-unfavorability-illusion

That is a really good link. Spot on in my opinion (checks again slips for Trump for POTUS).

Scott Adams called 2012 for Mitt Romney by a landslide IIRC.

Speedy said:

Penn. GOP Exit poll:


Candidate with most votes 69% (91% with Trump voters, 41% non Trump)
Delegates choose 28%. (8% with Trump voters, 55% with non Trump)

RobD said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

twitter.com/suttonnick/status/725073901248778240

I wonder what EU plot they are talking about?

TheScreamingEagles said:

RobD said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

twitter.com/suttonnick/status/725073901248778240

I wonder what EU plot they are talking about?

The tactics and strategy to ensure victory in the EUReferendum

Speedy said:

Not another "Tuesday".
At least it's not "Super Tuesday IV" like on CNN.

TheScreamingEagles said:

RobD said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

twitter.com/suttonnick/status/725073901248778240

I wonder what EU plot they are talking about?

The tactics and strategy to ensure victory in the EUReferendum

TheScreamingEagles said:

Christ, I've just unrepressed Superman IV: The Quest for Peace.

With Nuclear fecking Man

Casino_Royale said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Christ, I've just unrepressed Superman IV: The Quest for Peace.

With Nuclear fecking Man

Lol!

When I was about ten Superman III was probably my favourite film, despite being absolutely terrified by the scene where the supercomputer turns the woman into an evil robot.

Saw it again last year and realised how truly awful it was.

TheScreamingEagles said:

Casino_Royale said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

RobD said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

twitter.com/suttonnick/status/725073901248778240

I wonder what EU plot they are talking about?

The tactics and strategy to ensure victory in the EUReferendum

No secret to anyone with a brain what Remain are doing.

Project Fact and The Long Term Economic Plan

SeanT said:

The Naz Shah story perpetuates a toxic narrative for Labour.

I don't for a second believe that 1% of white British Labour voters are anti-Semitic. It just doesn't exist in their core vote, or their wider British vote.

But the Labour PARTY is now infested with anti-Semitism. And the vector is: Islam.