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Facebook and the Electoral Commission have teamed up to pesuade voters across the UK to register to vote in the May 5th elections as well as EURef on June 23rd.
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They've been promoting this on Uber too0
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Brilliant question from Douglas as usual.
You see Dave lovers, he's going nowhere, vote Leave with your conscience clear.
Douglas is far cleverer than Cameron and Dave knows it. He called Reckless "fat arse", he never dared abuse Douglas.>>>
Given that the vast majority of those voting Leave are either confirmed fruitcakes or politically apathetic/ignorant*, I doubt the potential "cleverness" of Carswell's question will have little impact in helping Leave. If Cameron had said "No" or waffled, then that would surely be seized on by Leave campaigners as a "Vote Leave, Get Rid of Cameron" signal, because that is a much clearer and easier to sell message and would surely shift more votes their way, eg in stubbornly pro-EU areas like Scotland or the Welsh Valleys etc.
One suspects "Leave" might need to do a bit of "Get Rid of Cameron" dog whistling by June time anyway...
(*I recognise many Leave supporters are vocal on here and are not (all) fruitcakes, and I myself have had to make a finely balanced decision myself as to which side i come down on, but this is a website for the politically aware and engaged - not your "average voter". My comment is not directed to you!)0 -
LOL at the "Talk to Gran".0
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Do we have any idea what the current state of play regarding Individual Voter Registration currently is?0
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It's called the 'Grab a granny' strategyDanny565 said:LOL at the "Talk to Gran".
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You needn't have bothered
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More likely Gran will put the youngster right about a few things.runnymede said:Repost...
You needn't have bothered
On thread - talk to Gran is really desperate stuff
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This reminds me of Dave's "closet racists mostly" comment which back fired, I'm sure Remainers won't be so stupid as to say something like that again. Also how can you say the majority are of leavers are "apathetic" given the oldies who are most likely to vote leave are also most likely to turn out? If anything the 18-24 year old are most ignorant/apathetic.Bob__Sykes said:Repost...
<<<blackburn63 said:
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Brilliant question from Douglas as usual.
You see Dave lovers, he's going nowhere, vote Leave with your conscience clear.
Douglas is far cleverer than Cameron and Dave knows it. He called Reckless "fat arse", he never dared abuse Douglas.>>>
Given that the vast majority of those voting Leave are either confirmed fruitcakes or politically apathetic/ignorant*, I doubt the potential "cleverness" of Carswell's question will have little impact in helping Leave. If Cameron had said "No" or waffled, then that would surely be seized on by Leave campaigners as a "Vote Leave, Get Rid of Cameron" signal, because that is a much clearer and easier to sell message and would surely shift more votes their way, eg in stubbornly pro-EU areas like Scotland or the Welsh Valleys etc.
One suspects "Leave" might need to do a bit of "Get Rid of Cameron" dog whistling by June time anyway...
(*I recognise many Leave supporters are vocal on here and are not (all) fruitcakes, and I myself have had to make a finely balanced decision myself as to which side i come down on, but this is a website for the politically aware and engaged - not your "average voter". My comment is not directed to you!)0 -
On the "Project Fear" comments atop the last thread, I signed up to follow on Facebook weeks ago both "Vote Leave" and "BSIE", so I could read and reflect on their respective contributions whilst my mind was torn both ways. I have to say neither is covering themselves in glory, but at least BSIE seems to be setting out a positive vision, even if I don't always agree with its heavily Europhile postings, whilst it is Vote Leave coming out with inflammatory and generally misleading guff on a regular basis (and they are the restrained ones, goodness knows what the Farage lot are spewing out!).
I think BSIE's restrained approach may have helped steer me to Remain, albeit a Reluctant Remainer!0 -
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But those who are pro-Cameron and pro-Leave are almost automatically somewhat politically sophisticated, since they are juggling two positions that don't match. What Leave are trying to do is de-risk Leave for them, even if Cameron staying on is probably not actually tenable.Bob__Sykes said:Given that the vast majority of those voting Leave are either confirmed fruitcakes or politically apathetic/ignorant*, I doubt the potential "cleverness" of Carswell's question will have little impact in helping Leave.
The "Vote Leave to get rid of Cameron" message will still be potent elsewhere, amongst the left flank of Labour and even some Greens/residual LDs.
This is why the same question made more sense coming from Carswell than Burgon.0 -
I've mixed feelings about the BBC, but watching its report on the IMF last night I thought, for the first time ever, that this was not news at all - it was propaganda.Mortimer said:
It is the referendum equivalent of seeking support from Russell Brand.runnymede said:Repost...
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On thread - talk to Gran is really desperate stuff
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I think Leave will have those three scalps if they win. The party seems to have fallen out of love with Osborne so moving him on is probably going to happen anyway and both Javid and Hammond are seen as traitors having been in the BOO camp for their whole careers they decided to toady up to their bosses instead of stand up for their own principles.TheScreamingEagles said:
Just imagine if Remain won, and Cameron promoted only Remainers and shunted the Leavers, you'd be fuming.Casino_Royale said:
Cameron resigning on Day 1 would wreck the markets and create turmoil.MarkHopkins said:Alanbrooke said:
So in other words Dave should go.Richard_Nabavi said:
That's what I suggest, by passing responsibility on to someone who believes in it. It would be like a company deciding on a risky new strategy: you want it implemented by someone who wants to do it, not someone who doesn't.Casino_Royale said:
Or you could back the patriotic decision of your fellow countrymen, and try your best to make it a success rather than sneer.Richard_Nabavi said:
Your forgot the bit in the middle, where he announces to the people "The Leave campaign have told you that there is no economic risk, that we don't need to be subject to EU freedom of movement, that new trade deals with the EU and dozens of other countries can be concluded very quickly, and that we'll be able to impose tariffs on imports we don't like. I look forward to seeing how well they do with that lot."TheScreamingEagles said:This is Dave's diary on June 24th if we vote to leave
9am he invokes article 50.
9.01am he resigns as PM
Cameron can stay and appt Gove as "Brexit Minister". That would satisfy many people.
I think he might annouce a timetable for a leadership campaign but in the meantime govern domestically, and globally as required, but delegate all discussion with the EU to a Brexit team led by Gove.
I'd like to see promotions for Leadsom (possibly to Chancellor), Gove to foreign secretary and Raab to Justice in such an eventuality, with perhaps Patel as Chief Sec. May could probably stay. Boris would need something (God knows what)
I think Hammond, Osborne and Javid would not be in a great place.
And you're forgetting that in the scenario the head of the Remain campaign (Dave) is still the most important person in the Cabinet, he is still the PM.0 -
“Talk to Gran”
Not a good idea, granny hates the EU
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Have they considered the likely impact of "I know I should call more but ..."?
Nowadays people can hardly ever be bothered to call to say "thanks for the present" and Grannies are expected to respond favourably to a politically-motivated circular from their descendants? Maybe they will, maybe they won't.0 -
But surely by that token, the "pro-Dave pro-Leave" person will be sophisticated enough to recognise that a Leave win and Dave remaining are not tenable, as you recognise, regardless of the Carswell exchange today?Tissue_Price said:
But those who are pro-Cameron and pro-Leave are almost automatically somewhat politically sophisticated, since they are juggling two positions that don't match. What Leave are trying to do is de-risk Leave for them, even if Cameron staying on is probably not actually tenable.Bob__Sykes said:Given that the vast majority of those voting Leave are either confirmed fruitcakes or politically apathetic/ignorant*, I doubt the potential "cleverness" of Carswell's question will have little impact in helping Leave.
The "Vote Leave to get rid of Cameron" message will still be potent elsewhere, amongst the left flank of Labour and even some Greens/residual LDs.
This is why the same question made more sense coming from Carswell than Burgon.0 -
I'm amazed Burgon had time for PMQs, given how busy he is with meetings in the city.Tissue_Price said:
But those who are pro-Cameron and pro-Leave are almost automatically somewhat politically sophisticated, since they are juggling two positions that don't match. What Leave are trying to do is de-risk Leave for them, even if Cameron staying on is probably not actually tenable.Bob__Sykes said:Given that the vast majority of those voting Leave are either confirmed fruitcakes or politically apathetic/ignorant*, I doubt the potential "cleverness" of Carswell's question will have little impact in helping Leave.
The "Vote Leave to get rid of Cameron" message will still be potent elsewhere, amongst the left flank of Labour and even some Greens/residual LDs.
This is why the same question made more sense coming from Carswell than Burgon.0 -
And people have the gall to say that Leave is having a poor campaign?0
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If any of my nephews and nieces want to talk with my parents about politics, could they let me know in advance so that I can sell ringside seats?0 -
This spreadsheet shows the difference in the number of voters in each constituency between 1st Dec 2014 and 1st Dec 2015:JosiasJessop said:Do we have any idea what the current state of play regarding Individual Voter Registration currently is?
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Excellent "talk to gran" idea.0
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My gran makes Maggie look quite left wing....AnneJGP said:Have they considered the likely impact of "I know I should call more but ..."?
Nowadays people can hardly ever be bothered to call to say "thanks for the present" and Grannies are expected to respond favourably to a politically-motivated circular from their descendants? Maybe they will, maybe they won't.
She held garden parties where Anne Widdecombe was the guest of honour.
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LOLAlastairMeeks said:PUBLIC NOTICE
If any of my nephews and nieces want to talk with my parents about politics, could they let me know in advance so that I can sell ringside seats?0 -
http://hurryupharry.org/2016/04/12/zac-goldsmith-vs-sadiq-khan/
The following article is also of interest to those wondering whether Sadiq Khan really will challenge Islamic extremists.0 -
http://news.sky.com/story/1677906/citi-hands-six-figure-sum-to-eu-in-campaign
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If the strategy wasn't so crap in the first place, the obvious riposte from Leave would be 'Nanas, get the grandkids round for some WKDs & KFC and let them them know that their futures lie outwith the repressive EUSSR'.SimonStClare said:“Talk to Gran”
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It is tenable, Michael Gove will be telling everyone on the Tory Leave side to shut up and ensure no serious leadership challenge is brought. At the end of the day, we will have got what we wanted after that it is time come together which needs a unity Cabinet. Gove, Patel and Leadsom get promotions and Boris comes in, Osborne, Javid, Rudd and Hammond get demotions or even booted in the case of Javid given how useless he is. Remember, Dave won the first Tory majority for 23 years and on every other subject he still has the confidence of his party and the Tory voting public. Yes this will damage him, but not terminally and if he ensures Gove is leading the negotiations to leave it will be enough to keep Tory MPs happy, really what UKIP have to say on it once we've got the leave vote is of no consequence.Bob__Sykes said:
But surely by that token, the "pro-Dave pro-Leave" person will be sophisticated enough to recognise that a Leave win and Dave remaining are not tenable, as you recognise, regardless of the Carswell exchange today?Tissue_Price said:
But those who are pro-Cameron and pro-Leave are almost automatically somewhat politically sophisticated, since they are juggling two positions that don't match. What Leave are trying to do is de-risk Leave for them, even if Cameron staying on is probably not actually tenable.Bob__Sykes said:Given that the vast majority of those voting Leave are either confirmed fruitcakes or politically apathetic/ignorant*, I doubt the potential "cleverness" of Carswell's question will have little impact in helping Leave.
The "Vote Leave to get rid of Cameron" message will still be potent elsewhere, amongst the left flank of Labour and even some Greens/residual LDs.
This is why the same question made more sense coming from Carswell than Burgon.0 -
O/T:
"On 19 April possibly the strangest democratic election to any legislature in the world will take place, with seven candidates competing for the votes of three people for one place in the British parliament."
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@josiahjessop
Thanks for calling me a bullshitter, I have accused you in the past of being unpleasant, I haven't changed my mind. I have a couple of questions for you:
A man known to me has a first class university degree, he manages a non league football team. Is he cleverer than Alex Ferguson?
I have O levels, I have a certificate from Mensa, am I clever?
Incidentally, I have never told a lie on this site, have you?
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Thanks, that's brilliant.AndyJS said:
This spreadsheet shows the difference in the number of voters in each constituency between 1st Dec 2014 and 1st Dec 2015:JosiasJessop said:Do we have any idea what the current state of play regarding Individual Voter Registration currently is?
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Bob__Sykes said:
On the "Project Fear" comments atop the last thread, I signed up to follow on Facebook weeks ago both "Vote Leave" and "BSIE", so I could read and reflect on their respective contributions whilst my mind was torn both ways. I have to say neither is covering themselves in glory, but at least BSIE seems to be setting out a positive vision, even if I don't always agree with its heavily Europhile postings, whilst it is Vote Leave coming out with inflammatory and generally misleading guff on a regular basis (and they are the restrained ones, goodness knows what the Farage lot are spewing out!).
I think BSIE's restrained approach may have helped steer me to Remain, albeit a Reluctant Remainer!
Why is it that so many Leavers are truly swivel-eyed? Another Reluctant Remainer.
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@IanDunt: PMQs Factcheck: Does the DWP employ ten times as many fraud inspectors as HMRC? SPOILER: Fuck no https://t.co/PwoJRQabEC0
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Granny might hate the EU but is she really going to vote to leave it if it means sabotaging her grandkids' future?SimonStClare said:“Talk to Gran”
Not a good idea, granny hates the EU
"Please don't vote leave" + sad face, coming from one of her beloved grandkids is likely to be the thing she remembers when walking into the voting booth, rather than any of the official campaign arguments.0 -
I answered this on the previous thread.MaxPB said:
I think Leave will have those three scalps if they win. The party seems to have fallen out of love with Osborne so moving him on is probably going to happen anyway and both Javid and Hammond are seen as traitors having been in the BOO camp for their whole careers they decided to toady up to their bosses instead of stand up for their own principles.TheScreamingEagles said:
Just imagine if Remain won, and Cameron promoted only Remainers and shunted the Leavers, you'd be fuming.Casino_Royale said:
Cameron resigning on Day 1 would wreck the markets and create turmoil.MarkHopkins said:Alanbrooke said:
So in other words Dave should go.Richard_Nabavi said:Casino_Royale said:
Or you could back the patriotic decision of your fellow countrymen, and try your best to make it a success rather than sneer.Richard_Nabavi said:
Your forgot the bit in the middle, where he announces to the people "The Leave campaign have told you that there is no economic risk, that we don't need to be subject to EU freedom of movement, that new trade deals with the EU and dozens of other countries can be concluded very quickly, and that we'll be able to impose tariffs on imports we don't like. I look forward to seeing how well they do with that lot."TheScreamingEagles said:This is Dave's diary on June 24th if we vote to leave
9am he invokes article 50.
9.01am he resigns as PM
Cameron can stay and appt Gove as "Brexit Minister". That would satisfy many people.
I think he might annouce a timetable for a leadership campaign but in the meantime govern domestically, and globally as required, but delegate all discussion with the EU to a Brexit team led by Gove.
I'd like to see promotions for Leadsom (possibly to Chancellor), Gove to foreign secretary and Raab to Justice in such an eventuality, with perhaps Patel as Chief Sec. May could probably stay. Boris would need something (God knows what)
I think Hammond, Osborne and Javid would not be in a great place.
And you're forgetting that in the scenario the head of the Remain campaign (Dave) is still the most important person in the Cabinet, he is still the PM.
Since the current cabinet is so Remain heavy ( 24 Remainers to 6 Leavers) I think it's inevitable that any reshuffle following a Brexit vote wouldn't favour Leave, particularly if Cameron remained as PM.
But even my proposal would do little more than add 4-5 more Leavers to it, and still leave Remain supporting cabinet ministers in the majority.0 -
I'm a perfectly pleasant individual, thanks.blackburn63 said:FPT
@josiahjessop
Thanks for calling me a bullshitter, I have accused you in the past of being unpleasant, I haven't changed my mind. I have a couple of questions for you:
A man known to me has a first class university degree, he manages a non league football team. Is he cleverer than Alex Ferguson?
I have O levels, I have a certificate from Mensa, am I clever?
Incidentally, I have never told a lie on this site, have you?
Surely a non-league football team would not be managed full-time. So perhaps he does something useful in the meantime.
Aside from that, it's a ridiculous question that rather proves my original point. It's utterly subjective, and you evidently base it purely on your political biases. Hence it was b/s. I'm sorry if you find that offensive. (*)
What lie do you think I've told, if that's the meaning of your last question. I don't think I've told one, and have been fairly honest about both my past, my present, and my views.
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My niece has been imploring her parents not to vote Leave (as they are currently inclined to do). It is the one thing that might change my sister's mind, I think. My sister accepts that there would be a few hard years at first and recognises that if that's right the ones who would suffer most are those just starting their career.Pong said:
Granny might hate the EU but is she really going to vote to leave it if it means sabotaging her grandkids' future?SimonStClare said:“Talk to Gran”
Not a good idea, granny hates the EU
"Please don't vote leave" + sad face, coming from one of her beloved grandkids is likely to be the thing she remembers when walking into the voting booth, rather than any of the official campaign arguments.
But I think my sister's mind is more or less made up.0 -
Yes, because voting Leave doesn't mean sabotaging her grandkids future.Pong said:
Granny might hate the EU but is she really going to vote to leave it if it means sabotaging her grandkids' future?SimonStClare said:“Talk to Gran”
Not a good idea, granny hates the EU
"Please don't vote leave" + sad face, coming from one of her beloved grandkids is likely to be the thing she remembers when walking into the voting booth, rather than any of the official campaign arguments.
She might well point out to her grandkids that greater global trade links, controlling migration to reduce housing pressures and increased wages might all benefit them greatly.0 -
'Since the current cabinet is so Remain heavy ( 24 Remainers to 6 Leavers) I think it's inevitable that any reshuffle following a Brexit vote wouldn't favour Leave, particularly if Cameron remained as PM.
But even my proposal would do little more than add 4-5 more Leavers to it, and still leave Remain supporting cabinet ministers in the majority.'
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I think that fox jr and his cousins have talked round his grandparents, helped by some of their grandkids having dual citizenship in the EU, and going to university there.AlastairMeeks said:
My niece has been imploring her parents not to vote Leave (as they are currently inclined to do). It is the one thing that might change my sister's mind, I think. My sister accepts that there would be a few hard years at first and recognises that if that's right the ones who would suffer most are those just starting their career.Pong said:
Granny might hate the EU but is she really going to vote to leave it if it means sabotaging her grandkids' future?SimonStClare said:“Talk to Gran”
Not a good idea, granny hates the EU
"Please don't vote leave" + sad face, coming from one of her beloved grandkids is likely to be the thing she remembers when walking into the voting booth, rather than any of the official campaign arguments.
But I think my sister's mind is more or less made up.0 -
The EC tweeted earlier that 170k ish had registered to vote in last few days. Facebook campaign IIRCJosiasJessop said:
Do we have any idea what the current state of play regarding Individual Voter Registration currently is?
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Leave also has the highest proportion of 10/10 to vote.nunu said:
This reminds me of Dave's "closet racists mostly" comment which back fired, I'm sure Remainers won't be so stupid as to say something like that again. Also how can you say the majority are of leavers are "apathetic" given the oldies who are most likely to vote leave are also most likely to turn out? If anything the 18-24 year old are most ignorant/apathetic.Bob__Sykes said:Repost...
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Brilliant question from Douglas as usual.
You see Dave lovers, he's going nowhere, vote Leave with your conscience clear.
Douglas is far cleverer than Cameron and Dave knows it. He called Reckless "fat arse", he never dared abuse Douglas.>>>
Given that the vast majority of those voting Leave are either confirmed fruitcakes or politically apathetic/ignorant*, I doubt the potential "cleverness" of Carswell's question will have little impact in helping Leave. If Cameron had said "No" or waffled, then that would surely be seized on by Leave campaigners as a "Vote Leave, Get Rid of Cameron" signal, because that is a much clearer and easier to sell message and would surely shift more votes their way, eg in stubbornly pro-EU areas like Scotland or the Welsh Valleys etc.
One suspects "Leave" might need to do a bit of "Get Rid of Cameron" dog whistling by June time anyway...
(*I recognise many Leave supporters are vocal on here and are not (all) fruitcakes, and I myself have had to make a finely balanced decision myself as to which side i come down on, but this is a website for the politically aware and engaged - not your "average voter". My comment is not directed to you!)0 -
Thanks.Plato_Says said:The EC tweeted earlier that 170k ish had registered to vote in last few days. Facebook campaign IIRC
JosiasJessop said:Do we have any idea what the current state of play regarding Individual Voter Registration currently is?
I was asking because of the arguments over 'rigging' of the system because of IVR. ISTR that in the end it had little effect.
I wonder whether the levels are now approaching or above pre-IVR ?0 -
Presumably those who register are doing it with the intention of voting. Any data on their demographics?JosiasJessop said:
Thanks.Plato_Says said:The EC tweeted earlier that 170k ish had registered to vote in last few days. Facebook campaign IIRC
JosiasJessop said:Do we have any idea what the current state of play regarding Individual Voter Registration currently is?
I was asking because of the arguments over 'rigging' of the system because of IVR. ISTR that in the end it had little effect.
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It's quite impressive how quickly you've adopted Remain's attack lines now you've decided to nail your colours to that mast.Bob__Sykes said:Repost...
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Brilliant question from Douglas as usual.
You see Dave lovers, he's going nowhere, vote Leave with your conscience clear.
Douglas is far cleverer than Cameron and Dave knows it. He called Reckless "fat arse", he never dared abuse Douglas.>>>
Given that the vast majority of those voting Leave are either confirmed fruitcakes or politically apathetic/ignorant*, I doubt the potential "cleverness" of Carswell's question will have little impact in helping Leave. If Cameron had said "No" or waffled, then that would surely be seized on by Leave campaigners as a "Vote Leave, Get Rid of Cameron" signal, because that is a much clearer and easier to sell message and would surely shift more votes their way, eg in stubbornly pro-EU areas like Scotland or the Welsh Valleys etc.
One suspects "Leave" might need to do a bit of "Get Rid of Cameron" dog whistling by June time anyway...
(*I recognise many Leave supporters are vocal on here and are not (all) fruitcakes, and I myself have had to make a finely balanced decision myself as to which side i come down on, but this is a website for the politically aware and engaged - not your "average voter". My comment is not directed to you!)
You may feel a need to justify that decision to yourself on here repeatedly; just don't expect anyone else to help do it for you.0 -
Dave is for a couple of years, EU ref result is for potentially 40yrs. That's many general elections.Bob__Sykes said:
But surely by that token, the "pro-Dave pro-Leave" person will be sophisticated enough to recognise that a Leave win and Dave remaining are not tenable, as you recognise, regardless of the Carswell exchange today?Tissue_Price said:
But those who are pro-Cameron and pro-Leave are almost automatically somewhat politically sophisticated, since they are juggling two positions that don't match. What Leave are trying to do is de-risk Leave for them, even if Cameron staying on is probably not actually tenable.Bob__Sykes said:Given that the vast majority of those voting Leave are either confirmed fruitcakes or politically apathetic/ignorant*, I doubt the potential "cleverness" of Carswell's question will have little impact in helping Leave.
The "Vote Leave to get rid of Cameron" message will still be potent elsewhere, amongst the left flank of Labour and even some Greens/residual LDs.
This is why the same question made more sense coming from Carswell than Burgon.0 -
Was that the right link? I get something unrelated.Scott_P said:@IanDunt: PMQs Factcheck: Does the DWP employ ten times as many fraud inspectors as HMRC? SPOILER: Fuck no https://t.co/PwoJRQabEC
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Does anyone know a good honest gypsy with a crystal ball I can get in contact with in order to talk to Gran ?0
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It's a puzzling strategy. I'd feel rather used if I was only worth contacting for my vote here.AnneJGP said:
Have they considered the likely impact of "I know I should call more but ..."?
Nowadays people can hardly ever be bothered to call to say "thanks for the present" and Grannies are expected to respond favourably to a politically-motivated circular from their descendants? Maybe they will, maybe they won't.0 -
Very clever PMQ's Question from Carswell.0
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Only from the threader:foxinsoxuk said:
Presumably those who register are doing it with the intention of voting. Any data on their demographics?JosiasJessop said:
Thanks.Plato_Says said:The EC tweeted earlier that 170k ish had registered to vote in last few days. Facebook campaign IIRC
JosiasJessop said:Do we have any idea what the current state of play regarding Individual Voter Registration currently is?
I was asking because of the arguments over 'rigging' of the system because of IVR. ISTR that in the end it had little effect.
I wonder whether the levels are now approaching or above pre-IVR ?Around 658,800 people have so far submitted an online application to register to vote since the Commission launched its main campaign on 14 March.
I guess that 234k out of 658k is slightly disproportionate towards the 16-24 age group. Someone'll know.
Approximately 234,880 applications have come from 16 – 24 year olds.
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I think deceased relatives are only allowed to vote in Ireland.Pulpstar said:Does anyone know a good honest gypsy with a crystal ball I can get in contact with in order to talk to Gran ?
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There must be an iPhone app for that, surely?Pulpstar said:Does anyone know a good honest gypsy with a crystal ball I can get in contact with in order to talk to Gran ?
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http://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2016/04/13/pmqs-factcheck-does-the-dwp-employ-ten-times-as-many-fraud-iJosiasJessop said:
Was that the right link? I get something unrelated.Scott_P said:@IanDunt: PMQs Factcheck: Does the DWP employ ten times as many fraud inspectors as HMRC? SPOILER: Fuck no https://t.co/PwoJRQabEC
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Well there's an app that's as reliable as the contraceptive pillRichard_Nabavi said:
There must be an iPhone app for that, surely?Pulpstar said:Does anyone know a good honest gypsy with a crystal ball I can get in contact with in order to talk to Gran ?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/sex/ive-tried-the-app-thats-as-reliable-as-the-contraceptive-pill/0 -
I'll leave others to judge the rest of your post, but on the point that Leave voters are apathetic, the polling and all the evidence shows otherwise. Leave are more motivated and more likely to turn out to vote. Maybe you were trying to imply that Leave voters were thick like our friend Mr Meeks does whenever Leave is up in the polls.Bob__Sykes said:Repost...
<<<blackburn63 said:
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Brilliant question from Douglas as usual.
You see Dave lovers, he's going nowhere, vote Leave with your conscience clear.
Douglas is far cleverer than Cameron and Dave knows it. He called Reckless "fat arse", he never dared abuse Douglas.>>>
Given that the vast majority of those voting Leave are either confirmed fruitcakes or politically apathetic/ignorant*, I doubt the potential "cleverness" of Carswell's question will have little impact in helping Leave. If Cameron had said "No" or waffled, then that would surely be seized on by Leave campaigners as a "Vote Leave, Get Rid of Cameron" signal, because that is a much clearer and easier to sell message and would surely shift more votes their way, eg in stubbornly pro-EU areas like Scotland or the Welsh Valleys etc.
One suspects "Leave" might need to do a bit of "Get Rid of Cameron" dog whistling by June time anyway...
(*I recognise many Leave supporters are vocal on here and are not (all) fruitcakes, and I myself have had to make a finely balanced decision myself as to which side i come down on, but this is a website for the politically aware and engaged - not your "average voter". My comment is not directed to you!)0 -
That's the link he tweetedJosiasJessop said:
Was that the right link? I get something unrelated.Scott_P said:@IanDunt: PMQs Factcheck: Does the DWP employ ten times as many fraud inspectors as HMRC? SPOILER: Fuck no https://t.co/PwoJRQabEC
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Thanks.Alistair said:
http://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2016/04/13/pmqs-factcheck-does-the-dwp-employ-ten-times-as-many-fraud-iJosiasJessop said:
Was that the right link? I get something unrelated.Scott_P said:@IanDunt: PMQs Factcheck: Does the DWP employ ten times as many fraud inspectors as HMRC? SPOILER: Fuck no https://t.co/PwoJRQabEC
Wow. That's an incredible difference from what Robertson claimed. Surely it's so egregious that Robertson should either provide evidence or apologise for misleading parliament?
(runs from the SNP supporters).0 -
I haven't accused you of lying, you accused me. Of course some non league teams have full time managers, your non response makes my point nicely.JosiasJessop said:
I'm a perfectly pleasant individual, thanks.blackburn63 said:FPT
@josiahjessop
Thanks for calling me a bullshitter, I have accused you in the past of being unpleasant, I haven't changed my mind. I have a couple of questions for you:
A man known to me has a first class university degree, he manages a non league football team. Is he cleverer than Alex Ferguson?
I have O levels, I have a certificate from Mensa, am I clever?
Incidentally, I have never told a lie on this site, have you?
Surely a non-league football team would not be managed full-time. So perhaps he does something useful in the meantime. Aside from that, it's a ridiculous question that rather proves my original point. It's utterly subjective, and you evidently base it purely on your political biases. Hence it was b/s. I'm sorry if you find that offensive. (*)
What lie do you think I've told, if that's the meaning of your last question. I don't think I've told one, and have been fairly honest about both my past, my present, and my views.
(*) That was a classsic non-apology, by the way.
Incidentally, I have relatively few political biases, I hold the vast majority of them in complete contempt, having spent time with Douglas Carswell and read a book of his I consider him to be cleverer than Cameron. As you say, that's subjective, but qualifications are a part of that subjectivity, not the be all and end all as you suggest.
Look at those who call Corbyn thick on here, a bloke that leads the second largest political party in the country. That says far more about his accusers than him.0 -
The 300 tax evasion staff figure comes from the number working in the Affluent Compliance UnitJosiasJessop said:
Thanks.Alistair said:
http://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2016/04/13/pmqs-factcheck-does-the-dwp-employ-ten-times-as-many-fraud-iJosiasJessop said:
Was that the right link? I get something unrelated.Scott_P said:@IanDunt: PMQs Factcheck: Does the DWP employ ten times as many fraud inspectors as HMRC? SPOILER: Fuck no https://t.co/PwoJRQabEC
Wow. That's an incredible difference from what Robertson claimed. Surely it's so egregious that Robertson should either provide evidence or apologise for misleading parliament?
(runs from the SNP supporters).
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/hmrc-s-affluent-unit-recruits-100-new-inspectors0 -
Thanks for that - looks like Robertson based his question around a widespread urban myth of false facts, yet it was regarded as a "good question" - whereas Carswell was 'slammed', but actually created a decent hostage to fortune for Cameron !Alistair said:
http://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2016/04/13/pmqs-factcheck-does-the-dwp-employ-ten-times-as-many-fraud-iJosiasJessop said:
Was that the right link? I get something unrelated.Scott_P said:@IanDunt: PMQs Factcheck: Does the DWP employ ten times as many fraud inspectors as HMRC? SPOILER: Fuck no https://t.co/PwoJRQabEC
Noone really cares about accuracy though I guess
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My son in his twenties won't be sending me a postcard as he is the Vote Leave organiser for his area. I in my fifties will be voting to remain.0
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Does Scotty check the links in his constant stream of retweets? SPOILER..etc.Scott_P said:
That's the link he tweetedJosiasJessop said:
Was that the right link? I get something unrelated.Scott_P said:@IanDunt: PMQs Factcheck: Does the DWP employ ten times as many fraud inspectors as HMRC? SPOILER: Fuck no https://t.co/PwoJRQabEC
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Stephen Bush @stephenkb 2h2 hours ago
The idea that Brexit will help the NHS is starting to do real damage to In, campaigners believe.0 -
In tht particular area the 300 inspectors working per head of population vs "the undeserving rich" must be alot higher than the 3000 vs "the workshy & feckless". It's a very narrow definition of "fraud inspectors" which is better served by the statistic of "30,000 members of staff investigating tax fraud" politics.co.uk have dug up.Alistair said:
The 300 tax evasion staff figure comes from the number working in the Affluent Compliance UnitJosiasJessop said:
Thanks.Alistair said:
http://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2016/04/13/pmqs-factcheck-does-the-dwp-employ-ten-times-as-many-fraud-iJosiasJessop said:
Was that the right link? I get something unrelated.Scott_P said:@IanDunt: PMQs Factcheck: Does the DWP employ ten times as many fraud inspectors as HMRC? SPOILER: Fuck no https://t.co/PwoJRQabEC
Wow. That's an incredible difference from what Robertson claimed. Surely it's so egregious that Robertson should either provide evidence or apologise for misleading parliament?
(runs from the SNP supporters).
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/hmrc-s-affluent-unit-recruits-100-new-inspectors0 -
Well it will reduce health tourism for sure. Might cause staffing issues though.Danny565 said:Stephen Bush @stephenkb 2h2 hours ago
The idea that Brexit will help the NHS is starting to do real damage to In, campaigners believe.0 -
Looking at https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/210244/9549-TSO-HMRC_RA_ACCESSIBLE.pdf they state that 26,000 people work in the HMRC Enforcement and Compliance unit but don't break down how many of those people are inspectors and how many are tea makers.0
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Pull the the one, it's got bells on it. You are a Cameron loyalist sufficient to make Mr Nabavi blush.perdix said:Bob__Sykes said:On the "Project Fear" comments atop the last thread, I signed up to follow on Facebook weeks ago both "Vote Leave" and "BSIE", so I could read and reflect on their respective contributions whilst my mind was torn both ways. I have to say neither is covering themselves in glory, but at least BSIE seems to be setting out a positive vision, even if I don't always agree with its heavily Europhile postings, whilst it is Vote Leave coming out with inflammatory and generally misleading guff on a regular basis (and they are the restrained ones, goodness knows what the Farage lot are spewing out!).
I think BSIE's restrained approach may have helped steer me to Remain, albeit a Reluctant Remainer!
Why is it that so many Leavers are truly swivel-eyed? Another Reluctant Remainer.
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Does Divvie know what retweet means? SPOILER..etc.Theuniondivvie said:stream of retweets? SPOILER..etc.
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I've always thought that pitching Leave as a vote to "save British public services" (by recouping the money we "send to Brussels" to put into services, stopping services getting privatised by secret trade deals, and stopping services getting overwhelmed by immigrants) is the main weapon Leave have to get working-class Labour voters on side. Not this abstract rubbish about "sovereignty" and the supremacy of Magna Carta as a principle in itself.0
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It's getting traction in my timeline. There's many aspects to it
- TTIP
- Pressure on services
- Health tourism
Something in there for everyoneDanny565 said:Stephen Bush @stephenkb 2h2 hours ago
The idea that Brexit will help the NHS is starting to do real damage to In, campaigners believe.0 -
"Of course some non league teams have full time managers"blackburn63 said:
I haven't accused you of lying, you accused me. Of course some non league teams have full time managers, your non response makes my point nicely.JosiasJessop said:
I'm a perfectly pleasant individual, thanks.blackburn63 said:FPT
@josiahjessop
Thanks for calling me a bullshitter, I have accused you in the past of being unpleasant, I haven't changed my mind. I have a couple of questions for you:
A man known to me has a first class university degree, he manages a non league football team. Is he cleverer than Alex Ferguson?
I have O levels, I have a certificate from Mensa, am I clever?
Incidentally, I have never told a lie on this site, have you?
Surely a non-league football team would not be managed full-time. So perhaps he does something useful in the meantime. Aside from that, it's a ridiculous question that rather proves my original point. It's utterly subjective, and you evidently base it purely on your political biases. Hence it was b/s. I'm sorry if you find that offensive. (*)
What lie do you think I've told, if that's the meaning of your last question. I don't think I've told one, and have been fairly honest about both my past, my present, and my views.
(*) That was a classsic non-apology, by the way.
Incidentally, I have relatively few political biases, I hold the vast majority of them in complete contempt, having spent time with Douglas Carswell and read a book of his I consider him to be cleverer than Cameron. As you say, that's subjective, but qualifications are a part of that subjectivity, not the be all and end all as you suggest.
Look at those who call Corbyn thick on here, a bloke that leads the second largest political party in the country. That says far more about his accusers than him.
I have no idea - as some may note, I'm not exactly fond of football. I'd be surprised if they did though: it must be quite a cost. In fact, until just now I thought that non-league clubs almost totally relied on part-time players. But I daresay I'm wrong on that as well ...
As for the main discussion: I said your claim was b/s. Which it clearly was, especially in the context in which you wrote it.
It was: "Douglas is far cleverer than Cameron and Dave knows it." The first clause is utterly subjective and not backed by the little evidence we have, and the second is either wrong or outside either of our's knowledge (unless Cameron's made a statement about such?) (*)
Anyway, can we call a peace treaty on this? It's getting rather off-topic (a bit rich from me, i know).
(*) For the record, I've no doubt both are more intelligent and cleverer than me. But I bet I can walk further. 0 -
Spoof post?Pong said:
Granny might hate the EU but is she really going to vote to leave it if it means sabotaging her grandkids' future?SimonStClare said:“Talk to Gran”
Not a good idea, granny hates the EU
"Please don't vote leave" + sad face, coming from one of her beloved grandkids is likely to be the thing she remembers when walking into the voting booth, rather than any of the official campaign arguments.0 -
Well has "remain" addressed the possibility of vexatious litigation by US companies with regards to NHS contracts {TTIP} ?Danny565 said:Stephen Bush @stephenkb 2h2 hours ago
The idea that Brexit will help the NHS is starting to do real damage to In, campaigners believe.
You don't need to win a know that you'll win a court case in order to distress a public organisation, you can just keep on litigating till you feel you might get a settlement...
(See Coventry Council vs SISU)0 -
If they kids actually talk to Gran, maybe Gran will convert them to Leave ... 0
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But is that what he said, and is it relevant?Alistair said:
The 300 tax evasion staff figure comes from the number working in the Affluent Compliance UnitJosiasJessop said:
Thanks.Alistair said:
http://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2016/04/13/pmqs-factcheck-does-the-dwp-employ-ten-times-as-many-fraud-iJosiasJessop said:
Was that the right link? I get something unrelated.Scott_P said:@IanDunt: PMQs Factcheck: Does the DWP employ ten times as many fraud inspectors as HMRC? SPOILER: Fuck no https://t.co/PwoJRQabEC
Wow. That's an incredible difference from what Robertson claimed. Surely it's so egregious that Robertson should either provide evidence or apologise for misleading parliament?
(runs from the SNP supporters).
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/hmrc-s-affluent-unit-recruits-100-new-inspectors0 -
Before telling them to f**k off and let her watch Countdown in peace one hopes.Casino_Royale said:
Yes, because voting Leave doesn't mean sabotaging her grandkids future.Pong said:
Granny might hate the EU but is she really going to vote to leave it if it means sabotaging her grandkids' future?SimonStClare said:“Talk to Gran”
Not a good idea, granny hates the EU
"Please don't vote leave" + sad face, coming from one of her beloved grandkids is likely to be the thing she remembers when walking into the voting booth, rather than any of the official campaign arguments.
She might well point out to her grandkids that greater global trade links, controlling migration to reduce housing pressures and increased wages might all benefit them greatly.0 -
What tickles Labour voters isn't the same as Tories or ex Tory Kippers - that's much more focused on our national identity and sovereignty.Danny565 said:
I've always thought that pitching Leave as a vote to "save British public services" (by recouping the money we "send to Brussels" to put into services, stopping services getting privatised by secret trade deals, and stopping services getting "overwhelmed by immigrants") is the main weapon Leave have to get working-class Labour voters on side. Not this abstract rubbish about "sovereignty" and the supremacy of Magna Carta as a principle in itself.
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Alistair said:
Looking at https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/210244/9549-TSO-HMRC_RA_ACCESSIBLE.pdf they state that 26,000 people work in the HMRC Enforcement and Compliance unit but don't break down how many of those people are inspectors and how many are tea makers.
Come on Alistair, even you can surely admit Angus has pulled a bit of a fast one thereJosiasJessop said:
But is that what he said, and is it relevant?Alistair said:
The 300 tax evasion staff figure comes from the number working in the Affluent Compliance UnitJosiasJessop said:
Thanks.Alistair said:
http://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2016/04/13/pmqs-factcheck-does-the-dwp-employ-ten-times-as-many-fraud-iJosiasJessop said:
Was that the right link? I get something unrelated.Scott_P said:@IanDunt: PMQs Factcheck: Does the DWP employ ten times as many fraud inspectors as HMRC? SPOILER: Fuck no https://t.co/PwoJRQabEC
Wow. That's an incredible difference from what Robertson claimed. Surely it's so egregious that Robertson should either provide evidence or apologise for misleading parliament?
(runs from the SNP supporters).
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/hmrc-s-affluent-unit-recruits-100-new-inspectors 0 -
I'm not a violent man but watching Evan Harris makes me want to hit him around the face with a rolled up Range Rover0
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jessop
Fair enough, I know a bit about non league football.
You must take into account why I made my point originally, a senior contributor stated that Cameron had "slammed" Carswell, I was responding with a view that was confirmed by a BBC correspondent.
Internet tiffs are futile but I'm sure you understand why anybody would react to being called a bullshitter. I am, all men are, but on the whole I know when I'm bullshitting.
Best wishes.0 -
In terms of left-inclined voters, it's bound to.Danny565 said:Stephen Bush @stephenkb 2h2 hours ago
The idea that Brexit will help the NHS is starting to do real damage to In, campaigners believe.
Leave will also make headway if they start pushing lines about the cost of housing - both in terms of rental prices in the private market and the cost of home ownership for mortgagors. There's potential to make real ground inside the M25.
It's a one way ticket to leave if the correct messages are relayed.
Leave already have outright owners and social tenants in the bag.0 -
He said "only 300 HMRC staff have been systematically investigating tax evasion"JosiasJessop said:But is that what he said, and is it relevant?
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The classic I am sorry others have a problem style apology...
http://order-order.com/2016/04/13/race-row-channel-4-news-reporters-non-apology/0 -
@PeterMannionMP: Did no-one at #HackedOff think to say "We shd give this one a wide berth or we're going to look like duplicitous shitbags"? #WhittingdaleTheScreamingEagles said:I'm not a violent man but watching Evan Harris makes me want to hit him around the face with a rolled up Range Rover
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Good afternoon, everyone.
Mr. Eagles, one would be willing to lend you usage of the space cannon.
I'm not a grandparent, but if any other member of my family attempted to patronise me into changing my mind it would have quite the opposite effect.0 -
I told leave to stop talking about immigration and focus on other issues as well. Glad they listened.Danny565 said:Stephen Bush @stephenkb 2h2 hours ago
The idea that Brexit will help the NHS is starting to do real damage to In, campaigners believe.
http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2015/12/20/immigration-might-be-the-most-important-issue-facing-the-country-but-it-isnt-the-only-issue/0 -
How many in the DWP total are tea makers?Alistair said:Looking at https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/210244/9549-TSO-HMRC_RA_ACCESSIBLE.pdf they state that 26,000 people work in the HMRC Enforcement and Compliance unit but don't break down how many of those people are inspectors and how many are tea makers.
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Which is why Leave needs to pitch to both camps properly. I think Danny is right about the Remain campaign re-running the 2015 election which is why most of the talking points don't hit home with the Labour voters I know. Staying in the EU so companies can make more money isn't motivating Labour voters to turn out to Leave, but the problem is that Remain can't trumpet the stuff that Labour voters like (ECHR, employee rights, climate change guff etc...) without pushing a whole bunch of Tory voters into the Leave camp.Plato_Says said:What tickles Labour voters isn't the same as Tories or ex Tory Kippers - that's much more focused on our national identity and sovereignty.
Danny565 said:I've always thought that pitching Leave as a vote to "save British public services" (by recouping the money we "send to Brussels" to put into services, stopping services getting privatised by secret trade deals, and stopping services getting "overwhelmed by immigrants") is the main weapon Leave have to get working-class Labour voters on side. Not this abstract rubbish about "sovereignty" and the supremacy of Magna Carta as a principle in itself.
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unless you're puttinh your phone somewhere you probably shouldn't it sounds like it's a thermometer that's doing the work rather than an app...TheScreamingEagles said:
Well there's an app that's as reliable as the contraceptive pillRichard_Nabavi said:
There must be an iPhone app for that, surely?Pulpstar said:Does anyone know a good honest gypsy with a crystal ball I can get in contact with in order to talk to Gran ?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/sex/ive-tried-the-app-thats-as-reliable-as-the-contraceptive-pill/0 -
Fair enough. Let peace break out.blackburn63 said:jessop
Fair enough, I know a bit about non league football.
You must take into account why I made my point originally, a senior contributor stated that Cameron had "slammed" Carswell, I was responding with a view that was confirmed by a BBC correspondent.
Internet tiffs are futile but I'm sure you understand why anybody would react to being called a bullshitter. I am, all men are, but on the whole I know when I'm bullshitting.
Best wishes.0 -
I like the "I know I usually can't be arsed to call you.." intro line, but here's why you should listen to me now approach.Luckyguy1983 said:
Before telling them to f**k off and let her watch Countdown in peace one hopes.Casino_Royale said:
Yes, because voting Leave doesn't mean sabotaging her grandkids future.Pong said:
Granny might hate the EU but is she really going to vote to leave it if it means sabotaging her grandkids' future?SimonStClare said:“Talk to Gran”
Not a good idea, granny hates the EU
"Please don't vote leave" + sad face, coming from one of her beloved grandkids is likely to be the thing she remembers when walking into the voting booth, rather than any of the official campaign arguments.
She might well point out to her grandkids that greater global trade links, controlling migration to reduce housing pressures and increased wages might all benefit them greatly.0 -
Would they not be classified as secretaries?JosiasJessop said:
How many in the DWP total are tea makers?Alistair said:Looking at https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/210244/9549-TSO-HMRC_RA_ACCESSIBLE.pdf they state that 26,000 people work in the HMRC Enforcement and Compliance unit but don't break down how many of those people are inspectors and how many are tea makers.
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I don't see how. Need nurses, nurses want to come, nurses allowed in.MaxPB said:
Well it will reduce health tourism for sure. Might cause staffing issues though.Danny565 said:Stephen Bush @stephenkb 2h2 hours ago
The idea that Brexit will help the NHS is starting to do real damage to In, campaigners believe.0 -
gran: Now Franco, he was a decent man. You can't find men like him these days mores the pity....0
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It was TSE wot won it....TheScreamingEagles said:
I told leave to stop talking about immigration and focus on other issues as well. Glad they listened.Danny565 said:Stephen Bush @stephenkb 2h2 hours ago
The idea that Brexit will help the NHS is starting to do real damage to In, campaigners believe.
http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2015/12/20/immigration-might-be-the-most-important-issue-facing-the-country-but-it-isnt-the-only-issue/0
