What business is it of International Rescue ( aka thunderbirds) to speak out on our referendum? Has he been granted a leave of absence or permission to speak on UK politics?
I am sitting on the fence and will not lose sleep whatever the result is. However I do want to see a unifying post referendum cabinet with David Cameron as it's figurehead
I have no argument with that, we will still have a country that needs running whatever happens, although it would run somewhat happier without Osborne sitting in No11.
Cameron's need to stop pissing around and sort the immigration system out, even if we stay in the EU, perhaps especially if we stay in the EU, at the moment its a disgrace. The EU doesn't stop us processing asylum seekers much faster and chucking out those that fail their appeals, in a few months preferably before they put down roots and can make a claim under Article 8.
He also needs to completely throw away the immigration targets, yes you hear me tear them up and put them in the bin. They are an embarrassment which he has no earthly chance of meeting, and it is causing significant hardship for legal visa applicants at embassies. Our inability to stop illegal immigrants means the government is applying pressure on immigration officers to reject legal applications on the thinnest of pretexts, the number of legal applications reject is up 18% this year, applications which have cost many well qualified third world applicants half a years wages to make, and which having failed wont get their money back.
We also need to scrap the disgraceful rules for minimum income requirements for family visa, which are causing husbands to have to leave wives behind and parents to leave children behind when they want to move back to the UK. Mrs May could use a new job and let someone else have a crack at this mess.
Brexit will mean that we will be cut out of the deal about not having our running shoes lined with lead, or something.
Of course, as any keen sports fan will tell you, ONLY fully signed-up members of the EU can compete in the Champions League, Europa League, Euro Footy Championships, European Athletics, etc., etc.
Brexit will mean that we will be cut out of the deal about not having our running shoes lined with lead, or something.
Of course, as any keen sports fan will tell you, ONLY fully signed-up members of the EU can compete in the Champions League, Europa League, Euro Footy Championships, European Athletics, etc., etc.
I'm a bit worried that Team Sky will be forced to use square wheels in this year's Tour de France,
Still, look on the bright side. Even if the IMF are dead right, one sector which will get an absolute bonanza from Brexit will be the big London law firms. All those zillions of contracts referencing EU law to rewrite...
True, but balanced by no further jollies to Strasbourg and Luxembourg to present cases at ECHR and CJEU
Isn't one of the Voyagers or Pioneers already halfway there (or thereabouts)? Or has it lost enough solar energy to function?
Well they are out of nuclear fuel to function and they are not even a fraction of a light year away after 45 years.
Problem A. Acceleration. Problem B. Deceleration. Problem C. Avoid mid space collisions. Problem D. How to power it.
For it to be manageable or at least practical it has to accelerate to 20% the speed of light and then slow down again from there, and without crashing into anything that can destroy it and all that to get there in 45 years plus the power supply.
Or you can try a version of warp travel.
Best to test that technology, if it's ever developed, inside the solar system which is at least mapped before venturing outside of it.
What the IMF are saying, is if you want some of what Greece had ,come here and get some.We've got mates in the Troika who will let you have some too.We've got you by the balls. Hard to argue with someone who has a poker up your backside and a boot in the mouth too.
Referenda are becoming a huge problem for the EU. The latest result in the Netherlands on the Association Agreement with Ukraine is probably the worst possible outcome. If the turnout had been below 30% the Dutch government could have safely ignored the vote…
Undoubtedly there is a growing trend towards referenda. There have been over 50 in the last twenty years. Sometimes referenda are forced upon governments if there is sufficient voter support, as was the case in the Netherlands… Perhaps it is time for an EU ban on referenda!
Still, look on the bright side. Even if the IMF are dead right, one sector which will get an absolute bonanza from Brexit will be the big London law firms. All those zillions of contracts referencing EU law to rewrite...
EU law won't go away though. UK PLC will still have to comply with EU law in practice, even if we ditch the EU, EFTA and don't even negotiate any form of trade arrangement and remain in splendid isolation - for the simple reason that the EU is still there, on our doorstep, and millions of British subjects and companies will want to continue buying, selling, moving around, marrying, merging with, and generally continuing to engage with EU persons and entities. So they'll have to comply with EU law in doing so, and will have to make sure their products and contracts continue to adhere to EU law.
Which by then we'd have absolutely zilch say over...
Still, look on the bright side. Even if the IMF are dead right, one sector which will get an absolute bonanza from Brexit will be the big London law firms. All those zillions of contracts referencing EU law to rewrite...
I don't think the diehard Leavers realise just how altruistic I'm being in supporting Remain.
It's more a case of us Leavers being nice folks and having a genuine concern about our legal colleagues.
He's right though. Uncertainty over the EU vote IS affecting business confidence and work levels. We can see it first hand in our business.
The sooner we get this out of the way and a Remain vote secured, the better.
Then we can have a proper attempt at renegotiating a few years hence when a ballsier PM comes along...
I'm glad somebody else has said that. Everything I've seen suggests that this referendum is having a catastrophic effect in business confidence, blithe assurances aside. It's a truism that business does not like uncertainty but this is magnified here by having no knowledge of what "out" means in practice.
what a load of rubbish
A modest effect on business confidence? Very likely. Catastrophic? Plainly not.
As a corporate lawyer dealing with externally facing businesses (most of whom are major employers in the UK) in a variety of sectors all I can tell you is that I've seen that there's been a real change in the last 3 months. The lack of certainty about where next is a very real concern. Still, dismissing it as a load of rubbish should deal with it effectively.
My heart bleeds for you. The CORPORATE LAWYERS ARE SUFFERING.
You've convinced me now. REMAIN IT IS.
He's right.
And I wouldn't say corporate lawyers are "suffering", we're plenty busy enough, but it's obvious from our interactions with clients and the market generally that UK PLC is putting transactions on hold because of the uncertainty. It was evident in the run up to GE2015, to a lesser extent though, and it's evident again now. I imagine it will lift post 23 June, whatever the outcome perversely, but it is there and it is right to report it without getting abuse for it...
My business is booming. Unemployment hasn't been affected, we are still growing and the U.K. economy is still doing very well indeed.
There has been a modest fall in the value of Sterling but I think most people simply wouldn't recognise the situation you're describing: politics is, by its very nature, a little bit disruptive.
I don't know you well but there are echoes of your posts from before GE2015 here - you seem to be never happier than when convinced we are doomed.
Which by then we'd have absolutely zilch say over...
Rewind tape.... press play...
Yes, but that is on a rapidly dwindling part of our market, even when we are in the EU, outside it would dwindle even faster as we found new markets.
Inside the EU we have to apply EU law and EU standard to all the products and services we sell, even when selling to non-EU countries and even when the customer has no interest in following the EU rules. On top of that we then have to apply the customers own standards if different.
Outside the EU we can apply the standards that the customer we are selling to wants, so EU standards when selling to the EU, Brazilians standards when selling to Brazil and so forth.
Inside the EU we pick up the cost of applying standards which are not required for the bulk of our customers, and which our non-EU competitors do not need to apply, we are also constrained by EU customs rules, EU tariffs and have to wait for EU trade deals even if they are going to be against our national interest (see the trade deal with Mercosur)
Ryan to "rule out" GOP nomination in speech later, apparently.
IMO, the only thing that will kill the speculation stone-dead is if he proposes the speaker has an "immunity from nomination" clause agreed in the rules when the delegates meet the week before the convention.
Still, look on the bright side. Even if the IMF are dead right, one sector which will get an absolute bonanza from Brexit will be the big London law firms. All those zillions of contracts referencing EU law to rewrite...
EU law won't go away though. UK PLC will still have to comply with EU law in practice, even if we ditch the EU, EFTA ......
Which by then we'd have absolutely zilch say over...
Just like now but we will have billions more for our own priorities.
Isn't one of the Voyagers or Pioneers already halfway there (or thereabouts)? Or has it lost enough solar energy to function?
Well they are out of nuclear fuel to function and they are not even a fraction of a light year away after 45 years.
Problem A. Acceleration. Problem B. Deceleration. Problem C. Avoid mid space collisions. Problem D. How to power it.
For it to be manageable or at least practical it has to accelerate to 20% the speed of light and then slow down again from there, and without crashing into anything that can destroy it and all that to get there in 45 years plus the power supply.
Or you can try a version of warp travel.
Best to test that technology, if it's ever developed, inside the solar system which is at least mapped before venturing outside of it.
B - you don't, it'd be a flyby C - the asteroid belt in our solar system is a problem, but I think alpha Cen is out of the ecliptic so that shouldn't be too much of an issue until you reach the Oort cloud.
I wouldn't be surprised that Tony Blair will come out next to try to persuade Labour voters (and particularly students) to vote and vote Remain.
I hope so. Labour voters thinking of holding their nose to vote for a REMAIN led by Cameron may find that the thought of Blair is just too much to overcome the nausea and will stay at home.
Excellent and balanced thread header yet again from Roger. I am really starting to look forward to these.
Oh and many thanks to Francis for the link to the Stephen Fry interview on the last thread. Excellent viewing and once again confirms why I like Fry so much.
I am sitting on the fence and will not lose sleep whatever the result is. However I do want to see a unifying post referendum cabinet with David Cameron as it's figurehead
I have no argument with that, we will still have a country that needs running whatever happens, although it would run somewhat happier without Osborne sitting in No11.
Cameron's need to stop pissing around and sort the immigration system out, even if we stay in the EU, perhaps especially if we stay in the EU, at the moment its a disgrace. The EU doesn't stop us processing asylum seekers much faster and chucking out those that fail their appeals, in a few months preferably before they put down roots and can make a claim under Article 8.
He also needs to completely throw away the immigration targets, yes you hear me tear them up and put them in the bin. They are an embarrassment which he has no earthly chance of meeting, and it is causing significant hardship for legal visa applicants at embassies. Our inability to stop illegal immigrants means the government is applying pressure on immigration officers to reject legal applications on the thinnest of pretexts, the number of legal applications reject is up 18% this year, applications which have cost many well qualified third world applicants half a years wages to make, and which having failed wont get their money back.
We also need to scrap the disgraceful rules for minimum income requirements for family visa, which are causing husbands to have to leave wives behind and parents to leave children behind when they want to move back to the UK. Mrs May could use a new job and let someone else have a crack at this mess.
Isn't one of the Voyagers or Pioneers already halfway there (or thereabouts)? Or has it lost enough solar energy to function?
Well they are out of nuclear fuel to function and they are not even a fraction of a light year away after 45 years.
Problem A. Acceleration. Problem B. Deceleration. Problem C. Avoid mid space collisions. Problem D. How to power it.
For it to be manageable or at least practical it has to accelerate to 20% the speed of light and then slow down again from there, and without crashing into anything that can destroy it and all that to get there in 45 years plus the power supply.
Or you can try a version of warp travel.
Best to test that technology, if it's ever developed, inside the solar system which is at least mapped before venturing outside of it.
B - you don't, it'd be a flyby C - the asteroid belt in our solar system is a problem, but I think alpha Cen is out of the ecliptic so that shouldn't be too much of an issue until you reach the Oort cloud.
B-you would need extremely good equipment to extract anything meaningful at 20% light speed. C-no one knows what is lurking in the dark between the solar system and A Centauri, we don't even know if there are asteroids orbiting A Centauri, at 20% light speed you would need a very good guidance system plus radar to avoid collisions.
Still, look on the bright side. Even if the IMF are dead right, one sector which will get an absolute bonanza from Brexit will be the big London law firms. All those zillions of contracts referencing EU law to rewrite...
EU law won't go away though. UK PLC will still have to comply with EU law in practice, even if we ditch the EU, EFTA and don't even negotiate any form of trade arrangement and remain in splendid isolation - for the simple reason that the EU is still there, on our doorstep, and millions of British subjects and companies will want to continue buying, selling, moving around, marrying, merging with, and generally continuing to engage with EU persons and entities. So they'll have to comply with EU law in doing so, and will have to make sure their products and contracts continue to adhere to EU law.
Which by then we'd have absolutely zilch say over...
Wrong. Why do you keep repeating these false claims? It really does destroy your credibility as an informed commentator on the issue.
Isn't one of the Voyagers or Pioneers already halfway there (or thereabouts)? Or has it lost enough solar energy to function?
Well they are out of nuclear fuel to function and they are not even a fraction of a light year away after 45 years.
Problem A. Acceleration. Problem B. Deceleration. Problem C. Avoid mid space collisions. Problem D. How to power it.
For it to be manageable or at least practical it has to accelerate to 20% the speed of light and then slow down again from there, and without crashing into anything that can destroy it and all that to get there in 45 years plus the power supply.
Or you can try a version of warp travel.
Best to test that technology, if it's ever developed, inside the solar system which is at least mapped before venturing outside of it.
B - you don't, it'd be a flyby C - the asteroid belt in our solar system is a problem, but I think alpha Cen is out of the ecliptic so that shouldn't be too much of an issue until you reach the Oort cloud.
It's close to Scorpio, but well outside the Ecliptic.
Isn't one of the Voyagers or Pioneers already halfway there (or thereabouts)? Or has it lost enough solar energy to function?
Well they are out of nuclear fuel to function and they are not even a fraction of a light year away after 45 years.
Problem A. Acceleration. Problem B. Deceleration. Problem C. Avoid mid space collisions. Problem D. How to power it.
For it to be manageable or at least practical it has to accelerate to 20% the speed of light and then slow down again from there, and without crashing into anything that can destroy it and all that to get there in 45 years plus the power supply.
Or you can try a version of warp travel.
Best to test that technology, if it's ever developed, inside the solar system which is at least mapped before venturing outside of it.
B - you don't, it'd be a flyby C - the asteroid belt in our solar system is a problem, but I think alpha Cen is out of the ecliptic so that shouldn't be too much of an issue until you reach the Oort cloud.
B-you would need extremely good equipment to extract anything meaningful at 20% light speed. C-no one knows what is lurking in the dark between the solar system and A Centauri, we don't even know if there are asteroids orbiting A Centauri, at 20% light speed you would need a very good guidance system plus radar to avoid collisions.
What makes going at 20% of light speed different for your equipment? In their reference frame they aren't moving. Any information derived would surely be when the probe is still some way out, so tracking would be less of an issue.
As for asteroids in alpha Cen, see my first point. There is probably nothing between us, space is pretty big.
Isn't one of the Voyagers or Pioneers already halfway there (or thereabouts)? Or has it lost enough solar energy to function?
Well they are out of nuclear fuel to function and they are not even a fraction of a light year away after 45 years.
Problem A. Acceleration. Problem B. Deceleration. Problem C. Avoid mid space collisions. Problem D. How to power it.
For it to be manageable or at least practical it has to accelerate to 20% the speed of light and then slow down again from there, and without crashing into anything that can destroy it and all that to get there in 45 years plus the power supply.
Or you can try a version of warp travel.
Best to test that technology, if it's ever developed, inside the solar system which is at least mapped before venturing outside of it.
B - you don't, it'd be a flyby C - the asteroid belt in our solar system is a problem, but I think alpha Cen is out of the ecliptic so that shouldn't be too much of an issue until you reach the Oort cloud.
It's close to Scorpio, but well outside the Ecliptic.
Isn't one of the Voyagers or Pioneers already halfway there (or thereabouts)? Or has it lost enough solar energy to function?
Well they are out of nuclear fuel to function and they are not even a fraction of a light year away after 45 years.
Problem A. Acceleration. Problem B. Deceleration. Problem C. Avoid mid space collisions. Problem D. How to power it.
For it to be manageable or at least practical it has to accelerate to 20% the speed of light and then slow down again from there, and without crashing into anything that can destroy it and all that to get there in 45 years plus the power supply.
Or you can try a version of warp travel.
Best to test that technology, if it's ever developed, inside the solar system which is at least mapped before venturing outside of it.
B - you don't, it'd be a flyby C - the asteroid belt in our solar system is a problem, but I think alpha Cen is out of the ecliptic so that shouldn't be too much of an issue until you reach the Oort cloud.
It's close to Scorpio, but well outside the Ecliptic.
I may be wrong, but I think it's in Centaurus!
Meant to say Scorpio is the nearest Zodiacal constellation.
Isn't one of the Voyagers or Pioneers already halfway there (or thereabouts)? Or has it lost enough solar energy to function?
Well they are out of nuclear fuel to function and they are not even a fraction of a light year away after 45 years.
Problem A. Acceleration. Problem B. Deceleration. Problem C. Avoid mid space collisions. Problem D. How to power it.
For it to be manageable or at least practical it has to accelerate to 20% the speed of light and then slow down again from there, and without crashing into anything that can destroy it and all that to get there in 45 years plus the power supply.
Or you can try a version of warp travel.
Best to test that technology, if it's ever developed, inside the solar system which is at least mapped before venturing outside of it.
B - you don't, it'd be a flyby C - the asteroid belt in our solar system is a problem, but I think alpha Cen is out of the ecliptic so that shouldn't be too much of an issue until you reach the Oort cloud.
It's close to Scorpio, but well outside the Ecliptic.
I may be wrong, but I think it's in Centaurus!
Meant to say Scorpio is the nearest Zodiacal constellation.
Maybe the Hitchhikers Guide To The Galaxy has the appropriate analogy for the EU Referendum
"Yes, so anyway," he resumed, "the idea was that into the first ship, the 'A' ship, would go all the brilliant leaders, the scientists, the great artists, you know, all the achievers; and into the third, or 'C' ship, would go all the people who did the actual work, who made things and did things, and then into the `B' ship - that's us - would go everyone else, the middlemen you see."
Whilst Amazon don't make a profit overall because of their loss leading investment in new business, they may well make a profit in some countries before charges from the parent company for use of brand, patents, loans etc.
Some of these charges from the parent may not reflect a charge for true economic activity elsewhere but the diversion of profits to countries with low tax rates like the Bahamas, or some Swiss cantons. Hence the UK need for a diverted profits tax and limit on interest that companies can offset against tax.
Except the parent company (which gets those charges) is not making a profit. Amazon is not a profitable company and should not be discussed in that category. What should be done is ensuring that VAT is applied to all of Amazon's sales.
I hate the link between corporation tax and sales figures frequently made in the media. Ignorant bastards, VAT is the sales-related tax. *rolleyes*
Tax is levied on individual companies not on consolidated group figures. If the Amazon Uk company is making a profit (adjusting for artificial transfers of costs from the offshore parent) then it should pay tax in the UK regardless of losses made elsewhere.
Of course it should, but I see no evidence that it IS making a profit that is being neutralised and transferred to a loss making organisation offshore. The only evidence that gets widely quoted is "but Amazon is massive and has lots of sales" which is absurd.
Isn't one of the Voyagers or Pioneers already halfway there (or thereabouts)? Or has it lost enough solar energy to function?
Well they are out of nuclear fuel to function and they are not even a fraction of a light year away after 45 years.
Problem A. Acceleration. Problem B. Deceleration. Problem C. Avoid mid space collisions. Problem D. How to power it.
For it to be manageable or at least practical it has to accelerate to 20% the speed of light and then slow down again from there, and without crashing into anything that can destroy it and all that to get there in 45 years plus the power supply.
Or you can try a version of warp travel.
Best to test that technology, if it's ever developed, inside the solar system which is at least mapped before venturing outside of it.
B - you don't, it'd be a flyby C - the asteroid belt in our solar system is a problem, but I think alpha Cen is out of the ecliptic so that shouldn't be too much of an issue until you reach the Oort cloud.
It's close to Scorpio, but well outside the Ecliptic.
I may be wrong, but I think it's in Centaurus!
Meant to say Scorpio is the nearest Zodiacal constellation.
Heh, I was just making a (bad) joke.
Disappointed that you didn't correct me - in astronomy, it should be Scorpius. "Scorpio" is the astrological sign
Vote Leave appear to have finally got their arse in gear: I've received a correctly targetted email for campaigning on Saturday in my locality from 9am - 12pm by my local consistency coordinator.
I did my Masters Thesis on this (in '04) and then at least the historical link between a stocks present stock value and their future dividends was very strong.
Google have never paid a dividend.
In 2004 (ironically) the stock was valued at $54, today it was $736. On average 2 million shares are traded every day, these traders are presumably not waiting for a dividend.
No the traders are pricing in future dividends. If Google (like Amazon) was to stop investing today it could afford to immediately start issuing dividends. The fact it hasn't YET doesn't mean it won't in the future.
Eventually Google and Amazon will reach full maturity and at that point they will be paying dividends. The fact they haven't reached maturity yet does not divorce the two from each other, the shares are still linked to potential future dividends.
Vote Leave appear to have finally got their arse in gear: I've received a correctly targetted email for campaigning on Saturday in my locality from 9am - 12pm by my local consistency coordinator.
I'm hopeful that they've been working hard behind the scenes for a big "go live" push from when they're (hopefully) selected as the official campaign onwards.
Unfortunately that means missing the pre-campaign window for spending £9mn and not accounting for it.
Vote Leave appear to have finally got their arse in gear: I've received a correctly targetted email for campaigning on Saturday in my locality from 9am - 12pm by my local consistency coordinator.
The signs in the tea leaves suggest that VL might have received an unofficial nod that they have got the gig, hence your mailing and the sudden visibility of Cummings after keeping a low profile for months.
Vote Leave appear to have finally got their arse in gear: I've received a correctly targetted email for campaigning on Saturday in my locality from 9am - 12pm by my local consistency coordinator.
The signs in the tea leaves suggest that VL might have received an unofficial nod that they have got the gig, hence your mailing and the sudden visibility of Cummings after keeping a low profile for months.
After this disastrous Remain campaign the one remaining thing preventing me from getting wholeheartedly behind Leave was the fear of Farage's mob getting the nod. This is great news I think if true.
I am not going to back a campaign that is all about shutting our borders. I am not going to back a campaign that is all about how dreadful our country will be if we change course. I am happy to back a campaign that is positive about taking control and responsibility for our own destiny.
Vote Leave is the only positive campaign out of all three.
Vote Leave appear to have finally got their arse in gear: I've received a correctly targetted email for campaigning on Saturday in my locality from 9am - 12pm by my local consistency coordinator.
I'm hopeful that they've been working hard behind the scenes for a big "go live" push from when they're (hopefully) selected as the official campaign onwards.
Unfortunately that means missing the pre-campaign window for spending £9mn and not accounting for it.
What makes going at 20% of light speed different for your equipment? In their reference frame they aren't moving. Any information derived would surely be when the probe is still some way out, so tracking would be less of an issue.
As for asteroids in alpha Cen, see my first point. There is probably nothing between us, space is pretty big.
We don't know. Heck, we're only just finding brown dwarves relatively close by. There could be anything out there: from lone planets and asteroids to dim brown dwarves. Whilst space is big enough to potentially make a collision dangerously possible. Just detecting and plotting these on the way would be good science (tm). And it would not have to be a collision; gravitational forces from unknown bodies or even weird factors such as the Yarkovsky effect could alter a cruising craft's orbit enough to make it miss even a star system.
Then there are the things out there we haven't even thought of yet ...
What would I do? I'd send three or more space telescopes operating in radio, visible light and IR frequencies, some distance apart on the same trajectory. The distance would give a good baseline in the radio. If one gets lost through accident or malfunction, the others can still continue.
We'd probably need to build a massive space-based receiver to pick up the transmission when the probes are far away, as the signals would be exceptionally weak by the time they came home. I guess transmission bandwidth would also be a problem - transmission rates can be very low. It'll take the New Horizons probe sixteen months to send the data it collected in about a week.
Isn't one of the Voyagers or Pioneers already halfway there (or thereabouts)? Or has it lost enough solar energy to function?
Well they are out of nuclear fuel to function and they are not even a fraction of a light year away after 45 years.
Problem A. Acceleration. Problem B. Deceleration. Problem C. Avoid mid space collisions. Problem D. How to power it.
For it to be manageable or at least practical it has to accelerate to 20% the speed of light and then slow down again from there, and without crashing into anything that can destroy it and all that to get there in 45 years plus the power supply.
Or you can try a version of warp travel.
Best to test that technology, if it's ever developed, inside the solar system which is at least mapped before venturing outside of it.
B - you don't, it'd be a flyby C - the asteroid belt in our solar system is a problem, but I think alpha Cen is out of the ecliptic so that shouldn't be too much of an issue until you reach the Oort cloud.
B-you would need extremely good equipment to extract anything meaningful at 20% light speed. C-no one knows what is lurking in the dark between the solar system and A Centauri, we don't even know if there are asteroids orbiting A Centauri, at 20% light speed you would need a very good guidance system plus radar to avoid collisions.
What makes going at 20% of light speed different for your equipment? In their reference frame they aren't moving. Any information derived would surely be when the probe is still some way out, so tracking would be less of an issue.
As for asteroids in alpha Cen, see my first point. There is probably nothing between us, space is pretty big.
Redshift and time dilation will be quite large, I don't know how materials will be affected at that speed. And at 20% light speed even the tiniest particle colliding would release a lot of energy, a defence or deflection mechanism will be necessary.
In any case you would need a lot of testing to ensure that you won't miss your target and go to plaid:
Vote Leave appear to have finally got their arse in gear: I've received a correctly targetted email for campaigning on Saturday in my locality from 9am - 12pm by my local consistency coordinator.
@Casino_Royale : Excuse me sir, can I ask if you would please vote Leave. Passer-by: Why? CR: Freedom to choose your own fish. According to a letter I received recently. PB: With you on the fish, comrade. Anything else? CR: Yep. Sovereignty. No more rule from Brussels. PB: Do you have an example? CR. Not as such, but....Freedom!!!
Isn't it too late for a third party to get on the ballot in all 50 states? I recall, before the primary campaigns started, that polls showed Hillary would lose to a "generic Republican". Unfortunately for the GOP, there is no such animal.
Vote Leave appear to have finally got their arse in gear: I've received a correctly targetted email for campaigning on Saturday in my locality from 9am - 12pm by my local consistency coordinator.
@Casino_Royale : Excuse me sir, can I ask if you would please vote Leave. Passer-by: Why? CR: Freedom to choose your own fish. According to a letter I received recently. PB: With you on the fish, comrade. Anything else? CR: Yep. Sovereignty. No more rule from Brussels. PB: Do you have an example? CR. Not as such, but....Freedom!!!
Just because you aren't bright enough to think of any examples doesn't mean Casino or any other Leave campaigner shares your ignorance.
Mr. Topping, the enormo-haddock find your lack of respect for fish disturbing.
Mr Dancer
a) many congratulations for your publication, as mentioned earlier on here.
b) would they prefer to be lightly grilled with a dash of olive oil, or served deep fried with mushy peas? Just so I can avoid the enormo-haddock social minefield in future posts.
Vote Leave appear to have finally got their arse in gear: I've received a correctly targetted email for campaigning on Saturday in my locality from 9am - 12pm by my local consistency coordinator.
@Casino_Royale : Excuse me sir, can I ask if you would please vote Leave. Passer-by: Why? CR: Freedom to choose your own fish. According to a letter I received recently. PB: With you on the fish, comrade. Anything else? CR: Yep. Sovereignty. No more rule from Brussels. PB: Do you have an example? CR. Not as such, but....Freedom!!!
Just because you aren't bright enough to think of any examples doesn't mean Casino or any other Leave campaigner shares your ignorance.
Your attitude and others like you is one of the reasons why many will vote to remain.
Her point is that he gave himself a tax cut with the 2012 Budget where he cut the top rate from 50p to 45p. Apparently he lied about it at the time, he said he wouldn't benefit from it:
Vote Leave appear to have finally got their arse in gear: I've received a correctly targetted email for campaigning on Saturday in my locality from 9am - 12pm by my local consistency coordinator.
@Casino_Royale : Excuse me sir, can I ask if you would please vote Leave. Passer-by: Why? CR: Freedom to choose your own fish. According to a letter I received recently. PB: With you on the fish, comrade. Anything else? CR: Yep. Sovereignty. No more rule from Brussels. PB: Do you have an example? CR. Not as such, but....Freedom!!!
Just because you aren't bright enough to think of any examples doesn't mean Casino or any other Leave campaigner shares your ignorance.
Your attitude and others like you is one of the reasons why many will vote to remain.
No it really isn't. Topping likes setting up straw men arguments and then trying to knock them down. The trouble is he really isn't very good at it which is why it is so easy to spike his guns.
You on the other hand contribute nothing of value to the argument at all beyond the occasional sarcastic comment. You really are the epitome of pointlessness. Many will vote Leave precisely because of the sort of ignorant arrogance you and your kind display.
Her point is that he gave himself a tax cut with the 2012 Budget where he cut the top rate from 50p to 45p. Apparently he lied about it at the time, he said he wouldn't benefit from it:
Osborne & Little were not paying dividends at that time.
Vote Leave appear to have finally got their arse in gear: I've received a correctly targetted email for campaigning on Saturday in my locality from 9am - 12pm by my local consistency coordinator.
@Casino_Royale : Excuse me sir, can I ask if you would please vote Leave. Passer-by: Why? CR: Freedom to choose your own fish. According to a letter I received recently. PB: With you on the fish, comrade. Anything else? CR: Yep. Sovereignty. No more rule from Brussels. PB: Do you have an example? CR. Not as such, but....Freedom!!!
Yup. That PB actually pledged me his vote.
If you drop me a vanilla I can drop you some canvassing tips, if you like?
Obviously Cameron hasn't learnt from what Ed Matts did down in Dorset South in the 2005 GE!
I'm not too sure the PM and the lizard people personally chose the photograph, although it possible he took the advice of Lord Lucan from the B52 on the moon.
Her point is that he gave himself a tax cut with the 2012 Budget where he cut the top rate from 50p to 45p. Apparently he lied about it at the time, he said he wouldn't benefit from it:
Her point is that he gave himself a tax cut with the 2012 Budget where he cut the top rate from 50p to 45p. Apparently he lied about it at the time, he said he wouldn't benefit from it:
Osborne & Little were not paying dividends at that time.
He did benefit last year from the change in the 2012 budget:
"The chancellor said in 2012 he would not benefit from cutting the top rate of tax from 50p to 45p because he was not in the highest band of people earning more than £150,000 a year. But the dividend and rental income payments on top of his salary in 2014-15 meant he will have benefited from the tax cut last year."
Vote Leave appear to have finally got their arse in gear: I've received a correctly targetted email for campaigning on Saturday in my locality from 9am - 12pm by my local consistency coordinator.
@Casino_Royale : Excuse me sir, can I ask if you would please vote Leave. Passer-by: Why? CR: Freedom to choose your own fish. According to a letter I received recently. PB: With you on the fish, comrade. Anything else? CR: Yep. Sovereignty. No more rule from Brussels. PB: Do you have an example? CR. Not as such, but....Freedom!!!
Just because you aren't bright enough to think of any examples doesn't mean Casino or any other Leave campaigner shares your ignorance.
Your attitude and others like you is one of the reasons why many will vote to remain.
No it really isn't. Topping likes setting up straw men arguments and then trying to knock them down. The trouble is he really isn't very good at it which is why it is so easy to spike his guns.
You on the other hand contribute nothing of value to the argument at all beyond the occasional sarcastic comment. You really are the epitome of pointlessness. Many will vote Leave precisely because of the sort of ignorant arrogance you and your kind display.
Is anyone worthy of debating with you, Richard?
Freedom to choose your fish is on the letter I received from vote Leave or Leave EU or whichever one it was.
what straw men arguments have I set up?
Edit: I am sure of course that @Casino_Royale is eternally grateful to you for helping him/her out in this tricky exchange.
Her point is that he gave himself a tax cut with the 2012 Budget where he cut the top rate from 50p to 45p. Apparently he lied about it at the time, he said he wouldn't benefit from it:
Vote Leave appear to have finally got their arse in gear: I've received a correctly targetted email for campaigning on Saturday in my locality from 9am - 12pm by my local consistency coordinator.
@Casino_Royale : Excuse me sir, can I ask if you would please vote Leave. Passer-by: Why? CR: Freedom to choose your own fish. According to a letter I received recently. PB: With you on the fish, comrade. Anything else? CR: Yep. Sovereignty. No more rule from Brussels. PB: Do you have an example? CR. Not as such, but....Freedom!!!
Just because you aren't bright enough to think of any examples doesn't mean Casino or any other Leave campaigner shares your ignorance.
Your attitude and others like you is one of the reasons why many will vote to remain.
No it really isn't. Topping likes setting up straw men arguments and then trying to knock them down. The trouble is he really isn't very good at it which is why it is so easy to spike his guns.
You on the other hand contribute nothing of value to the argument at all beyond the occasional sarcastic comment. You really are the epitome of pointlessness. Many will vote Leave precisely because of the sort of ignorant arrogance you and your kind display.
Is anyone worthy of debating with you, Richard?
Freedom to choose your fish is on the letter I received from vote Leave or Leave EU or whichever one it was.
what straw men arguments have I set up?
"Do you have an example?" "Not as such"
That is a straw man. I think Casino will be more than capable of coming up with multiple examples.
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Cameron's need to stop pissing around and sort the immigration system out, even if we stay in the EU, perhaps especially if we stay in the EU, at the moment its a disgrace. The EU doesn't stop us processing asylum seekers much faster and chucking out those that fail their appeals, in a few months preferably before they put down roots and can make a claim under Article 8.
He also needs to completely throw away the immigration targets, yes you hear me tear them up and put them in the bin. They are an embarrassment which he has no earthly chance of meeting, and it is causing significant hardship for legal visa applicants at embassies. Our inability to stop illegal immigrants means the government is applying pressure on immigration officers to reject legal applications on the thinnest of pretexts, the number of legal applications reject is up 18% this year, applications which have cost many well qualified third world applicants half a years wages to make, and which having failed wont get their money back.
We also need to scrap the disgraceful rules for minimum income requirements for family visa, which are causing husbands to have to leave wives behind and parents to leave children behind when they want to move back to the UK. Mrs May could use a new job and let someone else have a crack at this mess.
Trump 60 .. Kasich 17 .. Cruz 16
Clinton 50 .. Sanders 37
Clinton 51 .. Trump 35
Sanders 54 .. Trump 32
http://big.assets.huffingtonpost.com/Baruchpoll41016.pdf
Problem A. Acceleration.
Problem B. Deceleration.
Problem C. Avoid mid space collisions.
Problem D. How to power it.
For it to be manageable or at least practical it has to accelerate to 20% the speed of light and then slow down again from there, and without crashing into anything that can destroy it and all that to get there in 45 years plus the power supply.
Or you can try a version of warp travel.
Best to test that technology, if it's ever developed, inside the solar system which is at least mapped before venturing outside of it.
Hard to argue with someone who has a poker up your backside and a boot in the mouth too.
http://order-order.com/2016/04/12/top-eurocrat-time-for-an-eu-ban-on-referenda/
Which by then we'd have absolutely zilch say over...
There has been a modest fall in the value of Sterling but I think most people simply wouldn't recognise the situation you're describing: politics is, by its very nature, a little bit disruptive.
I don't know you well but there are echoes of your posts from before GE2015 here - you seem to be never happier than when convinced we are doomed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTv7UoK8oJY
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-36029685
Yes, but that is on a rapidly dwindling part of our market, even when we are in the EU, outside it would dwindle even faster as we found new markets.
Inside the EU we have to apply EU law and EU standard to all the products and services we sell, even when selling to non-EU countries and even when the customer has no interest in following the EU rules. On top of that we then have to apply the customers own standards if different.
Outside the EU we can apply the standards that the customer we are selling to wants, so EU standards when selling to the EU, Brazilians standards when selling to Brazil and so forth.
Inside the EU we pick up the cost of applying standards which are not required for the bulk of our customers, and which our non-EU competitors do not need to apply, we are also constrained by EU customs rules, EU tariffs and have to wait for EU trade deals even if they are going to be against our national interest (see the trade deal with Mercosur)
https://www.facebook.com/james.cleverly/posts/788469177924519:0
IMO, the only thing that will kill the speculation stone-dead is if he proposes the speaker has an "immunity from nomination" clause agreed in the rules when the delegates meet the week before the convention.
C - the asteroid belt in our solar system is a problem, but I think alpha Cen is out of the ecliptic so that shouldn't be too much of an issue until you reach the Oort cloud.
NBC national poll:
Hillary 38
Trump 36
3rd Party 16
Hillary 37
Cruz 32
3rd Party 19
http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/poll-voters-split-between-clinton-trump-hypothetical-november-matchup-n554306
Oh and many thanks to Francis for the link to the Stephen Fry interview on the last thread. Excellent viewing and once again confirms why I like Fry so much.
C-no one knows what is lurking in the dark between the solar system and A Centauri, we don't even know if there are asteroids orbiting A Centauri, at 20% light speed you would need a very good guidance system plus radar to avoid collisions.
As for asteroids in alpha Cen, see my first point. There is probably nothing between us, space is pretty big.
Trump 55 .. Kasich 20 .. Cruz 19
Clinton 53 .. Sanders 40
https://www.qu.edu/images/polling/ny/ny04122016_Ngr72wd.pdf
Trump 50 .. Kasich 26 .. Cruz 17
Clinton 49 .. Sanders 43
Clinton 48 .. Trump 40
http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/polls/emerson-college-polling-society-24256
C' Ship = Leave
B' Ship = DK/DNV
But that would put Roger on the wrong ship
Eventually Google and Amazon will reach full maturity and at that point they will be paying dividends. The fact they haven't reached maturity yet does not divorce the two from each other, the shares are still linked to potential future dividends.
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Unfortunately that means missing the pre-campaign window for spending £9mn and not accounting for it.
I am not going to back a campaign that is all about shutting our borders.
I am not going to back a campaign that is all about how dreadful our country will be if we change course.
I am happy to back a campaign that is positive about taking control and responsibility for our own destiny.
Vote Leave is the only positive campaign out of all three.
This was never going to be a fair fight.
Then there are the things out there we haven't even thought of yet ...
What would I do? I'd send three or more space telescopes operating in radio, visible light and IR frequencies, some distance apart on the same trajectory. The distance would give a good baseline in the radio. If one gets lost through accident or malfunction, the others can still continue.
We'd probably need to build a massive space-based receiver to pick up the transmission when the probes are far away, as the signals would be exceptionally weak by the time they came home. I guess transmission bandwidth would also be a problem - transmission rates can be very low. It'll take the New Horizons probe sixteen months to send the data it collected in about a week.
http://gizmodo.com/why-itll-take-new-horizons-16-months-to-send-us-this-we-1717769317
But the science would be great.
They have a spreadsheet going right down to ward level it seems.
https://www.londonelects.org.uk/download/file/fid/517
Lib Dem Hereditary Peers by-election:
- 7 candidates
- 3 electors
NB. Not a typo - THREE people have a vote.
See link for the official notice - final page has each candidate's statement.
Must be one of the most bizarre elections ever.
https://www.parliament.uk/documents/publications-records/House-of-Lords-Publications/By-elections/Lords-notice-candidate-list-Apr-2016-Avebury.pdf
Who is standing for the standing-at-the-back-dressed-stupidly-and-looking-stupid-party?
If you haven't got your Occulus Rift yet, then there might be a significant delay.
http://www.polygon.com/2016/4/12/11413174/oculus-rift-launch-delay
It's under AV (of course!) so - draw lots to see who gets eliminated?
Then if that vote can't be reallocated presumably it's draw lots again to decide the final winner?
And at 20% light speed even the tiniest particle colliding would release a lot of energy, a defence or deflection mechanism will be necessary.
In any case you would need a lot of testing to ensure that you won't miss your target and go to plaid:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EH7dDzDWyHk
The problem is you look pretty stupid wearing that on your head.
I don't think it'll replace 'standard' gaming, whether PC/console or mobile stuff, but it will develop in addition to it.
Passer-by: Why?
CR: Freedom to choose your own fish. According to a letter I received recently.
PB: With you on the fish, comrade. Anything else?
CR: Yep. Sovereignty. No more rule from Brussels.
PB: Do you have an example?
CR. Not as such, but....Freedom!!!
I recall, before the primary campaigns started, that polls showed Hillary would lose to a "generic Republican". Unfortunately for the GOP, there is no such animal.
What a hero.
a) many congratulations for your publication, as mentioned earlier on here.
b) would they prefer to be lightly grilled with a dash of olive oil, or served deep fried with mushy peas? Just so I can avoid the enormo-haddock social minefield in future posts.
Mushy peas for other fish is a matter of personal preference. With an enormo-haddock, they're an abomination.
https://twitter.com/YvetteCooperMP/status/719657751756976129
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/george-osborne-cut-tax-rate-7735296
You on the other hand contribute nothing of value to the argument at all beyond the occasional sarcastic comment. You really are the epitome of pointlessness. Many will vote Leave precisely because of the sort of ignorant arrogance you and your kind display.
If you drop me a vanilla I can drop you some canvassing tips, if you like?
Which I'm sure is true - we know the wallpaper business hasn't paid a dividend for many years.
"The chancellor said in 2012 he would not benefit from cutting the top rate of tax from 50p to 45p because he was not in the highest band of people earning more than £150,000 a year. But the dividend and rental income payments on top of his salary in 2014-15 meant he will have benefited from the tax cut last year."
Freedom to choose your fish is on the letter I received from vote Leave or Leave EU or whichever one it was.
what straw men arguments have I set up?
Edit: I am sure of course that @Casino_Royale is eternally grateful to you for helping him/her out in this tricky exchange.
That is a straw man. I think Casino will be more than capable of coming up with multiple examples.