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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    Pulpstar said:

    Anyhoo, the big story will be about what's not on the front page of The Sun.

    I think David Herdson earlier today had a point on some of the points he made wrt the outcome.

    But the Sun's headline was clearly disgraceful. They could have done well to just print.,. "sorry"
    I think I missed it, what did the Sun do again ?
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,985
    MikeK said:

    Good evening.
    It looks like The Donald will win all 5 states tonight. Being tired I'll peruse the results tomorrow morning.
    twitter.com/FiveThirtyEight/status/725076121751015425

    Just to mark your card, 538 think that Trump needs to win 97 delegates to be on track for a majority.
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    Anyhoo, the big story will be about what's not on the front page of The Sun.

    Nor on the front page of The Times.
    A coincidence I'm sure.
    Tom Newton Dunn having massive car crash on Sky's paper review. What were they thinking. Just plain unforgivable that they couldn't say sorry today of all days. Suspect that is the end of the Sun in Liverpool for a generation
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    RobD said:

    MikeK said:

    Good evening.
    It looks like The Donald will win all 5 states tonight. Being tired I'll peruse the results tomorrow morning.
    twitter.com/FiveThirtyEight/status/725076121751015425

    Just to mark your card, 538 think that Trump needs to win 97 delegates to be on track for a majority.
    If he's lucky he might get 107-111.
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    SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 38,955
    SeanT said:

    Got to say I am very pleased it was Obama in the White House from 2009 and not John McCain. There was nothing inevitable about the global economy not going into a complete death spiral after the crash.

    I was an Obamacan in 2008. A rightwinger who wanted him to win. I would have voted for him. I still think his election was a good thing for racial equality, in itself.

    But he has been a bitter disappointment ever since. A terrible foreign policy president, timid and vacillating, and a mediocre domestic president, responsible for a half hearted reform of health, and not much else.

    The times were against him. He faced relative American decline and a tough economy. But he didn't have to be quite SO shite. Yet he was.

    He was a great campaigner.... and that's all.

    He was a lot better than the alternative. Obama made some big economic calls at the start of his presidency that prevented a terrible situation becoming an all-out catastrophe. That was an important achievement. The rest has been disappointing, but times were against him. If he could stand again this year he'd probably win.

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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,985

    Anyhoo, the big story will be about what's not on the front page of The Sun.

    Nor on the front page of The Times.
    A coincidence I'm sure.
    Tom Newton Dunn having massive car crash on Sky's paper review. What were they thinking. Just plain unforgivable that they couldn't say sorry today of all days. Suspect that is the end of the Sun in Liverpool for a generation
    I think the size of the readership of the Sun in Liverpool was of Scottish Tory proportions.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100

    Anyhoo, the big story will be about what's not on the front page of The Sun.

    Nor on the front page of The Times.
    A coincidence I'm sure.
    Tom Newton Dunn having massive car crash on Sky's paper review. What were they thinking. Just plain unforgivable that they couldn't say sorry today of all days. Suspect that is the end of the Sun in Liverpool for a generation
    Oh that one.
    The Sun has to apologize for so many things you almost forget which is which.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,954
    edited April 2016
    SeanT said:

    Speedy said:
    Has Obama put his Nobel Peace Prize in a museum yet? I'm trying to remember what he got it for?.
    Given how soon into his presidency it was decided upon, for giving some speeches I believe.

    The man does deliver a nice speech.
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    SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 38,955
    SeanT said:

    MP_SE said:

    SeanT said:

    The Naz Shah story perpetuates a toxic narrative for Labour.

    I don't for a second believe that 1% of white British Labour voters are anti-Semitic. It just doesn't exist in their core vote, or their wider British vote.

    But the Labour PARTY is now infested with anti-Semitism. And the vector is: Islam.

    At what point does a party infested with anti-Semites become an anti-Semitic party?
    Quite soon, unless they take drastic action.

    By all accounts, the Labour party at university level - one of the few places where they still thrive - is ardently anti-Semitic, much of it fired by Islamists.

    Such is the blindness of Corbyn Labour that those inside the party who point out its problem with anti-semitism and demand action are accused of attacking the leader. I am glad to have washed my hands of it, though regretful that its growing toxicity means this useless government has a completely free hand.

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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,556
    edited April 2016

    Anyhoo, the big story will be about what's not on the front page of The Sun.

    Nor on the front page of The Times.
    A coincidence I'm sure.
    This is from the Merseyside football correspondent of The Times (and Liverpool fan) shortly after The Sun front page appeared.

    https://twitter.com/TonyBarretTimes/status/725076412936376320
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    SeanT said:

    SeanT said:

    Got to say I am very pleased it was Obama in the White House from 2009 and not John McCain. There was nothing inevitable about the global economy not going into a complete death spiral after the crash.

    I was an Obamacan in 2008. A rightwinger who wanted him to win. I would have voted for him. I still think his election was a good thing for racial equality, in itself.

    But he has been a bitter disappointment ever since. A terrible foreign policy president, timid and vacillating, and a mediocre domestic president, responsible for a half hearted reform of health, and not much else.

    The times were against him. He faced relative American decline and a tough economy. But he didn't have to be quite SO shite. Yet he was.

    He was a great campaigner.... and that's all.

    He was a lot better than the alternative. Obama made some big economic calls at the start of his presidency that prevented a terrible situation becoming an all-out catastrophe. That was an important achievement. The rest has been disappointing, but times were against him. If he could stand again this year he'd probably win.

    McCain would have been a better president.
    With McCain we would be all dead by now.
    People should learn a lesson from G.W. Bush.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,975
    Speedy said:

    RobD said:

    MikeK said:

    Good evening.
    It looks like The Donald will win all 5 states tonight. Being tired I'll peruse the results tomorrow morning.
    twitter.com/FiveThirtyEight/status/725076121751015425

    Just to mark your card, 538 think that Trump needs to win 97 delegates to be on track for a majority.
    If he's lucky he might get 107-111.
    If 538 is including unbound PA then Trump will crush that, if they aren't he'll probably still beat it.

    25 CT
    16 DE
    32 MA
    11 RI
    17 PA

    And about 30 unbound PA delegates maybe.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,975
    RobD said:

    Anyhoo, the big story will be about what's not on the front page of The Sun.

    Nor on the front page of The Times.
    A coincidence I'm sure.
    Tom Newton Dunn having massive car crash on Sky's paper review. What were they thinking. Just plain unforgivable that they couldn't say sorry today of all days. Suspect that is the end of the Sun in Liverpool for a generation
    I think the size of the readership of the Sun in Liverpool was of Scottish Tory proportions.
    20% :o ?
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    SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 38,955
    Hillsbrough not mentioned on the front page of the Times either.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,985
    Pulpstar said:

    RobD said:

    Anyhoo, the big story will be about what's not on the front page of The Sun.

    Nor on the front page of The Times.
    A coincidence I'm sure.
    Tom Newton Dunn having massive car crash on Sky's paper review. What were they thinking. Just plain unforgivable that they couldn't say sorry today of all days. Suspect that is the end of the Sun in Liverpool for a generation
    I think the size of the readership of the Sun in Liverpool was of Scottish Tory proportions.
    20% :o ?
    Hm, maybe Scottish Tory MP proportions. :p
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    Speedy said:

    Anyhoo, the big story will be about what's not on the front page of The Sun.

    Nor on the front page of The Times.
    A coincidence I'm sure.
    Tom Newton Dunn having massive car crash on Sky's paper review. What were they thinking. Just plain unforgivable that they couldn't say sorry today of all days. Suspect that is the end of the Sun in Liverpool for a generation
    Oh that one.
    The Sun has to apologize for so many things you almost forget which is which.
    I cannot imagine any front page being more insulting, shameful and insensitive. I remember it well and the fury it provoked.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    Pulpstar said:

    Speedy said:

    RobD said:

    MikeK said:

    Good evening.
    It looks like The Donald will win all 5 states tonight. Being tired I'll peruse the results tomorrow morning.
    twitter.com/FiveThirtyEight/status/725076121751015425

    Just to mark your card, 538 think that Trump needs to win 97 delegates to be on track for a majority.
    If he's lucky he might get 107-111.
    If 538 is including unbound PA then Trump will crush that, if they aren't he'll probably still beat it.

    25 CT
    16 DE
    32 MA
    11 RI
    17 PA

    And about 30 unbound PA delegates maybe.
    28 CT
    16 DE
    38 MA
    12 RI
    17 PA

    That's the max. Trump could get on a very good day today.
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    SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 38,955
    SeanT said:

    SeanT said:

    Got to say I am very pleased it was Obama in the White House from 2009 and not John McCain. There was nothing inevitable about the global economy not going into a complete death spiral after the crash.

    I was an Obamacan in 2008. A rightwinger who wanted him to win. I would have voted for him. I still think his election was a good thing for racial equality, in itself.

    But he has been a bitter disappointment ever since. A terrible foreign policy president, timid and vacillating, and a mediocre domestic president, responsible for a half hearted reform of health, and not much else.

    The times were against him. He faced relative American decline and a tough economy. But he didn't have to be quite SO shite. Yet he was.

    He was a great campaigner.... and that's all.

    He was a lot better than the alternative. Obama made some big economic calls at the start of his presidency that prevented a terrible situation becoming an all-out catastrophe. That was an important achievement. The rest has been disappointing, but times were against him. If he could stand again this year he'd probably win.

    McCain would have been a better president.

    No, he'd have wiped out the global economy. He had no idea what was happening or why. That crisis needed brains to tackle it. Whatever else he lacks Obama has one of those. McCain picked Sarah Palin as his running mate.

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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,975
    Sanders may well win CT actually, he was only 2 behind in the latest poll.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited April 2016
    More Exit Poll leaks:

    GOP Penn.

    Feelings if Trump is elected:

    Excited 36
    Optimistic 26
    Concerned 14
    Scared 23

    From that my estimates are max 62 for Trump, min 49.
    In N.Y the numbers where:
    35/27/14/22
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,985

    twitter.com/dylsharpe/status/725081179511263238

    I agree with the sentiments here that they should have just splashed it on their front page.

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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    Connecticut GOP Exit Poll:

    Late deciders

    Kasich 39
    Trump 35
    Cruz 16.

    The magic number for Connecticut is 50% for Trump to win all delegates.
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    SeanT said:

    That's what I remember. I think the Sun already said Sorry.
    They did in 2012

    https://twitter.com/Domponsford/status/724955999875043328
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,975
    The Kasich-Cruz alliance is the funniest story of the day in the GOP race. It looks to have both backfired and disintegrated simultaneously.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,985
    Can't hurt to say sorry twice! ;)
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,975
    They're having a good laugh about it on CNN.
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    SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 38,955
    SeanT said:

    SeanT said:

    SeanT said:

    Got to say I am very pleased it was Obama in the White House from 2009 and not John McCain. There was nothing inevitable about the global economy not going into a complete death spiral after the crash.

    I was an Obamacan in 2008. A rightwinger who wanted him to win. I would have voted for him. I still think his election was a good thing for racial equality, in itself.

    But he has been a bitter disappointment ever since. A terrible foreign policy president, timid and vacillating, and a mediocre domestic president, responsible for a half hearted reform of health, and not much else.

    The times were against him. He faced relative American decline and a tough economy. But he didn't have to be quite SO shite. Yet he was.

    He was a great campaigner.... and that's all.

    He was a lot better than the alternative. Obama made some big economic calls at the start of his presidency that prevented a terrible situation becoming an all-out catastrophe. That was an important achievement. The rest has been disappointing, but times were against him. If he could stand again this year he'd probably win.

    McCain would have been a better president.

    No, he'd have wiped out the global economy. He had no idea what was happening or why. That crisis needed brains to tackle it. Whatever else he lacks Obama has one of those. McCain picked Sarah Palin as his running mate.

    Nonsense.

    He did. Honestly. Look it up.

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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,953
    edited April 2016
    Obama is basically the modern-day, American Ted Heath, isn't he - a manager of decline.

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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    Pulpstar said:

    They're having a good laugh about it on CNN.

    I'm on MSNBC.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited April 2016

    Christ, I've just unrepressed Superman IV: The Quest for Peace.

    With Nuclear fecking Man

    Lol!

    When I was about ten Superman III was probably my favourite film, despite being absolutely terrified by the scene where the supercomputer turns the woman into an evil robot.

    Saw it again last year and realised how truly awful it was.
    I still like it, in a 6 year old sort of way. The Gus Gorman character is amusing.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,052
    Charles said:

    Got to say I am very pleased it was Obama in the White House from 2009 and not John McCain. There was nothing inevitable about the global economy not going into a complete death spiral after the crash.

    Paulson did a decent job, although he was too close to Goldman for decency
    I have a very good Paulson story, but it's probably not for public consumption.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,975
    Am I the only person who thought Hillary's 58% in New York wasn't that great given it was her "home state" ?

    (I know Bernie is from there, but he had VT)
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    BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 7,997
    edited April 2016
    Pulpstar said:

    Sanders may well win CT actually, he was only 2 behind in the latest poll.

    Didn't the leaked exit poll show Sanders on 51.3% and Clinton on 48.7%?
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,052
    runnymede said:

    Re. the income tax thing -

    In 1914 about 7% of the population paid income tax, less than 20% of workers did just before WWII

    In 1914, government spending was 6% of GDP. that should again be the target.
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,953
    rcs1000 said:

    runnymede said:

    Re. the income tax thing -

    In 1914 about 7% of the population paid income tax, less than 20% of workers did just before WWII

    In 1914, government spending was 6% of GDP. that should again be the target.
    And I thought I was a small stater!
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,975
    edited April 2016
    Barnesian said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Sanders may well win CT actually, he was only 2 behind in the latest poll.

    Didn't the leaked exit poll show Sanders on 51.3% and Clinton on 48.7%?
    Yes, I've gone -£6/£47.50 off the back of it...

    But my spreadsheet (Based off Huffpost pollster) shows a bit of late movement to Bernie.

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/112R0zDRQLC2cxE1op0TY-IBq_PTtcxpwgfbu87DI45w/edit#gid=1244356924 (CT tab)
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    rcs1000 said:

    runnymede said:

    Re. the income tax thing -

    In 1914 about 7% of the population paid income tax, less than 20% of workers did just before WWII

    In 1914, government spending was 6% of GDP. that should again be the target.
    How can that be the target ?

    Defence spending is about 2% and foreign aid is about 1%, what would be left for the Home Office, or Education, Healthcare, Pensions, Transport, ect ect.
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    SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 38,955
    SeanT said:

    Hillsbrough not mentioned on the front page of the Times either.

    Tbh I don't see it as major front page material, if I was an editor - of any paper. It's an interesting new judgement on a truly terrible incident. But it happened decades ago. Unless you were there, or you are Liverpudlian, then it's just not THAT interesting.

    Cruel but true. Note the Daily Mail didn't make it THE front page news, either. And they love embarrassing the Sun.

    That said, the Sun should just have said SORRY on page one. And done themselves credit, thereby.

    It's a big enough story that it should be on the front page, even if it's not the lead.

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    brokenwheelbrokenwheel Posts: 3,352
    Pulpstar said:

    Am I the only person who thought Hillary's 58% in New York wasn't that great given it was her "home state" ?

    (I know Bernie is from there, but he had VT)

    Not that I care for defending Hilary, but if you are any high-profile local politician you have probably pissed off enough people so they never vote for you again.

    Kasich only got 47% in Ohio and he's the current Governor...
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    john_zimsjohn_zims Posts: 3,399
    @Speedy


    'In 1914, government spending was 6% of GDP. that should again be the target.

    How can that be the target ?

    Defence spending is about 2% and foreign aid is about 1%, what would be left for the Home Office, or Education, Healthcare, Pensions, Transport, ect ect.'


    Plenty..
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,052
    Speedy said:

    rcs1000 said:

    runnymede said:

    Re. the income tax thing -

    In 1914 about 7% of the population paid income tax, less than 20% of workers did just before WWII

    In 1914, government spending was 6% of GDP. that should again be the target.
    How can that be the target ?

    Defence spending is about 2% and foreign aid is about 1%, what would be left for the Home Office, or Education, Healthcare, Pensions, Transport, ect ect.
    Well, we'd get rid of EU contributions and foreign aid, which would be a good start.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,052
    Mortimer said:

    rcs1000 said:

    runnymede said:

    Re. the income tax thing -

    In 1914 about 7% of the population paid income tax, less than 20% of workers did just before WWII

    In 1914, government spending was 6% of GDP. that should again be the target.
    And I thought I was a small stater!
    And a third of government spending was interest payments, and we had the world's largest navy.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,975

    Pulpstar said:

    Am I the only person who thought Hillary's 58% in New York wasn't that great given it was her "home state" ?

    (I know Bernie is from there, but he had VT)

    Not that I care for defending Hilary, but if you are any high-profile local politician you have probably pissed off enough people so they never vote for you again.

    Kasich only got 47% in Ohio and he's the current Governor...
    Well certainly in upstate New York Hillary doesn't seem all that loved.
    NYC was good for her mind.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    For a comparison with the other states on the GOP side:

    Candidate with most votes should win:

    PA 70
    CT 68
    MD 66

    So the range for Trump is probably 4% between states.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    MSNBC has blurred that Trump may win Pennsylvania by 20 points.
    That's on the low end for Trump, may put Connecticut in danger for him falling under 50%.
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    FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,052
    SeanT said:

    MP_SE said:

    SeanT said:

    The Naz Shah story perpetuates a toxic narrative for Labour.

    I don't for a second believe that 1% of white British Labour voters are anti-Semitic. It just doesn't exist in their core vote, or their wider British vote.

    But the Labour PARTY is now infested with anti-Semitism. And the vector is: Islam.

    At what point does a party infested with anti-Semites become an anti-Semitic party?
    Quite soon, unless they take drastic action.

    By all accounts, the Labour party at university level - one of the few places where they still thrive - is ardently anti-Semitic, much of it fired by Islamists.
    It's strange. Blair took us into Iraq and then Labour had a Jewish leader. Unless it's all changed in the last year.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,975
    Speedy said:

    MSNBC has blurred that Trump may win Pennsylvania by 20 points.
    That's on the low end for Trump, may put Connecticut in danger for him falling under 50%.

    Could be Cruz utterly flopping.
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    ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133
    RobD said:

    Can't hurt to say sorry twice! ;)

    But it does seem to be the hardest word.

    (Am I on the right story here?)
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    Well the reliable Huffington Post guy who has leaked all those exit polls in the past has posted this:

    Ryan Grim ‏@ryangrim 3m3 minutes ago
    Exit polls have Trump stomping mofos, pulling more than 60%
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Speedy said:

    Well the reliable Huffington Post guy who has leaked all those exit polls in the past has posted this:

    Ryan Grim ‏@ryangrim 3m3 minutes ago
    Exit polls have Trump stomping mofos, pulling more than 60%

    Looks like the pact isn't going to plan for Kasich and Cruz.
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    FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,052
    rcs1000 said:

    Mortimer said:

    rcs1000 said:

    runnymede said:

    Re. the income tax thing -

    In 1914 about 7% of the population paid income tax, less than 20% of workers did just before WWII

    In 1914, government spending was 6% of GDP. that should again be the target.
    And I thought I was a small stater!
    And a third of government spending was interest payments, and we had the world's largest navy.
    With a very small army, an economy as big as any other and a massive Empire.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,975
    Whoever is matching Conneticut at 1.12 for Hillary is being... brave.

    Not even the blatantly HRC supporting Nate Silver has http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/election-2016/primary-forecast/connecticut-democratic/ Hillary as a lock there.
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    Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    edited April 2016
    RobD said:

    Anyhoo, the big story will be about what's not on the front page of The Sun.

    Nor on the front page of The Times.
    A coincidence I'm sure.
    Tom Newton Dunn having massive car crash on Sky's paper review. What were they thinking. Just plain unforgivable that they couldn't say sorry today of all days. Suspect that is the end of the Sun in Liverpool for a generation
    I think the size of the readership of the Sun in Liverpool was of Scottish Tory proportions.
    The Sun isn't the second-most popular paper in Liverpool ;)
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    CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,221

    SeanT said:

    MP_SE said:

    SeanT said:

    The Naz Shah story perpetuates a toxic narrative for Labour.

    I don't for a second believe that 1% of white British Labour voters are anti-Semitic. It just doesn't exist in their core vote, or their wider British vote.

    But the Labour PARTY is now infested with anti-Semitism. And the vector is: Islam.

    At what point does a party infested with anti-Semites become an anti-Semitic party?
    Quite soon, unless they take drastic action.

    By all accounts, the Labour party at university level - one of the few places where they still thrive - is ardently anti-Semitic, much of it fired by Islamists.
    It's strange. Blair took us into Iraq and then Labour had a Jewish leader. Unless it's all changed in the last year.
    It's worth remembering that for some Islamists the only thing wrong with the Holocaust was that it did not go far enough. And there are historical links between the Nazis and some of the proponents of Islamist ideology. It's not surprising that the virus of anti-Semitism should have mutated in this way, a mutation the Left has refused to recognise - let alone do anything about - despite all its talk of anti- racism.

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    Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091

    SeanT said:

    MP_SE said:

    SeanT said:

    The Naz Shah story perpetuates a toxic narrative for Labour.

    I don't for a second believe that 1% of white British Labour voters are anti-Semitic. It just doesn't exist in their core vote, or their wider British vote.

    But the Labour PARTY is now infested with anti-Semitism. And the vector is: Islam.

    At what point does a party infested with anti-Semites become an anti-Semitic party?
    Quite soon, unless they take drastic action.

    By all accounts, the Labour party at university level - one of the few places where they still thrive - is ardently anti-Semitic, much of it fired by Islamists.
    It's strange. Blair took us into Iraq and then Labour had a Jewish leader. Unless it's all changed in the last year.
    Unfortunately, there are some hard-lefties (eg. Ken Livingstone) who think that, just because Jewish people are proportionally richer than other "minorities", that that means discrimination against them doesn't matter as much.

    That said, antisemitism has been on the rise generally the last couple of years, not just in Labour / the left.
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    daodaodaodao Posts: 821

    SeanT said:

    MP_SE said:

    SeanT said:

    The Naz Shah story perpetuates a toxic narrative for Labour.

    I don't for a second believe that 1% of white British Labour voters are anti-Semitic. It just doesn't exist in their core vote, or their wider British vote.

    But the Labour PARTY is now infested with anti-Semitism. And the vector is: Islam.

    At what point does a party infested with anti-Semites become an anti-Semitic party?
    Quite soon, unless they take drastic action.

    By all accounts, the Labour party at university level - one of the few places where they still thrive - is ardently anti-Semitic, much of it fired by Islamists.
    It's strange. Blair took us into Iraq and then Labour had a Jewish leader. Unless it's all changed in the last year.
    Following the example of the new LOTO, senior labour politicians are now much less reticent about pulling their punches for fear of calling offence. For example, referring to the conduct of Sir Philip Green (former boss of BHS), Angela Eagle, the shadow business secretary, said: "In this situation it appears this owner extracted hundreds of millions of pounds from the business and walked away to his favourite tax haven, leaving the Pension Protection Scheme to pick up the bill."
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    MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    Mortimer said:

    rcs1000 said:

    runnymede said:

    Re. the income tax thing -

    In 1914 about 7% of the population paid income tax, less than 20% of workers did just before WWII

    In 1914, government spending was 6% of GDP. that should again be the target.
    And I thought I was a small stater!
    Indeed, I'd be happy if the US could get total government spending (about 36% currently) back under the 30% mark.

    Link to US spending as % GDP at
    http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/total_2016USpt_88ps5n
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    Full Exit Poll numbers for Dem side:

    CT
    Clinton – 51%
    Sanders – 47%

    MD
    Clinton – 64%
    Sanders – 34%

    PA
    Clinton – 56%
    Sanders – 44%
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    PA GOP Exit Poll

    Change 35%
    Values 29
    Tells it like it is 23
    Can win 11

    With that Trump should be in the mid 50's.
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    NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,358
    Speedy said:

    Full Exit Poll numbers for Dem side:

    CT
    Clinton – 51%
    Sanders – 47%

    MD
    Clinton – 64%
    Sanders – 34%

    PA
    Clinton – 56%
    Sanders – 44%

    A respectable 2nd for Bernie but still a clear second, and he probably won RI. Probably close enough to enable him to carry on to a *possible* win in California if he wants to - and why wouldn't he?
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    Of course I may underestimate Trump:

    https://twitter.com/joshtpm/status/725086001434120192
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,975
    Speedy said:

    Full Exit Poll numbers for Dem side:

    CT
    Clinton – 51%
    Sanders – 47%

    MD
    Clinton – 64%
    Sanders – 34%

    PA
    Clinton – 56%
    Sanders – 44%

    Where are you getting the info from?
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited April 2016
    Pulpstar said:

    Speedy said:

    Full Exit Poll numbers for Dem side:

    CT
    Clinton – 51%
    Sanders – 47%

    MD
    Clinton – 64%
    Sanders – 34%

    PA
    Clinton – 56%
    Sanders – 44%

    Where are you getting the info from?
    The Huffington Post.
    They also have Trump over 60% in all states.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    O/T

    "iPhone Sales Decline For The First Time Ever
    As predicted, the tech company’s latest quarterly earnings were a disappointment."

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/apple-iphones-sales-decline_us_571fd19fe4b0b49df6a979d7
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,115
    rcs1000 said:

    runnymede said:

    Re. the income tax thing -

    In 1914 about 7% of the population paid income tax, less than 20% of workers did just before WWII

    In 1914, government spending was 6% of GDP. that should again be the target.
    In 1914 there was no NHS, no welfare state, limited state education, in fact the only thing the state really spent money on was the armed forces and the police, of course there was not yet universal suffrage either
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,975
    Speedy said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Speedy said:

    Full Exit Poll numbers for Dem side:

    CT
    Clinton – 51%
    Sanders – 47%

    MD
    Clinton – 64%
    Sanders – 34%

    PA
    Clinton – 56%
    Sanders – 44%

    Where are you getting the info from?
    The Huffington Post.
    They also have Trump over 60% in all states.
    Link P:)
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited April 2016
    Pulpstar said:

    Speedy said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Speedy said:

    Full Exit Poll numbers for Dem side:

    CT
    Clinton – 51%
    Sanders – 47%

    MD
    Clinton – 64%
    Sanders – 34%

    PA
    Clinton – 56%
    Sanders – 44%

    Where are you getting the info from?
    The Huffington Post.
    They also have Trump over 60% in all states.
    Link P:)
    Ryan Grim

    https://twitter.com/ryangrim/status/725094318625685510
    https://twitter.com/ryangrim/status/725096973397807105
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    edited April 2016
    ESPN is showing a 1 hour program on Hillsborough at 8pm eastern on ESPN2.

    Seeing the victims families link arms after the verdict and sing "You'll never walk alone" was very moving, and I'm not even a soccer fan.

    They've been showing excerpts all day and at lunch the first comment from everyone was they couldn't believe that there were not seats for everyone.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,785
    What LEAVE got upset about next:

    http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/politics/7104680/PMs-aides-and-ministers-are-using-WhatsApp-in-pro-EU-campaign-to-avoid-embarrassing-leaks.html

    Using 'WhatsApp' is a 'Shady Practice'.......

    That'll persuade the under 35s......
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    Also some breaking news, Yahoo! has been bought by TPM.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,975
    The interesting thing is that Trump was polling even better in Delaware and Rhode Island than he was in MD, CT, PA.

    It's a complete massacre if he follows through with that lot.
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    Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    Polls closed at 8pm? Are we looking at 2ish for results?
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,115
    MTimT said:

    Mortimer said:

    rcs1000 said:

    runnymede said:

    Re. the income tax thing -

    In 1914 about 7% of the population paid income tax, less than 20% of workers did just before WWII

    In 1914, government spending was 6% of GDP. that should again be the target.
    And I thought I was a small stater!
    Indeed, I'd be happy if the US could get total government spending (about 36% currently) back under the 30% mark.

    Link to US spending as % GDP at
    http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/total_2016USpt_88ps5n
    Based on that chart of presidents from 1940 FDR, IKE, LBJ, Ford, Reagan, Bush Snr, George W Bush and Obama all increased spending. JFK, Nixon and Carter left it unchanged. The only presidents to cut it were Harry Truman and Bill Clinton, both Democrats
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited April 2016
    If Trump gets over 60% then he is on target to match Romney in the same states even after Romney got the nomination when Santorum dropped out in 2012.

    It's something that I've noticed that the top 2 in 2016 always get either the same as Romney or Santorum did in 2012 in each state.
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    Pulpstar said:

    The interesting thing is that Trump was polling even better in Delaware and Rhode Island than he was in MD, CT, PA.

    It's a complete massacre if he follows through with that lot.

    Delaware and Rhode Island are hardly a target rich environment. Apparently 60,000 people in PA have switched from Dem to GOP to vote for Trump.

    If history is any guide, none of these states is likely to vote GOP in November.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,116
    Speedy said:

    Also some breaking news, Yahoo! has been bought by TPM.

    That's a spoof, surely?
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    Pulpstar said:

    The interesting thing is that Trump was polling even better in Delaware and Rhode Island than he was in MD, CT, PA.

    It's a complete massacre if he follows through with that lot.

    If he gets over 67% in RI he might get 13 delegates instead of just 10 or 9, not much big difference but just for bragging rights.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100

    Speedy said:

    Also some breaking news, Yahoo! has been bought by TPM.

    That's a spoof, surely?
    https://twitter.com/joshtpm/status/725100096858238977
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited April 2016

    Polls closed at 8pm? Are we looking at 2ish for results?

    Think so yes.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,116
    Speedy said:

    Speedy said:

    Also some breaking news, Yahoo! has been bought by TPM.

    That's a spoof, surely?
    https://twitter.com/joshtpm/status/725100096858238977
    As I said... Where do you think they found the money to buy a $35bn company?
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    HYUFD said:

    MTimT said:

    Mortimer said:

    rcs1000 said:

    runnymede said:

    Re. the income tax thing -

    In 1914 about 7% of the population paid income tax, less than 20% of workers did just before WWII

    In 1914, government spending was 6% of GDP. that should again be the target.
    And I thought I was a small stater!
    Indeed, I'd be happy if the US could get total government spending (about 36% currently) back under the 30% mark.

    Link to US spending as % GDP at
    http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/total_2016USpt_88ps5n
    Based on that chart of presidents from 1940 FDR, IKE, LBJ, Ford, Reagan, Bush Snr, George W Bush and Obama all increased spending. JFK, Nixon and Carter left it unchanged. The only presidents to cut it were Harry Truman and Bill Clinton, both Democrats
    That's part of the reason Americans are mad as hell at Washington. Even after the most savage mid-term beating in 80 years in 2010 due to spending and Obamacare - even Obama called it a shellacking - the spending went on. In 2014 Republicans took control of Congress, less as a vote of confidence in their policies than as a way to stop the country's drift leftwards and stop Obama. The spending continued.

    The country is mad that whoever is in charge, nothing stops the spending growth and the executive orders. Hence the desire for a non-pol this time. Folks have had enough.

    It's a little simplistic, but makes the point.
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669

    Speedy said:

    Speedy said:

    Also some breaking news, Yahoo! has been bought by TPM.

    That's a spoof, surely?
    https://twitter.com/joshtpm/status/725100096858238977
    As I said... Where do you think they found the money to buy a $35bn company?
    The longer they wait, the cheaper it gets.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,116
    edited April 2016
    Tim_B said:

    The country is mad that whoever is in charge, nothing stops the spending growth and the executive orders. Hence the desire for a non-pol this time. Folks have had enough.

    It's a little simplistic, but makes the point.

    One of Trump's other great arguments is that in terms of campaign spending, he's getting more bang for his buck than anyone. If you can spend less and get better results, what's not to like?
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    Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    David Frum
    If dinosaurs had National Committees... "I think we can work with that meteor. It will act more presidential in the general ... "
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100

    Speedy said:

    Speedy said:

    Also some breaking news, Yahoo! has been bought by TPM.

    That's a spoof, surely?
    https://twitter.com/joshtpm/status/725100096858238977
    As I said... Where do you think they found the money to buy a $35bn company?
    Don't ask me.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,115
    Tim_B said:

    HYUFD said:

    MTimT said:

    Mortimer said:

    rcs1000 said:

    runnymede said:

    Re. the income tax thing -

    In 1914 about 7% of the population paid income tax, less than 20% of workers did just before WWII

    In 1914, government spending was 6% of GDP. that should again be the target.
    And I thought I was a small stater!
    Indeed, I'd be happy if the US could get total government spending (about 36% currently) back under the 30% mark.

    Link to US spending as % GDP at
    http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/total_2016USpt_88ps5n
    Based on that chart of presidents from 1940 FDR, IKE, LBJ, Ford, Reagan, Bush Snr, George W Bush and Obama all increased spending. JFK, Nixon and Carter left it unchanged. The only presidents to cut it were Harry Truman and Bill Clinton, both Democrats
    That's part of the reason Americans are mad as hell at Washington. Even after the most savage mid-term beating in 80 years in 2010 due to spending and Obamacare - even Obama called it a shellacking - the spending went on. In 2014 Republicans took control of Congress, less as a vote of confidence in their policies than as a way to stop the country's drift leftwards and stop Obama. The spending continued.

    The country is mad that whoever is in charge, nothing stops the spending growth and the executive orders. Hence the desire for a non-pol this time. Folks have had enough.

    It's a little simplistic, but makes the point.
    The rate of spending did decline from 2010-2016 and much of the decline under Clinton was due to the GOP congress. Whether Trump will really do much about spending is another matter, he is really a populist not a fiscal conservative
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,975
    Cruz conceeding all 5 states in Indiana - he's sounding like Kasich now...
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,975
    Hillary has picked Trump as her VP nominee - from Ted Cruz.

    No wonder Trump calls him LYIN' TED
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    Pulpstar said:

    Cruz conceeding all 5 states in Indiana - he's sounding like Kasich now...

    It's quite telling that Cruz is giving his speeches just before they announce that he lost.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,116
    Pulpstar said:

    Hillary has picked Trump as her VP nominee - from Ted Cruz.

    No wonder Trump calls him LYIN' TED

    Cruz's exaggerated full body chuckle after one of his laughter lines makes him look like a even more of a cartoon villain that he normally does. He's Dick Dastardly and Muttley in one person.
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    Speedy said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Cruz conceeding all 5 states in Indiana - he's sounding like Kasich now...

    It's quite telling that Cruz is giving his speeches just before they announce that he lost.
    Just good media management
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited April 2016
    Everyone projects Trump wins.

    Hillary is projected to win Maryland.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,975
    SWEEP FOR TRUMP
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,115
    CNN Pennsylvania exit poll

    GOP
    Trump 58
    Cruz 22
    Kasich 17

    Dems
    Clinton 55
    Sanders 45
    http://edition.cnn.com/election/primaries/polls/pa/Rep
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited April 2016
    Exit Polls

    PA
    Trump 58
    Cruz 22
    Kasich 17

    MD
    Trump 53
    Kasich 24
    Cruz 21

    CT
    Trump 57
    Kasich 26
    Cruz 15
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,985
    Speedy said:

    Exit Polls

    PA
    Trump 58
    Cruz 22
    Kasich 17

    MD
    Trump 53
    Kasich 24
    Cruz 21

    CT
    Trump 57
    Kasich 26
    Cruz 15

    Trump Train officially out of control? :D
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