Is there any other possible outcome than the death of the Republic at this point?
Aye, when these people start elevating their deplorability to the sacred, the game probably is fecked. Why couldn't they be happy with line dancing, bumper stickers and bump stocks?
There's nothing wrong with America that a good old fashioned, down home, traditional American Civil War couldn't sort out
I am sure it would have the same cathartic healing effect as a referendum campaign, only better.
To be fair the referendum campaign did have a cathartic healing effect for the Tory Party, eventually. The three plus decades of rancorous Tory divisions on Europe from the late eighties, through Maastricht onwards arguably ended on 04 September 19.
The issue for Cameron etc is in their opinion the 'wrong side' won.
An American Civil War has the same issue. The 'wrong side' would probably win it. 😕
If we get another American Civil War, my money will be on the side of those with the guns, rather than those caught up worrying about critical race theory and transgender rights.
Personally I'd go with the gunships and tanks every time, unless you think those lardasses who dress XXXL from Walmart are going to turn themselves into mujahideen overnight.
Interesting one. Who do you back in a street fight? The lardass who dresses in camouflage to go to the office and hunts and fishes with all his/her free time (both using a high velocity rifle) or the metrosexual who does a killer workout at Gold's gym daily and goat yoga twice a weekend?
I'd go with the guy driving this
Well, yes. Which got me to wondering where the US gets its military personnel from. Not exactly what I presumed:
"Today, contrary to popular myth, members of the U.S. Armed Forces are mostly drawn from the middle class, with the lowest income quintile being slightly underrepresented, and the highest quartile being even less represented, with about 17% of enlisted personnel coming from the top 20% of neighborhoods by income. Further, 92% of accessions to active duty have a high school diploma, compared to 90% of adults age 25 and older."
So, middle class suburbia holds the keys - not the metrosexuals or the lardasses - not just to elections, but also to the military.
Yes - though note middle class means something slightly different in a US context (in the US, it means those in the middle - say, the middle two quartiles or middle three quintiles; while in the UK, it tends to mean roughly the 50th to 99th percentile).
My niece married someone from outside her community.
She's from Yorkshire, he's from Lancashire.
Oh, and she's British-Asian and he's half Italian.
As an aside, a significant proportion of TV adverts now include couples from different ethnicities.
A significant proportion?? Virtually ALL of them, as far as I can see. It has become something of a private joke in advertising circles
Black men with white women is, for whatever reason, much more common than the reverse
Being in that position (white man, black woman), my wife and I joke about how you get mixed-race couples one way and not the other. We’ve come to the conclusion that it’s subliminal sexism on the part of the metrosexual advertising campaign - can’t have a white man with a black woman because it might suggest he “owns” the woman. Other way round is fine in their minds.
that would be because my entirely legitimate predilections would mean that I was fishing in a smaller pool. It would not be because society was anti-gay or homophobic.
Kinabalu would applaud this exact logic when applied to racial differences. In a few years, he'll either be applauding it when it comes to the dating market or - like Graham Linehan - he'll be having bile poured on his head by the people he used to stand alongside.
It's an interesting question. Is it "racist" to have racial dating preferences?
A LOT of people do have these preferences. And they are happy to express it on dating websites in ways they would never do elsewhere
Not sure about “racist” but I think it’s rather sad and a sign of someone who probably won’t find a long term, loving, stable relationship. They’re looking for someone to slot into their existing preferences, that they can project their desires onto.
Love should be about more than that.
The profiles that express racial preferences always come across as sad, let alone bigoted. It's an unpleasant thing to say in public
However there's no denying people have honest preferences, and - as I say - it's hard to condemn for something that is very possibly innate. Like so many women preferring taller men?
Top Tip:
To avoid revealing a racial preference and appearing to be racist, simply add the following to your profile:
What is the utility of publishing polling more than 2 weeks after it is completed? Anybody?
Not particularly that much less than any polls around two years from the next election. They all go into the pot to give us a sense of what the status quo is.
We shouldn't be paying too much attention to short-term changes in the polls anyway, because a lot of the time they're just statistical noise.
Via @Kantar_UKI , 23-27 September, Changes with 23 August.
SKS fans please explain
Sunil?
Jonathon?
Pete?
Al ?
Change leader or get what you deserve
"Change leader or get what you deserve"
Like in 2019, you mean?
Is that relevant in any way?
Yes. It illustrates that if you stick with a leader who looks like a big loser, you lose big.
I agree that we do need to consider whether Starmer is the right person to take Labour into the next GE, but he needs more time to try to climb out of the electoral hole he inherited before we make that decision.
Is there any other possible outcome than the death of the Republic at this point?
Aye, when these people start elevating their deplorability to the sacred, the game probably is fecked. Why couldn't they be happy with line dancing, bumper stickers and bump stocks?
There's nothing wrong with America that a good old fashioned, down home, traditional American Civil War couldn't sort out
I am sure it would have the same cathartic healing effect as a referendum campaign, only better.
To be fair the referendum campaign did have a cathartic healing effect for the Tory Party, eventually. The three plus decades of rancorous Tory divisions on Europe from the late eighties, through Maastricht onwards arguably ended on 04 September 19.
The issue for Cameron etc is in their opinion the 'wrong side' won.
An American Civil War has the same issue. The 'wrong side' would probably win it. 😕
If we get another American Civil War, my money will be on the side of those with the guns, rather than those caught up worrying about critical race theory and transgender rights.
Personally I'd go with the gunships and tanks every time, unless you think those lardasses who dress XXXL from Walmart are going to turn themselves into mujahideen overnight.
Interesting one. Who do you back in a street fight? The lardass who dresses in camouflage to go to the office and hunts and fishes with all his/her free time (both using a high velocity rifle) or the metrosexual who does a killer workout at Gold's gym daily and goat yoga twice a weekend?
My niece married someone from outside her community.
She's from Yorkshire, he's from Lancashire.
Oh, and she's British-Asian and he's half Italian.
As an aside, a significant proportion of TV adverts now include couples from different ethnicities.
A significant proportion?? Virtually ALL of them, as far as I can see. It has become something of a private joke in advertising circles
Black men with white women is, for whatever reason, much more common than the reverse
Being in that position (white man, black woman), my wife and I joke about how you get mixed-race couples one way and not the other. We’ve come to the conclusion that it’s subliminal sexism on the part of the metrosexual advertising campaign - can’t have a white man with a black woman because it might suggest he “owns” the woman. Other way round is fine in their minds.
Hmmm... "my wife" - you're guilty*, I'm afraid
*Not sure of what, exactly. Guilty though. That was obvious when you said you were white
My niece married someone from outside her community.
She's from Yorkshire, he's from Lancashire.
Oh, and she's British-Asian and he's half Italian.
As an aside, a significant proportion of TV adverts now include couples from different ethnicities.
A significant proportion?? Virtually ALL of them, as far as I can see. It has become something of a private joke in advertising circles
Black men with white women is, for whatever reason, much more common than the reverse
Being in that position (white man, black woman), my wife and I joke about how you get mixed-race couples one way and not the other. We’ve come to the conclusion that it’s subliminal sexism on the part of the metrosexual advertising campaign - can’t have a white man with a black woman because it might suggest he “owns” the woman. Other way round is fine in their minds.
My niece married someone from outside her community.
She's from Yorkshire, he's from Lancashire.
Oh, and she's British-Asian and he's half Italian.
As an aside, a significant proportion of TV adverts now include couples from different ethnicities.
A significant proportion?? Virtually ALL of them, as far as I can see. It has become something of a private joke in advertising circles
Black men with white women is, for whatever reason, much more common than the reverse
Being in that position (white man, black woman), my wife and I joke about how you get mixed-race couples one way and not the other. We’ve come to the conclusion that it’s subliminal sexism on the part of the metrosexual advertising campaign - can’t have a white man with a black woman because it might suggest he “owns” the woman. Other way round is fine in their minds.
Also, from the dating app data, we can see that white woman/black man is MUCH more common than the opposite. So they are also kind of reflecting reality, even if they massively "exaggerate" the number of mixed race couples of any kind
that would be because my entirely legitimate predilections would mean that I was fishing in a smaller pool. It would not be because society was anti-gay or homophobic.
Kinabalu would applaud this exact logic when applied to racial differences. In a few years, he'll either be applauding it when it comes to the dating market or - like Graham Linehan - he'll be having bile poured on his head by the people he used to stand alongside.
It's an interesting question. Is it "racist" to have racial dating preferences?
A LOT of people do have these preferences. And they are happy to express it on dating websites in ways they would never do elsewhere
Not sure about “racist” but I think it’s rather sad and a sign of someone who probably won’t find a long term, loving, stable relationship. They’re looking for someone to slot into their existing preferences, that they can project their desires onto.
Love should be about more than that.
The profiles that express racial preferences always come across as sad, let alone bigoted. It's an unpleasant thing to say in public
However there's no denying people have honest preferences, and - as I say - it's hard to condemn for something that is very possibly innate. Like so many women preferring taller men?
Top Tip:
To avoid revealing a racial preference and appearing to be racist, simply add the following to your profile:
Music: like Wagner, dislike Reggae
Books: love My Struggle, dislike Brick Lane
Interests: history, particularly the Third Reich
Movies: Triumph of the Will, Birth of a Nation
You're a peasant. Wagner is wonderful (although a bit dull often). All books are great. The third Reich is one of the most fascinating periods of history. Early German cinema is really interesting.
Via @Kantar_UKI , 23-27 September, Changes with 23 August.
Look at the fieldwork dates, they predate the Conservative conference and most of the Labour conference.
Indeed before Starmer's speech in fact.
Can anyone in the actual world remember anything about SKS's speech except that he kept being interrupted and disagreed with by shouty members of his own party who looked and sounded unelectable and made the party look the same? (Guido helpfully distilled it to 1 minute which saved a lot of time).
JackElphinstone. @ElphinstoneJack The UK's Brexit minister David Frost has warned Joe Biden to stay out of Northern Ireland Brexit talks, branding the president no more than an "interested observer".
Via @Kantar_UKI , 23-27 September, Changes with 23 August.
SKS fans please explain
Sunil?
Jonathon?
Pete?
Al ?
Change leader or get what you deserve
"Change leader or get what you deserve"
Like in 2019, you mean?
Is that relevant in any way?
Yes. It illustrates that if you stick with a leader who looks like a big loser, you lose big.
I agree that we do need to consider whether Starmer is the right person to take Labour into the next GE, but he needs more time to try to climb out of the electoral hole he inherited before we make that decision.
Via @Kantar_UKI , 23-27 September, Changes with 23 August.
Look at the fieldwork dates, they predate the Conservative conference and most of the Labour conference.
Indeed before Starmer's speech in fact.
Can anyone in the actual world remember anything about SKS's speech except that he kept being interrupted and disagreed with by shouty members of his own party who looked and sounded unelectable and made the party look the same? (Guido helpfully distilled it to 1 minute which saved a lot of time).
Is there any other possible outcome than the death of the Republic at this point?
Aye, when these people start elevating their deplorability to the sacred, the game probably is fecked. Why couldn't they be happy with line dancing, bumper stickers and bump stocks?
There's nothing wrong with America that a good old fashioned, down home, traditional American Civil War couldn't sort out
I am sure it would have the same cathartic healing effect as a referendum campaign, only better.
To be fair the referendum campaign did have a cathartic healing effect for the Tory Party, eventually. The three plus decades of rancorous Tory divisions on Europe from the late eighties, through Maastricht onwards arguably ended on 04 September 19.
The issue for Cameron etc is in their opinion the 'wrong side' won.
An American Civil War has the same issue. The 'wrong side' would probably win it. 😕
If we get another American Civil War, my money will be on the side of those with the guns, rather than those caught up worrying about critical race theory and transgender rights.
Personally I'd go with the gunships and tanks every time, unless you think those lardasses who dress XXXL from Walmart are going to turn themselves into mujahideen overnight.
Interesting one. Who do you back in a street fight? The lardass who dresses in camouflage to go to the office and hunts and fishes with all his/her free time (both using a high velocity rifle) or the metrosexual who does a killer workout at Gold's gym daily and goat yoga twice a weekend?
Via @Kantar_UKI , 23-27 September, Changes with 23 August.
Look at the fieldwork dates, they predate the Conservative conference and most of the Labour conference.
Indeed before Starmer's speech in fact.
Can anyone in the actual world remember anything about SKS's speech except that he kept being interrupted and disagreed with by shouty members of his own party who looked and sounded unelectable and made the party look the same? (Guido helpfully distilled it to 1 minute which saved a lot of time).
Has he stopped speaking yet?
'It was actually a short speech, it only took a long time because of all the standing ovations' 😂
that would be because my entirely legitimate predilections would mean that I was fishing in a smaller pool. It would not be because society was anti-gay or homophobic.
Kinabalu would applaud this exact logic when applied to racial differences. In a few years, he'll either be applauding it when it comes to the dating market or - like Graham Linehan - he'll be having bile poured on his head by the people he used to stand alongside.
It's an interesting question. Is it "racist" to have racial dating preferences?
A LOT of people do have these preferences. And they are happy to express it on dating websites in ways they would never do elsewhere
On the recent series of Married At First Sight UK some of the participants were even more specific in their preferences: tall blonds, muscular gym bunnies, etc.
I think the important thing is that you don't try to impose your preferences on others. Don't want to date people from a different background? Your loss. Try to stop your child from doing so? Shut up and keep your bigotry to yourself.
Personally, I was surprised to find myself married to someone with a Music degree. Doing my bit to bridge the divide between the Two Cultures.
Well if you both like Iain M Banks what more do you need?
This reminds me, re your discussion earlier, of the Paul Johnson future history detective series of Edinburgh as Plato's ideal state (no, not that one, the Athenian one). If you didn't have a permanent partner the Council allocated you one at random every fortnight. Certainly solve the incel problem ...
Via @Kantar_UKI , 23-27 September, Changes with 23 August.
Look at the fieldwork dates, they predate the Conservative conference and most of the Labour conference.
Indeed before Starmer's speech in fact.
Can anyone in the actual world remember anything about SKS's speech except that he kept being interrupted and disagreed with by shouty members of his own party who looked and sounded unelectable and made the party look the same? (Guido helpfully distilled it to 1 minute which saved a lot of time).
Has he stopped speaking yet?
I remember a moving bit about his mother in hospital and also a long list of New Labour's achievements under the bloke whose name must never be mentioned at Labour conference.
Via @Kantar_UKI , 23-27 September, Changes with 23 August.
SKS fans please explain
Sunil?
Jonathon?
Pete?
Al ?
Change leader or get what you deserve
"Change leader or get what you deserve"
Like in 2019, you mean?
Is that relevant in any way?
Yes. It illustrates that if you stick with a leader who looks like a big loser, you lose big.
I agree that we do need to consider whether Starmer is the right person to take Labour into the next GE, but he needs more time to try to climb out of the electoral hole he inherited before we make that decision.
My niece married someone from outside her community.
She's from Yorkshire, he's from Lancashire.
Oh, and she's British-Asian and he's half Italian.
As an aside, a significant proportion of TV adverts now include couples from different ethnicities.
Its become very noticable. I understand why, but I'd be amazed if more than 10% of couples were of mixed heritage. I look sadly at my wife and I and start thinking of blacking up* in case I need to buy a sofa...
* A joke. Obviously. Just in case it outrages someone.
What is the utility of publishing polling more than 2 weeks after it is completed? Anybody?
Apart from the well served anoraks of PB what utility are any polls to anyone ever over 2 years before an election? They are essentially unverifiable (except the ones taken immediately before a vote) and every single one until then is regarded, like academic research, as incomplete/tendentious until the next one, which is then incomplete/tendentious in the same way.
Once the media spot this we would have nothing to talk about.
Mixed bag of local by-elections today. Labour defences in Wigan and Falkirk, LD defence in Surrey Heath, and Con defence in Harrow. Wigan and Harrow look like nailed on defences, SNP may take Falkirk, and LDs should just hang on in Surrey.
that would be because my entirely legitimate predilections would mean that I was fishing in a smaller pool. It would not be because society was anti-gay or homophobic.
Kinabalu would applaud this exact logic when applied to racial differences. In a few years, he'll either be applauding it when it comes to the dating market or - like Graham Linehan - he'll be having bile poured on his head by the people he used to stand alongside.
It's an interesting question. Is it "racist" to have racial dating preferences?
A LOT of people do have these preferences. And they are happy to express it on dating websites in ways they would never do elsewhere
Not sure about “racist” but I think it’s rather sad and a sign of someone who probably won’t find a long term, loving, stable relationship. They’re looking for someone to slot into their existing preferences, that they can project their desires onto.
Love should be about more than that.
The profiles that express racial preferences always come across as sad, let alone bigoted. It's an unpleasant thing to say in public
However there's no denying people have honest preferences, and - as I say - it's hard to condemn for something that is very possibly innate. Like so many women preferring taller men?
Top Tip:
To avoid revealing a racial preference and appearing to be racist, simply add the following to your profile:
Music: like Wagner, dislike Reggae
Books: love My Struggle, dislike Brick Lane
Interests: history, particularly the Third Reich
Movies: Triumph of the Will, Birth of a Nation
Nowt wrong with settling in to a box set of the Ring...
Via @Kantar_UKI , 23-27 September, Changes with 23 August.
Look at the fieldwork dates, they predate the Conservative conference and most of the Labour conference.
Indeed before Starmer's speech in fact.
Can anyone in the actual world remember anything about SKS's speech except that he kept being interrupted and disagreed with by shouty members of his own party who looked and sounded unelectable and made the party look the same? (Guido helpfully distilled it to 1 minute which saved a lot of time).
Has he stopped speaking yet?
Yep he has crashed a lorry on Tuesday and taken legal action against Labour supporters for whistleblowing since.
My niece married someone from outside her community.
She's from Yorkshire, he's from Lancashire.
Oh, and she's British-Asian and he's half Italian.
As an aside, a significant proportion of TV adverts now include couples from different ethnicities.
Its become very noticable. I understand why, but I'd be amazed if more than 10% of couples were of mixed heritage. I look sadly and my wife and I and start thinking of blacking up* in case I need to buy a sofa...
* A joke. Obviously. Just in case it outrages someone.
Anyone south and west of Bristol sees very few mixed race couples. Even down on holiday. The ads have obviously been made by someone in that there London....
BTW if anybody didn't see Josh Widdecombe on Who Do You Think You Are? - jaw-dropping is all I can say!!
The White House makes it official and confirms President Biden will travel to Rome for the G20 summit at the end of the month. He’ll also meet with the Pope at the Vatican before heading to Glasgow for a global climate summit. https://twitter.com/kaitlancollins/status/1448655174814224385
We’ll put him down in the “Not arriving at COP26 on a commercial flight” column.
Will Macron or one of the Western European leaders dare to take a Eurostar and WCML train?
As an aside, given rising inflation and rising pension payments, public sector workers are likely to get very unhappy.
No problem. I've read on here that all those public sector workers who don't like having their pay frozen while inflation is rising can move to the high-wage private sector, doing butchery and HGV driving and the like.
Not sure how we're going to fill the resultant gaps in the public sector though. Still, I guess we don't need most public sector jobs.
Is there any other possible outcome than the death of the Republic at this point?
Aye, when these people start elevating their deplorability to the sacred, the game probably is fecked. Why couldn't they be happy with line dancing, bumper stickers and bump stocks?
There's nothing wrong with America that a good old fashioned, down home, traditional American Civil War couldn't sort out
I am sure it would have the same cathartic healing effect as a referendum campaign, only better.
To be fair the referendum campaign did have a cathartic healing effect for the Tory Party, eventually. The three plus decades of rancorous Tory divisions on Europe from the late eighties, through Maastricht onwards arguably ended on 04 September 19.
The issue for Cameron etc is in their opinion the 'wrong side' won.
An American Civil War has the same issue. The 'wrong side' would probably win it. 😕
If we get another American Civil War, my money will be on the side of those with the guns, rather than those caught up worrying about critical race theory and transgender rights.
Personally I'd go with the gunships and tanks every time, unless you think those lardasses who dress XXXL from Walmart are going to turn themselves into mujahideen overnight.
Interesting one. Who do you back in a street fight? The lardass who dresses in camouflage to go to the office and hunts and fishes with all his/her free time (both using a high velocity rifle) or the metrosexual who does a killer workout at Gold's gym daily and goat yoga twice a weekend?
In a civil war, the guys with helicopter gunships. Guns on their own is irrelevant.
Does depend somewhat on the starting number of said helicopter gunships, their resupply, and the number and availability of Stingers or equivalent. I believe that in Vietnam and the latter part of the Soviet time in Afghanistan, helicopter pilots had about the shortest life expectancy within military ranks.
13-30 days life expectancy of a helicopter pilot in Vietnam. Just saying.
The White House makes it official and confirms President Biden will travel to Rome for the G20 summit at the end of the month. He’ll also meet with the Pope at the Vatican before heading to Glasgow for a global climate summit. https://twitter.com/kaitlancollins/status/1448655174814224385
We’ll put him down in the “Not arriving at GOP26 on a commercial flight” column.
My niece married someone from outside her community.
She's from Yorkshire, he's from Lancashire.
Oh, and she's British-Asian and he's half Italian.
As an aside, a significant proportion of TV adverts now include couples from different ethnicities.
Its become very noticable. I understand why, but I'd be amazed if more than 10% of couples were of mixed heritage. I look sadly and my wife and I and start thinking of blacking up* in case I need to buy a sofa...
* A joke. Obviously. Just in case it outrages someone.
Anyone south and west of Bristol sees very few mixed race couples. Even down on holiday. The ads have obviously been made by someone in that there London....
BTW if anybody didn't see Josh Widdecombe on Who Do You Think You Are? - jaw-dropping is all I can say!!
I was frankly amazed that he hadn't an ancestor who was persecuted by the Nazis.
that would be because my entirely legitimate predilections would mean that I was fishing in a smaller pool. It would not be because society was anti-gay or homophobic.
Kinabalu would applaud this exact logic when applied to racial differences. In a few years, he'll either be applauding it when it comes to the dating market or - like Graham Linehan - he'll be having bile poured on his head by the people he used to stand alongside.
It's an interesting question. Is it "racist" to have racial dating preferences?
A LOT of people do have these preferences. And they are happy to express it on dating websites in ways they would never do elsewhere
Not sure about “racist” but I think it’s rather sad and a sign of someone who probably won’t find a long term, loving, stable relationship. They’re looking for someone to slot into their existing preferences, that they can project their desires onto.
Love should be about more than that.
The profiles that express racial preferences always come across as sad, let alone bigoted. It's an unpleasant thing to say in public
However there's no denying people have honest preferences, and - as I say - it's hard to condemn for something that is very possibly innate. Like so many women preferring taller men?
Top Tip:
To avoid revealing a racial preference and appearing to be racist, simply add the following to your profile:
Music: like Wagner, dislike Reggae
Books: love My Struggle, dislike Brick Lane
Interests: history, particularly the Third Reich
Movies: Triumph of the Will, Birth of a Nation
You're a peasant. Wagner is wonderful (although a bit dull often). All books are great. The third Reich is one of the most fascinating periods of history. Early German cinema is really interesting.
I agree that Wagner is wonderful, though never dull. It's the audience that is dull not Wagner. I am over 40 years too late to have a relevant profile, but would it not be the case that if an young man, or woman, popped Wagner on their profile they are probably destined for life as a hermit?
Via @Kantar_UKI , 23-27 September, Changes with 23 August.
SKS fans please explain
Sunil?
Jonathon?
Pete?
Al ?
Change leader or get what you deserve
"Change leader or get what you deserve"
Like in 2019, you mean?
Is that relevant in any way?
Yes. It illustrates that if you stick with a leader who looks like a big loser, you lose big.
I agree that we do need to consider whether Starmer is the right person to take Labour into the next GE, but he needs more time to try to climb out of the electoral hole he inherited before we make that decision.
that would be because my entirely legitimate predilections would mean that I was fishing in a smaller pool. It would not be because society was anti-gay or homophobic.
Kinabalu would applaud this exact logic when applied to racial differences. In a few years, he'll either be applauding it when it comes to the dating market or - like Graham Linehan - he'll be having bile poured on his head by the people he used to stand alongside.
It's an interesting question. Is it "racist" to have racial dating preferences?
A LOT of people do have these preferences. And they are happy to express it on dating websites in ways they would never do elsewhere
Not sure about “racist” but I think it’s rather sad and a sign of someone who probably won’t find a long term, loving, stable relationship. They’re looking for someone to slot into their existing preferences, that they can project their desires onto.
Love should be about more than that.
The profiles that express racial preferences always come across as sad, let alone bigoted. It's an unpleasant thing to say in public
However there's no denying people have honest preferences, and - as I say - it's hard to condemn for something that is very possibly innate. Like so many women preferring taller men?
Top Tip:
To avoid revealing a racial preference and appearing to be racist, simply add the following to your profile:
Music: like Wagner, dislike Reggae
Books: love My Struggle, dislike Brick Lane
Interests: history, particularly the Third Reich
Movies: Triumph of the Will, Birth of a Nation
You're a peasant. Wagner is wonderful (although a bit dull often). All books are great. The third Reich is one of the most fascinating periods of history. Early German cinema is really interesting.
I agree that Wagner is wonderful, though never dull. It's the audience that is dull not Wagner. I am over 40 years too late to have a relevant profile, but would it not be the case that if an young man, or woman, popped Wagner on their profile they are probably destined for life as a hermit?
I'm of the view that an appreciation of Wagner is a huge plus.
Mixed bag of local by-elections today. Labour defences in Wigan and Falkirk, LD defence in Surrey Heath, and Con defence in Harrow. Wigan and Harrow look like nailed on defences, SNP may take Falkirk, and LDs should just hang on in Surrey.
The Wigan defence is Leigh West. Part of the Red Wall indeed, and losing through death a long-time and popular leader of Wigan Council. So. It may not be as nailed on as it appears. This is an area of plenty new build private housing that is rapidly becoming a very outer suburb of Manchester.
that would be because my entirely legitimate predilections would mean that I was fishing in a smaller pool. It would not be because society was anti-gay or homophobic.
Kinabalu would applaud this exact logic when applied to racial differences. In a few years, he'll either be applauding it when it comes to the dating market or - like Graham Linehan - he'll be having bile poured on his head by the people he used to stand alongside.
It's an interesting question. Is it "racist" to have racial dating preferences?
A LOT of people do have these preferences. And they are happy to express it on dating websites in ways they would never do elsewhere
Not sure about “racist” but I think it’s rather sad and a sign of someone who probably won’t find a long term, loving, stable relationship. They’re looking for someone to slot into their existing preferences, that they can project their desires onto.
Love should be about more than that.
The profiles that express racial preferences always come across as sad, let alone bigoted. It's an unpleasant thing to say in public
However there's no denying people have honest preferences, and - as I say - it's hard to condemn for something that is very possibly innate. Like so many women preferring taller men?
Top Tip:
To avoid revealing a racial preference and appearing to be racist, simply add the following to your profile:
Music: like Wagner, dislike Reggae
Books: love My Struggle, dislike Brick Lane
Interests: history, particularly the Third Reich
Movies: Triumph of the Will, Birth of a Nation
You're a peasant. Wagner is wonderful (although a bit dull often). All books are great. The third Reich is one of the most fascinating periods of history. Early German cinema is really interesting.
I agree that Wagner is wonderful, though never dull. It's the audience that is dull not Wagner. I am over 40 years too late to have a relevant profile, but would it not be the case that if an young man, or woman, popped Wagner on their profile they are probably destined for life as a hermit?
Wagner’s music has beautiful moments but bad quarter hours.
Delighted to see all the PB Tories on here celebrating union solidarity in action.
Union may claim the benefit but this is further evidence that restricted immigration lifts wages
Indeed, I would challenge any labour supporter to say they want a return to free movement
You'd have to wonder if this pay rise would have been agreed if Starmer's 100,000 visas had been issued.
While for the benefit of Rochdale, it seems merely a 6.2% "just pay them more" was enough, during a "critical shortage" of labour. Interesting.
You really are resolute that "just pay more" works even when faced with the evidence that it doesn't. Previously you have attacked companies giving 8x more of as rise than this as paying a pittance and yet you're now saying 6% is enough.
For what is it enough? To fix the driver shortage? No. To fix the DHL shortage? No - whatever deal they have done now will not stop their members leaving for other jobs when a lot more is on offer. Which it is because there is a shortage of drivers.
My niece married someone from outside her community.
She's from Yorkshire, he's from Lancashire.
Oh, and she's British-Asian and he's half Italian.
As an aside, a significant proportion of TV adverts now include couples from different ethnicities.
Its become very noticable. I understand why, but I'd be amazed if more than 10% of couples were of mixed heritage. I look sadly at my wife and I and start thinking of blacking up* in case I need to buy a sofa...
* A joke. Obviously. Just in case it outrages someone.
I think it's much less than 10%, yes. A look around my friends reveals, er, no mixed race couples at all. The only ethnic minority friends I have ethnic minority partners (though one couple is Muslim/Sikh, which caused a bit of disquiet amongst some family members). But we were at school in the 80s. There were, what, five ethnic minority children in a year of 150 at my school. I don't think I knew anyone non-white at university. There simply wasn't that much opportunity for my generation to be part of a mixed raced couple. For the generation below, the proportion of non-whites is far greater. I think for that generation - who advertisers are targetting at probably more than me - the proportion of mixed race couples is presumably also therefore significantly greater.
My niece married someone from outside her community.
She's from Yorkshire, he's from Lancashire.
Oh, and she's British-Asian and he's half Italian.
As an aside, a significant proportion of TV adverts now include couples from different ethnicities.
Its become very noticable. I understand why, but I'd be amazed if more than 10% of couples were of mixed heritage. I look sadly at my wife and I and start thinking of blacking up* in case I need to buy a sofa...
* A joke. Obviously. Just in case it outrages someone.
It's fairly common here in engineering. Of my seven best friends from the industry, six married foreigners (if not mixed race). Chinese, Irish, Romanian, 2*German, Italian/Spanish. The seventh was Irish, and married an Englishwoman.
And I married a lovely Turkish lass.
A point to note: all the ladies (and one lad) had excellent English, and had been over here for years. A couple appear to have been pro-Bexit.
Is there any other possible outcome than the death of the Republic at this point?
Aye, when these people start elevating their deplorability to the sacred, the game probably is fecked. Why couldn't they be happy with line dancing, bumper stickers and bump stocks?
There's nothing wrong with America that a good old fashioned, down home, traditional American Civil War couldn't sort out
I am sure it would have the same cathartic healing effect as a referendum campaign, only better.
To be fair the referendum campaign did have a cathartic healing effect for the Tory Party, eventually. The three plus decades of rancorous Tory divisions on Europe from the late eighties, through Maastricht onwards arguably ended on 04 September 19.
The issue for Cameron etc is in their opinion the 'wrong side' won.
An American Civil War has the same issue. The 'wrong side' would probably win it. 😕
If we get another American Civil War, my money will be on the side of those with the guns, rather than those caught up worrying about critical race theory and transgender rights.
Personally I'd go with the gunships and tanks every time, unless you think those lardasses who dress XXXL from Walmart are going to turn themselves into mujahideen overnight.
Interesting one. Who do you back in a street fight? The lardass who dresses in camouflage to go to the office and hunts and fishes with all his/her free time (both using a high velocity rifle) or the metrosexual who does a killer workout at Gold's gym daily and goat yoga twice a weekend?
In a civil war, the guys with helicopter gunships. Guns on their own is irrelevant.
Does depend somewhat on the starting number of said helicopter gunships, their resupply, and the number and availability of Stingers or equivalent. I believe that in Vietnam and the latter part of the Soviet time in Afghanistan, helicopter pilots had about the shortest life expectancy within military ranks.
13-30 days life expectancy of a helicopter pilot in Vietnam. Just saying.
I believe they then thought of armouring them, and most US losses in Iraq/Afghanistan were crashes rather than shootings.
To say more would be to invite an ultracrepidarian bomb from you know who.
The world’s biggest shipping line, @Maersk, said it had to divert some ships from Felixstowe, the UK’s largest container port, due to congestion caused by a trucker shortage 🚛🚢
Definite empty shelves in this corner of north London. By far the worst yet
No bin liners, for some reason
A plastics shortage, perhaps, that might also explain the bottled water problem. But I'm guessing. Round here, bin liners have been awol for some time, though this week I could get a couple of rolls (does that make me a panic buyer or a hoarder?) of some brand I've not seen before. There are also some new types of cat food on the shelves, again suggesting Sainsbury's are scratching around for stock.
Catfood round here tends to mean Aldi Tuna Flakes, which are far less expensive than catfood.
As an aside, given rising inflation and rising pension payments, public sector workers are likely to get very unhappy.
No problem. I've read on here that all those public sector workers who don't like having their pay frozen while inflation is rising can move to the high-wage private sector, doing butchery and HGV driving and the like.
Not sure how we're going to fill the resultant gaps in the public sector though. Still, I guess we don't need most public sector jobs.
Via @Kantar_UKI , 23-27 September, Changes with 23 August.
Look at the fieldwork dates, they predate the Conservative conference and most of the Labour conference.
Indeed before Starmer's speech in fact.
Can anyone in the actual world remember anything about SKS's speech except that he kept being interrupted and disagreed with by shouty members of his own party who looked and sounded unelectable and made the party look the same? (Guido helpfully distilled it to 1 minute which saved a lot of time).
Has he stopped speaking yet?
Yep he has crashed a lorry on Tuesday and taken legal action against Labour supporters for whistleblowing since.
An all action kinda guy
He needs to reinstate Claudia Webbe - not just the whip, but her role deciding whether anti-semite friends of her anti-semite friend the Jeremy should be kicked out of the party.
Via @Kantar_UKI , 23-27 September, Changes with 23 August.
SKS fans please explain
Sunil?
Jonathon?
Pete?
Al ?
Change leader or get what you deserve
"Change leader or get what you deserve"
Like in 2019, you mean?
Is that relevant in any way?
Yes. It illustrates that if you stick with a leader who looks like a big loser, you lose big.
I agree that we do need to consider whether Starmer is the right person to take Labour into the next GE, but he needs more time to try to climb out of the electoral hole he inherited before we make that decision.
The world’s biggest shipping line, @Maersk, said it had to divert some ships from Felixstowe, the UK’s largest container port, due to congestion caused by a trucker shortage 🚛🚢
Definite empty shelves in this corner of north London. By far the worst yet
No bin liners, for some reason
A plastics shortage, perhaps, that might also explain the bottled water problem. But I'm guessing. Round here, bin liners have been awol for some time, though this week I could get a couple of rolls (does that make me a panic buyer or a hoarder?) of some brand I've not seen before. There are also some new types of cat food on the shelves, again suggesting Sainsbury's are scratching around for stock.
Catfood round here tends to mean Aldi Tuna Flakes, which are far less expensive than catfood.
Delighted to see all the PB Tories on here celebrating union solidarity in action.
Union may claim the benefit but this is further evidence that restricted immigration lifts wages
Indeed, I would challenge any labour supporter to say they want a return to free movement
You'd have to wonder if this pay rise would have been agreed if Starmer's 100,000 visas had been issued.
While for the benefit of Rochdale, it seems merely a 6.2% "just pay them more" was enough, during a "critical shortage" of labour. Interesting.
You really are resolute that "just pay more" works even when faced with the evidence that it doesn't. Previously you have attacked companies giving 8x more of as rise than this as paying a pittance and yet you're now saying 6% is enough.
For what is it enough? To fix the driver shortage? No. To fix the DHL shortage? No - whatever deal they have done now will not stop their members leaving for other jobs when a lot more is on offer. Which it is because there is a shortage of drivers.
6% in the current circumstance is a pittance but maybe they had better terms and conditions to begin with? I don't know the details.
If there is a shortage of drivers then pay more and train more. Not rocket science.
Via @Kantar_UKI , 23-27 September, Changes with 23 August.
SKS fans please explain
Sunil?
Jonathon?
Pete?
Al ?
Change leader or get what you deserve
"Change leader or get what you deserve"
Like in 2019, you mean?
Is that relevant in any way?
Yes. It illustrates that if you stick with a leader who looks like a big loser, you lose big.
I agree that we do need to consider whether Starmer is the right person to take Labour into the next GE, but he needs more time to try to climb out of the electoral hole he inherited before we make that decision.
The world’s biggest shipping line, @Maersk, said it had to divert some ships from Felixstowe, the UK’s largest container port, due to congestion caused by a trucker shortage 🚛🚢
Definite empty shelves in this corner of north London. By far the worst yet
No bin liners, for some reason
A plastics shortage, perhaps, that might also explain the bottled water problem. But I'm guessing. Round here, bin liners have been awol for some time, though this week I could get a couple of rolls (does that make me a panic buyer or a hoarder?) of some brand I've not seen before. There are also some new types of cat food on the shelves, again suggesting Sainsbury's are scratching around for stock.
Catfood round here tends to mean Aldi Tuna Flakes, which are far less expensive than catfood.
Isn't tuna bad for cats?
Is it? Cats don't appear to think so. It's like cocaine to them. Which maybe proves your point.
It just seems to point out that her role in the LGBT Alliance conflicts with the policy of her University, and also the position of the Union and Labour Party.
I think you’ve added a letter there that is key to the whole furore
Yes, autocorrect....
The question is whether her role in an organisation opposing Trans rights and access is compatible with her universities policy.
The debate is whether LGB are opposed to trans rights or are in favour LGB rights - for example "the cotton ceiling" and whether lesbians should be expected to have sex with trans-women, with penises, and those who demure are "trans-phobic".
Also Stock's position on gender recognition is mis-represented by her critics:
This lie was repeated on a BBC programme, and I hope to get a correction. If this student had actually read what I write, they'd know I support the RETENTION of the Gender Recognition Act as is.
"Given that the GRA was introduced largely to solve problems relating to marriage, which no longer exist, there are good grounds for repealing"
You missed a bit:
However, since this may be deemed unfeasible, it is crucial to make it clear that what is referred to as “gender” means “legal (or fictional) sex”. The words “gender” and “gender identity” should be removed from legislation since they are impossible to define.
Ah, so they want to change the GRA?
Seems at odds with Stocks firm insistence that she does not want to change the GRA. No wonder people think she wants to change the GRA. What with being part of a group who want to change the GRA
You said repeal, not change. Change is not repeal.
Anyway doesn't Nicola Sturgeon want to change the GRA too? Does that mean Nicola Sturgeon should be No Platformed too? Or is that a good and acceptable change?
that would be because my entirely legitimate predilections would mean that I was fishing in a smaller pool. It would not be because society was anti-gay or homophobic.
Kinabalu would applaud this exact logic when applied to racial differences. In a few years, he'll either be applauding it when it comes to the dating market or - like Graham Linehan - he'll be having bile poured on his head by the people he used to stand alongside.
It's an interesting question. Is it "racist" to have racial dating preferences?
A LOT of people do have these preferences. And they are happy to express it on dating websites in ways they would never do elsewhere
Not sure about “racist” but I think it’s rather sad and a sign of someone who probably won’t find a long term, loving, stable relationship. They’re looking for someone to slot into their existing preferences, that they can project their desires onto.
Love should be about more than that.
The profiles that express racial preferences always come across as sad, let alone bigoted. It's an unpleasant thing to say in public
However there's no denying people have honest preferences, and - as I say - it's hard to condemn for something that is very possibly innate. Like so many women preferring taller men?
Top Tip:
To avoid revealing a racial preference and appearing to be racist, simply add the following to your profile:
Music: like Wagner, dislike Reggae
Books: love My Struggle, dislike Brick Lane
Interests: history, particularly the Third Reich
Movies: Triumph of the Will, Birth of a Nation
You're a peasant. Wagner is wonderful (although a bit dull often). All books are great. The third Reich is one of the most fascinating periods of history. Early German cinema is really interesting.
I agree that Wagner is wonderful, though never dull. It's the audience that is dull not Wagner. I am over 40 years too late to have a relevant profile, but would it not be the case that if an young man, or woman, popped Wagner on their profile they are probably destined for life as a hermit?
Wagner’s music has beautiful moments but bad quarter hours.
So Rossini said, but then he wrote lots of lightweight cheese.
My niece married someone from outside her community.
She's from Yorkshire, he's from Lancashire.
Oh, and she's British-Asian and he's half Italian.
As an aside, a significant proportion of TV adverts now include couples from different ethnicities.
A significant proportion?? Virtually ALL of them, as far as I can see. It has become something of a private joke in advertising circles
Black men with white women is, for whatever reason, much more common than the reverse
“Interacial”, as I’m sure you know, is a popular category in adult videos - and one for which the white lady actress can expect to be paid extra, compared to acting with a white man. Is that racist?
When I first stumbled into here you were almost a lone voice of the left - the left left, I mean, as opposed to this "of centre" malarkey - yet here you are now teetering on the very edge of torydom. It's really something. It rivals William Glenn and his intra-tory "Ken Clarke to Bill Cash" journey in speed and distance traveled.
Arguably BJO has stayed where he was. The Tories have become the party of public spending. Which is why many on the Cameroon right have drifted away.
I'm not sure they have. What they've done is spent in emergency response to an emergency. The test comes with how they approach the payback. Will the "broadest shoulders" bear the brunt? That means taxing wealth and high incomes. I bet you this doesn't happen. How they chose to fund the NHS backlog clearance was a tell imo.
Is there any other possible outcome than the death of the Republic at this point?
Aye, when these people start elevating their deplorability to the sacred, the game probably is fecked. Why couldn't they be happy with line dancing, bumper stickers and bump stocks?
There's nothing wrong with America that a good old fashioned, down home, traditional American Civil War couldn't sort out
I am sure it would have the same cathartic healing effect as a referendum campaign, only better.
To be fair the referendum campaign did have a cathartic healing effect for the Tory Party, eventually. The three plus decades of rancorous Tory divisions on Europe from the late eighties, through Maastricht onwards arguably ended on 04 September 19.
The issue for Cameron etc is in their opinion the 'wrong side' won.
An American Civil War has the same issue. The 'wrong side' would probably win it. 😕
If we get another American Civil War, my money will be on the side of those with the guns, rather than those caught up worrying about critical race theory and transgender rights.
Personally I'd go with the gunships and tanks every time, unless you think those lardasses who dress XXXL from Walmart are going to turn themselves into mujahideen overnight.
Interesting one. Who do you back in a street fight? The lardass who dresses in camouflage to go to the office and hunts and fishes with all his/her free time (both using a high velocity rifle) or the metrosexual who does a killer workout at Gold's gym daily and goat yoga twice a weekend?
In a civil war, the guys with helicopter gunships. Guns on their own is irrelevant.
Does depend somewhat on the starting number of said helicopter gunships, their resupply, and the number and availability of Stingers or equivalent. I believe that in Vietnam and the latter part of the Soviet time in Afghanistan, helicopter pilots had about the shortest life expectancy within military ranks.
13-30 days life expectancy of a helicopter pilot in Vietnam. Just saying.
I believe they then thought of armouring them, and most US losses in Iraq/Afghanistan were crashes rather than shootings.
To say more would be to invite an ultracrepidarian bomb from you know who.
LOL. And thanks. I was trying to remember the new word I learned the other day. All I could remember was that it began with ultra.
My niece married someone from outside her community.
She's from Yorkshire, he's from Lancashire.
Oh, and she's British-Asian and he's half Italian.
As an aside, a significant proportion of TV adverts now include couples from different ethnicities.
A significant proportion?? Virtually ALL of them, as far as I can see. It has become something of a private joke in advertising circles
Black men with white women is, for whatever reason, much more common than the reverse
“Interacial”, as I’m sure you know, is a popular category in adult videos - and one for which the white lady actress can expect to be paid extra, compared to acting with a white man. Is that racist?
If we're going to get into discussions of the adult category, then shouldn't we be more concerned with interfamilial?
Mixed bag of local by-elections today. Labour defences in Wigan and Falkirk, LD defence in Surrey Heath, and Con defence in Harrow. Wigan and Harrow look like nailed on defences, SNP may take Falkirk, and LDs should just hang on in Surrey.
The Wigan defence is Leigh West. Part of the Red Wall indeed, and losing through death a long-time and popular leader of Wigan Council. So. It may not be as nailed on as it appears. This is an area of plenty new build private housing that is rapidly becoming a very outer suburb of Manchester.
Interesting. Traditionally, I never expect governing parties to gain. But this is interesting territory for the Conservatives, for the reasons you say. Greater Manchester's planning document Places for Everyone is also proving something of a headache for incumbent parties in the councils across Greater Manchester (though magically, Andy Burnham has sailed serenely above the political pain this has caused.)
Is there any other possible outcome than the death of the Republic at this point?
Aye, when these people start elevating their deplorability to the sacred, the game probably is fecked. Why couldn't they be happy with line dancing, bumper stickers and bump stocks?
There's nothing wrong with America that a good old fashioned, down home, traditional American Civil War couldn't sort out
I am sure it would have the same cathartic healing effect as a referendum campaign, only better.
To be fair the referendum campaign did have a cathartic healing effect for the Tory Party, eventually. The three plus decades of rancorous Tory divisions on Europe from the late eighties, through Maastricht onwards arguably ended on 04 September 19.
The issue for Cameron etc is in their opinion the 'wrong side' won.
An American Civil War has the same issue. The 'wrong side' would probably win it. 😕
If we get another American Civil War, my money will be on the side of those with the guns, rather than those caught up worrying about critical race theory and transgender rights.
Personally I'd go with the gunships and tanks every time, unless you think those lardasses who dress XXXL from Walmart are going to turn themselves into mujahideen overnight.
Interesting one. Who do you back in a street fight? The lardass who dresses in camouflage to go to the office and hunts and fishes with all his/her free time (both using a high velocity rifle) or the metrosexual who does a killer workout at Gold's gym daily and goat yoga twice a weekend?
All of that's irrelevant. The one who has been in the most fights before will usually win. First time brawlers are often shocked into paralysis by pain.
Slightly ominous increase in admissions too, up 11% week on week.
Eek
Why eek? Have been reassured by people on here repeatedly that Covid is Over. That the months of sustained 30-40k new cases a day is no concern. That if anything it would be good if we went out and caught Covid.
Surely the pray the pox away argument can't be false?
that would be because my entirely legitimate predilections would mean that I was fishing in a smaller pool. It would not be because society was anti-gay or homophobic.
Kinabalu would applaud this exact logic when applied to racial differences. In a few years, he'll either be applauding it when it comes to the dating market or - like Graham Linehan - he'll be having bile poured on his head by the people he used to stand alongside.
It's an interesting question. Is it "racist" to have racial dating preferences?
A LOT of people do have these preferences. And they are happy to express it on dating websites in ways they would never do elsewhere
Not sure about “racist” but I think it’s rather sad and a sign of someone who probably won’t find a long term, loving, stable relationship. They’re looking for someone to slot into their existing preferences, that they can project their desires onto.
Love should be about more than that.
The profiles that express racial preferences always come across as sad, let alone bigoted. It's an unpleasant thing to say in public
However there's no denying people have honest preferences, and - as I say - it's hard to condemn for something that is very possibly innate. Like so many women preferring taller men?
Top Tip:
To avoid revealing a racial preference and appearing to be racist, simply add the following to your profile:
Music: like Wagner, dislike Reggae
Books: love My Struggle, dislike Brick Lane
Interests: history, particularly the Third Reich
Movies: Triumph of the Will, Birth of a Nation
You're a peasant. Wagner is wonderful (although a bit dull often). All books are great. The third Reich is one of the most fascinating periods of history. Early German cinema is really interesting.
I agree that Wagner is wonderful, though never dull. It's the audience that is dull not Wagner. I am over 40 years too late to have a relevant profile, but would it not be the case that if an young man, or woman, popped Wagner on their profile they are probably destined for life as a hermit?
Wagner’s music has beautiful moments but bad quarter hours.
There was an interesting if slightly eccentric programme on BBC4 titled 'We Want The Light: Jews and German Music' a couple of weeks ago, unsurprisingly Wagner figured prominently. No doubt he was a bad lad and he certainly still inspires very strong opinions among Jewish people; if I recall correctly Norman Lebrecht was particularly vituperative while Daniel Barenboim was very measured.
Via @Kantar_UKI , 23-27 September, Changes with 23 August.
SKS fans please explain
Sunil?
Jonathon?
Pete?
Al ?
Change leader or get what you deserve
"Change leader or get what you deserve"
Like in 2019, you mean?
Is that relevant in any way?
Yes. It illustrates that if you stick with a leader who looks like a big loser, you lose big.
I agree that we do need to consider whether Starmer is the right person to take Labour into the next GE, but he needs more time to try to climb out of the electoral hole he inherited before we make that decision.
Slightly ominous increase in admissions too, up 11% week on week.
Eek
Why eek? Have been reassured by people on here repeatedly that Covid is Over. That the months of sustained 30-40k new cases a day is no concern. That if anything it would be good if we went out and caught Covid.
Surely the pray the pox away argument can't be false?
Mid October, 45k cases a day. That's heading for 100k a day by December, if not 200k
Why have we not got vaxports? We need 85% of the country jabbed NOW. And boosters.
Slightly ominous increase in admissions too, up 11% week on week.
Eek
Why eek? Have been reassured by people on here repeatedly that Covid is Over. That the months of sustained 30-40k new cases a day is no concern. That if anything it would be good if we went out and caught Covid.
Surely the pray the pox away argument can't be false?
I think the reason for the Eek is that Leon has a tendency to be melodramatic.
Pray anything away is always ridiculous.
Vaccinate and learn to live with it on the other hand . . .
Slightly ominous increase in admissions too, up 11% week on week.
Eek
Why eek? Have been reassured by people on here repeatedly that Covid is Over. That the months of sustained 30-40k new cases a day is no concern. That if anything it would be good if we went out and caught Covid.
Surely the pray the pox away argument can't be false?
Is that the UK now more than double the daily cases of the entire EU?
Slightly ominous increase in admissions too, up 11% week on week.
Eek
Why eek? Have been reassured by people on here repeatedly that Covid is Over. That the months of sustained 30-40k new cases a day is no concern. That if anything it would be good if we went out and caught Covid.
Surely the pray the pox away argument can't be false?
I think the reason for the Eek is that Leon has a tendency to be melodramatic.
Pray anything away is always ridiculous.
Vaccinate and learn to live with it on the other hand . . .
Mr. Leon, because vaccine passports are a ridiculous idea.
People who want to be jabbed are jabbed. The purpose of vaccination is to return us to normality, not as a pretext to have the state impose controls over how we work, and socialise, and so they can track us wherever we might be.
If a lockdown is needed, then lockdown. If vaccines work sufficiently, 'passports' (papers, please) are not needed.
There is no justification for a state power grab that will be absolutely ripe for mission creep.
Slightly ominous increase in admissions too, up 11% week on week.
Eek
Why eek? Have been reassured by people on here repeatedly that Covid is Over. That the months of sustained 30-40k new cases a day is no concern. That if anything it would be good if we went out and caught Covid.
Surely the pray the pox away argument can't be false?
Is that the UK now more than double the daily cases of the entire EU?
Mr. Leon, because vaccine passports are a ridiculous idea.
People who want to be jabbed are jabbed. The purpose of vaccination is to return us to normality, not as a pretext to have the state impose controls over how we work, and socialise, and so they can track us wherever we might be.
If a lockdown is needed, then lockdown. If vaccines work sufficiently, 'passports' (papers, please) are not needed.
There is no justification for a state power grab that will be absolutely ripe for mission creep.
Vaxports are a way of AVOIDING another lockdown, because lockdown is far far worse, and a much greater imposition of state power
Portugal has 85% jabbed, and yesterday they had 900 cases and 8 deaths
that would be because my entirely legitimate predilections would mean that I was fishing in a smaller pool. It would not be because society was anti-gay or homophobic.
Kinabalu would applaud this exact logic when applied to racial differences. In a few years, he'll either be applauding it when it comes to the dating market or - like Graham Linehan - he'll be having bile poured on his head by the people he used to stand alongside.
It's an interesting question. Is it "racist" to have racial dating preferences?
A LOT of people do have these preferences. And they are happy to express it on dating websites in ways they would never do elsewhere
Not sure about “racist” but I think it’s rather sad and a sign of someone who probably won’t find a long term, loving, stable relationship. They’re looking for someone to slot into their existing preferences, that they can project their desires onto.
Love should be about more than that.
The profiles that express racial preferences always come across as sad, let alone bigoted. It's an unpleasant thing to say in public
However there's no denying people have honest preferences, and - as I say - it's hard to condemn for something that is very possibly innate. Like so many women preferring taller men?
Top Tip:
To avoid revealing a racial preference and appearing to be racist, simply add the following to your profile:
Music: like Wagner, dislike Reggae
Books: love My Struggle, dislike Brick Lane
Interests: history, particularly the Third Reich
Movies: Triumph of the Will, Birth of a Nation
You're a peasant. Wagner is wonderful (although a bit dull often). All books are great. The third Reich is one of the most fascinating periods of history. Early German cinema is really interesting.
I agree that Wagner is wonderful, though never dull. It's the audience that is dull not Wagner. I am over 40 years too late to have a relevant profile, but would it not be the case that if an young man, or woman, popped Wagner on their profile they are probably destined for life as a hermit?
Wagner’s music has beautiful moments but bad quarter hours.
There was an interesting if slightly eccentric programme on BBC4 titled 'We Want The Light: Jews and German Music' a couple of weeks ago, unsurprisingly Wagner figured prominently. No doubt he was a bad lad and he certainly still inspires very strong opinions among Jewish people; if I recall correctly Norman Lebrecht was particularly vituperative while Daniel Barenboim was very measured.
There's a difference. Barenboim has recorded the Ring and Lebrecht hasn't.
Wagner is to music as Emily Bronte is to the novel. Or Nietzsche to philosophy. Always disturbing, and nothing in the field is ever quite the same since.
The increasing number of towns whose urban areas far lower COVID rates than their outer environs is getting very obvious. It does look for all the world like filling in is going on. Although HMG should be acting in accordance with the figures as they stand today, it is a promising sign.
English towns that are clearly showing such an effect:
Some towns are showing more ambiguous signals, some are not showing signals at all: Norwich, Southampton, Barrow and Peterborough or the weak Middlesbrough signal for example.
The wider areas with very low rates are interesting too, broadly North and East Kent and the wider Cheltenham/Gloucester area.
Many places have been noted for their particular COVID patterns at different times, and those places are very well represented on this clod spots list.
Via @Kantar_UKI , 23-27 September, Changes with 23 August.
Look at the fieldwork dates, they predate the Conservative conference and most of the Labour conference.
Indeed before Starmer's speech in fact.
Can anyone in the actual world remember anything about SKS's speech except that he kept being interrupted and disagreed with by shouty members of his own party who looked and sounded unelectable and made the party look the same? (Guido helpfully distilled it to 1 minute which saved a lot of time).
Has he stopped speaking yet?
Yep he has crashed a lorry on Tuesday and taken legal action against Labour supporters for whistleblowing since.
An all action kinda guy
He needs to reinstate Claudia Webbe - not just the whip, but her role deciding whether anti-semite friends of her anti-semite friend the Jeremy should be kicked out of the party.
Oh and he has formed a new diversity panel as well to tackle racism.
No Blacks and nobody of Asian extraction. In fact everybody is white
Slightly ominous increase in admissions too, up 11% week on week.
Eek
Why eek? Have been reassured by people on here repeatedly that Covid is Over. That the months of sustained 30-40k new cases a day is no concern. That if anything it would be good if we went out and caught Covid.
Surely the pray the pox away argument can't be false?
I think the reason for the Eek is that Leon has a tendency to be melodramatic.
Pray anything away is always ridiculous.
Vaccinate and learn to live with it on the other hand . . .
Slightly ominous increase in admissions too, up 11% week on week.
Eek
Why eek? Have been reassured by people on here repeatedly that Covid is Over. That the months of sustained 30-40k new cases a day is no concern. That if anything it would be good if we went out and caught Covid.
Surely the pray the pox away argument can't be false?
Is that the UK now more than double the daily cases of the entire EU?
No its not. But the EU isn't testing and finding its cases in the way the UK is. The UK should copy the EU in this instance and stop all this incessant testing.
My niece married someone from outside her community.
She's from Yorkshire, he's from Lancashire.
Oh, and she's British-Asian and he's half Italian.
As an aside, a significant proportion of TV adverts now include couples from different ethnicities.
A significant proportion?? Virtually ALL of them, as far as I can see. It has become something of a private joke in advertising circles
Black men with white women is, for whatever reason, much more common than the reverse
“Interacial”, as I’m sure you know, is a popular category in adult videos - and one for which the white lady actress can expect to be paid extra, compared to acting with a white man. Is that racist?
If we're going to get into discussions of the adult category, then shouldn't we be more concerned with interfamilial?
That’s just very weird - but apparently is really popular in the USA, as in the most requested to producers from their paying customers.
Which I understand about as much as I understand paying $77k a year in property taxes.
that would be because my entirely legitimate predilections would mean that I was fishing in a smaller pool. It would not be because society was anti-gay or homophobic.
Kinabalu would applaud this exact logic when applied to racial differences. In a few years, he'll either be applauding it when it comes to the dating market or - like Graham Linehan - he'll be having bile poured on his head by the people he used to stand alongside.
It's an interesting question. Is it "racist" to have racial dating preferences?
A LOT of people do have these preferences. And they are happy to express it on dating websites in ways they would never do elsewhere
Not sure about “racist” but I think it’s rather sad and a sign of someone who probably won’t find a long term, loving, stable relationship. They’re looking for someone to slot into their existing preferences, that they can project their desires onto.
Love should be about more than that.
The profiles that express racial preferences always come across as sad, let alone bigoted. It's an unpleasant thing to say in public
However there's no denying people have honest preferences, and - as I say - it's hard to condemn for something that is very possibly innate. Like so many women preferring taller men?
Top Tip:
To avoid revealing a racial preference and appearing to be racist, simply add the following to your profile:
Music: like Wagner, dislike Reggae
Books: love My Struggle, dislike Brick Lane
Interests: history, particularly the Third Reich
Movies: Triumph of the Will, Birth of a Nation
You're a peasant. Wagner is wonderful (although a bit dull often). All books are great. The third Reich is one of the most fascinating periods of history. Early German cinema is really interesting.
I agree that Wagner is wonderful, though never dull. It's the audience that is dull not Wagner. I am over 40 years too late to have a relevant profile, but would it not be the case that if an young man, or woman, popped Wagner on their profile they are probably destined for life as a hermit?
I'd not like to have friends that wouldn't want me to have a likening for Wagner. I'd not to like to exclude from my friends that disapprove.
My niece married someone from outside her community.
She's from Yorkshire, he's from Lancashire.
Oh, and she's British-Asian and he's half Italian.
As an aside, a significant proportion of TV adverts now include couples from different ethnicities.
A significant proportion?? Virtually ALL of them, as far as I can see. It has become something of a private joke in advertising circles
Black men with white women is, for whatever reason, much more common than the reverse
“Interacial”, as I’m sure you know, is a popular category in adult videos - and one for which the white lady actress can expect to be paid extra, compared to acting with a white man. Is that racist?
If we're going to get into discussions of the adult category, then shouldn't we be more concerned with interfamilial?
That’s just very weird - but apparently is really popular in the USA, as in the most requested to producers from their paying customers.
Which I understand about as much as I understand paying $77k a year in property taxes.
Indeed, I don't get it and find it deeply disturbing.
that would be because my entirely legitimate predilections would mean that I was fishing in a smaller pool. It would not be because society was anti-gay or homophobic.
Kinabalu would applaud this exact logic when applied to racial differences. In a few years, he'll either be applauding it when it comes to the dating market or - like Graham Linehan - he'll be having bile poured on his head by the people he used to stand alongside.
It's an interesting question. Is it "racist" to have racial dating preferences?
A LOT of people do have these preferences. And they are happy to express it on dating websites in ways they would never do elsewhere
Not sure about “racist” but I think it’s rather sad and a sign of someone who probably won’t find a long term, loving, stable relationship. They’re looking for someone to slot into their existing preferences, that they can project their desires onto.
Love should be about more than that.
The profiles that express racial preferences always come across as sad, let alone bigoted. It's an unpleasant thing to say in public
However there's no denying people have honest preferences, and - as I say - it's hard to condemn for something that is very possibly innate. Like so many women preferring taller men?
Top Tip:
To avoid revealing a racial preference and appearing to be racist, simply add the following to your profile:
Music: like Wagner, dislike Reggae
Books: love My Struggle, dislike Brick Lane
Interests: history, particularly the Third Reich
Movies: Triumph of the Will, Birth of a Nation
You're a peasant. Wagner is wonderful (although a bit dull often). All books are great. The third Reich is one of the most fascinating periods of history. Early German cinema is really interesting.
I agree that Wagner is wonderful, though never dull. It's the audience that is dull not Wagner. I am over 40 years too late to have a relevant profile, but would it not be the case that if an young man, or woman, popped Wagner on their profile they are probably destined for life as a hermit?
Wagner’s music has beautiful moments but bad quarter hours.
There was an interesting if slightly eccentric programme on BBC4 titled 'We Want The Light: Jews and German Music' a couple of weeks ago, unsurprisingly Wagner figured prominently. No doubt he was a bad lad and he certainly still inspires very strong opinions among Jewish people; if I recall correctly Norman Lebrecht was particularly vituperative while Daniel Barenboim was very measured.
There's a difference. Barenboim has recorded the Ring and Lebrecht hasn't.
Wagner is to music as Emily Bronte is to the novel. Or Nietzsche to philosophy. Always disturbing, and nothing in the field is ever quite the same since.
Tbf I don't think Lebrecht was disputing W's genius, he was just unable to forget the baleful influence it has had.
A quick Google sums his view up I think.
'One of my schoolteachers, a Hitler refugee, introduced him as follows: “Richard Wagner, may his name and memory be erased for ever and ever, was (deep sigh) a verrry great composer.” at says it all.'
Via @Kantar_UKI , 23-27 September, Changes with 23 August.
SKS fans please explain
Sunil?
Jonathon?
Pete?
Al ?
Change leader or get what you deserve
"Change leader or get what you deserve"
Like in 2019, you mean?
Is that relevant in any way?
Yes. It illustrates that if you stick with a leader who looks like a big loser, you lose big.
I agree that we do need to consider whether Starmer is the right person to take Labour into the next GE, but he needs more time to try to climb out of the electoral hole he inherited before we make that decision.
Mr. Leon, a lockdown is temporary. A social credit system will sink its roots into the country and be far harder to uproot.
And what's it meant to achieve? People without vaccines have chosen that. People who are worried can voluntarily take steps to reduce risk.
If you accept a collar around your neck that beeps when an unvaccinated person is nearby you might feel safer, but come to regret it later on when the state is the one with the key to its lock.
My mother was a clerk in the school, and rightly called what happened when the state started asking for data on ethnicity. Now a school in a white area with 'too many' white pupils gets condemned for lack of diversity. If you let the state dictate your freedoms based on a vaccine then it won't end there.
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To avoid revealing a racial preference and appearing to be racist, simply add the following to your profile:
Music: like Wagner, dislike Reggae
Books: love My Struggle, dislike Brick Lane
Interests: history, particularly the Third Reich
Movies: Triumph of the Will, Birth of a Nation
We shouldn't be paying too much attention to short-term changes in the polls anyway, because a lot of the time they're just statistical noise.
Johnson 42%
Starmer 31%
Johnson 45%
Burnham 27%
Johnson 47%
Khan 20%
Johnson 48%
Rayner 18%
Johnson 37%
Sunak 29%
Sunak 40%
Starmer 32%
Redfield & Wilton
https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1448227495115907074?s=20
So thats not bad then
Although it will be the worst result since 1935
While for the benefit of Rochdale, it seems merely a 6.2% "just pay them more" was enough, during a "critical shortage" of labour. Interesting.
*Not sure of what, exactly. Guilty though. That was obvious when you said you were white
JackElphinstone.
@ElphinstoneJack
The UK's Brexit minister David Frost has warned Joe Biden to stay out of Northern Ireland Brexit talks, branding the president no more than an "interested observer".
Winning friends everywhere I see…….
Meanwhile, everyone is loving Scotland….:)
Boris is absolute teflon isn't he?
But it must be 2.9 million minus quite a lot.
THAT is what Labour is up against.
And don't forget, he is at his best at election time. Not in mid-term.
* A joke. Obviously. Just in case it outrages someone.
Once the media spot this we would have nothing to talk about.
https://twitter.com/DavidDavisMP/status/1448589008368545797
An all action kinda guy
It is not a sub sample and my question is why was it delayed 17 days
BTW if anybody didn't see Josh Widdecombe on Who Do You Think You Are? - jaw-dropping is all I can say!!
Will Macron or one of the Western European leaders dare to take a Eurostar and WCML train?
Not sure how we're going to fill the resultant gaps in the public sector though. Still, I guess we don't need most public sector jobs.
13-30 days life expectancy of a helicopter pilot in Vietnam. Just saying.
Still perhaps there will be a sympathy bounce next time in light of his little accident and his spontaneous reaction to it
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-58887168
So. It may not be as nailed on as it appears. This is an area of plenty new build private housing that is rapidly becoming a very outer suburb of Manchester.
For what is it enough? To fix the driver shortage? No. To fix the DHL shortage? No - whatever deal they have done now will not stop their members leaving for other jobs when a lot more is on offer. Which it is because there is a shortage of drivers.
A look around my friends reveals, er, no mixed race couples at all. The only ethnic minority friends I have ethnic minority partners (though one couple is Muslim/Sikh, which caused a bit of disquiet amongst some family members).
But we were at school in the 80s. There were, what, five ethnic minority children in a year of 150 at my school. I don't think I knew anyone non-white at university. There simply wasn't that much opportunity for my generation to be part of a mixed raced couple.
For the generation below, the proportion of non-whites is far greater. I think for that generation - who advertisers are targetting at probably more than me - the proportion of mixed race couples is presumably also therefore significantly greater.
And I married a lovely Turkish lass.
A point to note: all the ladies (and one lad) had excellent English, and had been over here for years. A couple appear to have been pro-Bexit.
To say more would be to invite an ultracrepidarian bomb from you know who.
Pigeons, thrushes, rabbits, sparrows, tuna etc.
If there is a shortage of drivers then pay more and train more. Not rocket science.
Which maybe proves your point.
Anyway doesn't Nicola Sturgeon want to change the GRA too? Does that mean Nicola Sturgeon should be No Platformed too? Or is that a good and acceptable change?
United Kingdom Daily Coronavirus (COVID-19) Report · Thursday 14th October.
45,066 new cases (people positive) reported, giving a total of 8,317,439.
157 new deaths reported, giving a total of 138,237. https://t.co/BPuWMl5YlG
https://twitter.com/UKCovid19Stats/status/1448665914514231297?t=GSz9Nz0jD6jZQQZ8hSULcA&s=19
Slightly ominous increase in admissions too, up 11% week on week.
I'm convinced this is basically weather vs immunity, hence the bumpy path.
Traditionally, I never expect governing parties to gain. But this is interesting territory for the Conservatives, for the reasons you say.
Greater Manchester's planning document Places for Everyone is also proving something of a headache for incumbent parties in the councils across Greater Manchester (though magically, Andy Burnham has sailed serenely above the political pain this has caused.)
Surely the pray the pox away argument can't be false?
Why have we not got vaxports? We need 85% of the country jabbed NOW. And boosters.
HMG must stop dicking around
Pray anything away is always ridiculous.
Vaccinate and learn to live with it on the other hand . . .
I can do hysterical and that was not it
People who want to be jabbed are jabbed. The purpose of vaccination is to return us to normality, not as a pretext to have the state impose controls over how we work, and socialise, and so they can track us wherever we might be.
If a lockdown is needed, then lockdown. If vaccines work sufficiently, 'passports' (papers, please) are not needed.
There is no justification for a state power grab that will be absolutely ripe for mission creep.
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/daily-tests-per-thousand-people-smoothed-7-day?tab=chart
imposition of state power
Portugal has 85% jabbed, and yesterday they had 900 cases and 8 deaths
Wagner is to music as Emily Bronte is to the novel. Or Nietzsche to philosophy. Always disturbing, and nothing in the field is ever quite the same since.
English towns that are clearly showing such an effect:
Carlisle, Preston, Blackburn, Burnley, Bolton, Manchester/Salford, Warrington, Liverpool, Crewe, Newcastle/Gateshead, Sunderland, Durham, York, Leeds, Bradford, Batley/Dewsbury, Huddersfield, Sheffield, Birmingham, Coventry, Rugby, Derby, Nottingham, Newark, Lincoln. Leicester, Cambridge, Bedford, Watford, Hemel Hempstead, London, Brighton, Swindon, Bristol.
Some towns are showing more ambiguous signals, some are not showing signals at all: Norwich, Southampton, Barrow and Peterborough or the weak Middlesbrough signal for example.
The wider areas with very low rates are interesting too, broadly North and East Kent and the wider Cheltenham/Gloucester area.
Many places have been noted for their particular COVID patterns at different times, and those places are very well represented on this clod spots list.
No Blacks and nobody of Asian extraction. In fact everybody is white
You couldnt make it up.
Except you arent even surprised with this guy.
Which I understand about as much as I understand paying $77k a year in property taxes.
A quick Google sums his view up I think.
'One of my schoolteachers, a Hitler refugee, introduced him as follows: “Richard Wagner, may his name and memory be erased for ever and ever, was (deep sigh) a verrry great composer.” at says it all.'
And what's it meant to achieve? People without vaccines have chosen that. People who are worried can voluntarily take steps to reduce risk.
If you accept a collar around your neck that beeps when an unvaccinated person is nearby you might feel safer, but come to regret it later on when the state is the one with the key to its lock.
My mother was a clerk in the school, and rightly called what happened when the state started asking for data on ethnicity. Now a school in a white area with 'too many' white pupils gets condemned for lack of diversity. If you let the state dictate your freedoms based on a vaccine then it won't end there.