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  • Scotland has become ‘the most restrictive country in Europe’ because of the SNP Government’s decision to diverge from the rest of the UK on travel testing, says Edinburgh Airport.
    https://twitter.com/Mike_Blackley/status/1438935849987710976?s=20

    I suppose in fairness they have, until very recently, also had the highest case rates in Europe - but Nippy's doing a grand job!

    High case rates + high vaccinations over the summer is a great job yes. Well done Nippy if so.

    Better to get the exit wave over and done with over the summer, than getting it done in the winter.
    If she's done a great job, why is Scotland "the most restrictive country in Europe" to quote Edinburgh Airport?
  • Leon said:

    An interesting point



    Ben Judah
    @b_judah
    ·
    1h
    France and AUKUS? I'm struck by the humiliation inflicted on Macron at the G7. As he dressed down Johnson over Northern Ireland and boasted of ties to Australia in the Indo-Pacific, the Anglo three literally made a move on the sidelines. A hit on him, internationally, personally.



    This is a direct slap in the face FOR MACRON

    Remember these images from the G7:


    "Emmanuel Macron made a beeline for Joe Biden after the G7 summit photo call in Cornwall. Biden, on whom Boris Johnson expended considerable energy attempting to politically woo ahead of the summit, warmly embraced the French president. Johnson was left lingering with Angela Merkel as he waited for the pair to catch up."

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2021/jun/11/emmanuel-macron-and-joe-biden-share-a-moment-after-g7-leaders-photo-video

    And this:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6MvVppnEto


    They're practically hugging. Biden gets all chummy and says to Macron "we're on the same page!"

    At the very same time these shots were taken, Biden was plotting to steal France's enormous sub deal, torpedo Macron's Indo-Pacific policy, snub France in the cruellest way, and utterly ignore the EU

    Biden is an absolute C*NT. I'm warming to him

    He's a c*** towards the French too. Awesome. Appears to have forgotten the French support for the nascent USA too. (And Scott Morrison's name, but to be fair, he's not called Bruce so that makes it complicated)
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,708
    Perhaps Macron is only quasi-effective on the international stage.
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,300
    edited September 2021
  • ZeroHedge...but....

    FDA PANEL VOTES 16-3 AGAINST APPROVING COVID BOOSTER


    https://twitter.com/zerohedge/status/1438948901428637712?s=20

    Genuine source or it didn't happen.

    Zerohedge are Russian trolls, why would anyone quote them?
    An influential Food and Drug Administration advisory committee on Friday rejected a plan to administer booster shots of Pfizer and BioNTech’s Covid-19 vaccine to the general public, saying they needed more data.

    The panel, however, could still clear the shots for older populations. Scientists continued debating the need for a third dose of the vaccines for people 60 and older after their initial vote, leaving open the possibility of other votes.


    https://www.cnbc.com/2021/09/17/fda-panel-begins-voting-on-pfizers-covid-booster-doses-rejecting-shots-for-general-public.html?__source=androidappshare
    So that's completely different context to what Zerohedge were pushing.

    Sounds like their version of the JCVI are dragging their heals like ours, but a rollout decision could still go ahead.
  • A question for Leon, or anyone who likes to hang out in Spain. After Grant Shapps' announcement I'm putting together an itinerary for Moorish Andalucia. Any tips for trips out of the main cities (Italica is already on the list) and great gastronomic experiences? Jerez and Sanlucar are already on the itinerary, obvs.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,392
    1-1. What do I know about football... :D
  • .

    felix said:

    One for Roger:

    NEW – Best Prime Minister:

    Boris Johnson. 45% (+5)
    Keir Starmer 28% (-7)
    Don't know 28% (+1)


    https://twitter.com/Survation/status/1438896842989789194?s=20

    Yebbut all of Roger's circle hate Boris. Don't you get statistics?!
    Lies, damn lies and statistics.

    I am quite sanguine, as the point will come where like me, you will see a bare -assed clown and not the Emperor's New Clothes.
    I'm upset with him and Rishi but because they've "gone native" and backed tax rises, not because they're clowning around.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,129

    ZeroHedge...but....

    FDA PANEL VOTES 16-3 AGAINST APPROVING COVID BOOSTER


    https://twitter.com/zerohedge/status/1438948901428637712?s=20

    Genuine source or it didn't happen.

    Zerohedge are Russian trolls, why would anyone quote them?
    An influential Food and Drug Administration advisory committee on Friday rejected a plan to administer booster shots of Pfizer and BioNTech’s Covid-19 vaccine to the general public, saying they needed more data.

    The panel, however, could still clear the shots for older populations. Scientists continued debating the need for a third dose of the vaccines for people 60 and older after their initial vote, leaving open the possibility of other votes.


    https://www.cnbc.com/2021/09/17/fda-panel-begins-voting-on-pfizers-covid-booster-doses-rejecting-shots-for-general-public.html?__source=androidappshare
    So that's completely different context to what Zerohedge were pushing.

    Sounds like their version of the JCVI are dragging their heals like ours, but a rollout decision could still go ahead.
    Whoah! Zero Hedge being completely wrong??? Say, it ain't so.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,129
    Leon said:

    An interesting point



    Ben Judah
    @b_judah
    ·
    1h
    France and AUKUS? I'm struck by the humiliation inflicted on Macron at the G7. As he dressed down Johnson over Northern Ireland and boasted of ties to Australia in the Indo-Pacific, the Anglo three literally made a move on the sidelines. A hit on him, internationally, personally.



    This is a direct slap in the face FOR MACRON

    Remember these images from the G7:


    "Emmanuel Macron made a beeline for Joe Biden after the G7 summit photo call in Cornwall. Biden, on whom Boris Johnson expended considerable energy attempting to politically woo ahead of the summit, warmly embraced the French president. Johnson was left lingering with Angela Merkel as he waited for the pair to catch up."

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2021/jun/11/emmanuel-macron-and-joe-biden-share-a-moment-after-g7-leaders-photo-video

    And this:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6MvVppnEto


    They're practically hugging. Biden gets all chummy and says to Macron "we're on the same page!"

    At the very same time these shots were taken, Biden was plotting to steal France's enormous sub deal, torpedo Macron's Indo-Pacific policy, snub France in the cruellest way, and utterly ignore the EU

    Biden is an absolute C*NT. I'm warming to him

    That's one explanation.

    The other is that Biden thought that the nice foreigner who embraced him was called Johnson.
  • rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    An interesting point



    Ben Judah
    @b_judah
    ·
    1h
    France and AUKUS? I'm struck by the humiliation inflicted on Macron at the G7. As he dressed down Johnson over Northern Ireland and boasted of ties to Australia in the Indo-Pacific, the Anglo three literally made a move on the sidelines. A hit on him, internationally, personally.



    This is a direct slap in the face FOR MACRON

    Remember these images from the G7:


    "Emmanuel Macron made a beeline for Joe Biden after the G7 summit photo call in Cornwall. Biden, on whom Boris Johnson expended considerable energy attempting to politically woo ahead of the summit, warmly embraced the French president. Johnson was left lingering with Angela Merkel as he waited for the pair to catch up."

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2021/jun/11/emmanuel-macron-and-joe-biden-share-a-moment-after-g7-leaders-photo-video

    And this:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6MvVppnEto


    They're practically hugging. Biden gets all chummy and says to Macron "we're on the same page!"

    At the very same time these shots were taken, Biden was plotting to steal France's enormous sub deal, torpedo Macron's Indo-Pacific policy, snub France in the cruellest way, and utterly ignore the EU

    Biden is an absolute C*NT. I'm warming to him

    That's one explanation.

    The other is that Biden thought that the nice foreigner who embraced him was called Johnson.
    Or he didn't know that fella's name.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,986
    France has recalled its ambassadors to the United States and Australia amid a backlash over a deal to supply submarines, the French foreign minister says - PA

    That's huge

    https://twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1438953858047303689
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,814

    Carnyx said:

    Sandpit said:

    Farooq said:

    Carnyx said:

    Charles said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    JohnO said:

    HYUFD said:

    JohnO said:

    HYUFD said:

    JohnO said:

    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Britain Decides - model update:

    Government loses its majority on the latest polls.

    CON: 316 MPs (-49)
    LAB: 241 (+39)
    SNP: 56 (+8)
    LDEM: 13 (+2)


    https://twitter.com/BritainElects/status/1438877519659294721?s=20

    However it could stay in power with the 8 DUP MPs if they back the Tories again, assuming SF do not take their seats.

    What better way to win over our DUP friends than promising to reduce the abortion time limit to 22 weeks for the whole UK as a bonus while Lord Frost continues to work to remove the Irish Sea border?
    If the Conservatives have 316 seats, then they will remain in Government. No government without them is really possible.
    Labour + SNP + LD + SDLP + Green + PC + Alliance comes to 318 seats on the new poll average, so the Conservatives would still need the 8 DUP MPs to get to 324 and stay in power
    I agree - but that wasn't my point.

    The DUP are not going to abstain on a Labour + SNP + LD + SDLP + Green + PC + Alliance confidence motion. Therefore, it is not possible to have a government that did not include the Conservatives.

    If the Conservative total was a few seats less (say 312), then a coalition like the one above would be possible, albeit not particularly stable.
    I agree but would put the threshold just a tad lower, perhaps 310 in which the Tories could just about stagger on as a deflated minority government surviv
    HYUFD said:

    JohnO said:

    HYUFD said:

    JohnO said:

    Anyway, there’s not the slightest chance of the next Conservative manifesto containing a commitment to restrict abortions to 22 weeks or any other level. It might conceivably pledge to have another vote on the matter (like Cameron did over hunting…did that ever happen?) but it will be a free vote as it has always been.

    But even that is lower than 5%: I doubt the Prime Minister will want to be reminded on the campaign trail of his relationship with Petronnella Wyatt and his encouraging her….

    Given the latest polling average gives a hung parliament with the Tories needing DUP support to stay in power, offering the DUP the carrot of a reduction in the abortion limit to 22 weeks for the whole UK as well as lots of dosh for NI while Lord Frost works on trying to remove the Irish Sea border with the EU may be the only way Boris stays in No 10.

    In those circumstances, sure, they could offer a vote but no Tory MP will be whipped to support it.

    And you were talking about the manifesto which patently is published before the election. That will emphatically not contain any commitment to 22 weeks or any figure. Can you see Boris Johnson even giving it half a second’s thought bearing in mind his past? Be serious.
    Then the DUP would likely not give C and S then and Starmer becomes PM.

    Donaldson and the DUP are extremely hard and tough negotiators, they will not make the same mistake Clegg did with AV getting a vote out of Cameron but with no promise of support to get it passed.

    If there is no Tory majority then the manifesto will not have received a full mandate and have to be adapted, Boris will do so and whatever necessary to stay in power including a whipped vote to get the 22 weeks through and DUP C and S
    You have now not only crashed into the buffers but catapulted the train to the road outside the station. Utterly absurd. There is no way that Conservative MPs will be dragooned into voting for something so contentious and that wasn’t even in the manifesto on which they’d campaigned only a couple of weeks earlier. If Johnson tried, which he wouldn’t, the proposal would be overwhelmingly defeated in the Commons and the Tories further weakened.

    The DUP will have more important fish to fry if negotiations take place.
    OK then, Starmer becomes PM.

    Given the Irish Sea border is not going to be removed anytime soon the DUP will refuse to keep Boris and the Tories in power in the meantime unless they not only get vast sums of extra cash for NI but a reduction in the abortion timeframe for the whole UK to partly make up for the legalisation of abortion in NI Westminster imposed on them.

    Most Conservative MPs would also support the abortion reduction anyway and especially if it is the only way to keep a Tory government in power so you are wrong
    Many Tory MPs might support a reduction but a significant number would not and of those who do, a lot would be horrified that it would be a whipped vote. The proposal would crash and burn (majority against probably 80?) in the Commons and the DUP know that too.

    Furthermore, you completely ignore the likely political context. The Tories would have surrendered a majority of 80, a disaster even more profound than 2017. The party would be shattered and I suspect there would be a clamour to accept defeat and go into opposition, rather than staggering on deflated and dejected and at the mercy of the DUP.

    I’m afraid you are totally off the wall on this one.
    No, a tiny minority might not, mainly social liberals from wealthy commuter Remain areas like yours which are heading LD and may well elect LD MPs anyway.

    Social liberals are in decline in the party from a decade ago, social conservatives from the North and Midlands and small town and rural areas are becoming increasingly prominent. The new Tory base and most of the new Tory Parliamentary Party will happily deal with the DUP and happily cut the abortion time limit to 22 weeks to stay in power.

    No, we would not accept opposition, though if social liberals prefer to join the LDs in opposition to a Tory-DUP alliance fine, bye then

    Where is the slightest shred of evidence among current Conservative MPs, or even the Prime Minister himself, that they would support manifesto commitment that would bind them all to supporting a specified time limit. None whatsoever and it would be the first time ever that the party would do that. Even votes on hanging in the 1950s were free.

    You are spouting nonsense and pernicious nonsense at that with all the ugly hallmarks of intolerance and sectarianism that fortunately still has no place whatever in the broad political church that is the Conservative Party. And Boris is with me!

    By the way, it is distressing in the extreme that you seem to be gloating at the prospect of Mr Raab’s political demise.
    Are non-tories allowed to gloat about Raab?
    I’m just catching up with this conversation

    Reading it back in two posts @HYUFD moves from abortion term limits being something that the Tories could offer the DUP (wacky idea) to it being something that the DUP would absolutely insist on and would never do a deal without.

    Commendable mental agility!
    He'll be suggesting closing down the dinosaur and rock dating galleries in the Natural History Museum next.
    The earth is 30 years old and the things people claim are older (like the ZX81) were just put here by Allah to test us.
    Does that mean the death of Sir Clive Sinclair is actually The Rapture?
    I was an Acorn kid (literally, later on...), so Sinclair was the anti-Christ...

    I had the pleasure of working with Jim Westwood, the tech genius behind the ZX80. He's a great guy; totally self-effacing and down to earth. Although he was working for a real computer company by then. ;)

    https://www.theregister.com/2011/11/15/heroes_of_tech_jim_westwood/
    A link to a relevant ten-year-old Register article deserves a like. So you met Sinclair’s #2, and a doctor who decided that playing golf with Ayrton Senna was more important than seeing you.
    Given the performance of the Sinclair C5, I suspect that JJ was the closest connexion Messrs Senna and Sinclair ever had.
    I thought that was worth a Google, and came across this:

    https://www.pinterest.co.uk/pin/216172850835110581/
    https://mobile.twitter.com/FreemanLowell01/status/1140908309412814848
    That's very nice! Reality beyond the bounds of mere imagination.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    edited September 2021

    Scotland has become ‘the most restrictive country in Europe’ because of the SNP Government’s decision to diverge from the rest of the UK on travel testing, says Edinburgh Airport.
    https://twitter.com/Mike_Blackley/status/1438935849987710976?s=20

    I suppose in fairness they have, until very recently, also had the highest case rates in Europe - but Nippy's doing a grand job!

    High case rates + high vaccinations over the summer is a great job yes. Well done Nippy if so.

    Better to get the exit wave over and done with over the summer, than getting it done in the winter.
    Better to have a 1-in-45 infection rate now than back in January.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,399
    edited September 2021
    Driver shortage anecdote.
    Hexham to Newcastle.. Waited an hour and a half for a bus this afternoon on way in. Way back no bus from 5:30 till 8 at least. Supposed to be every half hour. Finally got a cab. Just got in.
    Toon at home. Plus bus company 40 drivers short. Not great.
    If you knocked off work at 5 and live past Prudhoe and are reliant on the bus, you aren't home yet.
  • Scott_xP said:

    France has recalled its ambassadors to the United States and Australia amid a backlash over a deal to supply submarines, the French foreign minister says - PA

    That's huge

    https://twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1438953858047303689

    Throwing their toys out of the pram time
  • kicorsekicorse Posts: 434
    On the article, I agree with Alastair Meeks on this one. The idea that the Lib Dems are a moderate party situated between Labour and the Conservatives is out of date.

    I am a hitherto floating voter (and Remainer) who joined Labour after the 2019 election. One factor in that decision was that the Lib Dems and Green Party had become too extreme and intolerant, so there was no alternative to Labour I could see myself supporting.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,653

    Scott_xP said:

    France has recalled its ambassadors to the United States and Australia amid a backlash over a deal to supply submarines, the French foreign minister says - PA

    That's huge

    https://twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1438953858047303689

    Throwing their toys out of the pram time
    It seems so. Surely they'd do best to pretend it was no biggie and look for a chance to get their own back later.
  • Scott_xP said:

    France has recalled its ambassadors to the United States and Australia amid a backlash over a deal to supply submarines, the French foreign minister says - PA

    That's huge

    https://twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1438953858047303689

    Throwing their toys out of the pram time
    It seems so. Surely they'd do best to pretend it was no biggie and look for a chance to get their own back later.
    You would have thought so
  • Scott_xP said:

    France has recalled its ambassadors to the United States and Australia amid a backlash over a deal to supply submarines, the French foreign minister says - PA

    That's huge

    https://twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1438953858047303689

    But Biden's Irish heritage means he'll be close to the EU and isolate Britain ... 😂
  • Scott_xP said:

    France has recalled its ambassadors to the United States and Australia amid a backlash over a deal to supply submarines, the French foreign minister says - PA

    That's huge

    https://twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1438953858047303689

    Throwing their toys out of the pram time
    It seems so. Surely they'd do best to pretend it was no biggie and look for a chance to get their own back later.
    Exactly. It hasn't got "rising above it" written all over it, has it?
  • rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    An interesting point



    Ben Judah
    @b_judah
    ·
    1h
    France and AUKUS? I'm struck by the humiliation inflicted on Macron at the G7. As he dressed down Johnson over Northern Ireland and boasted of ties to Australia in the Indo-Pacific, the Anglo three literally made a move on the sidelines. A hit on him, internationally, personally.



    This is a direct slap in the face FOR MACRON

    Remember these images from the G7:


    "Emmanuel Macron made a beeline for Joe Biden after the G7 summit photo call in Cornwall. Biden, on whom Boris Johnson expended considerable energy attempting to politically woo ahead of the summit, warmly embraced the French president. Johnson was left lingering with Angela Merkel as he waited for the pair to catch up."

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2021/jun/11/emmanuel-macron-and-joe-biden-share-a-moment-after-g7-leaders-photo-video

    And this:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6MvVppnEto


    They're practically hugging. Biden gets all chummy and says to Macron "we're on the same page!"

    At the very same time these shots were taken, Biden was plotting to steal France's enormous sub deal, torpedo Macron's Indo-Pacific policy, snub France in the cruellest way, and utterly ignore the EU

    Biden is an absolute C*NT. I'm warming to him

    That's one explanation.

    The other is that Biden thought that the nice foreigner who embraced him was called Johnson.
    Joe le Maxi.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,653

    Scott_xP said:

    France has recalled its ambassadors to the United States and Australia amid a backlash over a deal to supply submarines, the French foreign minister says - PA

    That's huge

    https://twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1438953858047303689

    Throwing their toys out of the pram time
    It seems so. Surely they'd do best to pretend it was no biggie and look for a chance to get their own back later.
    You would have thought so
    Michel Barnier must be happy with developments.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,174

    ZeroHedge...but....

    FDA PANEL VOTES 16-3 AGAINST APPROVING COVID BOOSTER


    https://twitter.com/zerohedge/status/1438948901428637712?s=20

    FDA's JCVI moment
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    edited September 2021

    ZeroHedge...but....

    FDA PANEL VOTES 16-3 AGAINST APPROVING COVID BOOSTER


    https://twitter.com/zerohedge/status/1438948901428637712?s=20

    Genuine source or it didn't happen.

    Zerohedge are Russian trolls, why would anyone quote them?
    An influential Food and Drug Administration advisory committee on Friday rejected a plan to administer booster shots of Pfizer and BioNTech’s Covid-19 vaccine to the general public, saying they needed more data.

    The panel, however, could still clear the shots for older populations. Scientists continued debating the need for a third dose of the vaccines for people 60 and older after their initial vote, leaving open the possibility of other votes.


    https://www.cnbc.com/2021/09/17/fda-panel-begins-voting-on-pfizers-covid-booster-doses-rejecting-shots-for-general-public.html?__source=androidappshare
    So that's completely different context to what Zerohedge were pushing.
    A U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) advisory panel on Friday declined to endorse the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine booster shot for people ages 16 years and older at least six months following the second dose.
    The vote was 2-16. The vote will now go before the FDA to issue a final decision.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/fda-panel-rejects-pfizers-covid-19-vaccine-booster-in-people-16-years-and-older/ar-AAOyTne?ocid=st
    Yep - Zero Hedge said 3-16

    I know Zero Hedge isn't a reliable source but in this case they weren't far off the mark.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368

    .

    felix said:

    One for Roger:

    NEW – Best Prime Minister:

    Boris Johnson. 45% (+5)
    Keir Starmer 28% (-7)
    Don't know 28% (+1)


    https://twitter.com/Survation/status/1438896842989789194?s=20

    Yebbut all of Roger's circle hate Boris. Don't you get statistics?!
    Lies, damn lies and statistics.

    I am quite sanguine, as the point will come where like me, you will see a bare -assed clown and not the Emperor's New Clothes.
    I'm upset with him and Rishi but because they've "gone native" and backed tax rises, not because they're clowning around.
    I will be serious for once.

    I don't like Johnson, but not for his politics. I dislike him in the same way you detest Trump.

    I can't bear the self-serving narcissism. I can't stand his almost sociopathic disdain for those who doubt his greatness. I can't abide the laziness and the casualty of his commentary and the fluency of his lies. I don't believe that someone who has demonstrated such reckless abandonment for his family, including what I have read, his children has the moral mettle to run a nation.

    I am not of the Conservative faith, but neither Mr Cameron or Mrs May would have intentionally placed personal ambition ahead of national unity and wellbeing.

    In the same vein I detested Corbyn for putting idealigical dogma ahead of national interest.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,392
    Pulpstar said:

    ZeroHedge...but....

    FDA PANEL VOTES 16-3 AGAINST APPROVING COVID BOOSTER


    https://twitter.com/zerohedge/status/1438948901428637712?s=20

    FDA's JCVI moment
    Tbh for most adults under say 65, there is very little evidence to say that they need boosters. Antibodies wane naturally, but the immune system has been trained. And delta is doing a good job of topping up too. I don’t expect the jcvi to recommenced routine boosters for all adults in the U.K.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,399
    kicorse said:

    On the article, I agree with Alastair Meeks on this one. The idea that the Lib Dems are a moderate party situated between Labour and the Conservatives is out of date.

    I am a hitherto floating voter (and Remainer) who joined Labour after the 2019 election. One factor in that decision was that the Lib Dems and Green Party had become too extreme and intolerant, so there was no alternative to Labour I could see myself supporting.

    It's been out of date longer than that. Kennedy attacked New Labour from the Left. Clegg anchored them on the Right.
    It harks back to the days when they were the non-Socialist, not cap doffing Party comfortable with modernity.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,071
    Leon said:

    An interesting point



    Ben Judah
    @b_judah
    ·
    1h
    France and AUKUS? I'm struck by the humiliation inflicted on Macron at the G7. As he dressed down Johnson over Northern Ireland and boasted of ties to Australia in the Indo-Pacific, the Anglo three literally made a move on the sidelines. A hit on him, internationally, personally.



    This is a direct slap in the face FOR MACRON

    Remember these images from the G7:


    "Emmanuel Macron made a beeline for Joe Biden after the G7 summit photo call in Cornwall. Biden, on whom Boris Johnson expended considerable energy attempting to politically woo ahead of the summit, warmly embraced the French president. Johnson was left lingering with Angela Merkel as he waited for the pair to catch up."

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2021/jun/11/emmanuel-macron-and-joe-biden-share-a-moment-after-g7-leaders-photo-video

    And this:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6MvVppnEto


    They're practically hugging. Biden gets all chummy and says to Macron "we're on the same page!"

    At the very same time these shots were taken, Biden was plotting to steal France's enormous sub deal, torpedo Macron's Indo-Pacific policy, snub France in the cruellest way, and utterly ignore the EU

    Biden is an absolute C*NT. I'm warming to him

    Or journalists over analyse meaningless things to suit a narrative.
  • dixiedean said:

    Driver shortage anecdote.
    Hexham to Newcastle.. Waited an hour and a half for a bus this afternoon on way in. Way back no bus from 5:30 till 8 at least. Supposed to be every half hour. Finally got a cab. Just got in.
    Toon at home. Plus bus company 40 drivers short. Not great.
    If you knocked off work at 5 and live past Prudhoe and are reliant on the bus, you aren't home yet.

    Everything was running fine when I was there in August though. Thoroughly recommend the Twice Brewed Inn, and the micropub in the pele tower in Corbridge
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,071

    Scott_xP said:

    France has recalled its ambassadors to the United States and Australia amid a backlash over a deal to supply submarines, the French foreign minister says - PA

    That's huge

    https://twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1438953858047303689

    Throwing their toys out of the pram time
    It seems so. Surely they'd do best to pretend it was no biggie and look for a chance to get their own back later.
    You would have thought so
    Michel Barnier must be happy with developments.
    If he's negotiating things for France they can be sure he will strike a hard bargain.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,071
    Scott_xP said:

    France has recalled its ambassadors to the United States and Australia amid a backlash over a deal to supply submarines, the French foreign minister says - PA

    That's huge

    https://twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1438953858047303689

    That really is an overreaction even if AUKUS had been a stab in the back. Recalling ambassadors as a gesture should be reserved for something a bit more than some diplomatic embarrassment.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,174
    kle4 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    France has recalled its ambassadors to the United States and Australia amid a backlash over a deal to supply submarines, the French foreign minister says - PA

    That's huge

    https://twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1438953858047303689

    That really is an overreaction even if AUKUS had been a stab in the back. Recalling ambassadors as a gesture should be reserved for something a bit more than some diplomatic embarrassment.
    Le grand strop
  • dixiedean said:

    kicorse said:

    On the article, I agree with Alastair Meeks on this one. The idea that the Lib Dems are a moderate party situated between Labour and the Conservatives is out of date.

    I am a hitherto floating voter (and Remainer) who joined Labour after the 2019 election. One factor in that decision was that the Lib Dems and Green Party had become too extreme and intolerant, so there was no alternative to Labour I could see myself supporting.

    It's been out of date longer than that. Kennedy attacked New Labour from the Left. Clegg anchored them on the Right.
    It harks back to the days when they were the non-Socialist, not cap doffing Party comfortable with modernity.
    Which is why they're so weak now, because in general that's the Conservative Party nowadays.

    HYUFD and JRM excepted.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,071
    edited September 2021
    I see Boris should pass a few more ex-PMs on the length of tenure list very shortly. He just recently passed George Hamilton-Gordon who, as everyone knows, was PM just before Palmeston.

    Just another 19 years in power and he has the record.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,950
    edited September 2021
    Astounding* that in a matter of weeks Biden has transformed from senile old fecker who betrayed us in Afghanistan to special relationship Joe who's screwed the Frogs. It's like those magical days of 'Biden phoned BJ first' have returned.

    *not astounding
  • Mad Cow Disease back?

    And no, not Arlene Foster. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-somerset-58602051
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,071

    Astounding* that in a matter of weeks Biden has transformed from senile old fecker who betrayed us in Afghanistan to special relationship Joe who's screwed the Frogs. It's like those magical days of 'Biden phoned BJ first' have returned.

    *not astounding

    On the contrary, some maintain he is still a senile old fecker who betrayed us and he has screwed the Frogs, so it balances out - he's just fecking everyone I guess.

    The phone thing is unedifying, except no one comes out looking well because some cannot help but salivate over how British PMs would be humiliated by being further down the list (they wouldn't) which is as sad as being proud of it (i forget the Tory MP who cringed about needing to 'earn' such a call).
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,392

    Mad Cow Disease back?

    And no, not Arlene Foster. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-somerset-58602051

    As the story says 5 cases since 2014, I’d say don’t worry.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,986
    France now recalls Ambassadors to US and Australia. Unprecedented between allied nations? Interestingly not from UK. A signal Paris regards Washington and Canberra as ringleaders in plot, with London as accomplice. Expect further French measures targeting interests of all three. https://twitter.com/fheisbourg/status/1438943701280202760
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,286
    kle4 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    France has recalled its ambassadors to the United States and Australia amid a backlash over a deal to supply submarines, the French foreign minister says - PA

    That's huge

    https://twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1438953858047303689

    That really is an overreaction even if AUKUS had been a stab in the back. Recalling ambassadors as a gesture should be reserved for something a bit more than some diplomatic embarrassment.
    It's "for consultation". That sounds like a reassurance, but I'm not sure if it is to be taken at face value.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,627
    Cyclefree said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Cyclefree said:

    I am going to vent now. Apologies in advance.

    But I am SO ANGRY.

    Hospital did not refer husband urgently to ENT. After calling them endlessly, still no answer from ENT service. GP has no urgent appointments. NHS 111 promised to get a duty doctor to call. No call.

    Now Husband running temperature, feeling worse and throat really quite painful. He has not eaten since Wednesday evening. So he needs some medication, some useful help and it is Friday evening. We are about to embark on our third trip in as many days to A&E and this time I am going inside and will be kicking up a fuss until they do something useful.

    If necessary I will drive him to Manchester or Preston or London come to that.

    This is just not good enough. It is scary. He is scared. I am furious.

    Is there a Patient Advice and Liaison Service (PALS) at the hospital in question? Giving them a hard time would at least relieve the tension. Doesdn't help being Friday, obvfs

    Best wishes
    We are in A&E now. In front of me there is a "How are we doing?" board. Don't tempt me!

    The priority is getting something to deal with the infection. He can't even swallow a paracetamol. Then we will find an ENT specialist and go private if necessary. Important to find out if there is some underlying reason why this has happened.

    Then a letter of complaint will go in. Though as the hospital is in special measures already, they know they're not up to it.

    And it's not just the hospital at fault here. All day we have been given the runaround by NHS 111 and the GP with each saying the other should do something and neither accepting responsibility to do anything. Calls are promised but not made.

    It's a collective shambles which has made a small problem worse than it should have been.
    Tricky on a Friday night, though Furness Hospital does have on site ENT, as does Preston.

    Happy for you to PM me @Cyclefree
  • Scott_xP said:

    France now recalls Ambassadors to US and Australia. Unprecedented between allied nations? Interestingly not from UK. A signal Paris regards Washington and Canberra as ringleaders in plot, with London as accomplice. Expect further French measures targeting interests of all three. https://twitter.com/fheisbourg/status/1438943701280202760

    They really are having a strop

    Embarrassing to the outside
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    Scott_xP said:

    France has recalled its ambassadors to the United States and Australia amid a backlash over a deal to supply submarines, the French foreign minister says - PA

    That's huge

    https://twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1438953858047303689

    They are being very childish
  • Astounding* that in a matter of weeks Biden has transformed from senile old fecker who betrayed us in Afghanistan to special relationship Joe who's screwed the Frogs. It's like those magical days of 'Biden phoned BJ first' have returned.

    *not astounding

    Biden became a Senator in 1972. He has been at or near the top of American politics for 50 years. He knows how to play hardball.
  • pigeonpigeon Posts: 4,837

    Astounding* that in a matter of weeks Biden has transformed from senile old fecker who betrayed us in Afghanistan to special relationship Joe who's screwed the Frogs. It's like those magical days of 'Biden phoned BJ first' have returned.

    *not astounding

    No. What has actually happened is that the American administration has done in each instance what it perceives to be in its national interest. And in the case of Aukus, that just so happens to suit the UK down to the ground.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,399

    dixiedean said:

    kicorse said:

    On the article, I agree with Alastair Meeks on this one. The idea that the Lib Dems are a moderate party situated between Labour and the Conservatives is out of date.

    I am a hitherto floating voter (and Remainer) who joined Labour after the 2019 election. One factor in that decision was that the Lib Dems and Green Party had become too extreme and intolerant, so there was no alternative to Labour I could see myself supporting.

    It's been out of date longer than that. Kennedy attacked New Labour from the Left. Clegg anchored them on the Right.
    It harks back to the days when they were the non-Socialist, not cap doffing Party comfortable with modernity.
    Which is why they're so weak now, because in general that's the Conservative Party nowadays.

    HYUFD and JRM excepted.
    Yes. ;)
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,627
    Scott_xP said:

    France has recalled its ambassadors to the United States and Australia amid a backlash over a deal to supply submarines, the French foreign minister says - PA

    That's huge

    https://twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1438953858047303689

    Socking it to perfidious Albion and the Americans does play well for France in an election year. They have their flag-shaggers too.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,071
    Foxy said:

    Scott_xP said:

    France has recalled its ambassadors to the United States and Australia amid a backlash over a deal to supply submarines, the French foreign minister says - PA

    That's huge

    https://twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1438953858047303689

    Socking it to perfidious Albion and the Americans does play well for France in an election year. They have their flag-shaggers too.
    It's a long time to that election, they need to pace themselves.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,399
    Canada.
    Average of last 11 polls. Sep 14-16. 20k+ sampled. Parties highest and lowest scores disregarded.

    Lib 31.5 (-1.6)
    Con 31.0 (-3.3)
    NDP 20.1 (+4.1)
    PPC 6.9 (+5.3)
    BQ 6.3 (-1.3)
    GP 3.3 (-3.3)

    Polls really herding now. 5 Lib leads, 3 Con, 3 ties. Con particularly. All 11 between 30 and 32.
    Enough to make Trudeau favourite. Not enough to make it comfortable or with any confidence.
    Con majority vanishing towards less than 1% chance. Liberal chance diminishing too.
    5.3 million already cast ballots. Not sure if that is steady or brisk though.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    Mad Cow Disease back?

    And no, not Arlene Foster. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-somerset-58602051

    As the story says 5 cases since 2014, I’d say don’t worry.
    That's odd, because a friend of mine died of it in Devon 3 years ago.
  • Scott_xP said:

    France has recalled its ambassadors to the United States and Australia amid a backlash over a deal to supply submarines, the French foreign minister says - PA

    That's huge

    https://twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1438953858047303689

    Even my two-year old at her worst doesn't throw strops that big.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,798
    kle4 said:

    I see Boris should pass a few more ex-PMs on the length of tenure list very shortly. He just recently passed George Hamilton-Gordon who, as everyone knows, was PM just before Palmeston.

    Just another 19 years in power and he has the record.

    If he achieved that the one thing that you could be sure of is that there would be posters on her claiming with complete certainty and confidence that he was rubbish and that people will see through him imminently.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,549
    Leon said:

    An interesting point



    Ben Judah
    @b_judah
    ·
    1h
    France and AUKUS? I'm struck by the humiliation inflicted on Macron at the G7. As he dressed down Johnson over Northern Ireland and boasted of ties to Australia in the Indo-Pacific, the Anglo three literally made a move on the sidelines. A hit on him, internationally, personally.



    This is a direct slap in the face FOR MACRON

    Remember these images from the G7:


    "Emmanuel Macron made a beeline for Joe Biden after the G7 summit photo call in Cornwall. Biden, on whom Boris Johnson expended considerable energy attempting to politically woo ahead of the summit, warmly embraced the French president. Johnson was left lingering with Angela Merkel as he waited for the pair to catch up."

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2021/jun/11/emmanuel-macron-and-joe-biden-share-a-moment-after-g7-leaders-photo-video

    And this:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6MvVppnEto


    They're practically hugging. Biden gets all chummy and says to Macron "we're on the same page!"

    At the very same time these shots were taken, Biden was plotting to steal France's enormous sub deal, torpedo Macron's Indo-Pacific policy, snub France in the cruellest way, and utterly ignore the EU

    Biden is an absolute C*NT. I'm warming to him

    Have you read Ben Judah's book about London? It was good but very depressing.
  • Scott_xP said:

    France now recalls Ambassadors to US and Australia. Unprecedented between allied nations? Interestingly not from UK. A signal Paris regards Washington and Canberra as ringleaders in plot, with London as accomplice. Expect further French measures targeting interests of all three. https://twitter.com/fheisbourg/status/1438943701280202760

    That's probably another feeble French attempt to insult the UK too

    "You're not important enough to recall ambassadors from" etc.

    To do anything else might risk giving credit to the idea that we had agency in shaping our own foreign policy outside the EU.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,392
    edited September 2021
    IshmaelZ said:

    Mad Cow Disease back?

    And no, not Arlene Foster. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-somerset-58602051

    As the story says 5 cases since 2014, I’d say don’t worry.
    That's odd, because a friend of mine died of it in Devon 3 years ago.
    Not from BSE, unless your friend was a cow. CJD by any chance?
  • pigeon said:

    Leon said:

    An interesting point



    Ben Judah
    @b_judah
    ·
    1h
    France and AUKUS? I'm struck by the humiliation inflicted on Macron at the G7. As he dressed down Johnson over Northern Ireland and boasted of ties to Australia in the Indo-Pacific, the Anglo three literally made a move on the sidelines. A hit on him, internationally, personally.



    This is a direct slap in the face FOR MACRON

    Remember these images from the G7:


    "Emmanuel Macron made a beeline for Joe Biden after the G7 summit photo call in Cornwall. Biden, on whom Boris Johnson expended considerable energy attempting to politically woo ahead of the summit, warmly embraced the French president. Johnson was left lingering with Angela Merkel as he waited for the pair to catch up."

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2021/jun/11/emmanuel-macron-and-joe-biden-share-a-moment-after-g7-leaders-photo-video

    And this:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6MvVppnEto


    They're practically hugging. Biden gets all chummy and says to Macron "we're on the same page!"

    At the very same time these shots were taken, Biden was plotting to steal France's enormous sub deal, torpedo Macron's Indo-Pacific policy, snub France in the cruellest way, and utterly ignore the EU

    Biden is an absolute C*NT. I'm warming to him

    He's a professional politician and he's absolutely played Macron while people were wibbling about how Biden cared about Ireland. 😂
    Biden (and the rest of the American political establishment, especially on the Democrat side) cares very much about Ireland. However, the importance of the Irish situation is also overstated.

    What the Americans care about above all is that the open border on the island of Ireland is maintained. Note that this is one thing, also, with which the British Government has never threatened to interfere. I'm far from convinced that the Americans give a monkeys whether or not the UK fiddles the technicalities of its wider agreements with the EU, still less that Boris Johnson pisses off the Northern Irish Unionists. So long as the movement of people and trade within Ireland is allowed to go undisturbed, it looks like that's enough for them.

    Turning to the French, they're quite right to suggest that they've been shafted not just by the Americans but, collectively, by Australia, the US and Britain. But it's very hard to feel any sympathy for Macron. He's been one of the leading hardliners in the EU approach to Brexit. If you treat your neighbour as a rival and try to score points off them, you can hardly come over all shocked if the neighbour acts in kind from time to time.
    If Macron wants to play games then he should expect the UK to respond in kind.

    He wants help?

    He can start by controlling his side of the channel properly.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    IshmaelZ said:

    Mad Cow Disease back?

    And no, not Arlene Foster. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-somerset-58602051

    As the story says 5 cases since 2014, I’d say don’t worry.
    That's odd, because a friend of mine died of it in Devon 3 years ago.
    Not from BSE, unless your friend was a cow. CJD by any chance?
    Human. CJD.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,627

    pigeon said:

    Leon said:

    An interesting point



    Ben Judah
    @b_judah
    ·
    1h
    France and AUKUS? I'm struck by the humiliation inflicted on Macron at the G7. As he dressed down Johnson over Northern Ireland and boasted of ties to Australia in the Indo-Pacific, the Anglo three literally made a move on the sidelines. A hit on him, internationally, personally.



    This is a direct slap in the face FOR MACRON

    Remember these images from the G7:


    "Emmanuel Macron made a beeline for Joe Biden after the G7 summit photo call in Cornwall. Biden, on whom Boris Johnson expended considerable energy attempting to politically woo ahead of the summit, warmly embraced the French president. Johnson was left lingering with Angela Merkel as he waited for the pair to catch up."

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2021/jun/11/emmanuel-macron-and-joe-biden-share-a-moment-after-g7-leaders-photo-video

    And this:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6MvVppnEto


    They're practically hugging. Biden gets all chummy and says to Macron "we're on the same page!"

    At the very same time these shots were taken, Biden was plotting to steal France's enormous sub deal, torpedo Macron's Indo-Pacific policy, snub France in the cruellest way, and utterly ignore the EU

    Biden is an absolute C*NT. I'm warming to him

    He's a professional politician and he's absolutely played Macron while people were wibbling about how Biden cared about Ireland. 😂
    Biden (and the rest of the American political establishment, especially on the Democrat side) cares very much about Ireland. However, the importance of the Irish situation is also overstated.

    What the Americans care about above all is that the open border on the island of Ireland is maintained. Note that this is one thing, also, with which the British Government has never threatened to interfere. I'm far from convinced that the Americans give a monkeys whether or not the UK fiddles the technicalities of its wider agreements with the EU, still less that Boris Johnson pisses off the Northern Irish Unionists. So long as the movement of people and trade within Ireland is allowed to go undisturbed, it looks like that's enough for them.

    Turning to the French, they're quite right to suggest that they've been shafted not just by the Americans but, collectively, by Australia, the US and Britain. But it's very hard to feel any sympathy for Macron. He's been one of the leading hardliners in the EU approach to Brexit. If you treat your neighbour as a rival and try to score points off them, you can hardly come over all shocked if the neighbour acts in kind from time to time.
    If Macron wants to play games then he should expect the UK to respond in kind.

    He wants help?

    He can start by controlling his side of the channel properly.
    Are we doing the war with France yet? Or do we have to get the next China war out of the way first?
  • Just thinking of who else we could do deals with to take this even further.

    Maybe we could strike an exclusivity agreement to supply garlic to the whole of South-East Asia from the Isle of Wight and drop it all off at Dien Bien Phu?
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,392
    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Mad Cow Disease back?

    And no, not Arlene Foster. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-somerset-58602051

    As the story says 5 cases since 2014, I’d say don’t worry.
    That's odd, because a friend of mine died of it in Devon 3 years ago.
    Not from BSE, unless your friend was a cow. CJD by any chance?
    Human. CJD.
    May or may not have been caused by eating BSE infected beef. The cases in the story are BSE, and not in the food chain.
  • Scott_xP said:

    France has recalled its ambassadors to the United States and Australia amid a backlash over a deal to supply submarines, the French foreign minister says - PA

    That's huge

    https://twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1438953858047303689

    Throwing their toys out of the pram time
    No, this is a toddler running amok in Toys'R'us and pulling down everything from every shelf in every single aisle.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,708
    On topic. Rentoul's point, that Davey's ruling out formal or informal coalition with the Tories undermines his future negotiating position, should be strengthened by observing that voters will be less likely to switch Con -> LD. It is a foolish move imho.
  • DavidL said:

    kle4 said:

    I see Boris should pass a few more ex-PMs on the length of tenure list very shortly. He just recently passed George Hamilton-Gordon who, as everyone knows, was PM just before Palmeston.

    Just another 19 years in power and he has the record.

    If he achieved that the one thing that you could be sure of is that there would be posters on her claiming with complete certainty and confidence that he was rubbish and that people will see through him imminently.
    Viewers in Scotland will have had their own opinion of BJ all along.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    Just thinking of who else we could do deals with to take this even further.

    Maybe we could strike an exclusivity agreement to supply garlic to the whole of South-East Asia from the Isle of Wight and drop it all off at Dien Bien Phu?

    Foreigners are soooo hilarious.
  • Foxy said:

    pigeon said:

    Leon said:

    An interesting point



    Ben Judah
    @b_judah
    ·
    1h
    France and AUKUS? I'm struck by the humiliation inflicted on Macron at the G7. As he dressed down Johnson over Northern Ireland and boasted of ties to Australia in the Indo-Pacific, the Anglo three literally made a move on the sidelines. A hit on him, internationally, personally.



    This is a direct slap in the face FOR MACRON

    Remember these images from the G7:


    "Emmanuel Macron made a beeline for Joe Biden after the G7 summit photo call in Cornwall. Biden, on whom Boris Johnson expended considerable energy attempting to politically woo ahead of the summit, warmly embraced the French president. Johnson was left lingering with Angela Merkel as he waited for the pair to catch up."

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2021/jun/11/emmanuel-macron-and-joe-biden-share-a-moment-after-g7-leaders-photo-video

    And this:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6MvVppnEto


    They're practically hugging. Biden gets all chummy and says to Macron "we're on the same page!"

    At the very same time these shots were taken, Biden was plotting to steal France's enormous sub deal, torpedo Macron's Indo-Pacific policy, snub France in the cruellest way, and utterly ignore the EU

    Biden is an absolute C*NT. I'm warming to him

    He's a professional politician and he's absolutely played Macron while people were wibbling about how Biden cared about Ireland. 😂
    Biden (and the rest of the American political establishment, especially on the Democrat side) cares very much about Ireland. However, the importance of the Irish situation is also overstated.

    What the Americans care about above all is that the open border on the island of Ireland is maintained. Note that this is one thing, also, with which the British Government has never threatened to interfere. I'm far from convinced that the Americans give a monkeys whether or not the UK fiddles the technicalities of its wider agreements with the EU, still less that Boris Johnson pisses off the Northern Irish Unionists. So long as the movement of people and trade within Ireland is allowed to go undisturbed, it looks like that's enough for them.

    Turning to the French, they're quite right to suggest that they've been shafted not just by the Americans but, collectively, by Australia, the US and Britain. But it's very hard to feel any sympathy for Macron. He's been one of the leading hardliners in the EU approach to Brexit. If you treat your neighbour as a rival and try to score points off them, you can hardly come over all shocked if the neighbour acts in kind from time to time.
    If Macron wants to play games then he should expect the UK to respond in kind.

    He wants help?

    He can start by controlling his side of the channel properly.
    Are we doing the war with France yet?
    Meh. Did that earlier this year.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,653
    IshmaelZ said:

    Mad Cow Disease back?

    And no, not Arlene Foster. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-somerset-58602051

    As the story says 5 cases since 2014, I’d say don’t worry.
    That's odd, because a friend of mine died of it in Devon 3 years ago.
    There was a very interesting Horizon programme a year or two back on BSE and the link with variant Creutzfeldt–Jakob disease (vCJD). There can be very long incubation times for vCJD, potentially 50 years or more.

    The full extent of the impact of BSE on the human population will only emerge slowly.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,392

    Foxy said:

    pigeon said:

    Leon said:

    An interesting point



    Ben Judah
    @b_judah
    ·
    1h
    France and AUKUS? I'm struck by the humiliation inflicted on Macron at the G7. As he dressed down Johnson over Northern Ireland and boasted of ties to Australia in the Indo-Pacific, the Anglo three literally made a move on the sidelines. A hit on him, internationally, personally.



    This is a direct slap in the face FOR MACRON

    Remember these images from the G7:


    "Emmanuel Macron made a beeline for Joe Biden after the G7 summit photo call in Cornwall. Biden, on whom Boris Johnson expended considerable energy attempting to politically woo ahead of the summit, warmly embraced the French president. Johnson was left lingering with Angela Merkel as he waited for the pair to catch up."

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2021/jun/11/emmanuel-macron-and-joe-biden-share-a-moment-after-g7-leaders-photo-video

    And this:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6MvVppnEto


    They're practically hugging. Biden gets all chummy and says to Macron "we're on the same page!"

    At the very same time these shots were taken, Biden was plotting to steal France's enormous sub deal, torpedo Macron's Indo-Pacific policy, snub France in the cruellest way, and utterly ignore the EU

    Biden is an absolute C*NT. I'm warming to him

    He's a professional politician and he's absolutely played Macron while people were wibbling about how Biden cared about Ireland. 😂
    Biden (and the rest of the American political establishment, especially on the Democrat side) cares very much about Ireland. However, the importance of the Irish situation is also overstated.

    What the Americans care about above all is that the open border on the island of Ireland is maintained. Note that this is one thing, also, with which the British Government has never threatened to interfere. I'm far from convinced that the Americans give a monkeys whether or not the UK fiddles the technicalities of its wider agreements with the EU, still less that Boris Johnson pisses off the Northern Irish Unionists. So long as the movement of people and trade within Ireland is allowed to go undisturbed, it looks like that's enough for them.

    Turning to the French, they're quite right to suggest that they've been shafted not just by the Americans but, collectively, by Australia, the US and Britain. But it's very hard to feel any sympathy for Macron. He's been one of the leading hardliners in the EU approach to Brexit. If you treat your neighbour as a rival and try to score points off them, you can hardly come over all shocked if the neighbour acts in kind from time to time.
    If Macron wants to play games then he should expect the UK to respond in kind.

    He wants help?

    He can start by controlling his side of the channel properly.
    Are we doing the war with France yet?
    Meh. Did that earlier this year.
    There’s many in England always up for fighting the french. It’s been going on for a thousand years after all...
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,354
    edited September 2021
    kle4 said:

    I see Boris should pass a few more ex-PMs on the length of tenure list very shortly. He just recently passed George Hamilton-Gordon who, as everyone knows, was PM just before Palmeston.

    Just another 19 years in power and he has the record.

    Do you mean the Earl of Aberdeen?

    Bad form to refer to a peer by their family name. Only Yanks do that.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,897
    edited September 2021
    Foxy said:

    Scott_xP said:

    France has recalled its ambassadors to the United States and Australia amid a backlash over a deal to supply submarines, the French foreign minister says - PA

    That's huge

    https://twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1438953858047303689

    Socking it to perfidious Albion and the Americans does play well for France in an election year. They have their flag-shaggers too.
    Plays well with me too. I just heard an American commentator on Ch4 News saying how corrupt Russia is and what they call democracy is a joke, The opposition are virtually disenfranchised .........

    "But " said Matt Frei said "the latest opinion polls show Putin has 58% support against an opposition in the low 20's....."

    'Yes but can you believe those pollsters? When you are in fear of talking to pollsters what do you expect......

    At which point my willing suspension of disbelief vanished into the ether. We'd just seen a sucession of Russians saying how crap the government was in broad daylight yet we were to believe they quivered in front of the pollsters!

    Isn't it time the Americans put their own house in order? They're making themselves look ridiculous and if their hypocrisy continues even the Hartlipudlians might start to notice.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,392
    edited September 2021

    IshmaelZ said:

    Mad Cow Disease back?

    And no, not Arlene Foster. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-somerset-58602051

    As the story says 5 cases since 2014, I’d say don’t worry.
    That's odd, because a friend of mine died of it in Devon 3 years ago.
    There was a very interesting Horizon programme a year or two back on BSE and the link with variant Creutzfeldt–Jakob disease (vCJD). There can be very long incubation times for vCJD, potentially 50 years or more.

    The full extent of the impact of BSE on the human population will only emerge slowly.
    At this time I suspect it will be tiny. Incidence according to the nhs is 1 or 2 per million per in the U.K. There has been enough time now if it was going to be a big problem. And besides, if you develop CJD 50 years later, how certain can you be that it was that dodgy burger way back then? CJD does happen without BSE.
  • Roger said:

    Foxy said:

    Scott_xP said:

    France has recalled its ambassadors to the United States and Australia amid a backlash over a deal to supply submarines, the French foreign minister says - PA

    That's huge

    https://twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1438953858047303689

    Socking it to perfidious Albion and the Americans does play well for France in an election year. They have their flag-shaggers too.
    Plays well with me too. I just heard an American commentator on Ch4 News saying how corrupt Russia is and what they call democracy is a joke, The opposition are virtually disenfranchised .........

    ,,,and then Matt Frei said 'But the latest opinion polls show Putin has 58% support against an opposition in the mid 20's.....'

    'Yes but can you believe those pollsters? When you are in fear of talking to pollsters what do you expect......

    At which point my willing suspension of disbelief vanished into the ether. We'd just seen a sucession of Russians saying how crap the government was in broad daylight yet we were to believe they quivered in front of the pollsters!

    Isn't it time the Americans put their own house in order? They're making themselves look ridiculous and if their hypocrisy continues even the Hartlipudlians might start to notice.
    The only one looking ridiculous tonight is France
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,627

    IshmaelZ said:

    Mad Cow Disease back?

    And no, not Arlene Foster. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-somerset-58602051

    As the story says 5 cases since 2014, I’d say don’t worry.
    That's odd, because a friend of mine died of it in Devon 3 years ago.
    There was a very interesting Horizon programme a year or two back on BSE and the link with variant Creutzfeldt–Jakob disease (vCJD). There can be very long incubation times for vCJD, potentially 50 years or more.

    The full extent of the impact of BSE on the human population will only emerge slowly.
    Yes, but the numbers being talked about 2 decades ago never materialised. If it was going to be big, then we would know by now.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,239
    Scott_xP said:

    France has recalled its ambassadors to the United States and Australia amid a backlash over a deal to supply submarines, the French foreign minister says - PA

    That's huge

    https://twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1438953858047303689

    hahahahahahahaha

    They're going to throw the biggest tantrum since Napoleon got barred from Splash Mountain at Disneyland for being too small
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,653
    Foxy said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Mad Cow Disease back?

    And no, not Arlene Foster. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-somerset-58602051

    As the story says 5 cases since 2014, I’d say don’t worry.
    That's odd, because a friend of mine died of it in Devon 3 years ago.
    There was a very interesting Horizon programme a year or two back on BSE and the link with variant Creutzfeldt–Jakob disease (vCJD). There can be very long incubation times for vCJD, potentially 50 years or more.

    The full extent of the impact of BSE on the human population will only emerge slowly.
    Yes, but the numbers being talked about 2 decades ago never materialised. If it was going to be big, then we would know by now.
    Yes, fair point.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    ydoethur said:

    kle4 said:

    I see Boris should pass a few more ex-PMs on the length of tenure list very shortly. He just recently passed George Hamilton-Gordon who, as everyone knows, was PM just before Palmeston.

    Just another 19 years in power and he has the record.

    Do you mean the Earl of Aberdeen?

    Bad form to refer to a peer by their family name. Only Yanks do that.
    As in, issuing proceedings called Giuffre vs Windsor?

    If only naming conventions were the principal issue here.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,354
    Foxy said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Mad Cow Disease back?

    And no, not Arlene Foster. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-somerset-58602051

    As the story says 5 cases since 2014, I’d say don’t worry.
    That's odd, because a friend of mine died of it in Devon 3 years ago.
    There was a very interesting Horizon programme a year or two back on BSE and the link with variant Creutzfeldt–Jakob disease (vCJD). There can be very long incubation times for vCJD, potentially 50 years or more.

    The full extent of the impact of BSE on the human population will only emerge slowly.
    Yes, but the numbers being talked about 2 decades ago never materialised. If it was going to be big, then we would know by now.
    Although if the country worst affected by the BSE epidemic does have a lot of low level CJD, that might explain Le Pen and Macron.

    This is a joke, btw. I do not think all of the French have CJD even if they did have more BSE than the rest of the world put together and repeatedly lied about it.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,627
    Roger said:

    Foxy said:

    Scott_xP said:

    France has recalled its ambassadors to the United States and Australia amid a backlash over a deal to supply submarines, the French foreign minister says - PA

    That's huge

    https://twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1438953858047303689

    Socking it to perfidious Albion and the Americans does play well for France in an election year. They have their flag-shaggers too.
    Plays well with me too. I just heard an American commentator on Ch4 News saying how corrupt Russia is and what they call democracy is a joke, The opposition are virtually disenfranchised .........

    "But " said Matt Frei said "the latest opinion polls show Putin has 58% support against an opposition in the low 20's....."

    'Yes but can you believe those pollsters? When you are in fear of talking to pollsters what do you expect......

    At which point my willing suspension of disbelief vanished into the ether. We'd just seen a sucession of Russians saying how crap the government was in broad daylight yet we were to believe they quivered in front of the pollsters!

    Isn't it time the Americans put their own house in order? They're making themselves look ridiculous and if their hypocrisy continues even the Hartlipudlians might start to notice.
    I am not too bothered either way. I think that any military role East of Suez* is even more obsolete for us than ever since we handed Hong Kong over to the CCP in 1997.

    *I know that we still have stuff in the Persian Gulf.
  • glwglw Posts: 9,906
    edited September 2021
    Roger said:

    Foxy said:

    Scott_xP said:

    France has recalled its ambassadors to the United States and Australia amid a backlash over a deal to supply submarines, the French foreign minister says - PA

    That's huge

    https://twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1438953858047303689

    Socking it to perfidious Albion and the Americans does play well for France in an election year. They have their flag-shaggers too.
    Plays well with me too. I just heard an American commentator on Ch4 News saying how corrupt Russia is and what they call democracy is a joke, The opposition are virtually disenfranchised .........

    ,,,and then Matt Frei said 'But the latest opinion polls show Putin has 58% support against an opposition in the mid 20's.....'

    'Yes but can you believe those pollsters? When you are in fear of talking to pollsters what do you expect......

    At which point my willing suspension of disbelief vanished into the ether. We'd just seen a sucession of Russians saying how crap the government was in broad daylight yet we were to believe they quivered in front of the pollsters!

    Isn't it time the Americans put their own house in order? They're making themselves look ridiculous and if their hypocrisy continues even the Hartlipudlians might start to notice.
    Frei The American commentator is right to question whether polling in Russia can be trusted.

    MOSCOW — Russian officials declared the Levada Center, the country’s only major independent pollster, a “foreign agent” on Monday, two weeks before nationwide parliamentary elections and days after a poll showed sliding support for the governing party, United Russia.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/06/world/europe/russia-vladimir-v-putin-levada-center-polling-duma-united-russia.html
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,354
    edited September 2021
    IshmaelZ said:

    ydoethur said:

    kle4 said:

    I see Boris should pass a few more ex-PMs on the length of tenure list very shortly. He just recently passed George Hamilton-Gordon who, as everyone knows, was PM just before Palmeston.

    Just another 19 years in power and he has the record.

    Do you mean the Earl of Aberdeen?

    Bad form to refer to a peer by their family name. Only Yanks do that.
    As in, issuing proceedings called Giuffre vs Windsor?

    If only naming conventions were the principal issue here.
    If Andrew wanted to really mess with their heads,* he could perfectly legitimately say that he is not Andrew Windsor and never has been. He was Andrew of England or Edinburgh and then Andrew, Duke of York. He could even do what most people do and adopt his father’s name…

    *This would of course be a considerable improvement on what he is alleged to have messed with in the past.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,708
    Farooq said:

    Leon said:

    Scott_xP said:

    France has recalled its ambassadors to the United States and Australia amid a backlash over a deal to supply submarines, the French foreign minister says - PA

    That's huge

    https://twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1438953858047303689

    hahahahahahahaha

    They're going to throw the biggest tantrum since Napoleon got barred from Splash Mountain at Disneyland for being too small
    Fun fact: Napoleon and Churchill were the same height
    What about their bmi?

  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,239
    Scott_xP said:

    France now recalls Ambassadors to US and Australia. Unprecedented between allied nations? Interestingly not from UK. A signal Paris regards Washington and Canberra as ringleaders in plot, with London as accomplice. Expect further French measures targeting interests of all three. https://twitter.com/fheisbourg/status/1438943701280202760

    "Ringleaders of the plot"


    Hohohoho


    This just gets better

    Allies have been stiffing each other over arms deals for a century. It's a tradition. Macron is turning a diplomatic snub and a trade reversal, into a total crisis, which just makes it worse.

    I really do think he has taken this personally, see my point below about Biden being all chummy in Cornwall even as he plotted to fuck over Macron. stuff France, and diss the EU
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,239
    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    An interesting point



    Ben Judah
    @b_judah
    ·
    1h
    France and AUKUS? I'm struck by the humiliation inflicted on Macron at the G7. As he dressed down Johnson over Northern Ireland and boasted of ties to Australia in the Indo-Pacific, the Anglo three literally made a move on the sidelines. A hit on him, internationally, personally.



    This is a direct slap in the face FOR MACRON

    Remember these images from the G7:


    "Emmanuel Macron made a beeline for Joe Biden after the G7 summit photo call in Cornwall. Biden, on whom Boris Johnson expended considerable energy attempting to politically woo ahead of the summit, warmly embraced the French president. Johnson was left lingering with Angela Merkel as he waited for the pair to catch up."

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2021/jun/11/emmanuel-macron-and-joe-biden-share-a-moment-after-g7-leaders-photo-video

    And this:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6MvVppnEto


    They're practically hugging. Biden gets all chummy and says to Macron "we're on the same page!"

    At the very same time these shots were taken, Biden was plotting to steal France's enormous sub deal, torpedo Macron's Indo-Pacific policy, snub France in the cruellest way, and utterly ignore the EU

    Biden is an absolute C*NT. I'm warming to him

    Have you read Ben Judah's book about London? It was good but very depressing.
    Yes I did, yes it wad good, yes it was depressing. I also thought it was an exaggeration. He is prone to hyperbole

    And yes, it takes one to know one
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    ydoethur said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    ydoethur said:

    kle4 said:

    I see Boris should pass a few more ex-PMs on the length of tenure list very shortly. He just recently passed George Hamilton-Gordon who, as everyone knows, was PM just before Palmeston.

    Just another 19 years in power and he has the record.

    Do you mean the Earl of Aberdeen?

    Bad form to refer to a peer by their family name. Only Yanks do that.
    As in, issuing proceedings called Giuffre vs Windsor?

    If only naming conventions were the principal issue here.
    If Andrew wanted to really mess with their heads,* he could perfectly legitimately say that he is not Andrew Windsor and never has been. He was Andrew of England or Edinburgh and then Andrew, Duke of York. He could even do what most people do and adopt his father’s name…

    *This would of course be a considerable improvement on what he is alleged to have messed with in the past.
    Or identify as citoyen André Capet.
  • NYT Picture Editor on the ball:


  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,239
    The great thing about Aukus is that when the French tried to invade us over Aukusgate we can now invoke the Fuck Our Enemies clause in Aukus and call upon our Aukusallies to help in our defence, so we simply get the Americans to nuke France and the Australians to overrun French polynesia, which should take about 2 days

    Job done
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,708

    NYT Picture Editor on the ball:


    God with us macaron.

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    Derby County into administration. First of many this season I should reckon.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,708
    John Sopel: "He's trying to make the worst of a bad situation" (about Macaron)
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,814

    IshmaelZ said:

    Mad Cow Disease back?

    And no, not Arlene Foster. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-somerset-58602051

    As the story says 5 cases since 2014, I’d say don’t worry.
    That's odd, because a friend of mine died of it in Devon 3 years ago.
    There was a very interesting Horizon programme a year or two back on BSE and the link with variant Creutzfeldt–Jakob disease (vCJD). There can be very long incubation times for vCJD, potentially 50 years or more.

    The full extent of the impact of BSE on the human population will only emerge slowly.
    At this time I suspect it will be tiny. Incidence according to the nhs is 1 or 2 per million per in the U.K. There has been enough time now if it was going to be a big problem. And besides, if you develop CJD 50 years later, how certain can you be that it was that dodgy burger way back then? CJD does happen without BSE.
    Yet there was that hotspot in north Leicestershire - where was it, Quorn? *checks* Queniborough. That was a real fright at the time.
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