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  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,873

    kle4 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MrEd said:

    In Los Angeles for a week, a few things to report:

    weather is great but LA itself is falling to pieces. Filthy, buildings are crumbling down and the homeless population out of control. Obviously it depends where you go through - Beverley Hills and the usual places still look good but the poorer areas / centre have really deteriorated since a few years back.

    Recall is definitely yesterday's news. Everyone has forgotten about it and, while it was good for Larry Elder, I don't think it was great for the Republican GOP although it may have helped its case in the inland counties and the Recall "Yes" vote of near 38% is higher than Trump's vote. Newsom is certainly not acting as though he needs to change his behaviour (a nd why should he).

    One piece of anecdata - my sister-in-law who is a Bernie supporter shocked us by saying that Biden's a one-term President and that Trump is going to get back in 2024. She brought up specifically the Haitian refugee surge on the Texas border. She would never vote for Trump but she thinks the Administration is running out of steam.

    Biden's definitely a one term President. In fact, I suspect he may well be a 0.6 term President.
    So should Boris be as PM.
    Well whether we count a term as a full five years, or the average parliament being more like 4 (probably 3.75 or something like that), he must be close to that 0.6.
    Indeed and its time for Truss or Sunak to replace him. He's lost his nerve.
    But Mr J lost his nerve long ago, over last Christmas as well. Whether one believed in more or less control over covid, he screwed the pooch (metaphorically, I hasten to add).
  • BBC

    There are 8,384 petrol stations in the UK with around 100 experiencing problems

    I take it you haven't been out today, people are queueing, successfully I might add, for fuel for a mere 20 minutes at the remaining 8,284.
    I did post late afternoon that I had been into Asda this pm and there was a modest queue, also a large Asda tanker was on the forecast
    So that's the third time you've mentioned it?

    Wibbling remoaners and BJ doubters, by the power of tedious repetition I shall exorcise thee.
  • Scott_xP said:

    New: the red lines of the Brexit project are starting to crack, as U.K. considers tapping EU workers to fix growing supply crisis https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-09-24/brexit-red-lines-crack-as-britons-line-up-for-fuel-and-food via @bpolitics

    UK visa quotas apply to workers worldwide not just the EU

    And the system being applied is exactly as planned post brexit

    Freedom of movement holding down wages gone, and a visa system with minimum wages of £25,600 and only for skilled jobs benefitting the economy now is place

    This is the brexit dividend
    Come now, Big G, I don't believe you really believe that. The entirety of Brexit post-2016 has been presented as a movement against immigration *in principle*. Independence, self-sufficiency, autonomy, taking back control of borders.
    I absolutely believe that and the legislation has passed HOC implementing the new visa quota system
    Big spike in energy prices. Growing shortages in production and distribution of food. A threat to Christmas.

    This is the Brexit dividend.
    You know that is an exaggeration and you are better than that
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,421

    Shocking article about wider context of murder trial of the kid who was stabbed in the park that finished today....

    https://www.vice.com/en/article/7kvnxa/snapchat-is-fuelling-britains-teen-murder-epidemic

    Not sure i agree with the premise its all snapchat fault, but there is a serious.problem that is getting worse.

    OMG.
    I am genuinely torn as to whether that should be read by all my year 8s as part of the unit on knife crime and its many appalling dangers, or whether it’s too graphic for them.

    It’s a deeply disturbing read.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,467

    BBC

    There are 8,384 petrol stations in the UK with around 100 experiencing problems

    Thanks Scott
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    rcs1000 said:

    MrEd said:

    In Los Angeles for a week, a few things to report:

    weather is great but LA itself is falling to pieces. Filthy, buildings are crumbling down and the homeless population out of control. Obviously it depends where you go through - Beverley Hills and the usual places still look good but the poorer areas / centre have really deteriorated since a few years back.

    Recall is definitely yesterday's news. Everyone has forgotten about it and, while it was good for Larry Elder, I don't think it was great for the Republican GOP although it may have helped its case in the inland counties and the Recall "Yes" vote of near 38% is higher than Trump's vote. Newsom is certainly not acting as though he needs to change his behaviour (a nd why should he).

    One piece of anecdata - my sister-in-law who is a Bernie supporter shocked us by saying that Biden's a one-term President and that Trump is going to get back in 2024. She brought up specifically the Haitian refugee surge on the Texas border. She would never vote for Trump but she thinks the Administration is running out of steam.

    Biden's definitely a one term President. In fact, I suspect he may well be a 0.6 term President.
    That's midsummer 2023. Do you know something not in the public domain?
  • BBC

    There are 8,384 petrol stations in the UK with around 100 experiencing problems

    Thanks Scott
    I do not think you would see @Scott_xP post that BBC quote
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,421

    BBC

    There are 8,384 petrol stations in the UK with around 100 experiencing problems

    Thanks Scott
    Pye Green petrol station was down to two pumps and a long queue for them when I came past, which is annoying from a personal as I wanted to refuel (like normal on a Friday night after a week’s driving).

    Thanks, national newspapers.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    Scott_xP said:

    New: the red lines of the Brexit project are starting to crack, as U.K. considers tapping EU workers to fix growing supply crisis https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-09-24/brexit-red-lines-crack-as-britons-line-up-for-fuel-and-food via @bpolitics

    UK visa quotas apply to workers worldwide not just the EU

    And the system being applied is exactly as planned post brexit

    Freedom of movement holding down wages gone, and a visa system with minimum wages of £25,600 and only for skilled jobs benefitting the economy now is place

    This is the brexit dividend
    Come now, Big G, I don't believe you really believe that. The entirety of Brexit post-2016 has been presented as a movement against immigration *in principle*.
    No that's not true, its been about uncontrolled immigration. Allowing it in controlled is perfectly compatible.

    Its just not necessary since pay rates haven't been done properly.
    It is incredible that Remainers seek to portray the Leave idea of controlled immigration as being some kind of hatred of foreigners and zero tolerance of any non Brit doing a job. We had immigration before 2004, but we didn't have the ridiculous policy of millions of people from poor countries being exploited by rich bosses to undercut the British Labour market - what we have now, outsourcing when necessary, rather than a free for all, is what I voted for

    I think Remain obsessives have just convinced themselves that their most extreme mischaracterisation of what a Leave voter thinks, is actually the truth
  • BBC

    There are 8,384 petrol stations in the UK with around 100 experiencing problems

    I take it you haven't been out today, people are queueing, successfully I might add, for fuel for a mere 20 minutes at the remaining 8,284.
    I did post late afternoon that I had been into Asda this pm and there was a modest queue, also a large Asda tanker was on the forecast
    So that's the third time you've mentioned it?

    Wibbling remoaners and BJ doubters, by the power of tedious repetition I shall exorcise thee.
    It was an answer to a post from @Mexicanpete who had not seen my previous comments
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,531
    edited September 2021
    IshmaelZ said:

    BBC

    There are 8,384 petrol stations in the UK with around 100 experiencing problems

    I take it you haven't been out today, people are queueing, successfully I might add, for fuel for a mere 20 minutes at the remaining 8,284.
    I did post late afternoon that I had been into Asda this pm and there was a modest queue, also a large Asda tanker was on the forecast
    What is forecast often diverges from what eventuates. Also, it may have been an inflatable potemkin tanker, like the D Day decoys.
    FWIW my landlady's cleaner says that she had to queue for 45 minutes for petrol today - presumably just people reacting to the headlines and, as Mike said on the last thread, rationally panic-buying because everyone else will. People honking and swearing at assistants, as though that would help. What's happened to British sang froid?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,421
    Also, good to see that Gloucestershire’s bowlers won the county championship today.

    Shame they were bowling for Warwickshire but you can’t have everything.
  • Aye..


  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,410

    Scott_xP said:

    New: the red lines of the Brexit project are starting to crack, as U.K. considers tapping EU workers to fix growing supply crisis https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-09-24/brexit-red-lines-crack-as-britons-line-up-for-fuel-and-food via @bpolitics

    UK visa quotas apply to workers worldwide not just the EU

    And the system being applied is exactly as planned post brexit

    Freedom of movement holding down wages gone, and a visa system with minimum wages of £25,600 and only for skilled jobs benefitting the economy now is place

    This is the brexit dividend
    Come now, Big G, I don't believe you really believe that. The entirety of Brexit post-2016 has been presented as a movement against immigration *in principle*.
    No that's not true, its been about uncontrolled immigration. Allowing it in controlled is perfectly compatible.

    Its just not necessary since pay rates haven't been done properly.
    Well, the Daily Mail litmus test commenters are already fuming. "If we're going to let in EU drivers back in what was Brexit for ? " is one of the choice comments I saw this afternoon.
    Meanwhile the Telegraph comments are calling for State control of the Press. Unpatriotic to report bad news.
  • IshmaelZ said:

    BBC

    There are 8,384 petrol stations in the UK with around 100 experiencing problems

    I take it you haven't been out today, people are queueing, successfully I might add, for fuel for a mere 20 minutes at the remaining 8,284.
    I did post late afternoon that I had been into Asda this pm and there was a modest queue, also a large Asda tanker was on the forecast
    What is forecast often diverges from what eventuates. Also, it may have been an inflatable potemkin tanker, like the D Day decoys.
    FWIW my landlady's cleaner says that she had to queue for 45 minutes for petrol today - presumably just people reacting to the headlines and, as Mike said on the last thread, rationally panic-buying because everyone else will. People honking and swearing at assistants, as though that would help. What's happened to British sang froid?
    All French terms were kicked out after Brexit.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,930

    Aye..


    Depends on which ones he's taking, surely?
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    ydoethur said:

    BBC

    There are 8,384 petrol stations in the UK with around 100 experiencing problems

    Thanks Scott
    Pye Green petrol station was down to two pumps and a long queue for them when I came past, which is annoying from a personal as I wanted to refuel (like normal on a Friday night after a week’s driving).

    Thanks, national newspapers.
    It is said that most languages do not have a word for "smug." Even English does not have a word for the "filled up at 8.30 a.m. and halfway through my second martini" feeling overwhelming me now.

    Sorry, but there it is.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,410

    IshmaelZ said:

    BBC

    There are 8,384 petrol stations in the UK with around 100 experiencing problems

    I take it you haven't been out today, people are queueing, successfully I might add, for fuel for a mere 20 minutes at the remaining 8,284.
    I did post late afternoon that I had been into Asda this pm and there was a modest queue, also a large Asda tanker was on the forecast
    What is forecast often diverges from what eventuates. Also, it may have been an inflatable potemkin tanker, like the D Day decoys.
    FWIW my landlady's cleaner says that she had to queue for 45 minutes for petrol today - presumably just people reacting to the headlines and, as Mike said on the last thread, rationally panic-buying because everyone else will. People honking and swearing at assistants, as though that would help. What's happened to British sang froid?
    All French terms were kicked out after Brexit.
    Cold bloodedly.
  • isam said:

    Scott_xP said:

    New: the red lines of the Brexit project are starting to crack, as U.K. considers tapping EU workers to fix growing supply crisis https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-09-24/brexit-red-lines-crack-as-britons-line-up-for-fuel-and-food via @bpolitics

    UK visa quotas apply to workers worldwide not just the EU

    And the system being applied is exactly as planned post brexit

    Freedom of movement holding down wages gone, and a visa system with minimum wages of £25,600 and only for skilled jobs benefitting the economy now is place

    This is the brexit dividend
    Come now, Big G, I don't believe you really believe that. The entirety of Brexit post-2016 has been presented as a movement against immigration *in principle*.
    No that's not true, its been about uncontrolled immigration. Allowing it in controlled is perfectly compatible.

    Its just not necessary since pay rates haven't been done properly.
    It is incredible that Remainers seek to portray the Leave idea of controlled immigration as being some kind of hatred of foreigners and zero tolerance of any non Brit doing a job. We had immigration before 2004, but we didn't have the ridiculous policy of millions of people from poor countries being exploited by rich bosses to undercut the British Labour market - what we have now, outsourcing when necessary, rather than a free for all, is what I voted for

    I think Remain obsessives have just convinced themselves that their most extreme mischaracterisation of what a Leave voter thinks, is actually the truth
    Says the man who claims all Remainers just want cheap staff.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,410
    ydoethur said:

    Also, good to see that Gloucestershire’s bowlers won the county championship today.

    Shame they were bowling for Warwickshire but you can’t have everything.

    Not like.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,585
    edited September 2021
    Interesting there are an average of 12.9 petrol stations in each UK constituency. Slightly less than I would have guessed.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    isam said:

    Scott_xP said:

    New: the red lines of the Brexit project are starting to crack, as U.K. considers tapping EU workers to fix growing supply crisis https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-09-24/brexit-red-lines-crack-as-britons-line-up-for-fuel-and-food via @bpolitics

    UK visa quotas apply to workers worldwide not just the EU

    And the system being applied is exactly as planned post brexit

    Freedom of movement holding down wages gone, and a visa system with minimum wages of £25,600 and only for skilled jobs benefitting the economy now is place

    This is the brexit dividend
    Come now, Big G, I don't believe you really believe that. The entirety of Brexit post-2016 has been presented as a movement against immigration *in principle*.
    No that's not true, its been about uncontrolled immigration. Allowing it in controlled is perfectly compatible.

    Its just not necessary since pay rates haven't been done properly.
    It is incredible that Remainers seek to portray the Leave idea of controlled immigration as being some kind of hatred of foreigners and zero tolerance of any non Brit doing a job. We had immigration before 2004, but we didn't have the ridiculous policy of millions of people from poor countries being exploited by rich bosses to undercut the British Labour market - what we have now, outsourcing when necessary, rather than a free for all, is what I voted for

    I think Remain obsessives have just convinced themselves that their most extreme mischaracterisation of what a Leave voter thinks, is actually the truth
    Says the man who claims all Remainers just want cheap staff.
    I didn’t claim that at all. Try again
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,421
    IshmaelZ said:

    ydoethur said:

    BBC

    There are 8,384 petrol stations in the UK with around 100 experiencing problems

    Thanks Scott
    Pye Green petrol station was down to two pumps and a long queue for them when I came past, which is annoying from a personal as I wanted to refuel (like normal on a Friday night after a week’s driving).

    Thanks, national newspapers.
    It is said that most languages do not have a word for "smug." Even English does not have a word for the "filled up at 8.30 a.m. and halfway through my second martini" feeling overwhelming me now.

    Sorry, but there it is.
    Does it have a word for ‘was stuck in traffic in roadworks at 8.30 wondering when you would actually get into the city centre where the school is?’
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    ydoethur said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    ydoethur said:

    BBC

    There are 8,384 petrol stations in the UK with around 100 experiencing problems

    Thanks Scott
    Pye Green petrol station was down to two pumps and a long queue for them when I came past, which is annoying from a personal as I wanted to refuel (like normal on a Friday night after a week’s driving).

    Thanks, national newspapers.
    It is said that most languages do not have a word for "smug." Even English does not have a word for the "filled up at 8.30 a.m. and halfway through my second martini" feeling overwhelming me now.

    Sorry, but there it is.
    Does it have a word for ‘was stuck in traffic in roadworks at 8.30 wondering when you would actually get into the city centre where the school is?’
    Like I said, I'm halfway through my second martini by that time in the morning, and too loaded to care. You should try it.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,421
    IshmaelZ said:

    ydoethur said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    ydoethur said:

    BBC

    There are 8,384 petrol stations in the UK with around 100 experiencing problems

    Thanks Scott
    Pye Green petrol station was down to two pumps and a long queue for them when I came past, which is annoying from a personal as I wanted to refuel (like normal on a Friday night after a week’s driving).

    Thanks, national newspapers.
    It is said that most languages do not have a word for "smug." Even English does not have a word for the "filled up at 8.30 a.m. and halfway through my second martini" feeling overwhelming me now.

    Sorry, but there it is.
    Does it have a word for ‘was stuck in traffic in roadworks at 8.30 wondering when you would actually get into the city centre where the school is?’
    Like I said, I'm halfway through my second martini by that time in the morning, and too loaded to care. You should try it.
    Are you willing to pay me?

    We could have punning contests on PB all day…
  • @michaelsavage
    More than one union leader has “gone for” Starmer at a key meeting tonight. Sounds pretty brutal. Row over party rules now clearly threatening to overshadow a conference he himself has talked up as key to his leadership.


    https://twitter.com/michaelsavage/status/1441458901522821121
  • Scott_xP said:

    New: the red lines of the Brexit project are starting to crack, as U.K. considers tapping EU workers to fix growing supply crisis https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-09-24/brexit-red-lines-crack-as-britons-line-up-for-fuel-and-food via @bpolitics

    UK visa quotas apply to workers worldwide not just the EU

    And the system being applied is exactly as planned post brexit

    Freedom of movement holding down wages gone, and a visa system with minimum wages of £25,600 and only for skilled jobs benefitting the economy now is place

    This is the brexit dividend
    Come now, Big G, I don't believe you really believe that. The entirety of Brexit post-2016 has been presented as a movement against immigration *in principle*.
    No that's not true, its been about uncontrolled immigration. Allowing it in controlled is perfectly compatible.

    Its just not necessary since pay rates haven't been done properly.
    They should all go on strike Red Philo. All out lads, the management haven't got nice enough biscuits.
    I don't advocate that whatsoever.

    If they don't want to do the jobs but others do then management should replace the people who don't want to do the jobs with others that do.

    If not enough want to do the job then management aren't giving good enough terms and conditions to fill the roles. That's their problem, they should fix it.
  • IshmaelZ said:

    BBC

    There are 8,384 petrol stations in the UK with around 100 experiencing problems

    I take it you haven't been out today, people are queueing, successfully I might add, for fuel for a mere 20 minutes at the remaining 8,284.
    I did post late afternoon that I had been into Asda this pm and there was a modest queue, also a large Asda tanker was on the forecast
    What is forecast often diverges from what eventuates. Also, it may have been an inflatable potemkin tanker, like the D Day decoys.
    FWIW my landlady's cleaner says that she had to queue for 45 minutes for petrol today - presumably just people reacting to the headlines and, as Mike said on the last thread, rationally panic-buying because everyone else will. People honking and swearing at assistants, as though that would help. What's happened to British sang froid?
    All French terms were kicked out after Brexit.
    Donnez-moi un break!

    Apologies if minor incontinence results from this HILARIOUS quip.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,202
    Andy_JS said:

    Interesting there are an average of 12.9 petrol stations in each UK constituency. Slightly less than I would have guessed.

    Snap. I remember there being two dozen in Bedford growing up, and that wasn't even a whole constituency.
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 9,164
    edited September 2021

    @michaelsavage
    More than one union leader has “gone for” Starmer at a key meeting tonight. Sounds pretty brutal. Row over party rules now clearly threatening to overshadow a conference he himself has talked up as key to his leadership.


    https://twitter.com/michaelsavage/status/1441458901522821121

    Mandelson to blame, I'm pretty sure. He should have just kept it to the change of the MP deselection process, as Southam alluded to earlier, not tried to change the entire voting system back again too, as a misguided Clause4-type symbol, too.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,410

    @michaelsavage
    More than one union leader has “gone for” Starmer at a key meeting tonight. Sounds pretty brutal. Row over party rules now clearly threatening to overshadow a conference he himself has talked up as key to his leadership.


    https://twitter.com/michaelsavage/status/1441458901522821121

    Mandelson to blame, I'm pretty sure. He should have just kept it to the change of the MP deselection process, as Southam alluded to, not tried to change the entire voting system back as a misguided Clause4-type symbol, as well.
    A solution in search of a problem, methinks.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,421
    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    BBC

    There are 8,384 petrol stations in the UK with around 100 experiencing problems

    I take it you haven't been out today, people are queueing, successfully I might add, for fuel for a mere 20 minutes at the remaining 8,284.
    I did post late afternoon that I had been into Asda this pm and there was a modest queue, also a large Asda tanker was on the forecast
    What is forecast often diverges from what eventuates. Also, it may have been an inflatable potemkin tanker, like the D Day decoys.
    FWIW my landlady's cleaner says that she had to queue for 45 minutes for petrol today - presumably just people reacting to the headlines and, as Mike said on the last thread, rationally panic-buying because everyone else will. People honking and swearing at assistants, as though that would help. What's happened to British sang froid?
    All French terms were kicked out after Brexit.
    Donnez-moi un break!

    Apologies if minor incontinence results from this HILARIOUS quip.
    I confess, a bit of oui came out.
    Non here.
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 9,164
    edited September 2021
    dixiedean said:

    @michaelsavage
    More than one union leader has “gone for” Starmer at a key meeting tonight. Sounds pretty brutal. Row over party rules now clearly threatening to overshadow a conference he himself has talked up as key to his leadership.


    https://twitter.com/michaelsavage/status/1441458901522821121

    Mandelson to blame, I'm pretty sure. He should have just kept it to the change of the MP deselection process, as Southam alluded to, not tried to change the entire voting system back as a misguided Clause4-type symbol, as well.
    A solution in search of a problem, methinks.
    Yup ; this was the same phrase that came to mind and I used earlier about it, too.
  • Shocking article about wider context of murder trial of the kid who was stabbed in the park that finished today....

    https://www.vice.com/en/article/7kvnxa/snapchat-is-fuelling-britains-teen-murder-epidemic

    Not sure i agree with the premise its all snapchat fault, but there is a serious.problem that is getting worse.

    OMG.
    I just feel grateful I am not living in London with teenage children.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 36,000
    PM overrules Home Sec and Transport Sec to allow in foreign lorry drivers to help fill the shortage despite Grant Shapps saying being out of the EU was helping the situation https://bit.ly/2XLOe3K
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,410

    dixiedean said:

    @michaelsavage
    More than one union leader has “gone for” Starmer at a key meeting tonight. Sounds pretty brutal. Row over party rules now clearly threatening to overshadow a conference he himself has talked up as key to his leadership.


    https://twitter.com/michaelsavage/status/1441458901522821121

    Mandelson to blame, I'm pretty sure. He should have just kept it to the change of the MP deselection process, as Southam alluded to, not tried to change the entire voting system back as a misguided Clause4-type symbol, as well.
    A solution in search of a problem, methinks.
    Yup ; this was the. same phrase that came to mind and I used earlier about it, too.
    Great minds.
    Or fools never differ. But I think not.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,202
    SandraMc said:

    Shocking article about wider context of murder trial of the kid who was stabbed in the park that finished today....

    https://www.vice.com/en/article/7kvnxa/snapchat-is-fuelling-britains-teen-murder-epidemic

    Not sure i agree with the premise its all snapchat fault, but there is a serious.problem that is getting worse.

    OMG.
    I just feel grateful I am not living in London with teenage children.
    That article lacks any kind of evidence about teenage murder rates in general, and about the prevalence of SnapChat (or other social media) in driving the murders that did happen.

    It's a great story, but it may simply be completely inaccurate. It may be that 13 year olds on SnapChat are less likely to commit murders than their peers. We just don't know, because it's a piece of journalism that sets out to tell a story.

    And, likely, the author had decided the conclusion and went looking for supporting evidence. (Not unlike certain posters.)
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,421
    Scott_xP said:

    PM overrules Home Sec and Transport Sec to allow in foreign lorry drivers to help fill the shortage despite Grant Shapps saying being out of the EU was helping the situation https://bit.ly/2XLOe3K

    Grant Shapps always was an imbecile. Look at his pretend hack when he said he’d been a lifelong Lib Dem now voting Tory.
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 3,883
    edited September 2021
    IshmaelZ said:

    ydoethur said:

    BBC

    There are 8,384 petrol stations in the UK with around 100 experiencing problems

    Thanks Scott
    Pye Green petrol station was down to two pumps and a long queue for them when I came past, which is annoying from a personal as I wanted to refuel (like normal on a Friday night after a week’s driving).

    Thanks, national newspapers.
    It is said that most languages do not have a word for "smug." Even English does not have a word for the "filled up at 8.30 a.m. and halfway through my second martini" feeling overwhelming me now.

    Sorry, but there it is.
    In Welsh, it is smyg,

    pronounced "smug"
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,467
    @rcs1000 FYI it's just "Snapchat" not "SnapChat"
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,421

    IshmaelZ said:

    ydoethur said:

    BBC

    There are 8,384 petrol stations in the UK with around 100 experiencing problems

    Thanks Scott
    Pye Green petrol station was down to two pumps and a long queue for them when I came past, which is annoying from a personal as I wanted to refuel (like normal on a Friday night after a week’s driving).

    Thanks, national newspapers.
    It is said that most languages do not have a word for "smug." Even English does not have a word for the "filled up at 8.30 a.m. and halfway through my second martini" feeling overwhelming me now.

    Sorry, but there it is.
    In Welsh, it is smyg,

    pronounced "smug"
    In dwarfish, it is Smaug.

    They get really fired up about such people.
  • Scott_xP said:

    PM overrules Home Sec and Transport Sec to allow in foreign lorry drivers to help fill the shortage despite Grant Shapps saying being out of the EU was helping the situation https://bit.ly/2XLOe3K

    Bad decision. Employers should increase pay to the market rate to fill the vacancies.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    rcs1000 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Interesting there are an average of 12.9 petrol stations in each UK constituency. Slightly less than I would have guessed.

    Snap. I remember there being two dozen in Bedford growing up, and that wasn't even a whole constituency.
    Loads have closed down in Havering since I were a lad - I guess there are just as many pumps, but in fewer locations as the supermarkets took over

    My mate is offering a reward for a pic of someone running out of petrol whilst driving around on a panic buying mission!
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,873
    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    BBC

    There are 8,384 petrol stations in the UK with around 100 experiencing problems

    I take it you haven't been out today, people are queueing, successfully I might add, for fuel for a mere 20 minutes at the remaining 8,284.
    I did post late afternoon that I had been into Asda this pm and there was a modest queue, also a large Asda tanker was on the forecast
    What is forecast often diverges from what eventuates. Also, it may have been an inflatable potemkin tanker, like the D Day decoys.
    FWIW my landlady's cleaner says that she had to queue for 45 minutes for petrol today - presumably just people reacting to the headlines and, as Mike said on the last thread, rationally panic-buying because everyone else will. People honking and swearing at assistants, as though that would help. What's happened to British sang froid?
    All French terms were kicked out after Brexit.
    Donnez-moi un break!

    Apologies if minor incontinence results from this HILARIOUS quip.
    I confess, a bit of oui came out.
    Tant piss.
  • jayfdeejayfdee Posts: 618
    Feeling very smug today in my EV, did a 300 mile journey, one short stop for a splash and dash charge, and watched the queues at the petrol stations.
    Not often the EV range anxiety gets the better of the ICE guys.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,676
    Last weeks not a crisis, crises, empty shelves due to insufficient supermarket deliveries and Wholesale Gas prices due to insufficient planning of gas supply.

    Todays not a crisis, crisis no petrol for Cabinet Ministers due to insufficient deliveries of petrol

    Tomorrows not a crisis, Crisis. No water due to insufficient water purification chemical deliveries.

    Tories 7 point lead

    Presumably more Lab leads on the cards despite the useless nonentity in charge of that Party
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,873
    IshmaelZ said:

    ydoethur said:

    BBC

    There are 8,384 petrol stations in the UK with around 100 experiencing problems

    Thanks Scott
    Pye Green petrol station was down to two pumps and a long queue for them when I came past, which is annoying from a personal as I wanted to refuel (like normal on a Friday night after a week’s driving).

    Thanks, national newspapers.
    It is said that most languages do not have a word for "smug." Even English does not have a word for the "filled up at 8.30 a.m. and halfway through my second martini" feeling overwhelming me now.

    Sorry, but there it is.
    Scots, Shetland version, does have pernim.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    Scott_xP said:

    PM overrules Home Sec and Transport Sec to allow in foreign lorry drivers to help fill the shortage despite Grant Shapps saying being out of the EU was helping the situation https://bit.ly/2XLOe3K

    Bad decision. Employers should increase pay to the market rate to fill the vacancies.
    Maybe they should have started doing that in 2018 when the Europe wide shortage was being discussed here

    "In a report released this week, European Road Freight Transport 2018, the supply chain analyst shows that in just six countries – the UK, Germany, France, Denmark Sweden and Norway – the shortage of drivers adds up to 127,500.

    The UK leads the way with a shortage of 52,000 drivers, but is closely followed by Germany at 45,000 vacancies – with predictions that this could increase by a staggering 28,000 each year.

    The report says: “In Germany, the DSLV transport union reports that in the next 15 years, two-thirds of drivers will retire. Germany is facing a shortage of 45,000 truck drivers, with around 30,000 leaving the profession every year. This compares with only 2,000 people receiving truck-driving qualifications each year.”

    France has a shortage of 20,000 drivers, while road freight associations in Sweden, Denmark and Norway report shortages of 5,000, 2,500 and 3,000, respectively.

    This gap in the labour market has been partly filled by an influx of East Europeans, but the report warns there is a limit as to how much this will ease the driver shortage.

    One problem is the increasing appetite among global manufacturers to site production facilities in central and eastern Europe, which has provided an alternative source of jobs for many would-be drivers."

    https://www.bifa.org/news/articles/2018/dec/truck-driver-shortage-crisis-now-spreading-across-the-whole-of-europe

    But as it seems to be an emergency, why not press the emergency button?
  • It is hard being Greene (without being a cretinous dipshit).

    https://twitter.com/acyn/status/1440838033222242309?s=21
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,176

    @rcs1000 FYI it's just "Snapchat" not "SnapChat"

    Is that the one that halved in value when somebody I’ve never heard of left it?
  • ydoethur said:

    Scott_xP said:

    PM overrules Home Sec and Transport Sec to allow in foreign lorry drivers to help fill the shortage despite Grant Shapps saying being out of the EU was helping the situation https://bit.ly/2XLOe3K

    Grant Shapps always was an imbecile. Look at his pretend hack when he said he’d been a lifelong Lib Dem now voting Tory.
    This take on that always amuses me.

    https://www.bloggerheads.com/archives/2007/07/grant_shapps/
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,873

    Scott_xP said:

    PM overrules Home Sec and Transport Sec to allow in foreign lorry drivers to help fill the shortage despite Grant Shapps saying being out of the EU was helping the situation https://bit.ly/2XLOe3K

    Bad decision. Employers should increase pay to the market rate to fill the vacancies.
    Is that a Conservative government? Or is it not? It seems to be bringing in blacklegs to bust the locals' deserved campaigning for more pay? I'm really getting confused.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,676
    F**king useless nonentity. Bring on a leadership challenge

    Michael Savage
    @michaelsavage
    More than one union leader has “gone for” Starmer at a key meeting tonight. Sounds pretty brutal. Row over party rules now clearly threatening to overshadow a conference he himself has talked up as key to his leadership.
  • rcs1000 said:

    SandraMc said:

    Shocking article about wider context of murder trial of the kid who was stabbed in the park that finished today....

    https://www.vice.com/en/article/7kvnxa/snapchat-is-fuelling-britains-teen-murder-epidemic

    Not sure i agree with the premise its all snapchat fault, but there is a serious.problem that is getting worse.

    OMG.
    I just feel grateful I am not living in London with teenage children.
    That article lacks any kind of evidence about teenage murder rates in general, and about the prevalence of SnapChat (or other social media) in driving the murders that did happen.

    It's a great story, but it may simply be completely inaccurate. It may be that 13 year olds on SnapChat are less likely to commit murders than their peers. We just don't know, because it's a piece of journalism that sets out to tell a story.

    And, likely, the author had decided the conclusion and went looking for supporting evidence. (Not unlike certain posters.)
    Definitely Snapchat. Definitely not the 70% cut in funding for youth services in the decade after 2010.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,100
    edited September 2021
    Better news for labour in Wales

    And lib dems bottom

    https://twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1441465179259260933?s=19
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,410
    Carnyx said:

    Scott_xP said:

    PM overrules Home Sec and Transport Sec to allow in foreign lorry drivers to help fill the shortage despite Grant Shapps saying being out of the EU was helping the situation https://bit.ly/2XLOe3K

    Bad decision. Employers should increase pay to the market rate to fill the vacancies.
    Is that a Conservative government? Or is it not? It seems to be bringing in blacklegs to bust the locals' deserved campaigning for more pay? I'm really getting confused.
    One thing is for sure. We can’t have the lower orders getting paid too much.
    Something, anything must be done.
  • ydoethur said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    ydoethur said:

    BBC

    There are 8,384 petrol stations in the UK with around 100 experiencing problems

    Thanks Scott
    Pye Green petrol station was down to two pumps and a long queue for them when I came past, which is annoying from a personal as I wanted to refuel (like normal on a Friday night after a week’s driving).

    Thanks, national newspapers.
    It is said that most languages do not have a word for "smug." Even English does not have a word for the "filled up at 8.30 a.m. and halfway through my second martini" feeling overwhelming me now.

    Sorry, but there it is.
    In Welsh, it is smyg,

    pronounced "smug"
    In dwarfish, it is Smaug.

    They get really fired up about such people.
    dim ysmygu
  • eekeek Posts: 28,390

    F**king useless nonentity. Bring on a leadership challenge

    Michael Savage
    @michaelsavage
    More than one union leader has “gone for” Starmer at a key meeting tonight. Sounds pretty brutal. Row over party rules now clearly threatening to overshadow a conference he himself has talked up as key to his leadership.

    And replace him with who exactly?
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,873
    dixiedean said:

    Carnyx said:

    Scott_xP said:

    PM overrules Home Sec and Transport Sec to allow in foreign lorry drivers to help fill the shortage despite Grant Shapps saying being out of the EU was helping the situation https://bit.ly/2XLOe3K

    Bad decision. Employers should increase pay to the market rate to fill the vacancies.
    Is that a Conservative government? Or is it not? It seems to be bringing in blacklegs to bust the locals' deserved campaigning for more pay? I'm really getting confused.
    One thing is for sure. We can’t have the lower orders getting paid too much.
    Something, anything must be done.
    And yet, how will that look to White Van and DAF Tractor Person in the Red Wall?
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,676
    Momentum issues statement "celebrating" Starmer's delay to rule change vote

    They describe TULO meeting today as "disastrous" and claim his "attack on democracy is floundering"

    It is fair to say this is not the lead up to conference Starmer wanted: unions furious, left buoyant

    Union source emphasises it's "not over til it's over", but seems Starmer faces humiliation over electoral college reforms if he brings to vote

    Trade Union & Labour Party Liaison Organisation (TULO) meeting was "BAD": "nobody" defended Starmer, even moderate unions

    It's reported that Starmer's TULO meeting was 'a shitshow'. Saddiq Khan is against rule change. It looks as if
    "Rayner's read the room. I always thought that, when the tide turned against Starmer, Rayner would bury him".

    Could this be the moment? I think he's toast".

    Rayner or Streeting??
  • China bans Facebook → Creates Weibo
    China bans Youtube → Creates Youku
    China bans Google → Creates Baidu
    China bans Whatsapp → Creates WeChat
    China bans Bitcoin → Creates e-yuan

    https://twitter.com/Blockworks_/status/1441335106782654475?s=19

    China bans Lehman Brothers → Creates Evergrande
  • Momentum issues statement "celebrating" Starmer's delay to rule change vote

    They describe TULO meeting today as "disastrous" and claim his "attack on democracy is floundering"

    It is fair to say this is not the lead up to conference Starmer wanted: unions furious, left buoyant

    Union source emphasises it's "not over til it's over", but seems Starmer faces humiliation over electoral college reforms if he brings to vote

    Trade Union & Labour Party Liaison Organisation (TULO) meeting was "BAD": "nobody" defended Starmer, even moderate unions

    It's reported that Starmer's TULO meeting was 'a shitshow'. Saddiq Khan is against rule change. It looks as if
    "Rayner's read the room. I always thought that, when the tide turned against Starmer, Rayner would bury him".

    Could this be the moment? I think he's toast".

    Rayner or Streeting??

    If true Labour have lost the plot and at the worse time possible

    Starmer is labour's best bet for GE 24
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,676
    edited September 2021
    eek said:

    F**king useless nonentity. Bring on a leadership challenge

    Michael Savage
    @michaelsavage
    More than one union leader has “gone for” Starmer at a key meeting tonight. Sounds pretty brutal. Row over party rules now clearly threatening to overshadow a conference he himself has talked up as key to his leadership.

    And replace him with who exactly?
    Anybody would be better frankly

    I despise Streeting but even he would be less useless more passionate and competent.

    It is extremely unfortunate KotN will not be eligible but any change is better than having a useless nonentity in charge

    https://twitter.com/nigeltheleftist/status/1441463509401886720/photo/1
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,676
    edited September 2021

    Momentum issues statement "celebrating" Starmer's delay to rule change vote

    They describe TULO meeting today as "disastrous" and claim his "attack on democracy is floundering"

    It is fair to say this is not the lead up to conference Starmer wanted: unions furious, left buoyant

    Union source emphasises it's "not over til it's over", but seems Starmer faces humiliation over electoral college reforms if he brings to vote

    Trade Union & Labour Party Liaison Organisation (TULO) meeting was "BAD": "nobody" defended Starmer, even moderate unions

    It's reported that Starmer's TULO meeting was 'a shitshow'. Saddiq Khan is against rule change. It looks as if
    "Rayner's read the room. I always thought that, when the tide turned against Starmer, Rayner would bury him".

    Could this be the moment? I think he's toast".

    Rayner or Streeting??

    If true Labour have lost the plot and at the worse time possible

    Starmer is labour's best bet for GE 24
    No mate he is totally devoid of anything no charisma, no conviction, no ability to lead, no policies,no vision, no alternative, no hope.

    I can understand why Tories like him.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,770
    edited September 2021
    eek said:

    F**king useless nonentity. Bring on a leadership challenge

    Michael Savage
    @michaelsavage
    More than one union leader has “gone for” Starmer at a key meeting tonight. Sounds pretty brutal. Row over party rules now clearly threatening to overshadow a conference he himself has talked up as key to his leadership.

    And replace him with who exactly?
    Quite.

    Starmer isn't great as a leader, although he has some really good traits that will help him.

    Labour will split sooner or later, and to be fair to the left it really is the moderates that are betraying the cause. However the cause is some daft c19 manifesto written by a layabout.

    What Starmer needs to do is get the split done with - off goes Corbyn, off goes McDonald, and then I think it stops. No sensible Labour politician will throw themselves over the cliff. Maybe Abbot, Dawn whatever, Long-Bailey, and Burgeon.

    PS. whatever=Butler.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Loved @jessphillips being honest saying on @TimesRadio she hadn’t quite read every word of the @Keir_Starmer thesis. And @UKLabour peer Helena Kennedy tells me she’d like the party leader - a fellow lawyer - “to loosen up a bit”

    https://twitter.com/cathynewman/status/1441464733249392644?s=21
  • Omnium said:

    eek said:

    F**king useless nonentity. Bring on a leadership challenge

    Michael Savage
    @michaelsavage
    More than one union leader has “gone for” Starmer at a key meeting tonight. Sounds pretty brutal. Row over party rules now clearly threatening to overshadow a conference he himself has talked up as key to his leadership.

    And replace him with who exactly?
    Quite.

    Starmer isn't great as a leader, although he has some really good traits that will help him.

    Labour will split sooner or later, and to be fair to the left it really is the moderates that are betraying the cause. However the cause is some daft c19 manifesto written by a layabout.

    What Starmer needs to do is get the split done with - off goes Corbyn, off goes McDonald, and then I think it stops. No sensible Labour politician will throw themselves over the cliff. Maybe Abbot, Dawn whatever, Long-Bailey, and Burgeon.

    PS. whatever=Butler.
    Ken Loach....on Starmer, Jezza and "proper Labour".

    https://youtu.be/PVP6PlX_UUA
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,676
    Keir Starmer is in “discussions” about whether to press ahead with radical changes to the way Labour elects its leaders, after pulling plans to put the proposals to a vote at the party’s ruling national executive committee (NEC).

    The Labour leader had been expected to push the package of reforms at a meeting on Friday evening. But after he addressed sceptical union leaders on Friday afternoon, Starmer’s office said they would not be tabled.

    Instead, they suggested discussions were ongoing. Trade union sources said Starmer had made an emollient speech to TULO, the group that represents the Labour-supporting unions – but that none of the unions present had backed the plans.

    One source suggested Starmer had received a “mauling” for announcing the plans to drop the one-member-one vote-system to elect the party’s leader without warning earlier this week, and failing to consult unions in advance.

    Starmer now faces a tough decision about whether to press ahead in the face of union opposition, water down the proposals or pull them altogether, rather than risk a humiliating defeat in Brighton, where the party’s conference will open on Saturday.

    It emerged on Friday that Labour’s deputy leader, Angela Rayner, had added her voice to those in the party who oppose the idea of overshadowing conference with a wrangle over rule changes.

    Rayner, the shadow secretary of state for the future of work as well as Starmer’s number two, has privately made clear she would like the conference to focus instead on attacking the government and setting out Labour’s offer to the country.

    She is understood to be concerned by the timing of the changes and the principle of ditching one-member-one-vote.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    ydoethur said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    ydoethur said:

    BBC

    There are 8,384 petrol stations in the UK with around 100 experiencing problems

    Thanks Scott
    Pye Green petrol station was down to two pumps and a long queue for them when I came past, which is annoying from a personal as I wanted to refuel (like normal on a Friday night after a week’s driving).

    Thanks, national newspapers.
    It is said that most languages do not have a word for "smug." Even English does not have a word for the "filled up at 8.30 a.m. and halfway through my second martini" feeling overwhelming me now.

    Sorry, but there it is.
    In Welsh, it is smyg,

    pronounced "smug"
    In dwarfish, it is Smaug.

    They get really fired up about such people.
    Don't expect me to believe that. I wasn't Beorn yesterday.
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  • Omnium said:

    eek said:

    F**king useless nonentity. Bring on a leadership challenge

    Michael Savage
    @michaelsavage
    More than one union leader has “gone for” Starmer at a key meeting tonight. Sounds pretty brutal. Row over party rules now clearly threatening to overshadow a conference he himself has talked up as key to his leadership.

    And replace him with who exactly?
    Quite.

    Starmer isn't great as a leader, although he has some really good traits that will help him.

    Labour will split sooner or later, and to be fair to the left it really is the moderates that are betraying the cause. However the cause is some daft c19 manifesto written by a layabout.

    What Starmer needs to do is get the split done with - off goes Corbyn, off goes McDonald, and then I think it stops. No sensible Labour politician will throw themselves over the cliff. Maybe Abbot, Dawn whatever, Long-Bailey, and Burgeon.

    PS. whatever=Butler.
    Ken Loach....on Starmer, Jezza and "proper Labour".

    https://youtu.be/PVP6PlX_UUA
    Let me guess "proper Labour" are antisemites like him?
  • justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527

    Better news for labour in Wales

    And lib dems bottom

    https://twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1441465179259260933?s=19

    That poll was released a few days ago.In fact , it is not better news for Labour at all - if taken at face value. The 2019 GE in Wales was - Lab 40.9 - Con 36.1 - so a Labour lead of 4.8% has just increased to 6% - implying a swing from Con to Lab of just 0.6% and a fall in Labour's vote share. That said , Yougov significantly underestimated Labour's lead last May - and had the Tories several points too high. The figures for both Plaid and the Greens in this poll look high.
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  • RazedabodeRazedabode Posts: 3,028
    Would Raynor be any better than Starmer?

    Hmmm..
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  • Omnium said:

    eek said:

    F**king useless nonentity. Bring on a leadership challenge

    Michael Savage
    @michaelsavage
    More than one union leader has “gone for” Starmer at a key meeting tonight. Sounds pretty brutal. Row over party rules now clearly threatening to overshadow a conference he himself has talked up as key to his leadership.

    And replace him with who exactly?
    Quite.

    Starmer isn't great as a leader, although he has some really good traits that will help him.

    Labour will split sooner or later, and to be fair to the left it really is the moderates that are betraying the cause. However the cause is some daft c19 manifesto written by a layabout.

    What Starmer needs to do is get the split done with - off goes Corbyn, off goes McDonald, and then I think it stops. No sensible Labour politician will throw themselves over the cliff. Maybe Abbot, Dawn whatever, Long-Bailey, and Burgeon.

    PS. whatever=Butler.
    Ken Loach....on Starmer, Jezza and "proper Labour".

    https://youtu.be/PVP6PlX_UUA
    Let me guess "proper Labour" are antisemites like him?
    Its delightfully bonkers.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,873
    Fior light relief, it appears that Sodom's destruction was a Tunguska-type event ...

    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-97778-3.pdf
  • murali_smurali_s Posts: 3,067
    edited September 2021

    Momentum issues statement "celebrating" Starmer's delay to rule change vote

    They describe TULO meeting today as "disastrous" and claim his "attack on democracy is floundering"

    It is fair to say this is not the lead up to conference Starmer wanted: unions furious, left buoyant

    Union source emphasises it's "not over til it's over", but seems Starmer faces humiliation over electoral college reforms if he brings to vote

    Trade Union & Labour Party Liaison Organisation (TULO) meeting was "BAD": "nobody" defended Starmer, even moderate unions

    It's reported that Starmer's TULO meeting was 'a shitshow'. Saddiq Khan is against rule change. It looks as if
    "Rayner's read the room. I always thought that, when the tide turned against Starmer, Rayner would bury him".

    Could this be the moment? I think he's toast".

    Rayner or Streeting??

    If true Labour have lost the plot and at the worse time possible

    Starmer is labour's best bet for GE 24
    No mate he is totally devoid of anything no charisma, no conviction, no ability to lead, no policies,no vision, no alternative, no hope.

    I can understand why Tories like him.
    We have to accept that Starmer, even though he is moderately crap, is the best the Labour party have at the moment. I am a big fan of Ed Milliband but he's unlikely to enter any leadership fray.

    Having said that, Starmer needs to up is game against this vile, incompetent, disingenuous, sleazy and bigoted Conservative Government.
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  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,676
    Deputy Leader

    Scottish Leader

    Welsh First Minister

    London Mayor

    Every Union in attendance at todays NEC

    All opposed to rule change

    The useless nonentity has picked a fight, having picked the fight he needed to win it, and badly misjudged the mood.with even the most right wing led Unions failing to support him

    All wings of Party smell blood.

    He is even rumoured to be preparing a joke if "oh Jeremy Corbyn" chant starts during his speech on Wednesday.

    Bet that will be a side splitter.

    Anyone who thinks he has any chance of ever leading Lab to victory is kidding themselves.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,201

    Wales 19
    LABLabour40.9%
    CONConservative36.1%
    PCPlaid Cymru9.9%
    LDLiberal Democrat6.0%
    BRXThe Brexit Party5.4%
    GRNGreen1.0%

    Poll from the GE
    Lab 37 (-4)
    Con 31 (-5)
    Plaid 15 (+5)
    Rfm 6 (+1)
    Grn 5 (+4)
    LDem 4 (-2)

  • murali_smurali_s Posts: 3,067

    Would Raynor be any better than Starmer?

    Hmmm..

    No.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    Carnyx said:

    Fior light relief, it appears that Sodom's destruction was a Tunguska-type event ...

    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-97778-3.pdf

    Carnyx said:

    Fior light relief, it appears that Sodom's destruction was a Tunguska-type event ...

    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-97778-3.pdf

    Genuinely riveting, both the overall theory and the detail, and the match with the biblical account. And brilliant that Nature is free to air like that.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    Farooq said:

    Carnyx said:

    Fior light relief, it appears that Sodom's destruction was a Tunguska-type event ...

    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-97778-3.pdf

    "causing extreme disarticulation and skeletal fragmentation in nearby humans."
    eww
    The victims were here today, gone Gomorrah.
  • justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527
    edited September 2021
    The apparent fiasco re-leadership rule changes confirms Starmer's disastrous timing of the by elections a few months back. He is seriously lacking in 'nous' and the political antennare required of a political leader. Very little sign of a political brain.
  • RazedabodeRazedabode Posts: 3,028
    murali_s said:

    Would Raynor be any better than Starmer?

    Hmmm..

    No.
    I don’t find her particularly likeable - quite adversarial. Who knows - maybe the electorate will prefer that to Boris
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,202

    @rcs1000 FYI it's just "Snapchat" not "SnapChat"

    I was passing our local (not very good, and definitely overpriced) sushi restaurant, and there was a Lamborghini Avantador parked outside with the license "SNAP CEO".

    'twas a bit naff, tbh.
  • I noticed that the future Queen of Canada went to congratulate the player who defeated Canada's finest in the US Open tennis final.

  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,676
    justin124 said:

    The apparent fiasco re-leadership rule changes confirms Starmer's disastrous timing of the by elections a few months back. He is seriously lacking in 'nous' and the political antennare required of a political leader. Very little sign of a political brain.

    Indeed Justin you are correct.

    I will add that to my useless nonentity list. Thanks
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    rcs1000 said:

    @rcs1000 FYI it's just "Snapchat" not "SnapChat"

    I was passing our local (not very good, and definitely overpriced) sushi restaurant, and there was a Lamborghini Avantador parked outside with the license "SNAP CEO".

    'twas a bit naff, tbh.
    I'm tempted to book a first class return LHR LAX just to key that.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 12,533

    Deputy Leader

    Scottish Leader

    Welsh First Minister

    London Mayor

    Every Union in attendance at todays NEC

    All opposed to rule change

    The useless nonentity has picked a fight, having picked the fight he needed to win it, and badly misjudged the mood.with even the most right wing led Unions failing to support him

    All wings of Party smell blood.

    He is even rumoured to be preparing a joke if "oh Jeremy Corbyn" chant starts during his speech on Wednesday.

    Bet that will be a side splitter.

    Anyone who thinks he has any chance of ever leading Lab to victory is kidding themselves.

    If he sticks the course, while having below 5% chance of a Labour government, he has a 40%+ chance of being PM in a rainbow alliance. Tory losses of 50 seats, or perhaps a bit fewer, will see it.

    Is there another person, who could get elected, (Jess Phillips couldn't get elected) who has a better chance of avoiding Tories getting 320 seats? Most of the alternatives (including Rayner) would shore up the Tory vote.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,080
    edited September 2021
    rcs1000 said:

    @rcs1000 FYI it's just "Snapchat" not "SnapChat"

    I was passing our local (not very good, and definitely overpriced) sushi restaurant, and there was a Lamborghini Avantador parked outside with the license "SNAP CEO".

    'twas a bit naff, tbh.
    Having a lambo most definitely....
  • Deputy Leader

    Scottish Leader

    Welsh First Minister

    London Mayor

    Every Union in attendance at todays NEC

    All opposed to rule change

    The useless nonentity has picked a fight, having picked the fight he needed to win it, and badly misjudged the mood.with even the most right wing led Unions failing to support him

    All wings of Party smell blood.

    He is even rumoured to be preparing a joke if "oh Jeremy Corbyn" chant starts during his speech on Wednesday.

    Bet that will be a side splitter.

    Anyone who thinks he has any chance of ever leading Lab to victory is kidding themselves.

    Maybe it is not widely known, but Drakeford is a Corbynista and very much pro Corbyn
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,865

    Age related data

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    School age kids and parents of school age kids are seeing more cases, everyone else isn't. The hospitalisation rate should continue to drop even as cases rise over the next couple of weeks due to kids and uni students getting the Rona.
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