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    kinabalu said:

    Mr. Boy, ah, I just about remember those indicative votes.

    Though worth noting Labour did thrice vote against May's softer deal. Then bemoaned the obvious consequence of a more anti-EU PM coming in.

    Edited extra bit: Incidentally, like Socrates at the market I decided not to buy something I didn't need. This is entirely because of my iron discipline, and not because I'm enjoying Dragon Age: Origins so much that any PS5 game would be a downward step.

    May's deal was just Johnson's deal with a more workable solution for the Irish border and worse PR.
    I am exaggerating, but as the bitterest of Remoaners I don't look back longingly at May's Brexit deal as some kind of lost soft Brexit nirvana, believe me. In fact I prefer the current deal as its idiocy is likely to manifest itself more quickly, as is indeed happening.
    For me an upside of the alternative reality in which May's deal passed is that Boris Johnson would probably not be the Prime Minister. This is what Brexit, as it panned out, has delivered to us - him. It's not a benefit. Indeed it's the very opposite and it would take some quite stonking gains to balance the books.
    I think Boris Johnson as PM had a kind of historical inevitability about it. A country that still instinctively doffs its cap to a posho and has had such a charmed life that it thinks you can elect a joker like him and suffer no consequences was bound to end up with him in charge sooner or later. He is the leader we deserve.
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    CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 39,750
    Farooq said:

    Pulpstar said:

    HYUFD said:

    Mr. HYUFD, while I share little in common with Mr. Pioneers politically, people are entitled to change their views. And, I'd add, the lack of an actual prospectus for Leave did mean voters of various differing preferences could've backed it despite their views being mutually exclusive.

    Nonetheless it was extremely naive of him to think he could vote Leave reliant on the votes of working class Leavers opposed to FOM from the EEA to get over 50% and then if Leave won completely ignore them and the reason they voted Leave in the first place!
    Freedom of movement was the reason leave won. How am I ignoring them? I am pointing to the hypocrisy of people like Javid who parade how their migrant dad was a bus driver whilst slamming the door shut on this generation's migrant dad drivers. Especially as we're well short of them right now.
    You might regret your vote to leave, but there's insufficient leavers like yourself to really change anything now.
    Perhaps you'll get another chance to vote to join EEA or whatever in 40 years or so.
    Right here and now that isn't needed. What is needed is for us to decide what we want. Do we want to be a 3rd country with the EU? In which case get the fuck on with building Border Control Points, recruiting customs staff, building the IT system. So that the deal we negotiated can be implemented evenly.

    Or if we don't think trade barriers are a good thing (hence our refusal to implement most of it on our side) then lets agree the alignment deal so that we can get back to trading freely.

    Instead we have this stupid limbo where we negotiate a deal to make trade more difficult and expensive and then only impose it on ourselves. Its a reverse trade sanction, applied by the UK on the UK.
    Why such a simple-minded binary choice?

    What about if we want to be a 3rd country but without Border Control Points?
    Because that would be idiotic?
    Why?

    Seems like a good idea to me.
    MFN rules mean you'd have to extend it to everyone, then explain your choice to the grieving mother who gave her kid adulterated imported Chinese baby milk.
    No they don't.

    We're an independent nation, we can choose what checks we want to do and what we don't want to do.

    If we're choosing not to do checks with Europe whom we have a trade deal with (as we already are) that doesn't preclude us doing checks with China whom we don't have a deal with.
    Substance over form applies on this.

    So we'd be facing remediation action from other nations.

    Now I'm going to go out on a limb and trust some legal experts and trade experts who have written reports on this, including for my firm, than you on this.
    Remediation action like the dispute over Boeing that dragged on for two decades in the WTO?

    That's pretty meaningless in the round. There have always been remediation actions facing nations like the EU and the USA and why should we be terrified of facing the same and dragging it on for as long as suits our interests?
    You're like an incel virgin telling porn stars what to do in their films.
    No I'm like a real-world adult saying that not everything has to mirror a porn film.

    Potentially having disputes in the WTO is not the end of the world. To be frank we've always been a party to WTO disputes for decades now, so why should that be any different in the future?
    Because in the grand scheme of things they are low level, your scenario will involve us annoying several whole continents in one go.

    As in the report we received it is likely our application for the Pacific free trade area/other trade deals could be stalled by other countries until we resolve that MFN issue.
    We're already doing what I proposed and was assured by you was impossible. Which parties have launched a dispute?

    Considering that my proposal is what I was proposing years ago and is now actually happening it seems those headless chickens running scared of the big bad wolf of WTO are the incels.
    How would a headless chicken even know there was a big bad wolf nearby?
    I was going to draw your attention to the secondary neural nexus in the hip area and tried to find a pic for you but googling Pelvic Nexus is definitely NSFW. The things one learns.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,897
    MattW said:

    Scott_xP said:

    MattW said:

    Which hard parts of the driving test are proposed to be scrapped, exactly?

    Reversing

    Second, tests will also be made shorter by removing the ‘reversing exercise’ element – and for vehicles with trailers, the ‘uncoupling and recoupling’ exercise – and having it tested separately by a third party.

    So - moved to a third-party site, as in the consultation doc - not removed from tests done by truck drivers.
    The third party will, for the larger operators anyway, probably be the fleet manager under instruction from their insurance company!
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    FarooqFarooq Posts: 10,775

    HYUFD said:


    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    isam said:



    The amazing thing about Emma speaking fluent Mandarin is what it represents. This is a new image of Britain forming right before our eyes. Multicultural. Multilingual. Confident. Winning.
    Raducanu has done for diversity what Rashford did for community. So, so good.

    That’s why people who hate Boris are trying to emphasise her Romanian-ness. This can’t be allowed to reflect well on the government. It probably will though, it’s hard to make the case that immigrants are despised when the nation are cheering them
    She identifies as British and was born on Canada.

    Unless she self-identifies as Romanian, anyone who calls her that is being racist.

    Its no different to saying that Priti Patel is Ugandan.
    There's a weird assumption amongst some on the Left that British identity must be somehow based on racial purity.

    It says more about them than anyone else.
    It’s also repugnant. ‘She’s not really British’. You what? We’ve just spent 50 fucking years learning (rightly) that anyone who legally migrates here is British. End of. That’s it. Race is irrelevant

    This is a victory for the progressive left and I salute it. Emma R is an outstanding example of how this can work so well.

    Now the same progressives say ‘nah she’s not *really* British look at her racial background’, just because they hate Brexit. Fuck them
    Its the opposite. The right bang on about ethnicity and nationalism and race.

    The reason why her migrant status and ethnic background are being raised by progressives is to show the hypocrisy of the people who openly voted to get rid of the Romanians and now cheer one.

    And before anyone says "managed migration policy" I don't hear knuckle-draggers demanding the right kind of Romanians be allowed in. They just want them gone.

    What she demonstrates is that you can be a migrant and naturalise. She is British because she chooses to be. That is a good thing. Yet other people who may also have the same skills and potential are shut out. They don't get the choice.

    And its the same with the hypocrites in the cabinet. Javid makes a great deal of being the son of a bus driver, whilst ensuring that future sons of bus drivers are banned from having the same opportunities he had.
    This is all in your head.
    Indeed. Rochdale is fighting some caricature of ‘right wing belief’ which is all in his mind. Literally delusional.

    It reminds me of Remoaners who think Brexiteers are all dim, 60-something empire nostalgics who want to reinvade Kenya and bring back Bakelite phones. I’ve never met a single Brexiteer - or Leave voter - who thinks like that. Yet that is the demon in the brains of your A C Graylings

    It’s partly why - against the odds - Remain lost. They conjured up a demonic opponent who made them feel morally superior - and smarter. But that wasn’t their actual opponent

    Absolutely. I've made it all up. Nobody voted Brexit to get rid of the foreigners in their midst. All those TV and radio vox pops and phone ins where people say that didn't happen. That Farage "Breaking Point" poster is a figment of my deranged imagination.
    Given that you are a Brexiteer who voted to LEAVE, an eternal period of silence from you on this issue would be welcome.
    Rochdale voted LEAVE??!

    Oh my sides. Lol
    Yes. It's a daily exhibition of extreme hypocrisy.
    I don't remember being asked if I was supporting today's one sided trading arrangements.

    Do have to laugh though. I am a leave voter saying "this is shit". Telling me to shut up doesn't miraculously make it not shit.

    Can anyone please tell me how the current massive cost only on UK exports and minimal restrictions on EU imports is a Good Thing? And if it isn't a good thing then how does my long-regretted vote not for this impact the reality?

    Someone said we have a "zero tariff" trade deal. Do we Buxton, there's a long list of payable tariffs and a whole industry of paperwork and checks to manage them.
    Don't blame me or come crying to me old bean.

    I voted REMAIN.

    At least most Leavers on here have the courage of their convictions.
    Lol - I wanted to leave the European Union. We were never going to agree their direction of travel on integration. Which means at some point or other we were either going to step out to the outer ring of the "twin track" / "two speed" Europe in our own time, or be put there in theirs.

    Having done that the question is what we do now. And we've chosen to demand the EU treat us like a 3rd country and thus fuck exports whilst failing to reciprocate. Not even by policy, by being shit. We haven't invested in facilities or computer systems or the people to the checks we demanded.

    How does me voting leave mean I have no say on this shitfest? In what way is this non-reciprocal trade fuck a direct non-negotiable outcome of leaving the EU?
    So, you're still a Leaver but you think all Leavers are morons?

    Wouldn't it be easier just to argue for EEA-EFTA plus CU rather than the James O'Brien tribute act?
    I DID argue for that. We aren't getting that so move on and make a trade deal that works.
    Why vote Leave then if you want to stay in the EEA and CU and don't want to end free movement and don't want us to do our own trade deals?

    At least in the EU we had a vote, EEA + CU means no real powers reclaimed and no vote
    How about because what you want and think isn't what everyone wants and thinks?

    The EEA is not the EU. The CU is not the EU. Membership of those is not the same as membership of the EU as demonstrated by the states who are not EU members who have EEA membership or customs unions with the EU.

    Also, what are you on about with free movement? We could have deported Eu vagrants whilst still a member. That we chose not to do so was our own fault not theirs. It is the right to live and work, not to be a burden.
    You seem to calibrate your political positions based on maximising your level of self-righteousness over your peers.
    You your calibrate over seem your positions on to maximising self-righteousness your political of peers level based
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    over You seem political to maximising level positions self-righteousness peers based your your on of calibrate your
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    You seem to calibrate your political positions based on maximising your level of self-righteousness over your peers.
    nope

    to maximising your self-righteousness seem peers positions on calibrate your based You political over of your level
    nope

    I give up, I can't arrange that into any order that makes sense.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,435
    edited September 2021

    Mr. Eagles, I stand corrected.

    Mr. Pioneers, a lot of disgruntlement with the EU was down to pro-EU politicians using it as a convenient scapegoat, as if people wouldn't remember or think of the EU that way.

    It still baffles me just how bad the referendum campaigns were.

    As ever, I have to keep on educating you on so many things.
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    Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 32,952
    MattW said:

    So - moved to a third-party site, as in the consultation doc - not removed from the testing process.

    Which part of tests "will also be made shorter" confused you
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    MattWMattW Posts: 18,546
    ping said:

    Cutting universal credit by £1k/year at the same time that energy prices have shot up by ~£500/yr (and rising) is, umm, a bit crappy of the govt.

    Come on. Don’t be shits.

    Where does this £500 'energy price rise' figure come from, please?
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    IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    Carnyx said:

    Farooq said:

    Pulpstar said:

    HYUFD said:

    Mr. HYUFD, while I share little in common with Mr. Pioneers politically, people are entitled to change their views. And, I'd add, the lack of an actual prospectus for Leave did mean voters of various differing preferences could've backed it despite their views being mutually exclusive.

    Nonetheless it was extremely naive of him to think he could vote Leave reliant on the votes of working class Leavers opposed to FOM from the EEA to get over 50% and then if Leave won completely ignore them and the reason they voted Leave in the first place!
    Freedom of movement was the reason leave won. How am I ignoring them? I am pointing to the hypocrisy of people like Javid who parade how their migrant dad was a bus driver whilst slamming the door shut on this generation's migrant dad drivers. Especially as we're well short of them right now.
    You might regret your vote to leave, but there's insufficient leavers like yourself to really change anything now.
    Perhaps you'll get another chance to vote to join EEA or whatever in 40 years or so.
    Right here and now that isn't needed. What is needed is for us to decide what we want. Do we want to be a 3rd country with the EU? In which case get the fuck on with building Border Control Points, recruiting customs staff, building the IT system. So that the deal we negotiated can be implemented evenly.

    Or if we don't think trade barriers are a good thing (hence our refusal to implement most of it on our side) then lets agree the alignment deal so that we can get back to trading freely.

    Instead we have this stupid limbo where we negotiate a deal to make trade more difficult and expensive and then only impose it on ourselves. Its a reverse trade sanction, applied by the UK on the UK.
    Why such a simple-minded binary choice?

    What about if we want to be a 3rd country but without Border Control Points?
    Because that would be idiotic?
    Why?

    Seems like a good idea to me.
    MFN rules mean you'd have to extend it to everyone, then explain your choice to the grieving mother who gave her kid adulterated imported Chinese baby milk.
    No they don't.

    We're an independent nation, we can choose what checks we want to do and what we don't want to do.

    If we're choosing not to do checks with Europe whom we have a trade deal with (as we already are) that doesn't preclude us doing checks with China whom we don't have a deal with.
    Substance over form applies on this.

    So we'd be facing remediation action from other nations.

    Now I'm going to go out on a limb and trust some legal experts and trade experts who have written reports on this, including for my firm, than you on this.
    Remediation action like the dispute over Boeing that dragged on for two decades in the WTO?

    That's pretty meaningless in the round. There have always been remediation actions facing nations like the EU and the USA and why should we be terrified of facing the same and dragging it on for as long as suits our interests?
    You're like an incel virgin telling porn stars what to do in their films.
    No I'm like a real-world adult saying that not everything has to mirror a porn film.

    Potentially having disputes in the WTO is not the end of the world. To be frank we've always been a party to WTO disputes for decades now, so why should that be any different in the future?
    Because in the grand scheme of things they are low level, your scenario will involve us annoying several whole continents in one go.

    As in the report we received it is likely our application for the Pacific free trade area/other trade deals could be stalled by other countries until we resolve that MFN issue.
    We're already doing what I proposed and was assured by you was impossible. Which parties have launched a dispute?

    Considering that my proposal is what I was proposing years ago and is now actually happening it seems those headless chickens running scared of the big bad wolf of WTO are the incels.
    How would a headless chicken even know there was a big bad wolf nearby?
    I was going to draw your attention to the secondary neural nexus in the hip area and tried to find a pic for you but googling Pelvic Nexus is definitely NSFW. The things one learns.
    You think you've got problems. I had (not personally) my first foal a couple of months back, out in the field, and was trying to sex it via binoculars. I have an hours worth of image searches for the genitalia of underage horses on my phone.
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    Mr. Eagles, isn't 'incel virgin' a tautology?

    Mr. Ping, got to show just how green and virtuous the government is (not unique to this one, all of them to Blair at least have done it). Can't nasty coal and gas power. I mean, yes, they keep the lights on but, boo! Carbon!*

    Meanwhile, in China...

    *I've caricatured my position slightly. I do think most renewables have some promise. But wind is stupid because it's unpredictable, and we need sufficient capacity from coal/gas/nuclear to crank out what we need. And now we're paying through the nose because politicians want to parade their green credentials and can easily afford to do so. Cf boilers.


    AIUI, the main problem at the moment is a shortage of gas. So it's hard to see how increased reliance on gas would have helped us!
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    LeonLeon Posts: 47,195
    Farooq said:

    HYUFD said:


    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    isam said:



    The amazing thing about Emma speaking fluent Mandarin is what it represents. This is a new image of Britain forming right before our eyes. Multicultural. Multilingual. Confident. Winning.
    Raducanu has done for diversity what Rashford did for community. So, so good.

    That’s why people who hate Boris are trying to emphasise her Romanian-ness. This can’t be allowed to reflect well on the government. It probably will though, it’s hard to make the case that immigrants are despised when the nation are cheering them
    She identifies as British and was born on Canada.

    Unless she self-identifies as Romanian, anyone who calls her that is being racist.

    Its no different to saying that Priti Patel is Ugandan.
    There's a weird assumption amongst some on the Left that British identity must be somehow based on racial purity.

    It says more about them than anyone else.
    It’s also repugnant. ‘She’s not really British’. You what? We’ve just spent 50 fucking years learning (rightly) that anyone who legally migrates here is British. End of. That’s it. Race is irrelevant

    This is a victory for the progressive left and I salute it. Emma R is an outstanding example of how this can work so well.

    Now the same progressives say ‘nah she’s not *really* British look at her racial background’, just because they hate Brexit. Fuck them
    Its the opposite. The right bang on about ethnicity and nationalism and race.

    The reason why her migrant status and ethnic background are being raised by progressives is to show the hypocrisy of the people who openly voted to get rid of the Romanians and now cheer one.

    And before anyone says "managed migration policy" I don't hear knuckle-draggers demanding the right kind of Romanians be allowed in. They just want them gone.

    What she demonstrates is that you can be a migrant and naturalise. She is British because she chooses to be. That is a good thing. Yet other people who may also have the same skills and potential are shut out. They don't get the choice.

    And its the same with the hypocrites in the cabinet. Javid makes a great deal of being the son of a bus driver, whilst ensuring that future sons of bus drivers are banned from having the same opportunities he had.
    This is all in your head.
    Indeed. Rochdale is fighting some caricature of ‘right wing belief’ which is all in his mind. Literally delusional.

    It reminds me of Remoaners who think Brexiteers are all dim, 60-something empire nostalgics who want to reinvade Kenya and bring back Bakelite phones. I’ve never met a single Brexiteer - or Leave voter - who thinks like that. Yet that is the demon in the brains of your A C Graylings

    It’s partly why - against the odds - Remain lost. They conjured up a demonic opponent who made them feel morally superior - and smarter. But that wasn’t their actual opponent

    Absolutely. I've made it all up. Nobody voted Brexit to get rid of the foreigners in their midst. All those TV and radio vox pops and phone ins where people say that didn't happen. That Farage "Breaking Point" poster is a figment of my deranged imagination.
    Given that you are a Brexiteer who voted to LEAVE, an eternal period of silence from you on this issue would be welcome.
    Rochdale voted LEAVE??!

    Oh my sides. Lol
    Yes. It's a daily exhibition of extreme hypocrisy.
    I don't remember being asked if I was supporting today's one sided trading arrangements.

    Do have to laugh though. I am a leave voter saying "this is shit". Telling me to shut up doesn't miraculously make it not shit.

    Can anyone please tell me how the current massive cost only on UK exports and minimal restrictions on EU imports is a Good Thing? And if it isn't a good thing then how does my long-regretted vote not for this impact the reality?

    Someone said we have a "zero tariff" trade deal. Do we Buxton, there's a long list of payable tariffs and a whole industry of paperwork and checks to manage them.
    Don't blame me or come crying to me old bean.

    I voted REMAIN.

    At least most Leavers on here have the courage of their convictions.
    Lol - I wanted to leave the European Union. We were never going to agree their direction of travel on integration. Which means at some point or other we were either going to step out to the outer ring of the "twin track" / "two speed" Europe in our own time, or be put there in theirs.

    Having done that the question is what we do now. And we've chosen to demand the EU treat us like a 3rd country and thus fuck exports whilst failing to reciprocate. Not even by policy, by being shit. We haven't invested in facilities or computer systems or the people to the checks we demanded.

    How does me voting leave mean I have no say on this shitfest? In what way is this non-reciprocal trade fuck a direct non-negotiable outcome of leaving the EU?
    So, you're still a Leaver but you think all Leavers are morons?

    Wouldn't it be easier just to argue for EEA-EFTA plus CU rather than the James O'Brien tribute act?
    I DID argue for that. We aren't getting that so move on and make a trade deal that works.
    Why vote Leave then if you want to stay in the EEA and CU and don't want to end free movement and don't want us to do our own trade deals?

    At least in the EU we had a vote, EEA + CU means no real powers reclaimed and no vote
    How about because what you want and think isn't what everyone wants and thinks?

    The EEA is not the EU. The CU is not the EU. Membership of those is not the same as membership of the EU as demonstrated by the states who are not EU members who have EEA membership or customs unions with the EU.

    Also, what are you on about with free movement? We could have deported Eu vagrants whilst still a member. That we chose not to do so was our own fault not theirs. It is the right to live and work, not to be a burden.
    You seem to calibrate your political positions based on maximising your level of self-righteousness over your peers.
    You your calibrate over seem your positions on to maximising self-righteousness your political of peers level based
    nope

    over You seem political to maximising level positions self-righteousness peers based your your on of calibrate your
    nope

    You seem to calibrate your political positions based on maximising your level of self-righteousness over your peers.
    nope

    to maximising your self-righteousness seem peers positions on calibrate your based You political over of your level
    nope

    I give up, I can't arrange that into any order that makes sense.
    Er, it’s not hard

    willianglenn is saying, in a mildly lyrical way:

    ‘You adjust your political opinions so they always make you feel superior’

    To put it with even more brevity:

    ‘You are a lefty’
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    SelebianSelebian Posts: 7,442

    Mr. Eagles, isn't 'incel virgin' a tautology?

    Mr. Ping, got to show just how green and virtuous the government is (not unique to this one, all of them to Blair at least have done it). Can't nasty coal and gas power. I mean, yes, they keep the lights on but, boo! Carbon!*

    Meanwhile, in China...

    *I've caricatured my position slightly. I do think most renewables have some promise. But wind is stupid because it's unpredictable, and we need sufficient capacity from coal/gas/nuclear to crank out what we need. And now we're paying through the nose because politicians want to parade their green credentials and can easily afford to do so. Cf boilers.

    Isn't the problem mostly wholesale gas (and coal?) prices? So having maintained more gas/coal capacity would not be helpful on prices, particularly?

    So, if we had a lower renewable mix, then we'd be paying even more? Conversely, if there had been a bit more wind (or, indeed, wind capacity), let alone somethng more reliable like tidal, then the current price hikes would not be so severe?

    Nuclear, I'll give you (depending on uranium prices). And I'm happy to be corrected on the above if my view is oversimplistic.
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    Scott_xP said:

    MattW said:

    So - moved to a third-party site, as in the consultation doc - not removed from the testing process.

    Which part of tests "will also be made shorter" confused you
    If a third party does an element of a test, in order to make the primary test shorter, how is that problematic?

    Recruitment is often done in multiple phases, you don't do all pre-employment checks and tests within the interview itself, nor even only have one interview alone potentially.

    I see no harm in parts of a test being done separately if it makes the whole system smoother and quicker.
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    pingping Posts: 3,731
    edited September 2021
    MattW said:

    ping said:

    Cutting universal credit by £1k/year at the same time that energy prices have shot up by ~£500/yr (and rising) is, umm, a bit crappy of the govt.

    Come on. Don’t be shits.

    Where does this £500 'energy price rise' figure come from, please?
    “last year the cheapest fixes for those with typical use were in the £700s, now few are below £1,200/yr.”

    Martin Lewis, link upthread.
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    MattWMattW Posts: 18,546
    Scott_xP said:

    MattW said:

    So - moved to a third-party site, as in the consultation doc - not removed from the testing process.

    Which part of tests "will also be made shorter" confused you
    Any reality in your allegation that it would be "scrapped".
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    Farooq said:

    HYUFD said:


    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    isam said:



    The amazing thing about Emma speaking fluent Mandarin is what it represents. This is a new image of Britain forming right before our eyes. Multicultural. Multilingual. Confident. Winning.
    Raducanu has done for diversity what Rashford did for community. So, so good.

    That’s why people who hate Boris are trying to emphasise her Romanian-ness. This can’t be allowed to reflect well on the government. It probably will though, it’s hard to make the case that immigrants are despised when the nation are cheering them
    She identifies as British and was born on Canada.

    Unless she self-identifies as Romanian, anyone who calls her that is being racist.

    Its no different to saying that Priti Patel is Ugandan.
    There's a weird assumption amongst some on the Left that British identity must be somehow based on racial purity.

    It says more about them than anyone else.
    It’s also repugnant. ‘She’s not really British’. You what? We’ve just spent 50 fucking years learning (rightly) that anyone who legally migrates here is British. End of. That’s it. Race is irrelevant

    This is a victory for the progressive left and I salute it. Emma R is an outstanding example of how this can work so well.

    Now the same progressives say ‘nah she’s not *really* British look at her racial background’, just because they hate Brexit. Fuck them
    Its the opposite. The right bang on about ethnicity and nationalism and race.

    The reason why her migrant status and ethnic background are being raised by progressives is to show the hypocrisy of the people who openly voted to get rid of the Romanians and now cheer one.

    And before anyone says "managed migration policy" I don't hear knuckle-draggers demanding the right kind of Romanians be allowed in. They just want them gone.

    What she demonstrates is that you can be a migrant and naturalise. She is British because she chooses to be. That is a good thing. Yet other people who may also have the same skills and potential are shut out. They don't get the choice.

    And its the same with the hypocrites in the cabinet. Javid makes a great deal of being the son of a bus driver, whilst ensuring that future sons of bus drivers are banned from having the same opportunities he had.
    This is all in your head.
    Indeed. Rochdale is fighting some caricature of ‘right wing belief’ which is all in his mind. Literally delusional.

    It reminds me of Remoaners who think Brexiteers are all dim, 60-something empire nostalgics who want to reinvade Kenya and bring back Bakelite phones. I’ve never met a single Brexiteer - or Leave voter - who thinks like that. Yet that is the demon in the brains of your A C Graylings

    It’s partly why - against the odds - Remain lost. They conjured up a demonic opponent who made them feel morally superior - and smarter. But that wasn’t their actual opponent

    Absolutely. I've made it all up. Nobody voted Brexit to get rid of the foreigners in their midst. All those TV and radio vox pops and phone ins where people say that didn't happen. That Farage "Breaking Point" poster is a figment of my deranged imagination.
    Given that you are a Brexiteer who voted to LEAVE, an eternal period of silence from you on this issue would be welcome.
    Rochdale voted LEAVE??!

    Oh my sides. Lol
    Yes. It's a daily exhibition of extreme hypocrisy.
    I don't remember being asked if I was supporting today's one sided trading arrangements.

    Do have to laugh though. I am a leave voter saying "this is shit". Telling me to shut up doesn't miraculously make it not shit.

    Can anyone please tell me how the current massive cost only on UK exports and minimal restrictions on EU imports is a Good Thing? And if it isn't a good thing then how does my long-regretted vote not for this impact the reality?

    Someone said we have a "zero tariff" trade deal. Do we Buxton, there's a long list of payable tariffs and a whole industry of paperwork and checks to manage them.
    Don't blame me or come crying to me old bean.

    I voted REMAIN.

    At least most Leavers on here have the courage of their convictions.
    Lol - I wanted to leave the European Union. We were never going to agree their direction of travel on integration. Which means at some point or other we were either going to step out to the outer ring of the "twin track" / "two speed" Europe in our own time, or be put there in theirs.

    Having done that the question is what we do now. And we've chosen to demand the EU treat us like a 3rd country and thus fuck exports whilst failing to reciprocate. Not even by policy, by being shit. We haven't invested in facilities or computer systems or the people to the checks we demanded.

    How does me voting leave mean I have no say on this shitfest? In what way is this non-reciprocal trade fuck a direct non-negotiable outcome of leaving the EU?
    So, you're still a Leaver but you think all Leavers are morons?

    Wouldn't it be easier just to argue for EEA-EFTA plus CU rather than the James O'Brien tribute act?
    I DID argue for that. We aren't getting that so move on and make a trade deal that works.
    Why vote Leave then if you want to stay in the EEA and CU and don't want to end free movement and don't want us to do our own trade deals?

    At least in the EU we had a vote, EEA + CU means no real powers reclaimed and no vote
    How about because what you want and think isn't what everyone wants and thinks?

    The EEA is not the EU. The CU is not the EU. Membership of those is not the same as membership of the EU as demonstrated by the states who are not EU members who have EEA membership or customs unions with the EU.

    Also, what are you on about with free movement? We could have deported Eu vagrants whilst still a member. That we chose not to do so was our own fault not theirs. It is the right to live and work, not to be a burden.
    You seem to calibrate your political positions based on maximising your level of self-righteousness over your peers.
    You your calibrate over seem your positions on to maximising self-righteousness your political of peers level based
    nope

    over You seem political to maximising level positions self-righteousness peers based your your on of calibrate your
    nope

    You seem to calibrate your political positions based on maximising your level of self-righteousness over your peers.
    nope

    to maximising your self-righteousness seem peers positions on calibrate your based You political over of your level
    nope

    I give up, I can't arrange that into any order that makes sense.
    Forget the grammar. It was a simple recitation of the facts that wound him up.
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    MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 44,404

    DavidL said:

    I do agree with @RochdalePioneers that we have a major shortage of energy production in the UK. This is mainly because decisions in favour of power plants are rarely popular. I am as guilty of this as anyone being shocked at the deal for Hinckley Point. We need to get going on tidal barriers, offshore wind and even solar. And if that means fields covered in ugly looking panels so be it.

    Its the gross stupidity of both the decisions made and the communications of the deals that baffles. We are one of the nuclear pioneers yet we say no to UK investment into the technology and yes to paying a 100% markup to the Chinese government building Hinkley Point.

    There is and has been for decades a major problem with all governments refusing to plan long term and this is what we get. We need to invest heavily into green energy design and production. Fulfil the generation and local storage of green power and be a global leader in selling this to others. Or, focus on quarterly profits in the city and accept that we're always going to be reliant on others. Global Britain or not?
    A historical note - the cover up of Windscale was largely so that Admiral Rickover wouldn't find out how incompetently run the UK nuclear program had been run. Rickover was an early advocate of absolute safety being required in nuclear power and was rightly suspicious of the way that in the UK, the scientists had primacy over the engineers.
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    CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,205
    edited September 2021
    DavidL said:

    Rejoice.

    Dame Cressida Dick jokes that when @metpoliceuk celebrates its 200th anniversary in 2029 “it absolutely won’t be me” as Met Police Commissioner addressing #supersconference … So, no more contract renewals after 2024?

    https://twitter.com/DannyShawNews/status/1437751388981846016

    Truly a shameful and shocking decision to give her any extension.
    Yes. She should have been sacked.

    Failing upwards - the one thing the British establishment absolutely aces.
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    SelebianSelebian Posts: 7,442

    Mr. Boy, most Conservative MPs were for the EU.

    If other MPs did vote for the EEA then I stand corrected. Remiss of me not to know of a rare instance of pro-EU MPs voting in a pro-EU way rather than alongside anti-EU Conservative backbenchers.

    I am referring to the "indicative votes", as far as I am aware the only opportunity MPs had to vote for single market or customs union membership. As you will see below, Labour MPs voted overwhelmingly for these soft Brexit options, Tory MPs overwhelmingly opposed.

    https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/indicative-votes-2-0-where-did-support-lie/

    I'd be grateful if everyone took a look at this so we can put to bed the idea that a soft Brexit was blocked by Remainer MPs when in fact the opposite is true. We are all entitled to our own opinions, but not our own facts!
    Mostly agree with that, but LDs were part of the blocking of a soft Brexit. As were Labour when May offered a deal at the end of her reign. The amount of MPs I thought dealt with it all well is less than 10%.
    All May's deals were hard Brexit involving an end to free movement.
    I can't speak for the Lib Dems (a party whose sole achievement in the postwar era has been to enable a Tory government).
    You forget putting the country in a sustainable, equitable and good-value position with regard to tertiary education :wink:

    (And providing occasional by-election betting windfalls to OGH and others...)
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    MattWMattW Posts: 18,546
    Sandpit said:

    MattW said:

    Scott_xP said:

    MattW said:

    Which hard parts of the driving test are proposed to be scrapped, exactly?

    Reversing

    Second, tests will also be made shorter by removing the ‘reversing exercise’ element – and for vehicles with trailers, the ‘uncoupling and recoupling’ exercise – and having it tested separately by a third party.

    So - moved to a third-party site, as in the consultation doc - not removed from tests done by truck drivers.
    The third party will, for the larger operators anyway, probably be the fleet manager under instruction from their insurance company!
    And I wonder whether they will fail to do it thoroughly. :smile:
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    Scott_xP said:

    MattW said:

    So - moved to a third-party site, as in the consultation doc - not removed from the testing process.

    Which part of tests "will also be made shorter" confused you
    If a third party does an element of a test, in order to make the primary test shorter, how is that problematic?

    Recruitment is often done in multiple phases, you don't do all pre-employment checks and tests within the interview itself, nor even only have one interview alone potentially.

    I see no harm in parts of a test being done separately if it makes the whole system smoother and quicker.
    Providing the trainee driver is not passed out to drive until all are done. Not sure how this is quicker than now bit lets assume so. This *isn't* the proposal though - they want to cut the HGV test down ("how hard can it be") to get people passed to drive quicker and thus fill the holes in the labour pool.
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    FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 3,886
    Scott_xP said:

    Wholesale price of electricity was 35p a KWh yesterday.

    Yikes.

    This issue could explode this winter.

    ⚡⚡CRAZY POWER PRICES⚡⚡ UK day-ahead electricity prices climb further, much further, setting a fresh and eye-watering all-time high of £424 per MWh on the N2EX platform (up ~20% from yesterday's already record high). UK power prices tomorrow at 7-8pm will reach £2,500 per MWh https://twitter.com/JavierBlas/status/1437731422098366468/photo/1
    The £100 or so agreed per MWh at Hinkley might turn out to be cheap at this rate.
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    maaarshmaaarsh Posts: 3,391
    Scotland now joining the party, cases falling off a cliff for 2nd day in a row
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    Scott_xP said:

    Wholesale price of electricity was 35p a KWh yesterday.

    Yikes.

    This issue could explode this winter.

    ⚡⚡CRAZY POWER PRICES⚡⚡ UK day-ahead electricity prices climb further, much further, setting a fresh and eye-watering all-time high of £424 per MWh on the N2EX platform (up ~20% from yesterday's already record high). UK power prices tomorrow at 7-8pm will reach £2,500 per MWh https://twitter.com/JavierBlas/status/1437731422098366468/photo/1
    The £100 or so agreed per MWh at Hinkley might turn out to be cheap at this rate.
    Frack baby, Frack?
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,302
    Cyclefree said:

    DavidL said:

    Rejoice.

    Dame Cressida Dick jokes that when @metpoliceuk celebrates its 200th anniversary in 2029 “it absolutely won’t be me” as Met Police Commissioner addressing #supersconference … So, no more contract renewals after 2024?

    https://twitter.com/DannyShawNews/status/1437751388981846016

    Truly a shameful and shocking decision to give her any extension.
    Yes. She should have been sacked.

    Failing upwards - the one thing the British establishment absolutely aces.
    I honestly do not understand how anyone can think rewarding behaviour like that is going to improve standards or encourage those who genuinely want to do better.
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    maaarshmaaarsh Posts: 3,391

    Scott_xP said:

    MattW said:

    So - moved to a third-party site, as in the consultation doc - not removed from the testing process.

    Which part of tests "will also be made shorter" confused you
    If a third party does an element of a test, in order to make the primary test shorter, how is that problematic?

    Recruitment is often done in multiple phases, you don't do all pre-employment checks and tests within the interview itself, nor even only have one interview alone potentially.

    I see no harm in parts of a test being done separately if it makes the whole system smoother and quicker.
    Providing the trainee driver is not passed out to drive until all are done. Not sure how this is quicker than now bit lets assume so. This *isn't* the proposal though - they want to cut the HGV test down ("how hard can it be") to get people passed to drive quicker and thus fill the holes in the labour pool.
    We've handed out millions of GCSEs and A-levels on the basis of no exam at all, count your blessings they're not being sent out there gratis.
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    MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 44,404
    Cyclefree said:

    DavidL said:

    Rejoice.

    Dame Cressida Dick jokes that when @metpoliceuk celebrates its 200th anniversary in 2029 “it absolutely won’t be me” as Met Police Commissioner addressing #supersconference … So, no more contract renewals after 2024?

    https://twitter.com/DannyShawNews/status/1437751388981846016

    Truly a shameful and shocking decision to give her any extension.
    Yes. She should have been sacked.

    Failing upwards - the one thing the British establishment absolutely aces.
    I remember the evident shock, anguish and anger when the head of Hackney Child Services discovered that she was being held accountable for the actions of Hackney Child Services.

    There should be a word for "The moment you realise you are not in the Upper 10,000".
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    Probably the most exciting thing that happened at the Netherlands Grand Prix.

    A Formula 1 fan from Liverpool was arrested at gunpoint in the Netherlands after being mistaken for a mafia boss.

    The 54-year-old, known only as Mark L, was blindfolded and led away by police in The Hague on Wednesday who thought they had captured Sicilian crime lord Matteo Messina Denaro, 59.

    Mark L, who had attended the grand prix on 5 September, has now been freed, the Dutch Public Prosecutor's Office said.

    Denaro is wanted over bombings in 1993 in which 10 were killed and 93 injured.

    Mark L had been eating at a restaurant with his son when police burst in, carrying a European Arrest Warrant issued by the Italian authorities.

    His lawyer Leon van Kleef said: "It's like a bad movie, a nightmare that my client has found himself in.

    "Imagine one moment you are having a bite to eat and the next you are sat in a maximum-­security Dutch prison."


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-58559255
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    Leon said:

    Mr. Eagles, isn't 'incel virgin' a tautology?

    Mr. Ping, got to show just how green and virtuous the government is (not unique to this one, all of them to Blair at least have done it). Can't nasty coal and gas power. I mean, yes, they keep the lights on but, boo! Carbon!*

    Meanwhile, in China...

    *I've caricatured my position slightly. I do think most renewables have some promise. But wind is stupid because it's unpredictable, and we need sufficient capacity from coal/gas/nuclear to crank out what we need. And now we're paying through the nose because politicians want to parade their green credentials and can easily afford to do so. Cf boilers.

    No, I read some articles about there's various degrees of Incels.

    There's the incels that have never had a sexual experience.

    There's the incels that may have had one or two sexual encounters in their youth but none for a decade plus.

    There's a few other categories.
    Judging by the experience of many friends, in the various categories of incel, I would add:

    “Fathers of very young children”

    And

    “Husbands married for more than 12 years”
    I have been in the first category and am currently comfortably in the second category and can report that no celibacy was involved, involuntary or otherwise!
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,607
    Wow, Valneva look absolutely buggered. Government saying that they made a vaccine unlikely to receive MHRA approval which either means it doesn't meet safety requirements or it doesn't have very good efficacy vs AZ/Pfizer (maybe both). It's a shame because a whole inactivated virus could have been a really good booster shot.
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    Selebian said:

    Mr. Boy, most Conservative MPs were for the EU.

    If other MPs did vote for the EEA then I stand corrected. Remiss of me not to know of a rare instance of pro-EU MPs voting in a pro-EU way rather than alongside anti-EU Conservative backbenchers.

    I am referring to the "indicative votes", as far as I am aware the only opportunity MPs had to vote for single market or customs union membership. As you will see below, Labour MPs voted overwhelmingly for these soft Brexit options, Tory MPs overwhelmingly opposed.

    https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/indicative-votes-2-0-where-did-support-lie/

    I'd be grateful if everyone took a look at this so we can put to bed the idea that a soft Brexit was blocked by Remainer MPs when in fact the opposite is true. We are all entitled to our own opinions, but not our own facts!
    Mostly agree with that, but LDs were part of the blocking of a soft Brexit. As were Labour when May offered a deal at the end of her reign. The amount of MPs I thought dealt with it all well is less than 10%.
    All May's deals were hard Brexit involving an end to free movement.
    I can't speak for the Lib Dems (a party whose sole achievement in the postwar era has been to enable a Tory government).
    You forget putting the country in a sustainable, equitable and good-value position with regard to tertiary education :wink:

    (And providing occasional by-election betting windfalls to OGH and others...)
    I fear that the next by-election where the LDs are in with a shout the odds will be a lot tighter than the 20/1 I got in Chesham & Amersham.
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    FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 3,886

    Scott_xP said:

    Wholesale price of electricity was 35p a KWh yesterday.

    Yikes.

    This issue could explode this winter.

    ⚡⚡CRAZY POWER PRICES⚡⚡ UK day-ahead electricity prices climb further, much further, setting a fresh and eye-watering all-time high of £424 per MWh on the N2EX platform (up ~20% from yesterday's already record high). UK power prices tomorrow at 7-8pm will reach £2,500 per MWh https://twitter.com/JavierBlas/status/1437731422098366468/photo/1
    The £100 or so agreed per MWh at Hinkley might turn out to be cheap at this rate.
    Frack baby, Frack?
    Good thinking. If the government are getting controversial stuff out of the way, why not that?

    I never quite saw how the argument that we should import LPG in tankers instead of producing our own worked.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    edited September 2021
    Has there been any details of those eligible for the boosters how appointments will be booked....will it be GP led (as was the original process for the very old), before it migrated to being able to book using the online system.

    My elderly parents will be at the front of the queue, so obviously want to know if I need to be giving them a prod to go on the interwebs.
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    MaxPB said:

    Wow, Valneva look absolutely buggered. Government saying that they made a vaccine unlikely to receive MHRA approval which either means it doesn't meet safety requirements or it doesn't have very good efficacy vs AZ/Pfizer (maybe both). It's a shame because a whole inactivated virus could have been a really good booster shot.

    The French vaccines are having a shocking performance.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,435
    edited September 2021

    Has there been any details of those eligible for the boosters how appointments will be booked....will it be GP led (as was the original process for the very old), before it migrated to being able to book using the online system.

    My elderly parents will be at the front of the queue, so obviously want to know if I need to be giving them a prod to go on the interwebs.

    My understanding is that it will be like the flu jab roll out (and may well be incorporated into that.)

    So they'll get a message from their surgery to book a date/told the dates when they should turn up.

    FWIW - All PBers should make sure their GP surgery have an up to date mobile number for you.
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    MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 44,404
    DavidL said:

    Cyclefree said:

    DavidL said:

    Rejoice.

    Dame Cressida Dick jokes that when @metpoliceuk celebrates its 200th anniversary in 2029 “it absolutely won’t be me” as Met Police Commissioner addressing #supersconference … So, no more contract renewals after 2024?

    https://twitter.com/DannyShawNews/status/1437751388981846016

    Truly a shameful and shocking decision to give her any extension.
    Yes. She should have been sacked.

    Failing upwards - the one thing the British establishment absolutely aces.
    I honestly do not understand how anyone can think rewarding behaviour like that is going to improve standards or encourage those who genuinely want to do better.
    Really? It's about rewarding such behaviour in the expectation that you'll be similarly rewarded when you fuck up.

    Makes perfect sense if you are in the Upper 10,000
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    Is the booster program only for over 50s and vulnerable people?

    What about eg NHS and care workers for instance that were in JCVI priority groups 1 & 2?

    And no booster offer for non-vulnerable under 50s?
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    Has there been any details of those eligible for the boosters how appointments will be booked....will it be GP led (as was the original process for the very old), before it migrated to being able to book using the online system.

    My elderly parents will be at the front of the queue, so obviously want to know if I need to be giving them a prod to go on the interwebs.

    My understanding is that it will be like the flu jab roll out (and may well be incorporated into that.)

    So they'll get a message from their surgery to book a date/told the dates when they should turn up.

    FWIW - All PBers should make sure their GP surgery have an up to date mobile number for you.
    Cheers.
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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Scottish cases a smile raising 3,375.

    But there is a * next to the testing figure and no indication what that * means so maybe data lag?
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    Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 32,952
    MattW said:

    Any reality in your allegation that it would be "scrapped".

    Removed from the test. Which part of scrapped is confusing you now?
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    justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527



    There is no need for any pacts. If the electorate want to get rid of this government it will find ways to do it. A ton of Labour supporters voted LibDem in 1997 in seats where the LDs were the challengers - and stuck with them al the way through to 2015. For 20 years or so the anti-Tory party was the biggest in the UK. It has been replaced by the anti-Labour party. I think that's the way to see things, certainly in England. Under FPTP, so many votes are negative, rather than positive. That's why the Tory number is always the most interesting in any opinion poll. Once it starts dipping below 40, things begin to get vaguely interesting.

    Correct. Formal pacts are probably more trouble than they're worth, but parties mostly know where to focus their efforts. Labour does much better than the LibDems in in SE outside London in every poll, but the LibDems do better in elections in most seats in the region, simply because in many seats it's obvious that they have a better chance of beating the Tories. The reverse also works up to a point - in Canterbury, even though the LibDems insisted on putting up a candidate when their previous one endorsed Labour, the LD vote dropped by a third as people could see the Tory threat.
    The problem with 2019 was the lack of reciprocity. There was a willingness from our side to work with people's vote but Labour refused. The Corbyn cult refused to accept that the Jeremy was not universally adored, and any other vote than Labour would be treason.

    Then we had the shameful spectacle of "there's no anti-semitism its all Tory lies" Labour activists being flooded into Finchley and Golders Green knowing that only Berger could take the seat off the Tory incumbent. The uppity jew traitor had to be stopped at all costs.

    At a local level there was a concerted effort to do tactical voting. Even where Labour and LibDem candidates are both running you can target different voters.
    Labour has normally been the strongest anti-Tory challenger in Finchley & Golders Green - indeed the seat was Labour-held 1997 - 2010. The 2019 result there is likely to have been an aberration with Labour likely to recover at least second place next time.
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    Mr. Eagles, even Alexander had to pause for awhile at Tyre.
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    Scott_xP said:

    MattW said:

    Any reality in your allegation that it would be "scrapped".

    Removed from the test. Which part of scrapped is confusing you now?
    Scrapped means that it isn't done anymore.

    If its removed from the test and done elsewhere instead as a separate part of the test, then it isn't scrapped.
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    Mr. Flatlander, some people want energy that's green. And safe. And secure. And renewable. And doesn't cost very much. And comes made by pixies.
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    Well well.

    BREAKING: Trump advisers privately discussed “critical mistakes” in federal pandemic prep even as Trump claimed success.

    “In truth we do not have a clue how many are infected in the USA,” one adviser wrote in Feb 2020 email obtained by @COVIDOversight

    https://twitter.com/ddiamond/status/1437756340106141697

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/09/14/covid-delta-variant-live-updates/#link-MHPJG6ICMZHGTAMABC3R23XCZI
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    Pulpstar said:

    RobD said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Wholesale price of electricity was 35p a KWh yesterday.

    Yikes.

    This issue could explode this winter.

    Fucking hell.

    Where's that tidal lagoon ?
    Too much reliance on wind/solar?
    We have had a strangely windless summer apparently. That's part of what's going on.
    Long term wind should be OK for the UK though, more CO2 = more heat
    = more energy in the atmosphere = more wind generation. I'd lean in the direction of more windfarms as part of the overall mix.
    Fortunately looks like there are shovels in the ground for the big dogger bank one https://doggerbank.com/construction/
    Dogger always seems to have SOME wind whenever I listen to the shipping forecast during a test.
    For the North Atlantic the largest change is likely to be a weakening of the storm track. The Arctic will warm more quickly, reducing the temperature contrast between the pole and the tropics. It's that temperature contrast that creates the storm track, so as it reduces storm activity will lessen overall.

    But the strongest individual storms will get stronger, because there will be more moisture in the air, and so more convectively available potential energy.

    Wind is still a decent option for part of the mix, but I wish we'd started on tidal at the same time as Hinkley Point C.
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    MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 44,404
    edited September 2021

    Mr. Flatlander, some people want energy that's green. And safe. And secure. And renewable. And doesn't cost very much. And comes made by pixies.

    I want my energy made by large fish. Large, angry, mutated fish.


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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,607

    Is the booster program only for over 50s and vulnerable people?

    What about eg NHS and care workers for instance that were in JCVI priority groups 1 & 2?

    And no booster offer for non-vulnerable under 50s?

    It's for all 32m people in JCVI groups 1-9, I've been told by my cousin who was briefed on this last week that the NHS won't turn away any of groups 10-12 who are past their 6 months either.
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    Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    edited September 2021
    MaxPB said:

    Is the booster program only for over 50s and vulnerable people?

    What about eg NHS and care workers for instance that were in JCVI priority groups 1 & 2?

    And no booster offer for non-vulnerable under 50s?

    It's for all 32m people in JCVI groups 1-9, I've been told by my cousin who was briefed on this last week that the NHS won't turn away any of groups 10-12 who are past their 6 months either.
    That's good if so, thank you.

    I can't remember what date I got jabbed or when my 6 months would be up, but I think it'd be next year if its 6 months past second jab.
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    Mr. Malmesbury, sound fellow.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,897

    Well well.

    BREAKING: Trump advisers privately discussed “critical mistakes” in federal pandemic prep even as Trump claimed success.

    “In truth we do not have a clue how many are infected in the USA,” one adviser wrote in Feb 2020 email obtained by @COVIDOversight

    https://twitter.com/ddiamond/status/1437756340106141697

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/09/14/covid-delta-variant-live-updates/#link-MHPJG6ICMZHGTAMABC3R23XCZI

    That isn’t something particular to the USA though, is it?

    Every country’s enquiry, for those open enough to do them in public, is going to have similar stories of absolute chaos, in the face of something none of them had experienced previously.
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    MaxPB said:

    Is the booster program only for over 50s and vulnerable people?

    What about eg NHS and care workers for instance that were in JCVI priority groups 1 & 2?

    And no booster offer for non-vulnerable under 50s?

    It's for all 32m people in JCVI groups 1-9, I've been told by my cousin who was briefed on this last week that the NHS won't turn away any of groups 10-12 who are past their 6 months either.
    That's good if so, thank you.

    I can't remember what date I got jabbed or when my 6 months would be up, but I think it'd be next year if its 6 months past second jab.
    Have you still got the card they gave you?
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    Mr. Flatlander, some people want energy that's green. And safe. And secure. And renewable. And doesn't cost very much. And comes made by pixies.

    I want my energy made by large fish. Large, angry, mutated fish.
    I keep on telling my scientist friends that if science can create an effective Covid-19 vaccine in months then they really should be able crack cold fusion by 2023 if they pull their fingers out.
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,302

    DavidL said:

    I do agree with @RochdalePioneers that we have a major shortage of energy production in the UK. This is mainly because decisions in favour of power plants are rarely popular. I am as guilty of this as anyone being shocked at the deal for Hinckley Point. We need to get going on tidal barriers, offshore wind and even solar. And if that means fields covered in ugly looking panels so be it.

    Its the gross stupidity of both the decisions made and the communications of the deals that baffles. We are one of the nuclear pioneers yet we say no to UK investment into the technology and yes to paying a 100% markup to the Chinese government building Hinkley Point.

    There is and has been for decades a major problem with all governments refusing to plan long term and this is what we get. We need to invest heavily into green energy design and production. Fulfil the generation and local storage of green power and be a global leader in selling this to others. Or, focus on quarterly profits in the city and accept that we're always going to be reliant on others. Global Britain or not?
    Personally I regard this as both a threat and an opportunity. We need to be generating so much green energy that this becomes the logical place to build large battery plants and the like. But we need to make up for a chronic lack of investment in the last 20 years.
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    maaarshmaaarsh Posts: 3,391

    Well well.

    BREAKING: Trump advisers privately discussed “critical mistakes” in federal pandemic prep even as Trump claimed success.

    “In truth we do not have a clue how many are infected in the USA,” one adviser wrote in Feb 2020 email obtained by @COVIDOversight

    https://twitter.com/ddiamond/status/1437756340106141697

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/09/14/covid-delta-variant-live-updates/#link-MHPJG6ICMZHGTAMABC3R23XCZI

    By the end of February 2020 the UK had managed to confirm 48 cases in total, most of those in the last week of Feb, so I'm not sure that Feb 2020 email is particularly damning.
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    MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 44,404

    Mr. Malmesbury, sound fellow.

    Or perhaps by bolting this...

    image

    to a piece of the country we don't really need. Think one cylinder external combustion engine....
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    FarooqFarooq Posts: 10,775

    Mr. Flatlander, some people want energy that's green. And safe. And secure. And renewable. And doesn't cost very much. And comes made by pixies.

    I want my energy made by large fish. Large, angry, mutated fish.


    So do we all, but can it be generated.... at scale?
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    Sandpit said:

    Well well.

    BREAKING: Trump advisers privately discussed “critical mistakes” in federal pandemic prep even as Trump claimed success.

    “In truth we do not have a clue how many are infected in the USA,” one adviser wrote in Feb 2020 email obtained by @COVIDOversight

    https://twitter.com/ddiamond/status/1437756340106141697

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/09/14/covid-delta-variant-live-updates/#link-MHPJG6ICMZHGTAMABC3R23XCZI

    That isn’t something particular to the USA though, is it?

    Every country’s enquiry, for those open enough to do them in public, is going to have similar stories of absolute chaos, in the face of something none of them had experienced previously.
    It isn't, the thing is Trump and his supporters have been telling the world Trump handled everything brilliantly, this is going to be slightly awkward for him.

    Even Boris Johnson has admitted mistakes were made at the start.
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    maaarshmaaarsh Posts: 3,391
    Alistair said:

    Scottish cases a smile raising 3,375.

    But there is a * next to the testing figure and no indication what that * means so maybe data lag?

    They specifically said yesterday there was a data error which would be caught up today.
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    Mr. Flatlander, some people want energy that's green. And safe. And secure. And renewable. And doesn't cost very much. And comes made by pixies.

    I want my energy made by large fish. Large, angry, mutated fish.
    I keep on telling my scientist friends that if science can create an effective Covid-19 vaccine in months then they really should be able crack cold fusion by 2023 if they pull their fingers out.
    If the failure to crack cold fusion meant that the entire world economy was ground to a halt, so money was no object in fusion research, they probably could.
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    MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 44,404
    Farooq said:

    Mr. Flatlander, some people want energy that's green. And safe. And secure. And renewable. And doesn't cost very much. And comes made by pixies.

    I want my energy made by large fish. Large, angry, mutated fish.


    So do we all, but can it be generated.... at scale?
    The fish scale themselves......
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,435
    edited September 2021

    MaxPB said:

    Is the booster program only for over 50s and vulnerable people?

    What about eg NHS and care workers for instance that were in JCVI priority groups 1 & 2?

    And no booster offer for non-vulnerable under 50s?

    It's for all 32m people in JCVI groups 1-9, I've been told by my cousin who was briefed on this last week that the NHS won't turn away any of groups 10-12 who are past their 6 months either.
    That's good if so, thank you.

    I can't remember what date I got jabbed or when my 6 months would be up, but I think it'd be next year if its 6 months past second jab.
    Have you got the NHS app, it tells you in there when you had your jabs.

    In the 'Your health' tab then 'Check your Covid-19 vaccine record.'
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    ChameleonChameleon Posts: 3,886
    Is there a market for the size of the Bundestag?

    https://twitter.com/HzBrandenburg/status/1437766263745490963

    "This result is fun and the third such poll in a row, indicating a sea change in voting behaviour in Bavaria.

    But it alone will could have devastating consequences for the Bundestag, by blowing up its size from currently 709 to perhaps around 800."

    Tl;dr: The CSU could win 95-100% of the seats in Bavaria on just ~30%, per the German rules that requires other parties to get overhang seats, and then other states to get extra seats to keep the states proportional, normally an over representation in one pat of the country can be balanced out by fewer proportional seats in other states - but due to the CDU/CSU stuff that seems not to apply. End result the ~590 seat Bundestag could end up being 850 members big.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,897
    Get building those Navy-spec Rolls-Royce small nuclear reactors. 440MW for £2bn
    https://neutronbytes.com/2019/11/09/rolls-royce-reveals-440-mw-commecial-reactor-design/
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    MattWMattW Posts: 18,546
    edited September 2021
    ping said:
    Thanks for the link.

    Martin is being a bit mischevious here (not like him), in that he is taking the cheapest fix from last year, and the same from this year, and going HTG !

    Whilst variable prices are now around 5-10% cheaper than fixes due to supply dynamics. And it is variable prices at the price cap that will benefit non-switchers and people on prepayment meters (though these can now get fixed deals).

    https://www.moneysavingexpert.com/content/dam/mse/tip/energy/tip-graph-WS-PC-CF-V11.png.rendition.992.992.png

    In one sense those of us who do switch are balancing out those who don't / can't be bothered. As was the regulator's intention in 2019 when the regime changed and the market simplified (imo a mistake).



    For me, my new fix setup in Aug is kicking in this week, and my previous £74 pcm is now £91 pcm on a one year fix. If I did it today it would be £99 pcm. And 10 years ago in this house I was paying ~£125 pcm. All both fuels.
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    Mr. Malmesbury, you're thinking small. Attach billions of them to the underside of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and create the first walking country on Earth!
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    MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 44,404
    edited September 2021

    Mr. Flatlander, some people want energy that's green. And safe. And secure. And renewable. And doesn't cost very much. And comes made by pixies.

    I want my energy made by large fish. Large, angry, mutated fish.
    I keep on telling my scientist friends that if science can create an effective Covid-19 vaccine in months then they really should be able crack cold fusion by 2023 if they pull their fingers out.
    If the failure to crack cold fusion meant that the entire world economy was ground to a halt, so money was no object in fusion research, they probably could.
    If you mean "cold fusion" in the mucking with palladium nonsense, then there is a slight Piers Corbyn level problem - Reality not working that way.....

    If you mean muon catalysed fusion, that is a half dozen Nobel Prizes away. If possible.
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    MattWMattW Posts: 18,546
    edited September 2021

    Selebian said:

    Mr. Boy, most Conservative MPs were for the EU.

    If other MPs did vote for the EEA then I stand corrected. Remiss of me not to know of a rare instance of pro-EU MPs voting in a pro-EU way rather than alongside anti-EU Conservative backbenchers.

    I am referring to the "indicative votes", as far as I am aware the only opportunity MPs had to vote for single market or customs union membership. As you will see below, Labour MPs voted overwhelmingly for these soft Brexit options, Tory MPs overwhelmingly opposed.

    https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/indicative-votes-2-0-where-did-support-lie/

    I'd be grateful if everyone took a look at this so we can put to bed the idea that a soft Brexit was blocked by Remainer MPs when in fact the opposite is true. We are all entitled to our own opinions, but not our own facts!
    Mostly agree with that, but LDs were part of the blocking of a soft Brexit. As were Labour when May offered a deal at the end of her reign. The amount of MPs I thought dealt with it all well is less than 10%.
    All May's deals were hard Brexit involving an end to free movement.
    I can't speak for the Lib Dems (a party whose sole achievement in the postwar era has been to enable a Tory government).
    You forget putting the country in a sustainable, equitable and good-value position with regard to tertiary education :wink:

    (And providing occasional by-election betting windfalls to OGH and others...)
    I fear that the next by-election where the LDs are in with a shout the odds will be a lot tighter than the 20/1 I got in Chesham & Amersham.
    Hope you aren't due for a new car soon :smiley:
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    MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 44,404

    Mr. Malmesbury, you're thinking small. Attach billions of them to the underside of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and create the first walking country on Earth!

    We will need to mutate the fish further, so they fly.....
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,929
    edited September 2021
    MaxPB said:

    Is the booster program only for over 50s and vulnerable people?

    What about eg NHS and care workers for instance that were in JCVI priority groups 1 & 2?

    And no booster offer for non-vulnerable under 50s?

    It's for all 32m people in JCVI groups 1-9, I've been told by my cousin who was briefed on this last week that the NHS won't turn away any of groups 10-12 who are past their 6 months either.
    Would we be better off with groups 10-12 not getting a 3rd jab and picking up (Safeish) hybrid immunity post jabs 1 & 2; thus protecting the vulnerable more than a general 3rd shot for us all ?
    It's something I've mulled over in my head. My reasoning might be wrong.
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    MrEdMrEd Posts: 5,578

    Sandpit said:

    Well well.

    BREAKING: Trump advisers privately discussed “critical mistakes” in federal pandemic prep even as Trump claimed success.

    “In truth we do not have a clue how many are infected in the USA,” one adviser wrote in Feb 2020 email obtained by @COVIDOversight

    https://twitter.com/ddiamond/status/1437756340106141697

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/09/14/covid-delta-variant-live-updates/#link-MHPJG6ICMZHGTAMABC3R23XCZI

    That isn’t something particular to the USA though, is it?

    Every country’s enquiry, for those open enough to do them in public, is going to have similar stories of absolute chaos, in the face of something none of them had experienced previously.
    It isn't, the thing is Trump and his supporters have been telling the world Trump handled everything brilliantly, this is going to be slightly awkward for him.

    Even Boris Johnson has admitted mistakes were made at the start.
    TBH, everyone knows mistakes were made at the start and, regardless of Trump’s claims about outstanding success, that included the US. He can also point to his instincts being right when others were critical of his actions eg wanting to ban flights from China.

    It’s not as though he rang up the Afghan President and told him to make out the Taliban were being beaten so he wouldn’t look bad.
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    Mr. Eagles, isn't 'incel virgin' a tautology?

    Mr. Ping, got to show just how green and virtuous the government is (not unique to this one, all of them to Blair at least have done it). Can't nasty coal and gas power. I mean, yes, they keep the lights on but, boo! Carbon!*

    Meanwhile, in China...

    *I've caricatured my position slightly. I do think most renewables have some promise. But wind is stupid because it's unpredictable, and we need sufficient capacity from coal/gas/nuclear to crank out what we need. And now we're paying through the nose because politicians want to parade their green credentials and can easily afford to do so. Cf boilers.

    Put aside the health of the planet for a second.
    Solar and Wind with Storage is the way forward. Coal/Gas/Oil/Nuclear will be stranded assets. https://www.carbonbrief.org/solar-is-now-cheapest-electricity-in-history-confirms-iea
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zgwiQ6BoLA&t=1097s
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    Exclusive: Prince Andrew's accuser, & Ghislaine Maxwell's most outspoken accuser, Virginia Giuffre, has NOT been chosen by the legal team to testify against Maxwell in the upcoming trial.

    It follows over 100 inconsistencies & fabrications being found in her numerous claims...


    https://twitter.com/Jay_Beecher/status/1437770802737422348?s=20
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    SelebianSelebian Posts: 7,442

    Scott_xP said:

    Wholesale price of electricity was 35p a KWh yesterday.

    Yikes.

    This issue could explode this winter.

    ⚡⚡CRAZY POWER PRICES⚡⚡ UK day-ahead electricity prices climb further, much further, setting a fresh and eye-watering all-time high of £424 per MWh on the N2EX platform (up ~20% from yesterday's already record high). UK power prices tomorrow at 7-8pm will reach £2,500 per MWh https://twitter.com/JavierBlas/status/1437731422098366468/photo/1
    The £100 or so agreed per MWh at Hinkley might turn out to be cheap at this rate.
    Frack baby, Frack?
    All right stop, shut up and listen
    Cuadrilla's back with a brand new invention
    Something grabs a hold of you tightly
    Bangs like an earthquake daily and nightly
    Will it ever stop? Yo, I don't know
    It'll keep the lights on - they'll glow
    To the extreme I rock-crack like a vandal
    Light up your room wi' no wax nor a candle.

    Dance? Go rush the fracker, you oughta
    I'm killing your brain with poison groundwater
    Deadly, when I mess up your groundrocks
    Ain't notin left 'cept yo vibrating bollocks
    Love it or leave it, you better gain way
    You gotta move house, ground won't stay

    If there was a problem, yo, I'll solve it
    Get out your house while fracking revolves it

    Frack Frack Baby
    Gotta Frack Frack Baby
    Frack Frack Baby
    Gotta Frack Frack Baby
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,435
    edited September 2021

    Exclusive: Prince Andrew's accuser, & Ghislaine Maxwell's most outspoken accuser, Virginia Giuffre, has NOT been chosen by the legal team to testify against Maxwell in the upcoming trial.

    It follows over 100 inconsistencies & fabrications being found in her numerous claims...


    https://twitter.com/Jay_Beecher/status/1437770802737422348?s=20

    See that's so misleading.

    Victims of sexual assault, particularly younger victims, have inconsistencies simply because they repress traumatic things.

    Things like dates/times/locations/clothes worn etc get mixed up.

    This becomes a larger issue for those who are the victim of repeated attacks.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    edited September 2021
    - Parental leave for all workers and the right to flexible working
    - Scrapping zero hour contracts
    - Dignity for all workers, not just those with a degree

    Sir Keir said: "Labour is the party of working people"

    https://twitter.com/emsferg/status/1437710135128907777?s=19

    I see we are back to scrapping ZHC...the thing that is actually surprisingly popular with a lot of people, as it works both ways.

    The biggest unfairness about ZHC was exclusivity demands, which have been outlawed.

    I would have thought a sensible middle ground is if you have worked somewhere for x months, you are then entitled to minimum number of hours in a week if you would like them.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,929

    Mr. Eagles, isn't 'incel virgin' a tautology?

    Mr. Ping, got to show just how green and virtuous the government is (not unique to this one, all of them to Blair at least have done it). Can't nasty coal and gas power. I mean, yes, they keep the lights on but, boo! Carbon!*

    Meanwhile, in China...

    *I've caricatured my position slightly. I do think most renewables have some promise. But wind is stupid because it's unpredictable, and we need sufficient capacity from coal/gas/nuclear to crank out what we need. And now we're paying through the nose because politicians want to parade their green credentials and can easily afford to do so. Cf boilers.

    Put aside the health of the planet for a second.
    Solar and Wind with Storage is the way forward. Coal/Gas/Oil/Nuclear will be stranded assets. https://www.carbonbrief.org/solar-is-now-cheapest-electricity-in-history-confirms-iea
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zgwiQ6BoLA&t=1097s
    Why not take the HS2 budget and reallocate to offshore wind ?

    We've got one of the richest potential assets in the world here, and can flog to the Germans, Dutch, Belgiums on windy days who all have far less territorial waters per head than we do.

    It'd power our electric cars too.

    I know it's not that windy right now but with enough capacity you can break simply outbuild quiet days since there is pretty much always wind at sea.

    I'm not even particularly in favour of this for green arguments, though they are a nice bonus on top.
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    MattWMattW Posts: 18,546
    Scott_xP said:

    MattW said:

    Any reality in your allegation that it would be "scrapped".

    Removed from the test. Which part of scrapped is confusing you now?
    The bit where it isn't true :smile:
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    FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 3,886

    Mr. Flatlander, some people want energy that's green. And safe. And secure. And renewable. And doesn't cost very much. And comes made by pixies.

    Well, quite.

    You'd need an awful lot pixies to turn a generator though. I'm not sure what pixies consume, but we'd need a lot of it.
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    Press conference 3.30:

    Watch today's COVID-19 press conference live on our channels at 3.30pm.


    https://twitter.com/10DowningStreet/status/1437773094651891714?s=20
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    Pulpstar said:




    Mr. Eagles, isn't 'incel virgin' a tautology?

    Mr. Ping, got to show just how green and virtuous the government is (not unique to this one, all of them to Blair at least have done it). Can't nasty coal and gas power. I mean, yes, they keep the lights on but, boo! Carbon!*

    Meanwhile, in China...

    *I've caricatured my position slightly. I do think most renewables have some promise. But wind is stupid because it's unpredictable, and we need sufficient capacity from coal/gas/nuclear to crank out what we need. And now we're paying through the nose because politicians want to parade their green credentials and can easily afford to do so. Cf boilers.

    Put aside the health of the planet for a second.
    Solar and Wind with Storage is the way forward. Coal/Gas/Oil/Nuclear will be stranded assets. https://www.carbonbrief.org/solar-is-now-cheapest-electricity-in-history-confirms-iea
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zgwiQ6BoLA&t=1097s
    Why not take the HS2 budget and reallocate to offshore wind ?

    We've got one of the richest potential assets in the world here, and can flog to the Germans, Dutch, Belgiums on windy days who all have far less territorial waters per head than we do.

    It'd power our electric cars too.

    I know it's not that windy right now but with enough capacity you can break simply outbuild quiet days since there is pretty much always wind at sea.

    I'm not even particularly in favour of this for green arguments, though they are a nice bonus on top.
    Absolutely! Renewables + Storage looks like the perfect combination.

    If tidal can compete on that pricewise then go for it too. If it can't, just build more storage.
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    Pulpstar said:




    Mr. Eagles, isn't 'incel virgin' a tautology?

    Mr. Ping, got to show just how green and virtuous the government is (not unique to this one, all of them to Blair at least have done it). Can't nasty coal and gas power. I mean, yes, they keep the lights on but, boo! Carbon!*

    Meanwhile, in China...

    *I've caricatured my position slightly. I do think most renewables have some promise. But wind is stupid because it's unpredictable, and we need sufficient capacity from coal/gas/nuclear to crank out what we need. And now we're paying through the nose because politicians want to parade their green credentials and can easily afford to do so. Cf boilers.

    Put aside the health of the planet for a second.
    Solar and Wind with Storage is the way forward. Coal/Gas/Oil/Nuclear will be stranded assets. https://www.carbonbrief.org/solar-is-now-cheapest-electricity-in-history-confirms-iea
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zgwiQ6BoLA&t=1097s
    Why not take the HS2 budget and reallocate to offshore wind ?

    We've got one of the richest potential assets in the world here, and can flog to the Germans, Dutch, Belgiums on windy days who all have far less territorial waters per head than we do.

    It'd power our electric cars too.

    I know it's not that windy right now but with enough capacity you can break simply outbuild quiet days since there is pretty much always wind at sea.

    I'm not even particularly in favour of this for green arguments, though they are a nice bonus on top.
    "Solar and Wind by themselves are now the cheapest way to generate electricity"
    (See 7 minutes in on this video for details https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zgwiQ6BoLA&t=1097s )
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    MattWMattW Posts: 18,546
    Hopefully all these energy price increases will cause a run on the subsidised / free insulation which is available afaik everywhere at present under the ECO programme.

    And the twunts who were causing CO2 emissions by creating traffic jams the other day will get off their stupid backsides and volunteer to help guide people through the process.
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    Mr. Urquhart, it's a naff set of proposals.

    Flexible working's great but can't possibly suit every single job. And, as you say, most people on zero hours contracts like them.

    Dull foolishness dredged up from the canal of last year's ideas. Humbug to Starmer.

    Mr. Flatlander, well... either that or you burn the pixies as fuel.
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    FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 3,886

    Mr. Eagles, isn't 'incel virgin' a tautology?

    Mr. Ping, got to show just how green and virtuous the government is (not unique to this one, all of them to Blair at least have done it). Can't nasty coal and gas power. I mean, yes, they keep the lights on but, boo! Carbon!*

    Meanwhile, in China...

    *I've caricatured my position slightly. I do think most renewables have some promise. But wind is stupid because it's unpredictable, and we need sufficient capacity from coal/gas/nuclear to crank out what we need. And now we're paying through the nose because politicians want to parade their green credentials and can easily afford to do so. Cf boilers.

    Put aside the health of the planet for a second.
    Solar and Wind with Storage is the way forward. Coal/Gas/Oil/Nuclear will be stranded assets. https://www.carbonbrief.org/solar-is-now-cheapest-electricity-in-history-confirms-iea
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zgwiQ6BoLA&t=1097s
    This "Storage" of which you speak. Whassat?
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    sarissasarissa Posts: 1,783
    Scott_xP said:

    Wholesale price of electricity was 35p a KWh yesterday.

    Yikes.

    This issue could explode this winter.

    ⚡⚡CRAZY POWER PRICES⚡⚡ UK day-ahead electricity prices climb further, much further, setting a fresh and eye-watering all-time high of £424 per MWh on the N2EX platform (up ~20% from yesterday's already record high). UK power prices tomorrow at 7-8pm will reach £2,500 per MWh https://twitter.com/JavierBlas/status/1437731422098366468/photo/1
    Bl***y European football, pushing up our cost of living - let's withdraw and Take Back Control.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    edited September 2021
    I fear inflation will be with us for quite a while....and for the government, it is particularly damaging, more so than tax rises, as inflation of energy or petrol or food, it is really in your face and noticeable every day.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,929

    Mr. Eagles, isn't 'incel virgin' a tautology?

    Mr. Ping, got to show just how green and virtuous the government is (not unique to this one, all of them to Blair at least have done it). Can't nasty coal and gas power. I mean, yes, they keep the lights on but, boo! Carbon!*

    Meanwhile, in China...

    *I've caricatured my position slightly. I do think most renewables have some promise. But wind is stupid because it's unpredictable, and we need sufficient capacity from coal/gas/nuclear to crank out what we need. And now we're paying through the nose because politicians want to parade their green credentials and can easily afford to do so. Cf boilers.

    Put aside the health of the planet for a second.
    Solar and Wind with Storage is the way forward. Coal/Gas/Oil/Nuclear will be stranded assets. https://www.carbonbrief.org/solar-is-now-cheapest-electricity-in-history-confirms-iea
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zgwiQ6BoLA&t=1097s
    This "Storage" of which you speak. Whassat?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzlOcupu5UE
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,929

    I fear inflation will be with us for quite a while....and for the government, it is particularly damaging, more so than tax rises, as inflation of energy or petrol or food, it is really in your face and noticeable every day.

    Well at least my solar payments will rise with RPI.
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    Exclusive: Prince Andrew's accuser, & Ghislaine Maxwell's most outspoken accuser, Virginia Giuffre, has NOT been chosen by the legal team to testify against Maxwell in the upcoming trial.

    It follows over 100 inconsistencies & fabrications being found in her numerous claims...


    https://twitter.com/Jay_Beecher/status/1437770802737422348?s=20

    See that's so misleading.

    Victims of sexual assault, particularly younger victims, have inconsistencies simply because they repress traumatic things.

    Things like dates/times/locations/clothes worn etc get mixed up.

    This becomes a larger issue for those who are the victim of repeated attacks.
    That seems perilously close to saying that no evidence can ever make an accusation untrue.
    No, as Carl Beech found out.
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    maaarshmaaarsh Posts: 3,391
    Pulpstar said:




    Mr. Eagles, isn't 'incel virgin' a tautology?

    Mr. Ping, got to show just how green and virtuous the government is (not unique to this one, all of them to Blair at least have done it). Can't nasty coal and gas power. I mean, yes, they keep the lights on but, boo! Carbon!*

    Meanwhile, in China...

    *I've caricatured my position slightly. I do think most renewables have some promise. But wind is stupid because it's unpredictable, and we need sufficient capacity from coal/gas/nuclear to crank out what we need. And now we're paying through the nose because politicians want to parade their green credentials and can easily afford to do so. Cf boilers.

    Put aside the health of the planet for a second.
    Solar and Wind with Storage is the way forward. Coal/Gas/Oil/Nuclear will be stranded assets. https://www.carbonbrief.org/solar-is-now-cheapest-electricity-in-history-confirms-iea
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zgwiQ6BoLA&t=1097s
    Why not take the HS2 budget and reallocate to offshore wind ?

    We've got one of the richest potential assets in the world here, and can flog to the Germans, Dutch, Belgiums on windy days who all have far less territorial waters per head than we do.

    It'd power our electric cars too.

    I know it's not that windy right now but with enough capacity you can break simply outbuild quiet days since there is pretty much always wind at sea.

    I'm not even particularly in favour of this for green arguments, though they are a nice bonus on top.

    https://www.gridwatch.templar.co.uk/

    We have 24GW of wind capacity, (on and offshore) and it's currently generating 2GW and hasn't topped 5GW in the last 20 days.

    On days of max power requirement (mid winter, high presssure, clear skies, freezing) there is no wind.
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    Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 26,627

    Exclusive: Prince Andrew's accuser, & Ghislaine Maxwell's most outspoken accuser, Virginia Giuffre, has NOT been chosen by the legal team to testify against Maxwell in the upcoming trial.

    It follows over 100 inconsistencies & fabrications being found in her numerous claims...


    https://twitter.com/Jay_Beecher/status/1437770802737422348?s=20

    See that's so misleading.

    Victims of sexual assault, particularly younger victims, have inconsistencies simply because they repress traumatic things.

    Things like dates/times/locations/clothes worn etc get mixed up.

    This becomes a larger issue for those who are the victim of repeated attacks.
    That seems perilously close to saying that no evidence can ever make an accusation untrue.
    +1
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    eekeek Posts: 24,980

    - Parental leave for all workers and the right to flexible working
    - Scrapping zero hour contracts
    - Dignity for all workers, not just those with a degree

    Sir Keir said: "Labour is the party of working people"

    https://twitter.com/emsferg/status/1437710135128907777?s=19

    I see we are back to scrapping ZHC...the thing that is actually surprisingly popular with a lot of people, as it works both ways.

    The biggest unfairness about ZHC was exclusivity demands, which have been outlawed.

    I would have thought a sensible middle ground is if you have worked somewhere for x months, you are then entitled to minimum number of hours in a week if you would like them.

    I suspect the last bit is what they actually mean unless the TUC have changed their demands recently.

    The reason they say No zero hour contracts is because it's easier to say and understand...
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    Mr. Eagles, isn't 'incel virgin' a tautology?

    Mr. Ping, got to show just how green and virtuous the government is (not unique to this one, all of them to Blair at least have done it). Can't nasty coal and gas power. I mean, yes, they keep the lights on but, boo! Carbon!*

    Meanwhile, in China...

    *I've caricatured my position slightly. I do think most renewables have some promise. But wind is stupid because it's unpredictable, and we need sufficient capacity from coal/gas/nuclear to crank out what we need. And now we're paying through the nose because politicians want to parade their green credentials and can easily afford to do so. Cf boilers.

    Put aside the health of the planet for a second.
    Solar and Wind with Storage is the way forward. Coal/Gas/Oil/Nuclear will be stranded assets. https://www.carbonbrief.org/solar-is-now-cheapest-electricity-in-history-confirms-iea
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zgwiQ6BoLA&t=1097s
    This "Storage" of which you speak. Whassat?
    Are you serious? Start here https://www.tesla.com/en_AU/blog/introducing-megapack-utility-scale-energy-storage
    Then watch the video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zgwiQ6BoLA&t=1097s
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    edited September 2021
    The other thing about especially food inflation, companies hold the line for a long time e.g. 99p for a bottle of pop was the norm for ages....once they can't hold it at that psychology price, it is soon shoots well past it e.g. pop quickky went to 1.30-1.40.

    I remember in the US it went from 99c to 1.49, then 1.99 as a norm real quick.

    And this is stuff people notice.
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    Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 26,627
    edited September 2021

    German polls almost unchanged, possibly a small CDU recovery at the expense of the FDP (which is plausible).

    https://www.wahlrecht.de/umfragen/

    It almost seems like the SPD went ahead as a result of defections from Greens supporters, and now previous FDP voters have responded by going back to the CDU/CSU. A sort of domino effect.
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    CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 39,750

    Farooq said:

    Mr. Flatlander, some people want energy that's green. And safe. And secure. And renewable. And doesn't cost very much. And comes made by pixies.

    I want my energy made by large fish. Large, angry, mutated fish.


    So do we all, but can it be generated.... at scale?
    The fish scale themselves......
    According to power laws, surely.
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    FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 3,886
    maaarsh said:

    Pulpstar said:




    Mr. Eagles, isn't 'incel virgin' a tautology?

    Mr. Ping, got to show just how green and virtuous the government is (not unique to this one, all of them to Blair at least have done it). Can't nasty coal and gas power. I mean, yes, they keep the lights on but, boo! Carbon!*

    Meanwhile, in China...

    *I've caricatured my position slightly. I do think most renewables have some promise. But wind is stupid because it's unpredictable, and we need sufficient capacity from coal/gas/nuclear to crank out what we need. And now we're paying through the nose because politicians want to parade their green credentials and can easily afford to do so. Cf boilers.

    Put aside the health of the planet for a second.
    Solar and Wind with Storage is the way forward. Coal/Gas/Oil/Nuclear will be stranded assets. https://www.carbonbrief.org/solar-is-now-cheapest-electricity-in-history-confirms-iea
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zgwiQ6BoLA&t=1097s
    Why not take the HS2 budget and reallocate to offshore wind ?

    We've got one of the richest potential assets in the world here, and can flog to the Germans, Dutch, Belgiums on windy days who all have far less territorial waters per head than we do.

    It'd power our electric cars too.

    I know it's not that windy right now but with enough capacity you can break simply outbuild quiet days since there is pretty much always wind at sea.

    I'm not even particularly in favour of this for green arguments, though they are a nice bonus on top.

    https://www.gridwatch.templar.co.uk/

    We have 24GW of wind capacity, (on and offshore) and it's currently generating 2GW and hasn't topped 5GW in the last 20 days.

    On days of max power requirement (mid winter, high presssure, clear skies, freezing) there is no wind.
    Indeed, and we seem to want everyone using electric heating, just to make that problem 10x worse.

    Wishful thinking seems to be the on-trend planning method.


    The wood burner craze makes more sense by the day.
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    sarissasarissa Posts: 1,783
    Alistair said:

    Scottish cases a smile raising 3,375.

    But there is a * next to the testing figure and no indication what that * means so maybe data lag?

    0-14 age group finally peaked, now hopefully following 15-19 and 20-24 age groups into steep decline.
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    sarissasarissa Posts: 1,783

    Mr. Flatlander, some people want energy that's green. And safe. And secure. And renewable. And doesn't cost very much. And comes made by pixies.

    I want my energy made by large fish. Large, angry, mutated fish.


    Troy Tempest wants a word.
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