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  • Charles said:

    Charles said:

    moonshine said:

    Is there really a debate on here on whether someone born overseas can be British? Goodness me.

    And it’s people on the “left” questioning it while those on the “right” are going ‘of course, why are you even asking?’

    Who is questioning it, Charles? I am sure you are not implying that I believe that someone born overseas cannot be British, so can you point out who is saying that?
    Well you said it.

    You may not believe it but you said it

    That is a simple lie. I would have expected better of you.

  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,128



    Some people are struggling, and not just elderly ones. We are, in this discussion, forgetting younger people, with, for example, something like MND.
    Then these's the issue of the 'good' care home; one in which, IMHO, anyway, the resident is given space to be themselves. For example, and this will happen increasingly often I suspect, I had a virtual friend who was one several chat boards. He didn't want to go into the residents lounge as he reported was frequently suggested to him; he was quite happy reading and posting with people who, virtually, had become his friends.
    But, as mentioned before, someone popping in for 20 minutes doesn't constitute either a safe, or a desirable, system.

    Interesting point about having space to oneself. I like going out to socialise with friends, but it's not crucial. I've spent most of the last 18 months in my 1-bedroom home with two jobs and lots of banter on PB and elsewhere, and I'm perfectly content. If I need a care home one day, I'll be fine if it's got good wifi. I'm not at all against people getting together and playing Monopoly in the lounge and might do it sometimes for a change, but any kind of pressure to join in, no thanks.

    Not everyone feels like that, but a good care home will respect people's preferences and try to offer both options.
    For you then, a "supported living" setup may be appropriate.

    Something that has been appearing as a new wing on some care homes round here.

    From the other end, I can see country-houses-converted-into-flats with communal grounds, or with rented flats under original ownership, developing a small 'supported' wing.

    What all of this needs is a stable long term environment with a stable legal / sufficient funding setup.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,577
    ydoethur said:

    Charles said:

    ydoethur said:

    OK, here is a question. When did HMRC start demanding payments on account? I've never had to make one on a self assessment return before, just pay the tax that I owed.

    When you make too much money
    That's Emma Raducanu buggered then :smile:
    I really hope she takes some good advise, before cashing that cheque.

    Exactly how she does so, could make quite the difference to her future tax liabilities.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,239
    Just realised who Emma Raducanu reminds me of. Tiger Woods. Both of mixed European/Asian descent. Both have this completely calm self-confidence. And supreme skill. She could dominate female tennis the way Woods dominated golf

    Obviously there are differences. She has is more charming (tho that could just be her youth). Hopefully she won’t echo Woods’ later career…

    And the manner of her breakthrough. Seed 150, a qualifier, only 2nd major, no sets dropped, goes on to win. That is unprecedented in top world sport. The only comparison that occurs to me is one of those amateur Spanish matadors that used to jump out of the crowd and fight the bull with such style they went on to be huge pro stars.
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,652
    edited September 2021
    Charles said:

    Charles said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    Coincidentally, or not, Raducanu was dressed in the colours of the Romanian flag last night. As for how her parents got to the UK - I thought the narrative was that Labour let anyone in.

    Completely barking.

    In what way, just out of interest?

    That you looked at the colours she was wearing and thought “oh, those are the colours of the Romanian flag.”

    Just imagine if someone on the far right pointed this out and said “see, she isn’t really British.”
    It's something Asian people face all the time. We're never really British in the eyes of some, both left and right do just from different directions.

    Why would someone acknowledging and celebrating their Romanian heritage not really be British?

    You tell me, you're the one inferring something from the Nike dress colours for 2021.

    No, you were inferring that I thought she was not really British because I pointed out she was wearing the colours of the Romanian flag. I am interested in understanding why you think I would think that. Because that is not what I think.

    Well you highlighted it apropos nothing and your follow up sentence was about her parents immigrating to the UK

    I assume you were trolling and feeling morally superior about being a better person than others rather than actually believing it though

    That's a very morally superior post, Charles. Made on the playing field of Eton, I suspect. Just so I understand, are you saying I feel morally superior to others even though I do not believe that I am? If I was as clever as you I would not need that explaining, of course, but as I am not I do. Cheers!

    No. I am saying that you posted something you didn’t believe because it reminded you that (in your estimation) others did believe it and therefore you were a better person.

    Unfortunately, for you, no one bit

    I did believe she was wearing the colours of the Romanian flag. Because she was. I also said I did not know if she was doing it deliberately. For some reason, that seems to have triggered a few people on here and has led you to lie about what I said. All very strange.

  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    ydoethur said:

    DavidL said:

    ydoethur said:

    DavidL said:

    ydoethur said:

    DavidL said:

    ydoethur said:

    OK, here is a question. When did HMRC start demanding payments on account? I've never had to make one on a self assessment return before, just pay the tax that I owed.

    For the self employed every January payment includes a payment to account for the following year (although given the ridiculous way our taxes work the following year can still be the year prior to when the payment is made).
    So why, in 16 years of filling these things in, is this the first time I've had to make one?
    Don't know. I have been doing that for the last 20 odd years. Have you maybe gone over some threshold?
    As I said in my edit, it's the change in approach that's puzzling me.

    I'm wondering if it's an attempt to claw some more of next year's income into this year. They do after all need it badly.
    Given the state of the public finances I have some reservations about whether squeezing a bit more out of you is the answer @ydoethur. I don't think there has been a change. I do remember after I had been doing this for 7 years I switched to paying on what I had billed rather than what I had actually been paid. That wasn't great given the really weird fact that paying their advocate doesn't seem to be at the top of everyone's priority list.
    Can you sue for your fees in Scotland? I know there's a tradition that barristers can't sue for them in England (not sure whether it's still the rule).
    It's a fix. Barristers can look to solicitors for fees whether the solicitor can get them off the client or not, and the solicitor can be struck off for not paying them. With security like that, who'd be arsed to sue anyway?
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,986
    I think that was only US Open match I have ever watched.

    As well as being the only match I can recall where the ball "boys and girls" looked older than the players, where are the line judges?
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,128
    edited September 2021
    ydoethur said:

    Stocky said:

    This is going to be a problem: "the government confirmed to BBC News the daily living costs in a care home - those associated with food, energy bills and the accommodation - will not count towards the cap."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-58442991

    Those are the costs you would still have even if you were not ill I suppose.
    When I was doing my PhD and applying for grants for research trips, I was told they would only pay travel and accommodation, not food. The reasoning was that 'a meal you eat there is a replacement for the meal you would eat here.'

    The minor detail that buying a very cheap ready meal and eating it with bargain basement potatoes from Lidl was in a slightly different financial bracket from buying food of any sort in London, even a sandwich, didn't seem to have occurred to them!
    Alas, no more self-transported pork pies in Paris for you :smile: .
  • DavidL said:

    Charles said:

    Charles said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    Coincidentally, or not, Raducanu was dressed in the colours of the Romanian flag last night. As for how her parents got to the UK - I thought the narrative was that Labour let anyone in.

    Completely barking.

    In what way, just out of interest?

    That you looked at the colours she was wearing and thought “oh, those are the colours of the Romanian flag.”

    Just imagine if someone on the far right pointed this out and said “see, she isn’t really British.”
    It's something Asian people face all the time. We're never really British in the eyes of some, both left and right do just from different directions.

    Why would someone acknowledging and celebrating their Romanian heritage not really be British?

    You tell me, you're the one inferring something from the Nike dress colours for 2021.

    No, you were inferring that I thought she was not really British because I pointed out she was wearing the colours of the Romanian flag. I am interested in understanding why you think I would think that. Because that is not what I think.

    Well you highlighted it apropos nothing and your follow up sentence was about her parents immigrating to the UK

    I assume you were trolling and feeling morally superior about being a better person than others rather than actually believing it though

    That's a very morally superior post, Charles. Made on the playing field of Eton, I suspect. Just so I understand, are you saying I feel morally superior to others even though I do not believe that I am? If I was as clever as you I would not need that explaining, of course, but as I am not I do. Cheers!

    No. I am saying that you posted something you didn’t believe because it reminded you that (in your estimation) others did believe it and therefore you were a better person.

    Unfortunately, for you, no one bit
    I now can't work out why I noticed she was wearing the colours of the Romanian flag. Am I morally superior or a racist?
    Or just observant?

    Not possible, apparently.

  • Well I hope that next year the tournament officials give Emma a place in the first round so that she doesn't have to bother with the qualifying rounds.

    It would seem only fair.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,239

    Charles said:

    Charles said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    Coincidentally, or not, Raducanu was dressed in the colours of the Romanian flag last night. As for how her parents got to the UK - I thought the narrative was that Labour let anyone in.

    Completely barking.

    In what way, just out of interest?

    That you looked at the colours she was wearing and thought “oh, those are the colours of the Romanian flag.”

    Just imagine if someone on the far right pointed this out and said “see, she isn’t really British.”
    It's something Asian people face all the time. We're never really British in the eyes of some, both left and right do just from different directions.

    Why would someone acknowledging and celebrating their Romanian heritage not really be British?

    You tell me, you're the one inferring something from the Nike dress colours for 2021.

    No, you were inferring that I thought she was not really British because I pointed out she was wearing the colours of the Romanian flag. I am interested in understanding why you think I would think that. Because that is not what I think.

    Well you highlighted it apropos nothing and your follow up sentence was about her parents immigrating to the UK

    I assume you were trolling and feeling morally superior about being a better person than others rather than actually believing it though

    That's a very morally superior post, Charles. Made on the playing field of Eton, I suspect. Just so I understand, are you saying I feel morally superior to others even though I do not believe that I am? If I was as clever as you I would not need that explaining, of course, but as I am not I do. Cheers!

    No. I am saying that you posted something you didn’t believe because it reminded you that (in your estimation) others did believe it and therefore you were a better person.

    Unfortunately, for you, no one bit

    I did believe she was wearing the colours of the Romanian flag. Because she was. I also said I did not know if she was doing it deliberately. For some reason, seems to have triggered a few people on here and has led you to lie about what I said. All very strange.

    So now you’re saying that she, as a girl of half Romanian descent, wore the colours of the Romanian flag ‘accidentally’

    What are the chances of that? Gosh
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,354

    Well I hope that next year the tournament officials give Emma a place in the first round so that she doesn't have to bother with the qualifying rounds.

    It would seem only fair.

    As the world no. 23 won't she be seeded from now on?
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    ydoethur said:

    DavidL said:

    ydoethur said:

    OK, here is a question. When did HMRC start demanding payments on account? I've never had to make one on a self assessment return before, just pay the tax that I owed.

    For the self employed every January payment includes a payment to account for the following year (although given the ridiculous way our taxes work the following year can still be the year prior to when the payment is made).
    So why, in 16 years of filling these things in, is this the first time I've had to make one?

    Edit - in previous years they've asked if I want to make one, and I've said no. But they're not really giving me that option here.
    Seems an odd time of year to do it, I thought the due dates were usually jan and July. Perhaps the treasury has been told to come up with some dosh pronto.
  • F1: in case any of you are slugabeds and missed it earlier, here's my pre-race ramble for Italy:
    https://enormo-haddock.blogspot.com/2021/09/italy-pre-race-2021.html

    Race starts at 2pm, UK time. And, with that, I must be off to help the Grey Wardens.
  • Leon said:

    Charles said:

    Charles said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    Coincidentally, or not, Raducanu was dressed in the colours of the Romanian flag last night. As for how her parents got to the UK - I thought the narrative was that Labour let anyone in.

    Completely barking.

    In what way, just out of interest?

    That you looked at the colours she was wearing and thought “oh, those are the colours of the Romanian flag.”

    Just imagine if someone on the far right pointed this out and said “see, she isn’t really British.”
    It's something Asian people face all the time. We're never really British in the eyes of some, both left and right do just from different directions.

    Why would someone acknowledging and celebrating their Romanian heritage not really be British?

    You tell me, you're the one inferring something from the Nike dress colours for 2021.

    No, you were inferring that I thought she was not really British because I pointed out she was wearing the colours of the Romanian flag. I am interested in understanding why you think I would think that. Because that is not what I think.

    Well you highlighted it apropos nothing and your follow up sentence was about her parents immigrating to the UK

    I assume you were trolling and feeling morally superior about being a better person than others rather than actually believing it though

    That's a very morally superior post, Charles. Made on the playing field of Eton, I suspect. Just so I understand, are you saying I feel morally superior to others even though I do not believe that I am? If I was as clever as you I would not need that explaining, of course, but as I am not I do. Cheers!

    No. I am saying that you posted something you didn’t believe because it reminded you that (in your estimation) others did believe it and therefore you were a better person.

    Unfortunately, for you, no one bit

    I did believe she was wearing the colours of the Romanian flag. Because she was. I also said I did not know if she was doing it deliberately. For some reason, seems to have triggered a few people on here and has led you to lie about what I said. All very strange.

    So now you’re saying that she, as a girl of half Romanian descent, wore the colours of the Romanian flag ‘accidentally’

    What are the chances of that? Gosh

    No, I am saying I don't know whether she did it intentionally. Which is what I have said from the start.

  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,239
    edited September 2021
    Scott_xP said:

    I think that was only US Open match I have ever watched.

    As well as being the only match I can recall where the ball "boys and girls" looked older than the players, where are the line judges?

    Likewise

    And why did the ball always make that snicketty sound as the serve crossed the net, making me think every serve was a let?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,354
    IshmaelZ said:

    ydoethur said:

    DavidL said:

    ydoethur said:

    OK, here is a question. When did HMRC start demanding payments on account? I've never had to make one on a self assessment return before, just pay the tax that I owed.

    For the self employed every January payment includes a payment to account for the following year (although given the ridiculous way our taxes work the following year can still be the year prior to when the payment is made).
    So why, in 16 years of filling these things in, is this the first time I've had to make one?

    Edit - in previous years they've asked if I want to make one, and I've said no. But they're not really giving me that option here.
    Seems an odd time of year to do it, I thought the due dates were usually jan and July. Perhaps the treasury has been told to come up with some dosh pronto.
    The due date is January. I'm just filling it in now because this is the last time between now and then when I won't have a feckload of marking to do.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,128
    edited September 2021

    Charles said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    Coincidentally, or not, Raducanu was dressed in the colours of the Romanian flag last night. As for how her parents got to the UK - I thought the narrative was that Labour let anyone in.

    Completely barking.

    In what way, just out of interest?

    That you looked at the colours she was wearing and thought “oh, those are the colours of the Romanian flag.”

    Just imagine if someone on the far right pointed this out and said “see, she isn’t really British.”
    It's something Asian people face all the time. We're never really British in the eyes of some, both left and right do just from different directions.

    Why would someone acknowledging and celebrating their Romanian heritage not really be British?

    You tell me, you're the one inferring something from the Nike dress colours for 2021.

    No, you were inferring that I thought she was not really British because I pointed out she was wearing the colours of the Romanian flag. I am interested in understanding why you think I would think that. Because that is not what I think.

    Well you highlighted it apropos nothing and your follow up sentence was about her parents immigrating to the UK

    I assume you were trolling and feeling morally superior about being a better person than others rather than actually believing it though

    That's a very morally superior post, Charles. Made on the playing field of Eton, I suspect. Just so I understand, are you saying I feel morally superior to others even though I do not believe that I am? If I was as clever as you I would not need that explaining, of course, but as I am not I do. Cheers!

    Charles can't be morally superior.

    Like the rest of us (I presume), he isn't a cat.

    (Now:off to brunch).
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    TOPPING said:

    DavidL said:

    Official...vaccine passport ditched in England.

    I think that is a mistake. Not a mistake like renewing Cressida Dick's appointment, which made me sick to my stomach, but a mistake. We need to build defences that can operate short of lockdowns if England follows the same trend as Scotland did once the schools went back. The ability to control the congregation of people with vaccine passports is an obvious intermediate step. We will not have that in our armoury. Mistake.
    FWIW Labour is requiring all delegates to the conference to show evidence of double vaccination or have an immediate test. Seems sensible to me. Labour conferences to me are like night-clubs to MaxPB - I love them. However, I would prefer not to get Covid, and if someone with Covid wants to attend they can piss right off. Surely most crowded venues will feel the same?
    Illogical.

    If you are not double vaxxed then you are mainly putting yourself at risk.

    Yes your viral load might be higher. Or it might not be if you are symptom free.

    And as someone who is double vaxxed it would be reasonable to say that Covid for you would be similar to getting the flu.
    "mainly" is not good enough if there is the tiniest chance it might make the difference lockdown/no lockdown. The unvaxxed should be hunted down like rogue replicants after a Voight-Kampff test fail.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,174
    Scott_xP said:

    I think that was only US Open match I have ever watched.

    As well as being the only match I can recall where the ball "boys and girls" looked older than the players, where are the line judges?

    All line decisions done with Hawkeye (or whatever it is they use). Not sure about calling foot faults.

    Will be interesting if the other tournaments do the same.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,239

    Leon said:

    Charles said:

    Charles said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    Coincidentally, or not, Raducanu was dressed in the colours of the Romanian flag last night. As for how her parents got to the UK - I thought the narrative was that Labour let anyone in.

    Completely barking.

    In what way, just out of interest?

    That you looked at the colours she was wearing and thought “oh, those are the colours of the Romanian flag.”

    Just imagine if someone on the far right pointed this out and said “see, she isn’t really British.”
    It's something Asian people face all the time. We're never really British in the eyes of some, both left and right do just from different directions.

    Why would someone acknowledging and celebrating their Romanian heritage not really be British?

    You tell me, you're the one inferring something from the Nike dress colours for 2021.

    No, you were inferring that I thought she was not really British because I pointed out she was wearing the colours of the Romanian flag. I am interested in understanding why you think I would think that. Because that is not what I think.

    Well you highlighted it apropos nothing and your follow up sentence was about her parents immigrating to the UK

    I assume you were trolling and feeling morally superior about being a better person than others rather than actually believing it though

    That's a very morally superior post, Charles. Made on the playing field of Eton, I suspect. Just so I understand, are you saying I feel morally superior to others even though I do not believe that I am? If I was as clever as you I would not need that explaining, of course, but as I am not I do. Cheers!

    No. I am saying that you posted something you didn’t believe because it reminded you that (in your estimation) others did believe it and therefore you were a better person.

    Unfortunately, for you, no one bit

    I did believe she was wearing the colours of the Romanian flag. Because she was. I also said I did not know if she was doing it deliberately. For some reason, seems to have triggered a few people on here and has led you to lie about what I said. All very strange.

    So now you’re saying that she, as a girl of half Romanian descent, wore the colours of the Romanian flag ‘accidentally’

    What are the chances of that? Gosh

    No, I am saying I don't know whether she did it intentionally. Which is what I have said from the start.

    No, you just saw a chance to make some pompous yet valueless observation that made you feel virtuous, and superior to Brexiteers and Farageists, but it went off half-cock and now you are embroiled in a tedious debate which makes you look like a bit of a dick

    I’d change the subject if I were you. Good morning!
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    Leon said:

    Scott_xP said:

    I think that was only US Open match I have ever watched.

    As well as being the only match I can recall where the ball "boys and girls" looked older than the players, where are the line judges?

    Likewise

    And why did the ball always make that snicketty sound as the serve crossed the net, making me think every serve was a let?
    I thought that final ace was a let.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,239
    IshmaelZ said:

    Leon said:

    Scott_xP said:

    I think that was only US Open match I have ever watched.

    As well as being the only match I can recall where the ball "boys and girls" looked older than the players, where are the line judges?

    Likewise

    And why did the ball always make that snicketty sound as the serve crossed the net, making me think every serve was a let?
    I thought that final ace was a let.
    Yes, me too. Damn stupid
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,362
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Charles said:

    Charles said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    Coincidentally, or not, Raducanu was dressed in the colours of the Romanian flag last night. As for how her parents got to the UK - I thought the narrative was that Labour let anyone in.

    Completely barking.

    In what way, just out of interest?

    That you looked at the colours she was wearing and thought “oh, those are the colours of the Romanian flag.”

    Just imagine if someone on the far right pointed this out and said “see, she isn’t really British.”
    It's something Asian people face all the time. We're never really British in the eyes of some, both left and right do just from different directions.

    Why would someone acknowledging and celebrating their Romanian heritage not really be British?

    You tell me, you're the one inferring something from the Nike dress colours for 2021.

    No, you were inferring that I thought she was not really British because I pointed out she was wearing the colours of the Romanian flag. I am interested in understanding why you think I would think that. Because that is not what I think.

    Well you highlighted it apropos nothing and your follow up sentence was about her parents immigrating to the UK

    I assume you were trolling and feeling morally superior about being a better person than others rather than actually believing it though

    That's a very morally superior post, Charles. Made on the playing field of Eton, I suspect. Just so I understand, are you saying I feel morally superior to others even though I do not believe that I am? If I was as clever as you I would not need that explaining, of course, but as I am not I do. Cheers!

    No. I am saying that you posted something you didn’t believe because it reminded you that (in your estimation) others did believe it and therefore you were a better person.

    Unfortunately, for you, no one bit

    I did believe she was wearing the colours of the Romanian flag. Because she was. I also said I did not know if she was doing it deliberately. For some reason, seems to have triggered a few people on here and has led you to lie about what I said. All very strange.

    So now you’re saying that she, as a girl of half Romanian descent, wore the colours of the Romanian flag ‘accidentally’

    What are the chances of that? Gosh

    No, I am saying I don't know whether she did it intentionally. Which is what I have said from the start.

    No, you just saw a chance to make some pompous yet valueless observation that made you feel virtuous, and superior to Brexiteers and Farageists, but it went off half-cock and now you are embroiled in a tedious debate which makes you look like a bit of a dick

    I’d change the subject if I were you. Good morning!
    I seldom agree with you it you are on the money here. Mind you plenty are doing it at the moment. It makes them feel good. And superior.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    ydoethur said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    ydoethur said:

    DavidL said:

    ydoethur said:

    OK, here is a question. When did HMRC start demanding payments on account? I've never had to make one on a self assessment return before, just pay the tax that I owed.

    For the self employed every January payment includes a payment to account for the following year (although given the ridiculous way our taxes work the following year can still be the year prior to when the payment is made).
    So why, in 16 years of filling these things in, is this the first time I've had to make one?

    Edit - in previous years they've asked if I want to make one, and I've said no. But they're not really giving me that option here.
    Seems an odd time of year to do it, I thought the due dates were usually jan and July. Perhaps the treasury has been told to come up with some dosh pronto.
    The due date is January. I'm just filling it in now because this is the last time between now and then when I won't have a feckload of marking to do.
    So put it aside and lump it all on Emma 4 spoty.
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,164

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    Coincidentally, or not, Raducanu was dressed in the colours of the Romanian flag last night. As for how her parents got to the UK - I thought the narrative was that Labour let anyone in.

    Completely barking.

    In what way, just out of interest?

    That you looked at the colours she was wearing and thought “oh, those are the colours of the Romanian flag.”

    Just imagine if someone on the far right pointed this out and said “see, she isn’t really British.”

    I don't know if it was intentional, but if it was I like the idea of someone who is comfortable with multiple identities. I think it's healthy on many levels that she might feel she can do this while clearly also being very proud of being British. If that is bonkers, so be it!

    I well recall the 3 Faces o



    I'm not talking about the middle of the last century. I'm talking this year. People wanted forrin to go home. They voted for brexit to have them go home. They're celebrating the forrin going away - and Romanian migrants are the literal bogeymen. And now celebrate a Romanian migrant as one of their own.

    Perhaps the forrin are only ok when they grow up to speak with the tennis accent and win for their adopted country? Less so when they clean up your mother's piss in a care home.

    There's quite a gap between "wanted forrin to go home" (is there anyone here that you think has that view?) and "wanted some immigration control". You appear to ludicrously treat those two positions as exactly the same.
    On here? No. Out there? Yes, lots. Met a lot on the doorstep including some truly deluded people complaining about how there are too many immigrants in their almost entirely white "largest village in England"

    Not sure what immigration control we have now won that we didn't have before. We have the right to remove people who don't contribute economically but we had that right in the EU. We have the right not to staff the border properly so we can't do basic checks and so that people queue for hours at Heathrow. Again nothing new there.
    The problem is you extract meeting some bigots and then make it sound like most English are the same

    It is frankly insulting to the vast majority of the English who are just as generous as the Scots or Welsh

    You need to attain some balance
    My mental image of RP now is of someone swanning around his Scottish village in sporran and kilt with some bagpipes slung over his back ready to explode into the Flower of Scotland if only someone will ask....
  • ydoethur said:

    Stocky said:

    This is going to be a problem: "the government confirmed to BBC News the daily living costs in a care home - those associated with food, energy bills and the accommodation - will not count towards the cap."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-58442991

    Those are the costs you would still have even if you were not ill I suppose.
    When I was doing my PhD and applying for grants for research trips, I was told they would only pay travel and accommodation, not food. The reasoning was that 'a meal you eat there is a replacement for the meal you would eat here.'

    The minor detail that buying a very cheap ready meal and eating it with bargain basement potatoes from Lidl was in a slightly different financial bracket from buying food of any sort in London, even a sandwich, didn't seem to have occurred to them!
    I think more clarification is needed from HMG. "associated with food" could be costs for preparation and serving it out, which are one of the reasons people need to be in the home. Also "accomodation". If an older person can't support herself in their own accomodation that is another reason they could be in the home.
  • Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Charles said:

    Charles said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    Coincidentally, or not, Raducanu was dressed in the colours of the Romanian flag last night. As for how her parents got to the UK - I thought the narrative was that Labour let anyone in.

    Completely barking.

    In what way, just out of interest?

    That you looked at the colours she was wearing and thought “oh, those are the colours of the Romanian flag.”

    Just imagine if someone on the far right pointed this out and said “see, she isn’t really British.”
    It's something Asian people face all the time. We're never really British in the eyes of some, both left and right do just from different directions.

    Why would someone acknowledging and celebrating their Romanian heritage not really be British?

    You tell me, you're the one inferring something from the Nike dress colours for 2021.

    No, you were inferring that I thought she was not really British because I pointed out she was wearing the colours of the Romanian flag. I am interested in understanding why you think I would think that. Because that is not what I think.

    Well you highlighted it apropos nothing and your follow up sentence was about her parents immigrating to the UK

    I assume you were trolling and feeling morally superior about being a better person than others rather than actually believing it though

    That's a very morally superior post, Charles. Made on the playing field of Eton, I suspect. Just so I understand, are you saying I feel morally superior to others even though I do not believe that I am? If I was as clever as you I would not need that explaining, of course, but as I am not I do. Cheers!

    No. I am saying that you posted something you didn’t believe because it reminded you that (in your estimation) others did believe it and therefore you were a better person.

    Unfortunately, for you, no one bit

    I did believe she was wearing the colours of the Romanian flag. Because she was. I also said I did not know if she was doing it deliberately. For some reason, seems to have triggered a few people on here and has led you to lie about what I said. All very strange.

    So now you’re saying that she, as a girl of half Romanian descent, wore the colours of the Romanian flag ‘accidentally’

    What are the chances of that? Gosh

    No, I am saying I don't know whether she did it intentionally. Which is what I have said from the start.

    No, you just saw a chance to make some pompous yet valueless observation that made you feel virtuous, and superior to Brexiteers and Farageists, but it went off half-cock and now you are embroiled in a tedious debate which makes you look like a bit of a dick

    I’d change the subject if I were you. Good morning!

    Just because you want something to be true does not mean it is true. Though, I do agree that people seeking to second guess me to fit in with their pre-conceived ideas of what motivates someone who does not agree with them on certain political points is rather tedious.
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,164
    Andy_JS said:

    "Why I'd rather be living in 1962: The smoking was ghastly, racism repellent and kids had rotting teeth... but Peter Hitchens revels in his youth"

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-9980737/Why-Id-living-1962-smoking-ghastly-PETER-HITCHENS-revels-youth.html

    I totally get it. The one thing the zealots should not be able to take from us is our past. Of course it's another country but it's ours, warts and all and most of us had a blast.
  • IshmaelZ said:

    TOPPING said:

    DavidL said:

    Official...vaccine passport ditched in England.

    I think that is a mistake. Not a mistake like renewing Cressida Dick's appointment, which made me sick to my stomach, but a mistake. We need to build defences that can operate short of lockdowns if England follows the same trend as Scotland did once the schools went back. The ability to control the congregation of people with vaccine passports is an obvious intermediate step. We will not have that in our armoury. Mistake.
    FWIW Labour is requiring all delegates to the conference to show evidence of double vaccination or have an immediate test. Seems sensible to me. Labour conferences to me are like night-clubs to MaxPB - I love them. However, I would prefer not to get Covid, and if someone with Covid wants to attend they can piss right off. Surely most crowded venues will feel the same?
    Illogical.

    If you are not double vaxxed then you are mainly putting yourself at risk.

    Yes your viral load might be higher. Or it might not be if you are symptom free.

    And as someone who is double vaxxed it would be reasonable to say that Covid for you would be similar to getting the flu.
    "mainly" is not good enough if there is the tiniest chance it might make the difference lockdown/no lockdown. The unvaxxed should be hunted down like rogue replicants after a Voight-Kampff test fail.
    One thing I never quite got about Bladerunner (probably my fave film, top 5 anyway) was if the replicants were all going to shrivel up and die anyway, why the desperate efforts to 'retire' them? The four on earth being hunted down seemed to be content to potter around in scabby apartments with a bit of exotic dancing thrown in. Ok, there was the occasional burst of psychopathic mayhem, but nobody's perfect.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,239
    Lol. Not much doubt HERE





  • IshmaelZ said:

    TOPPING said:

    DavidL said:

    Official...vaccine passport ditched in England.

    I think that is a mistake. Not a mistake like renewing Cressida Dick's appointment, which made me sick to my stomach, but a mistake. We need to build defences that can operate short of lockdowns if England follows the same trend as Scotland did once the schools went back. The ability to control the congregation of people with vaccine passports is an obvious intermediate step. We will not have that in our armoury. Mistake.
    FWIW Labour is requiring all delegates to the conference to show evidence of double vaccination or have an immediate test. Seems sensible to me. Labour conferences to me are like night-clubs to MaxPB - I love them. However, I would prefer not to get Covid, and if someone with Covid wants to attend they can piss right off. Surely most crowded venues will feel the same?
    Illogical.

    If you are not double vaxxed then you are mainly putting yourself at risk.

    Yes your viral load might be higher. Or it might not be if you are symptom free.

    And as someone who is double vaxxed it would be reasonable to say that Covid for you would be similar to getting the flu.
    "mainly" is not good enough if there is the tiniest chance it might make the difference lockdown/no lockdown. The unvaxxed should be hunted down like rogue replicants after a Voight-Kampff test fail.
    You sound unhinged and terrified of your own govt. Take a good holiday
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,128
    That Guardian piece linked above is excellent.

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/sep/12/experts-warn-of-large-hidden-costs-in-uks-social-care-shake-up

    Detailed input from Steve Webb (former Pensions Minister / then Campaigner, now something legal iirc), pointing up some insights.

    Qs:

    What happens if you have a personal pension pot. How much gets drawn down to personal living (not care) costs before it gets topped up? How much goes to care costs? IIRC Private Pensions (eg NHs pension or Corporate Pension) do get taken.

    If your state pension goes to costs, and does not meet them, and you get £5 a day spending money, do things like Pension Credit kick in for care home residents? Where does that go?

    Webb thinks it will take some time for the costs to ramp up. Does that mean we have a lower expenditure taper in for the amount it is going to cost the taxpayer? (Rather helpful for the £12bn suddenly alleged to be vanishing from the NHS budget?)


  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,986
    edited September 2021
    Leon said:

    Lol. Not much doubt HERE

    I don't know if it is her or a really slick PR team, but that is genius.

    EDIT: added extra bit.

    It is slightly surreal that the US Open Champion will take the trophy back to her teenage bedroom in a suburban 3-bed semi*

    *Metaphorically. I have no idea what kind of house they have.
  • Leon said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Leon said:

    Scott_xP said:

    I think that was only US Open match I have ever watched.

    As well as being the only match I can recall where the ball "boys and girls" looked older than the players, where are the line judges?

    Likewise

    And why did the ball always make that snicketty sound as the serve crossed the net, making me think every serve was a let?
    I thought that final ace was a let.
    Yes, me too. Damn stupid
    I wonder if that sound was a squeaky noise from their trainers on the hard surface.

    When I was a teacher in the exam hall the noise always use to annoy me, I originally used to think it was a child whistling.

    :smile:
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,239
    Scott_xP said:

    Leon said:

    Lol. Not much doubt HERE

    I don't know if it is her or a really slick PR team, but that is genius.
    I suspect a shrewd PR team (but who knows, the girl is smart and self-possessed). Either way, yes, a genius bit of social media
  • Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Charles said:

    Charles said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    Coincidentally, or not, Raducanu was dressed in the colours of the Romanian flag last night. As for how her parents got to the UK - I thought the narrative was that Labour let anyone in.

    Completely barking.

    In what way, just out of interest?

    That you looked at the colours she was wearing and thought “oh, those are the colours of the Romanian flag.”

    Just imagine if someone on the far right pointed this out and said “see, she isn’t really British.”
    It's something Asian people face all the time. We're never really British in the eyes of some, both left and right do just from different directions.

    Why would someone acknowledging and celebrating their Romanian heritage not really be British?

    You tell me, you're the one inferring something from the Nike dress colours for 2021.

    No, you were inferring that I thought she was not really British because I pointed out she was wearing the colours of the Romanian flag. I am interested in understanding why you think I would think that. Because that is not what I think.

    Well you highlighted it apropos nothing and your follow up sentence was about her parents immigrating to the UK

    I assume you were trolling and feeling morally superior about being a better person than others rather than actually believing it though

    That's a very morally superior post, Charles. Made on the playing field of Eton, I suspect. Just so I understand, are you saying I feel morally superior to others even though I do not believe that I am? If I was as clever as you I would not need that explaining, of course, but as I am not I do. Cheers!

    No. I am saying that you posted something you didn’t believe because it reminded you that (in your estimation) others did believe it and therefore you were a better person.

    Unfortunately, for you, no one bit

    I did believe she was wearing the colours of the Romanian flag. Because she was. I also said I did not know if she was doing it deliberately. For some reason, seems to have triggered a few people on here and has led you to lie about what I said. All very strange.

    So now you’re saying that she, as a girl of half Romanian descent, wore the colours of the Romanian flag ‘accidentally’

    What are the chances of that? Gosh

    No, I am saying I don't know whether she did it intentionally. Which is what I have said from the start.

    No, you just saw a chance to make some pompous yet valueless observation that made you feel virtuous, and superior to Brexiteers and Farageists, but it went off half-cock and now you are embroiled in a tedious debate which makes you look like a bit of a dick

    I’d change the subject if I were you. Good morning!

    Just because you want something to be true does not mean it is true. Though, I do agree that people seeking to second guess me to fit in with their pre-conceived ideas of what motivates someone who does not agree with them on certain political points is rather tedious.
    For that user to call your contributions pompous and valueless is the height of irony.

    Doesn't matter what the subject is, Leon will butt in with something sexist, irrelevant, pretentious or any combination of the previous. Usually involving an insult and some level of swearing.

    He adds literally nothing to this site.
  • Anyway good news this morning as vax passports scrapped. A ludicrous idea as shown by this tweet from peston

    been double vaxxed (see attached). I was surprised by what looks like high prevalence among the double vaxxed. And according to leading scientists at least part of the explanation is that “vaccine efficacy is not as good as we would like for the Delta variant”. Now

    Double vaxxed in middle aged categories being infected at much higher rate than unvaxxed. Case closed
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,174
    Scott_xP said:

    Leon said:

    Lol. Not much doubt HERE

    I don't know if it is her or a really slick PR team, but that is genius.

    EDIT: added extra bit.

    It is slightly surreal that the US Open Champion will take the trophy back to her teenage bedroom in a suburban 3-bed semi*

    *Metaphorically. I have no idea what kind of house they have.
    They might be able to afford a detached property with her winnings.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,239

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Charles said:

    Charles said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    Coincidentally, or not, Raducanu was dressed in the colours of the Romanian flag last night. As for how her parents got to the UK - I thought the narrative was that Labour let anyone in.

    Completely barking.

    In what way, just out of interest?

    That you looked at the colours she was wearing and thought “oh, those are the colours of the Romanian flag.”

    Just imagine if someone on the far right pointed this out and said “see, she isn’t really British.”
    It's something Asian people face all the time. We're never really British in the eyes of some, both left and right do just from different directions.

    Why would someone acknowledging and celebrating their Romanian heritage not really be British?

    You tell me, you're the one inferring something from the Nike dress colours for 2021.

    No, you were inferring that I thought she was not really British because I pointed out she was wearing the colours of the Romanian flag. I am interested in understanding why you think I would think that. Because that is not what I think.

    Well you highlighted it apropos nothing and your follow up sentence was about her parents immigrating to the UK

    I assume you were trolling and feeling morally superior about being a better person than others rather than actually believing it though

    That's a very morally superior post, Charles. Made on the playing field of Eton, I suspect. Just so I understand, are you saying I feel morally superior to others even though I do not believe that I am? If I was as clever as you I would not need that explaining, of course, but as I am not I do. Cheers!

    No. I am saying that you posted something you didn’t believe because it reminded you that (in your estimation) others did believe it and therefore you were a better person.

    Unfortunately, for you, no one bit

    I did believe she was wearing the colours of the Romanian flag. Because she was. I also said I did not know if she was doing it deliberately. For some reason, seems to have triggered a few people on here and has led you to lie about what I said. All very strange.

    So now you’re saying that she, as a girl of half Romanian descent, wore the colours of the Romanian flag ‘accidentally’

    What are the chances of that? Gosh

    No, I am saying I don't know whether she did it intentionally. Which is what I have said from the start.

    No, you just saw a chance to make some pompous yet valueless observation that made you feel virtuous, and superior to Brexiteers and Farageists, but it went off half-cock and now you are embroiled in a tedious debate which makes you look like a bit of a dick

    I’d change the subject if I were you. Good morning!

    Just because you want something to be true does not mean it is true. Though, I do agree that people seeking to second guess me to fit in with their pre-conceived ideas of what motivates someone who does not agree with them on certain political points is rather tedious.
    Is your sister’s pub reopening despite everything? Saw activity there. Good luck to her if so. And/Or good luck to anyone reopening stuff, esp in London. We need it
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    IshmaelZ said:

    TOPPING said:

    DavidL said:

    Official...vaccine passport ditched in England.

    I think that is a mistake. Not a mistake like renewing Cressida Dick's appointment, which made me sick to my stomach, but a mistake. We need to build defences that can operate short of lockdowns if England follows the same trend as Scotland did once the schools went back. The ability to control the congregation of people with vaccine passports is an obvious intermediate step. We will not have that in our armoury. Mistake.
    FWIW Labour is requiring all delegates to the conference to show evidence of double vaccination or have an immediate test. Seems sensible to me. Labour conferences to me are like night-clubs to MaxPB - I love them. However, I would prefer not to get Covid, and if someone with Covid wants to attend they can piss right off. Surely most crowded venues will feel the same?
    Illogical.

    If you are not double vaxxed then you are mainly putting yourself at risk.

    Yes your viral load might be higher. Or it might not be if you are symptom free.

    And as someone who is double vaxxed it would be reasonable to say that Covid for you would be similar to getting the flu.
    "mainly" is not good enough if there is the tiniest chance it might make the difference lockdown/no lockdown. The unvaxxed should be hunted down like rogue replicants after a Voight-Kampff test fail.
    You sound unhinged and terrified of your own govt. Take a good holiday
    You probably think replicants aren't real.

    I took the red pill.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,128
    And will we see reform of lifetime gifts next month?

    I'm sure there is a couple of billion there.
  • Anyway good news this morning as vax passports scrapped. A ludicrous idea as shown by this tweet from peston

    been double vaxxed (see attached). I was surprised by what looks like high prevalence among the double vaxxed. And according to leading scientists at least part of the explanation is that “vaccine efficacy is not as good as we would like for the Delta variant”. Now

    Double vaxxed in middle aged categories being infected at much higher rate than unvaxxed. Case closed

    And there we have proof of why Preston’s tweet was so dangerous.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,926

    Anyway good news this morning as vax passports scrapped. A ludicrous idea as shown by this tweet from peston

    been double vaxxed (see attached). I was surprised by what looks like high prevalence among the double vaxxed. And according to leading scientists at least part of the explanation is that “vaccine efficacy is not as good as we would like for the Delta variant”. Now

    Double vaxxed in middle aged categories being infected at much higher rate than unvaxxed. Case closed

    And there we have proof of why Preston’s tweet was so dangerous.
    What's he said this time? As for the differing rates, isn't that just because there are many many more vaccinated people these days?
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,479
    IshmaelZ said:

    Leon said:

    Scott_xP said:

    I think that was only US Open match I have ever watched.

    As well as being the only match I can recall where the ball "boys and girls" looked older than the players, where are the line judges?

    Likewise

    And why did the ball always make that snicketty sound as the serve crossed the net, making me think every serve was a let?
    I thought that final ace was a let.
    Yes, me too. Lots of serves sounded like a let. Is there any explanation why several shots sound like a net cord when the ball manifestly didn’t touch the net?
  • tlg86 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Leon said:

    Lol. Not much doubt HERE

    I don't know if it is her or a really slick PR team, but that is genius.

    EDIT: added extra bit.

    It is slightly surreal that the US Open Champion will take the trophy back to her teenage bedroom in a suburban 3-bed semi*

    *Metaphorically. I have no idea what kind of house they have.
    They might be able to afford a detached property with her winnings.
    ....just...
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,814

    Charles said:

    Charles said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    Coincidentally, or not, Raducanu was dressed in the colours of the Romanian flag last night. As for how her parents got to the UK - I thought the narrative was that Labour let anyone in.

    Completely barking.

    In what way, just out of interest?

    That you looked at the colours she was wearing and thought “oh, those are the colours of the Romanian flag.”

    Just imagine if someone on the far right pointed this out and said “see, she isn’t really British.”
    It's something Asian people face all the time. We're never really British in the eyes of some, both left and right do just from different directions.

    Why would someone acknowledging and celebrating their Romanian heritage not really be British?

    You tell me, you're the one inferring something from the Nike dress colours for 2021.

    No, you were inferring that I thought she was not really British because I pointed out she was wearing the colours of the Romanian flag. I am interested in understanding why you think I would think that. Because that is not what I think.

    Well you highlighted it apropos nothing and your follow up sentence was about her parents immigrating to the UK

    I assume you were trolling and feeling morally superior about being a better person than others rather than actually believing it though

    That's a very morally superior post, Charles. Made on the playing field of Eton, I suspect. Just so I understand, are you saying I feel morally superior to others even though I do not believe that I am? If I was as clever as you I would not need that explaining, of course, but as I am not I do. Cheers!

    No. I am saying that you posted something you didn’t believe because it reminded you that (in your estimation) others did believe it and therefore you were a better person.

    Unfortunately, for you, no one bit
    I now can't work out why I noticed she was wearing the colours of the Romanian flag. Am I morally superior or a racist?
    When you were young, you had an Airfix MiG in Romanian markings?
  • tlg86 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Leon said:

    Lol. Not much doubt HERE

    I don't know if it is her or a really slick PR team, but that is genius.

    EDIT: added extra bit.

    It is slightly surreal that the US Open Champion will take the trophy back to her teenage bedroom in a suburban 3-bed semi*

    *Metaphorically. I have no idea what kind of house they have.
    They might be able to afford a detached property with her winnings.
    ....just...
    Reputed she will earn 50 million this year alone
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    MattW said:

    And will we see reform of lifetime gifts next month?

    I'm sure there is a couple of billion there.

    Had this conv the other day. Might collapse the housing market as removes an incentive to gift deposits, and won't hit the really big estates because they already put everything in trust decades ago. A hard left govt might attack the trusts but not this one.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,814
    Charles said:

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    Coincidentally, or not, Raducanu was dressed in the colours of the Romanian flag last night. As for how her parents got to the UK - I thought the narrative was that Labour let anyone in.

    Completely barking.

    In what way, just out of interest?

    That you looked at the colours she was wearing and thought “oh, those are the colours of the Romanian flag.”

    Just imagine if someone on the far right pointed this out and said “see, she isn’t really British.”
    It's something Asian people face all the time. We're never really British in the eyes of some, both left and right do just from different directions.

    Why would someone acknowledging and celebrating their Romanian heritage not really be British?

    You tell me, you're the one inferring something from the Nike dress colours for 2021.

    No, you were inferring that I thought she was not really British because I pointed out she was wearing the colours of the Romanian flag. I am interested in understanding why you think I would think that. Because that is not what I think.

    I thought the same as you when I saw the colours. I've read she's spent a lot of time in Romania and has a real connection with the place - apparently Simona Halep was/is her favourite player. I'd be surprised if she wasn't aware of the colours matching the Romanian flag, and hadn't thought of her grandmother when she picked the outfit.

    But it seems not.. it's much more girly!

    "But honestly, I really like the colour red and out of all the outfits that was my favourite one"
    https://www.givemesport.com/1750350-emma-raducanu-says-she-wont-change-trademark-red-outfit-for-us-open-semifinal
    The Romanian colours are red, blue and yellow equally - in a French-style tricolor, and in the air force roundel

    https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Roundel_of_Romania.svg

    Most of her dress is red and blue. The only yellow is in her quite separate cap, so it's fairly marginal anyway. It's not in your face at all.
    You're forgetting to mix the Romanian flag with the Chinese flag. If you then add in Canada and subtract the butcher's apron, I'm pretty sure you get left with exactly her outfit.
    Heaven forfend!
    PRC = red and yellow
    Romania = r, y and blue
    Canada = white and r
    MINUS UK = r, w, b
    ==========
    yellow alone



    Nah

    PRC+ROM+CAN - UK

    (r+y) + (r+y+b) + (w+r) - (r+w+b)

    = 2r + 2y
    Just a different logic system. But neither make sense of the lady's kit.
  • Andy_JS said:

    "Why I'd rather be living in 1962: The smoking was ghastly, racism repellent and kids had rotting teeth... but Peter Hitchens revels in his youth"

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-9980737/Why-Id-living-1962-smoking-ghastly-PETER-HITCHENS-revels-youth.html

    I wouldn't want to live there permanently but I'd love to visit. Spend a few nights in the Cavern Club and the Marquee Club for starters, watch some of the newly introduced Deltics on the ECML perhaps. Travel on some of the lovely branch lines before Beeching closed them.
  • RobD said:

    Anyway good news this morning as vax passports scrapped. A ludicrous idea as shown by this tweet from peston

    been double vaxxed (see attached). I was surprised by what looks like high prevalence among the double vaxxed. And according to leading scientists at least part of the explanation is that “vaccine efficacy is not as good as we would like for the Delta variant”. Now

    Double vaxxed in middle aged categories being infected at much higher rate than unvaxxed. Case closed

    And there we have proof of why Preston’s tweet was so dangerous.
    What's he said this time? As for the differing rates, isn't that just because there are many many more vaccinated people these days?
    It was quoted on a thread yesterday, but I think the gist of it was to note that most people now catching COVID have been double jabbed without taking into account the fact that a large majority of the adult population are in that category and so misleading people into thinking the vaccines don’t work.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,399
    At the risk of making this worse.
    I can see her wearing red with blue trim. 2 of the colours of Romania, sure. But 2 of the UK too.
    To be implying Romania there'd need to be yellow. That's what I associate the Romanian football and rugby team with.
  • RobD said:

    Anyway good news this morning as vax passports scrapped. A ludicrous idea as shown by this tweet from peston

    been double vaxxed (see attached). I was surprised by what looks like high prevalence among the double vaxxed. And according to leading scientists at least part of the explanation is that “vaccine efficacy is not as good as we would like for the Delta variant”. Now

    Double vaxxed in middle aged categories being infected at much higher rate than unvaxxed. Case closed

    And there we have proof of why Preston’s tweet was so dangerous.
    What's he said this time? As for the differing rates, isn't that just because there are many many more vaccinated people these days?
    No read his tweet. Rates of infection per 100000 are higher in middle aged double jabbed. Hence vaccine passports are a ludicrous idea
  • MattW said:

    And will we see reform of lifetime gifts next month?

    I'm sure there is a couple of billion there.

    Rishi October budget has to inject fairness into the scheme

    It was interesting that Jon Ashworth refused to commit to abolitioning the 1.25% hypothecated NI increase in the media today

    Indeed he had nothing to say on raising the billions needed
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,098
    dixiedean said:

    At the risk of making this worse.
    I can see her wearing red with blue trim. 2 of the colours of Romania, sure. But 2 of the UK too.
    To be implying Romania there'd need to be yellow. That's what I associate the Romanian football and rugby team with.

    Yellow visor, DD.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,239
    edited September 2021
    Now that super-brilliant Brit Emma Raducanu has brought tennis HOME (in her own words) we should do the same with all the other sports we invented, meaning that we get to win almost every single major sporting event in the world, all the time, forever. I’m cool with that

    The Germans can take korfball home (please), and the French can have that ‘throwing steel rocks while drunk on pastis’ thing they do

    The Toltecs can take basketball home to Oaxaca
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,174
    dixiedean said:

    At the risk of making this worse.
    I can see her wearing red with blue trim. 2 of the colours of Romania, sure. But 2 of the UK too.
    To be implying Romania there'd need to be yellow. That's what I associate the Romanian football and rugby team with.

    She had a yellow cap on during the match. The dress is the standard issue Nike dress for 2021 (available for £59.99).
  • Leon struggling to keep it in his pants, very odd man
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,399
    kinabalu said:

    dixiedean said:

    At the risk of making this worse.
    I can see her wearing red with blue trim. 2 of the colours of Romania, sure. But 2 of the UK too.
    To be implying Romania there'd need to be yellow. That's what I associate the Romanian football and rugby team with.

    Yellow visor, DD.
    Ah. OK. I really didn’t notice. But I am famously unobservant.
    Maybe this kind of thing is why Wimbledon insists on white.?
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,128
    edited September 2021
    ..

    (Just going for lunch)
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,098

    IshmaelZ said:

    Leon said:

    Scott_xP said:

    I think that was only US Open match I have ever watched.

    As well as being the only match I can recall where the ball "boys and girls" looked older than the players, where are the line judges?

    Likewise

    And why did the ball always make that snicketty sound as the serve crossed the net, making me think every serve was a let?
    I thought that final ace was a let.
    Yes, me too. Lots of serves sounded like a let. Is there any explanation why several shots sound like a net cord when the ball manifestly didn’t touch the net?
    I noticed that. It was weird. A relief that others did too. I was worried I was hearing things.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,814
    edited September 2021

    Andy_JS said:

    "Why I'd rather be living in 1962: The smoking was ghastly, racism repellent and kids had rotting teeth... but Peter Hitchens revels in his youth"

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-9980737/Why-Id-living-1962-smoking-ghastly-PETER-HITCHENS-revels-youth.html

    I wouldn't want to live there permanently but I'd love to visit. Spend a few nights in the Cavern Club and the Marquee Club for starters, watch some of the newly introduced Deltics on the ECML perhaps. Travel on some of the lovely branch lines before Beeching closed them.
    Sudden triggering of a memory of seaside holidays then within a short walk of the ECML and being taken by my father and the dog to sit on a gatepost and watch the Deltics thunder past - must have been some steam locos but I was just too young to remember them.
  • 40 to 49 rates of infection per 100000 double jabbed 1116
    Rates of infection per 100000 unvaccinated 880
    See the problem
  • I sense we're a baw hair away from comparing the Pantone shades of the Romanian flag with those of Raducanu's get up. It'll make the recent O2 stushie look Socratic.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,239
    kinabalu said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Leon said:

    Scott_xP said:

    I think that was only US Open match I have ever watched.

    As well as being the only match I can recall where the ball "boys and girls" looked older than the players, where are the line judges?

    Likewise

    And why did the ball always make that snicketty sound as the serve crossed the net, making me think every serve was a let?
    I thought that final ace was a let.
    Yes, me too. Lots of serves sounded like a let. Is there any explanation why several shots sound like a net cord when the ball manifestly didn’t touch the net?
    I noticed that. It was weird. A relief that others did too. I was worried I was hearing things.
    Last night it was suggested they have a microphone attached to the net which ‘always’ registers a sound if the ball just comes close. If so, it is ridiculous. Why even broadcast that?!
  • 50 to 59 rates of infection per 100000 962
    Rates of infection per 100000 unvaccinated 729
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,814

    I sense we're a baw hair away from comparing the Pantone shades of the Romanian flag with those of Raducanu's get up. It'll make the recent O2 stushie look Socratic.

    O2 stushie?
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,098

    IshmaelZ said:

    TOPPING said:

    DavidL said:

    Official...vaccine passport ditched in England.

    I think that is a mistake. Not a mistake like renewing Cressida Dick's appointment, which made me sick to my stomach, but a mistake. We need to build defences that can operate short of lockdowns if England follows the same trend as Scotland did once the schools went back. The ability to control the congregation of people with vaccine passports is an obvious intermediate step. We will not have that in our armoury. Mistake.
    FWIW Labour is requiring all delegates to the conference to show evidence of double vaccination or have an immediate test. Seems sensible to me. Labour conferences to me are like night-clubs to MaxPB - I love them. However, I would prefer not to get Covid, and if someone with Covid wants to attend they can piss right off. Surely most crowded venues will feel the same?
    Illogical.

    If you are not double vaxxed then you are mainly putting yourself at risk.

    Yes your viral load might be higher. Or it might not be if you are symptom free.

    And as someone who is double vaxxed it would be reasonable to say that Covid for you would be similar to getting the flu.
    "mainly" is not good enough if there is the tiniest chance it might make the difference lockdown/no lockdown. The unvaxxed should be hunted down like rogue replicants after a Voight-Kampff test fail.
    One thing I never quite got about Bladerunner (probably my fave film, top 5 anyway) was if the replicants were all going to shrivel up and die anyway, why the desperate efforts to 'retire' them? The four on earth being hunted down seemed to be content to potter around in scabby apartments with a bit of exotic dancing thrown in. Ok, there was the occasional burst of psychopathic mayhem, but nobody's perfect.
    I have never seen that film. On a list of "shouda, havna" it has to be towards the top.
  • Carnyx said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Why I'd rather be living in 1962: The smoking was ghastly, racism repellent and kids had rotting teeth... but Peter Hitchens revels in his youth"

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-9980737/Why-Id-living-1962-smoking-ghastly-PETER-HITCHENS-revels-youth.html

    I wouldn't want to live there permanently but I'd love to visit. Spend a few nights in the Cavern Club and the Marquee Club for starters, watch some of the newly introduced Deltics on the ECML perhaps. Travel on some of the lovely branch lines before Beeching closed them.
    Sudden triggering of a memory of seaside holidays then within a short walk of the ECML and being taken by my father and the dog to sit on a gatepost and watch the Deltics thunder past - must have been some steam locos but I was just too young to remember them.
    They are incredible machines.
    My 15yo daughter now wears the DPS sweatshirt I had when I was a kid, it looks much cooler on her. She has no interest in Deltics but the top is now "vintage" apparently and gets much praise from the cool kids.
  • kinabalu said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Leon said:

    Scott_xP said:

    I think that was only US Open match I have ever watched.

    As well as being the only match I can recall where the ball "boys and girls" looked older than the players, where are the line judges?

    Likewise

    And why did the ball always make that snicketty sound as the serve crossed the net, making me think every serve was a let?
    I thought that final ace was a let.
    Yes, me too. Lots of serves sounded like a let. Is there any explanation why several shots sound like a net cord when the ball manifestly didn’t touch the net?
    I noticed that. It was weird. A relief that others did too. I was worried I was hearing things.
    You could fcuk with the PB old pervs' heads and suggest that it was the post serve noise made by nubile flesh brushing against clothing?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,239
    Haha

    ‘I'd like to congratulate Emma Raducanu for her amazing vindication of my politics. Some doubted that this brave young woman could affirm my beliefs but she rose above the sceptics and completely justified all of my ideological priors.’

    https://twitter.com/bdsixsmith/status/1437007256881664000?s=21
  • RobD said:

    Anyway good news this morning as vax passports scrapped. A ludicrous idea as shown by this tweet from peston

    been double vaxxed (see attached). I was surprised by what looks like high prevalence among the double vaxxed. And according to leading scientists at least part of the explanation is that “vaccine efficacy is not as good as we would like for the Delta variant”. Now

    Double vaxxed in middle aged categories being infected at much higher rate than unvaxxed. Case closed

    And there we have proof of why Preston’s tweet was so dangerous.
    What's he said this time? As for the differing rates, isn't that just because there are many many more vaccinated people these days?
    It was quoted on a thread yesterday, but I think the gist of it was to note that most people now catching COVID have been double jabbed without taking into account the fact that a large majority of the adult population are in that category and so misleading people into thinking the vaccines don’t work.
    Its rates per 100000 so it takes into account that
  • Andy_JS said:

    "Why I'd rather be living in 1962: The smoking was ghastly, racism repellent and kids had rotting teeth... but Peter Hitchens revels in his youth"

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-9980737/Why-Id-living-1962-smoking-ghastly-PETER-HITCHENS-revels-youth.html

    I wouldn't want to live there permanently but I'd love to visit. Spend a few nights in the Cavern Club and the Marquee Club for starters, watch some of the newly introduced Deltics on the ECML perhaps. Travel on some of the lovely branch lines before Beeching closed them.
    Hmm.

    It was especially safe for children, and we were allowed to roam the suburbs and the countryside, on foot and by bike, quite unsupervised in a way that now seems utterly impossible. But it was so.

    The most infamous child murders in British history - the Moors Murders - began a year later. Is Hitchens really saying that everything was all wonderful and safe for children until the clock struck midnight on 31 December 1962 - then all hell broke loose?
  • VerulamiusVerulamius Posts: 1,543
    Lets say your total assessed income tax bill under self assessment is S+X where S is the amount of tax deducted at source (eg PAYE), ie X is the additional amount of income tax collected under self assessment.

    Then you have to make payments on account for the following tax year if

    X>=£1,000

    and

    4X>=S

    It is possible in certain situations for this to be collected under PAYE by adjusting your code.
  • RobD said:

    Anyway good news this morning as vax passports scrapped. A ludicrous idea as shown by this tweet from peston

    been double vaxxed (see attached). I was surprised by what looks like high prevalence among the double vaxxed. And according to leading scientists at least part of the explanation is that “vaccine efficacy is not as good as we would like for the Delta variant”. Now

    Double vaxxed in middle aged categories being infected at much higher rate than unvaxxed. Case closed

    And there we have proof of why Preston’s tweet was so dangerous.
    What's he said this time? As for the differing rates, isn't that just because there are many many more vaccinated people these days?
    It was quoted on a thread yesterday, but I think the gist of it was to note that most people now catching COVID have been double jabbed without taking into account the fact that a large majority of the adult population are in that category and so misleading people into thinking the vaccines don’t work.
    Honestly read his tweet instead of bringing your own biases into play
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,814

    RobD said:

    Anyway good news this morning as vax passports scrapped. A ludicrous idea as shown by this tweet from peston

    been double vaxxed (see attached). I was surprised by what looks like high prevalence among the double vaxxed. And according to leading scientists at least part of the explanation is that “vaccine efficacy is not as good as we would like for the Delta variant”. Now

    Double vaxxed in middle aged categories being infected at much higher rate than unvaxxed. Case closed

    And there we have proof of why Preston’s tweet was so dangerous.
    What's he said this time? As for the differing rates, isn't that just because there are many many more vaccinated people these days?
    It was quoted on a thread yesterday, but I think the gist of it was to note that most people now catching COVID have been double jabbed without taking into account the fact that a large majority of the adult population are in that category and so misleading people into thinking the vaccines don’t work.
    Its rates per 100000 so it takes into account that
    But which 100000? Gen population or each category?
  • Carnyx said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Why I'd rather be living in 1962: The smoking was ghastly, racism repellent and kids had rotting teeth... but Peter Hitchens revels in his youth"

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-9980737/Why-Id-living-1962-smoking-ghastly-PETER-HITCHENS-revels-youth.html

    I wouldn't want to live there permanently but I'd love to visit. Spend a few nights in the Cavern Club and the Marquee Club for starters, watch some of the newly introduced Deltics on the ECML perhaps. Travel on some of the lovely branch lines before Beeching closed them.
    Sudden triggering of a memory of seaside holidays then within a short walk of the ECML and being taken by my father and the dog to sit on a gatepost and watch the Deltics thunder past - must have been some steam locos but I was just too young to remember them.
    I was never particularly a fan of the Deltics - they were (just) before my time. Had a fondness for Tulyar, though. I love the 45s and 37s. Can't stand the 47s for some reason, and the 40s leave me cold. Which is odd, because my choices seem rather random, looks-wise!

    BTW, I was listening to a podcast this morning and it mentioned carnyxes (carnyii?). Obviously wondered why a PBer would be at an battle against a Roman legion ... ;)

    (I know none of this is anything to do with politics, but it seems better than dissecting and decoding a young woman's outfit...)
  • Carnyx said:

    RobD said:

    Anyway good news this morning as vax passports scrapped. A ludicrous idea as shown by this tweet from peston

    been double vaxxed (see attached). I was surprised by what looks like high prevalence among the double vaxxed. And according to leading scientists at least part of the explanation is that “vaccine efficacy is not as good as we would like for the Delta variant”. Now

    Double vaxxed in middle aged categories being infected at much higher rate than unvaxxed. Case closed

    And there we have proof of why Preston’s tweet was so dangerous.
    What's he said this time? As for the differing rates, isn't that just because there are many many more vaccinated people these days?
    It was quoted on a thread yesterday, but I think the gist of it was to note that most people now catching COVID have been double jabbed without taking into account the fact that a large majority of the adult population are in that category and so misleading people into thinking the vaccines don’t work.
    Its rates per 100000 so it takes into account that
    But which 100000? Gen population or each category?
    In each category. In middle aged people rates of infection are higher in double jabbed. Just read his tweet
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,926

    RobD said:

    Anyway good news this morning as vax passports scrapped. A ludicrous idea as shown by this tweet from peston

    been double vaxxed (see attached). I was surprised by what looks like high prevalence among the double vaxxed. And according to leading scientists at least part of the explanation is that “vaccine efficacy is not as good as we would like for the Delta variant”. Now

    Double vaxxed in middle aged categories being infected at much higher rate than unvaxxed. Case closed

    And there we have proof of why Preston’s tweet was so dangerous.
    What's he said this time? As for the differing rates, isn't that just because there are many many more vaccinated people these days?
    No read his tweet. Rates of infection per 100000 are higher in middle aged double jabbed. Hence vaccine passports are a ludicrous idea
    The report gives some rather more mundane reasons to explain the differences. For example, if you aren't going for a vaccine because of some ideological reason, are you really going to have a government covid test?
  • Peston is a disgrace with that Tweet
  • No surprise bojo has lowest ever approval rating. Rising costs and taxes are now hitting people in the pocket seriously. The same people who probably thought we could lockdown for months on end cost free
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,098
    Leon said:

    Just realised who Emma Raducanu reminds me of. Tiger Woods. Both of mixed European/Asian descent. Both have this completely calm self-confidence. And supreme skill. She could dominate female tennis the way Woods dominated golf

    Obviously there are differences. She has is more charming (tho that could just be her youth). Hopefully she won’t echo Woods’ later career…

    And the manner of her breakthrough. Seed 150, a qualifier, only 2nd major, no sets dropped, goes on to win. That is unprecedented in top world sport. The only comparison that occurs to me is one of those amateur Spanish matadors that used to jump out of the crowd and fight the bull with such style they went on to be huge pro stars.

    Good spot. That was my first thought as a cf. She won't end up quite that mega - TW was Michael Jackson with clubs - but yes, definite similarities. Tiger WAS pretty charming with the media, btw, when he first hit the big time. One slight difference is he was a noted child prodigy in golf, and all fans of the sport knew about him as a junior.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,239
    This is genuinely impressive


    ‘🏆 Congratulations to @EmmaRaducanu! 👏🏼
    A peak audience of 9.2m watched her historic #USOpenFinal victory on @Channel4 - a 39.9% share of total audience & 48% of 16-34 year olds’

    Add in the Amazon viewers and the catch-up viewers…. She’s turned an entire new generation of Brits into tennis fans. Her value to the sport is monumental

    https://twitter.com/c4press/status/1436982616574636032?s=21
  • RobD said:

    Anyway good news this morning as vax passports scrapped. A ludicrous idea as shown by this tweet from peston

    been double vaxxed (see attached). I was surprised by what looks like high prevalence among the double vaxxed. And according to leading scientists at least part of the explanation is that “vaccine efficacy is not as good as we would like for the Delta variant”. Now

    Double vaxxed in middle aged categories being infected at much higher rate than unvaxxed. Case closed

    And there we have proof of why Preston’s tweet was so dangerous.
    What's he said this time? As for the differing rates, isn't that just because there are many many more vaccinated people these days?
    It was quoted on a thread yesterday, but I think the gist of it was to note that most people now catching COVID have been double jabbed without taking into account the fact that a large majority of the adult population are in that category and so misleading people into thinking the vaccines don’t work.
    The criticism of Peston for not understanding Bayes theorem or base rates was misplaced imo and you need to go back a step. The problem is misunderstanding what the vaccines do. If your view of the vaccine is the binary one that it prevents infection then the sceptics are right: the vaccine does not do that all the time.

    The oft-used analogy with seatbelts is again misleading because no-one thinks seatbelts prevent road accidents (or collisions) or deaths but that they stop people being thrown through windscreens.
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,362

    RobD said:

    Anyway good news this morning as vax passports scrapped. A ludicrous idea as shown by this tweet from peston

    been double vaxxed (see attached). I was surprised by what looks like high prevalence among the double vaxxed. And according to leading scientists at least part of the explanation is that “vaccine efficacy is not as good as we would like for the Delta variant”. Now

    Double vaxxed in middle aged categories being infected at much higher rate than unvaxxed. Case closed

    And there we have proof of why Preston’s tweet was so dangerous.
    What's he said this time? As for the differing rates, isn't that just because there are many many more vaccinated people these days?
    It was quoted on a thread yesterday, but I think the gist of it was to note that most people now catching COVID have been double jabbed without taking into account the fact that a large majority of the adult population are in that category and so misleading people into thinking the vaccines don’t work.
    Its rates per 100000 so it takes into account that
    https://twitter.com/jamesward73/status/1436704007251185670?s=21
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,814

    Carnyx said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Why I'd rather be living in 1962: The smoking was ghastly, racism repellent and kids had rotting teeth... but Peter Hitchens revels in his youth"

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-9980737/Why-Id-living-1962-smoking-ghastly-PETER-HITCHENS-revels-youth.html

    I wouldn't want to live there permanently but I'd love to visit. Spend a few nights in the Cavern Club and the Marquee Club for starters, watch some of the newly introduced Deltics on the ECML perhaps. Travel on some of the lovely branch lines before Beeching closed them.
    Sudden triggering of a memory of seaside holidays then within a short walk of the ECML and being taken by my father and the dog to sit on a gatepost and watch the Deltics thunder past - must have been some steam locos but I was just too young to remember them.
    I was never particularly a fan of the Deltics - they were (just) before my time. Had a fondness for Tulyar, though. I love the 45s and 37s. Can't stand the 47s for some reason, and the 40s leave me cold. Which is odd, because my choices seem rather random, looks-wise!

    BTW, I was listening to a podcast this morning and it mentioned carnyxes (carnyii?). Obviously wondered why a PBer would be at an battle against a Roman legion ... ;)

    (I know none of this is anything to do with politics, but it seems better than dissecting and decoding a young woman's outfit...)
    Sometimes went to London to see the relatives on the ECML, Deltic-hauled. Mum used to break the journey with lunch in the restaurant car. Deftly served off silver dishes. Happy memories.

    Can't remember if I mentioned my late Dad managed to get us inside a Deltic at Waverley when they were very new - it was only when writing the address for his funeral that I put 2 plus 2 together and remembered he'd served on Ton class minesweepers when in the RNR, which of course had Deltic diesels as well. I found the manual in his attic.

    Also a soft spot as a wee lad for the Class 15s and similar with the cab at one end or better still in the middle which ran on the small local goods/colliery lines in Scotland!

    Plural is carnyces BTW.

    https://www.nms.ac.uk/explore-our-collections/stories/scottish-history-and-archaeology/deskford-carnyx/
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auR-lJfzTeY
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,577

    Carnyx said:

    RobD said:

    Anyway good news this morning as vax passports scrapped. A ludicrous idea as shown by this tweet from peston

    been double vaxxed (see attached). I was surprised by what looks like high prevalence among the double vaxxed. And according to leading scientists at least part of the explanation is that “vaccine efficacy is not as good as we would like for the Delta variant”. Now

    Double vaxxed in middle aged categories being infected at much higher rate than unvaxxed. Case closed

    And there we have proof of why Preston’s tweet was so dangerous.
    What's he said this time? As for the differing rates, isn't that just because there are many many more vaccinated people these days?
    It was quoted on a thread yesterday, but I think the gist of it was to note that most people now catching COVID have been double jabbed without taking into account the fact that a large majority of the adult population are in that category and so misleading people into thinking the vaccines don’t work.
    Its rates per 100000 so it takes into account that
    But which 100000? Gen population or each category?
    In each category. In middle aged people rates of infection are higher in double jabbed. Just read his tweet
    And the hospitalisations?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,926
    edited September 2021
    Taz said:

    RobD said:

    Anyway good news this morning as vax passports scrapped. A ludicrous idea as shown by this tweet from peston

    been double vaxxed (see attached). I was surprised by what looks like high prevalence among the double vaxxed. And according to leading scientists at least part of the explanation is that “vaccine efficacy is not as good as we would like for the Delta variant”. Now

    Double vaxxed in middle aged categories being infected at much higher rate than unvaxxed. Case closed

    And there we have proof of why Preston’s tweet was so dangerous.
    What's he said this time? As for the differing rates, isn't that just because there are many many more vaccinated people these days?
    It was quoted on a thread yesterday, but I think the gist of it was to note that most people now catching COVID have been double jabbed without taking into account the fact that a large majority of the adult population are in that category and so misleading people into thinking the vaccines don’t work.
    Its rates per 100000 so it takes into account that
    https://twitter.com/jamesward73/status/1436704007251185670?s=21
    I mean the report does caveat the results. But he clearly didn't bother reading the text associated with the table.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 13,871
    Afternoon all :)

    Just back from the morning/very early afternoon constitutional. Mask wearing in East Ham 5% including in shops. The two groups still wearing are older asian men and women, who I suspect (though have no evidence) have not been vaccinated and some younger people (a few teenagers). Otherwise, I'll avoid the stentorian pronouncements.

    Norway votes tomorrow - the Kantar poll late last evening told us nothing new. The centre-left bloc looks on course for a convincing win - the Kantar poll has roughly a 51-39 lead.

    Congratulations to Emma Raducanu on winning the US Open. I confess tennis isn't really my sport - to me, events at The Curragh and Longchamp this afternoon are of much more interest - but it seems the women's game is currently in a period of transition and it may be she will become part of the new elite. I imagine she will be competitive in Australia but whether she will be as effective on clay for example I have no idea.

    Nearer to home, it's clear the Government is now in all-out "charm offensive" mode plying us with good news by the bucket load. The modern mouthpiece of the Conservative Party, the Daily Express, seems not to let a day go by without leading with some press release promising utopia from either the Prime Minister or the Chancellor.

    Psychologically and culturally, I'm finding the current "mood" fascinating. In some quarters, there an almost pathological desire to return to "normal", i.e.: pre-Covid life, mores et al. It's based on a desire to compartmentalise and forget the last 16 months almost to the point of denying they happened. If we party hard enough and long enough and loud enough we'll never have to think about lockdown again. That could be called the "Roaring Twenties" approach, Carpe Diem, life is for living, you're wasting life if you aren't living it etc.

    And yet...

    Covid has changed us, whether we acknowledge it or not. Obviously, those who have had it and especially those for whom it was a genuinely life-threatening experience (and indeed for those for whom it has become a life-changing experience), as well as for those close to them, the change may be fundamental.

    For those who have not had it, life has also changed and how we process our experiences individually will vary. For some, hope has been replaced by fear, for others it's made little difference. A lot will, I think, depend on where you are in life, your personal circumstances and your psychological make-up. Some will have found strength they never knew they had, others will have seen a part of themselves they possibly didn't like.

    I've never been a fan of Governments telling me what to do or how to live my life. The current messaging is about as subtle as being slapped in the face with a wet fish (thank you M.Python) but it ignores the undercurrents which will emerge with time.
  • tlg86 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    I think that was only US Open match I have ever watched.

    As well as being the only match I can recall where the ball "boys and girls" looked older than the players, where are the line judges?

    All line decisions done with Hawkeye (or whatever it is they use). Not sure about calling foot faults.

    Will be interesting if the other tournaments do the same.
    That explains why the players never appealed for a Hawkeye review!

    I hadn't actually noticed the lack of line judges on court.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,239
    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Just realised who Emma Raducanu reminds me of. Tiger Woods. Both of mixed European/Asian descent. Both have this completely calm self-confidence. And supreme skill. She could dominate female tennis the way Woods dominated golf

    Obviously there are differences. She has is more charming (tho that could just be her youth). Hopefully she won’t echo Woods’ later career…

    And the manner of her breakthrough. Seed 150, a qualifier, only 2nd major, no sets dropped, goes on to win. That is unprecedented in top world sport. The only comparison that occurs to me is one of those amateur Spanish matadors that used to jump out of the crowd and fight the bull with such style they went on to be huge pro stars.

    Good spot. That was my first thought as a cf. She won't end up quite that mega - TW was Michael Jackson with clubs - but yes, definite similarities. Tiger WAS pretty charming with the media, btw, when he first hit the big time. One slight difference is he was a noted child prodigy in golf, and all fans of the sport knew about him as a junior.
    She could easily out-Tiger the Tiger. Tennis is potentially bigger than golf (if it isn’t already). She’s also young, female and extremely telegenic and she has that backstory that everyone can get behind - in their different ways.

    She could be THE biggest sports star in the world (excepting football, of course)

    Can she handle the pressure, tho? She looks like she can, but wow. Wimbledon next year will be insane, for her
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,978
    edited September 2021
    Leon said:

    This is genuinely impressive


    ‘🏆 Congratulations to @EmmaRaducanu! 👏🏼
    A peak audience of 9.2m watched her historic #USOpenFinal victory on @Channel4 - a 39.9% share of total audience & 48% of 16-34 year olds’

    Add in the Amazon viewers and the catch-up viewers…. She’s turned an entire new generation of Brits into tennis fans. Her value to the sport is monumental

    https://twitter.com/c4press/status/1436982616574636032?s=21

    Bet lot of BBC management pissed off...they got right royally stitched up.
  • MangoMango Posts: 1,019

    Johnson's pitch will be "Trust Me" after having consistently and demonstrably lied for a number of years.

    So the same as the last election then?
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,814

    Carnyx said:

    RobD said:

    Anyway good news this morning as vax passports scrapped. A ludicrous idea as shown by this tweet from peston

    been double vaxxed (see attached). I was surprised by what looks like high prevalence among the double vaxxed. And according to leading scientists at least part of the explanation is that “vaccine efficacy is not as good as we would like for the Delta variant”. Now

    Double vaxxed in middle aged categories being infected at much higher rate than unvaxxed. Case closed

    And there we have proof of why Preston’s tweet was so dangerous.
    What's he said this time? As for the differing rates, isn't that just because there are many many more vaccinated people these days?
    It was quoted on a thread yesterday, but I think the gist of it was to note that most people now catching COVID have been double jabbed without taking into account the fact that a large majority of the adult population are in that category and so misleading people into thinking the vaccines don’t work.
    Its rates per 100000 so it takes into account that
    But which 100000? Gen population or each category?
    In each category. In middle aged people rates of infection are higher in double jabbed. Just read his tweet

    Carnyx said:

    RobD said:

    Anyway good news this morning as vax passports scrapped. A ludicrous idea as shown by this tweet from peston

    been double vaxxed (see attached). I was surprised by what looks like high prevalence among the double vaxxed. And according to leading scientists at least part of the explanation is that “vaccine efficacy is not as good as we would like for the Delta variant”. Now

    Double vaxxed in middle aged categories being infected at much higher rate than unvaxxed. Case closed

    And there we have proof of why Preston’s tweet was so dangerous.
    What's he said this time? As for the differing rates, isn't that just because there are many many more vaccinated people these days?
    It was quoted on a thread yesterday, but I think the gist of it was to note that most people now catching COVID have been double jabbed without taking into account the fact that a large majority of the adult population are in that category and so misleading people into thinking the vaccines don’t work.
    Its rates per 100000 so it takes into account that
    But which 100000? Gen population or each category?
    In each category. In middle aged people rates of infection are higher in double jabbed. Just read his tweet
    The tweet does not say whether the 100000 is taken from the general population and then the two categories counted, or whether the two categories are divided before the 100000 is taken from each.
  • Anyway enough of dress-gate.....the best show in sports tv is back tonight.....NFL Redzone....7hrs of commercial free football....
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 13,677

    I sense we're a baw hair away from comparing the Pantone shades of the Romanian flag with those of Raducanu's get up. It'll make the recent O2 stushie look Socratic.

    the absolutely towering insecurity of british nationalism really is something
  • kinabalu said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Leon said:

    Scott_xP said:

    I think that was only US Open match I have ever watched.

    As well as being the only match I can recall where the ball "boys and girls" looked older than the players, where are the line judges?

    Likewise

    And why did the ball always make that snicketty sound as the serve crossed the net, making me think every serve was a let?
    I thought that final ace was a let.
    Yes, me too. Lots of serves sounded like a let. Is there any explanation why several shots sound like a net cord when the ball manifestly didn’t touch the net?
    I noticed that. It was weird. A relief that others did too. I was worried I was hearing things.
    The question is whether it disrupted play by misleading the players. It did not seem to but I only watch tennis once a year. Assuming it did not then either the women are used to it or the sound is not present in the stadium and might be a broadcast artefact. Is the answer not on twitter? Everything else seems to be.

    Or was the server grunting and you've got a lousy telly?
  • Carnyx said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Why I'd rather be living in 1962: The smoking was ghastly, racism repellent and kids had rotting teeth... but Peter Hitchens revels in his youth"

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-9980737/Why-Id-living-1962-smoking-ghastly-PETER-HITCHENS-revels-youth.html

    I wouldn't want to live there permanently but I'd love to visit. Spend a few nights in the Cavern Club and the Marquee Club for starters, watch some of the newly introduced Deltics on the ECML perhaps. Travel on some of the lovely branch lines before Beeching closed them.
    Sudden triggering of a memory of seaside holidays then within a short walk of the ECML and being taken by my father and the dog to sit on a gatepost and watch the Deltics thunder past - must have been some steam locos but I was just too young to remember them.
    I was never particularly a fan of the Deltics - they were (just) before my time. Had a fondness for Tulyar, though. I love the 45s and 37s. Can't stand the 47s for some reason, and the 40s leave me cold. Which is odd, because my choices seem rather random, looks-wise!

    BTW, I was listening to a podcast this morning and it mentioned carnyxes (carnyii?). Obviously wondered why a PBer would be at an battle against a Roman legion ... ;)

    (I know none of this is anything to do with politics, but it seems better than dissecting and decoding a young woman's outfit...)
    Tulyar is still with us (55015, owned by the DPS, I believe undergoing some serious refurbishment). The Deltics have now been in preservation about twice as long as they were in service.
    I have a soft spot for the 47s, a real workhorse and some still in service I think, sixty years on.
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