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Why? The US has specific sections in its Code of Federal Regulations to facilitate visas for those working in industries with skills shortages. See 8CFR 214.2(h):MaxPB said:Might cause staffing issues though.
https://www.uscis.gov/ilink/docView/SLB/HTML/SLB/0-0-0-1/0-0-0-11261/0-0-0-17197/0-0-0-18003.html
This seems a very easy fix - you have special arrangements to facilitate work permits for doctors and nurses and other professions/skills we need. If we are no longer bound by EU rules, we make the rules that work for us. What is difficult about that?0 -
If, as seems entirely possible, both REMAIN and Khan win their respective polls simply on the basis of female and non-white votes, how much longer will white males put up with representative democracy?0
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'Talk to gran' reminds me of the brilliant Catherine Tate character.
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Said more concisely than I managedLuckyguy1983 said:
I don't see how. Need nurses, nurses want to come, nurses allowed in.MaxPB said:
Well it will reduce health tourism for sure. Might cause staffing issues though.Danny565 said:Stephen Bush @stephenkb 2h2 hours ago
The idea that Brexit will help the NHS is starting to do real damage to In, campaigners believe.
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In this new world, white males will do what their wives tell them.Innocent_Abroad said:If, as seems entirely possible, both REMAIN and Khan win their respective polls simply on the basis of female and non-white votes, how much longer will white males put up with representative democracy?
(I think Mr Palmer has an anecdote about this wrt canvassing)0 -
From the US test bed, look out for the British Trump.Innocent_Abroad said:If, as seems entirely possible, both REMAIN and Khan win their respective polls simply on the basis of female and non-white votes, how much longer will white males put up with representative democracy?
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The whole thing is so cringeingly patronising. 'I'm right Gran, because I know all about Europe and stuff' (says the twat living on a student loan and the bank of Mum and Dad to someone who's bought homes, paid taxes all their life, and probably follows news and current affairs more closely too. A friendly pat on the hand and 'that's nice dear' is the kindest response.Casino_Royale said:
I like the "I know I usually can't be arsed to call you.." intro line, but here's why you should listen to me now approach.Luckyguy1983 said:
Before telling them to f**k off and let her watch Countdown in peace one hopes.Casino_Royale said:
Yes, because voting Leave doesn't mean sabotaging her grandkids future.Pong said:
Granny might hate the EU but is she really going to vote to leave it if it means sabotaging her grandkids' future?SimonStClare said:“Talk to Gran”
Not a good idea, granny hates the EU
"Please don't vote leave" + sad face, coming from one of her beloved grandkids is likely to be the thing she remembers when walking into the voting booth, rather than any of the official campaign arguments.
She might well point out to her grandkids that greater global trade links, controlling migration to reduce housing pressures and increased wages might all benefit them greatly.0 -
I favour multiple approaches. Among middle class Conservatives, and 'Kippers, arguments based on sovereignty resonate. But, they won't resonate among all voters.Danny565 said:I've always thought that pitching Leave as a vote to "save British public services" (by recouping the money we "send to Brussels" to put into services, stopping services getting privatised by secret trade deals, and stopping services getting overwhelmed by immigrants) is the main weapon Leave have to get working-class Labour voters on side. Not this abstract rubbish about "sovereignty" and the supremacy of Magna Carta as a principle in itself.
The heterogeneous nature of Leave is actually turning out to be a real strength, in my view.0 -
There is plenty of mileage to be had in focussing on the cost of living problem generated by unbridled demand for housing resulting from several hundred thousand extra people pitching up every year.
It affects young professionals, students , aspirational home buyers.
At the moment landlords and sellers have the whip hand in much the same way that 'exploitative' employers do.
It is particularly detrimental to those in London and in university towns.0 -
Hence the absurd Chicken Licken strategy, rather than positive messaging.
The hoots of laughter and booing at PMQs when Cameron claimed Leave were scaremongering was most amusing.MaxPB said:
Which is why Leave needs to pitch to both camps properly. I think Danny is right about the Remain campaign re-running the 2015 election which is why most of the talking points don't hit home with the Labour voters I know. Staying in the EU so companies can make more money isn't motivating Labour voters to turn out to Leave, but the problem is that Remain can't trumpet the stuff that Labour voters like (ECHR, employee rights, climate change guff etc...) without pushing a whole bunch of Tory voters into the Leave camp.Plato_Says said:What tickles Labour voters isn't the same as Tories or ex Tory Kippers - that's much more focused on our national identity and sovereignty.
Danny565 said:I've always thought that pitching Leave as a vote to "save British public services" (by recouping the money we "send to Brussels" to put into services, stopping services getting privatised by secret trade deals, and stopping services getting "overwhelmed by immigrants") is the main weapon Leave have to get working-class Labour voters on side. Not this abstract rubbish about "sovereignty" and the supremacy of Magna Carta as a principle in itself.
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Well quite, HMG is lobbied now for curry chefs FFSLuckyguy1983 said:
I don't see how. Need nurses, nurses want to come, nurses allowed in.MaxPB said:
Well it will reduce health tourism for sure. Might cause staffing issues though.Danny565 said:Stephen Bush @stephenkb 2h2 hours ago
The idea that Brexit will help the NHS is starting to do real damage to In, campaigners believe.0 -
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"one of the newspapers said to have had the information, the Sunday People, took counsel from a prominent Hacked Off supporter, who told them that to publish would amount to an invasion of privacy.
A senior executive who was working at the paper at the time said that his advice played a large part in the paper’s decision not to publish."
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/media-blog/2016/apr/13/whittingdale-sex-worker-culture-secretary-minister?CMP=twt_gu
Awkward...not sure why the press should take counsel from a prominent member of a pressure group though. That isn't a free press either.
I don't want the likes of Steve Coogan or Evan Harris decided what is or isn't printed anymore than John Wittingdale.0 -
Yours had evidentiary support though.MTimT said:
Said more concisely than I managedLuckyguy1983 said:
I don't see how. Need nurses, nurses want to come, nurses allowed in.MaxPB said:
Well it will reduce health tourism for sure. Might cause staffing issues though.Danny565 said:Stephen Bush @stephenkb 2h2 hours ago
The idea that Brexit will help the NHS is starting to do real damage to In, campaigners believe.0 -
Yeah, trying to win over people who are better-informed politically than you are is going to be an uphill struggle.Luckyguy1983 said:
The whole thing is so cringeingly patronising. 'I'm right Gran, because I know all about Europe and stuff' (says the twat living on a student loan and the bank of Mum and Dad to someone who's bought homes, paid taxes all their life, and probably follows news and current affairs more closely too. A friendly pat on the hand and 'that's nice dear' is the kindest response.Casino_Royale said:
I like the "I know I usually can't be arsed to call you.." intro line, but here's why you should listen to me now approach.Luckyguy1983 said:
Before telling them to f**k off and let her watch Countdown in peace one hopes.Casino_Royale said:
Yes, because voting Leave doesn't mean sabotaging her grandkids future.Pong said:
Granny might hate the EU but is she really going to vote to leave it if it means sabotaging her grandkids' future?SimonStClare said:“Talk to Gran”
Not a good idea, granny hates the EU
"Please don't vote leave" + sad face, coming from one of her beloved grandkids is likely to be the thing she remembers when walking into the voting booth, rather than any of the official campaign arguments.
She might well point out to her grandkids that greater global trade links, controlling migration to reduce housing pressures and increased wages might all benefit them greatly.0 -
Yup.Sean_F said:
I'd have thought it's just as likely that Gran will win her grandchild over to Leave as the reverse.Danny565 said:LOL at the "Talk to Gran".
My kids were rather surprised when I told them I was voting Leave. They'd automatically assumed given the time I've spent overseas that I'd vote Remain, I explained that it's precisely becasue I've spent so much time working in Europe that I want out.0 -
He is a natural for the party of Clegg and Farron isn't heTheScreamingEagles said:I'm not a violent man but watching Evan Harris makes me want to hit him around the face with a rolled up Range Rover
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It depend on the quality of the relationship and the mutual respect they have for one another.Richard_Nabavi said:
Some greatly admire the wisdom and experience of their grandparents and see them as role models, others find them old-fashioned and are a bit embarrassed by their views.
Almost all love them.0 -
@ShippersUnbound: The Electoral Commission will announce the lead out campaign for the referendum in 5 minutes0
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Dave with his customary eye for detail seemed entirely coldcocked by it.Pulpstar said:Alistair said:Looking at https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/210244/9549-TSO-HMRC_RA_ACCESSIBLE.pdf they state that 26,000 people work in the HMRC Enforcement and Compliance unit but don't break down how many of those people are inspectors and how many are tea makers.
Come on Alistair, even you can surely admit Angus has pulled a bit of a fast one thereJosiasJessop said:
But is that what he said, and is it relevant?Alistair said:
The 300 tax evasion staff figure comes from the number working in the Affluent Compliance UnitJosiasJessop said:
Thanks.Alistair said:
http://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2016/04/13/pmqs-factcheck-does-the-dwp-employ-ten-times-as-many-fraud-iJosiasJessop said:
Was that the right link? I get something unrelated.Scott_P said:@IanDunt: PMQs Factcheck: Does the DWP employ ten times as many fraud inspectors as HMRC? SPOILER: Fuck no https://t.co/PwoJRQabEC
Wow. That's an incredible difference from what Robertson claimed. Surely it's so egregious that Robertson should either provide evidence or apologise for misleading parliament?
(runs from the SNP supporters).
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/hmrc-s-affluent-unit-recruits-100-new-inspectors0 -
That might be slightly patronising to young people. Many older people aren't very well informed politically; after all, many voted for Foot and Kinnock.Sean_F said:
Yeah, trying to win over people who are better-informed politically than you are is going to be an uphill struggle.Luckyguy1983 said:
The whole thing is so cringeingly patronising. 'I'm right Gran, because I know all about Europe and stuff' (says the twat living on a student loan and the bank of Mum and Dad to someone who's bought homes, paid taxes all their life, and probably follows news and current affairs more closely too. A friendly pat on the hand and 'that's nice dear' is the kindest response.Casino_Royale said:
I like the "I know I usually can't be arsed to call you.." intro line, but here's why you should listen to me now approach.Luckyguy1983 said:
Before telling them to f**k off and let her watch Countdown in peace one hopes.Casino_Royale said:
Yes, because voting Leave doesn't mean sabotaging her grandkids future.Pong said:
Granny might hate the EU but is she really going to vote to leave it if it means sabotaging her grandkids' future?SimonStClare said:“Talk to Gran”
Not a good idea, granny hates the EU
"Please don't vote leave" + sad face, coming from one of her beloved grandkids is likely to be the thing she remembers when walking into the voting booth, rather than any of the official campaign arguments.
She might well point out to her grandkids that greater global trade links, controlling migration to reduce housing pressures and increased wages might all benefit them greatly. 0 -
Easy, just embarrass them in front of their friends, after the first couple of times when they realise you'll carry out the threat they soon fall in to line.Richard_Nabavi said:
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Vote Leave. NAP.0
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Frequently. Usually planting the idea, letting the rant happen, then leaving well alone for a suitable germination period works well.Richard_Nabavi said:0 -
To be fair, you don't expect the questions to be so inaccurate they could be based on a lie.Theuniondivvie said:
Dave with his customary eye for detail seemed entirely coldcocked by it.Pulpstar said:Alistair said:Looking at https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/210244/9549-TSO-HMRC_RA_ACCESSIBLE.pdf they state that 26,000 people work in the HMRC Enforcement and Compliance unit but don't break down how many of those people are inspectors and how many are tea makers.
Come on Alistair, even you can surely admit Angus has pulled a bit of a fast one thereJosiasJessop said:
But is that what he said, and is it relevant?Alistair said:
The 300 tax evasion staff figure comes from the number working in the Affluent Compliance UnitJosiasJessop said:
Thanks.Alistair said:
http://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2016/04/13/pmqs-factcheck-does-the-dwp-employ-ten-times-as-many-fraud-iJosiasJessop said:
Was that the right link? I get something unrelated.Scott_P said:@IanDunt: PMQs Factcheck: Does the DWP employ ten times as many fraud inspectors as HMRC? SPOILER: Fuck no https://t.co/PwoJRQabEC
Wow. That's an incredible difference from what Robertson claimed. Surely it's so egregious that Robertson should either provide evidence or apologise for misleading parliament?
(runs from the SNP supporters).
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/hmrc-s-affluent-unit-recruits-100-new-inspectors0 -
Ooh. Tasty.Scott_P said:@ShippersUnbound: The Electoral Commission will announce the lead out campaign for the referendum in 5 minutes
And Aaron Banks will throw his toys out of the pram in six minutes.0 -
He described the number as bogus, which even you must admit is trueTheuniondivvie said:Dave with his customary eye for detail seemed entirely coldcocked by it.
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Atlas will Shrug.Innocent_Abroad said:If, as seems entirely possible, both REMAIN and Khan win their respective polls simply on the basis of female and non-white votes, how much longer will white males put up with representative democracy?
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"You'd better register to vote first, dear."Sean_F said:
Yeah, trying to win over people who are better-informed politically than you are is going to be an uphill struggle.Luckyguy1983 said:
The whole thing is so cringeingly patronising. 'I'm right Gran, because I know all about Europe and stuff' (says the twat living on a student loan and the bank of Mum and Dad to someone who's bought homes, paid taxes all their life, and probably follows news and current affairs more closely too. A friendly pat on the hand and 'that's nice dear' is the kindest response.Casino_Royale said:
I like the "I know I usually can't be arsed to call you.." intro line, but here's why you should listen to me now approach.Luckyguy1983 said:
Before telling them to f**k off and let her watch Countdown in peace one hopes.Casino_Royale said:
Yes, because voting Leave doesn't mean sabotaging her grandkids future.Pong said:
Granny might hate the EU but is she really going to vote to leave it if it means sabotaging her grandkids' future?SimonStClare said:“Talk to Gran”
Not a good idea, granny hates the EU
"Please don't vote leave" + sad face, coming from one of her beloved grandkids is likely to be the thing she remembers when walking into the voting booth, rather than any of the official campaign arguments.
She might well point out to her grandkids that greater global trade links, controlling migration to reduce housing pressures and increased wages might all benefit them greatly.0 -
@tnewtondunn: Breaking: Vote Leave designated official Brexit campaign.0
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Tom Newton Dunn Verified account @tnewtondunn 39s40 seconds ago
Breaking: Vote Leave designated official Brexit campaign.
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Pulpstar @Pulpstar 41s42 seconds ago
@election_data Vote leave. NAP.
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Vote Leave.0
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Aston Villa have cancelled this season's player of the year awards with the club facing relegation.0
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What has he done? I am decidedly not a fan and was very pleased when Nicola Blackwood beat him in OWAB.TheScreamingEagles said:I'm not a violent man but watching Evan Harris makes me want to hit him around the face with a rolled up Range Rover
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is that farage or carswell?Casino_Royale said:Vote Leave.
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Win. Now waiting for Arron Banks to respond with a threat of legal action.0
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That book was written by a woman.Indigo said:
Atlas will Shrug.Innocent_Abroad said:If, as seems entirely possible, both REMAIN and Khan win their respective polls simply on the basis of female and non-white votes, how much longer will white males put up with representative democracy?
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Blast, can’t believe George Galloway failed to swing it in Grassroots favour…!0
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Carswelldugarbandier said:
is that farage or carswell?Casino_Royale said:Vote Leave.
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Makes a leave win more likely IMO.Casino_Royale said:Vote Leave.
Now for the reaction from the other camps ...0 -
3...2...1...Before Farage makes a complaint....0
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Even better news that UKIP aren't going to contest it.Plato_Says said:0 -
Thank ChristPlato_Says said:0 -
@oflynnmep · 2m2 minutes ago
Congratulations to Vote Leave for winning the Leave designation - now let's get behind the campaign and bring home our democracy.
It looks like key UKIP figures are trying to make sure that the facts on the ground will make a challenge impractical.0 -
You are completely obsessed with identity politics.Innocent_Abroad said:
That book was written by a woman.Indigo said:
Atlas will Shrug.Innocent_Abroad said:If, as seems entirely possible, both REMAIN and Khan win their respective polls simply on the basis of female and non-white votes, how much longer will white males put up with representative democracy?
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Congratulations.Innocent_Abroad said:
That book was written by a woman.Indigo said:
Atlas will Shrug.Innocent_Abroad said:If, as seems entirely possible, both REMAIN and Khan win their respective polls simply on the basis of female and non-white votes, how much longer will white males put up with representative democracy?
Do you remember what it suggested about people who no longer felt they were getting an equitable return from society ?0 -
Can I have one to persuade my grandchildren to vote.
(For avoidance of doubt, to vote Remain!)
And my wife wouldn't be influenced by a cuppa and a Battenberg. Glass of wine maybe.
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Agreed.JosiasJessop said:
Makes a leave win more likely IMO.Casino_Royale said:Vote Leave.
Now for the reaction from the other camps ...
Not sure Cameron is such a lucky general any more...0 -
I thought Grassroot out and Vote Leave are merged now ? Wil Leave.EU contest this result?SimonStClare said:Blast, can’t believe George Galloway failed to swing it in Grassroots favour…!
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He is putting in the hard yards each weekend organising and running street stalls while I tell him he is wasting his precious time and won't win.rcs1000 said:
Have you disinherited him yet?RobC said:My son in his twenties won't be sending me a postcard as he is the Vote Leave organiser for his area. I in my fifties will be voting to remain.
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I think that's correct.AlastairMeeks said:@oflynnmep · 2m2 minutes ago
Congratulations to Vote Leave for winning the Leave designation - now let's get behind the campaign and bring home our democracy.
It looks like key UKIP figures are trying to make sure that the facts on the ground will make a challenge impractical.0 -
I think it was the other 2 that merged, Vote Leave remains.nunu said:
I thought Grassroot out and Vote Leave are merged now ? Wil Leave.EU contest this result?SimonStClare said:Blast, can’t believe George Galloway failed to swing it in Grassroots favour…!
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Press statement from Electoral Commission saying Vote Leave will lead Leave campaign.
“We received two high quality applications on the ‘Leave’ side, from ‘Vote Leave Ltd’ and ‘The Go Movement Ltd’. After careful consideration, the Commission decided that ‘Vote Leave Ltd’ better demonstrated that it has the structures in place to ensure the views of other campaigners are represented in the delivery of its campaign. It therefore represents, to a greater extent than ‘Go Movement Ltd’, those campaigning for the ‘Leave’ outcome, which is the test we must apply.”
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But...
@BreitbartLondon · 1m1 minute ago
EXCLUSIVE: Leave.EU Will Bring ‘Judicial Review’ Against Electoral Commission http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/04/13/eu-referendum-westminster-establishment-vote-leave-handed-official-campaign-designation-eu-campaign/ …
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My last worry is gone - one campaign, VoteLeave - much broader based appeal for the swing Leaver.MaxPB said:
Even better news that UKIP aren't going to contest it.Plato_Says said:0 -
They better not win now then or he will gloat forever.RobC said:
He is putting in the hard yards each weekend organising and running street stalls while I tell him he is wasting his precious time and won't win.rcs1000 said:
Have you disinherited him yet?RobC said:My son in his twenties won't be sending me a postcard as he is the Vote Leave organiser for his area. I in my fifties will be voting to remain.
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@BreitbartLondon: EXCLUSIVE: Leave.EU Will Bring ‘Judicial Review’ Against Electoral Commission https://t.co/NOtIi4eBq5 https://t.co/xdO9l0wRWV0
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Bleating on about the John Whittingdale story.Mortimer said:
What has he done? I am decidedly not a fan and was very pleased when Nicola Blackwood beat him in OWAB.TheScreamingEagles said:I'm not a violent man but watching Evan Harris makes me want to hit him around the face with a rolled up Range Rover
He used words like blackmail and conspiracy non stop without a shred of evidence.
Basically, you can tell he was educated at The University of Oxford. 0 -
My impression is that Grassroots Out are doing a good deal of work on the ground now. Provided they're now willing to work with Vote Leave, this could turn out very well.Casino_Royale said:
Ooh. Tasty.Scott_P said:@ShippersUnbound: The Electoral Commission will announce the lead out campaign for the referendum in 5 minutes
And Aaron Banks will throw his toys out of the pram in six minutes.0 -
So far we've heard from those on the sane side of the UKIP fence, nothing from Farage or Banks. Both must be fuming that their motley crew didn't get the designation, who would have thought that inviting Galloway on stage wouldn't help win official status.AlastairMeeks said:@oflynnmep · 2m2 minutes ago
Congratulations to Vote Leave for winning the Leave designation - now let's get behind the campaign and bring home our democracy.
It looks like key UKIP figures are trying to make sure that the facts on the ground will make a challenge impractical.0 -
I predicted that and was mocked for it.Scott_P said:@BreitbartLondon: EXCLUSIVE: Leave.EU Will Bring ‘Judicial Review’ Against Electoral Commission https://t.co/NOtIi4eBq5 https://t.co/xdO9l0wRWV
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You were out by three minutes.Casino_Royale said:
Ooh. Tasty.Scott_P said:@ShippersUnbound: The Electoral Commission will announce the lead out campaign for the referendum in 5 minutes
And Aaron Banks will throw his toys out of the pram in six minutes.0 -
Gutted for the Trade Unionist and Socialist Coalition, what an awesome leave campaign they'd have run.
It feels like the students have just beaten the children to the designation, hoping against hope that this decision might get both sides of the campaign out of the gutter, and force the various Leave factions to agree on their priorities and direction.0 -
Maryland - Marist/NBC
Trump 41 .. Cruz 29 .. Kasich 24
Clinton 58 .. Sanders 36
Clinton 58 .. Trump 27
Clinton 55 .. Kasich 38
Clinton 55 .. Cruz 31
Sanders 65 .. Trump 26
Sanders 55 .. Kasich 36
Sanders 63 .. Cruz 28
http://media.nbcwashington.com/documents/NBC4_Marist+Poll_Maryland_+Presidential_Annotated+Questionnaire_April+2016.pdf0 -
No, I've never read it.Indigo said:
Congratulations.Innocent_Abroad said:
That book was written by a woman.Indigo said:
Atlas will Shrug.Innocent_Abroad said:If, as seems entirely possible, both REMAIN and Khan win their respective polls simply on the basis of female and non-white votes, how much longer will white males put up with representative democracy?
Do you remember what it suggested about people who no longer felt they were getting an equitable return from society ?
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@MrJacHart: So its decided - rather than try to win the referendum, Leave.EU plan to continue trying to win the official designation. Smart move.0
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THAT'S their logo?TheScreamingEagles said:
I predicted that and was mocked for it.Scott_P said:@BreitbartLondon: EXCLUSIVE: Leave.EU Will Bring ‘Judicial Review’ Against Electoral Commission https://t.co/NOtIi4eBq5 https://t.co/xdO9l0wRWV
Dear Lord.0 -
One of the Johnny come lately colleges, though....TheScreamingEagles said:
Bleating on about the John Whittingdale story.Mortimer said:
What has he done? I am decidedly not a fan and was very pleased when Nicola Blackwood beat him in OWAB.TheScreamingEagles said:I'm not a violent man but watching Evan Harris makes me want to hit him around the face with a rolled up Range Rover
He used words like blackmail and conspiracy non stop without a shred of evidence.
Basically, you can tell he was educated at The University of Oxford.0 -
Strong numbers for Bernie Sanders there considering the demographicsJackW said:Maryland - Marist/NBC
Trump 41 .. Cruz 29 .. Kasich 24
Clinton 58 .. Sanders 36
Clinton 58 .. Trump 27
Clinton 55 .. Kasich 38
Clinton 55 .. Cruz 31
Sanders 65 .. Trump 26
Sanders 55 .. Kasich 36
Sanders 63 .. Cruz 28
http://media.nbcwashington.com/documents/NBC4_Marist+Poll_Maryland_+Presidential_Annotated+Questionnaire_April+2016.pdf 0 -
Will they get told to piss off at the door of the court ?AlastairMeeks said:But...
@BreitbartLondon · 1m1 minute ago
EXCLUSIVE: Leave.EU Will Bring ‘Judicial Review’ Against Electoral Commission http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/04/13/eu-referendum-westminster-establishment-vote-leave-handed-official-campaign-designation-eu-campaign/ …if there is more than one applicant for an outcome, the Commission shall designate whichever of the applicants appears to the Commission to represent to the greatest extent those campaigning for that outcome.
"appears to the commission" so the PPERA delegates the power of choice to the EC.0 -
I take it they wouldn't let you in...TheScreamingEagles said:
Bleating on about the John Whittingdale story.Mortimer said:
What has he done? I am decidedly not a fan and was very pleased when Nicola Blackwood beat him in OWAB.TheScreamingEagles said:I'm not a violent man but watching Evan Harris makes me want to hit him around the face with a rolled up Range Rover
He used words like blackmail and conspiracy non stop without a shred of evidence.
Basically, you can tell he was educated at The University of Oxford.
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Aron's attempt to up end this decision is just beyond childish - he thought he'd bought UKIP, and the campaign. I'd be amazed if more than a tiny minority will be more loyal to him than their cause by this carpetbagger.0
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Oh, I'm not disputing that his figures are balls. I was just trying to work out where the 300 came from to begin with.Pulpstar said:Alistair said:Looking at https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/210244/9549-TSO-HMRC_RA_ACCESSIBLE.pdf they state that 26,000 people work in the HMRC Enforcement and Compliance unit but don't break down how many of those people are inspectors and how many are tea makers.
Come on Alistair, even you can surely admit Angus has pulled a bit of a fast one thereJosiasJessop said:
But is that what he said, and is it relevant?Alistair said:
The 300 tax evasion staff figure comes from the number working in the Affluent Compliance UnitJosiasJessop said:
Thanks.Alistair said:
http://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2016/04/13/pmqs-factcheck-does-the-dwp-employ-ten-times-as-many-fraud-iJosiasJessop said:
Was that the right link? I get something unrelated.Scott_P said:@IanDunt: PMQs Factcheck: Does the DWP employ ten times as many fraud inspectors as HMRC? SPOILER: Fuck no https://t.co/PwoJRQabEC
Wow. That's an incredible difference from what Robertson claimed. Surely it's so egregious that Robertson should either provide evidence or apologise for misleading parliament?
(runs from the SNP supporters).
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Yes, but they'd still potentially be challengeable by judicial review if they hadn't properly considered the issues.Indigo said:
"appears to the commission" so the PPERA delegates the power of choice to the EC.
IANAL, but I'd have thought the chances of a successful judicial review in this case would be approximately zero.0 -
Well I hope that's correct. But before we cheer, lets see/hear what Farage has to say; if anything.Plato_Says said:My last worry is gone - one campaign, VoteLeave - much broader based appeal for the swing Leaver.
MaxPB said:
Even better news that UKIP aren't going to contest it.Plato_Says said:0 -
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@GerriPeev: 'I joined a Eurosceptic group and all they gave me was this lousy tie'0
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anyone know someone who wants a few thousand garish green ties? many rather spittle or froth stained?0
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Leave.EU should Sod.Off.0
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I presume we might have to wait an hr our two...I assume still on the Port "course" of his regular light lunch.MikeK said:
Well I hope that's correct. But before we cheer, lets see/hear what Farage has to say; if anything.Plato_Says said:My last worry is gone - one campaign, VoteLeave - much broader based appeal for the swing Leaver.
MaxPB said:
Even better news that UKIP aren't going to contest it.Plato_Says said:0 -
Is Kate Hoey part of Vote Leave or Grassroots Out?
Whichever one, the "Leave campaign" in general would do well to push her more to the forefront IMO.0 -
Nigel Farage has a big moment now. If his voice is not raised against Vote Leave, any challenge will evaporate. If he decides to fight, he will carry a large part of UKIP with him outside the tent.
The decision, while expected, is awful news for him. Come what may, UKIP are not going to own the Leave campaign now.0 -
Either Raheem Kassan is the world's fastest typing journalist/publisher, or that piece was preprepared and the toys were out the pram just waiting for EC confirmation of a betting certainty...
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/04/13/eu-referendum-westminster-establishment-vote-leave-handed-official-campaign-designation-eu-campaign/0 -
GO but they and Vote Leave don't hate each other. Leave.EU which is run by Arron Banks is fighting the decision. GO is Vote Leave's lefty friend.Danny565 said:Is Kate Hoey part of Vote Leave or Grassroots Out?
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Lol! Best thing is for everyone to ignore the petulant little twat.Richard_Nabavi said:
You were out by three minutes.Casino_Royale said:
Ooh. Tasty.Scott_P said:@ShippersUnbound: The Electoral Commission will announce the lead out campaign for the referendum in 5 minutes
And Aaron Banks will throw his toys out of the pram in six minutes.
I'm hoping this is a less of a Remain/Leave thing and something we can all agree on.0 -
I agree.Danny565 said:Is Kate Hoey part of Vote Leave or Grassroots Out?
Whichever one, the "Leave campaign" in general would do well to push her more to the forefront IMO.0 -
Richard_Nabavi said:
Yes, but they'd still potentially be challengeable by judicial review if they hadn't properly considered the issues.
IANAL, but I'd have thought the chances of a successful judicial review in this case would be approximately zero.
I would have thought that the most they could hope for was for the EC to reconsider some fact or other they may have missed (seems unlikely).
IMHO The losers need to support the official campaign, or to walk away with their dignity intact. If they fight this they will look stupid.
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Tsk, tsk, language, Morris. Rather than sod-off, they should be brought into the fold. The quicker the better.Morris_Dancer said:Leave.EU should Sod.Off.
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Well that's something I will just have to take. However if as I expect it goes a bit pear shaped after a Leave vote the boot might eventually end up on the other foot.Indigo said:
They better not win now then or he will gloat forever.RobC said:
He is putting in the hard yards each weekend organising and running street stalls while I tell him he is wasting his precious time and won't win.rcs1000 said:
Have you disinherited him yet?RobC said:My son in his twenties won't be sending me a postcard as he is the Vote Leave organiser for his area. I in my fifties will be voting to remain.
Incidentally he did mention to me the two Out factions get on very well on the ground
and even have run joint stalls in some places. The problem is Farage and Banks.0 -
Can he afford (in financial terms) to not go with Arron Banks ?AlastairMeeks said:Nigel Farage has a big moment now. If his voice is not raised against Vote Leave, any challenge will evaporate. If he decides to fight, he will carry a large part of UKIP with him outside the tent.
The decision, while expected, is awful news for him. Come what may, UKIP are not going to own the Leave campaign now.
Can he afford (in political terms) to go with Arron Banks ?0 -
A wise decision.Innocent_Abroad said:
No, I've never read it.Indigo said:
Congratulations.Innocent_Abroad said:
That book was written by a woman.Indigo said:
Atlas will Shrug.Innocent_Abroad said:If, as seems entirely possible, both REMAIN and Khan win their respective polls simply on the basis of female and non-white votes, how much longer will white males put up with representative democracy?
Do you remember what it suggested about people who no longer felt they were getting an equitable return from society ?0 -
Farage being sidelined is fantastic news for those wanting to leave the EU.AlastairMeeks said:Nigel Farage has a big moment now. If his voice is not raised against Vote Leave, any challenge will evaporate. If he decides to fight, he will carry a large part of UKIP with him outside the tent.
The decision, while expected, is awful news for him. Come what may, UKIP are not going to own the Leave campaign now.0 -
Perhaps the ballot paper could have a second question on whether Aaron Banks should LEAVE or REMAIN in the United Kingdom?0
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Oh dear, just piss off Arron Banks, this fucking referendum has already screwed up Mike's holiday plans, and mine as well.
https://twitter.com/benrileysmith/status/7202563136835461120 -
Landslide win for Leave!Casino_Royale said:Perhaps the ballot paper could have a second question on whether Aaron Banks should LEAVE or REMAIN in the United Kingdom?
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I don't follow how, even if there is a judicial review, how that would delay the Referendum?TheScreamingEagles said:0
