Crick is acting as judge, jury and executor on this story, which he then prefaces with "some experts might say that..." as 100% they have broken the rules. But by that statement, he is at the same time acknowledging that it is debatable.

Seems to me that all parties have ways to stretch the elastic to the limit in regards to these funding caps, and the Tories happened to have a particularly well organized set of 4 "battle buses" of young activists this time around.

JackW said:

geoffw said:

nigel4england said:

TCPoliticalBetting said:

AlastairMeeks said:

john_zims said:

@AlastairMeeks

'without being subject to the bureaucracy of individual nations’ visa systems'


Is Kenyon just ignorant of the fact that apart from COMECON countries there were no visa requirements to travel in Europe before we joined the EU or is it just another scare story ?

The appeal of Brexit for many of your fellow leavers is to be able to reintroduce restrictions on freedom of movement.

I went to Germany and Austria before 1973 without a Visa and in 1978 to Sweden without a Visa before they joined the EU even though we had......

I went to the World Cup Final in Munich in 1974, didn't need a visa either...

I was taken to West Germany in 1949 without a visa.

Some say I met the Kaiser .... before WWI ....

Austrian or German?

geoffw said:

JackW said:

geoffw said:

nigel4england said:

TCPoliticalBetting said:

AlastairMeeks said:

john_zims said:

@AlastairMeeks

'without being subject to the bureaucracy of individual nations’ visa systems'


Is Kenyon just ignorant of the fact that apart from COMECON countries there were no visa requirements to travel in Europe before we joined the EU or is it just another scare story ?

The appeal of Brexit for many of your fellow leavers is to be able to reintroduce restrictions on freedom of movement.

I went to Germany and Austria before 1973 without a Visa and in 1978 to Sweden without a Visa before they joined the EU even though we had......

I went to the World Cup Final in Munich in 1974, didn't need a visa either...

I was taken to West Germany in 1949 without a visa.

Some say I met the Kaiser .... before WWI ....

Austrian or German?

Austrian Kaiser ??

AlastairMeeks said:

Luckyguy1983 said:

AlastairMeeks said:

Casino_Royale said:

Casino_Royale said:

AlastairMeeks said:

john_zims said:

@AlastairMeeks

'without being subject to the bureaucracy of individual nations’ visa systems'


Is Kenyon just ignorant of the fact that apart from COMECON countries there were no visa requirements to travel in Europe before we joined the EU or is it just another scare story ?

The appeal of Brexit for many of your fellow leavers is to be able to reintroduce restrictions on freedom of movement.

With full control of immigration repatriated, and public confidence restored, it's perfectly possible there'd be broad political support for relatively high rates of net immigration, provided this was done on a high-skills, needs based approach and subject to change where necessary through normal electoral pressures.

Just like in Australia and Canada.

I might add that a lot of Remainers support the EU, because they think it overrides their perceptions of what they think would happen if democracy was allowed to prevail, in their interests.

This is neither healthy nor sustainable for the body politik.

Respect and trust the people.

They might surprise you.

There's a referendum going on. The people are being trusted.

Recent migrants are twice as likely as the native-born to have completed education aged 21 or over. They already are disproportionately high-skilled. Given that current employment is at record levels, the system is already working for Britain.

Then a points based system won't be a problem.

So you change a system that is working well for Britain for the hell of it? Logic fail.

Nope . Our political masters across the channel say if it's broke don't fix it....

FrancisUrquhart said:

UK's regional foods could lose protection after Brexit, Cameron says

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/apr/21/brexit-eu-referendum-uk-regional-food-protection-david-cameron

No more Cornish Pasties, Melton Mowbray pork pies...

More pork pies from Project Fare.

chestnut said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

UK's regional foods could lose protection after Brexit, Cameron says

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/apr/21/brexit-eu-referendum-uk-regional-food-protection-david-cameron

No more Cornish Pasties, Melton Mowbray pork pies...

Save the euro-sausage.

Fudge. It's all the EU is good for....

JackW said:

geoffw said:

JackW said:

eek said:

JackW said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

UK's regional foods could lose protection after Brexit, Cameron says

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/apr/21/brexit-eu-referendum-uk-regional-food-protection-david-cameron

No more Cornish Pasties, Melton Mowbray pork pies...

No more Auchentennach Fine Pies !!!!!!!!!! ....

BREXITEERS - Don't mess with my pies ....

Is barrel scraping regionally protected around Westminster...

Only when the EU has you over a barrel.

A pork barrel?

Barrel of laughs.

Roll it OUT.

And FFS, Prince? Will somebody take the damned scythe off that man....

Prince really strikes home. Similar age. Damn. He was still making good music too.

From this morning:

DavidL said:

Treasury forecast was £74.5bn and the BBC (in a move clearly designed to give Another Richard a heart attack and thus weaken the Leave cause) are reporting it as the first time that Osborne has missed his forecast. Ultimately I think it is very unlikely he will because £500m is a very small revisal on such large numbers.

Big assumption that the deficit will be revised down.

The 2014/15 deficit was initially reported as £87bn:

http://web.ons.gov.uk/ons/dcp171778_402118.pdf

It has subsequently been revised upwards to £92bn:

https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/governmentpublicsectorandtaxes/publicsectorfinance/timeseries/dzls

Likewise the 2013/14 deficit has been increased from £98bn to £103bn during the last year.

Anyway here is the present comparison of Osborne's borrowing prediction:

Predicted
2010/11 £149bn
2011/12 £116bn
2012/13 £89bn
2013/14 £60bn
2014/15 £37bn
2015/16 £20bn
Total £471bn

Actual
2010/11 £137bn
2011/12 £116bn
2012/13 £121bn
2013/14 £103bn
2014/15 £92bn
2015/16 £74bn
Total £643bn

An overall overborrow of £172bn.

geoffw said:

JackW said:

geoffw said:

JackW said:

eek said:

JackW said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

UK's regional foods could lose protection after Brexit, Cameron says

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/apr/21/brexit-eu-referendum-uk-regional-food-protection-david-cameron

No more Cornish Pasties, Melton Mowbray pork pies...

No more Auchentennach Fine Pies !!!!!!!!!! ....

BREXITEERS - Don't mess with my pies ....

Is barrel scraping regionally protected around Westminster...

Only when the EU has you over a barrel.

A pork barrel?

Barrel of laughs.

Roll it OUT.

The "euro sausage" roll?

Moses_ said:

geoffw said:

JackW said:

geoffw said:

JackW said:

eek said:

JackW said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

UK's regional foods could lose protection after Brexit, Cameron says

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/apr/21/brexit-eu-referendum-uk-regional-food-protection-david-cameron

No more Cornish Pasties, Melton Mowbray pork pies...

No more Auchentennach Fine Pies !!!!!!!!!! ....

BREXITEERS - Don't mess with my pies ....

Is barrel scraping regionally protected around Westminster...

Only when the EU has you over a barrel.

A pork barrel?

Barrel of laughs.

Roll it OUT.

The "euro sausage" roll?

Oi I'm talkin' about the barrel of larfs from the Bremainers.

JackW said:

geoffw said:

JackW said:

eek said:

JackW said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

UK's regional foods could lose protection after Brexit, Cameron says

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/apr/21/brexit-eu-referendum-uk-regional-food-protection-david-cameron

No more Cornish Pasties, Melton Mowbray pork pies...

No more Auchentennach Fine Pies !!!!!!!!!! ....

BREXITEERS - Don't mess with my pies ....

Is barrel scraping regionally protected around Westminster...

Only when the EU has you over a barrel.

A pork barrel?

Barrel of laughs.

Jack roll ?


(transitive) To rob or mug (a person).

Moses_ said:

JackW said:

geoffw said:

JackW said:

eek said:

JackW said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

UK's regional foods could lose protection after Brexit, Cameron says

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/apr/21/brexit-eu-referendum-uk-regional-food-protection-david-cameron

No more Cornish Pasties, Melton Mowbray pork pies...

No more Auchentennach Fine Pies !!!!!!!!!! ....

BREXITEERS - Don't mess with my pies ....

Is barrel scraping regionally protected around Westminster...

Only when the EU has you over a barrel.

A pork barrel?

Barrel of laughs.

Jack roll ?


(transitive) To rob or mug (a person).

Swiss Roll - LEAVE model

FrancisUrquhart said:

PSA Peugeot Citroen offices have been raided by anti-fraud investigators as part of ongoing investigations on pollutants in the car industry.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36106783

Given that no small number of companies have been caught could you sue or demand compensation based on the claim that you bought the vehicle based on its remarkable ability to protect trees and little animals and you are now suffering stress trauma because you were misled.

Otherwise they get away with it with the customers while governments simply fill their coffers with the fines.

Indigo said:

Moses_ said:

As I have constantly said I its remain, which is now likely, then we will get utterly monstered with demands from Brussels as soon as the counting is complete. You heard it here first.

You heard it on today's missive from Dan Hannan.

The Ports Directive to name but one, which is going to shaft our container ports and has carefully been held back until after the referendum.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3XWdc6P3Yo

After a vote to remain we will see an increase in EU budget contributions, the Port Services Directive, social welfare union, energy union aka Common External Energy Policy, EU army, etc.

I will enjoy watching the Europhiles try to explain away the onslaught of integration that will occur and how it will be good for the UK.

After the fiasco over the European Arrest Warrant it is clearly obvious that the Tories cannot be trusted over handing further powers to the EU.

MP_SE said:

Indigo said:

Moses_ said:

As I have constantly said I its remain, which is now likely, then we will get utterly monstered with demands from Brussels as soon as the counting is complete. You heard it here first.

You heard it on today's missive from Dan Hannan.

The Ports Directive to name but one, which is going to shaft our container ports and has carefully been held back until after the referendum.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3XWdc6P3Yo

After a vote to remain we will see an increase in EU budget contributions, the Port Services Directive, social welfare union, energy union aka Common External Energy Policy, EU army, etc.

I will enjoy watching the Europhiles try to explain away the onslaught of integration that will occur and how it will be good for the UK.

After the fiasco over the European Arrest Warrant it is clearly obvious that the Tories cannot be trusted over handing further powers to the EU.

They won't bother to explain away.
It will be too late.
We may get the odd post about our influence and seat at the table etc, but that will be about it,

Indigo said:

Moses_ said:

As I have constantly said I its remain, which is now likely, then we will get utterly monstered with demands from Brussels as soon as the counting is complete. You heard it here first.

You heard it on today's missive from Dan Hannan.

The Ports Directive to name but one, which is going to shaft our container ports and has carefully been held back until after the referendum.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3XWdc6P3Yo

Hadn't seen this but thanks. I have been saying it for months and even longer. Whoever says it the fact remains "monstered" is probably the iceberg tip.

Moses_ said:

Indigo said:

Moses_ said:

As I have constantly said I its remain, which is now likely, then we will get utterly monstered with demands from Brussels as soon as the counting is complete. You heard it here first.

You heard it on today's missive from Dan Hannan.

The Ports Directive to name but one, which is going to shaft our container ports and has carefully been held back until after the referendum.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3XWdc6P3Yo

Hadn't seen this but thanks. I have been saying it for months and even longer. Whoever says it the fact remains "monstered" is probably the iceberg tip.

I posted about this a few weeks ago. IIRC, all the UK's MEPs voted against the Directive.
So much for having a "say" in the rules.

watford30 said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

UK's regional foods could lose protection after Brexit, Cameron says

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/apr/21/brexit-eu-referendum-uk-regional-food-protection-david-cameron

No more Cornish Pasties, Melton Mowbray pork pies...

Presumably that's the same EU that tried to ban the use of unpasteurised milk in traditional cheesemaking, until the French kicked up a stink.
Still, it's a good job the WTO has rules on protected geographical designations.
https://www.wto.org/english/tratop_e/trips_e/gi_background_e.htm

The sheer amount of shite that is piling up from REMAIN beggars belief. But will the working class think this justifies 3 million more immigrants?

Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:

MP_SE said:

Indigo said:

Moses_ said:

As I have constantly said I its remain, which is now likely, then we will get utterly monstered with demands from Brussels as soon as the counting is complete. You heard it here first.

You heard it on today's missive from Dan Hannan.

The Ports Directive to name but one, which is going to shaft our container ports and has carefully been held back until after the referendum.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3XWdc6P3Yo

After a vote to remain we will see an increase in EU budget contributions, the Port Services Directive, social welfare union, energy union aka Common External Energy Policy, EU army, etc.

I will enjoy watching the Europhiles try to explain away the onslaught of integration that will occur and how it will be good for the UK.

After the fiasco over the European Arrest Warrant it is clearly obvious that the Tories cannot be trusted over handing further powers to the EU.

They won't bother to explain away.
It will be too late.
We may get the odd post about our influence and seat at the table etc, but that will be about it,

They'll never have to explain again. That's the point. We really are in last chance saloon here. And an emphatic victory will be worse. At least a wafer thin Remain gives some pause for thought.

LucyJones said:

Moses_ said:

Indigo said:

Moses_ said:

As I have constantly said I its remain, which is now likely, then we will get utterly monstered with demands from Brussels as soon as the counting is complete. You heard it here first.

You heard it on today's missive from Dan Hannan.

The Ports Directive to name but one, which is going to shaft our container ports and has carefully been held back until after the referendum.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3XWdc6P3Yo

Hadn't seen this but thanks. I have been saying it for months and even longer. Whoever says it the fact remains "monstered" is probably the iceberg tip.

I posted about this a few weeks ago. IIRC, all the UK's MEPs voted against the Directive.
So much for having a "say" in the rules.

Agreed and this so called democratic process just isn't. The original problem was with the number of countries involved and a veto system nothing tended to get done. If it ever was it the outcome took years to achieve displeased most participants , ended up meaningless and more often than not was what the French wanted in the first place.

So they introduce QMV to make the system easier but it's just as bad but in the opposite direction. I suspect It is the QMV that will do for us in the long run or more likely the short term because when the onslaught starts and it really will, QMV will result in such a massive schism in the dealings with Europe we leave by default anyway along with a handful of others.

Richard_Tyndall said:

watford30 said:

The PGI status that Cameron refers to, has actually caused the loss of jobs in the UK.

As an example, Pork Farms were forced to shut down their pie making operations in Wiltshire before the law came into effect, with the loss of 400 jobs. For the town of Trowbridge, this was the equivalent of losing their steel industry. I don't recollect the government stepping in to help.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melton_Mowbray_Pork_Pie_Association

I am sure the good people of Stilton will also be pleased given that they are currently banned from naming their cheese after the village it originated from due to EU rules.

Can't even buy a decent vacuum cleaner these days without EU meddling and by the way the EU rules for the standard sizes for car parking spaces result in a multitude of dents in my doors.

Pah!

New thread folks...

RobD said:

LucyJones said:

Moses_ said:

Indigo said:

Moses_ said:

As I have constantly said I its remain, which is now likely, then we will get utterly monstered with demands from Brussels as soon as the counting is complete. You heard it here first.

You heard it on today's missive from Dan Hannan.

The Ports Directive to name but one, which is going to shaft our container ports and has carefully been held back until after the referendum.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3XWdc6P3Yo

Hadn't seen this but thanks. I have been saying it for months and even longer. Whoever says it the fact remains "monstered" is probably the iceberg tip.

I posted about this a few weeks ago. IIRC, all the UK's MEPs voted against the Directive.
So much for having a "say" in the rules.

I guess that's how democracy works when you are part of a union with many other countries.

Well, yes. And when those countries all have differing interests and priorities, then it is difficult, if not impossible, to settle on policies that will be beneficial to all. The size and nature of the EU means that we will increasingly see decisions made will which have an adverse impact on the UK's interests and about which we can do nothing.
Amongst other things, tis an example of a huge "West Lothian Question": Why are landlocked countries like Austria allowed to vote to put legislation in place which will harm the UK's ports?

In the meantime, for Shakespeare day, some thoughts penned the other day on seeing the exhibition at the British Library:

Entombed within a court of whispered sounds
The evidence of genius on display
Of beauteous language, vivid and profound
Pre-eminent, as sun commands the day

Now tested through the ages old and new
As empires, wealth and power rise and fall
But words and drama are forever true
And character eternal, one and all

Yet printed words can only be a start
For action can alone bring them alive
The script is bones awaiting actors’ heart
The stage and screen its habitat to thrive

A reverence undue for written page
Betrays his Will that all the world’s a stage

Huzzah - well done Robert, you’ve unbroken it.

PBers .... please queue to comment on PB's return to norm ....

LEAVE posters to the back ....

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