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It's all very odd.Pulpstar said:Either Raheem Kassan is the world's fastest typing journalist/publisher, or that piece was preprepared and the toys were out the pram just waiting for EC confirmation of a betting certainty...
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/04/13/eu-referendum-westminster-establishment-vote-leave-handed-official-campaign-designation-eu-campaign/
They appear to be complaining in essence that the decision appears to have been made last night and that the EC was jumping the gun when the moment of truth was meant to be today.
I would be very surprised if the decision hadn't been taken a couple of weeks ago, to give time for it to be read and rubber stamped by the various levels of management and their lawyers. It's possible something leaked out of the EC a day or two ago, but it's hardly likely to be their fault, and the leak of something that has been decided but hasn't been announced is hard a novelty, it happens most budgets for one thing!0 -
I imagine his lawyers will tell him he'd be throwing his money away.TheScreamingEagles said:Oh dear, just piss off Arron Banks, this fucking referendum has already screwed up Mike's holiday plans, and mine as well.
https://twitter.com/benrileysmith/status/720256313683546112
Peter Bone seems quite willing to work with Vote Leave, so Banks may be on his own.0 -
Arron Banks will go up ALOT in my estimation if he gets it pushed back to OctoberTheScreamingEagles said:Oh dear, just piss off Arron Banks, this fucking referendum has already screwed up Mike's holiday plans, and mine as well.
https://twitter.com/benrileysmith/status/720256313683546112
#Pockettalking0 -
By asking the courts to grant an injunction to stop Vote Leave doing anything, thus saying by the time the courts have resolved it, there isn't enough time for a proper campaignDanny565 said:
I don't follow how, even if there is a judicial review, how that would delay the Referendum?TheScreamingEagles said:Oh dear, just piss off Arron Banks, this fucking referendum has already screwed up Mike's holiday plans, and mine as well.
https://twitter.com/benrileysmith/status/7202563136835461120 -
It the last sentence the important bit, is he trying to use this as a pretext to delay the referendum, because of events dear boy, events ?Sean_F said:
I imagine his lawyers will tell him he'd be throwing his money away.TheScreamingEagles said:
Peter Bone seems quite willing to work with Vote Leave, so Banks may be on his own.0 -
Sparrow: - Grassroots Out has put out a statement congratulating Vote Leave on winning the designation. This is from Peter Bone, a Conservative MP and Grassroots Out spokesman.
We congratulate Vote Leave on securing designation and we thank our supporters for all the hard work they have put into the campaign so far.
We draw our support from right across the political spectrum and from tens of thousands of grassroots campaigners of no particular political affiliation.
We are motivated by a deep sense of patriotism and the unflinching belief that the UK will be safer, stronger and more independent outside the EU. We will be able to control our own borders, build our prosperity by trading freely with the whole world, and restore our historic right to self government.
We look forward to working closely and productively with all those who want to see the UK set free to determine its own destiny. We are determined to play our part in creating a united front to secure victory on June 23 for Leave – Independence Day.
(Apologies if already posted.)0 -
Exclusive photo of Banks when he heard the news...
http://www.breakingbiz.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/breakingbiztoys.jpg0 -
I do hope so, I've got a bet on H2 2016.TheScreamingEagles said:
By asking the courts to grant an injunction to stop Vote Leave do anything, thus saying by the time the courts have resolved it, there isn't enough time for a proper campaignDanny565 said:
I don't follow how, even if there is a judicial review, how that would delay the Referendum?TheScreamingEagles said:Oh dear, just piss off Arron Banks, this fucking referendum has already screwed up Mike's holiday plans, and mine as well.
https://twitter.com/benrileysmith/status/7202563136835461120 -
Way too long. IIRC, the John Galt speech alone was about 70 pages. Have to admit, I sped read that part.JosiasJessop said:
A wise decision.Innocent_Abroad said:
No, I've never read it.Indigo said:
Congratulations.Innocent_Abroad said:
That book was written by a woman.Indigo said:
Atlas will Shrug.Innocent_Abroad said:If, as seems entirely possible, both REMAIN and Khan win their respective polls simply on the basis of female and non-white votes, how much longer will white males put up with representative democracy?
Do you remember what it suggested about people who no longer felt they were getting an equitable return from society ?
I think it's worth a read if you have any interest in understanding libertarianism, particularly in the US. And Greenspan was a devotee of Ayn Rand, so it provides some insights into his stewardship of the Fed.
Snippet, Rand Paul is not named after Ayn Rand, despite his father's libertarianism. He is Randal Howard Paul.0 -
That IS good news. Now all it needs is for the esteemed Nigel to concur. If he doesn't, I can see the fracture in UKIP break wide open.SimonStClare said:Sparrow: - Grassroots Out has put out a statement congratulating Vote Leave on winning the designation. This is from Peter Bone, a Conservative MP and Grassroots Out spokesman.
We congratulate Vote Leave on securing designation and we thank our supporters for all the hard work they have put into the campaign so far.
We draw our support from right across the political spectrum and from tens of thousands of grassroots campaigners of no particular political affiliation.
We are motivated by a deep sense of patriotism and the unflinching belief that the UK will be safer, stronger and more independent outside the EU. We will be able to control our own borders, build our prosperity by trading freely with the whole world, and restore our historic right to self government.
We look forward to working closely and productively with all those who want to see the UK set free to determine its own destiny. We are determined to play our part in creating a united front to secure victory on June 23 for Leave – Independence Day.
(Apologies if already posted.)0 -
And if that doesn't work? We have a vote where the leave side has not been able to campaign or get its voice out there. Banks needs to STFU and Farage needs to tell him where to go with this fucking bullshit. Grow some fucking balls Nige.TheScreamingEagles said:
By asking the courts to grant an injunction to stop Vote Leave doing anything, thus saying by the time the courts have resolved it, there isn't enough time for a proper campaignDanny565 said:
I don't follow how, even if there is a judicial review, how that would delay the Referendum?TheScreamingEagles said:Oh dear, just piss off Arron Banks, this fucking referendum has already screwed up Mike's holiday plans, and mine as well.
https://twitter.com/benrileysmith/status/7202563136835461120 -
I suspect we'll see judicial restraint being exercised here.0
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Ayn Rand was mad as a box of frogs.MTimT said:
Way too long. IIRC, the John Galt speech alone was about 70 pages. Have to admit, I sped read that part.JosiasJessop said:
A wise decision.Innocent_Abroad said:
No, I've never read it.Indigo said:
Congratulations.Innocent_Abroad said:
That book was written by a woman.Indigo said:
Atlas will Shrug.Innocent_Abroad said:If, as seems entirely possible, both REMAIN and Khan win their respective polls simply on the basis of female and non-white votes, how much longer will white males put up with representative democracy?
Do you remember what it suggested about people who no longer felt they were getting an equitable return from society ?
I think it's worth a read if you have any interest in understanding libertarianism, particularly in the US. And Greenspan was a devotee of Ayn Rand, so it provides some insights into his stewardship of the Fed.
Snippet, Rand Paul is not named after Ayn Rand, despite his father's libertarianism. He is Randal Howard Paul.0 -
So will 23 June - Independence Day - now supplant 21 April (Queen's Birthday) on the UK national holidays calendar?SimonStClare said:Sparrow: - Grassroots Out has put out a statement congratulating Vote Leave on winning the designation. This is from Peter Bone, a Conservative MP and Grassroots Out spokesman.
We congratulate Vote Leave on securing designation and we thank our supporters for all the hard work they have put into the campaign so far.
We draw our support from right across the political spectrum and from tens of thousands of grassroots campaigners of no particular political affiliation.
We are motivated by a deep sense of patriotism and the unflinching belief that the UK will be safer, stronger and more independent outside the EU. We will be able to control our own borders, build our prosperity by trading freely with the whole world, and restore our historic right to self government.
We look forward to working closely and productively with all those who want to see the UK set free to determine its own destiny. We are determined to play our part in creating a united front to secure victory on June 23 for Leave – Independence Day.
(Apologies if already posted.)0 -
Elements of Project Titter hoping to delay the referendum until October is no laughing matter .... it's absolutely rib ticklingly hilarious.0
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It's terribly turgid I will agree.JosiasJessop said:
A wise decision.Innocent_Abroad said:
No, I've never read it.Indigo said:
Congratulations.Innocent_Abroad said:
That book was written by a woman.Indigo said:
Atlas will Shrug.Innocent_Abroad said:If, as seems entirely possible, both REMAIN and Khan win their respective polls simply on the basis of female and non-white votes, how much longer will white males put up with representative democracy?
Do you remember what it suggested about people who no longer felt they were getting an equitable return from society ?
The short version is what would happen if the rich and powerful took their ball and went home, if they decided that they were getting so much grief from the politicians and media that it really wasn't worth the hassle, so they closed their business and went and enjoyed their money.0 -
in Delhi airport newsagents 2 years ago: Ayn RAnd books 10. Orwell 0.JosiasJessop said:
A wise decision.Innocent_Abroad said:
No, I've never read it.Indigo said:
Congratulations.Innocent_Abroad said:
That book was written by a woman.Indigo said:
Atlas will Shrug.Innocent_Abroad said:If, as seems entirely possible, both REMAIN and Khan win their respective polls simply on the basis of female and non-white votes, how much longer will white males put up with representative democracy?
Do you remember what it suggested about people who no longer felt they were getting an equitable return from society ?
not convinced this is a good thing (no, never read them either. There are too many good books out there waiting)0 -
As we discussed a few weeks ago, given Farage's epic failures to become an MP, why would he want to give up his MEP's salary and attendant allowances?MaxPB said:
And if that doesn't work? We have a vote where the leave side has not been able to campaign or get its voice out there. Banks needs to STFU and Farage needs to tell him where to go with this fucking bullshit. Grow some fucking balls Nige.TheScreamingEagles said:
By asking the courts to grant an injunction to stop Vote Leave doing anything, thus saying by the time the courts have resolved it, there isn't enough time for a proper campaignDanny565 said:
I don't follow how, even if there is a judicial review, how that would delay the Referendum?TheScreamingEagles said:Oh dear, just piss off Arron Banks, this fucking referendum has already screwed up Mike's holiday plans, and mine as well.
https://twitter.com/benrileysmith/status/7202563136835461120 -
Off-topic:
It may have passed unmentioned on here, but the HS2 bill passed its third reading, with 399 MPs voting for and only 42 against. If it passes through the Lords then construction will start next year.
In news from the north, Trans-Pennine Express is going to be getting 140-MPH capable (*) trains, which should have 161 extra seats per train. They will be similar to the new bi-mode (electric and diesel) Hitachi trains ordered for the Great Western line.
(*) 125 MPH initially, depending on line speed. Ahem.0 -
@ScottyNational: Facts :Angus Robertson denies that he gets his facts from Twitter memes but has confirmed that Grumpy Cat is his research assistant0
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There was bleating on Twitter last night from him, guessing the news today rather than as expected tomorrow is why.Indigo said:
It's all very odd.Pulpstar said:Either Raheem Kassan is the world's fastest typing journalist/publisher, or that piece was preprepared and the toys were out the pram just waiting for EC confirmation of a betting certainty...
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/04/13/eu-referendum-westminster-establishment-vote-leave-handed-official-campaign-designation-eu-campaign/
They appear to be complaining in essence that the decision appears to have been made last night and that the EC was jumping the gun when the moment of truth was meant to be today.
I would be very surprised if the decision hadn't been taken a couple of weeks ago, to give time for it to be read and rubber stamped by the various levels of management and their lawyers. It's possible something leaked out of the EC a day or two ago, but it's hardly likely to be their fault, and the leak of something that has been decided but hasn't been announced is hard a novelty, it happens most budgets for one thing!0 -
Indeed. It does not mean that she was without influence, though.Sean_F said:
Ayn Rand was mad as a box of frogs.MTimT said:
Way too long. IIRC, the John Galt speech alone was about 70 pages. Have to admit, I sped read that part.JosiasJessop said:
A wise decision.Innocent_Abroad said:
No, I've never read it.Indigo said:
Congratulations.Innocent_Abroad said:
That book was written by a woman.Indigo said:
Atlas will Shrug.Innocent_Abroad said:If, as seems entirely possible, both REMAIN and Khan win their respective polls simply on the basis of female and non-white votes, how much longer will white males put up with representative democracy?
Do you remember what it suggested about people who no longer felt they were getting an equitable return from society ?
I think it's worth a read if you have any interest in understanding libertarianism, particularly in the US. And Greenspan was a devotee of Ayn Rand, so it provides some insights into his stewardship of the Fed.
Snippet, Rand Paul is not named after Ayn Rand, despite his father's libertarianism. He is Randal Howard Paul.0 -
@Politics_co_uk: Angus Robertson’s #PMQs question was based on a Twitter meme that was discredited two years ago. https://t.co/zA5Kg9CYHa0
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The bollocks twitter infographics strike again...I bet that has been on "Dr" Eion's timeline multiple times...Scott_P said:@Politics_co_uk: Angus Robertson’s #PMQs question was based on a Twitter meme that was discredited two years ago. https://t.co/zA5Kg9CYHa
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No, Ayn Rand wasn't mad in seeing a sort of bliss in Selfishness; just too rigid in her beliefs.Sean_F said:
Ayn Rand was mad as a box of frogs.MTimT said:
Way too long. IIRC, the John Galt speech alone was about 70 pages. Have to admit, I sped read that part.JosiasJessop said:
A wise decision.Innocent_Abroad said:
No, I've never read it.Indigo said:
Congratulations.Innocent_Abroad said:
That book was written by a woman.Indigo said:
Atlas will Shrug.Innocent_Abroad said:If, as seems entirely possible, both REMAIN and Khan win their respective polls simply on the basis of female and non-white votes, how much longer will white males put up with representative democracy?
Do you remember what it suggested about people who no longer felt they were getting an equitable return from society ?
I think it's worth a read if you have any interest in understanding libertarianism, particularly in the US. And Greenspan was a devotee of Ayn Rand, so it provides some insights into his stewardship of the Fed.
Snippet, Rand Paul is not named after Ayn Rand, despite his father's libertarianism. He is Randal Howard Paul.0 -
Very dignified.SimonStClare said:
Sparrow: - Grassroots Out has put out a statement congratulating Vote Leave on winning the designation. This is from Peter Bone, a Conservative MP and Grassroots Out spokesman.
We congratulate Vote Leave on securing designation and we thank our supporters for all the hard work they have put into the campaign so far.
We draw our support from right across the political spectrum and from tens of thousands of grassroots campaigners of no particular political affiliation.
We are motivated by a deep sense of patriotism and the unflinching belief that the UK will be safer, stronger and more independent outside the EU. We will be able to control our own borders, build our prosperity by trading freely with the whole world, and restore our historic right to self government.
We look forward to working closely and productively with all those who want to see the UK set free to determine its own destiny. We are determined to play our part in creating a united front to secure victory on June 23 for Leave – Independence Day.
(Apologies if already posted.)0 -
Either way, it's very entertaining watching the nutters cage fight.Pulpstar said:
Can he afford (in financial terms) to not go with Arron Banks ?AlastairMeeks said:Nigel Farage has a big moment now. If his voice is not raised against Vote Leave, any challenge will evaporate. If he decides to fight, he will carry a large part of UKIP with him outside the tent.
The decision, while expected, is awful news for him. Come what may, UKIP are not going to own the Leave campaign now.
Can he afford (in political terms) to go with Arron Banks ?0 -
Or, conversely, what happens when economies are planned centrally by corrupt, cronyist, unelected officials. EU, anyone?Indigo said:
It's terribly turgid I will agree.JosiasJessop said:
A wise decision.Innocent_Abroad said:
No, I've never read it.Indigo said:
Congratulations.Innocent_Abroad said:
That book was written by a woman.Indigo said:
Atlas will Shrug.Innocent_Abroad said:If, as seems entirely possible, both REMAIN and Khan win their respective polls simply on the basis of female and non-white votes, how much longer will white males put up with representative democracy?
Do you remember what it suggested about people who no longer felt they were getting an equitable return from society ?
The short version is what would happen if the rich and powerful took their ball and went home, if they decided that they were getting so much grief from the politicians and media that it really wasn't worth the hassle, so they closed their business and went and enjoyed their money.0 -
Yes, well Farage and Banks are the biggest threats to a leave vote right now.TheScreamingEagles said:
As we discussed a few weeks ago, given Farage's epic failures to become an MP, why would he want to give up his MEP's salary and attendant allowances?MaxPB said:
And if that doesn't work? We have a vote where the leave side has not been able to campaign or get its voice out there. Banks needs to STFU and Farage needs to tell him where to go with this fucking bullshit. Grow some fucking balls Nige.TheScreamingEagles said:
By asking the courts to grant an injunction to stop Vote Leave doing anything, thus saying by the time the courts have resolved it, there isn't enough time for a proper campaignDanny565 said:
I don't follow how, even if there is a judicial review, how that would delay the Referendum?TheScreamingEagles said:Oh dear, just piss off Arron Banks, this fucking referendum has already screwed up Mike's holiday plans, and mine as well.
https://twitter.com/benrileysmith/status/7202563136835461120 -
@StephenDFisher: My 2nd EUref forecast:
Chances of winning: 73% Remain
Vote share: 54% Remain, 46% Leave
Margin of error ±13 pts https://t.co/naGGYrlApZ0 -
http://the-toast.net/2016/02/11/ayn-rand-once-cursed-a-guys-dick-so-bad-he-moved-across-the-country/MikeK said:
No, Ayn Rand wasn't mad in seeing a sort of bliss in Selfishness; just too rigid in her beliefs.Sean_F said:
Ayn Rand was mad as a box of frogs.MTimT said:
Way too long. IIRC, the John Galt speech alone was about 70 pages. Have to admit, I sped read that part.JosiasJessop said:
A wise decision.Innocent_Abroad said:
No, I've never read it.Indigo said:
Congratulations.Innocent_Abroad said:
That book was written by a woman.Indigo said:
Atlas will Shrug.Innocent_Abroad said:If, as seems entirely possible, both REMAIN and Khan win their respective polls simply on the basis of female and non-white votes, how much longer will white males put up with representative democracy?
Do you remember what it suggested about people who no longer felt they were getting an equitable return from society ?
I think it's worth a read if you have any interest in understanding libertarianism, particularly in the US. And Greenspan was a devotee of Ayn Rand, so it provides some insights into his stewardship of the Fed.
Snippet, Rand Paul is not named after Ayn Rand, despite his father's libertarianism. He is Randal Howard Paul.0 -
No, she really was as mad as a box of frogs.MikeK said:
No, Ayn Rand wasn't mad in seeing a sort of bliss in Selfishness; just too rigid in her beliefs.Sean_F said:
Ayn Rand was mad as a box of frogs.MTimT said:
Way too long. IIRC, the John Galt speech alone was about 70 pages. Have to admit, I sped read that part.JosiasJessop said:
A wise decision.Innocent_Abroad said:
No, I've never read it.Indigo said:
Congratulations.Innocent_Abroad said:
That book was written by a woman.Indigo said:
Atlas will Shrug.Innocent_Abroad said:If, as seems entirely possible, both REMAIN and Khan win their respective polls simply on the basis of female and non-white votes, how much longer will white males put up with representative democracy?
Do you remember what it suggested about people who no longer felt they were getting an equitable return from society ?
I think it's worth a read if you have any interest in understanding libertarianism, particularly in the US. And Greenspan was a devotee of Ayn Rand, so it provides some insights into his stewardship of the Fed.
Snippet, Rand Paul is not named after Ayn Rand, despite his father's libertarianism. He is Randal Howard Paul.
And I speak as someone who enjoyed both The Fountainhead, and Atlas Shrugged.
Little know fact: the Howard Roark character from The Fountainhead was based on a meeting Ayn Rand had with a young Nick Clegg.0 -
Errr... I think that's stretching it.MTimT said:
Or, conversely, what happens when economies are planned centrally by corrupt, cronyist, unelected officials. EU, anyone?Indigo said:
It's terribly turgid I will agree.JosiasJessop said:
A wise decision.Innocent_Abroad said:
No, I've never read it.Indigo said:
Congratulations.Innocent_Abroad said:
That book was written by a woman.Indigo said:
Atlas will Shrug.Innocent_Abroad said:If, as seems entirely possible, both REMAIN and Khan win their respective polls simply on the basis of female and non-white votes, how much longer will white males put up with representative democracy?
Do you remember what it suggested about people who no longer felt they were getting an equitable return from society ?
The short version is what would happen if the rich and powerful took their ball and went home, if they decided that they were getting so much grief from the politicians and media that it really wasn't worth the hassle, so they closed their business and went and enjoyed their money.0 -
That is hilarious. (In a sad and deranged way.)Sean_F said:
http://the-toast.net/2016/02/11/ayn-rand-once-cursed-a-guys-dick-so-bad-he-moved-across-the-country/MikeK said:
No, Ayn Rand wasn't mad in seeing a sort of bliss in Selfishness; just too rigid in her beliefs.Sean_F said:
Ayn Rand was mad as a box of frogs.MTimT said:
Way too long. IIRC, the John Galt speech alone was about 70 pages. Have to admit, I sped read that part.JosiasJessop said:
A wise decision.Innocent_Abroad said:
No, I've never read it.Indigo said:
Congratulations.Innocent_Abroad said:
That book was written by a woman.Indigo said:
Atlas will Shrug.Innocent_Abroad said:If, as seems entirely possible, both REMAIN and Khan win their respective polls simply on the basis of female and non-white votes, how much longer will white males put up with representative democracy?
Do you remember what it suggested about people who no longer felt they were getting an equitable return from society ?
I think it's worth a read if you have any interest in understanding libertarianism, particularly in the US. And Greenspan was a devotee of Ayn Rand, so it provides some insights into his stewardship of the Fed.
Snippet, Rand Paul is not named after Ayn Rand, despite his father's libertarianism. He is Randal Howard Paul.0 -
Dave really is lucky in his choice of opponents.
Gordon Brown, Ed Miliband and now Arron Banks/Nigel Farage0 -
The EU bit, yes. The first sentence, no.rcs1000 said:
Errr... I think that's stretching it.MTimT said:
Or, conversely, what happens when economies are planned centrally by corrupt, cronyist, unelected officials. EU, anyone?Indigo said:
It's terribly turgid I will agree.JosiasJessop said:
A wise decision.Innocent_Abroad said:
No, I've never read it.Indigo said:
Congratulations.Innocent_Abroad said:
That book was written by a woman.Indigo said:
Atlas will Shrug.Innocent_Abroad said:If, as seems entirely possible, both REMAIN and Khan win their respective polls simply on the basis of female and non-white votes, how much longer will white males put up with representative democracy?
Do you remember what it suggested about people who no longer felt they were getting an equitable return from society ?
The short version is what would happen if the rich and powerful took their ball and went home, if they decided that they were getting so much grief from the politicians and media that it really wasn't worth the hassle, so they closed their business and went and enjoyed their money.0 -
Not a relation of yours, I hope?Sean_F said:
http://the-toast.net/2016/02/11/ayn-rand-once-cursed-a-guys-dick-so-bad-he-moved-across-the-country/MikeK said:
No, Ayn Rand wasn't mad in seeing a sort of bliss in Selfishness; just too rigid in her beliefs.Sean_F said:
Ayn Rand was mad as a box of frogs.MTimT said:
Way too long. IIRC, the John Galt speech alone was about 70 pages. Have to admit, I sped read that part.JosiasJessop said:
A wise decision.Innocent_Abroad said:
No, I've never read it.Indigo said:
Congratulations.Innocent_Abroad said:
That book was written by a woman.Indigo said:
Atlas will Shrug.Innocent_Abroad said:If, as seems entirely possible, both REMAIN and Khan win their respective polls simply on the basis of female and non-white votes, how much longer will white males put up with representative democracy?
Do you remember what it suggested about people who no longer felt they were getting an equitable return from society ?
I think it's worth a read if you have any interest in understanding libertarianism, particularly in the US. And Greenspan was a devotee of Ayn Rand, so it provides some insights into his stewardship of the Fed.
Snippet, Rand Paul is not named after Ayn Rand, despite his father's libertarianism. He is Randal Howard Paul.0 -
MTimT said:
The EU bit, yes. The first sentence, no.rcs1000 said:
Errr... I think that's stretching it.MTimT said:
Or, conversely, what happens when economies are planned centrally by corrupt, cronyist, unelected officials. EU, anyone?Indigo said:
It's terribly turgid I will agree.JosiasJessop said:
A wise decision.Innocent_Abroad said:
No, I've never read it.Indigo said:
Congratulations.Innocent_Abroad said:
That book was written by a woman.Indigo said:
Atlas will Shrug.Innocent_Abroad said:If, as seems entirely possible, both REMAIN and Khan win their respective polls simply on the basis of female and non-white votes, how much longer will white males put up with representative democracy?
Do you remember what it suggested about people who no longer felt they were getting an equitable return from society ?
The short version is what would happen if the rich and powerful took their ball and went home, if they decided that they were getting so much grief from the politicians and media that it really wasn't worth the hassle, so they closed their business and went and enjoyed their money.
Have you read The Road to Serfdom? I ask, because (a) it's a great book, and (b) it doesn't say what people think it says.0 -
rcs1000 said:
No, she really was as mad as a box of frogs.MikeK said:
No, Ayn Rand wasn't mad in seeing a sort of bliss in Selfishness; just too rigid in her beliefs.Sean_F said:
Ayn Rand was mad as a box of frogs.MTimT said:
Way too long. IIRC, the John Galt speech alone was about 70 pages. Have to admit, I sped read that part.JosiasJessop said:
A wise decision.Innocent_Abroad said:
No, I've never read it.Indigo said:
Congratulations.Innocent_Abroad said:
That book was written by a woman.Indigo said:
Atlas will Shrug.Innocent_Abroad said:If, as seems entirely possible, both REMAIN and Khan win their respective polls simply on the basis of female and non-white votes, how much longer will white males put up with representative democracy?
Do you remember what it suggested about people who no longer felt they were getting an equitable return from society ?
I think it's worth a read if you have any interest in understanding libertarianism, particularly in the US. And Greenspan was a devotee of Ayn Rand, so it provides some insights into his stewardship of the Fed.
Snippet, Rand Paul is not named after Ayn Rand, despite his father's libertarianism. He is Randal Howard Paul.
And I speak as someone who enjoyed both The Fountainhead, and Atlas Shrugged.
Little know fact: the Howard Roark character from The Fountainhead was based on a meeting Ayn Rand had with a young Nick Clegg. I tried a re-read of Atlas Shrugged a few months ago and had to stop on page 33. Funny what a span of 50 years will do. 0 -
Has Farage offered a response yet?0
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MoE +/- 13 pts ..Scott_P said:@StephenDFisher: My 2nd EUref forecast:
Chances of winning: 73% Remain
Vote share: 54% Remain, 46% Leave
Margin of error ±13 pts https://t.co/naGGYrlApZ
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@Nigel_Farage: I congratulate @vote_leave on getting designation.0
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deletedMorris_Dancer said:Has Farage offered a response yet?
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Not too rigid to enjoy the benisons of state welfare in her later years of course.MikeK said:
No, Ayn Rand wasn't mad in seeing a sort of bliss in Selfishness; just too rigid in her beliefs.Sean_F said:
Ayn Rand was mad as a box of frogs.MTimT said:
Way too long. IIRC, the John Galt speech alone was about 70 pages. Have to admit, I sped read that part.JosiasJessop said:
A wise decision.Innocent_Abroad said:
No, I've never read it.Indigo said:
Congratulations.Innocent_Abroad said:
That book was written by a woman.Indigo said:
Atlas will Shrug.Innocent_Abroad said:If, as seems entirely possible, both REMAIN and Khan win their respective polls simply on the basis of female and non-white votes, how much longer will white males put up with representative democracy?
Do you remember what it suggested about people who no longer felt they were getting an equitable return from society ?
I think it's worth a read if you have any interest in understanding libertarianism, particularly in the US. And Greenspan was a devotee of Ayn Rand, so it provides some insights into his stewardship of the Fed.
Snippet, Rand Paul is not named after Ayn Rand, despite his father's libertarianism. He is Randal Howard Paul.0 -
Nope. Perhaps I should.rcs1000 said:MTimT said:
The EU bit, yes. The first sentence, no.rcs1000 said:
Errr... I think that's stretching it.MTimT said:
Or, conversely, what happens when economies are planned centrally by corrupt, cronyist, unelected officials. EU, anyone?Indigo said:
It's terribly turgid I will agree.JosiasJessop said:
A wise decision.Innocent_Abroad said:
No, I've never read it.Indigo said:
Congratulations.Innocent_Abroad said:
That book was written by a woman.Indigo said:
Atlas will Shrug.Innocent_Abroad said:If, as seems entirely possible, both REMAIN and Khan win their respective polls simply on the basis of female and non-white votes, how much longer will white males put up with representative democracy?
Do you remember what it suggested about people who no longer felt they were getting an equitable return from society ?
The short version is what would happen if the rich and powerful took their ball and went home, if they decided that they were getting so much grief from the politicians and media that it really wasn't worth the hassle, so they closed their business and went and enjoyed their money.
Have you read The Road to Serfdom? I ask, because (a) it's a great book, and (b) it doesn't say what people think it says.0 -
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Just this second.Morris_Dancer said:Has Farage offered a response yet?
Can never be sure with Farage but it doesn't sound like a designation challenge to me.0 -
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https://twitter.com/Nigel_Farage/status/720262160601853952
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You should read it for the good of your Hayek.MTimT said:
Nope. Perhaps I should.rcs1000 said:MTimT said:
The EU bit, yes. The first sentence, no.rcs1000 said:
Errr... I think that's stretching it.MTimT said:
Or, conversely, what happens when economies are planned centrally by corrupt, cronyist, unelected officials. EU, anyone?Indigo said:
It's terribly turgid I will agree.JosiasJessop said:
A wise decision.Innocent_Abroad said:
No, I've never read it.Indigo said:
Congratulations.Innocent_Abroad said:
That book was written by a woman.Indigo said:
Atlas will Shrug.Innocent_Abroad said:If, as seems entirely possible, both REMAIN and Khan win their respective polls simply on the basis of female and non-white votes, how much longer will white males put up with representative democracy?
Do you remember what it suggested about people who no longer felt they were getting an equitable return from society ?
The short version is what would happen if the rich and powerful took their ball and went home, if they decided that they were getting so much grief from the politicians and media that it really wasn't worth the hassle, so they closed their business and went and enjoyed their money.
Have you read The Road to Serfdom? I ask, because (a) it's a great book, and (b) it doesn't say what people think it says.0 -
hard to say............!!!!Morris_Dancer said:Has Farage offered a response yet?
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Now he has to write that second sentence, saying he will join them.SimonStClare said:https://twitter.com/Nigel_Farage/status/720262160601853952
Well done, my estimation of Farage has gone up a tad.0 -
So, not unlike Rik from The Young Ones, it seems Banks is alone in his views.0
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he might untweet it laterMikeK said:
Now he has to write that second sentence, saying he will join them.SimonStClare said:https://twitter.com/Nigel_Farage/status/720262160601853952
Well done, my estimation of Farage has gone up a tad.0 -
What superb news, Nigel has secured the Ukip vote (90%+ aren't interested in the various groups), Hannan and Hoey are both excellent.
What price Dan Hannan next conservative leader?
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Unless that second sentence says "For now."?MikeK said:
Now he has to write that second sentence, saying he will join them.SimonStClare said:https://twitter.com/Nigel_Farage/status/720262160601853952
Well done, my estimation of Farage has gone up a tad.0 -
Only one family member?TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Better than an artificially low MoE which fails to consider the fact that support might change between now and the referendum.JackW said:
MoE +/- 13 pts ..Scott_P said:@StephenDFisher: My 2nd EUref forecast:
Chances of winning: 73% Remain
Vote share: 54% Remain, 46% Leave
Margin of error ±13 pts https://t.co/naGGYrlApZ0 -
Port finished, luncheon venue vacated, sensible tweet sent....re-enter boozer...Plato_Says said:0 -
Some on here are misjudging Farage, he has campaigned for this for 20 years, if we Leave on 23/6 he can ride off into the sunset and name his price, if not his life's work will be scarred by failure. He'll do nothing to jeopardise that.
Either way I'd say he won't be Ukip leader much beyond the referendum.0 -
Well in terms of direct blood relations, there's the Duke of Windsor.Theuniondivvie said:
Only one family member?TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
https://twitter.com/Nigel_Farage/status/720262160601853952
And I look forward to seeing and chatting to Dan Hannan. In court.0 -
Djokovic loses to Vesely 6:4 2:6 6:4 in Monte Carlo.0
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I'm assuming a typo here and he meant cast otherwise we might be going down the route of those vile foreigners, the Indians.
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Any big bets from Russia on the game?JackW said:Djokovic loses to Vesely 6:4 2:6 6:4 in Monte Carlo.
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And about as much use as a Farage resignation statement.TheWhiteRabbit said:
Better than an artificially low MoE which fails to consider the fact that support might change between now and the referendum.JackW said:
MoE +/- 13 pts ..Scott_P said:@StephenDFisher: My 2nd EUref forecast:
Chances of winning: 73% Remain
Vote share: 54% Remain, 46% Leave
Margin of error ±13 pts https://t.co/naGGYrlApZ0 -
Out and Proud is a fabulous name for a LBG Brexit group.Danny565 said:0 -
Meanwhile the morning service from Newark to Lincoln consists of a single carriage which is so overcrowded that the crew regularly have to refuse to let any more people on. It has been like this for several years and at peak times has over 80 people standing. The Operator says that they cannot do anything about it because all their carriages are in use.JosiasJessop said:Off-topic:
It may have passed unmentioned on here, but the HS2 bill passed its third reading, with 399 MPs voting for and only 42 against. If it passes through the Lords then construction will start next year.
In news from the north, Trans-Pennine Express is going to be getting 140-MPH capable (*) trains, which should have 161 extra seats per train. They will be similar to the new bi-mode (electric and diesel) Hitachi trains ordered for the Great Western line.
(*) 125 MPH initially, depending on line speed. Ahem.
Interesting fact, according to East Midlands Trains, unlike buses there is no legal limit as to how many people can be carried in a train carriage.0 -
I see Sunil's managed to get his own campaign in the list.Danny565 said:
Although I didn't realise he was that young..0 -
Arron Banks is certainly an untouchable.TheScreamingEagles said:I'm assuming a typo here and he meant cast otherwise we might be going down the route of those vile foreigners, the Indians.
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Here the full statement from Nigel Farage on the decision.
"I congratulate Vote Leave on getting designation.
The decision of Ukip to back Grassroots Out was on the basis that they saw the importance of the immigration issue in this referendum, and that we wanted to reach out across the country at a grassroots level and work with everyone from the left, centre and right of British politics to get our country out of the EU. I believe this approach is the only way the Leave side can win this referendum.
It is clear that Vote Leave now share my view on this approach, for instance the issue of EU open borders is now a prominent part of their campaign messaging.
Regardless of whichever campaign got the designation, Ukip would always have played a big role in this campaign as the only national party committed to leaving the EU and with a substantial £4m spending limit.
I have always wanted all on the Leave side to come together and have done my best to try and make this happen. I’ll continue to do so in the run up to the referendum to ensure the Leave side wins.
We in Ukip, as I’ve said from the start, will work with anyone that wants to leave the EU. We must work together to get our country out of the European Union."
This is where Farage and I have always been at odds, he believes immigration should be the be all, and end all of the Leave campaign, he is wrong, it is but one part in a much greater picture imho.0 -
I think that those wanting to vote remain should read 1984
The shape of things to come
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Depends on the distribution.JackW said:
And about as much use as a Farage resignation statement.TheWhiteRabbit said:
Better than an artificially low MoE which fails to consider the fact that support might change between now and the referendum.JackW said:
MoE +/- 13 pts ..Scott_P said:@StephenDFisher: My 2nd EUref forecast:
Chances of winning: 73% Remain
Vote share: 54% Remain, 46% Leave
Margin of error ±13 pts https://t.co/naGGYrlApZ0 -
Just reading Arron Banks can not apply for a judicial review, as Leave.EU never applied for Lead designation. Grassroots out did.Casino_Royale said:
Arron Banks is certainly an untouchable.TheScreamingEagles said:I'm assuming a typo here and he meant cast otherwise we might be going down the route of those vile foreigners, the Indians.
https://twitter.com/benrileysmith/status/7202653263158927360 -
There's been some great niche campaigning by the disparate groups - it's broadened the whole message base.
I follow several on Twitter and its rather good to see the same broad objectives shared. Especially on trade.Danny565 said:ttps://twitter.com/SamCoatesTimes/status/720258395366899712
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Then leavers should read Revelations - the shape of things to come.Blue_rog said:I think that those wanting to vote remain should read 1984
The shape of things to come
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Wall Street now struggling at just the 2,845 points above 15,000....
FTSE tumbling to 6,300+.
Scrapberg news.0 -
Chairman ROFLMAOTheScreamingEagles said:
Just reading Arron Banks can not apply for a judicial review, as Leave.EU never applied for Lead designation. Grassroots out did.Casino_Royale said:
Arron Banks is certainly an untouchable.TheScreamingEagles said:I'm assuming a typo here and he meant cast otherwise we might be going down the route of those vile foreigners, the Indians.
https://twitter.com/benrileysmith/status/7202653263158927360 -
Farage's local boozer might be a tad parochial.TheWhiteRabbit said:
Depends on the distribution.JackW said:
And about as much use as a Farage resignation statement.TheWhiteRabbit said:
Better than an artificially low MoE which fails to consider the fact that support might change between now and the referendum.JackW said:
MoE +/- 13 pts ..Scott_P said:@StephenDFisher: My 2nd EUref forecast:
Chances of winning: 73% Remain
Vote share: 54% Remain, 46% Leave
Margin of error ±13 pts https://t.co/naGGYrlApZ0 -
Those animal spirits?Casino_Royale said:
You should read it for the good of your Hayek.MTimT said:
Nope. Perhaps I should.rcs1000 said:MTimT said:
The EU bit, yes. The first sentence, no.rcs1000 said:
Errr... I think that's stretching it.MTimT said:
Or, conversely, what happens when economies are planned centrally by corrupt, cronyist, unelected officials. EU, anyone?Indigo said:
It's terribly turgid I will agree.JosiasJessop said:
A wise decision.Innocent_Abroad said:
No, I've never read it.Indigo said:
Congratulations.Innocent_Abroad said:
That book was written by a woman.Indigo said:
Atlas will Shrug.Innocent_Abroad said:If, as seems entirely possible, both REMAIN and Khan win their respective polls simply on the basis of female and non-white votes, how much longer will white males put up with representative democracy?
Do you remember what it suggested about people who no longer felt they were getting an equitable return from society ?
The short version is what would happen if the rich and powerful took their ball and went home, if they decided that they were getting so much grief from the politicians and media that it really wasn't worth the hassle, so they closed their business and went and enjoyed their money.
Have you read The Road to Serfdom? I ask, because (a) it's a great book, and (b) it doesn't say what people think it says.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0nERTFo-Sk0 -
The Time Ted Cruz Defended a Ban on Dildos
His legal team argued there was no right "to stimulate one's genitals."
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/04/ted-cruz-dildo-ban-sex-devices-texas
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He doesn't see it as the be all and end all, he sees it as an important factor, as he states clearly.SimonStClare said:Here the full statement from Nigel Farage on the decision.
"I congratulate Vote Leave on getting designation.
The decision of Ukip to back Grassroots Out was on the basis that they saw the importance of the immigration issue in this referendum, and that we wanted to reach out across the country at a grassroots level and work with everyone from the left, centre and right of British politics to get our country out of the EU. I believe this approach is the only way the Leave side can win this referendum.
It is clear that Vote Leave now share my view on this approach, for instance the issue of EU open borders is now a prominent part of their campaign messaging.
Regardless of whichever campaign got the designation, Ukip would always have played a big role in this campaign as the only national party committed to leaving the EU and with a substantial £4m spending limit.
I have always wanted all on the Leave side to come together and have done my best to try and make this happen. I’ll continue to do so in the run up to the referendum to ensure the Leave side wins.
We in Ukip, as I’ve said from the start, will work with anyone that wants to leave the EU. We must work together to get our country out of the European Union."
This is where Farage and I have always been at odds, he believes immigration should be the be all, and end all of the Leave campaign, he is wrong, it is but one part in a much greater picture imho.0 -
I'm sorry that's not correct. Hunchman assured us all that we would be in the middle of a sovereign debt crisis right now, and stocks would be pretty much worthless.Scrapheap_as_was said:Wall Street now struggling at just the 2,845 points above 15,000....
FTSE tumbling to 6,300+.
Scrapberg news.0 -
Vote Leave should now try and spend (constructively) as much money as humanly possible tomorrow, and then reraise it.
Another £7m shouldn't be a problem now.0 -
I'm covering for Mike K - he's the bear news, I'm the one full of bull.rcs1000 said:
I'm sorry that's not correct. Hunchman assured us all that we would be in the middle of a sovereign debt crisis right now, and stocks would be pretty much worthless.Scrapheap_as_was said:Wall Street now struggling at just the 2,845 points above 15,000....
FTSE tumbling to 6,300+.
Scrapberg news.0 -
Interestingly, the decision appears to have been quite close:
http://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0004/200857/designation-summary-of-assessment-scores-for-leave-outcome.pdf0 -
Statement from The Sunil on Sunday:
Totally and utterly gutted, but not really surprised, that The Sunil on Sunday's "Be Leave" hasn't been chosen as the official LEAVE Campaign. But remember our positive message:
Believe in BRITAIN!
Be LEAVE!0 -
Good analysis
As for Rusbridger's Guardian, in an age of low interest rates and costly internet economics, that Guardian is either a thing of the past or on a suicide mission.
http://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/article/guardian-editor-alan-rusbridger-rupert-murdoch0 -
Suddenly, I'm pining for the time when John Whittingdale and the Dominatrix was the main image etched in my mind...TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
And they say Trump is bonkers...TheScreamingEagles said:The Time Ted Cruz Defended a Ban on Dildos
His legal team argued there was no right "to stimulate one's genitals."
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/04/ted-cruz-dildo-ban-sex-devices-texas
https://twitter.com/clmazin/status/720259227067920385
The guy who was Ted Cruz room mate....the man who brought us
Scary Movie 3
Scary Movie 4
The Hangover Part II
The Hangover Part III
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Craig_Mazin
I don't know which of these two guys has the more embarrassing history ;-)0 -
Mr. Royale, so was the Second Punic War.-1
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I'm being even handed. I did a thread on Trump's todger, only fair I start to cover Cruz's dangly bits too.Danny565 said:
Suddenly, I'm pining for the time when John Whittingdale and the Dominatrix was the main image etched in my mind...TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
I think what you should remember that EACH group registered can spend £700,000 and if they receive large donations from e.g. Midland Businessmen, then they can spend it how they chose. UKIP can spend £4 million, although that is dwarfed by how much the other main parties can spend (Lib Lab Con) BSE and VL can spend £7 million and the Government (well anyone) can spend as much as they like before the spending rules come in.david_herdson said:
Unless that second sentence says "For now."?MikeK said:
Now he has to write that second sentence, saying he will join them.SimonStClare said:https://twitter.com/Nigel_Farage/status/720262160601853952
Well done, my estimation of Farage has gone up a tad.
If GO merged with VL then the potential money available to the LEAVE campaign drops substantially (at least the means to spend it effectively).0 -
A few great aunties also.TheScreamingEagles said:
Well in terms of direct blood relations, there's the Duke of Windsor.Theuniondivvie said:
Only one family member?TheScreamingEagles said:
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