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  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    edited September 2021
    Foss said:

    Farooq said:

    Foss said:

    justin124 said:



    When I was a child in the 1960s I had grandparents who han been born in the late 1880s up to the 1900s.Whilst they were elderly, I did not feel that they had come from a distant age totally unrelated to the world I then inhabited.
    I have also recently contemplated how 1966 was as close in time to 1910 or 1911 as to the present day. I have little doubt that the world of 1966 had far more in common with the world of 2021 than it had with that of circa 1910.

    Who said totally unrelated? You're extrapolating things that were never said.

    But yes 1960s are distant from today, and 1800s are distant from the 1960s. Not unconnected, but distant.

    Heck in some ways already I can tell there are many things that I grew up with in the 1980s and 1990s are completely distant or alien to what my kids are growing up with today.
    The average person in this country was born two years after Thatcher came to power and was just over two years too young to vote for Blair in 1997.
    The median Brit is a millennial? In the making-people-feel-old stakes, you just took gold silver and bronze. Smashed it.
    The ONS estimate for summer 2020 was 40.4.
    Then that's younger than you said. I'm not middle aged yet.

    EDIT: No it is what you said. I just rounded in my head from 81 to 82
  • LeonLeon Posts: 54,677

    @julianborger
    French FM Le Drian says he has no intention of meeting his counterpart Secretary of State Tony Blinken at the UN, "though I might see him here or there, in a corridor".


    https://twitter.com/julianborger/status/1440060905706819590

    Oh god. What is French for *cringe*

    LE CRINGE? LE GRANDE CRINGE
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,586

    Just had an email which seems genuine from PFP energy our (erstwhile?) energy supplier, headed "We do not have confidence in the Business Secretary, Kwasi Kwarteng".

    "...Ofgem made Kwarteng aware of the ongoing pressure to energy suppliers on 26th March 2020 but his disregard for the issues and lack of willingness to create support for the industry has resulted in a large increase in the cost of powering homes and hundreds of job losses..."

    Interesting tactic, if genuine.

    I expect they have been told by HMG that they are not going to be bailed out by the taxpayer
    It all seems a bit late as we have already been contacted by British Gas who told us that Ofcom have transferred our account to them.
  • FossFoss Posts: 992

    Foss said:

    Farooq said:

    Foss said:

    justin124 said:



    When I was a child in the 1960s I had grandparents who han been born in the late 1880s up to the 1900s.Whilst they were elderly, I did not feel that they had come from a distant age totally unrelated to the world I then inhabited.
    I have also recently contemplated how 1966 was as close in time to 1910 or 1911 as to the present day. I have little doubt that the world of 1966 had far more in common with the world of 2021 than it had with that of circa 1910.

    Who said totally unrelated? You're extrapolating things that were never said.

    But yes 1960s are distant from today, and 1800s are distant from the 1960s. Not unconnected, but distant.

    Heck in some ways already I can tell there are many things that I grew up with in the 1980s and 1990s are completely distant or alien to what my kids are growing up with today.
    The average person in this country was born two years after Thatcher came to power and was just over two years too young to vote for Blair in 1997.
    The median Brit is a millennial? In the making-people-feel-old stakes, you just took gold silver and bronze. Smashed it.
    The ONS estimate for summer 2020 was 40.4.
    Then that's younger than you said. I'm not middle aged yet.
    It’s trending up by about 0.1 a year so I made a reasonable estimate for Autumn 2021.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,456
    edited September 2021

    Just had an email which seems genuine from PFP energy our (erstwhile?) energy supplier, headed "We do not have confidence in the Business Secretary, Kwasi Kwarteng".

    "...Ofgem made Kwarteng aware of the ongoing pressure to energy suppliers on 26th March 2020 but his disregard for the issues and lack of willingness to create support for the industry has resulted in a large increase in the cost of powering homes and hundreds of job losses..."

    Interesting tactic, if genuine.

    "create support" == bail me out as my business model has failed?
    Too late, they have already ceased trading 2 weeks ago, British Gas taken over the accounts. So I don't know where this supposed email is coming from. Disgruntled employee?

    PfP Energy Customers: Your questions on new supplier British Gas - 10th September
    https://www.ofgem.gov.uk/publications/pfp-energy-customers-your-questions-new-supplier-british-gas
  • pigeonpigeon Posts: 4,813

    Just had an email which seems genuine from PFP energy our (erstwhile?) energy supplier, headed "We do not have confidence in the Business Secretary, Kwasi Kwarteng".

    "...Ofgem made Kwarteng aware of the ongoing pressure to energy suppliers on 26th March 2020 but his disregard for the issues and lack of willingness to create support for the industry has resulted in a large increase in the cost of powering homes and hundreds of job losses..."

    Interesting tactic, if genuine.

    I expect they have been told by HMG that they are not going to be bailed out by the taxpayer
    Though if gas supply constraints carry on for any length of time the Government may be forced to provide some kind of support, albeit to a much smaller group of big suppliers once the bankruptcy of all the smaller ones has resulted in substantial consolidation of the sector.

    If the price cap forces the suppliers to operate at a loss they will, if that state of affairs persists for long enough, have to be bailed. The only alternatives are to let them all fail and renationalise, which would probably involve a period of chaos and widespread power cuts, or to scrap price capping and let the companies apply enormous hikes to energy bills to cover their costs. Bailouts would be much the most palatable option under those circumstances.
  • Just had an email which seems genuine from PFP energy our (erstwhile?) energy supplier, headed "We do not have confidence in the Business Secretary, Kwasi Kwarteng".

    "...Ofgem made Kwarteng aware of the ongoing pressure to energy suppliers on 26th March 2020 but his disregard for the issues and lack of willingness to create support for the industry has resulted in a large increase in the cost of powering homes and hundreds of job losses..."

    Interesting tactic, if genuine.

    "create support" == bail me out as my business model has failed?
    Sure, I'm not especially sympathetic but it's an interesting tactic nonetheless (though doomed to failure of course).
    Not sure Ofgem would approve either
  • FossFoss Posts: 992
    Farooq said:

    Foss said:

    Farooq said:

    Foss said:

    justin124 said:



    When I was a child in the 1960s I had grandparents who han been born in the late 1880s up to the 1900s.Whilst they were elderly, I did not feel that they had come from a distant age totally unrelated to the world I then inhabited.
    I have also recently contemplated how 1966 was as close in time to 1910 or 1911 as to the present day. I have little doubt that the world of 1966 had far more in common with the world of 2021 than it had with that of circa 1910.

    Who said totally unrelated? You're extrapolating things that were never said.

    But yes 1960s are distant from today, and 1800s are distant from the 1960s. Not unconnected, but distant.

    Heck in some ways already I can tell there are many things that I grew up with in the 1980s and 1990s are completely distant or alien to what my kids are growing up with today.
    The average person in this country was born two years after Thatcher came to power and was just over two years too young to vote for Blair in 1997.
    The median Brit is a millennial? In the making-people-feel-old stakes, you just took gold silver and bronze. Smashed it.
    The ONS estimate for summer 2020 was 40.4.
    Yes, that's just about millennial. Wonder if that number has changed a lot since Boris offed all those grannies?
    I’d guess it was more than balanced out by the Eastern European Exodus.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 62,749
    edited September 2021

    Third dancer on strictly refused vaccine

    Show should be taken off air

    Isn't that a bit Cancel Culture?
    I think you said it yourself, would anyone want to dance with all that sweat etc with an unvaccinated partner

  • Aaron Bastani
    @AaronBastani
    HERE WE GO?

    Whispers of Labour going back to electoral college in selecting next leader with it being 1/3rd PLP, 1/3rd trade unions & 1/3rd CLPs. Could be going to NEC Friday...

    Corbynite legacy may be little more than reversal of Miliband reforms. Unison & GMB may decide it.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 54,677
    The presser of the French Foreign Minister in New York for the UN

    Taking questions in English, waiting for the translation, huge delay, much confusion, apparently he can't speak English?

    The French Foreign Minister. AWKS


    https://twitter.com/visactu/status/1440056384863621124?s=20
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,586
    pigeon said:

    Farooq said:

    justin124 said:

    justin124 said:

    justin124 said:

    If Thatcher or May had been revealed to have committed adultery , would either have become Tory leader? Truss is also a former Libdem.

    Why not?

    What kind of closed-minded intolerant idiot would care about that ephemera?

    Thankfully not the Tory membership. That's already been put to the test.
    Do you really believe that Thatcher - or May - having had a kid or two out of wedlock would have had no impact on her leadership ambitions? I suspect that even being selected as a PPC would have proved problematic.
    Could it have been an issue in the distant past? Absolutely, though a woman or a minority getting elected was a bigger challenge. Thank goodness those days are over eh?

    Would it be an issue today? Or recent past for May? No of course not, don't be a dingbat. That's already been put to the test and a serial adulterer won a landslide leadership election victory.
    Most people are likely to view the 1960s and 1970s as the recent past - ie'afew years ago' - rather a period little different from Victorian Britain. I doubt that most people view The Beatles as ancient history.
    No offence but maybe old people feel that was only a few years ago, but yes sixty years ago are quite a distant past now and the times have quite rightly changed since then.

    To put it into context the distance between today and 1960 is the same distance as the Victorian era from 1960, or 1980 from the First World War. I certainly felt growing up in the 80s that WW1 was in the ancient past. Did any child of the 60s feel the Victorian era was only a few years ago then?
    You are making me feel old !!!!!!
    Girls Just Wanna Have Fun was released closer to WW2 than to today.
    In a similar vein, my date of birth is closer to the Abdication Crisis than the present day.

    It'd be time for a stiff drink if I had any booze in the flat. A Kit Kat will have to suffice :frowning:
    Well mine's closer to Victoria's reign than to today!
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,637

    Just had an email which seems genuine from PFP energy our (erstwhile?) energy supplier, headed "We do not have confidence in the Business Secretary, Kwasi Kwarteng".

    "...Ofgem made Kwarteng aware of the ongoing pressure to energy suppliers on 26th March 2020 but his disregard for the issues and lack of willingness to create support for the industry has resulted in a large increase in the cost of powering homes and hundreds of job losses..."

    Interesting tactic, if genuine.

    "create support" == bail me out as my business model has failed?
    Sure, I'm not especially sympathetic but it's an interesting tactic nonetheless (though doomed to failure of course).
    Not sure Ofgem would approve either
    PFP went bust a fortnight ago.

    I have provided my final readings last week to them and British Gas who have transferred me in on a tariff below price cap till April 2022
  • Leon said:

    @julianborger
    French FM Le Drian says he has no intention of meeting his counterpart Secretary of State Tony Blinken at the UN, "though I might see him here or there, in a corridor".


    https://twitter.com/julianborger/status/1440060905706819590

    Oh god. What is French for *cringe*

    LE CRINGE? LE GRANDE CRINGE
    Good to see Germany signing an agreement with Australia today over space exploration
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,427

    Farooq said:

    Third dancer on strictly refused vaccine

    Show should be taken off air

    Why?
    It is a terrible advert against the campaign for everyone to be vaccinated
    Mrs P and I were wondering which celebs would want to dance with an unvaccinated professional dancer?

    Indeed, I'd expect confirmation that your partner is vaccinated would be in the contract.
    Why? If they’re vaccinated themselves, who cares?
  • pigeonpigeon Posts: 4,813
    Farooq said:

    Foss said:

    Farooq said:

    Foss said:

    justin124 said:



    When I was a child in the 1960s I had grandparents who han been born in the late 1880s up to the 1900s.Whilst they were elderly, I did not feel that they had come from a distant age totally unrelated to the world I then inhabited.
    I have also recently contemplated how 1966 was as close in time to 1910 or 1911 as to the present day. I have little doubt that the world of 1966 had far more in common with the world of 2021 than it had with that of circa 1910.

    Who said totally unrelated? You're extrapolating things that were never said.

    But yes 1960s are distant from today, and 1800s are distant from the 1960s. Not unconnected, but distant.

    Heck in some ways already I can tell there are many things that I grew up with in the 1980s and 1990s are completely distant or alien to what my kids are growing up with today.
    The average person in this country was born two years after Thatcher came to power and was just over two years too young to vote for Blair in 1997.
    The median Brit is a millennial? In the making-people-feel-old stakes, you just took gold silver and bronze. Smashed it.
    The ONS estimate for summer 2020 was 40.4.
    Yes, that's just about millennial. Wonder if that number has changed a lot since Boris offed all those grannies?
    Covid has polished off, at a reasonable guess, just over 0.2% of the British population, a significant fraction of whom probably didn't have long to live anyway. A lot of individual tragedies, but not enough to make any significant difference to that particular statistic.
  • Leon said:

    The presser of the French Foreign Minister in New York for the UN

    Taking questions in English, waiting for the translation, huge delay, much confusion, apparently he can't speak English?

    The French Foreign Minister. AWKS


    https://twitter.com/visactu/status/1440056384863621124?s=20

    He's French. Even if he could speak fluent English he'd wait for the translation.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,456
    edited September 2021
    I am interested to know why so many of these tiny energy companies, who don't produce any energy, have sprung up in the past 2-3-4 years.

    I mean I presume there was money to be made in quiet times, but it still a terrible business model to get into, you don't produce any of the product yourself, and are totally reliant on are having to bet on the futures market, and I can't see how a tiny energy company with a small number of employees enjoys any of the economies of scale when it comes to advertising, marketing and customer support.

    I would have thought if you were such a whizz on energy futures, you would be just better being a trading outfit and not having to worry about Maureen from Margate getting very angry that her meter reading is wrong.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,270
    edited September 2021

    pigeon said:

    Farooq said:

    justin124 said:

    justin124 said:

    justin124 said:

    If Thatcher or May had been revealed to have committed adultery , would either have become Tory leader? Truss is also a former Libdem.

    Why not?

    What kind of closed-minded intolerant idiot would care about that ephemera?

    Thankfully not the Tory membership. That's already been put to the test.
    Do you really believe that Thatcher - or May - having had a kid or two out of wedlock would have had no impact on her leadership ambitions? I suspect that even being selected as a PPC would have proved problematic.
    Could it have been an issue in the distant past? Absolutely, though a woman or a minority getting elected was a bigger challenge. Thank goodness those days are over eh?

    Would it be an issue today? Or recent past for May? No of course not, don't be a dingbat. That's already been put to the test and a serial adulterer won a landslide leadership election victory.
    Most people are likely to view the 1960s and 1970s as the recent past - ie'afew years ago' - rather a period little different from Victorian Britain. I doubt that most people view The Beatles as ancient history.
    No offence but maybe old people feel that was only a few years ago, but yes sixty years ago are quite a distant past now and the times have quite rightly changed since then.

    To put it into context the distance between today and 1960 is the same distance as the Victorian era from 1960, or 1980 from the First World War. I certainly felt growing up in the 80s that WW1 was in the ancient past. Did any child of the 60s feel the Victorian era was only a few years ago then?
    You are making me feel old !!!!!!
    Girls Just Wanna Have Fun was released closer to WW2 than to today.
    In a similar vein, my date of birth is closer to the Abdication Crisis than the present day.

    It'd be time for a stiff drink if I had any booze in the flat. A Kit Kat will have to suffice :frowning:
    Well mine's closer to Victoria's reign than to today!
    That genuinely surprises me. I always thought you were younger than me. My DoB is still closer to the Titanic than to the present day. Which is kind of strange to consider.
  • Leon said:

    The presser of the French Foreign Minister in New York for the UN

    Taking questions in English, waiting for the translation, huge delay, much confusion, apparently he can't speak English?

    The French Foreign Minister. AWKS


    https://twitter.com/visactu/status/1440056384863621124?s=20

    Beyond belief
  • Le Drian is saying that the decision by "the US and Australia" recalls an era of unilateralism that they thought had been left behind, and he claims France has the full support of the EU.
  • Farooq said:

    Third dancer on strictly refused vaccine

    Show should be taken off air

    Why?
    It is a terrible advert against the campaign for everyone to be vaccinated
    Mrs P and I were wondering which celebs would want to dance with an unvaccinated professional dancer?

    Indeed, I'd expect confirmation that your partner is vaccinated would be in the contract.
    Why? If they’re vaccinated themselves, who cares?
    Vaccination does not provide 100% protection
  • LeonLeon Posts: 54,677

    Leon said:

    The presser of the French Foreign Minister in New York for the UN

    Taking questions in English, waiting for the translation, huge delay, much confusion, apparently he can't speak English?

    The French Foreign Minister. AWKS


    https://twitter.com/visactu/status/1440056384863621124?s=20

    He's French. Even if he could speak fluent English he'd wait for the translation.
    Sure, in Paris

    But he's in NYC for the UN meeting and he surely wants to make the case for France. He needs to speak in fluent, persuasive English, to all the major Anglo journalists in the room (and every other country, that uses English,
    as a lingua franca, worldwide). But apparently he can't speak it, so the presser is awkward, sad, dull, and mystifying

    How can you possibly have a Foreign Minister that doesn't speak English?! Mad
  • pigeon said:

    Just had an email which seems genuine from PFP energy our (erstwhile?) energy supplier, headed "We do not have confidence in the Business Secretary, Kwasi Kwarteng".

    "...Ofgem made Kwarteng aware of the ongoing pressure to energy suppliers on 26th March 2020 but his disregard for the issues and lack of willingness to create support for the industry has resulted in a large increase in the cost of powering homes and hundreds of job losses..."

    Interesting tactic, if genuine.

    I expect they have been told by HMG that they are not going to be bailed out by the taxpayer
    Though if gas supply constraints carry on for any length of time the Government may be forced to provide some kind of support, albeit to a much smaller group of big suppliers once the bankruptcy of all the smaller ones has resulted in substantial consolidation of the sector.

    If the price cap forces the suppliers to operate at a loss they will, if that state of affairs persists for long enough, have to be bailed. The only alternatives are to let them all fail and renationalise, which would probably involve a period of chaos and widespread power cuts, or to scrap price capping and let the companies apply enormous hikes to energy bills to cover their costs. Bailouts would be much the most palatable option under those circumstances.
    The big boys have hedged supplies is my understanding.

    That is the difference with the business model of the little start-ups with funny names who are all sunk this week I reckon.

    Of course if this price spike goes on for months and months then the hedging may run out of road.
  • Leon said:

    Leon said:

    The presser of the French Foreign Minister in New York for the UN

    Taking questions in English, waiting for the translation, huge delay, much confusion, apparently he can't speak English?

    The French Foreign Minister. AWKS


    https://twitter.com/visactu/status/1440056384863621124?s=20

    He's French. Even if he could speak fluent English he'd wait for the translation.
    Sure, in Paris

    But he's in NYC for the UN meeting and he surely wants to make the case for France. He needs to speak in fluent, persuasive English, to all the major Anglo journalists in the room (and every other country, that uses English,
    as a lingua franca, worldwide). But apparently he can't speak it, so the presser is awkward, sad, dull, and mystifying

    How can you possibly have a Foreign Minister that doesn't speak English?! Mad
    Of course he will speak English...I just presume he is one of those French types who insists on saying “la fin de semaine" rather than le weekend.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,586

    pigeon said:

    Farooq said:

    justin124 said:

    justin124 said:

    justin124 said:

    If Thatcher or May had been revealed to have committed adultery , would either have become Tory leader? Truss is also a former Libdem.

    Why not?

    What kind of closed-minded intolerant idiot would care about that ephemera?

    Thankfully not the Tory membership. That's already been put to the test.
    Do you really believe that Thatcher - or May - having had a kid or two out of wedlock would have had no impact on her leadership ambitions? I suspect that even being selected as a PPC would have proved problematic.
    Could it have been an issue in the distant past? Absolutely, though a woman or a minority getting elected was a bigger challenge. Thank goodness those days are over eh?

    Would it be an issue today? Or recent past for May? No of course not, don't be a dingbat. That's already been put to the test and a serial adulterer won a landslide leadership election victory.
    Most people are likely to view the 1960s and 1970s as the recent past - ie'afew years ago' - rather a period little different from Victorian Britain. I doubt that most people view The Beatles as ancient history.
    No offence but maybe old people feel that was only a few years ago, but yes sixty years ago are quite a distant past now and the times have quite rightly changed since then.

    To put it into context the distance between today and 1960 is the same distance as the Victorian era from 1960, or 1980 from the First World War. I certainly felt growing up in the 80s that WW1 was in the ancient past. Did any child of the 60s feel the Victorian era was only a few years ago then?
    You are making me feel old !!!!!!
    Girls Just Wanna Have Fun was released closer to WW2 than to today.
    In a similar vein, my date of birth is closer to the Abdication Crisis than the present day.

    It'd be time for a stiff drink if I had any booze in the flat. A Kit Kat will have to suffice :frowning:
    Well mine's closer to Victoria's reign than to today!
    That genuinely surprises me. I always thought you were younger than me. My DoB is still closer to the Titanic than to the present day. Which is kind of strange to consider.
    Sadly, I am now 61, though I still feel like 30ish mentally.
  • Leon said:

    Leon said:

    The presser of the French Foreign Minister in New York for the UN

    Taking questions in English, waiting for the translation, huge delay, much confusion, apparently he can't speak English?

    The French Foreign Minister. AWKS


    https://twitter.com/visactu/status/1440056384863621124?s=20

    He's French. Even if he could speak fluent English he'd wait for the translation.
    Sure, in Paris

    But he's in NYC for the UN meeting and he surely wants to make the case for France. He needs to speak in fluent, persuasive English, to all the major Anglo journalists in the room (and every other country, that uses English,
    as a lingua franca, worldwide). But apparently he can't speak it, so the presser is awkward, sad, dull, and mystifying

    How can you possibly have a Foreign Minister that doesn't speak English?! Mad
    Just because he isn't speaking English, doesn't mean he can't. I've never seen a French minister speak in English even if they're perfectly fluent, its a matter of national pride.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,480

    Third dancer on strictly refused vaccine

    Show should be taken off air

    Isn't that a bit Cancel Culture?
    I think you said it yourself, would anyone want to dance with all that sweat etc with an unvaccinated partner
    Many seem to be doing so this week at Freshers events!

  • LeonLeon Posts: 54,677

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    The presser of the French Foreign Minister in New York for the UN

    Taking questions in English, waiting for the translation, huge delay, much confusion, apparently he can't speak English?

    The French Foreign Minister. AWKS


    https://twitter.com/visactu/status/1440056384863621124?s=20

    He's French. Even if he could speak fluent English he'd wait for the translation.
    Sure, in Paris

    But he's in NYC for the UN meeting and he surely wants to make the case for France. He needs to speak in fluent, persuasive English, to all the major Anglo journalists in the room (and every other country, that uses English,
    as a lingua franca, worldwide). But apparently he can't speak it, so the presser is awkward, sad, dull, and mystifying

    How can you possibly have a Foreign Minister that doesn't speak English?! Mad
    Of course he will speak English...I just presume he is one of those French types who insists on saying “la fin de semaine" rather than le weekend.
    I presume you are right, but there are French twitterers saying he actually can't speak it. But they may be political enemies laughing at him. I dunno
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,586

    Leon said:

    The presser of the French Foreign Minister in New York for the UN

    Taking questions in English, waiting for the translation, huge delay, much confusion, apparently he can't speak English?

    The French Foreign Minister. AWKS


    https://twitter.com/visactu/status/1440056384863621124?s=20

    Beyond belief
    Do you think Liz Truss could take a press conference in French?
  • Leon said:

    The presser of the French Foreign Minister in New York for the UN

    Taking questions in English, waiting for the translation, huge delay, much confusion, apparently he can't speak English?

    The French Foreign Minister. AWKS


    https://twitter.com/visactu/status/1440056384863621124?s=20

    Beyond belief
    Do you think Liz Truss could take a press conference in French?
    French isn't the lingua franca of the entire planet.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 54,677

    Leon said:

    The presser of the French Foreign Minister in New York for the UN

    Taking questions in English, waiting for the translation, huge delay, much confusion, apparently he can't speak English?

    The French Foreign Minister. AWKS


    https://twitter.com/visactu/status/1440056384863621124?s=20

    Beyond belief
    Do you think Liz Truss could take a press conference in French?
    No, nor should she be expected to, because French is not the common language of the global elite, world journalism, plus aviation, tourism, business, industry, sport, music, TV, trade, art, the internet, nor is it the language of New York City, where Drian is actually speaking in his press conference

    Does Truss speak Portuguese or Turkish? No. Because it is not necessary, nor is French
  • Leon said:

    The presser of the French Foreign Minister in New York for the UN

    Taking questions in English, waiting for the translation, huge delay, much confusion, apparently he can't speak English?

    The French Foreign Minister. AWKS


    https://twitter.com/visactu/status/1440056384863621124?s=20

    Beyond belief
    Do you think Liz Truss could take a press conference in French?
    It is just courtesy to speak the language of your hosts if you are able to do so
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,586
    edited September 2021

    I am interested to know why so many of these tiny energy companies, who don't produce any energy, have sprung up in the past 2-3-4 years.

    I mean I presume there was money to be made in quiet times, but it still a terrible business model to get into, you don't produce any of the product yourself, and are totally reliant on are having to bet on the futures market, and I can't see how a tiny energy company with a small number of employees enjoys any of the economies of scale when it comes to advertising, marketing and customer support.

    I would have thought if you were such a whizz on energy futures, you would be just better being a trading outfit and not having to worry about Maureen from Margate getting very angry that her meter reading is wrong.

    It's the same basic flaw as with a lot of this pseudo-market stuff. You get the business by quoting low and hoping for the best. Quoting low gets you to the top of the market comarison sites and the business just rolls in as a result.

    If it all goes pear-shape, so what? You just reneg on your contract and fold the company. (See also, rail franchises.)
  • LeonLeon Posts: 54,677

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    The presser of the French Foreign Minister in New York for the UN

    Taking questions in English, waiting for the translation, huge delay, much confusion, apparently he can't speak English?

    The French Foreign Minister. AWKS


    https://twitter.com/visactu/status/1440056384863621124?s=20

    He's French. Even if he could speak fluent English he'd wait for the translation.
    Sure, in Paris

    But he's in NYC for the UN meeting and he surely wants to make the case for France. He needs to speak in fluent, persuasive English, to all the major Anglo journalists in the room (and every other country, that uses English,
    as a lingua franca, worldwide). But apparently he can't speak it, so the presser is awkward, sad, dull, and mystifying

    How can you possibly have a Foreign Minister that doesn't speak English?! Mad
    Just because he isn't speaking English, doesn't mean he can't. I've never seen a French minister speak in English even if they're perfectly fluent, its a matter of national pride.
    I differ. Macron speaks pretty good English, albeit with a heavy accent, and has done it at pressers. Barnier also. Plenty others

    The interesting case is Sarkozy. He cannot speak good English, but he has expressed regret for this, and he told French people that they should accept learning English in the future is "just a thing you have to do, like getting a driving licence"
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,661
    The fact is those small energy suppliers were speculating and have been literally caught short.
  • I am interested to know why so many of these tiny energy companies, who don't produce any energy, have sprung up in the past 2-3-4 years.

    I mean I presume there was money to be made in quiet times, but it still a terrible business model to get into, you don't produce any of the product yourself, and are totally reliant on are having to bet on the futures market, and I can't see how a tiny energy company with a small number of employees enjoys any of the economies of scale when it comes to advertising, marketing and customer support.

    I would have thought if you were such a whizz on energy futures, you would be just better being a trading outfit and not having to worry about Maureen from Margate getting very angry that her meter reading is wrong.

    It's the same basic flaw as with a lot of this pseudo-market stuff. You get the business by quoting low and hoping for the best. Quoting low gets you to the top of the market comarison sites and the business just rolls in as a result.

    If it all goes pear-shape, so what? You just reneg on your contract and fold the company. (See also, rail franchises.)
    I think I will give it a miss as a business opportunity....
  • Farooq said:

    Leon said:

    The presser of the French Foreign Minister in New York for the UN

    Taking questions in English, waiting for the translation, huge delay, much confusion, apparently he can't speak English?

    The French Foreign Minister. AWKS


    https://twitter.com/visactu/status/1440056384863621124?s=20

    Beyond belief
    Do you think Liz Truss could take a press conference in French?
    It is just courtesy to speak the language of your hosts if you are able to do so
    The host being the United Nations, which has six official languages, including... yup, you guessed it.
    I suppose if the French want to strop on the international stage then so be it, but it does not do them any favours
  • theProletheProle Posts: 1,178

    Scott_xP said:
    I cannot understand why the government hasnt solved this problem today. The CO2 comes as by-product from two fertilizer producers who have halted work because of the energy costs.

    Pay the frigging energy costs for them for the next couple of months as an emergency measure!!

    Seems we have a government that can merrily ban grandads from hugging their grandkids and shutter the pubs for months on end, but can't do something as simple as this.
    Isn't the minor detail that the reason for said energy cost is because we're burning every available therm of gas to keep the lights on, which is why they've been priced out of the market.

    If the government starts funding the energy costs of users who can't pay, then we'll end up with more demand than supply, and the lights going out.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,586
    edited September 2021

    Leon said:

    The presser of the French Foreign Minister in New York for the UN

    Taking questions in English, waiting for the translation, huge delay, much confusion, apparently he can't speak English?

    The French Foreign Minister. AWKS


    https://twitter.com/visactu/status/1440056384863621124?s=20

    Beyond belief
    Do you think Liz Truss could take a press conference in French?
    It is just courtesy to speak the language of your hosts if you are able to do so
    Yes but @Leon was saying he can't speak English.

    Put it another way: I can speak French - I can get by. But no way would I be able to take a press conference in French.
  • Farooq said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    The presser of the French Foreign Minister in New York for the UN

    Taking questions in English, waiting for the translation, huge delay, much confusion, apparently he can't speak English?

    The French Foreign Minister. AWKS


    https://twitter.com/visactu/status/1440056384863621124?s=20

    Beyond belief
    Do you think Liz Truss could take a press conference in French?
    No, nor should she be expected to, because French is not the common language of the global elite, world journalism, plus aviation, tourism, business, industry, sport, music, TV, trade, art, the internet, nor is it the language of New York City, where Drian is actually speaking in his press conference

    Does Truss speak Portuguese or Turkish? No. Because it is not necessary, nor is French
    Oh, it's the language of the elite. Ok, got it now.
    Not the elite

    It is the language accepted across the globe and we are very fortunate it is
  • Le Drian says that "Europe is excluded" from Aukus. I suspect he thinks Europe is a synonym for France.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,661

    Le Drian says that "Europe is excluded" from Aukus. I suspect he thinks Europe is a synonym for France.

    Fog in Channel. Europe isolated.

  • LeonLeon Posts: 54,677
    Farooq said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    The presser of the French Foreign Minister in New York for the UN

    Taking questions in English, waiting for the translation, huge delay, much confusion, apparently he can't speak English?

    The French Foreign Minister. AWKS


    https://twitter.com/visactu/status/1440056384863621124?s=20

    Beyond belief
    Do you think Liz Truss could take a press conference in French?
    No, nor should she be expected to, because French is not the common language of the global elite, world journalism, plus aviation, tourism, business, industry, sport, music, TV, trade, art, the internet, nor is it the language of New York City, where Drian is actually speaking in his press conference

    Does Truss speak Portuguese or Turkish? No. Because it is not necessary, nor is French
    Oh, it's the language of the elite. Ok, got it now.
    It's the first language of the internet and the universal second language of the world, and it isn't going away. Ignoring this is ridiculous French nostalgie

    For a couple of centuries anyone who thought themselves civilised in Europe had to speak French. And they did

    I've seen Pushkin's note to his alleged French cuckolder, challenging him to a duel, in the Pushkin museum in St Petersburg. It is written in immaculate French, it is brilliant. It says "I would like to kill you at 9am Thursday" mais, j'ai l'honneur d'etre votre" etc etc

    Now diplo-French has gone, never to return. They REALLY need to get over this shit
  • Not the Nine O'clock News, in their parody of That's Life, had it nailed:

    'We phoned the Electricity Board.'

    'They said...'

    "This has absolutely nothing to do with us."

    'Cyril...'

    Goodnight comrades.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 56,925

    Just had an email which seems genuine from PFP energy our (erstwhile?) energy supplier, headed "We do not have confidence in the Business Secretary, Kwasi Kwarteng".

    "...Ofgem made Kwarteng aware of the ongoing pressure to energy suppliers on 26th March 2020 but his disregard for the issues and lack of willingness to create support for the industry has resulted in a large increase in the cost of powering homes and hundreds of job losses..."

    Interesting tactic, if genuine.

    On 26 March 2020, PFP could have hedged their entire energy exposure at about a quarter of current prices.

    And somehow Kwarteng is responsible?
  • Leon said:

    The presser of the French Foreign Minister in New York for the UN

    Taking questions in English, waiting for the translation, huge delay, much confusion, apparently he can't speak English?

    The French Foreign Minister. AWKS


    https://twitter.com/visactu/status/1440056384863621124?s=20

    Beyond belief
    Do you think Liz Truss could take a press conference in French?
    It is just courtesy to speak the language of your hosts if you are able to do so
    Yes but @Leon was saying he can't speak English.

    Put it another way: I can speak French - I can get by. But no way would I be able to take a press conference in French.
    I actually delivered a speech in French years ago at a meeting in France

    It was very O level but it was appreciated

    Indeed we went on a bus tour from New York to Canada and back to Washington and then New York

    In Quebec we were taken to a French restaurant and I had to order in French

    The Americans with us could not speak a word of French and were not served, leaving the restaurant in dismay
  • Le Drian says that "Europe is excluded" from Aukus. I suspect he thinks Europe is a synonym for France.

    I think its fair enough to have Europe as a synonym for the EU and thus excluding the UK.

    'America' is not a synonym for Canada.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,320
    edited September 2021

    Le Drian says that "Europe is excluded" from Aukus. I suspect he thinks Europe is a synonym for France.

    I think its fair enough to have Europe as a synonym for the EU and thus excluding the UK.

    'America' is not a synonym for Canada.
    He keeps repeating it in contexts where it can only mean France. Also the EU isn't a state.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,586

    I am interested to know why so many of these tiny energy companies, who don't produce any energy, have sprung up in the past 2-3-4 years.

    I mean I presume there was money to be made in quiet times, but it still a terrible business model to get into, you don't produce any of the product yourself, and are totally reliant on are having to bet on the futures market, and I can't see how a tiny energy company with a small number of employees enjoys any of the economies of scale when it comes to advertising, marketing and customer support.

    I would have thought if you were such a whizz on energy futures, you would be just better being a trading outfit and not having to worry about Maureen from Margate getting very angry that her meter reading is wrong.

    It's the same basic flaw as with a lot of this pseudo-market stuff. You get the business by quoting low and hoping for the best. Quoting low gets you to the top of the market comarison sites and the business just rolls in as a result.

    If it all goes pear-shape, so what? You just reneg on your contract and fold the company. (See also, rail franchises.)
    I think I will give it a miss as a business opportunity....
    Me too. But I think the whole model is artificial. There should be a market for energy production and wholesale supply but the network and distribution to homes and businesses should just be a standard service: one set of rates, no switching, and thus no costs of switching admin having to be baked into the consumer prices.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 56,925

    Foss said:

    Farooq said:

    Foss said:

    justin124 said:



    When I was a child in the 1960s I had grandparents who han been born in the late 1880s up to the 1900s.Whilst they were elderly, I did not feel that they had come from a distant age totally unrelated to the world I then inhabited.
    I have also recently contemplated how 1966 was as close in time to 1910 or 1911 as to the present day. I have little doubt that the world of 1966 had far more in common with the world of 2021 than it had with that of circa 1910.

    Who said totally unrelated? You're extrapolating things that were never said.

    But yes 1960s are distant from today, and 1800s are distant from the 1960s. Not unconnected, but distant.

    Heck in some ways already I can tell there are many things that I grew up with in the 1980s and 1990s are completely distant or alien to what my kids are growing up with today.
    The average person in this country was born two years after Thatcher came to power and was just over two years too young to vote for Blair in 1997.
    The median Brit is a millennial? In the making-people-feel-old stakes, you just took gold silver and bronze. Smashed it.
    The ONS estimate for summer 2020 was 40.4.
    Then that's younger than you said. I'm not middle aged yet.

    EDIT: No it is what you said. I just rounded in my head from 81 to 82
    As immigrants tend to skew young, it's possible that the median age of British born is a little older.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,209
    IshmaelZ said:

    Glom said:

    Hi, everyone. It is technically my first post, but I have been lurking for many, many years. The thread header has finally made me feel I should contribute.

    It is disappointing that Cyclefree, who wrote so much on the subject of Corbyn Labour's blind spots to bigotry in the form of antisemitism, has now fallen so deeply into her own blind spot.

    To be clear, this isn't about condemning abuse and intimidation of people like Rosie Duffield. Of course, such behaviour is contemptible (not to mention counterproductive). Nor is this even about concerns over protection of women's spaces if gender recognition is made too easy to abuse.

    Also "chest-feeding", if indeed that term is used, is stupid. What organ are you using to nurse the child if not a breast?

    As the old saying goes, it's not what you say, it's how you say it. And this article, while articulating concerns about intimidation of those who are concerned about protections for women, does so in a way that is deeply transphobic. It is so because wording goes out of its way to pay no respect whatsoever to the validity of trans people as trans people.

    "in response to a question from Justin Webb on the Today programme about whether there was anywhere biological males should not go – replied “No, no”."

    I haven't seen the programme, but I highly doubt it went down like that. I'm sure the question was about transwomen specifically. By paraphrasing it in this way, Cyclefree is denying that transwomen are any different at any level from any man. They are basically just "men in dresses", a known anti-trans slur that she has in fact used in the past few days, but would never abide, from her writing on Corbynism, its antisemitic equivalents such as Zio or even the coded used of theoretically objective term Zionist.

    "let along something to be recategorized out of existence to assuage the feelings of some men."

    If the concern is predatory men abusing self-ID to access women's protected spaces, this is clearly not targeted at them, because recognition of trans people is not intended to protect their feelings, obviously. Rather it is targeted at transwomen, again denying that they are indeed so. Just "men in dresses".

    Denying the validity of transwomen, especially when conflating them with trojan horse predation, i.e. something to feared, is the very definition of transphobia.

    I'm sure Cyclefree doesn't want to be associated with any form of bigotry, hence brisling against being labelled transphobic, but if you deny the legitimacy of trans people and are blase about using insensitive and demeaning terminology to refer to them, then how else would you describe your attitude towards them?

    Clearly, we have a long way to go, but at least these issues are being talked about.

    Let me guess: you are not trans, you don't know any trans people well, and are a lefty looking for a cause. How on earth do you expect to be taken seriously if you label this piece "deeply transphobic"? Let me tell you a secret: trans people are not all the same.
    You sound like an arsehole for sure, pompous one at that.
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,048

    Not the Nine O'clock News, in their parody of That's Life, had it nailed:

    'We phoned the Electricity Board.'

    'They said...'

    "This has absolutely nothing to do with us."

    'Cyril...'

    Goodnight comrades.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2QZprRgxDc
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,661

    Le Drian says that "Europe is excluded" from Aukus. I suspect he thinks Europe is a synonym for France.

    I think its fair enough to have Europe as a synonym for the EU and thus excluding the UK.

    'America' is not a synonym for Canada.
    He keeps repeating it in contexts where it can only mean France. Also the EU isn't a state.
    That's a fine Gallic tradition. When de Gaulle referred to La France he meant himself.

  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,586
    What is the likelihood HMG uses the current energy price scare as a face-saver for keeping the UC £20?
  • geoffw said:

    Le Drian says that "Europe is excluded" from Aukus. I suspect he thinks Europe is a synonym for France.

    I think its fair enough to have Europe as a synonym for the EU and thus excluding the UK.

    'America' is not a synonym for Canada.
    He keeps repeating it in contexts where it can only mean France. Also the EU isn't a state.
    That's a fine Gallic tradition. When de Gaulle referred to La France he meant himself.

    After the first veto, Duncan Sandys said that we're dealing with a man who thinks that France is Europe and that he is France.
  • Leon said:

    The presser of the French Foreign Minister in New York for the UN

    Taking questions in English, waiting for the translation, huge delay, much confusion, apparently he can't speak English?

    The French Foreign Minister. AWKS


    https://twitter.com/visactu/status/1440056384863621124?s=20

    Beyond belief
    Do you think Liz Truss could take a press conference in French?
    It is just courtesy to speak the language of your hosts if you are able to do so
    Yes but @Leon was saying he can't speak English.

    Put it another way: I can speak French - I can get by. But no way would I be able to take a press conference in French.
    I actually delivered a speech in French years ago at a meeting in France*

    It was very O level but it was appreciated

    Indeed we went on a bus tour from New York to Canada and back to Washington and then New York

    In Quebec we were taken to a French restaurant and I had to order in French

    The Americans with us could not speak a word of French and were not served, leaving the restaurant in dismay
    *My wife reminds me the speech was actually in Brussels in 1975
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,169
    I thought TissuePrice had posted a link to the Canadian election show but I can't find it. Does anyone remember when or what time he posted it? Maybe it was on a previous thread.
  • What is the likelihood HMG uses the current energy price scare as a face-saver for keeping the UC £20?

    I would be delighted even if they rename it as an energy credit
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,824
    Andy_JS said:

    I thought TissuePrice had posted a link to the Canadian election show but I can't find it. Does anyone remember when or what time he posted it? Maybe it was on a previous thread.

    It was @DoubleCarpet :
    https://vf.politicalbetting.com/discussion/comment/3573680#Comment_3573680
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,661

    geoffw said:

    Le Drian says that "Europe is excluded" from Aukus. I suspect he thinks Europe is a synonym for France.

    I think its fair enough to have Europe as a synonym for the EU and thus excluding the UK.

    'America' is not a synonym for Canada.
    He keeps repeating it in contexts where it can only mean France. Also the EU isn't a state.
    That's a fine Gallic tradition. When de Gaulle referred to La France he meant himself.

    After the first veto, Duncan Sandys said that we're dealing with a man who thinks that France is Europe and that he is France.
    Long ago the Sunday Times analysed many political leaders' speeches for egotism, using the simple metric of the frequency of use of the first person singular. The least egotistic person by that measure was found to be de Gaulle. Until it was pointed out that ....

  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,342

    pigeon said:

    Farooq said:

    justin124 said:

    justin124 said:

    justin124 said:

    If Thatcher or May had been revealed to have committed adultery , would either have become Tory leader? Truss is also a former Libdem.

    Why not?

    What kind of closed-minded intolerant idiot would care about that ephemera?

    Thankfully not the Tory membership. That's already been put to the test.
    Do you really believe that Thatcher - or May - having had a kid or two out of wedlock would have had no impact on her leadership ambitions? I suspect that even being selected as a PPC would have proved problematic.
    Could it have been an issue in the distant past? Absolutely, though a woman or a minority getting elected was a bigger challenge. Thank goodness those days are over eh?

    Would it be an issue today? Or recent past for May? No of course not, don't be a dingbat. That's already been put to the test and a serial adulterer won a landslide leadership election victory.
    Most people are likely to view the 1960s and 1970s as the recent past - ie'afew years ago' - rather a period little different from Victorian Britain. I doubt that most people view The Beatles as ancient history.
    No offence but maybe old people feel that was only a few years ago, but yes sixty years ago are quite a distant past now and the times have quite rightly changed since then.

    To put it into context the distance between today and 1960 is the same distance as the Victorian era from 1960, or 1980 from the First World War. I certainly felt growing up in the 80s that WW1 was in the ancient past. Did any child of the 60s feel the Victorian era was only a few years ago then?
    You are making me feel old !!!!!!
    Girls Just Wanna Have Fun was released closer to WW2 than to today.
    In a similar vein, my date of birth is closer to the Abdication Crisis than the present day.

    It'd be time for a stiff drink if I had any booze in the flat. A Kit Kat will have to suffice :frowning:
    Well mine's closer to Victoria's reign than to today!
    I always had you down as one of our younger posters!
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,586

    Leon said:

    The presser of the French Foreign Minister in New York for the UN

    Taking questions in English, waiting for the translation, huge delay, much confusion, apparently he can't speak English?

    The French Foreign Minister. AWKS


    https://twitter.com/visactu/status/1440056384863621124?s=20

    Beyond belief
    Do you think Liz Truss could take a press conference in French?
    It is just courtesy to speak the language of your hosts if you are able to do so
    Yes but @Leon was saying he can't speak English.

    Put it another way: I can speak French - I can get by. But no way would I be able to take a press conference in French.
    I actually delivered a speech in French years ago at a meeting in France*

    It was very O level but it was appreciated

    Indeed we went on a bus tour from New York to Canada and back to Washington and then New York

    In Quebec we were taken to a French restaurant and I had to order in French

    The Americans with us could not speak a word of French and were not served, leaving the restaurant in dismay
    *My wife reminds me the speech was actually in Brussels in 1975
    1975 is closer to the Great Depression than it is to today. ;-)
  • geoffw said:

    The fact is those small energy suppliers were speculating and have been literally caught short.

    And a lot of life decisions are like that.

    If you're preparing for an exam, do you make sure you've covered every topic, or get super-prepared for a few things you hope will come up?

    In the short term, aggressive gambles can produce big winners, which is why we hear from them. But the same gambles mean that, from time to time, you lose big as well.

    It's the grown up discussion we ought to be having post-Covid; have we got the balance between efficiency and resilience right? When we cut, is it trimming flab or cutting the reserve of fat a healthy organism has to survive a hard winter?

    Bet we don't have it, though.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,586
    dixiedean said:

    pigeon said:

    Farooq said:

    justin124 said:

    justin124 said:

    justin124 said:

    If Thatcher or May had been revealed to have committed adultery , would either have become Tory leader? Truss is also a former Libdem.

    Why not?

    What kind of closed-minded intolerant idiot would care about that ephemera?

    Thankfully not the Tory membership. That's already been put to the test.
    Do you really believe that Thatcher - or May - having had a kid or two out of wedlock would have had no impact on her leadership ambitions? I suspect that even being selected as a PPC would have proved problematic.
    Could it have been an issue in the distant past? Absolutely, though a woman or a minority getting elected was a bigger challenge. Thank goodness those days are over eh?

    Would it be an issue today? Or recent past for May? No of course not, don't be a dingbat. That's already been put to the test and a serial adulterer won a landslide leadership election victory.
    Most people are likely to view the 1960s and 1970s as the recent past - ie'afew years ago' - rather a period little different from Victorian Britain. I doubt that most people view The Beatles as ancient history.
    No offence but maybe old people feel that was only a few years ago, but yes sixty years ago are quite a distant past now and the times have quite rightly changed since then.

    To put it into context the distance between today and 1960 is the same distance as the Victorian era from 1960, or 1980 from the First World War. I certainly felt growing up in the 80s that WW1 was in the ancient past. Did any child of the 60s feel the Victorian era was only a few years ago then?
    You are making me feel old !!!!!!
    Girls Just Wanna Have Fun was released closer to WW2 than to today.
    In a similar vein, my date of birth is closer to the Abdication Crisis than the present day.

    It'd be time for a stiff drink if I had any booze in the flat. A Kit Kat will have to suffice :frowning:
    Well mine's closer to Victoria's reign than to today!
    I always had you down as one of our younger posters!
    I'm flattered, though I'm sure I've mentioned several times that I'm retired.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,169
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,169
    RobD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    I thought TissuePrice had posted a link to the Canadian election show but I can't find it. Does anyone remember when or what time he posted it? Maybe it was on a previous thread.

    It was @DoubleCarpet :
    https://vf.politicalbetting.com/discussion/comment/3573680#Comment_3573680
    +1
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,872
    Scott_xP said:

    NEW: PM admits Biden has “a lot of fish to fry” before a UK trade deal.. which sounds a lot like a queue…
    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/16194445/boris-johnson-joe-biden-trade-deal/

    So if they say it will be easy its to be criticised, but if they say it will be tricky its to be criticised?
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,586

    Who is going to tell Big_G his birthday was nearer to the assassination of Lincoln than today?

    !! 😬
  • philiphphiliph Posts: 4,704

    pigeon said:

    Farooq said:

    justin124 said:

    justin124 said:

    justin124 said:

    If Thatcher or May had been revealed to have committed adultery , would either have become Tory leader? Truss is also a former Libdem.

    Why not?

    What kind of closed-minded intolerant idiot would care about that ephemera?

    Thankfully not the Tory membership. That's already been put to the test.
    Do you really believe that Thatcher - or May - having had a kid or two out of wedlock would have had no impact on her leadership ambitions? I suspect that even being selected as a PPC would have proved problematic.
    Could it have been an issue in the distant past? Absolutely, though a woman or a minority getting elected was a bigger challenge. Thank goodness those days are over eh?

    Would it be an issue today? Or recent past for May? No of course not, don't be a dingbat. That's already been put to the test and a serial adulterer won a landslide leadership election victory.
    Most people are likely to view the 1960s and 1970s as the recent past - ie'afew years ago' - rather a period little different from Victorian Britain. I doubt that most people view The Beatles as ancient history.
    No offence but maybe old people feel that was only a few years ago, but yes sixty years ago are quite a distant past now and the times have quite rightly changed since then.

    To put it into context the distance between today and 1960 is the same distance as the Victorian era from 1960, or 1980 from the First World War. I certainly felt growing up in the 80s that WW1 was in the ancient past. Did any child of the 60s feel the Victorian era was only a few years ago then?
    You are making me feel old !!!!!!
    Girls Just Wanna Have Fun was released closer to WW2 than to today.
    In a similar vein, my date of birth is closer to the Abdication Crisis than the present day.

    It'd be time for a stiff drink if I had any booze in the flat. A Kit Kat will have to suffice :frowning:
    Well mine's closer to Victoria's reign than to today!
    That genuinely surprises me. I always thought you were younger than me. My DoB is still closer to the Titanic than to the present day. Which is kind of strange to consider.
    This is fun.
    Mine is getting alarming close to equidistant to the year my company began, 1879. Another 8 years to go!
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,872

    @julianborger
    French FM Le Drian says he has no intention of meeting his counterpart Secretary of State Tony Blinken at the UN, "though I might see him here or there, in a corridor".


    https://twitter.com/julianborger/status/1440060905706819590

    Yes, that'll show 'em who's the bigger man.
  • philiph said:

    pigeon said:

    Farooq said:

    justin124 said:

    justin124 said:

    justin124 said:

    If Thatcher or May had been revealed to have committed adultery , would either have become Tory leader? Truss is also a former Libdem.

    Why not?

    What kind of closed-minded intolerant idiot would care about that ephemera?

    Thankfully not the Tory membership. That's already been put to the test.
    Do you really believe that Thatcher - or May - having had a kid or two out of wedlock would have had no impact on her leadership ambitions? I suspect that even being selected as a PPC would have proved problematic.
    Could it have been an issue in the distant past? Absolutely, though a woman or a minority getting elected was a bigger challenge. Thank goodness those days are over eh?

    Would it be an issue today? Or recent past for May? No of course not, don't be a dingbat. That's already been put to the test and a serial adulterer won a landslide leadership election victory.
    Most people are likely to view the 1960s and 1970s as the recent past - ie'afew years ago' - rather a period little different from Victorian Britain. I doubt that most people view The Beatles as ancient history.
    No offence but maybe old people feel that was only a few years ago, but yes sixty years ago are quite a distant past now and the times have quite rightly changed since then.

    To put it into context the distance between today and 1960 is the same distance as the Victorian era from 1960, or 1980 from the First World War. I certainly felt growing up in the 80s that WW1 was in the ancient past. Did any child of the 60s feel the Victorian era was only a few years ago then?
    You are making me feel old !!!!!!
    Girls Just Wanna Have Fun was released closer to WW2 than to today.
    In a similar vein, my date of birth is closer to the Abdication Crisis than the present day.

    It'd be time for a stiff drink if I had any booze in the flat. A Kit Kat will have to suffice :frowning:
    Well mine's closer to Victoria's reign than to today!
    That genuinely surprises me. I always thought you were younger than me. My DoB is still closer to the Titanic than to the present day. Which is kind of strange to consider.
    This is fun.
    Mine is getting alarming close to equidistant to the year my company began, 1879. Another 8 years to go!
    Mine is getting close to equidistant to the bombing of Pearl Harbor.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 62,749
    edited September 2021

    Who is going to tell Big_G his birthday was nearer to the assassination of Lincoln than today?

    It's OK I know I am old, confused and need to keep taking my pills, but I have so many blessings not least my wife who I met 60 years ago next year and who has been my soul mate through all those years and is a wonderful mother and grandmother

    We count our blessings every day
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 56,925

    I am interested to know why so many of these tiny energy companies, who don't produce any energy, have sprung up in the past 2-3-4 years.

    I mean I presume there was money to be made in quiet times, but it still a terrible business model to get into, you don't produce any of the product yourself, and are totally reliant on are having to bet on the futures market, and I can't see how a tiny energy company with a small number of employees enjoys any of the economies of scale when it comes to advertising, marketing and customer support.

    I would have thought if you were such a whizz on energy futures, you would be just better being a trading outfit and not having to worry about Maureen from Margate getting very angry that her meter reading is wrong.

    Yeah, but you can't raise EIS money to start an energy trading business. But you can raise it to start an energy retailer. You can therefore gamble with the government's money, and demand a bail out if you call the market wrong.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,872

    pigeon said:

    Farooq said:

    justin124 said:

    justin124 said:

    justin124 said:

    If Thatcher or May had been revealed to have committed adultery , would either have become Tory leader? Truss is also a former Libdem.

    Why not?

    What kind of closed-minded intolerant idiot would care about that ephemera?

    Thankfully not the Tory membership. That's already been put to the test.
    Do you really believe that Thatcher - or May - having had a kid or two out of wedlock would have had no impact on her leadership ambitions? I suspect that even being selected as a PPC would have proved problematic.
    Could it have been an issue in the distant past? Absolutely, though a woman or a minority getting elected was a bigger challenge. Thank goodness those days are over eh?

    Would it be an issue today? Or recent past for May? No of course not, don't be a dingbat. That's already been put to the test and a serial adulterer won a landslide leadership election victory.
    Most people are likely to view the 1960s and 1970s as the recent past - ie'afew years ago' - rather a period little different from Victorian Britain. I doubt that most people view The Beatles as ancient history.
    No offence but maybe old people feel that was only a few years ago, but yes sixty years ago are quite a distant past now and the times have quite rightly changed since then.

    To put it into context the distance between today and 1960 is the same distance as the Victorian era from 1960, or 1980 from the First World War. I certainly felt growing up in the 80s that WW1 was in the ancient past. Did any child of the 60s feel the Victorian era was only a few years ago then?
    You are making me feel old !!!!!!
    Girls Just Wanna Have Fun was released closer to WW2 than to today.
    In a similar vein, my date of birth is closer to the Abdication Crisis than the present day.

    It'd be time for a stiff drink if I had any booze in the flat. A Kit Kat will have to suffice :frowning:
    Well mine's closer to Victoria's reign than to today!
    That genuinely surprises me. I always thought you were younger than me. My DoB is still closer to the Titanic than to the present day. Which is kind of strange to consider.
    Sadly, I am now 61, though I still feel like 30ish mentally.
    I feel 30ish mentally at 30ish, so can probably look forward to feeling 60ish mentally at 61. Certainly I feel, physically, about 45, but that's what I get for sitting on my arse eating too much.
  • rcs1000 said:

    Just had an email which seems genuine from PFP energy our (erstwhile?) energy supplier, headed "We do not have confidence in the Business Secretary, Kwasi Kwarteng".

    "...Ofgem made Kwarteng aware of the ongoing pressure to energy suppliers on 26th March 2020 but his disregard for the issues and lack of willingness to create support for the industry has resulted in a large increase in the cost of powering homes and hundreds of job losses..."

    Interesting tactic, if genuine.

    On 26 March 2020, PFP could have hedged their entire energy exposure at about a quarter of current prices.

    And somehow Kwarteng is responsible?
    Today I received this email from my supplier, Good Energy.

    "You’ll no doubt have seen the news around the turbulence in the energy market which has led to several of our competitors failing and speculation about others following.

    I would like to reassure you all that Good Energy is stable, prudently run and not at risk of running into difficulty.

    Many of the suppliers under threat have taken risks, pricing below cost and don’t have the 20 years’ experience that Good Energy does in trading energy.

    We are financially and operationally sound and I am confident that we are robust enough to navigate the current market conditions. We are a well-run company with a sustainable model.

    The Good Energy team and I will keep a close eye on the situation, but please rest assured that Good Energy is in a solid position."


    I do hope it doesn't prove to be hubris, but they're not pulling their punches in respect of the companies that have collapsed.

    You'd imagine well-run companies would be outraged if others were bailed out.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,872

    Can anyone explain to me the point of having a multitude of private companies arguing about which of them pretends to supply a solitary stream of electricity and gas that is in fact supplied by somebody else? I’m now on my third fictional supplier in a year and sick to the eye-teeth of the admin.

    Just nationalise it FFS.

    More than most industries utilities really does seem, to a lot of consumers, just a matter of a different header on a bill than offering any difference.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,872

    rcs1000 said:

    Just had an email which seems genuine from PFP energy our (erstwhile?) energy supplier, headed "We do not have confidence in the Business Secretary, Kwasi Kwarteng".

    "...Ofgem made Kwarteng aware of the ongoing pressure to energy suppliers on 26th March 2020 but his disregard for the issues and lack of willingness to create support for the industry has resulted in a large increase in the cost of powering homes and hundreds of job losses..."

    Interesting tactic, if genuine.

    On 26 March 2020, PFP could have hedged their entire energy exposure at about a quarter of current prices.

    And somehow Kwarteng is responsible?
    Today I received this email from my supplier, Good Energy.

    "You’ll no doubt have seen the news around the turbulence in the energy market which has led to several of our competitors failing and speculation about others following.

    I would like to reassure you all that Good Energy is stable, prudently run and not at risk of running into difficulty.

    Many of the suppliers under threat have taken risks, pricing below cost and don’t have the 20 years’ experience that Good Energy does in trading energy.

    We are financially and operationally sound and I am confident that we are robust enough to navigate the current market conditions. We are a well-run company with a sustainable model.

    The Good Energy team and I will keep a close eye on the situation, but please rest assured that Good Energy is in a solid position."


    I do hope it doesn't prove to be hubris, but they're not pulling their punches in respect of the companies that have collapsed.

    You'd imagine well-run companies would be outraged if others were bailed out.
    Yes, wouldn't have expected them to take a shot at others so blatantly. Must be popular with the others. Then again, their confidence is expressed in their name.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,872
    edited September 2021
    kle4 said:

    @julianborger
    French FM Le Drian says he has no intention of meeting his counterpart Secretary of State Tony Blinken at the UN, "though I might see him here or there, in a corridor".


    https://twitter.com/julianborger/status/1440060905706819590

    Yes, that'll show 'em who's the bigger man.
    In all honesty I get that they need to demonstrate that they are very annoyed, and so they will need to engage in some performative outrage, not meeting with people and so on. But when the whole point of your present outrage is that the other side went around/ignored you on an important matter, I don't think acting like you don't want to see them and it is a snub for you to do so works as well as he thinks it does.

    Just stating you won't meet the guy would work, the corridor bit is just that one bit too much.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,872
    Farooq said:

    Foss said:

    justin124 said:



    When I was a child in the 1960s I had grandparents who han been born in the late 1880s up to the 1900s.Whilst they were elderly, I did not feel that they had come from a distant age totally unrelated to the world I then inhabited.
    I have also recently contemplated how 1966 was as close in time to 1910 or 1911 as to the present day. I have little doubt that the world of 1966 had far more in common with the world of 2021 than it had with that of circa 1910.

    Who said totally unrelated? You're extrapolating things that were never said.

    But yes 1960s are distant from today, and 1800s are distant from the 1960s. Not unconnected, but distant.

    Heck in some ways already I can tell there are many things that I grew up with in the 1980s and 1990s are completely distant or alien to what my kids are growing up with today.
    The average person in this country was born two years after Thatcher came to power and was just over two years too young to vote for Blair in 1997.
    The median Brit is a millennial?
    God, no wonder we're so f*cked.
  • The French seem to think that, no matter their utter inflexibility in the Brexit negotiations, leading to the fall of a British government; no matter their determination to make sure that Brexit leaves a permanent economic scar in Northern Ireland which could fracture the Union; no matter even their threats to our electricity supply – in the end Britain will line up meekly alongside France in their military ambitions for Europe. It is the ultimate example of European cakeism.

    But relationships don’t work like that. Our defence relationship with France is deep, strategic and important. But it will only move to another level if France stops treating us as a renegade state needing to be punished for Brexit and instead as an independent, equal sovereign power.

    The French view has always been that Brexit was a British choice and we have no right to ask others to make choices. Fair enough – but now perhaps they will realise that in a relationship of equals both sides have to show give and take.

    Jeremy Hunt is a former foreign secretary


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/09/20/french-cant-have-cake-eat/
  • kle4 said:

    @julianborger
    French FM Le Drian says he has no intention of meeting his counterpart Secretary of State Tony Blinken at the UN, "though I might see him here or there, in a corridor".


    https://twitter.com/julianborger/status/1440060905706819590

    Yes, that'll show 'em who's the bigger man.
    So the French FM won't meet the SoS, but the PM is having a meeting with the POTUS?

    The "Biden will put Boris in his place because of sausage" boat really has sailed now hasn't it? 😂

    Flashback to what was being written on this website by some people on the day Biden and Boris were hatching this with ScoMo

    image
    https://vf.politicalbetting.com/discussion/comment/3434955#Comment_3434955

    image
    https://vf.politicalbetting.com/discussion/comment/3434879#Comment_3434879

    Or how about this front page at around the time?
    image

    😂😂😂😂
  • kle4 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Just had an email which seems genuine from PFP energy our (erstwhile?) energy supplier, headed "We do not have confidence in the Business Secretary, Kwasi Kwarteng".

    "...Ofgem made Kwarteng aware of the ongoing pressure to energy suppliers on 26th March 2020 but his disregard for the issues and lack of willingness to create support for the industry has resulted in a large increase in the cost of powering homes and hundreds of job losses..."

    Interesting tactic, if genuine.

    On 26 March 2020, PFP could have hedged their entire energy exposure at about a quarter of current prices.

    And somehow Kwarteng is responsible?
    Today I received this email from my supplier, Good Energy.

    "You’ll no doubt have seen the news around the turbulence in the energy market which has led to several of our competitors failing and speculation about others following.

    I would like to reassure you all that Good Energy is stable, prudently run and not at risk of running into difficulty.

    Many of the suppliers under threat have taken risks, pricing below cost and don’t have the 20 years’ experience that Good Energy does in trading energy.

    We are financially and operationally sound and I am confident that we are robust enough to navigate the current market conditions. We are a well-run company with a sustainable model.

    The Good Energy team and I will keep a close eye on the situation, but please rest assured that Good Energy is in a solid position."


    I do hope it doesn't prove to be hubris, but they're not pulling their punches in respect of the companies that have collapsed.

    You'd imagine well-run companies would be outraged if others were bailed out.
    Yes, wouldn't have expected them to take a shot at others so blatantly. Must be popular with the others. Then again, their confidence is expressed in their name.
    Is there a risk something analogous to a bank run? A sudden rush of customers leaving blasting a hole in a fundamentally sound business? (My knowledge of this stops round about watching Mary Poppins, mind you.)

    Pretty aggressive language to use though.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,342
    edited September 2021
    Last call on Canada. 60-40 for Liberals most seats. A bit more bearish than most.
    BUT. Also a 20% chance of a Liberal majority, if the marginal turnout is good, and votes fall in the right places.
    Smarkets 21/5 for Tory most seats is a super value bet.
    The only thing which would really shock me is a Tory majority. Cannot for the life of me see how that happens.
    On a personal note, and I've tried to be objective. Come on NDP! Don't falter as usual. Jagmeet Singh is a super candidate, and whoever wins needs to be aware there is a large bloc of voters on the Left who never get anywhere near power.
    Although the PPC may well be the story.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,824

    kle4 said:

    @julianborger
    French FM Le Drian says he has no intention of meeting his counterpart Secretary of State Tony Blinken at the UN, "though I might see him here or there, in a corridor".


    https://twitter.com/julianborger/status/1440060905706819590

    Yes, that'll show 'em who's the bigger man.
    So the French FM won't meet the SoS, but the PM is having a meeting with the POTUS?

    The "Biden will put Boris in his place because of sausage" boat really has sailed now hasn't it? 😂

    Flashback to what was being written on this website by some people on the day Biden and Boris were hatching this with ScoMo

    snip

    😂😂😂😂
    Brexit bust-up torpedoes Johnson’s bid to showcase ‘global Britain’ at G7.

    Torpedoes? A very cheeky headline from the Guardian. I can only assume they knew of AUKUS at the time.
  • FishingFishing Posts: 4,947
    MaxPB said:

    The French seem to think that, no matter their utter inflexibility in the Brexit negotiations, leading to the fall of a British government; no matter their determination to make sure that Brexit leaves a permanent economic scar in Northern Ireland which could fracture the Union; no matter even their threats to our electricity supply – in the end Britain will line up meekly alongside France in their military ambitions for Europe. It is the ultimate example of European cakeism.

    But relationships don’t work like that. Our defence relationship with France is deep, strategic and important. But it will only move to another level if France stops treating us as a renegade state needing to be punished for Brexit and instead as an independent, equal sovereign power.

    The French view has always been that Brexit was a British choice and we have no right to ask others to make choices. Fair enough – but now perhaps they will realise that in a relationship of equals both sides have to show give and take.

    Jeremy Hunt is a former foreign secretary


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/09/20/french-cant-have-cake-eat/

    Yes, that was a good piece from Hunt today. Finally Tory remainers are recognising that our relationship with the EU must be a two way street. Theresa May's sellout deal which kept us on the hook for EU foreign policy and defence initiatives while having no say and no opportunity to pursue our own initiatives would have taken deals like this off the table.

    France kept telling is Brexit means Brexit, they were right and it does. This is also part of the Brexit process. We will continue to detach ourselves from the EU and that means the EU becomes less relevant to us. It's a vicious circle for them that will result in them continually lashing out at the UK, further distancing both parties.

    It all started when the EU thought it would be a good idea to give Dave a shit deal that actually vindicated the Leave campaign.
    Well, it started long before that actually. Forty years of being taken for granted as long as we signed cheques each year. In fact it started with the disastrously unfavourable entry terms we got in the 70s.
  • Fishing said:

    MaxPB said:

    The French seem to think that, no matter their utter inflexibility in the Brexit negotiations, leading to the fall of a British government; no matter their determination to make sure that Brexit leaves a permanent economic scar in Northern Ireland which could fracture the Union; no matter even their threats to our electricity supply – in the end Britain will line up meekly alongside France in their military ambitions for Europe. It is the ultimate example of European cakeism.

    But relationships don’t work like that. Our defence relationship with France is deep, strategic and important. But it will only move to another level if France stops treating us as a renegade state needing to be punished for Brexit and instead as an independent, equal sovereign power.

    The French view has always been that Brexit was a British choice and we have no right to ask others to make choices. Fair enough – but now perhaps they will realise that in a relationship of equals both sides have to show give and take.

    Jeremy Hunt is a former foreign secretary


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/09/20/french-cant-have-cake-eat/

    Yes, that was a good piece from Hunt today. Finally Tory remainers are recognising that our relationship with the EU must be a two way street. Theresa May's sellout deal which kept us on the hook for EU foreign policy and defence initiatives while having no say and no opportunity to pursue our own initiatives would have taken deals like this off the table.

    France kept telling is Brexit means Brexit, they were right and it does. This is also part of the Brexit process. We will continue to detach ourselves from the EU and that means the EU becomes less relevant to us. It's a vicious circle for them that will result in them continually lashing out at the UK, further distancing both parties.

    It all started when the EU thought it would be a good idea to give Dave a shit deal that actually vindicated the Leave campaign.
    Well, it started long before that actually. Forty years of being taken for granted as long as we signed cheques each year. In fact it started with the disastrously unfavourable entry terms we got in the 70s.
    Indeed as per your name there was also them putting in fishing rules immediately before we joined deliberately to shaft us. The pressure was building for decades.
  • MrEdMrEd Posts: 5,578
    kle4 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Just had an email which seems genuine from PFP energy our (erstwhile?) energy supplier, headed "We do not have confidence in the Business Secretary, Kwasi Kwarteng".

    "...Ofgem made Kwarteng aware of the ongoing pressure to energy suppliers on 26th March 2020 but his disregard for the issues and lack of willingness to create support for the industry has resulted in a large increase in the cost of powering homes and hundreds of job losses..."

    Interesting tactic, if genuine.

    On 26 March 2020, PFP could have hedged their entire energy exposure at about a quarter of current prices.

    And somehow Kwarteng is responsible?
    Today I received this email from my supplier, Good Energy.

    "You’ll no doubt have seen the news around the turbulence in the energy market which has led to several of our competitors failing and speculation about others following.

    I would like to reassure you all that Good Energy is stable, prudently run and not at risk of running into difficulty.

    Many of the suppliers under threat have taken risks, pricing below cost and don’t have the 20 years’ experience that Good Energy does in trading energy.

    We are financially and operationally sound and I am confident that we are robust enough to navigate the current market conditions. We are a well-run company with a sustainable model.

    The Good Energy team and I will keep a close eye on the situation, but please rest assured that Good Energy is in a solid position."


    I do hope it doesn't prove to be hubris, but they're not pulling their punches in respect of the companies that have collapsed.

    You'd imagine well-run companies would be outraged if others were bailed out.
    Yes, wouldn't have expected them to take a shot at others so blatantly. Must be popular with the others. Then again, their confidence is expressed in their name.
    Yes, I got the Kwarteng e-mail as well - I use Green Energy:

    "Hello,

    We have zero confidence in Kwasi Kwarteng continuing to act as the Business Secretary in the UK, due to the lack of support towards energy suppliers and their customers. In recent news, Kwarteng has had meetings with Ofgem and with large energy suppliers - neglecting smaller suppliers, with customers totalling in the millions and thousands of staff members.

    Kwarteng said that small firms would be allowed to go bankrupt, with their customers auctioned off to the company prepared to offer them the cheapest rate (source). We believe that he is unfit for his current role and further action is needed to ensure that the energy market has adequate support.

    Due to current wholesale costs and the actions of Kwarteng, customers are most likely to see a big increase in the cost of powering their homes in the coming months. Ofgem made Kwarteng aware of the ongoing pressure to energy suppliers on 26th March 2020.
    "
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,342
    MaxPB said:

    The French seem to think that, no matter their utter inflexibility in the Brexit negotiations, leading to the fall of a British government; no matter their determination to make sure that Brexit leaves a permanent economic scar in Northern Ireland which could fracture the Union; no matter even their threats to our electricity supply – in the end Britain will line up meekly alongside France in their military ambitions for Europe. It is the ultimate example of European cakeism.

    But relationships don’t work like that. Our defence relationship with France is deep, strategic and important. But it will only move to another level if France stops treating us as a renegade state needing to be punished for Brexit and instead as an independent, equal sovereign power.

    The French view has always been that Brexit was a British choice and we have no right to ask others to make choices. Fair enough – but now perhaps they will realise that in a relationship of equals both sides have to show give and take.

    Jeremy Hunt is a former foreign secretary


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/09/20/french-cant-have-cake-eat/

    Yes, that was a good piece from Hunt today. Finally Tory remainers are recognising that our relationship with the EU must be a two way street. Theresa May's sellout deal which kept us on the hook for EU foreign policy and defence initiatives while having no say and no opportunity to pursue our own initiatives would have taken deals like this off the table.

    France kept telling is Brexit means Brexit, they were right and it does. This is also part of the Brexit process. We will continue to detach ourselves from the EU and that means the EU becomes less relevant to us. It's a vicious circle for them that will result in them continually lashing out at the UK, further distancing both parties.

    It all started when the EU thought it would be a good idea to give Dave a shit deal that actually vindicated the Leave campaign.
    I dunno. Macron is fighting an election. Bashing the Brits goes down well.
    And Germany effectively doesn't have an administration to counter balance him.
    This time next week we'll have a new German Chancellor, and most likely a very different government.
    I think we'll learn a lot more about a future relationship then.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,269

    Cyclefree said:

    Cyclefree said:



    MattW said:

    Thanks for the Header, Ms Cyclefree.

    I trust that things are improving at yours.

    Husband still unable to swallow. Or eat. Even taking the pills - cut in half - is painful. And now specks of blood, presumably from the injury, are being coughed up.

    So he's going to try and get an ENT referral via his GP.

    Who knew walnut halves could be so dangerous!
    In my working life I used occasionally to have to make a liquid form of a solid medication. Not always possible, of course, and many pharmacies would not now have the necessary equipment or ingredients, but it might be worth a try.
    He's on co-amoxicillin. He cannot even swallow his own saliva. He tried taking Boots Honey, Lemon and Glycerin linctus but had to give up. Cold water is all he can take. We are hoping that once the antibiotics have done their magic the throat will open up. But if this does not happen .... back to the doc he goes. I worry that something else is going on but the ENT guy did not see anything.

    It is very odd and a bit worrying. It seems such a silly thing to have caused all this hoo-ha.

    The one good thing that has happened is that yesterday he got to meet Piet Oudolf, the Dutch garden designer, as part of a project, for which there is funding to create some sort of High Line (or similar) in the area on disused railway lines etc. All part of a wider project to showcase the beauty of this area, attract tourists, regenerate etc. Husband is involved in this and I hope to be too - given my interest in all things garden-related. It will be great if it comes off.
    Take it he's having the liquid formulation? But I agree with you; TBH, although from miles and miles away, I wonder about some sort of allergic reaction to the nuts. Has he ever had problems with nuts before?
    No - pills.

    No allergies before. He did have a bad reaction to the anti-tetanus injection as a child.

    Needs further investigation. But as of now he can sip a bit of water.
  • MrEd said:

    kle4 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Just had an email which seems genuine from PFP energy our (erstwhile?) energy supplier, headed "We do not have confidence in the Business Secretary, Kwasi Kwarteng".

    "...Ofgem made Kwarteng aware of the ongoing pressure to energy suppliers on 26th March 2020 but his disregard for the issues and lack of willingness to create support for the industry has resulted in a large increase in the cost of powering homes and hundreds of job losses..."

    Interesting tactic, if genuine.

    On 26 March 2020, PFP could have hedged their entire energy exposure at about a quarter of current prices.

    And somehow Kwarteng is responsible?
    Today I received this email from my supplier, Good Energy.

    "You’ll no doubt have seen the news around the turbulence in the energy market which has led to several of our competitors failing and speculation about others following.

    I would like to reassure you all that Good Energy is stable, prudently run and not at risk of running into difficulty.

    Many of the suppliers under threat have taken risks, pricing below cost and don’t have the 20 years’ experience that Good Energy does in trading energy.

    We are financially and operationally sound and I am confident that we are robust enough to navigate the current market conditions. We are a well-run company with a sustainable model.

    The Good Energy team and I will keep a close eye on the situation, but please rest assured that Good Energy is in a solid position."


    I do hope it doesn't prove to be hubris, but they're not pulling their punches in respect of the companies that have collapsed.

    You'd imagine well-run companies would be outraged if others were bailed out.
    Yes, wouldn't have expected them to take a shot at others so blatantly. Must be popular with the others. Then again, their confidence is expressed in their name.
    Yes, I got the Kwarteng e-mail as well - I use Green Energy:

    "Hello,

    We have zero confidence in Kwasi Kwarteng continuing to act as the Business Secretary in the UK, due to the lack of support towards energy suppliers and their customers. In recent news, Kwarteng has had meetings with Ofgem and with large energy suppliers - neglecting smaller suppliers, with customers totalling in the millions and thousands of staff members.

    Kwarteng said that small firms would be allowed to go bankrupt, with their customers auctioned off to the company prepared to offer them the cheapest rate (source). We believe that he is unfit for his current role and further action is needed to ensure that the energy market has adequate support.

    Due to current wholesale costs and the actions of Kwarteng, customers are most likely to see a big increase in the cost of powering their homes in the coming months. Ofgem made Kwarteng aware of the ongoing pressure to energy suppliers on 26th March 2020.
    "
    What a whiny self-serving whinge.

    As RCS wrote earlier today they could have hedged their energy prices at a quarter of today's prices on 26/03/20

    If they failed to do so, that's not Kwarteng's responsibility.
  • MrEd said:

    kle4 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Just had an email which seems genuine from PFP energy our (erstwhile?) energy supplier, headed "We do not have confidence in the Business Secretary, Kwasi Kwarteng".

    "...Ofgem made Kwarteng aware of the ongoing pressure to energy suppliers on 26th March 2020 but his disregard for the issues and lack of willingness to create support for the industry has resulted in a large increase in the cost of powering homes and hundreds of job losses..."

    Interesting tactic, if genuine.

    On 26 March 2020, PFP could have hedged their entire energy exposure at about a quarter of current prices.

    And somehow Kwarteng is responsible?
    Today I received this email from my supplier, Good Energy.

    "You’ll no doubt have seen the news around the turbulence in the energy market which has led to several of our competitors failing and speculation about others following.

    I would like to reassure you all that Good Energy is stable, prudently run and not at risk of running into difficulty.

    Many of the suppliers under threat have taken risks, pricing below cost and don’t have the 20 years’ experience that Good Energy does in trading energy.

    We are financially and operationally sound and I am confident that we are robust enough to navigate the current market conditions. We are a well-run company with a sustainable model.

    The Good Energy team and I will keep a close eye on the situation, but please rest assured that Good Energy is in a solid position."


    I do hope it doesn't prove to be hubris, but they're not pulling their punches in respect of the companies that have collapsed.

    You'd imagine well-run companies would be outraged if others were bailed out.
    Yes, wouldn't have expected them to take a shot at others so blatantly. Must be popular with the others. Then again, their confidence is expressed in their name.
    Yes, I got the Kwarteng e-mail as well - I use Green Energy:

    "Hello,

    We have zero confidence in Kwasi Kwarteng continuing to act as the Business Secretary in the UK, due to the lack of support towards energy suppliers and their customers. In recent news, Kwarteng has had meetings with Ofgem and with large energy suppliers - neglecting smaller suppliers, with customers totalling in the millions and thousands of staff members.

    Kwarteng said that small firms would be allowed to go bankrupt, with their customers auctioned off to the company prepared to offer them the cheapest rate (source). We believe that he is unfit for his current role and further action is needed to ensure that the energy market has adequate support.

    Due to current wholesale costs and the actions of Kwarteng, customers are most likely to see a big increase in the cost of powering their homes in the coming months. Ofgem made Kwarteng aware of the ongoing pressure to energy suppliers on 26th March 2020.
    "
    Bitterness dripping throughout and not sure Ofgem would approve of their approach
  • kle4 said:

    @julianborger
    French FM Le Drian says he has no intention of meeting his counterpart Secretary of State Tony Blinken at the UN, "though I might see him here or there, in a corridor".


    https://twitter.com/julianborger/status/1440060905706819590

    Yes, that'll show 'em who's the bigger man.
    So the French FM won't meet the SoS, but the PM is having a meeting with the POTUS?

    The "Biden will put Boris in his place because of sausage" boat really has sailed now hasn't it? 😂

    Flashback to what was being written on this website by some people on the day Biden and Boris were hatching this with ScoMo

    image
    https://vf.politicalbetting.com/discussion/comment/3434955#Comment_3434955

    image
    https://vf.politicalbetting.com/discussion/comment/3434879#Comment_3434879

    Or how about this front page at around the time?
    image

    😂😂😂😂
    Hmm. Uncle Joe's tone seems to prove what I suspected all along: AUUKUS was more about pleasing the US arms sector and getting influence over the Australian military than any particular love of Boris.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 62,749
    edited September 2021

    kle4 said:

    @julianborger
    French FM Le Drian says he has no intention of meeting his counterpart Secretary of State Tony Blinken at the UN, "though I might see him here or there, in a corridor".


    https://twitter.com/julianborger/status/1440060905706819590

    Yes, that'll show 'em who's the bigger man.
    So the French FM won't meet the SoS, but the PM is having a meeting with the POTUS?

    The "Biden will put Boris in his place because of sausage" boat really has sailed now hasn't it? 😂

    Flashback to what was being written on this website by some people on the day Biden and Boris were hatching this with ScoMo

    image
    https://vf.politicalbetting.com/discussion/comment/3434955#Comment_3434955

    image
    https://vf.politicalbetting.com/discussion/comment/3434879#Comment_3434879

    Or how about this front page at around the time?
    image

    😂😂😂😂
    Hmm. Uncle Joe's tone seems to prove what I suspected all along: AUUKUS was more about pleasing the US arms sector and getting influence over the Australian military than any particular love of Boris.
    Some day you may get it right AUKUS, not AUUKUS

    And he could not do it without UK as the nuclear subs are joint between US/UK and shared nuclear technology
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