Crick is acting as judge, jury and executor on this story, which he then prefaces with "some experts might say that..." as 100% they have broken the rules. But by that statement, he is at the same time acknowledging that it is debatable.
Seems to me that all parties have ways to stretch the elastic to the limit in regards to these funding caps, and the Tories happened to have a particularly well organized set of 4 "battle buses" of young activists this time around.
The PGI status that Cameron refers to, has actually caused the loss of jobs in the UK.
As an example, Pork Farms were forced to shut down their pie making operations in Wiltshire before the law came into effect, with the loss of 400 jobs. For the town of Trowbridge, this was the equivalent of losing their steel industry. I don't recollect the government stepping in to help.
This regional foods thing is nonsense. There is (as far as I know) no reason whatsoever that a Botswanan lady of cheesy refinement can't call her product Cheddar. Who cares really, as long as we get the original tasty Canadian stuff on our shelves and can choose as we wish then I don't. (...)
Canadian "Cheddar" ?!?! .... your admission should lead to length exile to ConHome.
'without being subject to the bureaucracy of individual nations’ visa systems'
Is Kenyon just ignorant of the fact that apart from COMECON countries there were no visa requirements to travel in Europe before we joined the EU or is it just another scare story ?
The appeal of Brexit for many of your fellow leavers is to be able to reintroduce restrictions on freedom of movement.
I went to Germany and Austria before 1973 without a Visa and in 1978 to Sweden without a Visa before they joined the EU even though we had......
I went to the World Cup Final in Munich in 1974, didn't need a visa either...
I was taken to West Germany in 1949 without a visa.
'without being subject to the bureaucracy of individual nations’ visa systems'
Is Kenyon just ignorant of the fact that apart from COMECON countries there were no visa requirements to travel in Europe before we joined the EU or is it just another scare story ?
The appeal of Brexit for many of your fellow leavers is to be able to reintroduce restrictions on freedom of movement.
I went to Germany and Austria before 1973 without a Visa and in 1978 to Sweden without a Visa before they joined the EU even though we had......
I went to the World Cup Final in Munich in 1974, didn't need a visa either...
I was taken to West Germany in 1949 without a visa.
'without being subject to the bureaucracy of individual nations’ visa systems'
Is Kenyon just ignorant of the fact that apart from COMECON countries there were no visa requirements to travel in Europe before we joined the EU or is it just another scare story ?
The appeal of Brexit for many of your fellow leavers is to be able to reintroduce restrictions on freedom of movement.
With full control of immigration repatriated, and public confidence restored, it's perfectly possible there'd be broad political support for relatively high rates of net immigration, provided this was done on a high-skills, needs based approach and subject to change where necessary through normal electoral pressures.
Just like in Australia and Canada.
I might add that a lot of Remainers support the EU, because they think it overrides their perceptions of what they think would happen if democracy was allowed to prevail, in their interests.
This is neither healthy nor sustainable for the body politik.
Respect and trust the people.
They might surprise you.
There's a referendum going on. The people are being trusted.
Recent migrants are twice as likely as the native-born to have completed education aged 21 or over. They already are disproportionately high-skilled. Given that current employment is at record levels, the system is already working for Britain.
Then a points based system won't be a problem.
So you change a system that is working well for Britain for the hell of it? Logic fail.
Nope . Our political masters across the channel say if it's broke don't fix it....
'without being subject to the bureaucracy of individual nations’ visa systems'
Is Kenyon just ignorant of the fact that apart from COMECON countries there were no visa requirements to travel in Europe before we joined the EU or is it just another scare story ?
The appeal of Brexit for many of your fellow leavers is to be able to reintroduce restrictions on freedom of movement.
I went to Germany and Austria before 1973 without a Visa and in 1978 to Sweden without a Visa before they joined the EU even though we had......
I went to the World Cup Final in Munich in 1974, didn't need a visa either...
I was taken to West Germany in 1949 without a visa.
Oh FFS Evening standard tonight Barbican Chief - Brexit could damage capitals arts scene.
Getting sick of this. Every day another "the worlds gonna end" if you do it. Remains campaign is just ridiculous now.
It's a Democracy, people can express their opinions, what's the problem?
And Moses is merely expressing his opinion about Remain 'scaremongering'.
I think what Moses is really "sick of" is a constant stream of adverse comments about Brexit from a wide variety of sources. Dismissing everything as "scaremongering" isn't much of a strategy and it is not working. .
Oh FFS Evening standard tonight Barbican Chief - Brexit could damage capitals arts scene.
Getting sick of this. Every day another "the worlds gonna end" if you do it. Remains campaign is just ridiculous now.
It's a Democracy, people can express their opinions, what's the problem?
And Moses is merely expressing his opinion about Remain 'scaremongering'.
I think what Moses is really "sick of" is a constant stream of adverse comments about Brexit from a wide variety of sources. Dismissing everything as "scaremongering" isn't much of a strategy and it is not working. .
Perhaps the suggestion that vibrant and diverse arts communities and unhindered travel for artists outside the structure of the EU cannot exist, is merely ill informed bollocks.
Treasury forecast was £74.5bn and the BBC (in a move clearly designed to give Another Richard a heart attack and thus weaken the Leave cause) are reporting it as the first time that Osborne has missed his forecast. Ultimately I think it is very unlikely he will because £500m is a very small revisal on such large numbers.
Big assumption that the deficit will be revised down.
The 2014/15 deficit was initially reported as £87bn:
Oh FFS Evening standard tonight Barbican Chief - Brexit could damage capitals arts scene.
Getting sick of this. Every day another "the worlds gonna end" if you do it. Remains campaign is just ridiculous now.
It's a Democracy, people can express their opinions, what's the problem?
And Moses is merely expressing his opinion about Remain 'scaremongering'.
I think what Moses is really "sick of" is a constant stream of adverse comments about Brexit from a wide variety of sources. Dismissing everything as "scaremongering" isn't much of a strategy and it is not working. .
Actually what I am sick off is these wide variety of sources that don't have the cojones to stand up for themselves and seem to think that we, this great country and its people cannot possibly function in any way without the faceless, unelected and unaccountable bureaucrats in Brussels telling us what and how to do it.
As I have constantly said I its remain, which is now likely, then we will get utterly monstered with demands from Brussels as soon as the counting is complete. You heard it here first.
Why this receives such little media given the millions of people involved as either workers or customers and the tens of billions of expenditure baffles me.
As I have constantly said I its remain, which is now likely, then we will get utterly monstered with demands from Brussels as soon as the counting is complete. You heard it here first.
You heard it on today's missive from Dan Hannan.
The Ports Directive to name but one, which is going to shaft our container ports and has carefully been held back until after the referendum.
Given that no small number of companies have been caught could you sue or demand compensation based on the claim that you bought the vehicle based on its remarkable ability to protect trees and little animals and you are now suffering stress trauma because you were misled.
Otherwise they get away with it with the customers while governments simply fill their coffers with the fines.
I'm suppose when you're a bit of a politico and you see Project Fear as a cumulation, it's going to look more stupid than it does to people who may only be touched by one or two pieces that affect them.
As I have constantly said I its remain, which is now likely, then we will get utterly monstered with demands from Brussels as soon as the counting is complete. You heard it here first.
You heard it on today's missive from Dan Hannan.
The Ports Directive to name but one, which is going to shaft our container ports and has carefully been held back until after the referendum.
After a vote to remain we will see an increase in EU budget contributions, the Port Services Directive, social welfare union, energy union aka Common External Energy Policy, EU army, etc.
I will enjoy watching the Europhiles try to explain away the onslaught of integration that will occur and how it will be good for the UK.
After the fiasco over the European Arrest Warrant it is clearly obvious that the Tories cannot be trusted over handing further powers to the EU.
Treasury forecast was £74.5bn and the BBC (in a move clearly designed to give Another Richard a heart attack and thus weaken the Leave cause) are reporting it as the first time that Osborne has missed his forecast. Ultimately I think it is very unlikely he will because £500m is a very small revisal on such large numbers.
Big assumption that the deficit will be revised down.
The 2014/15 deficit was initially reported as £87bn:
As I have constantly said I its remain, which is now likely, then we will get utterly monstered with demands from Brussels as soon as the counting is complete. You heard it here first.
You heard it on today's missive from Dan Hannan.
The Ports Directive to name but one, which is going to shaft our container ports and has carefully been held back until after the referendum.
After a vote to remain we will see an increase in EU budget contributions, the Port Services Directive, social welfare union, energy union aka Common External Energy Policy, EU army, etc.
I will enjoy watching the Europhiles try to explain away the onslaught of integration that will occur and how it will be good for the UK.
After the fiasco over the European Arrest Warrant it is clearly obvious that the Tories cannot be trusted over handing further powers to the EU.
They won't bother to explain away. It will be too late. We may get the odd post about our influence and seat at the table etc, but that will be about it,
As I have constantly said I its remain, which is now likely, then we will get utterly monstered with demands from Brussels as soon as the counting is complete. You heard it here first.
You heard it on today's missive from Dan Hannan.
The Ports Directive to name but one, which is going to shaft our container ports and has carefully been held back until after the referendum.
After a vote to remain we will see an increase in EU budget contributions, the Port Services Directive, social welfare union, energy union aka Common External Energy Policy, EU army, etc.
I will enjoy watching the Europhiles try to explain away the onslaught of integration that will occur and how it will be good for the UK.
After the fiasco over the European Arrest Warrant it is clearly obvious that the Tories cannot be trusted over handing further powers to the EU.
None of them can be. So who do we vote in as a government?
As I have constantly said I its remain, which is now likely, then we will get utterly monstered with demands from Brussels as soon as the counting is complete. You heard it here first.
You heard it on today's missive from Dan Hannan.
The Ports Directive to name but one, which is going to shaft our container ports and has carefully been held back until after the referendum.
Hadn't seen this but thanks. I have been saying it for months and even longer. Whoever says it the fact remains "monstered" is probably the iceberg tip.
As I have constantly said I its remain, which is now likely, then we will get utterly monstered with demands from Brussels as soon as the counting is complete. You heard it here first.
You heard it on today's missive from Dan Hannan.
The Ports Directive to name but one, which is going to shaft our container ports and has carefully been held back until after the referendum.
After a vote to remain we will see an increase in EU budget contributions, the Port Services Directive, social welfare union, energy union aka Common External Energy Policy, EU army, etc.
I will enjoy watching the Europhiles try to explain away the onslaught of integration that will occur and how it will be good for the UK.
After the fiasco over the European Arrest Warrant it is clearly obvious that the Tories cannot be trusted over handing further powers to the EU.
They won't bother to explain away. It will be too late. We may get the odd post about our influence and seat at the table etc, but that will be about it,
To be fair if it's remain then keep the uk parish councillors and the top table politEuro in Brussels
Anything else in between will be to all intents and purposes, superfluous.
As I have constantly said I its remain, which is now likely, then we will get utterly monstered with demands from Brussels as soon as the counting is complete. You heard it here first.
You heard it on today's missive from Dan Hannan.
The Ports Directive to name but one, which is going to shaft our container ports and has carefully been held back until after the referendum.
Hadn't seen this but thanks. I have been saying it for months and even longer. Whoever says it the fact remains "monstered" is probably the iceberg tip.
I posted about this a few weeks ago. IIRC, all the UK's MEPs voted against the Directive. So much for having a "say" in the rules.
As I have constantly said I its remain, which is now likely, then we will get utterly monstered with demands from Brussels as soon as the counting is complete. You heard it here first.
You heard it on today's missive from Dan Hannan.
The Ports Directive to name but one, which is going to shaft our container ports and has carefully been held back until after the referendum.
Hadn't seen this but thanks. I have been saying it for months and even longer. Whoever says it the fact remains "monstered" is probably the iceberg tip.
I posted about this a few weeks ago. IIRC, all the UK's MEPs voted against the Directive. So much for having a "say" in the rules.
I guess that's how democracy works when you are part of a union with many other countries.
No more Cornish Pasties, Melton Mowbray pork pies...
Presumably that's the same EU that tried to ban the use of unpasteurised milk in traditional cheesemaking, until the French kicked up a stink. Still, it's a good job the WTO has rules on protected geographical designations. https://www.wto.org/english/tratop_e/trips_e/gi_background_e.htm
The sheer amount of shite that is piling up from REMAIN beggars belief. But will the working class think this justifies 3 million more immigrants?
As I have constantly said I its remain, which is now likely, then we will get utterly monstered with demands from Brussels as soon as the counting is complete. You heard it here first.
You heard it on today's missive from Dan Hannan.
The Ports Directive to name but one, which is going to shaft our container ports and has carefully been held back until after the referendum.
After a vote to remain we will see an increase in EU budget contributions, the Port Services Directive, social welfare union, energy union aka Common External Energy Policy, EU army, etc.
I will enjoy watching the Europhiles try to explain away the onslaught of integration that will occur and how it will be good for the UK.
After the fiasco over the European Arrest Warrant it is clearly obvious that the Tories cannot be trusted over handing further powers to the EU.
They won't bother to explain away. It will be too late. We may get the odd post about our influence and seat at the table etc, but that will be about it,
They'll never have to explain again. That's the point. We really are in last chance saloon here. And an emphatic victory will be worse. At least a wafer thin Remain gives some pause for thought.
The PGI status that Cameron refers to, has actually caused the loss of jobs in the UK.
As an example, Pork Farms were forced to shut down their pie making operations in Wiltshire before the law came into effect, with the loss of 400 jobs. For the town of Trowbridge, this was the equivalent of losing their steel industry. I don't recollect the government stepping in to help.
I am sure the good people of Stilton will also be pleased given that they are currently banned from naming their cheese after the village it originated from due to EU rules.
As I have constantly said I its remain, which is now likely, then we will get utterly monstered with demands from Brussels as soon as the counting is complete. You heard it here first.
You heard it on today's missive from Dan Hannan.
The Ports Directive to name but one, which is going to shaft our container ports and has carefully been held back until after the referendum.
Hadn't seen this but thanks. I have been saying it for months and even longer. Whoever says it the fact remains "monstered" is probably the iceberg tip.
I posted about this a few weeks ago. IIRC, all the UK's MEPs voted against the Directive. So much for having a "say" in the rules.
Agreed and this so called democratic process just isn't. The original problem was with the number of countries involved and a veto system nothing tended to get done. If it ever was it the outcome took years to achieve displeased most participants , ended up meaningless and more often than not was what the French wanted in the first place.
So they introduce QMV to make the system easier but it's just as bad but in the opposite direction. I suspect It is the QMV that will do for us in the long run or more likely the short term because when the onslaught starts and it really will, QMV will result in such a massive schism in the dealings with Europe we leave by default anyway along with a handful of others.
another_richard, thanks for the scale of Osborne and Treasury depts excess borrowing over what they said they would achieve. This excess of £172bn, so far, is equivalent to the £6,000 per household that Osborne and the Treasury warned us we would get poorer exiting the EC.
Therefore Osborne has already caused us as much of a financial hit that he said the Brexit would cause us in 2030. Except Osborne has only taken 6 years to achieve that. So why have we not had the End of Days etc with this massive loss per household of £6,000?
The PGI status that Cameron refers to, has actually caused the loss of jobs in the UK.
As an example, Pork Farms were forced to shut down their pie making operations in Wiltshire before the law came into effect, with the loss of 400 jobs. For the town of Trowbridge, this was the equivalent of losing their steel industry. I don't recollect the government stepping in to help.
I am sure the good people of Stilton will also be pleased given that they are currently banned from naming their cheese after the village it originated from due to EU rules.
Can't even buy a decent vacuum cleaner these days without EU meddling and by the way the EU rules for the standard sizes for car parking spaces result in a multitude of dents in my doors.
another_richard, thanks for the scale of Osborne and Treasury depts excess borrowing over what they said they would achieve. This excess of £172bn, so far, is equivalent to the £6,000 per household that Osborne and the Treasury warned us we would get poorer exiting the EC.
Therefore Osborne has already caused us as much of a financial hit that he said the Brexit would cause us in 2030. Except Osborne has only taken 6 years to achieve that. So why have we not had the End of Days etc with this massive loss per household of £6,000?
The £6,000 per household is a FACT and not a Treasury guesstimate supported by the LSE. The fact is Osborne and his Treasury department have failed to meet their own targets by £172bn and added £6,000 of debt to each household more than they promised.
As I have constantly said I its remain, which is now likely, then we will get utterly monstered with demands from Brussels as soon as the counting is complete. You heard it here first.
You heard it on today's missive from Dan Hannan.
The Ports Directive to name but one, which is going to shaft our container ports and has carefully been held back until after the referendum.
Hadn't seen this but thanks. I have been saying it for months and even longer. Whoever says it the fact remains "monstered" is probably the iceberg tip.
I posted about this a few weeks ago. IIRC, all the UK's MEPs voted against the Directive. So much for having a "say" in the rules.
Agreed and this so called democratic process just isn't. The original problem was with the number of countries involved and a veto system nothing tended to get done. If it ever was it the outcome took years to achieve displeased most participants , ended up meaningless and more often than not was what the French wanted in the first place.
So they introduce QMV to make the system easier but it's just as bad but in the opposite direction. I suspect It is the QMV that will do for us in the long run or more likely the short term because when the onslaught starts and it really will, QMV will result in such a massive schism in the dealings with Europe we leave by default anyway along with a handful of others.
Don't worry - Dave's got us an opt out from ever closer union. Honest.
John Biffen understood what QMV would lead to 30 years ago. But people were too stupid to see it.
As I have constantly said I its remain, which is now likely, then we will get utterly monstered with demands from Brussels as soon as the counting is complete. You heard it here first.
You heard it on today's missive from Dan Hannan.
The Ports Directive to name but one, which is going to shaft our container ports and has carefully been held back until after the referendum.
Hadn't seen this but thanks. I have been saying it for months and even longer. Whoever says it the fact remains "monstered" is probably the iceberg tip.
I posted about this a few weeks ago. IIRC, all the UK's MEPs voted against the Directive. So much for having a "say" in the rules.
I guess that's how democracy works when you are part of a union with many other countries.
Well, yes. And when those countries all have differing interests and priorities, then it is difficult, if not impossible, to settle on policies that will be beneficial to all. The size and nature of the EU means that we will increasingly see decisions made will which have an adverse impact on the UK's interests and about which we can do nothing. Amongst other things, tis an example of a huge "West Lothian Question": Why are landlocked countries like Austria allowed to vote to put legislation in place which will harm the UK's ports?
In the meantime, for Shakespeare day, some thoughts penned the other day on seeing the exhibition at the British Library:
Entombed within a court of whispered sounds The evidence of genius on display Of beauteous language, vivid and profound Pre-eminent, as sun commands the day
Now tested through the ages old and new As empires, wealth and power rise and fall But words and drama are forever true And character eternal, one and all
Yet printed words can only be a start For action can alone bring them alive The script is bones awaiting actors’ heart The stage and screen its habitat to thrive
A reverence undue for written page Betrays his Will that all the world’s a stage
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Seems to me that all parties have ways to stretch the elastic to the limit in regards to these funding caps, and the Tories happened to have a particularly well organized set of 4 "battle buses" of young activists this time around.
As an example, Pork Farms were forced to shut down their pie making operations in Wiltshire before the law came into effect, with the loss of 400 jobs. For the town of Trowbridge, this was the equivalent of losing their steel industry. I don't recollect the government stepping in to help.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melton_Mowbray_Pork_Pie_Association
Prince really strikes home. Similar age. Damn. He was still making good music too.
Emperors nicht Kaisers.
Nicht zwar.
The 2014/15 deficit was initially reported as £87bn:
http://web.ons.gov.uk/ons/dcp171778_402118.pdf
It has subsequently been revised upwards to £92bn:
https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/governmentpublicsectorandtaxes/publicsectorfinance/timeseries/dzls
Likewise the 2013/14 deficit has been increased from £98bn to £103bn during the last year.
Anyway here is the present comparison of Osborne's borrowing prediction:
Predicted
2010/11 £149bn
2011/12 £116bn
2012/13 £89bn
2013/14 £60bn
2014/15 £37bn
2015/16 £20bn
Total £471bn
Actual
2010/11 £137bn
2011/12 £116bn
2012/13 £121bn
2013/14 £103bn
2014/15 £92bn
2015/16 £74bn
Total £643bn
An overall overborrow of £172bn.
As I have constantly said I its remain, which is now likely, then we will get utterly monstered with demands from Brussels as soon as the counting is complete. You heard it here first.
Other than that I'm a great fan.
https://www.ons.gov.uk/releases/overseastravelandtourismmonthlyprovisionalresultsfebruary2016
Why this receives such little media given the millions of people involved as either workers or customers and the tens of billions of expenditure baffles me.
The Ports Directive to name but one, which is going to shaft our container ports and has carefully been held back until after the referendum.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3XWdc6P3Yo
(transitive) To rob or mug (a person).
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36106783
Otherwise they get away with it with the customers while governments simply fill their coffers with the fines.
I will enjoy watching the Europhiles try to explain away the onslaught of integration that will occur and how it will be good for the UK.
After the fiasco over the European Arrest Warrant it is clearly obvious that the Tories cannot be trusted over handing further powers to the EU.
It will be too late.
We may get the odd post about our influence and seat at the table etc, but that will be about it,
Anything else in between will be to all intents and purposes, superfluous.
So much for having a "say" in the rules.
So they introduce QMV to make the system easier but it's just as bad but in the opposite direction. I suspect It is the QMV that will do for us in the long run or more likely the short term because when the onslaught starts and it really will, QMV will result in such a massive schism in the dealings with Europe we leave by default anyway along with a handful of others.
Therefore Osborne has already caused us as much of a financial hit that he said the Brexit would cause us in 2030. Except Osborne has only taken 6 years to achieve that. So why have we not had the End of Days etc with this massive loss per household of £6,000?
Pah!
John Biffen understood what QMV would lead to 30 years ago. But people were too stupid to see it.
Amongst other things, tis an example of a huge "West Lothian Question": Why are landlocked countries like Austria allowed to vote to put legislation in place which will harm the UK's ports?
Entombed within a court of whispered sounds
The evidence of genius on display
Of beauteous language, vivid and profound
Pre-eminent, as sun commands the day
Now tested through the ages old and new
As empires, wealth and power rise and fall
But words and drama are forever true
And character eternal, one and all
Yet printed words can only be a start
For action can alone bring them alive
The script is bones awaiting actors’ heart
The stage and screen its habitat to thrive
A reverence undue for written page
Betrays his Will that all the world’s a stage
And with that I'm off to plant some potatoes in the middle of our "green and pleasant land"
Hope that's OK with Barrack (and the Posh boys now supposedly running the country and who have never done a days work in their lives) ?
LEAVE posters to the back ....
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