This seems a very easy fix - you have special arrangements to facilitate work permits for doctors and nurses and other professions/skills we need. If we are no longer bound by EU rules, we make the rules that work for us. What is difficult about that?
If, as seems entirely possible, both REMAIN and Khan win their respective polls simply on the basis of female and non-white votes, how much longer will white males put up with representative democracy?
If, as seems entirely possible, both REMAIN and Khan win their respective polls simply on the basis of female and non-white votes, how much longer will white males put up with representative democracy?
In this new world, white males will do what their wives tell them.
(I think Mr Palmer has an anecdote about this wrt canvassing)
If, as seems entirely possible, both REMAIN and Khan win their respective polls simply on the basis of female and non-white votes, how much longer will white males put up with representative democracy?
From the US test bed, look out for the British Trump.
Granny might hate the EU but is she really going to vote to leave it if it means sabotaging her grandkids' future?
"Please don't vote leave" + sad face, coming from one of her beloved grandkids is likely to be the thing she remembers when walking into the voting booth, rather than any of the official campaign arguments.
Yes, because voting Leave doesn't mean sabotaging her grandkids future.
She might well point out to her grandkids that greater global trade links, controlling migration to reduce housing pressures and increased wages might all benefit them greatly.
Before telling them to f**k off and let her watch Countdown in peace one hopes.
I like the "I know I usually can't be arsed to call you.." intro line, but here's why you should listen to me now approach.
The whole thing is so cringeingly patronising. 'I'm right Gran, because I know all about Europe and stuff' (says the twat living on a student loan and the bank of Mum and Dad to someone who's bought homes, paid taxes all their life, and probably follows news and current affairs more closely too. A friendly pat on the hand and 'that's nice dear' is the kindest response.
I've always thought that pitching Leave as a vote to "save British public services" (by recouping the money we "send to Brussels" to put into services, stopping services getting privatised by secret trade deals, and stopping services getting overwhelmed by immigrants) is the main weapon Leave have to get working-class Labour voters on side. Not this abstract rubbish about "sovereignty" and the supremacy of Magna Carta as a principle in itself.
I favour multiple approaches. Among middle class Conservatives, and 'Kippers, arguments based on sovereignty resonate. But, they won't resonate among all voters.
The heterogeneous nature of Leave is actually turning out to be a real strength, in my view.
There is plenty of mileage to be had in focussing on the cost of living problem generated by unbridled demand for housing resulting from several hundred thousand extra people pitching up every year.
It affects young professionals, students , aspirational home buyers.
At the moment landlords and sellers have the whip hand in much the same way that 'exploitative' employers do.
It is particularly detrimental to those in London and in university towns.
I've always thought that pitching Leave as a vote to "save British public services" (by recouping the money we "send to Brussels" to put into services, stopping services getting privatised by secret trade deals, and stopping services getting "overwhelmed by immigrants") is the main weapon Leave have to get working-class Labour voters on side. Not this abstract rubbish about "sovereignty" and the supremacy of Magna Carta as a principle in itself.
Which is why Leave needs to pitch to both camps properly. I think Danny is right about the Remain campaign re-running the 2015 election which is why most of the talking points don't hit home with the Labour voters I know. Staying in the EU so companies can make more money isn't motivating Labour voters to turn out to Leave, but the problem is that Remain can't trumpet the stuff that Labour voters like (ECHR, employee rights, climate change guff etc...) without pushing a whole bunch of Tory voters into the Leave camp.
"one of the newspapers said to have had the information, the Sunday People, took counsel from a prominent Hacked Off supporter, who told them that to publish would amount to an invasion of privacy.
A senior executive who was working at the paper at the time said that his advice played a large part in the paper’s decision not to publish."
Granny might hate the EU but is she really going to vote to leave it if it means sabotaging her grandkids' future?
"Please don't vote leave" + sad face, coming from one of her beloved grandkids is likely to be the thing she remembers when walking into the voting booth, rather than any of the official campaign arguments.
Yes, because voting Leave doesn't mean sabotaging her grandkids future.
She might well point out to her grandkids that greater global trade links, controlling migration to reduce housing pressures and increased wages might all benefit them greatly.
Before telling them to f**k off and let her watch Countdown in peace one hopes.
I like the "I know I usually can't be arsed to call you.." intro line, but here's why you should listen to me now approach.
The whole thing is so cringeingly patronising. 'I'm right Gran, because I know all about Europe and stuff' (says the twat living on a student loan and the bank of Mum and Dad to someone who's bought homes, paid taxes all their life, and probably follows news and current affairs more closely too. A friendly pat on the hand and 'that's nice dear' is the kindest response.
Yeah, trying to win over people who are better-informed politically than you are is going to be an uphill struggle.
I'd have thought it's just as likely that Gran will win her grandchild over to Leave as the reverse.
Yup.
My kids were rather surprised when I told them I was voting Leave. They'd automatically assumed given the time I've spent overseas that I'd vote Remain, I explained that it's precisely becasue I've spent so much time working in Europe that I want out.
I'd have thought it's just as likely that Gran will win her grandchild over to Leave as the reverse.
Have you ever tried to get a youngster to change her mind about anything?
It depend on the quality of the relationship and the mutual respect they have for one another.
Some greatly admire the wisdom and experience of their grandparents and see them as role models, others find them old-fashioned and are a bit embarrassed by their views.
Wow. That's an incredible difference from what Robertson claimed. Surely it's so egregious that Robertson should either provide evidence or apologise for misleading parliament?
(runs from the SNP supporters).
The 300 tax evasion staff figure comes from the number working in the Affluent Compliance Unit
Granny might hate the EU but is she really going to vote to leave it if it means sabotaging her grandkids' future?
"Please don't vote leave" + sad face, coming from one of her beloved grandkids is likely to be the thing she remembers when walking into the voting booth, rather than any of the official campaign arguments.
Yes, because voting Leave doesn't mean sabotaging her grandkids future.
She might well point out to her grandkids that greater global trade links, controlling migration to reduce housing pressures and increased wages might all benefit them greatly.
Before telling them to f**k off and let her watch Countdown in peace one hopes.
I like the "I know I usually can't be arsed to call you.." intro line, but here's why you should listen to me now approach.
The whole thing is so cringeingly patronising. 'I'm right Gran, because I know all about Europe and stuff' (says the twat living on a student loan and the bank of Mum and Dad to someone who's bought homes, paid taxes all their life, and probably follows news and current affairs more closely too. A friendly pat on the hand and 'that's nice dear' is the kindest response.
Yeah, trying to win over people who are better-informed politically than you are is going to be an uphill struggle.
That might be slightly patronising to young people. Many older people aren't very well informed politically; after all, many voted for Foot and Kinnock.
I'd have thought it's just as likely that Gran will win her grandchild over to Leave as the reverse.
Have you ever tried to get a youngster to change her mind about anything?
Easy, just embarrass them in front of their friends, after the first couple of times when they realise you'll carry out the threat they soon fall in to line.
Wow. That's an incredible difference from what Robertson claimed. Surely it's so egregious that Robertson should either provide evidence or apologise for misleading parliament?
(runs from the SNP supporters).
The 300 tax evasion staff figure comes from the number working in the Affluent Compliance Unit
If, as seems entirely possible, both REMAIN and Khan win their respective polls simply on the basis of female and non-white votes, how much longer will white males put up with representative democracy?
Granny might hate the EU but is she really going to vote to leave it if it means sabotaging her grandkids' future?
"Please don't vote leave" + sad face, coming from one of her beloved grandkids is likely to be the thing she remembers when walking into the voting booth, rather than any of the official campaign arguments.
Yes, because voting Leave doesn't mean sabotaging her grandkids future.
She might well point out to her grandkids that greater global trade links, controlling migration to reduce housing pressures and increased wages might all benefit them greatly.
Before telling them to f**k off and let her watch Countdown in peace one hopes.
I like the "I know I usually can't be arsed to call you.." intro line, but here's why you should listen to me now approach.
The whole thing is so cringeingly patronising. 'I'm right Gran, because I know all about Europe and stuff' (says the twat living on a student loan and the bank of Mum and Dad to someone who's bought homes, paid taxes all their life, and probably follows news and current affairs more closely too. A friendly pat on the hand and 'that's nice dear' is the kindest response.
Yeah, trying to win over people who are better-informed politically than you are is going to be an uphill struggle.
If, as seems entirely possible, both REMAIN and Khan win their respective polls simply on the basis of female and non-white votes, how much longer will white males put up with representative democracy?
If, as seems entirely possible, both REMAIN and Khan win their respective polls simply on the basis of female and non-white votes, how much longer will white males put up with representative democracy?
Atlas will Shrug.
That book was written by a woman.
You are completely obsessed with identity politics.
If, as seems entirely possible, both REMAIN and Khan win their respective polls simply on the basis of female and non-white votes, how much longer will white males put up with representative democracy?
Atlas will Shrug.
That book was written by a woman.
Congratulations.
Do you remember what it suggested about people who no longer felt they were getting an equitable return from society ?
Press statement from Electoral Commission saying Vote Leave will lead Leave campaign.
“We received two high quality applications on the ‘Leave’ side, from ‘Vote Leave Ltd’ and ‘The Go Movement Ltd’. After careful consideration, the Commission decided that ‘Vote Leave Ltd’ better demonstrated that it has the structures in place to ensure the views of other campaigners are represented in the delivery of its campaign. It therefore represents, to a greater extent than ‘Go Movement Ltd’, those campaigning for the ‘Leave’ outcome, which is the test we must apply.”
@ShippersUnbound: The Electoral Commission will announce the lead out campaign for the referendum in 5 minutes
Ooh. Tasty.
And Aaron Banks will throw his toys out of the pram in six minutes.
My impression is that Grassroots Out are doing a good deal of work on the ground now. Provided they're now willing to work with Vote Leave, this could turn out very well.
Congratulations to Vote Leave for winning the Leave designation - now let's get behind the campaign and bring home our democracy.
It looks like key UKIP figures are trying to make sure that the facts on the ground will make a challenge impractical.
So far we've heard from those on the sane side of the UKIP fence, nothing from Farage or Banks. Both must be fuming that their motley crew didn't get the designation, who would have thought that inviting Galloway on stage wouldn't help win official status.
Gutted for the Trade Unionist and Socialist Coalition, what an awesome leave campaign they'd have run.
It feels like the students have just beaten the children to the designation, hoping against hope that this decision might get both sides of the campaign out of the gutter, and force the various Leave factions to agree on their priorities and direction.
If, as seems entirely possible, both REMAIN and Khan win their respective polls simply on the basis of female and non-white votes, how much longer will white males put up with representative democracy?
Atlas will Shrug.
That book was written by a woman.
Congratulations.
Do you remember what it suggested about people who no longer felt they were getting an equitable return from society ?
Will they get told to piss off at the door of the court ?
if there is more than one applicant for an outcome, the Commission shall designate whichever of the applicants appears to the Commission to represent to the greatest extent those campaigning for that outcome.
"appears to the commission" so the PPERA delegates the power of choice to the EC.
Aron's attempt to up end this decision is just beyond childish - he thought he'd bought UKIP, and the campaign. I'd be amazed if more than a tiny minority will be more loyal to him than their cause by this carpetbagger.
Wow. That's an incredible difference from what Robertson claimed. Surely it's so egregious that Robertson should either provide evidence or apologise for misleading parliament?
(runs from the SNP supporters).
The 300 tax evasion staff figure comes from the number working in the Affluent Compliance Unit
Nigel Farage has a big moment now. If his voice is not raised against Vote Leave, any challenge will evaporate. If he decides to fight, he will carry a large part of UKIP with him outside the tent.
The decision, while expected, is awful news for him. Come what may, UKIP are not going to own the Leave campaign now.
Either Raheem Kassan is the world's fastest typing journalist/publisher, or that piece was preprepared and the toys were out the pram just waiting for EC confirmation of a betting certainty...
My son in his twenties won't be sending me a postcard as he is the Vote Leave organiser for his area. I in my fifties will be voting to remain.
Have you disinherited him yet?
He is putting in the hard yards each weekend organising and running street stalls while I tell him he is wasting his precious time and won't win.
They better not win now then or he will gloat forever.
Well that's something I will just have to take. However if as I expect it goes a bit pear shaped after a Leave vote the boot might eventually end up on the other foot.
Incidentally he did mention to me the two Out factions get on very well on the ground and even have run joint stalls in some places. The problem is Farage and Banks.
Nigel Farage has a big moment now. If his voice is not raised against Vote Leave, any challenge will evaporate. If he decides to fight, he will carry a large part of UKIP with him outside the tent.
The decision, while expected, is awful news for him. Come what may, UKIP are not going to own the Leave campaign now.
Can he afford (in financial terms) to not go with Arron Banks ?
Can he afford (in political terms) to go with Arron Banks ?
If, as seems entirely possible, both REMAIN and Khan win their respective polls simply on the basis of female and non-white votes, how much longer will white males put up with representative democracy?
Atlas will Shrug.
That book was written by a woman.
Congratulations.
Do you remember what it suggested about people who no longer felt they were getting an equitable return from society ?
Nigel Farage has a big moment now. If his voice is not raised against Vote Leave, any challenge will evaporate. If he decides to fight, he will carry a large part of UKIP with him outside the tent.
The decision, while expected, is awful news for him. Come what may, UKIP are not going to own the Leave campaign now.
Farage being sidelined is fantastic news for those wanting to leave the EU.
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https://www.uscis.gov/ilink/docView/SLB/HTML/SLB/0-0-0-1/0-0-0-11261/0-0-0-17197/0-0-0-18003.html
This seems a very easy fix - you have special arrangements to facilitate work permits for doctors and nurses and other professions/skills we need. If we are no longer bound by EU rules, we make the rules that work for us. What is difficult about that?
(I think Mr Palmer has an anecdote about this wrt canvassing)
The heterogeneous nature of Leave is actually turning out to be a real strength, in my view.
It affects young professionals, students , aspirational home buyers.
At the moment landlords and sellers have the whip hand in much the same way that 'exploitative' employers do.
It is particularly detrimental to those in London and in university towns.
The hoots of laughter and booing at PMQs when Cameron claimed Leave were scaremongering was most amusing.
A senior executive who was working at the paper at the time said that his advice played a large part in the paper’s decision not to publish."
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/media-blog/2016/apr/13/whittingdale-sex-worker-culture-secretary-minister?CMP=twt_gu
Awkward...not sure why the press should take counsel from a prominent member of a pressure group though. That isn't a free press either.
I don't want the likes of Steve Coogan or Evan Harris decided what is or isn't printed anymore than John Wittingdale.
My kids were rather surprised when I told them I was voting Leave. They'd automatically assumed given the time I've spent overseas that I'd vote Remain, I explained that it's precisely becasue I've spent so much time working in Europe that I want out.
Some greatly admire the wisdom and experience of their grandparents and see them as role models, others find them old-fashioned and are a bit embarrassed by their views.
Almost all love them.
And Aaron Banks will throw his toys out of the pram in six minutes.
EDIT: "Entirely Bogus" in fact
Breaking: Vote Leave designated official Brexit campaign.
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@election_data Vote leave. NAP.
Now for the reaction from the other camps ...
Congratulations to Vote Leave for winning the Leave designation - now let's get behind the campaign and bring home our democracy.
It looks like key UKIP figures are trying to make sure that the facts on the ground will make a challenge impractical.
Do you remember what it suggested about people who no longer felt they were getting an equitable return from society ?
(For avoidance of doubt, to vote Remain!)
And my wife wouldn't be influenced by a cuppa and a Battenberg. Glass of wine maybe.
Not sure Cameron is such a lucky general any more...
“We received two high quality applications on the ‘Leave’ side, from ‘Vote Leave Ltd’ and ‘The Go Movement Ltd’. After careful consideration, the Commission decided that ‘Vote Leave Ltd’ better demonstrated that it has the structures in place to ensure the views of other campaigners are represented in the delivery of its campaign. It therefore represents, to a greater extent than ‘Go Movement Ltd’, those campaigning for the ‘Leave’ outcome, which is the test we must apply.”
@BreitbartLondon · 1m1 minute ago
EXCLUSIVE: Leave.EU Will Bring ‘Judicial Review’ Against Electoral Commission http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/04/13/eu-referendum-westminster-establishment-vote-leave-handed-official-campaign-designation-eu-campaign/ …
He used words like blackmail and conspiracy non stop without a shred of evidence.
Basically, you can tell he was educated at The University of Oxford.
It feels like the students have just beaten the children to the designation, hoping against hope that this decision might get both sides of the campaign out of the gutter, and force the various Leave factions to agree on their priorities and direction.
Trump 41 .. Cruz 29 .. Kasich 24
Clinton 58 .. Sanders 36
Clinton 58 .. Trump 27
Clinton 55 .. Kasich 38
Clinton 55 .. Cruz 31
Sanders 65 .. Trump 26
Sanders 55 .. Kasich 36
Sanders 63 .. Cruz 28
http://media.nbcwashington.com/documents/NBC4_Marist+Poll_Maryland_+Presidential_Annotated+Questionnaire_April+2016.pdf
Dear Lord.
IANAL, but I'd have thought the chances of a successful judicial review in this case would be approximately zero.
Whichever one, the "Leave campaign" in general would do well to push her more to the forefront IMO.
The decision, while expected, is awful news for him. Come what may, UKIP are not going to own the Leave campaign now.
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/04/13/eu-referendum-westminster-establishment-vote-leave-handed-official-campaign-designation-eu-campaign/
I'm hoping this is a less of a Remain/Leave thing and something we can all agree on.
I would have thought that the most they could hope for was for the EC to reconsider some fact or other they may have missed (seems unlikely).
IMHO The losers need to support the official campaign, or to walk away with their dignity intact. If they fight this they will look stupid.
Incidentally he did mention to me the two Out factions get on very well on the ground
and even have run joint stalls in some places. The problem is Farage and Banks.
Can he afford (in political terms) to go with Arron Banks ?
https://twitter.com/benrileysmith/status/720256313683546112