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    eekeek Posts: 25,020
    JackW said:

    UK's regional foods could lose protection after Brexit, Cameron says

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/apr/21/brexit-eu-referendum-uk-regional-food-protection-david-cameron

    No more Cornish Pasties, Melton Mowbray pork pies...

    No more Auchentennach Fine Pies !!!!!!!!!! .... :astonished:

    BREXITEERS - Don't mess with my pies .... :angry:
    Is barrel scraping regionally protected around Westminster...
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,291
    edited April 2016
    Crick is acting as judge, jury and executor on this story, which he then prefaces with "some experts might say that..." as 100% they have broken the rules. But by that statement, he is at the same time acknowledging that it is debatable.

    Seems to me that all parties have ways to stretch the elastic to the limit in regards to these funding caps, and the Tories happened to have a particularly well organized set of 4 "battle buses" of young activists this time around.
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    Plato_SaysPlato_Says Posts: 11,822
    LucyJones said:

    Just got an email from David Owen asking for my donations. Vote Leave are being massively outspent by Remain apparently.

    Please give what you can. Every tenner helps.

    Have made a donation. So it was worth asking.

    I am thinking of following your example and ordering a load of leaflets to deliver locally.

    I donated again yesterday - every little bit adds up.
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    watford30watford30 Posts: 3,474
    The PGI status that Cameron refers to, has actually caused the loss of jobs in the UK.

    As an example, Pork Farms were forced to shut down their pie making operations in Wiltshire before the law came into effect, with the loss of 400 jobs. For the town of Trowbridge, this was the equivalent of losing their steel industry. I don't recollect the government stepping in to help.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melton_Mowbray_Pork_Pie_Association
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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    Omnium said:

    This regional foods thing is nonsense. There is (as far as I know) no reason whatsoever that a Botswanan lady of cheesy refinement can't call her product Cheddar. Who cares really, as long as we get the original tasty Canadian stuff on our shelves and can choose as we wish then I don't. (...)

    Canadian "Cheddar" ?!?! .... your admission should lead to length exile to ConHome.
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    geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,176
    JackW said:

    geoffw said:

    john_zims said:

    @AlastairMeeks

    'without being subject to the bureaucracy of individual nations’ visa systems'


    Is Kenyon just ignorant of the fact that apart from COMECON countries there were no visa requirements to travel in Europe before we joined the EU or is it just another scare story ?

    The appeal of Brexit for many of your fellow leavers is to be able to reintroduce restrictions on freedom of movement.
    I went to Germany and Austria before 1973 without a Visa and in 1978 to Sweden without a Visa before they joined the EU even though we had......
    I went to the World Cup Final in Munich in 1974, didn't need a visa either...
    I was taken to West Germany in 1949 without a visa.
    Some say I met the Kaiser .... before WWI .... :smiley:
    Austrian or German?
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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    eek said:

    JackW said:

    UK's regional foods could lose protection after Brexit, Cameron says

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/apr/21/brexit-eu-referendum-uk-regional-food-protection-david-cameron

    No more Cornish Pasties, Melton Mowbray pork pies...

    No more Auchentennach Fine Pies !!!!!!!!!! .... :astonished:

    BREXITEERS - Don't mess with my pies .... :angry:
    Is barrel scraping regionally protected around Westminster...
    Only when the EU has you over a barrel.
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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    geoffw said:

    JackW said:

    geoffw said:

    john_zims said:

    @AlastairMeeks

    'without being subject to the bureaucracy of individual nations’ visa systems'


    Is Kenyon just ignorant of the fact that apart from COMECON countries there were no visa requirements to travel in Europe before we joined the EU or is it just another scare story ?

    The appeal of Brexit for many of your fellow leavers is to be able to reintroduce restrictions on freedom of movement.
    I went to Germany and Austria before 1973 without a Visa and in 1978 to Sweden without a Visa before they joined the EU even though we had......
    I went to the World Cup Final in Munich in 1974, didn't need a visa either...
    I was taken to West Germany in 1949 without a visa.
    Some say I met the Kaiser .... before WWI .... :smiley:
    Austrian or German?
    Austrian Kaiser ??
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    geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,176
    JackW said:

    eek said:

    JackW said:

    UK's regional foods could lose protection after Brexit, Cameron says

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/apr/21/brexit-eu-referendum-uk-regional-food-protection-david-cameron

    No more Cornish Pasties, Melton Mowbray pork pies...

    No more Auchentennach Fine Pies !!!!!!!!!! .... :astonished:

    BREXITEERS - Don't mess with my pies .... :angry:
    Is barrel scraping regionally protected around Westminster...
    Only when the EU has you over a barrel.
    A pork barrel?
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    Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865

    john_zims said:

    @AlastairMeeks

    'without being subject to the bureaucracy of individual nations’ visa systems'


    Is Kenyon just ignorant of the fact that apart from COMECON countries there were no visa requirements to travel in Europe before we joined the EU or is it just another scare story ?

    The appeal of Brexit for many of your fellow leavers is to be able to reintroduce restrictions on freedom of movement.
    With full control of immigration repatriated, and public confidence restored, it's perfectly possible there'd be broad political support for relatively high rates of net immigration, provided this was done on a high-skills, needs based approach and subject to change where necessary through normal electoral pressures.

    Just like in Australia and Canada.
    I might add that a lot of Remainers support the EU, because they think it overrides their perceptions of what they think would happen if democracy was allowed to prevail, in their interests.

    This is neither healthy nor sustainable for the body politik.

    Respect and trust the people.

    They might surprise you.
    There's a referendum going on. The people are being trusted.

    Recent migrants are twice as likely as the native-born to have completed education aged 21 or over. They already are disproportionately high-skilled. Given that current employment is at record levels, the system is already working for Britain.
    Then a points based system won't be a problem.
    So you change a system that is working well for Britain for the hell of it? Logic fail.
    Nope . Our political masters across the channel say if it's broke don't fix it....
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    geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,176
    JackW said:

    eek said:

    JackW said:

    UK's regional foods could lose protection after Brexit, Cameron says

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/apr/21/brexit-eu-referendum-uk-regional-food-protection-david-cameron

    No more Cornish Pasties, Melton Mowbray pork pies...

    No more Auchentennach Fine Pies !!!!!!!!!! .... :astonished:

    BREXITEERS - Don't mess with my pies .... :angry:
    Is barrel scraping regionally protected around Westminster...
    Only when the EU has you over a barrel.
    A pork barrel?
    JackW said:

    geoffw said:

    JackW said:

    geoffw said:

    john_zims said:

    @AlastairMeeks

    'without being subject to the bureaucracy of individual nations’ visa systems'


    Is Kenyon just ignorant of the fact that apart from COMECON countries there were no visa requirements to travel in Europe before we joined the EU or is it just another scare story ?

    The appeal of Brexit for many of your fellow leavers is to be able to reintroduce restrictions on freedom of movement.
    I went to Germany and Austria before 1973 without a Visa and in 1978 to Sweden without a Visa before they joined the EU even though we had......
    I went to the World Cup Final in Munich in 1974, didn't need a visa either...
    I was taken to West Germany in 1949 without a visa.
    Some say I met the Kaiser .... before WWI .... :smiley:
    Austrian or German?
    Austrian Kaiser ??
    Franz, Ferdinand, Franz Joseph or Karl.
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    MonikerDiCanioMonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792

    UK's regional foods could lose protection after Brexit, Cameron says

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/apr/21/brexit-eu-referendum-uk-regional-food-protection-david-cameron

    No more Cornish Pasties, Melton Mowbray pork pies...

    More pork pies from Project Fare.
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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    geoffw said:

    JackW said:

    eek said:

    JackW said:

    UK's regional foods could lose protection after Brexit, Cameron says

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/apr/21/brexit-eu-referendum-uk-regional-food-protection-david-cameron

    No more Cornish Pasties, Melton Mowbray pork pies...

    No more Auchentennach Fine Pies !!!!!!!!!! .... :astonished:

    BREXITEERS - Don't mess with my pies .... :angry:
    Is barrel scraping regionally protected around Westminster...
    Only when the EU has you over a barrel.
    A pork barrel?
    Barrel of laughs.
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,137
    chestnut said:

    UK's regional foods could lose protection after Brexit, Cameron says

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/apr/21/brexit-eu-referendum-uk-regional-food-protection-david-cameron

    No more Cornish Pasties, Melton Mowbray pork pies...

    Save the euro-sausage.
    Fudge. It's all the EU is good for....
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    OllyTOllyT Posts: 4,917
    watford30 said:

    OllyT said:

    Moses_ said:

    Oh FFS
    Evening standard tonight
    Barbican Chief - Brexit could damage capitals arts scene.

    Getting sick of this. Every day another "the worlds gonna end" if you do it. Remains campaign is just ridiculous now.

    It's a Democracy, people can express their opinions, what's the problem?
    And Moses is merely expressing his opinion about Remain 'scaremongering'.
    I think what Moses is really "sick of" is a constant stream of adverse comments about Brexit from a wide variety of sources. Dismissing everything as "scaremongering" isn't much of a strategy and it is not working. .
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    geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,176
    JackW said:

    geoffw said:

    JackW said:

    eek said:

    JackW said:

    UK's regional foods could lose protection after Brexit, Cameron says

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/apr/21/brexit-eu-referendum-uk-regional-food-protection-david-cameron

    No more Cornish Pasties, Melton Mowbray pork pies...

    No more Auchentennach Fine Pies !!!!!!!!!! .... :astonished:

    BREXITEERS - Don't mess with my pies .... :angry:
    Is barrel scraping regionally protected around Westminster...
    Only when the EU has you over a barrel.
    A pork barrel?
    Barrel of laughs.
    Roll it OUT.
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    watford30watford30 Posts: 3,474
    LucyJones said:

    Just got an email from David Owen asking for my donations. Vote Leave are being massively outspent by Remain apparently.

    Please give what you can. Every tenner helps.

    Have made a donation. So it was worth asking.

    I am thinking of following your example and ordering a load of leaflets to deliver locally.

    Ditto. Bunged them some cash.
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,137
    And FFS, Prince? Will somebody take the damned scythe off that man....

    Prince really strikes home. Similar age. Damn. He was still making good music too.
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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    edited April 2016
    @geoffw

    Emperors nicht Kaisers.

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    geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,176
    JackW said:

    @geoffw

    Emperors nicht Kaisers.

    Waren sie Englisch?
    Nicht zwar.
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    watford30watford30 Posts: 3,474
    edited April 2016
    OllyT said:

    watford30 said:

    OllyT said:

    Moses_ said:

    Oh FFS
    Evening standard tonight
    Barbican Chief - Brexit could damage capitals arts scene.

    Getting sick of this. Every day another "the worlds gonna end" if you do it. Remains campaign is just ridiculous now.

    It's a Democracy, people can express their opinions, what's the problem?
    And Moses is merely expressing his opinion about Remain 'scaremongering'.
    I think what Moses is really "sick of" is a constant stream of adverse comments about Brexit from a wide variety of sources. Dismissing everything as "scaremongering" isn't much of a strategy and it is not working. .
    Perhaps the suggestion that vibrant and diverse arts communities and unhindered travel for artists outside the structure of the EU cannot exist, is merely ill informed bollocks.
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    Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    JackW said:

    geoffw said:

    JackW said:

    eek said:

    JackW said:

    UK's regional foods could lose protection after Brexit, Cameron says

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/apr/21/brexit-eu-referendum-uk-regional-food-protection-david-cameron

    No more Cornish Pasties, Melton Mowbray pork pies...

    No more Auchentennach Fine Pies !!!!!!!!!! .... :astonished:

    BREXITEERS - Don't mess with my pies .... :angry:
    Is barrel scraping regionally protected around Westminster...
    Only when the EU has you over a barrel.
    A pork barrel?
    Barrel of laughs.
    BROTFL....... Barrel Roll on the Floor laughing.
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    another_richardanother_richard Posts: 25,128
    From this morning:
    DavidL said:

    Treasury forecast was £74.5bn and the BBC (in a move clearly designed to give Another Richard a heart attack and thus weaken the Leave cause) are reporting it as the first time that Osborne has missed his forecast. Ultimately I think it is very unlikely he will because £500m is a very small revisal on such large numbers.

    Big assumption that the deficit will be revised down.

    The 2014/15 deficit was initially reported as £87bn:

    http://web.ons.gov.uk/ons/dcp171778_402118.pdf

    It has subsequently been revised upwards to £92bn:

    https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/governmentpublicsectorandtaxes/publicsectorfinance/timeseries/dzls

    Likewise the 2013/14 deficit has been increased from £98bn to £103bn during the last year.

    Anyway here is the present comparison of Osborne's borrowing prediction:

    Predicted
    2010/11 £149bn
    2011/12 £116bn
    2012/13 £89bn
    2013/14 £60bn
    2014/15 £37bn
    2015/16 £20bn
    Total £471bn

    Actual
    2010/11 £137bn
    2011/12 £116bn
    2012/13 £121bn
    2013/14 £103bn
    2014/15 £92bn
    2015/16 £74bn
    Total £643bn

    An overall overborrow of £172bn.

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    Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    OllyT said:

    watford30 said:

    OllyT said:

    Moses_ said:

    Oh FFS
    Evening standard tonight
    Barbican Chief - Brexit could damage capitals arts scene.

    Getting sick of this. Every day another "the worlds gonna end" if you do it. Remains campaign is just ridiculous now.

    It's a Democracy, people can express their opinions, what's the problem?
    And Moses is merely expressing his opinion about Remain 'scaremongering'.
    I think what Moses is really "sick of" is a constant stream of adverse comments about Brexit from a wide variety of sources. Dismissing everything as "scaremongering" isn't much of a strategy and it is not working. .
    Actually what I am sick off is these wide variety of sources that don't have the cojones to stand up for themselves and seem to think that we, this great country and its people cannot possibly function in any way without the faceless, unelected and unaccountable bureaucrats in Brussels telling us what and how to do it.

    As I have constantly said I its remain, which is now likely, then we will get utterly monstered with demands from Brussels as soon as the counting is complete. You heard it here first.

    Other than that I'm a great fan. :wink:
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    Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    geoffw said:

    JackW said:

    geoffw said:

    JackW said:

    eek said:

    JackW said:

    UK's regional foods could lose protection after Brexit, Cameron says

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/apr/21/brexit-eu-referendum-uk-regional-food-protection-david-cameron

    No more Cornish Pasties, Melton Mowbray pork pies...

    No more Auchentennach Fine Pies !!!!!!!!!! .... :astonished:

    BREXITEERS - Don't mess with my pies .... :angry:
    Is barrel scraping regionally protected around Westminster...
    Only when the EU has you over a barrel.
    A pork barrel?
    Barrel of laughs.
    Roll it OUT.
    The "euro sausage" roll?
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    another_richardanother_richard Posts: 25,128
    Continuing on ONS data tomorrow will see the release of the latest tourism data:

    https://www.ons.gov.uk/releases/overseastravelandtourismmonthlyprovisionalresultsfebruary2016

    Why this receives such little media given the millions of people involved as either workers or customers and the tens of billions of expenditure baffles me.

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    geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,176
    Moses_ said:

    geoffw said:

    JackW said:

    geoffw said:

    JackW said:

    eek said:

    JackW said:

    UK's regional foods could lose protection after Brexit, Cameron says

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/apr/21/brexit-eu-referendum-uk-regional-food-protection-david-cameron

    No more Cornish Pasties, Melton Mowbray pork pies...

    No more Auchentennach Fine Pies !!!!!!!!!! .... :astonished:

    BREXITEERS - Don't mess with my pies .... :angry:
    Is barrel scraping regionally protected around Westminster...
    Only when the EU has you over a barrel.
    A pork barrel?
    Barrel of laughs.
    Roll it OUT.
    The "euro sausage" roll?
    Oi I'm talkin' about the barrel of larfs from the Bremainers.
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    IndigoIndigo Posts: 9,966
    Moses_ said:

    As I have constantly said I its remain, which is now likely, then we will get utterly monstered with demands from Brussels as soon as the counting is complete. You heard it here first.

    You heard it on today's missive from Dan Hannan.

    The Ports Directive to name but one, which is going to shaft our container ports and has carefully been held back until after the referendum.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3XWdc6P3Yo
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    Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    JackW said:

    geoffw said:

    JackW said:

    eek said:

    JackW said:

    UK's regional foods could lose protection after Brexit, Cameron says

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/apr/21/brexit-eu-referendum-uk-regional-food-protection-david-cameron

    No more Cornish Pasties, Melton Mowbray pork pies...

    No more Auchentennach Fine Pies !!!!!!!!!! .... :astonished:

    BREXITEERS - Don't mess with my pies .... :angry:
    Is barrel scraping regionally protected around Westminster...
    Only when the EU has you over a barrel.
    A pork barrel?
    Barrel of laughs.
    Jack roll ?


    (transitive) To rob or mug (a person). :lol:
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,291
    PSA Peugeot Citroen offices have been raided by anti-fraud investigators as part of ongoing investigations on pollutants in the car industry.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36106783
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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    Moses_ said:

    JackW said:

    geoffw said:

    JackW said:

    eek said:

    JackW said:

    UK's regional foods could lose protection after Brexit, Cameron says

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/apr/21/brexit-eu-referendum-uk-regional-food-protection-david-cameron

    No more Cornish Pasties, Melton Mowbray pork pies...

    No more Auchentennach Fine Pies !!!!!!!!!! .... :astonished:

    BREXITEERS - Don't mess with my pies .... :angry:
    Is barrel scraping regionally protected around Westminster...
    Only when the EU has you over a barrel.
    A pork barrel?
    Barrel of laughs.
    Jack roll ?


    (transitive) To rob or mug (a person). :lol:
    Swiss Roll - LEAVE model
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    Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    geoffw said:

    Moses_ said:

    geoffw said:

    JackW said:

    geoffw said:

    JackW said:

    eek said:

    JackW said:

    UK's regional foods could lose protection after Brexit, Cameron says

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/apr/21/brexit-eu-referendum-uk-regional-food-protection-david-cameron

    No more Cornish Pasties, Melton Mowbray pork pies...

    No more Auchentennach Fine Pies !!!!!!!!!! .... :astonished:

    BREXITEERS - Don't mess with my pies .... :angry:
    Is barrel scraping regionally protected around Westminster...
    Only when the EU has you over a barrel.
    A pork barrel?
    Barrel of laughs.
    Roll it OUT.
    The "euro sausage" roll?
    Oi I'm talkin' about the barrel of larfs from the Bremainers.
    Oops! Sorry. I digressed. " if I could roll back time..."
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    Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865

    PSA Peugeot Citroen offices have been raided by anti-fraud investigators as part of ongoing investigations on pollutants in the car industry.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36106783

    Given that no small number of companies have been caught could you sue or demand compensation based on the claim that you bought the vehicle based on its remarkable ability to protect trees and little animals and you are now suffering stress trauma because you were misled.

    Otherwise they get away with it with the customers while governments simply fill their coffers with the fines.
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    Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 25,517
    I'm suppose when you're a bit of a politico and you see Project Fear as a cumulation, it's going to look more stupid than it does to people who may only be touched by one or two pieces that affect them.
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    MP_SEMP_SE Posts: 3,642
    edited April 2016
    Indigo said:

    Moses_ said:

    As I have constantly said I its remain, which is now likely, then we will get utterly monstered with demands from Brussels as soon as the counting is complete. You heard it here first.

    You heard it on today's missive from Dan Hannan.

    The Ports Directive to name but one, which is going to shaft our container ports and has carefully been held back until after the referendum.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3XWdc6P3Yo
    After a vote to remain we will see an increase in EU budget contributions, the Port Services Directive, social welfare union, energy union aka Common External Energy Policy, EU army, etc.

    I will enjoy watching the Europhiles try to explain away the onslaught of integration that will occur and how it will be good for the UK.

    After the fiasco over the European Arrest Warrant it is clearly obvious that the Tories cannot be trusted over handing further powers to the EU.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,989

    From this morning:

    DavidL said:

    Treasury forecast was £74.5bn and the BBC (in a move clearly designed to give Another Richard a heart attack and thus weaken the Leave cause) are reporting it as the first time that Osborne has missed his forecast. Ultimately I think it is very unlikely he will because £500m is a very small revisal on such large numbers.

    Big assumption that the deficit will be revised down.

    The 2014/15 deficit was initially reported as £87bn:

    http://web.ons.gov.uk/ons/dcp171778_402118.pdf

    It has subsequently been revised upwards to £92bn:

    https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/governmentpublicsectorandtaxes/publicsectorfinance/timeseries/dzls

    Likewise the 2013/14 deficit has been increased from £98bn to £103bn during the last year.

    Anyway here is the present comparison of Osborne's borrowing prediction:

    Predicted
    2010/11 £149bn
    2011/12 £116bn
    2012/13 £89bn
    2013/14 £60bn
    2014/15 £37bn
    2015/16 £20bn
    Total £471bn

    Actual
    2010/11 £137bn
    2011/12 £116bn
    2012/13 £121bn
    2013/14 £103bn
    2014/15 £92bn
    2015/16 £74bn
    Total £643bn

    An overall overborrow of £172bn.

    Looks like he was right on target in 2011/12. So much for always missing his targets ;)
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    MP_SE said:

    Indigo said:

    Moses_ said:

    As I have constantly said I its remain, which is now likely, then we will get utterly monstered with demands from Brussels as soon as the counting is complete. You heard it here first.

    You heard it on today's missive from Dan Hannan.

    The Ports Directive to name but one, which is going to shaft our container ports and has carefully been held back until after the referendum.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3XWdc6P3Yo
    After a vote to remain we will see an increase in EU budget contributions, the Port Services Directive, social welfare union, energy union aka Common External Energy Policy, EU army, etc.

    I will enjoy watching the Europhiles try to explain away the onslaught of integration that will occur and how it will be good for the UK.

    After the fiasco over the European Arrest Warrant it is clearly obvious that the Tories cannot be trusted over handing further powers to the EU.
    They won't bother to explain away.
    It will be too late.
    We may get the odd post about our influence and seat at the table etc, but that will be about it,
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    AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 2,869
    MP_SE said:

    Indigo said:

    Moses_ said:

    As I have constantly said I its remain, which is now likely, then we will get utterly monstered with demands from Brussels as soon as the counting is complete. You heard it here first.

    You heard it on today's missive from Dan Hannan.

    The Ports Directive to name but one, which is going to shaft our container ports and has carefully been held back until after the referendum.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3XWdc6P3Yo
    After a vote to remain we will see an increase in EU budget contributions, the Port Services Directive, social welfare union, energy union aka Common External Energy Policy, EU army, etc.

    I will enjoy watching the Europhiles try to explain away the onslaught of integration that will occur and how it will be good for the UK.

    After the fiasco over the European Arrest Warrant it is clearly obvious that the Tories cannot be trusted over handing further powers to the EU.
    None of them can be. So who do we vote in as a government?
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    Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    Indigo said:

    Moses_ said:

    As I have constantly said I its remain, which is now likely, then we will get utterly monstered with demands from Brussels as soon as the counting is complete. You heard it here first.

    You heard it on today's missive from Dan Hannan.

    The Ports Directive to name but one, which is going to shaft our container ports and has carefully been held back until after the referendum.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3XWdc6P3Yo
    Hadn't seen this but thanks. I have been saying it for months and even longer. Whoever says it the fact remains "monstered" is probably the iceberg tip.
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    Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865

    MP_SE said:

    Indigo said:

    Moses_ said:

    As I have constantly said I its remain, which is now likely, then we will get utterly monstered with demands from Brussels as soon as the counting is complete. You heard it here first.

    You heard it on today's missive from Dan Hannan.

    The Ports Directive to name but one, which is going to shaft our container ports and has carefully been held back until after the referendum.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3XWdc6P3Yo
    After a vote to remain we will see an increase in EU budget contributions, the Port Services Directive, social welfare union, energy union aka Common External Energy Policy, EU army, etc.

    I will enjoy watching the Europhiles try to explain away the onslaught of integration that will occur and how it will be good for the UK.

    After the fiasco over the European Arrest Warrant it is clearly obvious that the Tories cannot be trusted over handing further powers to the EU.
    They won't bother to explain away.
    It will be too late.
    We may get the odd post about our influence and seat at the table etc, but that will be about it,
    To be fair if it's remain then keep the uk parish councillors and the top table politEuro in Brussels

    Anything else in between will be to all intents and purposes, superfluous.
    :smile:
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    LucyJonesLucyJones Posts: 651
    Moses_ said:

    Indigo said:

    Moses_ said:

    As I have constantly said I its remain, which is now likely, then we will get utterly monstered with demands from Brussels as soon as the counting is complete. You heard it here first.

    You heard it on today's missive from Dan Hannan.

    The Ports Directive to name but one, which is going to shaft our container ports and has carefully been held back until after the referendum.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3XWdc6P3Yo
    Hadn't seen this but thanks. I have been saying it for months and even longer. Whoever says it the fact remains "monstered" is probably the iceberg tip.
    I posted about this a few weeks ago. IIRC, all the UK's MEPs voted against the Directive.
    So much for having a "say" in the rules.

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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,989
    LucyJones said:

    Moses_ said:

    Indigo said:

    Moses_ said:

    As I have constantly said I its remain, which is now likely, then we will get utterly monstered with demands from Brussels as soon as the counting is complete. You heard it here first.

    You heard it on today's missive from Dan Hannan.

    The Ports Directive to name but one, which is going to shaft our container ports and has carefully been held back until after the referendum.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3XWdc6P3Yo
    Hadn't seen this but thanks. I have been saying it for months and even longer. Whoever says it the fact remains "monstered" is probably the iceberg tip.
    I posted about this a few weeks ago. IIRC, all the UK's MEPs voted against the Directive.
    So much for having a "say" in the rules.

    I guess that's how democracy works when you are part of a union with many other countries.
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    TCPoliticalBettingTCPoliticalBetting Posts: 10,819
    edited April 2016
    watford30 said:

    UK's regional foods could lose protection after Brexit, Cameron says

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/apr/21/brexit-eu-referendum-uk-regional-food-protection-david-cameron

    No more Cornish Pasties, Melton Mowbray pork pies...

    Presumably that's the same EU that tried to ban the use of unpasteurised milk in traditional cheesemaking, until the French kicked up a stink.
    Still, it's a good job the WTO has rules on protected geographical designations.
    https://www.wto.org/english/tratop_e/trips_e/gi_background_e.htm
    The sheer amount of shite that is piling up from REMAIN beggars belief. But will the working class think this justifies 3 million more immigrants?
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    Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 25,517
    This may have been posted before, but there are takeaways for both campaigns in this account of the Danish referendum: https://www.opendemocracy.net/can-europe-make-it/tam-s-ibolya/vote-of-no-confidence-explaining-danish-eu-referendum
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    Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 25,517

    MP_SE said:

    Indigo said:

    Moses_ said:

    As I have constantly said I its remain, which is now likely, then we will get utterly monstered with demands from Brussels as soon as the counting is complete. You heard it here first.

    You heard it on today's missive from Dan Hannan.

    The Ports Directive to name but one, which is going to shaft our container ports and has carefully been held back until after the referendum.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3XWdc6P3Yo
    After a vote to remain we will see an increase in EU budget contributions, the Port Services Directive, social welfare union, energy union aka Common External Energy Policy, EU army, etc.

    I will enjoy watching the Europhiles try to explain away the onslaught of integration that will occur and how it will be good for the UK.

    After the fiasco over the European Arrest Warrant it is clearly obvious that the Tories cannot be trusted over handing further powers to the EU.
    They won't bother to explain away.
    It will be too late.
    We may get the odd post about our influence and seat at the table etc, but that will be about it,
    They'll never have to explain again. That's the point. We really are in last chance saloon here. And an emphatic victory will be worse. At least a wafer thin Remain gives some pause for thought.
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    Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 30,993
    watford30 said:

    The PGI status that Cameron refers to, has actually caused the loss of jobs in the UK.

    As an example, Pork Farms were forced to shut down their pie making operations in Wiltshire before the law came into effect, with the loss of 400 jobs. For the town of Trowbridge, this was the equivalent of losing their steel industry. I don't recollect the government stepping in to help.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melton_Mowbray_Pork_Pie_Association

    I am sure the good people of Stilton will also be pleased given that they are currently banned from naming their cheese after the village it originated from due to EU rules.
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    Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    LucyJones said:

    Moses_ said:

    Indigo said:

    Moses_ said:

    As I have constantly said I its remain, which is now likely, then we will get utterly monstered with demands from Brussels as soon as the counting is complete. You heard it here first.

    You heard it on today's missive from Dan Hannan.

    The Ports Directive to name but one, which is going to shaft our container ports and has carefully been held back until after the referendum.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3XWdc6P3Yo
    Hadn't seen this but thanks. I have been saying it for months and even longer. Whoever says it the fact remains "monstered" is probably the iceberg tip.
    I posted about this a few weeks ago. IIRC, all the UK's MEPs voted against the Directive.
    So much for having a "say" in the rules.

    Agreed and this so called democratic process just isn't. The original problem was with the number of countries involved and a veto system nothing tended to get done. If it ever was it the outcome took years to achieve displeased most participants , ended up meaningless and more often than not was what the French wanted in the first place.

    So they introduce QMV to make the system easier but it's just as bad but in the opposite direction. I suspect It is the QMV that will do for us in the long run or more likely the short term because when the onslaught starts and it really will, QMV will result in such a massive schism in the dealings with Europe we leave by default anyway along with a handful of others.
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    another_richard, thanks for the scale of Osborne and Treasury depts excess borrowing over what they said they would achieve. This excess of £172bn, so far, is equivalent to the £6,000 per household that Osborne and the Treasury warned us we would get poorer exiting the EC.

    Therefore Osborne has already caused us as much of a financial hit that he said the Brexit would cause us in 2030. Except Osborne has only taken 6 years to achieve that. So why have we not had the End of Days etc with this massive loss per household of £6,000?
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    Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865

    watford30 said:

    The PGI status that Cameron refers to, has actually caused the loss of jobs in the UK.

    As an example, Pork Farms were forced to shut down their pie making operations in Wiltshire before the law came into effect, with the loss of 400 jobs. For the town of Trowbridge, this was the equivalent of losing their steel industry. I don't recollect the government stepping in to help.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melton_Mowbray_Pork_Pie_Association

    I am sure the good people of Stilton will also be pleased given that they are currently banned from naming their cheese after the village it originated from due to EU rules.
    Can't even buy a decent vacuum cleaner these days without EU meddling and by the way the EU rules for the standard sizes for car parking spaces result in a multitude of dents in my doors.

    Pah! :wink:
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    another_richard, thanks for the scale of Osborne and Treasury depts excess borrowing over what they said they would achieve. This excess of £172bn, so far, is equivalent to the £6,000 per household that Osborne and the Treasury warned us we would get poorer exiting the EC.

    Therefore Osborne has already caused us as much of a financial hit that he said the Brexit would cause us in 2030. Except Osborne has only taken 6 years to achieve that. So why have we not had the End of Days etc with this massive loss per household of £6,000?

    The £6,000 per household is a FACT and not a Treasury guesstimate supported by the LSE. The fact is Osborne and his Treasury department have failed to meet their own targets by £172bn and added £6,000 of debt to each household more than they promised.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,989
    New thread folks...
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    runnymederunnymede Posts: 2,536
    Moses_ said:

    LucyJones said:

    Moses_ said:

    Indigo said:

    Moses_ said:

    As I have constantly said I its remain, which is now likely, then we will get utterly monstered with demands from Brussels as soon as the counting is complete. You heard it here first.

    You heard it on today's missive from Dan Hannan.

    The Ports Directive to name but one, which is going to shaft our container ports and has carefully been held back until after the referendum.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3XWdc6P3Yo
    Hadn't seen this but thanks. I have been saying it for months and even longer. Whoever says it the fact remains "monstered" is probably the iceberg tip.
    I posted about this a few weeks ago. IIRC, all the UK's MEPs voted against the Directive.
    So much for having a "say" in the rules.

    Agreed and this so called democratic process just isn't. The original problem was with the number of countries involved and a veto system nothing tended to get done. If it ever was it the outcome took years to achieve displeased most participants , ended up meaningless and more often than not was what the French wanted in the first place.

    So they introduce QMV to make the system easier but it's just as bad but in the opposite direction. I suspect It is the QMV that will do for us in the long run or more likely the short term because when the onslaught starts and it really will, QMV will result in such a massive schism in the dealings with Europe we leave by default anyway along with a handful of others.
    Don't worry - Dave's got us an opt out from ever closer union. Honest.

    John Biffen understood what QMV would lead to 30 years ago. But people were too stupid to see it.
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    LucyJonesLucyJones Posts: 651
    RobD said:

    LucyJones said:

    Moses_ said:

    Indigo said:

    Moses_ said:

    As I have constantly said I its remain, which is now likely, then we will get utterly monstered with demands from Brussels as soon as the counting is complete. You heard it here first.

    You heard it on today's missive from Dan Hannan.

    The Ports Directive to name but one, which is going to shaft our container ports and has carefully been held back until after the referendum.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3XWdc6P3Yo
    Hadn't seen this but thanks. I have been saying it for months and even longer. Whoever says it the fact remains "monstered" is probably the iceberg tip.
    I posted about this a few weeks ago. IIRC, all the UK's MEPs voted against the Directive.
    So much for having a "say" in the rules.

    I guess that's how democracy works when you are part of a union with many other countries.
    Well, yes. And when those countries all have differing interests and priorities, then it is difficult, if not impossible, to settle on policies that will be beneficial to all. The size and nature of the EU means that we will increasingly see decisions made will which have an adverse impact on the UK's interests and about which we can do nothing.
    Amongst other things, tis an example of a huge "West Lothian Question": Why are landlocked countries like Austria allowed to vote to put legislation in place which will harm the UK's ports?
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,894
    edited April 2016
    Well this is a different PB! :open_mouth:
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    david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,420
    In the meantime, for Shakespeare day, some thoughts penned the other day on seeing the exhibition at the British Library:

    Entombed within a court of whispered sounds
    The evidence of genius on display
    Of beauteous language, vivid and profound
    Pre-eminent, as sun commands the day

    Now tested through the ages old and new
    As empires, wealth and power rise and fall
    But words and drama are forever true
    And character eternal, one and all

    Yet printed words can only be a start
    For action can alone bring them alive
    The script is bones awaiting actors’ heart
    The stage and screen its habitat to thrive

    A reverence undue for written page
    Betrays his Will that all the world’s a stage
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,002
    Good afternoon, everyone.
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    SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    Huzzah - well done Robert, you’ve unbroken it. :lol:
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,894
    edited April 2016
    Looks good.

    And with that I'm off to plant some potatoes in the middle of our "green and pleasant land"

    Hope that's OK with Barrack (and the Posh boys now supposedly running the country and who have never done a days work in their lives) ?
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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    PBers .... please queue to comment on PB's return to norm ....

    LEAVE posters to the back .... :smile:
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    RogerRoger Posts: 18,894
    I think fans of Farage should listen to Any Questions.
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    MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584

    new thread

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