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  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,246
    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Mr. Boy, ah, I just about remember those indicative votes.

    Though worth noting Labour did thrice vote against May's softer deal. Then bemoaned the obvious consequence of a more anti-EU PM coming in.

    Edited extra bit: Incidentally, like Socrates at the market I decided not to buy something I didn't need. This is entirely because of my iron discipline, and not because I'm enjoying Dragon Age: Origins so much that any PS5 game would be a downward step.

    May's deal was just Johnson's deal with a more workable solution for the Irish border and worse PR.
    I am exaggerating, but as the bitterest of Remoaners I don't look back longingly at May's Brexit deal as some kind of lost soft Brexit nirvana, believe me. In fact I prefer the current deal as its idiocy is likely to manifest itself more quickly, as is indeed happening.
    For me an upside of the alternative reality in which May's deal passed is that Boris Johnson would probably not be the Prime Minister. This is what Brexit, as it panned out, has delivered to us - him. It's not a benefit. Indeed it's the very opposite and it would take some quite stonking gains to balance the books.
    I think Boris Johnson as PM had a kind of historical inevitability about it. A country that still instinctively doffs its cap to a posho and has had such a charmed life that it thinks you can elect a joker like him and suffer no consequences was bound to end up with him in charge sooner or later. He is the leader we deserve.
    It’s sad, it really is. Such a sad sad situation. And despite recent glimmers in the polls I can see it getting more and more sad. Johnson is an arch surfer of class deference in pursuit of power and gratification and it’s this, not some exceptional “comic gift”, which has driven his rise to a position for which he hasn’t the slightest aptitude. He must be laughing his socks off at us. This is why I hate him. It’s not because he’s a Tory, I’ve lived most of my life under Tory PMs and haven’t felt this way about any of them. It’s not because of Brexit either. That was a shock, the Leave win, but I soon got my head around it. Just means we leave the EU. I remember the ballot paper well and there was no box to tick asking “Is it ok by you if the country is run by a vacuous poshboy?”
    You do understand that his ability to infuriate people like you, as we see here, is one reason people like me vote for him?

    You started this culture war, this is what happens in a war. Own it

  • Carnyx said:

    Off topic, do we have any bus enthusiasts (ignoring those for/agin the Brexit one and Mr Johnson's cardboard boxes)? This seems just right for them. And might calm tempers here some evenings.

    https://www.theguardian.com/games/2021/sep/14/bus-simulator-21-ps4-ps5-xbox-one-pc-stillalive-studios

    My sister drives busses as a sort-of hobby/side job, if that counts. (She does school runs and a few other similar trips.)
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,814
    sarissa said:

    Mr. Flatlander, some people want energy that's green. And safe. And secure. And renewable. And doesn't cost very much. And comes made by pixies.

    I want my energy made by large fish. Large, angry, mutated fish.


    Troy Tempest wants a word.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ij3COuXt5xI
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,582
    Charles said:

    Sandpit said:

    MattW said:

    Scott_xP said:

    MattW said:

    Which hard parts of the driving test are proposed to be scrapped, exactly?

    Reversing

    Second, tests will also be made shorter by removing the ‘reversing exercise’ element – and for vehicles with trailers, the ‘uncoupling and recoupling’ exercise – and having it tested separately by a third party.

    So - moved to a third-party site, as in the consultation doc - not removed from tests done by truck drivers.
    The third party will, for the larger operators anyway, probably be the fleet manager under instruction from their insurance company!
    Won’t the insurance company have a strong interest in preventing at fault crashes?
    Very much so - as will their PR departments, who wince every time there’s a photo of one of their trucks stuck under a too-low bridge, or on its side at a roundabout.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,897

    Exclusive: Prince Andrew's accuser, & Ghislaine Maxwell's most outspoken accuser, Virginia Giuffre, has NOT been chosen by the legal team to testify against Maxwell in the upcoming trial.

    It follows over 100 inconsistencies & fabrications being found in her numerous claims...


    https://twitter.com/Jay_Beecher/status/1437770802737422348?s=20

    Seems was not only Prince Andrew she has accused 'Amongst countless false claims (such as accusing another Prince, and 'foreign presidents', before admitting under oath that she'd lied)'
    https://twitter.com/Jay_Beecher/status/1437773181738176515?s=20
  • AlistairMAlistairM Posts: 2,005
    edited September 2021

    The other thing about especially food inflation, companies hold the line for a long time e.g. 99p for a bottle of pop was the norm for ages....once they can't hold it at that psychology price, it is soon shoots well past it e.g. pop quickky went to 1.30-1.40.

    I remember in the US it went from 99c to 1.49, then 1.99 as a norm real quick.

    And this is stuff people notice.

    Own-brand Coke is 19p in Aldi (for 2L).
  • maaarsh said:

    Pulpstar said:




    Mr. Eagles, isn't 'incel virgin' a tautology?

    Mr. Ping, got to show just how green and virtuous the government is (not unique to this one, all of them to Blair at least have done it). Can't nasty coal and gas power. I mean, yes, they keep the lights on but, boo! Carbon!*

    Meanwhile, in China...

    *I've caricatured my position slightly. I do think most renewables have some promise. But wind is stupid because it's unpredictable, and we need sufficient capacity from coal/gas/nuclear to crank out what we need. And now we're paying through the nose because politicians want to parade their green credentials and can easily afford to do so. Cf boilers.

    Put aside the health of the planet for a second.
    Solar and Wind with Storage is the way forward. Coal/Gas/Oil/Nuclear will be stranded assets. https://www.carbonbrief.org/solar-is-now-cheapest-electricity-in-history-confirms-iea
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zgwiQ6BoLA&t=1097s
    Why not take the HS2 budget and reallocate to offshore wind ?

    We've got one of the richest potential assets in the world here, and can flog to the Germans, Dutch, Belgiums on windy days who all have far less territorial waters per head than we do.

    It'd power our electric cars too.

    I know it's not that windy right now but with enough capacity you can break simply outbuild quiet days since there is pretty much always wind at sea.

    I'm not even particularly in favour of this for green arguments, though they are a nice bonus on top.

    https://www.gridwatch.templar.co.uk/

    We have 24GW of wind capacity, (on and offshore) and it's currently generating 2GW and hasn't topped 5GW in the last 20 days.

    On days of max power requirement (mid winter, high presssure, clear skies, freezing) there is no wind.
    The more intermittent capacity we build, the more has to be spent on back-up capacity to sit there with its finger up its arse* waiting to be called on when it is overcast and windless. It just raises costs.

    We need low-carbon dispatchable generation. Or CCS, as it is also known.

    *Also known as receiving a capacity payment.
    Look, I can see that that looks at first sight like a logical argument. It won't once you've watched this, go on I dare you.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zgwiQ6BoLA&t=1097s

    Then pull it apart, if you can.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,132
    Pulpstar said:




    Mr. Eagles, isn't 'incel virgin' a tautology?

    Mr. Ping, got to show just how green and virtuous the government is (not unique to this one, all of them to Blair at least have done it). Can't nasty coal and gas power. I mean, yes, they keep the lights on but, boo! Carbon!*

    Meanwhile, in China...

    *I've caricatured my position slightly. I do think most renewables have some promise. But wind is stupid because it's unpredictable, and we need sufficient capacity from coal/gas/nuclear to crank out what we need. And now we're paying through the nose because politicians want to parade their green credentials and can easily afford to do so. Cf boilers.

    Put aside the health of the planet for a second.
    Solar and Wind with Storage is the way forward. Coal/Gas/Oil/Nuclear will be stranded assets. https://www.carbonbrief.org/solar-is-now-cheapest-electricity-in-history-confirms-iea
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zgwiQ6BoLA&t=1097s
    Why not take the HS2 budget and reallocate to offshore wind ?

    We've got one of the richest potential assets in the world here, and can flog to the Germans, Dutch, Belgiums on windy days who all have far less territorial waters per head than we do.

    It'd power our electric cars too.

    I know it's not that windy right now but with enough capacity you can break simply outbuild quiet days since there is pretty much always wind at sea.

    I'm not even particularly in favour of this for green arguments, though they are a nice bonus on top.
    Four reasons. Firstly because it may have been spent placating Nimbys and subsidising a lunatic Stamp Duty Holiday, and Secondly because there is a huge investment already made in wind coming on stream over the next few years anyway, and Thirdly because HS2 is necessary (as has been discussed ad infinitum).

    And Fourthly because the 'supply crisis' may be exaggerated, transitional and overegged.

    Here is a list of UK offshore wind operating, commissioning and being developed.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_offshore_wind_farms_in_the_United_Kingdom

    The resource is more than doubling between 2020 and 2023, with another "2020 amount" due for commissioning between 2023 and 2026.

    Currently offshore wind does 5-10%. Demand is falling, so that's some headroom for a few years.

    We need to keep up with electric cars, which start to kick in as a noticeable demand from about 2026.

    We also have a couple of gas stations mothballed at present. Obvs wind fluctuations need to be managed.
  • maaarsh said:

    Pulpstar said:




    Mr. Eagles, isn't 'incel virgin' a tautology?

    Mr. Ping, got to show just how green and virtuous the government is (not unique to this one, all of them to Blair at least have done it). Can't nasty coal and gas power. I mean, yes, they keep the lights on but, boo! Carbon!*

    Meanwhile, in China...

    *I've caricatured my position slightly. I do think most renewables have some promise. But wind is stupid because it's unpredictable, and we need sufficient capacity from coal/gas/nuclear to crank out what we need. And now we're paying through the nose because politicians want to parade their green credentials and can easily afford to do so. Cf boilers.

    Put aside the health of the planet for a second.
    Solar and Wind with Storage is the way forward. Coal/Gas/Oil/Nuclear will be stranded assets. https://www.carbonbrief.org/solar-is-now-cheapest-electricity-in-history-confirms-iea
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zgwiQ6BoLA&t=1097s
    Why not take the HS2 budget and reallocate to offshore wind ?

    We've got one of the richest potential assets in the world here, and can flog to the Germans, Dutch, Belgiums on windy days who all have far less territorial waters per head than we do.

    It'd power our electric cars too.

    I know it's not that windy right now but with enough capacity you can break simply outbuild quiet days since there is pretty much always wind at sea.

    I'm not even particularly in favour of this for green arguments, though they are a nice bonus on top.

    https://www.gridwatch.templar.co.uk/

    We have 24GW of wind capacity, (on and offshore) and it's currently generating 2GW and hasn't topped 5GW in the last 20 days.

    On days of max power requirement (mid winter, high presssure, clear skies, freezing) there is no wind.
    The more intermittent capacity we build, the more has to be spent on back-up capacity to sit there with its finger up its arse* waiting to be called on when it is overcast and windless. It just raises costs.

    We need low-carbon dispatchable generation. Or CCS, as it is also known.

    *Also known as receiving a capacity payment.
    I am a massive CCS sceptic. From wiki (yes, I know...):

    "Despite carbon capture increasingly appearing in policymakers' proposals to address climate change,[11] existing CCS technologies have significant shortcomings that limit their ability to reduce or negate carbon emissions; current CCS processes are usually less economical than renewable sources of energy[12][13] and most remain unproven at scale.[14] Opponents also point out that many CCS projects have failed to deliver on promised emissions reductions. [15]"

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_capture_and_storage
  • Mr. Flatlander, some people want energy that's green. And safe. And secure. And renewable. And doesn't cost very much. And comes made by pixies.

    I want my energy made by large fish. Large, angry, mutated fish.
    I keep on telling my scientist friends that if science can create an effective Covid-19 vaccine in months then they really should be able crack cold fusion by 2023 if they pull their fingers out.
    A robot to do the ironing would be a nice start.
  • I fear inflation will be with us for quite a while....and for the government, it is particularly damaging, more so than tax rises, as inflation of energy or petrol or food, it is really in your face and noticeable every day.

    It was energy price shocks that caused the most problems in the 70s, according to the conventional telling of the tale, but I don't see how we could have a repeat in the same way.

    The higher fossil fuel prices go the more profitable wind and solar become, and the faster investment leads to an energy transition
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,814
    Carnyx said:

    Off topic, do we have any bus enthusiasts (ignoring those for/agin the Brexit one and Mr Johnson's cardboard boxes)? This seems just right for them. And might calm tempers here some evenings.

    https://www.theguardian.com/games/2021/sep/14/bus-simulator-21-ps4-ps5-xbox-one-pc-stillalive-studios

    Suddenly occurred to me to check the obvious. And yes one can buiy Euro Truck Simulator:

    "Travel across Europe as king of the road, a trucker who delivers important cargo across impressive distances! With dozens of cities to explore from the UK, Belgium, Germany, Italy, the Netherlands, Poland, and many more, your endurance, skill and speed will all be pushed to their limits."
  • maaarsh said:

    Pulpstar said:




    Mr. Eagles, isn't 'incel virgin' a tautology?

    Mr. Ping, got to show just how green and virtuous the government is (not unique to this one, all of them to Blair at least have done it). Can't nasty coal and gas power. I mean, yes, they keep the lights on but, boo! Carbon!*

    Meanwhile, in China...

    *I've caricatured my position slightly. I do think most renewables have some promise. But wind is stupid because it's unpredictable, and we need sufficient capacity from coal/gas/nuclear to crank out what we need. And now we're paying through the nose because politicians want to parade their green credentials and can easily afford to do so. Cf boilers.

    Put aside the health of the planet for a second.
    Solar and Wind with Storage is the way forward. Coal/Gas/Oil/Nuclear will be stranded assets. https://www.carbonbrief.org/solar-is-now-cheapest-electricity-in-history-confirms-iea
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zgwiQ6BoLA&t=1097s
    Why not take the HS2 budget and reallocate to offshore wind ?

    We've got one of the richest potential assets in the world here, and can flog to the Germans, Dutch, Belgiums on windy days who all have far less territorial waters per head than we do.

    It'd power our electric cars too.

    I know it's not that windy right now but with enough capacity you can break simply outbuild quiet days since there is pretty much always wind at sea.

    I'm not even particularly in favour of this for green arguments, though they are a nice bonus on top.

    https://www.gridwatch.templar.co.uk/

    We have 24GW of wind capacity, (on and offshore) and it's currently generating 2GW and hasn't topped 5GW in the last 20 days.

    On days of max power requirement (mid winter, high presssure, clear skies, freezing) there is no wind.
    Indeed, and we seem to want everyone using electric heating, just to make that problem 10x worse.

    Wishful thinking seems to be the on-trend planning method.


    The wood burner craze makes more sense by the day.
    Wood burner - that would be Drax Units 1, 2, 3 and 4.
  • https://twitter.com/MarshadeCordova/status/1437775078389948423

    MP resigns to spend more time in her constituency (mine!). I think that's a respectable thing to do.
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 8,721

    Exclusive: Prince Andrew's accuser, & Ghislaine Maxwell's most outspoken accuser, Virginia Giuffre, has NOT been chosen by the legal team to testify against Maxwell in the upcoming trial.

    It follows over 100 inconsistencies & fabrications being found in her numerous claims...


    https://twitter.com/Jay_Beecher/status/1437770802737422348?s=20

    See that's so misleading.

    Victims of sexual assault, particularly younger victims, have inconsistencies simply because they repress traumatic things.

    Things like dates/times/locations/clothes worn etc get mixed up.

    This becomes a larger issue for those who are the victim of repeated attacks.
    There was a Netflix drama, Unbelievable, which was quite instructive in that regard (that even with details taken shortly after the attack). Based - I don't know how faithfully - on true events.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,132
    Pulpstar said:

    maaarsh said:

    Pulpstar said:




    Mr. Eagles, isn't 'incel virgin' a tautology?

    Mr. Ping, got to show just how green and virtuous the government is (not unique to this one, all of them to Blair at least have done it). Can't nasty coal and gas power. I mean, yes, they keep the lights on but, boo! Carbon!*

    Meanwhile, in China...

    *I've caricatured my position slightly. I do think most renewables have some promise. But wind is stupid because it's unpredictable, and we need sufficient capacity from coal/gas/nuclear to crank out what we need. And now we're paying through the nose because politicians want to parade their green credentials and can easily afford to do so. Cf boilers.

    Put aside the health of the planet for a second.
    Solar and Wind with Storage is the way forward. Coal/Gas/Oil/Nuclear will be stranded assets. https://www.carbonbrief.org/solar-is-now-cheapest-electricity-in-history-confirms-iea
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zgwiQ6BoLA&t=1097s
    Why not take the HS2 budget and reallocate to offshore wind ?

    We've got one of the richest potential assets in the world here, and can flog to the Germans, Dutch, Belgiums on windy days who all have far less territorial waters per head than we do.

    It'd power our electric cars too.

    I know it's not that windy right now but with enough capacity you can break simply outbuild quiet days since there is pretty much always wind at sea.

    I'm not even particularly in favour of this for green arguments, though they are a nice bonus on top.

    https://www.gridwatch.templar.co.uk/

    We have 24GW of wind capacity, (on and offshore) and it's currently generating 2GW and hasn't topped 5GW in the last 20 days.

    On days of max power requirement (mid winter, high presssure, clear skies, freezing) there is no wind.
    The current capacity split is 13.7 GW of onshore and 10.4 GW of offshore capacity. I'd be interested to see the current split of on/offshore generation that goes into the 2.04 GW.



    https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/875384/Wind_powered_electricity_in_the_UK.pdf

    Offshore sites are typically able to use more of their available capacity for generation, as wind speed and direction are more consistent offshore. This is measured by the load factor, the proportion of maximum generation achieved. Offshore load factors averaged 38 per cent versus 26 per cent for onshore from 2010 – 2019. In 2018, relative to the global averages, UK wind farms achieved greater load factors both onshore and offshore2
    .


    Building more offshore capacity should help the mix.
    I don't know anyone who separates them, but gridwatch does it by source:

    https://gridwatch.co.uk/demand
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,582

    https://twitter.com/MarshadeCordova/status/1437775078389948423

    MP resigns to spend more time in her constituency (mine!). I think that's a respectable thing to do.

    Resigning from a shadow cab role, not as an MP.

    What’s the real reason, or does she just really love Battersea?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,246
    I'M GOING TO MAKE A LAKSA
  • Sandpit said:

    https://twitter.com/MarshadeCordova/status/1437775078389948423

    MP resigns to spend more time in her constituency (mine!). I think that's a respectable thing to do.

    Resigning from a shadow cab role, not as an MP.

    What’s the real reason, or does she just really love Battersea?
    No idea - I think she's a good constituency MP
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,758
    My opticians.. 'We can do first thing in the morning... 11:00 to 11.15.. !!'

    My 'first thing' is around 6am.

    Some years ago there was a huge bust-up in the management company of my flat - nobody could make any suggested day. It was interesting to see why they couldn't make a 5am meeting.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,129

    maaarsh said:

    Pulpstar said:




    Mr. Eagles, isn't 'incel virgin' a tautology?

    Mr. Ping, got to show just how green and virtuous the government is (not unique to this one, all of them to Blair at least have done it). Can't nasty coal and gas power. I mean, yes, they keep the lights on but, boo! Carbon!*

    Meanwhile, in China...

    *I've caricatured my position slightly. I do think most renewables have some promise. But wind is stupid because it's unpredictable, and we need sufficient capacity from coal/gas/nuclear to crank out what we need. And now we're paying through the nose because politicians want to parade their green credentials and can easily afford to do so. Cf boilers.

    Put aside the health of the planet for a second.
    Solar and Wind with Storage is the way forward. Coal/Gas/Oil/Nuclear will be stranded assets. https://www.carbonbrief.org/solar-is-now-cheapest-electricity-in-history-confirms-iea
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zgwiQ6BoLA&t=1097s
    Why not take the HS2 budget and reallocate to offshore wind ?

    We've got one of the richest potential assets in the world here, and can flog to the Germans, Dutch, Belgiums on windy days who all have far less territorial waters per head than we do.

    It'd power our electric cars too.

    I know it's not that windy right now but with enough capacity you can break simply outbuild quiet days since there is pretty much always wind at sea.

    I'm not even particularly in favour of this for green arguments, though they are a nice bonus on top.

    https://www.gridwatch.templar.co.uk/

    We have 24GW of wind capacity, (on and offshore) and it's currently generating 2GW and hasn't topped 5GW in the last 20 days.

    On days of max power requirement (mid winter, high presssure, clear skies, freezing) there is no wind.
    The more intermittent capacity we build, the more has to be spent on back-up capacity to sit there with its finger up its arse* waiting to be called on when it is overcast and windless. It just raises costs.

    We need low-carbon dispatchable generation. Or CCS, as it is also known.

    *Also known as receiving a capacity payment.
    But that's a very lazy argument.

    It's based on the assumption that the capital and maintainance costs of backup generation is really high.

    When it isn't.

    Having backup OCGT capacity to match total UK peaking demand would cost less than Hinckley C. And have much better availability.
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 4,664

    Mr. Eagles, isn't 'incel virgin' a tautology?

    Mr. Ping, got to show just how green and virtuous the government is (not unique to this one, all of them to Blair at least have done it). Can't nasty coal and gas power. I mean, yes, they keep the lights on but, boo! Carbon!*

    Meanwhile, in China...

    *I've caricatured my position slightly. I do think most renewables have some promise. But wind is stupid because it's unpredictable, and we need sufficient capacity from coal/gas/nuclear to crank out what we need. And now we're paying through the nose because politicians want to parade their green credentials and can easily afford to do so. Cf boilers.

    Put aside the health of the planet for a second.
    Solar and Wind with Storage is the way forward. Coal/Gas/Oil/Nuclear will be stranded assets. https://www.carbonbrief.org/solar-is-now-cheapest-electricity-in-history-confirms-iea
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zgwiQ6BoLA&t=1097s
    This "Storage" of which you speak. Whassat?
    Are you serious? Start here https://www.tesla.com/en_AU/blog/introducing-megapack-utility-scale-energy-storage
    Then watch the video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zgwiQ6BoLA&t=1097s
    That's fine for in-day smoothing, if you can source enough lithium.

    The one thing climate change seems to be doing is giving us stuck weather patterns due to a lower temperature gradient from pole to temperate latitudes (as pointed out earlier). This may include hard to shift frosty weather with very little wind lasting weeks at a time. See: 2010.

    I can't see how it will be economic to have storage capacity sitting around for 10 years waiting for one use.

    There has to be a viable supply uncoupled from the weather. That might be tidal, or something else.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,758
    Leon said:

    I'M GOING TO MAKE A LAKSA

    You're going to make a dull blue tent.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,132
    edited September 2021

    Mr. Flatlander, some people want energy that's green. And safe. And secure. And renewable. And doesn't cost very much. And comes made by pixies.

    I want my energy made by large fish. Large, angry, mutated fish.
    I keep on telling my scientist friends that if science can create an effective Covid-19 vaccine in months then they really should be able crack cold fusion by 2023 if they pull their fingers out.
    A robot to do the ironing would be a nice start.
    Eliminate -> Reduce -> Reuse -> Recycle

    Eliminate - who needs ironing?
  • Is this Boris saves Winter press conference still on at 4pm?

    No sign of it in any BBC channel listing.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,178
    AlistairM said:

    The other thing about especially food inflation, companies hold the line for a long time e.g. 99p for a bottle of pop was the norm for ages....once they can't hold it at that psychology price, it is soon shoots well past it e.g. pop quickky went to 1.30-1.40.

    I remember in the US it went from 99c to 1.49, then 1.99 as a norm real quick.

    And this is stuff people notice.

    Own-brand Coke is 19p in Aldi (for 2L).
    I should probably try and get used to own brand coke, spend a fortune on Pepsi.
  • Is this Boris saves Winter press conference still on at 4pm?

    No sign of it in any BBC channel listing.

    3:30 apparently.
  • Not my thing but there are tons of simulator games. Some more competently made than others. Some more boring than others.

    Maybe, instead of going to ConHome, transgressors here should be forced to play Lawn Mower Simulator for 10 hours.
  • Is this Boris saves Winter press conference still on at 4pm?

    No sign of it in any BBC channel listing.

    3:30 apparently.
    As his mum has just died will he be doing it?
  • maaarsh said:

    Pulpstar said:




    Mr. Eagles, isn't 'incel virgin' a tautology?

    Mr. Ping, got to show just how green and virtuous the government is (not unique to this one, all of them to Blair at least have done it). Can't nasty coal and gas power. I mean, yes, they keep the lights on but, boo! Carbon!*

    Meanwhile, in China...

    *I've caricatured my position slightly. I do think most renewables have some promise. But wind is stupid because it's unpredictable, and we need sufficient capacity from coal/gas/nuclear to crank out what we need. And now we're paying through the nose because politicians want to parade their green credentials and can easily afford to do so. Cf boilers.

    Put aside the health of the planet for a second.
    Solar and Wind with Storage is the way forward. Coal/Gas/Oil/Nuclear will be stranded assets. https://www.carbonbrief.org/solar-is-now-cheapest-electricity-in-history-confirms-iea
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zgwiQ6BoLA&t=1097s
    Why not take the HS2 budget and reallocate to offshore wind ?

    We've got one of the richest potential assets in the world here, and can flog to the Germans, Dutch, Belgiums on windy days who all have far less territorial waters per head than we do.

    It'd power our electric cars too.

    I know it's not that windy right now but with enough capacity you can break simply outbuild quiet days since there is pretty much always wind at sea.

    I'm not even particularly in favour of this for green arguments, though they are a nice bonus on top.

    https://www.gridwatch.templar.co.uk/

    We have 24GW of wind capacity, (on and offshore) and it's currently generating 2GW and hasn't topped 5GW in the last 20 days.

    On days of max power requirement (mid winter, high presssure, clear skies, freezing) there is no wind.
    The more intermittent capacity we build, the more has to be spent on back-up capacity to sit there with its finger up its arse* waiting to be called on when it is overcast and windless. It just raises costs.

    We need low-carbon dispatchable generation. Or CCS, as it is also known.

    *Also known as receiving a capacity payment.
    Look, I can see that that looks at first sight like a logical argument. It won't once you've watched this, go on I dare you.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zgwiQ6BoLA&t=1097s

    Then pull it apart, if you can.
    Sorry, I don't have time to review in detail - do they look at nat gas with CCS as a counterfactual?
  • Javier Blas
    @JavierBlas
    ·
    44m
    Well, that aged rather well.
    @Ofgem reports another two more UK power/gas retailers have just collapsed with a combined clientele of ~570,000 homes. And again, they would not be the last ones. Buy floating, selling fixed is not a very good business model right now
  • Not my thing but there are tons of simulator games. Some more competently made than others. Some more boring than others.

    Maybe, instead of going to ConHome, transgressors here should be forced to play Lawn Mower Simulator for 10 hours.

    No-one will ever beat Goat Simulator:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYbINugWKHA
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,897
    I expect one is sent to every nation on a big anniversary of its foundation or their independence day
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,758

    Not my thing but there are tons of simulator games. Some more competently made than others. Some more boring than others.

    Maybe, instead of going to ConHome, transgressors here should be forced to play Lawn Mower Simulator for 10 hours.

    I'm not Sunil, but I like railways. Some of the railway simulator stuff is really good. A real historical record, and often a delving into the past too. I've not payed for this stuff but it seems you really can see the halls of the Met line quite well.
  • This is bizarre. It’s almost as if @NicolaSturgeon has been given a list in advance of the questions that SNP backbenchers will ask, has let her mind wander, and read out the wrong answer. But that couldn’t happen, could it?...

    Nicola Sturgeon appears to have answered a question from an SNP backbencher asking for an update on the establishment of a Covid-19 inquiry with an answer solely on education and reducing risk of outbreaks in schools.


    https://twitter.com/murdo_fraser/status/1437782117618962454?s=20
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,103
    edited September 2021
    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Mr. Boy, ah, I just about remember those indicative votes.

    Though worth noting Labour did thrice vote against May's softer deal. Then bemoaned the obvious consequence of a more anti-EU PM coming in.

    Edited extra bit: Incidentally, like Socrates at the market I decided not to buy something I didn't need. This is entirely because of my iron discipline, and not because I'm enjoying Dragon Age: Origins so much that any PS5 game would be a downward step.

    May's deal was just Johnson's deal with a more workable solution for the Irish border and worse PR.
    I am exaggerating, but as the bitterest of Remoaners I don't look back longingly at May's Brexit deal as some kind of lost soft Brexit nirvana, believe me. In fact I prefer the current deal as its idiocy is likely to manifest itself more quickly, as is indeed happening.
    For me an upside of the alternative reality in which May's deal passed is that Boris Johnson would probably not be the Prime Minister. This is what Brexit, as it panned out, has delivered to us - him. It's not a benefit. Indeed it's the very opposite and it would take some quite stonking gains to balance the books.
    I think Boris Johnson as PM had a kind of historical inevitability about it. A country that still instinctively doffs its cap to a posho and has had such a charmed life that it thinks you can elect a joker like him and suffer no consequences was bound to end up with him in charge sooner or later. He is the leader we deserve.
    It’s sad, it really is. Such a sad sad situation. And despite recent glimmers in the polls I can see it getting more and more sad. Johnson is an arch surfer of class deference in pursuit of power and gratification and it’s this, not some exceptional “comic gift”, which has driven his rise to a position for which he hasn’t the slightest aptitude. He must be laughing his socks off at us. This is why I hate him. It’s not because he’s a Tory, I’ve lived most of my life under Tory PMs and haven’t felt this way about any of them. It’s not because of Brexit either. That was a shock, the Leave win, but I soon got my head around it. Just means we leave the EU. I remember the ballot paper well and there was no box to tick asking “Is it ok by you if the country is run by a vacuous poshboy?”
    You do understand that his ability to infuriate people like you, as we see here, is one reason people like me vote for him?

    You started this culture war, this is what happens in a war. Own it
    If one thing driving the politics of people like you is infuriating people like me, this confirms the views held by people like me about people like you.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,246

    Is this Boris saves Winter press conference still on at 4pm?

    No sign of it in any BBC channel listing.

    3:30 apparently.
    As his mum has just died will he be doing it?
    Yes, well said

    I know a lot of people here HATE Boris, but his Mum has just died

    A moment - perhaps a day - of human kindness and forgiveness would not go amiss
  • maaarsh said:

    Pulpstar said:




    Mr. Eagles, isn't 'incel virgin' a tautology?

    Mr. Ping, got to show just how green and virtuous the government is (not unique to this one, all of them to Blair at least have done it). Can't nasty coal and gas power. I mean, yes, they keep the lights on but, boo! Carbon!*

    Meanwhile, in China...

    *I've caricatured my position slightly. I do think most renewables have some promise. But wind is stupid because it's unpredictable, and we need sufficient capacity from coal/gas/nuclear to crank out what we need. And now we're paying through the nose because politicians want to parade their green credentials and can easily afford to do so. Cf boilers.

    Put aside the health of the planet for a second.
    Solar and Wind with Storage is the way forward. Coal/Gas/Oil/Nuclear will be stranded assets. https://www.carbonbrief.org/solar-is-now-cheapest-electricity-in-history-confirms-iea
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zgwiQ6BoLA&t=1097s
    Why not take the HS2 budget and reallocate to offshore wind ?

    We've got one of the richest potential assets in the world here, and can flog to the Germans, Dutch, Belgiums on windy days who all have far less territorial waters per head than we do.

    It'd power our electric cars too.

    I know it's not that windy right now but with enough capacity you can break simply outbuild quiet days since there is pretty much always wind at sea.

    I'm not even particularly in favour of this for green arguments, though they are a nice bonus on top.

    https://www.gridwatch.templar.co.uk/

    We have 24GW of wind capacity, (on and offshore) and it's currently generating 2GW and hasn't topped 5GW in the last 20 days.

    On days of max power requirement (mid winter, high presssure, clear skies, freezing) there is no wind.
    The more intermittent capacity we build, the more has to be spent on back-up capacity to sit there with its finger up its arse* waiting to be called on when it is overcast and windless. It just raises costs.

    We need low-carbon dispatchable generation. Or CCS, as it is also known.

    *Also known as receiving a capacity payment.
    I am a massive CCS sceptic. From wiki (yes, I know...):

    "Despite carbon capture increasingly appearing in policymakers' proposals to address climate change,[11] existing CCS technologies have significant shortcomings that limit their ability to reduce or negate carbon emissions; current CCS processes are usually less economical than renewable sources of energy[12][13] and most remain unproven at scale.[14] Opponents also point out that many CCS projects have failed to deliver on promised emissions reductions. [15]"

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_capture_and_storage
    Sorry, but that is a distorted and incomplete account. Ask the renewables crowd what the cost is of delivering dispatchable power. And without CCS, how do we decarbonise industry and heating?

    CCS with biomass fuel can even give net negative emissions. More readily than direct air capture, for sure.
  • Mr. Eagles, isn't 'incel virgin' a tautology?

    Mr. Ping, got to show just how green and virtuous the government is (not unique to this one, all of them to Blair at least have done it). Can't nasty coal and gas power. I mean, yes, they keep the lights on but, boo! Carbon!*

    Meanwhile, in China...

    *I've caricatured my position slightly. I do think most renewables have some promise. But wind is stupid because it's unpredictable, and we need sufficient capacity from coal/gas/nuclear to crank out what we need. And now we're paying through the nose because politicians want to parade their green credentials and can easily afford to do so. Cf boilers.

    Put aside the health of the planet for a second.
    Solar and Wind with Storage is the way forward. Coal/Gas/Oil/Nuclear will be stranded assets. https://www.carbonbrief.org/solar-is-now-cheapest-electricity-in-history-confirms-iea
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zgwiQ6BoLA&t=1097s
    This "Storage" of which you speak. Whassat?
    Are you serious? Start here https://www.tesla.com/en_AU/blog/introducing-megapack-utility-scale-energy-storage
    Then watch the video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zgwiQ6BoLA&t=1097s
    That's fine for in-day smoothing, if you can source enough lithium.

    The one thing climate change seems to be doing is giving us stuck weather patterns due to a lower temperature gradient from pole to temperate latitudes (as pointed out earlier). This may include hard to shift frosty weather with very little wind lasting weeks at a time. See: 2010.

    I can't see how it will be economic to have storage capacity sitting around for 10 years waiting for one use.

    There has to be a viable supply uncoupled from the weather. That might be tidal, or something else.
    Well, the more solar and wind there is around the less the need to store it, geography will help. It may still and cloudy here when it's sunny in France - and there's a new interconnector near where I live.
    But yes tidal is reliable and worthwhile - and cancelled by our Government.
    Seriously, view the video and see what you make of 'SuperPower'.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,246
    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Mr. Boy, ah, I just about remember those indicative votes.

    Though worth noting Labour did thrice vote against May's softer deal. Then bemoaned the obvious consequence of a more anti-EU PM coming in.

    Edited extra bit: Incidentally, like Socrates at the market I decided not to buy something I didn't need. This is entirely because of my iron discipline, and not because I'm enjoying Dragon Age: Origins so much that any PS5 game would be a downward step.

    May's deal was just Johnson's deal with a more workable solution for the Irish border and worse PR.
    I am exaggerating, but as the bitterest of Remoaners I don't look back longingly at May's Brexit deal as some kind of lost soft Brexit nirvana, believe me. In fact I prefer the current deal as its idiocy is likely to manifest itself more quickly, as is indeed happening.
    For me an upside of the alternative reality in which May's deal passed is that Boris Johnson would probably not be the Prime Minister. This is what Brexit, as it panned out, has delivered to us - him. It's not a benefit. Indeed it's the very opposite and it would take some quite stonking gains to balance the books.
    I think Boris Johnson as PM had a kind of historical inevitability about it. A country that still instinctively doffs its cap to a posho and has had such a charmed life that it thinks you can elect a joker like him and suffer no consequences was bound to end up with him in charge sooner or later. He is the leader we deserve.
    It’s sad, it really is. Such a sad sad situation. And despite recent glimmers in the polls I can see it getting more and more sad. Johnson is an arch surfer of class deference in pursuit of power and gratification and it’s this, not some exceptional “comic gift”, which has driven his rise to a position for which he hasn’t the slightest aptitude. He must be laughing his socks off at us. This is why I hate him. It’s not because he’s a Tory, I’ve lived most of my life under Tory PMs and haven’t felt this way about any of them. It’s not because of Brexit either. That was a shock, the Leave win, but I soon got my head around it. Just means we leave the EU. I remember the ballot paper well and there was no box to tick asking “Is it ok by you if the country is run by a vacuous poshboy?”
    You do understand that his ability to infuriate people like you, as we see here, is one reason people like me vote for him?

    You started this culture war, this is what happens in a war. Own it
    If one thing driving the politics of people like you is infuriating people like me, this confirms the views held by people like me about people like you.
    Yep, we hate you. We really do. It's not fake. It's actual, high-octane hatred
  • I don't think even the people who created the likes of Euro Truck Simulator or Farm Simulator ever envisioned just how massive they would become.
  • maaarsh said:

    Pulpstar said:




    Mr. Eagles, isn't 'incel virgin' a tautology?

    Mr. Ping, got to show just how green and virtuous the government is (not unique to this one, all of them to Blair at least have done it). Can't nasty coal and gas power. I mean, yes, they keep the lights on but, boo! Carbon!*

    Meanwhile, in China...

    *I've caricatured my position slightly. I do think most renewables have some promise. But wind is stupid because it's unpredictable, and we need sufficient capacity from coal/gas/nuclear to crank out what we need. And now we're paying through the nose because politicians want to parade their green credentials and can easily afford to do so. Cf boilers.

    Put aside the health of the planet for a second.
    Solar and Wind with Storage is the way forward. Coal/Gas/Oil/Nuclear will be stranded assets. https://www.carbonbrief.org/solar-is-now-cheapest-electricity-in-history-confirms-iea
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zgwiQ6BoLA&t=1097s
    Why not take the HS2 budget and reallocate to offshore wind ?

    We've got one of the richest potential assets in the world here, and can flog to the Germans, Dutch, Belgiums on windy days who all have far less territorial waters per head than we do.

    It'd power our electric cars too.

    I know it's not that windy right now but with enough capacity you can break simply outbuild quiet days since there is pretty much always wind at sea.

    I'm not even particularly in favour of this for green arguments, though they are a nice bonus on top.

    https://www.gridwatch.templar.co.uk/

    We have 24GW of wind capacity, (on and offshore) and it's currently generating 2GW and hasn't topped 5GW in the last 20 days.

    On days of max power requirement (mid winter, high presssure, clear skies, freezing) there is no wind.
    The more intermittent capacity we build, the more has to be spent on back-up capacity to sit there with its finger up its arse* waiting to be called on when it is overcast and windless. It just raises costs.

    We need low-carbon dispatchable generation. Or CCS, as it is also known.

    *Also known as receiving a capacity payment.
    I am a massive CCS sceptic. From wiki (yes, I know...):

    "Despite carbon capture increasingly appearing in policymakers' proposals to address climate change,[11] existing CCS technologies have significant shortcomings that limit their ability to reduce or negate carbon emissions; current CCS processes are usually less economical than renewable sources of energy[12][13] and most remain unproven at scale.[14] Opponents also point out that many CCS projects have failed to deliver on promised emissions reductions. [15]"

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_capture_and_storage
    Sorry, but that is a distorted and incomplete account. Ask the renewables crowd what the cost is of delivering dispatchable power. And without CCS, how do we decarbonise industry and heating?

    CCS with biomass fuel can even give net negative emissions. More readily than direct air capture, for sure.
    Storage is dispatchable power and the price of storage is collapsing right now (from a high starting point to be fair)
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,178
    edited September 2021

    Javier Blas
    @JavierBlas
    ·
    44m
    Well, that aged rather well.
    @Ofgem reports another two more UK power/gas retailers have just collapsed with a combined clientele of ~570,000 homes. And again, they would not be the last ones. Buy floating, selling fixed is not a very good business model right now

    With the recent cap rules vastly reducing the benefits of shopping round one has to ask why it's even privatised any more. They're all selling the same product just through different websites.
  • Real-world data out of Italy regarding vaccine effectiveness shows:

    •Against Hospitalization: 93%
    •Against ICU Admission: 96%
    •Against Death: 96%

    Delta is currently the most prevalent variant in Italy...

    Italy uses Pfizer (5 week interval), AstraZeneca (12 week interval), Moderna (4 week interval), and Johnson & Johnson COVID-19 vaccines. The vaccines are highly effective in preventing severe disease, hospitalization, & death due to COVID-19 even in the face of the Delta variant.


    https://twitter.com/sailorrooscout/status/1437781228111937537?s=20
  • Leon said:

    Is this Boris saves Winter press conference still on at 4pm?

    No sign of it in any BBC channel listing.

    3:30 apparently.
    As his mum has just died will he be doing it?
    Yes, well said

    I know a lot of people here HATE Boris, but his Mum has just died

    A moment - perhaps a day - of human kindness and forgiveness would not go amiss
    He should be taking some time off. Let Saj do the press conference.

    I certainly couldn't think about going to work when I was in that position.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,246

    Leon said:

    Is this Boris saves Winter press conference still on at 4pm?

    No sign of it in any BBC channel listing.

    3:30 apparently.
    As his mum has just died will he be doing it?
    Yes, well said

    I know a lot of people here HATE Boris, but his Mum has just died

    A moment - perhaps a day - of human kindness and forgiveness would not go amiss
    He should be taking some time off. Let Saj do the press conference.

    I certainly couldn't think about going to work when I was in that position.
    Agreed. He must be very sad, and his family distraught. Enough. Cut the guy some slack

    I am now going to buy INGREDIENTS for my LAKSA

  • This!!!!


    Andrew Lilico
    @andrew_lilico
    ·
    1h
    Just for everyone still saying on TV interviews or in other parts of the media that "Cases are rising", here's a graph of what cases in England are *actually* doing. That bit where they're lower on the right than to the left: that means they're falling. I hope this clears that up
  • Is this Boris saves Winter press conference still on at 4pm?

    No sign of it in any BBC channel listing.

    3.30 on both Sky and BBC
  • Sending Boris Johnson best wishes after the loss of his mother, was sad to read that
  • This!!!!


    Andrew Lilico
    @andrew_lilico
    ·
    1h
    Just for everyone still saying on TV interviews or in other parts of the media that "Cases are rising", here's a graph of what cases in England are *actually* doing. That bit where they're lower on the right than to the left: that means they're falling. I hope this clears that up

    Media....numbers..... wrong......rinse and repeat for 18 months.....
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,790

    Javier Blas
    @JavierBlas
    ·
    44m
    Well, that aged rather well.
    @Ofgem reports another two more UK power/gas retailers have just collapsed with a combined clientele of ~570,000 homes. And again, they would not be the last ones. Buy floating, selling fixed is not a very good business model right now

    Sounds like they are doing what Northern Rock did and failing in exactly the same manner.
  • maaarsh said:

    Pulpstar said:




    Mr. Eagles, isn't 'incel virgin' a tautology?

    Mr. Ping, got to show just how green and virtuous the government is (not unique to this one, all of them to Blair at least have done it). Can't nasty coal and gas power. I mean, yes, they keep the lights on but, boo! Carbon!*

    Meanwhile, in China...

    *I've caricatured my position slightly. I do think most renewables have some promise. But wind is stupid because it's unpredictable, and we need sufficient capacity from coal/gas/nuclear to crank out what we need. And now we're paying through the nose because politicians want to parade their green credentials and can easily afford to do so. Cf boilers.

    Put aside the health of the planet for a second.
    Solar and Wind with Storage is the way forward. Coal/Gas/Oil/Nuclear will be stranded assets. https://www.carbonbrief.org/solar-is-now-cheapest-electricity-in-history-confirms-iea
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zgwiQ6BoLA&t=1097s
    Why not take the HS2 budget and reallocate to offshore wind ?

    We've got one of the richest potential assets in the world here, and can flog to the Germans, Dutch, Belgiums on windy days who all have far less territorial waters per head than we do.

    It'd power our electric cars too.

    I know it's not that windy right now but with enough capacity you can break simply outbuild quiet days since there is pretty much always wind at sea.

    I'm not even particularly in favour of this for green arguments, though they are a nice bonus on top.

    https://www.gridwatch.templar.co.uk/

    We have 24GW of wind capacity, (on and offshore) and it's currently generating 2GW and hasn't topped 5GW in the last 20 days.

    On days of max power requirement (mid winter, high presssure, clear skies, freezing) there is no wind.
    The more intermittent capacity we build, the more has to be spent on back-up capacity to sit there with its finger up its arse* waiting to be called on when it is overcast and windless. It just raises costs.

    We need low-carbon dispatchable generation. Or CCS, as it is also known.

    *Also known as receiving a capacity payment.
    I am a massive CCS sceptic. From wiki (yes, I know...):

    "Despite carbon capture increasingly appearing in policymakers' proposals to address climate change,[11] existing CCS technologies have significant shortcomings that limit their ability to reduce or negate carbon emissions; current CCS processes are usually less economical than renewable sources of energy[12][13] and most remain unproven at scale.[14] Opponents also point out that many CCS projects have failed to deliver on promised emissions reductions. [15]"

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_capture_and_storage
    Sorry, but that is a distorted and incomplete account. Ask the renewables crowd what the cost is of delivering dispatchable power. And without CCS, how do we decarbonise industry and heating?

    CCS with biomass fuel can even give net negative emissions. More readily than direct air capture, for sure.
    Storage is dispatchable power and the price of storage is collapsing right now (from a high starting point to be fair)
    So let's see a demonstration that wind plus batteries is a lower cost solution than gas plus CCS.

    Or blue hydrogen, H2 storage and H2 generation for that matter.
  • MaxPB said:

    Javier Blas
    @JavierBlas
    ·
    44m
    Well, that aged rather well.
    @Ofgem reports another two more UK power/gas retailers have just collapsed with a combined clientele of ~570,000 homes. And again, they would not be the last ones. Buy floating, selling fixed is not a very good business model right now

    Sounds like they are doing what Northern Rock did and failing in exactly the same manner.
    A lot less consequential presumably!!
  • maaarsh said:

    Pulpstar said:




    Mr. Eagles, isn't 'incel virgin' a tautology?

    Mr. Ping, got to show just how green and virtuous the government is (not unique to this one, all of them to Blair at least have done it). Can't nasty coal and gas power. I mean, yes, they keep the lights on but, boo! Carbon!*

    Meanwhile, in China...

    *I've caricatured my position slightly. I do think most renewables have some promise. But wind is stupid because it's unpredictable, and we need sufficient capacity from coal/gas/nuclear to crank out what we need. And now we're paying through the nose because politicians want to parade their green credentials and can easily afford to do so. Cf boilers.

    Put aside the health of the planet for a second.
    Solar and Wind with Storage is the way forward. Coal/Gas/Oil/Nuclear will be stranded assets. https://www.carbonbrief.org/solar-is-now-cheapest-electricity-in-history-confirms-iea
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zgwiQ6BoLA&t=1097s
    Why not take the HS2 budget and reallocate to offshore wind ?

    We've got one of the richest potential assets in the world here, and can flog to the Germans, Dutch, Belgiums on windy days who all have far less territorial waters per head than we do.

    It'd power our electric cars too.

    I know it's not that windy right now but with enough capacity you can break simply outbuild quiet days since there is pretty much always wind at sea.

    I'm not even particularly in favour of this for green arguments, though they are a nice bonus on top.

    https://www.gridwatch.templar.co.uk/

    We have 24GW of wind capacity, (on and offshore) and it's currently generating 2GW and hasn't topped 5GW in the last 20 days.

    On days of max power requirement (mid winter, high presssure, clear skies, freezing) there is no wind.
    The more intermittent capacity we build, the more has to be spent on back-up capacity to sit there with its finger up its arse* waiting to be called on when it is overcast and windless. It just raises costs.

    We need low-carbon dispatchable generation. Or CCS, as it is also known.

    *Also known as receiving a capacity payment.
    I am a massive CCS sceptic. From wiki (yes, I know...):

    "Despite carbon capture increasingly appearing in policymakers' proposals to address climate change,[11] existing CCS technologies have significant shortcomings that limit their ability to reduce or negate carbon emissions; current CCS processes are usually less economical than renewable sources of energy[12][13] and most remain unproven at scale.[14] Opponents also point out that many CCS projects have failed to deliver on promised emissions reductions. [15]"

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_capture_and_storage
    Sorry, but that is a distorted and incomplete account. Ask the renewables crowd what the cost is of delivering dispatchable power. And without CCS, how do we decarbonise industry and heating?

    CCS with biomass fuel can even give net negative emissions. More readily than direct air capture, for sure.
    Storage is dispatchable power and the price of storage is collapsing right now (from a high starting point to be fair)
    For those who don't have the time to watch https://www.rethinkx.com/energy-reports here are some highlights:

    We are on the cusp of the fastest, deepest, most profound disruption of the energy sector in over a century. Like most disruptions, this one is being driven by the convergence of several key technologies whose costs and capabilities have been improving on consistent and predictable trajectories – namely, solar photovoltaic power, wind power, and lithium-ion battery energy storage.

    Our analysis shows that 100% clean electricity from the combination of solar, wind, and batteries (SWB) is both physically possible and economically affordable across the entire continental United States as well as the overwhelming majority of other populated regions of the world by 2030. Adoption of SWB is growing exponentially worldwide and disruption is now inevitable because by 2030 they will offer the cheapest electricity option for most regions.

    Coal, gas, and nuclear power assets will become stranded during the 2020s, and no new investment in these technologies is rational from this point forward. But the replacement of conventional energy technology with SWB is just the beginning. As has been the
    case for many other disruptions, SWB will transform our energy system in fundamental ways. The new system that emerges will be much larger than the existing one we know today and will have a completely different architecture that operates in unfamiliar ways.

    One of the most counterintuitive and extraordinary properties of the new system is that it will produce a much larger amount of energy overall, and that this superabundance of clean energy output – which we call super power – will be available at near-zero marginal cost throughout much of the year in nearly all populated locations. The SWB disruption of energy will closely parallel the digital disruption of information technology. Just as computers and the Internet slashed the marginal cost of information and opened the door to hundreds of new business models that collectively have had a transformative impact upon the global economy, so too will SWB slash the marginal cost of electricity and create a plethora of opportunities for innovation and entrepreneurship. What happened in the world of bits is now poised to happen in the world of electrons.
  • A great example of the problems with central planning/full blown industrial policy: 15 skyscrapers in China that were part of the Liyang Star City Phase II Project were just demolished after sitting unfinished for eight years due to no market demand. https://t.co/qzjxLnHQ2k
  • Is this Boris saves Winter press conference still on at 4pm?

    No sign of it in any BBC channel listing.

    3.30 on both Sky and BBC
    News peep have stopped labelling this as a 'News Special' and so on.

    Further sign that we are now in the endemic and not pandemic phase?
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,174

    Javier Blas
    @JavierBlas
    ·
    44m
    Well, that aged rather well.
    @Ofgem reports another two more UK power/gas retailers have just collapsed with a combined clientele of ~570,000 homes. And again, they would not be the last ones. Buy floating, selling fixed is not a very good business model right now

    F***sake. I'm with UP and have been for a few years. I thought they were solid and renewed on a decent 18 month deal just three months ago. Now I'll get lumped on a terrible deal.
  • Boris live on BBC now
  • A great example of the problems with central planning/full blown industrial policy: 15 skyscrapers in China that were part of the Liyang Star City Phase II Project were just demolished after sitting unfinished for eight years due to no market demand. https://t.co/qzjxLnHQ2k

    Coming to a city centre near you soon.

    All those new offices in Leeds and Manchester. Really?
  • Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Mr. Boy, ah, I just about remember those indicative votes.

    Though worth noting Labour did thrice vote against May's softer deal. Then bemoaned the obvious consequence of a more anti-EU PM coming in.

    Edited extra bit: Incidentally, like Socrates at the market I decided not to buy something I didn't need. This is entirely because of my iron discipline, and not because I'm enjoying Dragon Age: Origins so much that any PS5 game would be a downward step.

    May's deal was just Johnson's deal with a more workable solution for the Irish border and worse PR.
    I am exaggerating, but as the bitterest of Remoaners I don't look back longingly at May's Brexit deal as some kind of lost soft Brexit nirvana, believe me. In fact I prefer the current deal as its idiocy is likely to manifest itself more quickly, as is indeed happening.
    For me an upside of the alternative reality in which May's deal passed is that Boris Johnson would probably not be the Prime Minister. This is what Brexit, as it panned out, has delivered to us - him. It's not a benefit. Indeed it's the very opposite and it would take some quite stonking gains to balance the books.
    I think Boris Johnson as PM had a kind of historical inevitability about it. A country that still instinctively doffs its cap to a posho and has had such a charmed life that it thinks you can elect a joker like him and suffer no consequences was bound to end up with him in charge sooner or later. He is the leader we deserve.
    It’s sad, it really is. Such a sad sad situation. And despite recent glimmers in the polls I can see it getting more and more sad. Johnson is an arch surfer of class deference in pursuit of power and gratification and it’s this, not some exceptional “comic gift”, which has driven his rise to a position for which he hasn’t the slightest aptitude. He must be laughing his socks off at us. This is why I hate him. It’s not because he’s a Tory, I’ve lived most of my life under Tory PMs and haven’t felt this way about any of them. It’s not because of Brexit either. That was a shock, the Leave win, but I soon got my head around it. Just means we leave the EU. I remember the ballot paper well and there was no box to tick asking “Is it ok by you if the country is run by a vacuous poshboy?”
    You do understand that his ability to infuriate people like you, as we see here, is one reason people like me vote for him?

    You started this culture war, this is what happens in a war. Own it
    If one thing driving the politics of people like you is infuriating people like me, this confirms the views held by people like me about people like you.
    Yep, we hate you. We really do. It's not fake. It's actual, high-octane hatred
    I wonder if this high-octane hatred could somehow be channeled into meeting our energy needs? It sounds like it's a limitless, carbon-neutral power source.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,582

    A great example of the problems with central planning/full blown industrial policy: 15 skyscrapers in China that were part of the Liyang Star City Phase II Project were just demolished after sitting unfinished for eight years due to no market demand. https://t.co/qzjxLnHQ2k

    Is it just me, or did one of those buildings in the middle drop down a few floors but then fail to fall over?
  • maaarsh said:

    Pulpstar said:




    Mr. Eagles, isn't 'incel virgin' a tautology?

    Mr. Ping, got to show just how green and virtuous the government is (not unique to this one, all of them to Blair at least have done it). Can't nasty coal and gas power. I mean, yes, they keep the lights on but, boo! Carbon!*

    Meanwhile, in China...

    *I've caricatured my position slightly. I do think most renewables have some promise. But wind is stupid because it's unpredictable, and we need sufficient capacity from coal/gas/nuclear to crank out what we need. And now we're paying through the nose because politicians want to parade their green credentials and can easily afford to do so. Cf boilers.

    Put aside the health of the planet for a second.
    Solar and Wind with Storage is the way forward. Coal/Gas/Oil/Nuclear will be stranded assets. https://www.carbonbrief.org/solar-is-now-cheapest-electricity-in-history-confirms-iea
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zgwiQ6BoLA&t=1097s
    Why not take the HS2 budget and reallocate to offshore wind ?

    We've got one of the richest potential assets in the world here, and can flog to the Germans, Dutch, Belgiums on windy days who all have far less territorial waters per head than we do.

    It'd power our electric cars too.

    I know it's not that windy right now but with enough capacity you can break simply outbuild quiet days since there is pretty much always wind at sea.

    I'm not even particularly in favour of this for green arguments, though they are a nice bonus on top.

    https://www.gridwatch.templar.co.uk/

    We have 24GW of wind capacity, (on and offshore) and it's currently generating 2GW and hasn't topped 5GW in the last 20 days.

    On days of max power requirement (mid winter, high presssure, clear skies, freezing) there is no wind.
    The more intermittent capacity we build, the more has to be spent on back-up capacity to sit there with its finger up its arse* waiting to be called on when it is overcast and windless. It just raises costs.

    We need low-carbon dispatchable generation. Or CCS, as it is also known.

    *Also known as receiving a capacity payment.
    I am a massive CCS sceptic. From wiki (yes, I know...):

    "Despite carbon capture increasingly appearing in policymakers' proposals to address climate change,[11] existing CCS technologies have significant shortcomings that limit their ability to reduce or negate carbon emissions; current CCS processes are usually less economical than renewable sources of energy[12][13] and most remain unproven at scale.[14] Opponents also point out that many CCS projects have failed to deliver on promised emissions reductions. [15]"

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_capture_and_storage
    Sorry, but that is a distorted and incomplete account. Ask the renewables crowd what the cost is of delivering dispatchable power. And without CCS, how do we decarbonise industry and heating?

    CCS with biomass fuel can even give net negative emissions. More readily than direct air capture, for sure.
    Storage is dispatchable power and the price of storage is collapsing right now (from a high starting point to be fair)
    So let's see a demonstration that wind plus batteries is a lower cost solution than gas plus CCS.

    Or blue hydrogen, H2 storage and H2 generation for that matter.
    "The authors of CEC’s new paper, ‘Battery storage: the new, clean peaker,’ found that a 250MW, four-hour (1,000MWh) battery system in New South Wales would be a cheaper option for meeting peak demand than a 250MW new-build OCGT from both levelised cost of energy (LCOE) and levelised cost of capacity (LCOC) perspectives."
    https://www.energy-storage.news/battery-storage-30-cheaper-than-new-gas-peaker-plants-australian-study-finds/?utm_source=rss-feeds&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=general
  • pingping Posts: 3,805
    tlg86 said:

    Javier Blas
    @JavierBlas
    ·
    44m
    Well, that aged rather well.
    @Ofgem reports another two more UK power/gas retailers have just collapsed with a combined clientele of ~570,000 homes. And again, they would not be the last ones. Buy floating, selling fixed is not a very good business model right now

    F***sake. I'm with UP and have been for a few years. I thought they were solid and renewed on a decent 18 month deal just three months ago. Now I'll get lumped on a terrible deal.
    I thought they had an industry agreement that meant “sold” customers are kept on the same tariff until it naturally expired.

    I might be wrong tho
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,132
    tlg86 said:

    Javier Blas
    @JavierBlas
    ·
    44m
    Well, that aged rather well.
    @Ofgem reports another two more UK power/gas retailers have just collapsed with a combined clientele of ~570,000 homes. And again, they would not be the last ones. Buy floating, selling fixed is not a very good business model right now

    F***sake. I'm with UP and have been for a few years. I thought they were solid and renewed on a decent 18 month deal just three months ago. Now I'll get lumped on a terrible deal.
    Utility Point are interesting.

    They have been coming out with new tariffs about every fortnight.

    Their webpage lists hundreds.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,178
    What's Boris got in store for us - Christmas in the garden with your Nan ?
  • StockyStocky Posts: 10,213
    MattW said:

    tlg86 said:

    Javier Blas
    @JavierBlas
    ·
    44m
    Well, that aged rather well.
    @Ofgem reports another two more UK power/gas retailers have just collapsed with a combined clientele of ~570,000 homes. And again, they would not be the last ones. Buy floating, selling fixed is not a very good business model right now

    F***sake. I'm with UP and have been for a few years. I thought they were solid and renewed on a decent 18 month deal just three months ago. Now I'll get lumped on a terrible deal.
    Utility Point are interesting.

    They have been coming out with new tariffs about every fortnight.

    Their webpage lists hundreds.
    Think that may be who I'm with. Not sure because I use Flipper and leave it to them.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,479

    This!!!!


    Andrew Lilico
    @andrew_lilico
    ·
    1h
    Just for everyone still saying on TV interviews or in other parts of the media that "Cases are rising", here's a graph of what cases in England are *actually* doing. That bit where they're lower on the right than to the left: that means they're falling. I hope this clears that up

    There was an epic episode from one or more posters on here the other day when they claimed cases were rising to record levels, when they were in fact falling at that time. That said, the very same poster(s) predicted 100,000 cases 'next week' in the middle of July, insisted that pubs wouldn't be allowed to open outside on 12 April because it wasn't viable, and continue to make hysterical and inaccurate hyperbolic comments, seemingly for their own warped entertainment.

    So it's not just the media – there's a lot of luxuriating in doom about.

    It's a very popular pastime.
  • maaarsh said:

    Pulpstar said:




    Mr. Eagles, isn't 'incel virgin' a tautology?

    Mr. Ping, got to show just how green and virtuous the government is (not unique to this one, all of them to Blair at least have done it). Can't nasty coal and gas power. I mean, yes, they keep the lights on but, boo! Carbon!*

    Meanwhile, in China...

    *I've caricatured my position slightly. I do think most renewables have some promise. But wind is stupid because it's unpredictable, and we need sufficient capacity from coal/gas/nuclear to crank out what we need. And now we're paying through the nose because politicians want to parade their green credentials and can easily afford to do so. Cf boilers.

    Put aside the health of the planet for a second.
    Solar and Wind with Storage is the way forward. Coal/Gas/Oil/Nuclear will be stranded assets. https://www.carbonbrief.org/solar-is-now-cheapest-electricity-in-history-confirms-iea
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zgwiQ6BoLA&t=1097s
    Why not take the HS2 budget and reallocate to offshore wind ?

    We've got one of the richest potential assets in the world here, and can flog to the Germans, Dutch, Belgiums on windy days who all have far less territorial waters per head than we do.

    It'd power our electric cars too.

    I know it's not that windy right now but with enough capacity you can break simply outbuild quiet days since there is pretty much always wind at sea.

    I'm not even particularly in favour of this for green arguments, though they are a nice bonus on top.

    https://www.gridwatch.templar.co.uk/

    We have 24GW of wind capacity, (on and offshore) and it's currently generating 2GW and hasn't topped 5GW in the last 20 days.

    On days of max power requirement (mid winter, high presssure, clear skies, freezing) there is no wind.
    The more intermittent capacity we build, the more has to be spent on back-up capacity to sit there with its finger up its arse* waiting to be called on when it is overcast and windless. It just raises costs.

    We need low-carbon dispatchable generation. Or CCS, as it is also known.

    *Also known as receiving a capacity payment.
    I am a massive CCS sceptic. From wiki (yes, I know...):

    "Despite carbon capture increasingly appearing in policymakers' proposals to address climate change,[11] existing CCS technologies have significant shortcomings that limit their ability to reduce or negate carbon emissions; current CCS processes are usually less economical than renewable sources of energy[12][13] and most remain unproven at scale.[14] Opponents also point out that many CCS projects have failed to deliver on promised emissions reductions. [15]"

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_capture_and_storage
    Sorry, but that is a distorted and incomplete account. Ask the renewables crowd what the cost is of delivering dispatchable power. And without CCS, how do we decarbonise industry and heating?

    CCS with biomass fuel can even give net negative emissions. More readily than direct air capture, for sure.
    Storage is dispatchable power and the price of storage is collapsing right now (from a high starting point to be fair)
    So let's see a demonstration that wind plus batteries is a lower cost solution than gas plus CCS.

    Or blue hydrogen, H2 storage and H2 generation for that matter.
    "The authors of CEC’s new paper, ‘Battery storage: the new, clean peaker,’ found that a 250MW, four-hour (1,000MWh) battery system in New South Wales would be a cheaper option for meeting peak demand than a 250MW new-build OCGT from both levelised cost of energy (LCOE) and levelised cost of capacity (LCOC) perspectives."
    https://www.energy-storage.news/battery-storage-30-cheaper-than-new-gas-peaker-plants-australian-study-finds/?utm_source=rss-feeds&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=general
    And for mid-merit against CCGT?
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,132
    Warning for @Big_G_NorthWales from the BBC...

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-58556726
    Llandudno goat selfie warning from coastguard
  • eekeek Posts: 28,366
    ping said:

    tlg86 said:

    Javier Blas
    @JavierBlas
    ·
    44m
    Well, that aged rather well.
    @Ofgem reports another two more UK power/gas retailers have just collapsed with a combined clientele of ~570,000 homes. And again, they would not be the last ones. Buy floating, selling fixed is not a very good business model right now

    F***sake. I'm with UP and have been for a few years. I thought they were solid and renewed on a decent 18 month deal just three months ago. Now I'll get lumped on a terrible deal.
    I thought they had an industry agreement that meant “sold” customers are kept on the same tariff until it naturally expired.

    I might be wrong tho
    How does that work when the tariff is unprofitable? I can see some companies being willing to do it for some tariffs but can't see it being done for all tariffs.

    Separately take your meter readings now in case of future problems.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,103
    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Mr. Boy, ah, I just about remember those indicative votes.

    Though worth noting Labour did thrice vote against May's softer deal. Then bemoaned the obvious consequence of a more anti-EU PM coming in.

    Edited extra bit: Incidentally, like Socrates at the market I decided not to buy something I didn't need. This is entirely because of my iron discipline, and not because I'm enjoying Dragon Age: Origins so much that any PS5 game would be a downward step.

    May's deal was just Johnson's deal with a more workable solution for the Irish border and worse PR.
    I am exaggerating, but as the bitterest of Remoaners I don't look back longingly at May's Brexit deal as some kind of lost soft Brexit nirvana, believe me. In fact I prefer the current deal as its idiocy is likely to manifest itself more quickly, as is indeed happening.
    For me an upside of the alternative reality in which May's deal passed is that Boris Johnson would probably not be the Prime Minister. This is what Brexit, as it panned out, has delivered to us - him. It's not a benefit. Indeed it's the very opposite and it would take some quite stonking gains to balance the books.
    I think Boris Johnson as PM had a kind of historical inevitability about it. A country that still instinctively doffs its cap to a posho and has had such a charmed life that it thinks you can elect a joker like him and suffer no consequences was bound to end up with him in charge sooner or later. He is the leader we deserve.
    It’s sad, it really is. Such a sad sad situation. And despite recent glimmers in the polls I can see it getting more and more sad. Johnson is an arch surfer of class deference in pursuit of power and gratification and it’s this, not some exceptional “comic gift”, which has driven his rise to a position for which he hasn’t the slightest aptitude. He must be laughing his socks off at us. This is why I hate him. It’s not because he’s a Tory, I’ve lived most of my life under Tory PMs and haven’t felt this way about any of them. It’s not because of Brexit either. That was a shock, the Leave win, but I soon got my head around it. Just means we leave the EU. I remember the ballot paper well and there was no box to tick asking “Is it ok by you if the country is run by a vacuous poshboy?”
    You do understand that his ability to infuriate people like you, as we see here, is one reason people like me vote for him?

    You started this culture war, this is what happens in a war. Own it
    If one thing driving the politics of people like you is infuriating people like me, this confirms the views held by people like me about people like you.
    Yep, we hate you. We really do. It's not fake. It's actual, high-octane hatred
    Look, no need for this to get heated. All I'm saying is that in my view people who positively like Boris Johnson as a politician are lacking in either perception or self-respect. It's nothing personal.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,027
    edited September 2021
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,300
    I see that The MP for Battersea is going to spend more time on holding her marginal seat, or is she finding a new excuse to stand down?

    "Marsha de Cordova MP
    @MarshadeCordova
    · 54m
    2/2 Having only been elected in 2017 for the historically marginal constituency of Battersea, I would like to focus more of my time and efforts on the people of Battersea.

    I will continue to support Keir Starmer from the backbenches."

    About as believable as the dog ate my USB stick with my course work.

  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    This!!!!


    Andrew Lilico
    @andrew_lilico
    ·
    1h
    Just for everyone still saying on TV interviews or in other parts of the media that "Cases are rising", here's a graph of what cases in England are *actually* doing. That bit where they're lower on the right than to the left: that means they're falling. I hope this clears that up

    There was an epic episode from one or more posters on here the other day when they claimed cases were rising to record levels, when they were in fact falling at that time. That said, the very same poster(s) predicted 100,000 cases 'next week' in the middle of July, insisted that pubs wouldn't be allowed to open outside on 12 April because it wasn't viable, and continue to make hysterical and inaccurate hyperbolic comments, seemingly for their own warped entertainment.

    So it's not just the media – there's a lot of luxuriating in doom about.

    It's a very popular pastime.
    Dont forget Sir Keir's prophecies of doom regarding the 'Johnson Variant' and the summer of chaos in the NHS that would result from lifting restrictions
  • Dr Doom and Gloom on the slides...winter is coming.....
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,164

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Mr. Boy, ah, I just about remember those indicative votes.

    Though worth noting Labour did thrice vote against May's softer deal. Then bemoaned the obvious consequence of a more anti-EU PM coming in.

    Edited extra bit: Incidentally, like Socrates at the market I decided not to buy something I didn't need. This is entirely because of my iron discipline, and not because I'm enjoying Dragon Age: Origins so much that any PS5 game would be a downward step.

    May's deal was just Johnson's deal with a more workable solution for the Irish border and worse PR.
    I am exaggerating, but as the bitterest of Remoaners I don't look back longingly at May's Brexit deal as some kind of lost soft Brexit nirvana, believe me. In fact I prefer the current deal as its idiocy is likely to manifest itself more quickly, as is indeed happening.
    For me an upside of the alternative reality in which May's deal passed is that Boris Johnson would probably not be the Prime Minister. This is what Brexit, as it panned out, has delivered to us - him. It's not a benefit. Indeed it's the very opposite and it would take some quite stonking gains to balance the books.
    I think Boris Johnson as PM had a kind of historical inevitability about it. A country that still instinctively doffs its cap to a posho and has had such a charmed life that it thinks you can elect a joker like him and suffer no consequences was bound to end up with him in charge sooner or later. He is the leader we deserve.
    It’s sad, it really is. Such a sad sad situation. And despite recent glimmers in the polls I can see it getting more and more sad. Johnson is an arch surfer of class deference in pursuit of power and gratification and it’s this, not some exceptional “comic gift”, which has driven his rise to a position for which he hasn’t the slightest aptitude. He must be laughing his socks off at us. This is why I hate him. It’s not because he’s a Tory, I’ve lived most of my life under Tory PMs and haven’t felt this way about any of them. It’s not because of Brexit either. That was a shock, the Leave win, but I soon got my head around it. Just means we leave the EU. I remember the ballot paper well and there was no box to tick asking “Is it ok by you if the country is run by a vacuous poshboy?”
    You do understand that his ability to infuriate people like you, as we see here, is one reason people like me vote for him?

    You started this culture war, this is what happens in a war. Own it
    If one thing driving the politics of people like you is infuriating people like me, this confirms the views held by people like me about people like you.
    Yep, we hate you. We really do. It's not fake. It's actual, high-octane hatred
    I wonder if this high-octane hatred could somehow be channeled into meeting our energy needs? It sounds like it's a limitless, carbon-neutral power source.
    Depends - I think brother Leon may have a propensity for rear-end perorations 'methaneks' it may be the wrong kind of gas!
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,479
    edited September 2021
    isam said:

    This!!!!


    Andrew Lilico
    @andrew_lilico
    ·
    1h
    Just for everyone still saying on TV interviews or in other parts of the media that "Cases are rising", here's a graph of what cases in England are *actually* doing. That bit where they're lower on the right than to the left: that means they're falling. I hope this clears that up

    There was an epic episode from one or more posters on here the other day when they claimed cases were rising to record levels, when they were in fact falling at that time. That said, the very same poster(s) predicted 100,000 cases 'next week' in the middle of July, insisted that pubs wouldn't be allowed to open outside on 12 April because it wasn't viable, and continue to make hysterical and inaccurate hyperbolic comments, seemingly for their own warped entertainment.

    So it's not just the media – there's a lot of luxuriating in doom about.

    It's a very popular pastime.
    Dont forget Sir Keir's prophecies of doom regarding the 'Johnson Variant' and the summer of chaos in the NHS that would result from lifting restrictions
    Agreed. No dressing that up – Keir was badly wrong. Not a good look at all, and I was furious about it at the time.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,178
    One interesting point I noted about cases when schools reopened was that even though the raw number was heading up, the cases were going up by less than the testing.
    Wondered if at the time if it was a straw in the wind, which it's happily looking like rather than the red herring it might have been.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,479

    Dr Doom and Gloom on the slides...winter is coming.....


    Well the slides were very positive – the vaccination slides pretty much make the whole case that this thing is being hammered by the drugs.
  • I am not sure there is any point to these press conferences now.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,344

    This!!!!


    Andrew Lilico
    @andrew_lilico
    ·
    1h
    Just for everyone still saying on TV interviews or in other parts of the media that "Cases are rising", here's a graph of what cases in England are *actually* doing. That bit where they're lower on the right than to the left: that means they're falling. I hope this clears that up

    There was an epic episode from one or more posters on here the other day when they claimed cases were rising to record levels, when they were in fact falling at that time. That said, the very same poster(s) predicted 100,000 cases 'next week' in the middle of July, insisted that pubs wouldn't be allowed to open outside on 12 April because it wasn't viable, and continue to make hysterical and inaccurate hyperbolic comments, seemingly for their own warped entertainment.

    So it's not just the media – there's a lot of luxuriating in doom about.

    It's a very popular pastime.
    I do think there are people who really wish there were 100,000 + cases a day, just so Boris Johnson could get the blame for them.

    It's like some American I read about, who waited until after 6th January to get hospital treatment for Covid so that "my death's on Biden."
  • .
    Selebian said:

    Exclusive: Prince Andrew's accuser, & Ghislaine Maxwell's most outspoken accuser, Virginia Giuffre, has NOT been chosen by the legal team to testify against Maxwell in the upcoming trial.

    It follows over 100 inconsistencies & fabrications being found in her numerous claims...


    https://twitter.com/Jay_Beecher/status/1437770802737422348?s=20

    See that's so misleading.

    Victims of sexual assault, particularly younger victims, have inconsistencies simply because they repress traumatic things.

    Things like dates/times/locations/clothes worn etc get mixed up.

    This becomes a larger issue for those who are the victim of repeated attacks.
    There was a Netflix drama, Unbelievable, which was quite instructive in that regard (that even with details taken shortly after the attack). Based - I don't know how faithfully - on true events.
    Based on studies.

    My friend has been involved in a few of these cases, as a barrister.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,479
    Boris has just referred to Kirstie from Leeds as Covid (from Leeds).

    LOL!
  • Ironically my sons RNLI pager has just gone off

  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,399
    "Jabs, jabs, jabs into jobs, jobs, jobs".
    Is anyone else fed up of this kind of meaningless bollocks?
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,174
    dixiedean said:

    "Jabs, jabs, jabs into jobs, jobs, jobs".
    Is anyone else fed up of this kind of meaningless bollocks?

    Education, education, education.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited September 2021
    Sean_F said:

    This!!!!


    Andrew Lilico
    @andrew_lilico
    ·
    1h
    Just for everyone still saying on TV interviews or in other parts of the media that "Cases are rising", here's a graph of what cases in England are *actually* doing. That bit where they're lower on the right than to the left: that means they're falling. I hope this clears that up

    There was an epic episode from one or more posters on here the other day when they claimed cases were rising to record levels, when they were in fact falling at that time. That said, the very same poster(s) predicted 100,000 cases 'next week' in the middle of July, insisted that pubs wouldn't be allowed to open outside on 12 April because it wasn't viable, and continue to make hysterical and inaccurate hyperbolic comments, seemingly for their own warped entertainment.

    So it's not just the media – there's a lot of luxuriating in doom about.

    It's a very popular pastime.
    I do think there are people who really wish there were 100,000 + cases a day, just so Boris Johnson could get the blame for them.

    It's like some American I read about, who waited until after 6th January to get hospital treatment for Covid so that "my death's on Biden."
    Of course there were - now they bang on about empty shelves instead.It's easy to moan, moan, moan when you don't have to admit you got it wrong and can just move on to the next one
  • Very brave of Boris to be doing this presser. To have had Javid do it instead would be completely understandable today.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,174
    ping said:

    tlg86 said:

    Javier Blas
    @JavierBlas
    ·
    44m
    Well, that aged rather well.
    @Ofgem reports another two more UK power/gas retailers have just collapsed with a combined clientele of ~570,000 homes. And again, they would not be the last ones. Buy floating, selling fixed is not a very good business model right now

    F***sake. I'm with UP and have been for a few years. I thought they were solid and renewed on a decent 18 month deal just three months ago. Now I'll get lumped on a terrible deal.
    I thought they had an industry agreement that meant “sold” customers are kept on the same tariff until it naturally expired.

    I might be wrong tho
    I've had this happen to me before - maybe five/six years ago - and I'm pretty sure that I had to start again.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,307
    DavidL said:

    Cyclefree said:

    DavidL said:

    Rejoice.

    Dame Cressida Dick jokes that when @metpoliceuk celebrates its 200th anniversary in 2029 “it absolutely won’t be me” as Met Police Commissioner addressing #supersconference … So, no more contract renewals after 2024?

    https://twitter.com/DannyShawNews/status/1437751388981846016

    Truly a shameful and shocking decision to give her any extension.
    Yes. She should have been sacked.

    Failing upwards - the one thing the British establishment absolutely aces.
    I honestly do not understand how anyone can think rewarding behaviour like that is going to improve standards or encourage those who genuinely want to do better.
    That's because you and I think that standards ought to be improved and those who are good at their job should be encouraged. But we are - sadly - mugs for thinking like that. That is not what this is about. As @Malmesbury put it, this is about incompetents protecting each other.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,178

    I am not sure there is any point to these press conferences now.

    Are they announcing boosters for the over 50s ?

    Are they just going to skip over the JCVI that seems to wet itself whenever more vaccinations are proposed ?
  • 5m unvaxxed says Sir Patrick.

    Jeez...
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,399
    tlg86 said:

    dixiedean said:

    "Jabs, jabs, jabs into jobs, jobs, jobs".
    Is anyone else fed up of this kind of meaningless bollocks?

    Education, education, education.
    That was another. At least that had the benefit of sounding fresh. As it was more than 25 years ago.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 13,773

    isam said:

    This!!!!


    Andrew Lilico
    @andrew_lilico
    ·
    1h
    Just for everyone still saying on TV interviews or in other parts of the media that "Cases are rising", here's a graph of what cases in England are *actually* doing. That bit where they're lower on the right than to the left: that means they're falling. I hope this clears that up

    There was an epic episode from one or more posters on here the other day when they claimed cases were rising to record levels, when they were in fact falling at that time. That said, the very same poster(s) predicted 100,000 cases 'next week' in the middle of July, insisted that pubs wouldn't be allowed to open outside on 12 April because it wasn't viable, and continue to make hysterical and inaccurate hyperbolic comments, seemingly for their own warped entertainment.

    So it's not just the media – there's a lot of luxuriating in doom about.

    It's a very popular pastime.
    Dont forget Sir Keir's prophecies of doom regarding the 'Johnson Variant' and the summer of chaos in the NHS that would result from lifting restrictions
    Agreed. No dressing that up – Keir was badly wrong. Not a good look at all, and I was furious about it at the time.
    Yes, if Keir had been in charge we'd still be locked down now. And now cases are dropping, he'd be saying it's down to lockdown. Peston-like levels of sagacity.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,479
    Here's PESTON!!
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,978
    edited September 2021

    5m unvaxxed says Sir Patrick.

    Jeez...

    Chris Whitty tells Downing St press conference: "We really must encourage everyone we know to get vaccinated." Points out most unjabbed are not anti-vaxxer, they just haven't got round to it.

    Bullllllllshitttttttt.......nobody is that busy not to find 15 mins to get jabbed over many many months.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,952
    This is the kind of email I like receiving. From a wine merchant just this moment pushing a particular wine:

    "The perfect accompaniment for a roast guinea fowl and braised cavolo nero. Alternatively, serve with a creamy mushroom risotto."

    What is a cavolo nero and do you need a licence to keep one?
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