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Are Trump and other top Republicans secret Democratic Party agents? – politicalbetting.com

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  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 97,931
    edited August 29
    Test to see the comments work fine.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 65,199
    The number of new Covid cases reported in Scotland has hit another record high of 7,113.

    Around two thirds of cases are in the under-40 group. About 30% of Covid-related hospital admissions in the last month were also from the same age bracket.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 65,199

    TEST

    It finished yesterday....
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 25,519
    "Do you think that General Patton was woke? I don't think so ... you know what woke means? It means you're a loser."

    So at least that's that one nailed. We've been agonizing over it on here, haven't we, what the 'w' word means.

    He does have his uses.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 14,101

    The number of new Covid cases reported in Scotland has hit another record high of 7,113

    Govey's quest for twinks a super-spreader event.

    Nice also to see him testing the local product for pureness and quality.
  • pigeonpigeon Posts: 908
    What stupid people US evangelicals are for their loopy opposition to vaccines. This saves lives you ignorant cretins or maybe you don't want that

    One is forced to conclude that they all want to meet Jesus and Covid is their opportunity to speed the process along.
  • Alphabet_SoupAlphabet_Soup Posts: 1,150
    Dontcha just hate bookshelves stacked with uniform editions?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 65,199
    Very close to the bone...

    Being a conservative radio host appears to have become one of the most dangerous professions in the country.
    https://twitter.com/mcuban/status/1431977674994499586?s=20
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 57,370
    F1: rather soggy in Spa.

  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 26,227
    pigeon said:

    What stupid people US evangelicals are for their loopy opposition to vaccines. This saves lives you ignorant cretins or maybe you don't want that

    One is forced to conclude that they all want to meet Jesus and Covid is their opportunity to speed the process along.

    I have no real insight into the insight of any sector of the US - the only Americans I converse with IRL have been over here for years. Having said that: I do wonder if the marginalisation of religion (Christianity) has something to do with this. Science has overtaken the bible to a large extent. Therefore if you are very religious, science may well be bogus. Science versus belief.

    Has there been a breakdown of vaccination versus church attended?
  • contrariancontrarian Posts: 5,818
    The data says that black and ethnic minority citizens are less likely to have been vaccinated than whites in America.


    Will Mike and TSE be calling black and ethnic minority citizens who are resistant to taking vaccines ''ignorant cretins? ''

    Or is that insult merely for people they would despise in any case, simply because they are Trump supporters...??

  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 44,652

    The number of new Covid cases reported in Scotland has hit another record high of 7,113.

    Around two thirds of cases are in the under-40 group. About 30% of Covid-related hospital admissions in the last month were also from the same age bracket.

    Time for an emergency summit from iSAGE (Alba branch)?
  • RazedabodeRazedabode Posts: 1,503
    Are we actually getting a Belgian Grand Prix?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 55,714

    The data says that black and ethnic minority citizens are less likely to have been vaccinated than whites in America.


    Will Mike and TSE be calling black and ethnic minority citizens who are resistant to taking vaccines ''ignorant cretins? ''

    Or is that insult merely for people they would despise in any case, simply because they are Trump supporters...??

    If the GOP are in charge of vaccination distribution there is not much chance they will have had equal access to them. Just look at what they do with polling places. ;)
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 57,370
    Mr. Abode, not sure. Currently not watching but keeping an eye on Twitter.

    Might be tomorrow.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 15,524
    edited August 29

    pigeon said:

    What stupid people US evangelicals are for their loopy opposition to vaccines. This saves lives you ignorant cretins or maybe you don't want that

    One is forced to conclude that they all want to meet Jesus and Covid is their opportunity to speed the process along.

    I have no real insight into the insight of any sector of the US - the only Americans I converse with IRL have been over here for years. Having said that: I do wonder if the marginalisation of religion (Christianity) has something to do with this. Science has overtaken the bible to a large extent. Therefore if you are very religious, science may well be bogus. Science versus belief.

    Has there been a breakdown of vaccination versus church attended?
    There was some interesting polling showing those who self identify as Evangelicals and hold the most extreme beliefs, tend not to be weekly Church attendees.
    Those who attend weekly or more tend to be more nuanced and varied in attitudes. It is almost as though it is an identity and belonging to a group, rather than religious per se. One may compare with Jihadists who don't go to Mosque.
    I will try to find it.

    This isn't it, but says the same.
    https://www.relevantmagazine.com/faith/church/new-data-suggests-over-40-percent-of-self-identified-evangelicals-attend-church-once-a-year-or-less/

    25% and rising of Evangelicals attend Church once a year or less.
  • The data says that black and ethnic minority citizens are less likely to have been vaccinated than whites in America.


    Will Mike and TSE be calling black and ethnic minority citizens who are resistant to taking vaccines ''ignorant cretins? ''

    Or is that insult merely for people they would despise in any case, simply because they are Trump supporters...??

    My opprobrium is not targeted against those who people haven't been vaccinated but the idiots who dismissed Covid-19 as a hoax and those ***** who spread bullshit about the vaccine.

    Anyhoo, the stats show the uptake is increasing among African Americans and Hispanics, whilst now 'Recent polls have found Republicans and White evangelicals are least likely to say they’ll get the shots.'
  • So Perez can start the Grand Prix.

    If it starts.
  • pigeonpigeon Posts: 908
    @JosiasJessop reply to you - can't post preceding quotes due to stupid "1 character too short" problem:

  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 26,227

    So Perez can start the Grand Prix.

    If it starts.

    From the pitlane. I think that's a good compromise.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 13,090
    Whooooooooooaaaaahhhhhhh LisdoonVARna!!!

    LIS-doon LIS-doon Lis-doon Lis-doon-VARRRna!
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 57,370
    Mr. Jessop, spare a thought for those of us with a bet on a low number of classified finishers.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 13,090
    Anyone for the last few choc ices?
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 14,101

    So Perez can start the Grand Prix.

    If it starts.

    This isn't good. We may get an hour at best.
  • A Covid sceptic who was hospitalised with the virus and went on to urge other people to get vaccinated has died.

    Marcus Birks, 40, from Leek, Staffordshire, died on Friday leaving his family "shattered", his wife said.

    He was admitted to the intensive care unit at Royal Stoke University Hospital earlier this month.

    The musician had told the BBC he was "shocked" to have become so unwell with the virus because he "rarely got ill".


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-stoke-staffordshire-58376709
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 25,519
    pigeon said:

    What stupid people US evangelicals are for their loopy opposition to vaccines. This saves lives you ignorant cretins or maybe you don't want that

    One is forced to conclude that they all want to meet Jesus and Covid is their opportunity to speed the process along.

    Well "God" himself has come out against the vaccine in his latest release so ...
  • pigeonpigeon Posts: 908

    So Perez can start the Grand Prix.

    If it starts.

    This isn't good. We may get an hour at best.
    A know-nothing-about-motor-racing asks: Why can't they just give up and try again tomorrow afternoon, when there is a good forecast? Has the track been pre-booked by the Belgian Pensioners' Moped Club for their annual rally or something?
  • pigeon said:

    So Perez can start the Grand Prix.

    If it starts.

    This isn't good. We may get an hour at best.
    A know-nothing-about-motor-racing asks: Why can't they just give up and try again tomorrow afternoon, when there is a good forecast? Has the track been pre-booked by the Belgian Pensioners' Moped Club for their annual rally or something?
    1) The marshalls go back to their day jobs tomorrow so a lack of marshalls means no race.

    2) There's a Grand Prix next weekend in the Netherlands. So there will be logistical issues. Past form suggests things are already booked for transport this evening.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 14,101
    pigeon said:

    So Perez can start the Grand Prix.

    If it starts.

    This isn't good. We may get an hour at best.
    A know-nothing-about-motor-racing asks: Why can't they just give up and try again tomorrow afternoon, when there is a good forecast? Has the track been pre-booked by the Belgian Pensioners' Moped Club for their annual rally or something?
    Because the event has started (even though the race has not). 3 hours maximum event time, 2 hours maximum race time. The clock is running on the event.
  • YoungTurkYoungTurk Posts: 158

    pigeon said:

    What stupid people US evangelicals are for their loopy opposition to vaccines. This saves lives you ignorant cretins or maybe you don't want that

    One is forced to conclude that they all want to meet Jesus and Covid is their opportunity to speed the process along.

    I have no real insight into the insight of any sector of the US - the only Americans I converse with IRL have been over here for years. Having said that: I do wonder if the marginalisation of religion (Christianity) has something to do with this. Science has overtaken the bible to a large extent. Therefore if you are very religious, science may well be bogus. Science versus belief.

    Has there been a breakdown of vaccination versus church attended?
    Calling all US evangelicals "cretins" or "stupid" because supposedly they all refuse vaccination against Covid is wrong because they don't. Probably not even a majority of them do.

    Not much is known about how the unvaccinated break down demographically. That's a strange lacuna given that in many minds their reluctance is one of the main antisocial problems of the current period.

    Nor is it clear who the unvaccinated are in Britain, while prejudices are being allowed to let rip. The reported proportion of the population in Kensington and Chelsea who are double-vaccinated is only 50%. I am not convinced that that is because many who reside in the borough also keep homes elsewhere. Since when were denominators for local vaccination stats taken from estimated numbers of residents?
  • TomsToms Posts: 2,263
    JJ said "Has there been a breakdown of vaccination versus church attended?"

    Or a brexit<---> remain analysis? Of course you'd have to believe what they say.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 44,652
    I wonder how Mikey Gove's head is this afternoon?
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 14,101
    YoungTurk said:

    pigeon said:

    What stupid people US evangelicals are for their loopy opposition to vaccines. This saves lives you ignorant cretins or maybe you don't want that

    One is forced to conclude that they all want to meet Jesus and Covid is their opportunity to speed the process along.

    I have no real insight into the insight of any sector of the US - the only Americans I converse with IRL have been over here for years. Having said that: I do wonder if the marginalisation of religion (Christianity) has something to do with this. Science has overtaken the bible to a large extent. Therefore if you are very religious, science may well be bogus. Science versus belief.

    Has there been a breakdown of vaccination versus church attended?
    Calling all US evangelicals "cretins" or "stupid" because supposedly they all refuse vaccination against Covid is wrong because they don't. Probably not even a majority of them do.

    Not much is known about how the unvaccinated break down demographically. That's a strange lacuna given that in many minds their reluctance is one of the main antisocial problems of the current period.

    Nor is it clear who the unvaccinated are in Britain, while prejudices are being allowed to let rip. The reported proportion of the population in Kensington and Chelsea who are double-vaccinated is only 50%. I am not convinced that that is because many who reside in the borough also keep homes elsewhere. Since when were denominators for local vaccination stats taken from estimated numbers of residents?
    Not all of the american shitkickers will be evangelists. But there is definitely a big element of them. Medical science has been weaponised against sanity by the right for political point-scoring. Its crazy.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 57,370
    Mr. Eagles, marshals may be a problem.

    But logistically, it's less of a hassle than it might be given how nearby (I think) the Dutch race is.

    If it were in Mexico, it'd be nigh on impossible.
  • BigRichBigRich Posts: 2,430

    The number of new Covid cases reported in Scotland has hit another record high of 7,113.

    Around two thirds of cases are in the under-40 group. About 30% of Covid-related hospital admissions in the last month were also from the same age bracket.

    Is the date on the age brake down of Scottish cases available?

    On the gov COVID dashboard, there is an breakdown by age group for England but not Scotland. it would be good to see how much of the growth in cases in Scotland over the last 2 weeks has been in school age kids.
  • contrariancontrarian Posts: 5,818
    YoungTurk said:

    pigeon said:

    What stupid people US evangelicals are for their loopy opposition to vaccines. This saves lives you ignorant cretins or maybe you don't want that

    One is forced to conclude that they all want to meet Jesus and Covid is their opportunity to speed the process along.

    I have no real insight into the insight of any sector of the US - the only Americans I converse with IRL have been over here for years. Having said that: I do wonder if the marginalisation of religion (Christianity) has something to do with this. Science has overtaken the bible to a large extent. Therefore if you are very religious, science may well be bogus. Science versus belief.

    Has there been a breakdown of vaccination versus church attended?
    Calling all US evangelicals "cretins" or "stupid" because supposedly they all refuse vaccination against Covid is wrong because they don't. Probably not even a majority of them do.

    Not much is known about how the unvaccinated break down demographically. That's a strange lacuna given that in many minds their reluctance is one of the main antisocial problems of the current period.

    Nor is it clear who the unvaccinated are in Britain, while prejudices are being allowed to let rip. The reported proportion of the population in Kensington and Chelsea who are double-vaccinated is only 50%. I am not convinced that that is because many who reside in the borough also keep homes elsewhere. Since when were denominators for local vaccination stats taken from estimated numbers of residents?
    Why is Andy Murray sounding off today about unvaccinated tennis stars?

    Why are vaccine passports ruled out for the HOC?

    Why are some Premier League clubs coy about player vaccination status?

    It seems like there are lot of 'ignorant cretins' around....
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 26,227
    edited August 29

    pigeon said:

    So Perez can start the Grand Prix.

    If it starts.

    This isn't good. We may get an hour at best.
    A know-nothing-about-motor-racing asks: Why can't they just give up and try again tomorrow afternoon, when there is a good forecast? Has the track been pre-booked by the Belgian Pensioners' Moped Club for their annual rally or something?
    Because the event has started (even though the race has not). 3 hours maximum event time, 2 hours maximum race time. The clock is running on the event.
    They can work around that if necessary. "Oh, did I start the clock? I didn't mean to..."

    I've been watching F1 since... well, probably 1977 or 78, when I was four or five and it started being shown regularly on BBC TV. I can't remember a situation like this.

    The next race at Zandvoort is next week. It's not too far away from Spa, so it least it's not a case of reorganising flights. The marshals (who are unpaid) will need to be available, and if it isn't a bank holiday in Belgium tomorrow, they'd need to get time off work. The hospital needs to be available, as do the medical helicopters.

    It's a mess. It's doable, but it's a mess.

    Edit: tomorrow isn't a bank holiday in Belgium.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 27,622

    YoungTurk said:

    pigeon said:

    What stupid people US evangelicals are for their loopy opposition to vaccines. This saves lives you ignorant cretins or maybe you don't want that

    One is forced to conclude that they all want to meet Jesus and Covid is their opportunity to speed the process along.

    I have no real insight into the insight of any sector of the US - the only Americans I converse with IRL have been over here for years. Having said that: I do wonder if the marginalisation of religion (Christianity) has something to do with this. Science has overtaken the bible to a large extent. Therefore if you are very religious, science may well be bogus. Science versus belief.

    Has there been a breakdown of vaccination versus church attended?
    Calling all US evangelicals "cretins" or "stupid" because supposedly they all refuse vaccination against Covid is wrong because they don't. Probably not even a majority of them do.

    Not much is known about how the unvaccinated break down demographically. That's a strange lacuna given that in many minds their reluctance is one of the main antisocial problems of the current period.

    Nor is it clear who the unvaccinated are in Britain, while prejudices are being allowed to let rip. The reported proportion of the population in Kensington and Chelsea who are double-vaccinated is only 50%. I am not convinced that that is because many who reside in the borough also keep homes elsewhere. Since when were denominators for local vaccination stats taken from estimated numbers of residents?
    Why is Andy Murray sounding off today about unvaccinated tennis stars?

    Why are vaccine passports ruled out for the HOC?

    Why are some Premier League clubs coy about player vaccination status?

    It seems like there are lot of 'ignorant cretins' around....
    Yes, there are! They are 95% of those on ventilators/ECMO in my Trust.

    Unfortunately for them Science is true, even when they don't believe in it...
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 14,101

    pigeon said:

    So Perez can start the Grand Prix.

    If it starts.

    This isn't good. We may get an hour at best.
    A know-nothing-about-motor-racing asks: Why can't they just give up and try again tomorrow afternoon, when there is a good forecast? Has the track been pre-booked by the Belgian Pensioners' Moped Club for their annual rally or something?
    Because the event has started (even though the race has not). 3 hours maximum event time, 2 hours maximum race time. The clock is running on the event.
    They can work around that if necessary. "Oh, did I start the clock? I didn't mean to..."

    I've been watching F1 since... well, probably 1977 or 78, when I was four or five and it started being shown regularly on BBC TV. I can't remember a situation like this.

    The next race at Zandvoort is next week. It's not too far away from Spa, so it least it's not a case of reorganising flights. The marshals (who are unpaid) will need to be available, and if it isn't a bank holiday in Belgium tomorrow, they'd need to get time off work. The hospital needs to be available, as do the medical helicopters.

    It's a mess. It's doable, but it's a mess.
    Hope so. Qualifying was sensational yesterday. And its Spa. I want to watch this race.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 57,370
    Hmm. The total event limit was 4 hours. It was reduced to that after the 2011 Canadian Grand Prix (because F1 didn't want to ever replicate the incredible ending of that race).

    When did it get reduced to 3 hours? Or is that due to sunset?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 55,714

    YoungTurk said:

    pigeon said:

    What stupid people US evangelicals are for their loopy opposition to vaccines. This saves lives you ignorant cretins or maybe you don't want that

    One is forced to conclude that they all want to meet Jesus and Covid is their opportunity to speed the process along.

    I have no real insight into the insight of any sector of the US - the only Americans I converse with IRL have been over here for years. Having said that: I do wonder if the marginalisation of religion (Christianity) has something to do with this. Science has overtaken the bible to a large extent. Therefore if you are very religious, science may well be bogus. Science versus belief.

    Has there been a breakdown of vaccination versus church attended?
    Calling all US evangelicals "cretins" or "stupid" because supposedly they all refuse vaccination against Covid is wrong because they don't. Probably not even a majority of them do.

    Not much is known about how the unvaccinated break down demographically. That's a strange lacuna given that in many minds their reluctance is one of the main antisocial problems of the current period.

    Nor is it clear who the unvaccinated are in Britain, while prejudices are being allowed to let rip. The reported proportion of the population in Kensington and Chelsea who are double-vaccinated is only 50%. I am not convinced that that is because many who reside in the borough also keep homes elsewhere. Since when were denominators for local vaccination stats taken from estimated numbers of residents?
    Why is Andy Murray sounding off today about unvaccinated tennis stars?

    Why are vaccine passports ruled out for the HOC?

    Why are some Premier League clubs coy about player vaccination status?

    It seems like there are lot of 'ignorant cretins' around....
    Was someone suggesting that there weren't a lot of ignorant cretins around?
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 14,101
    Whatever happens from here on in, RedBull have pulled off a miracle rebuilding Sergio "Whoops" Perez's car.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 14,101

    Hmm. The total event limit was 4 hours. It was reduced to that after the 2011 Canadian Grand Prix (because F1 didn't want to ever replicate the incredible ending of that race).

    When did it get reduced to 3 hours? Or is that due to sunset?

    Sunset is half 6 so even if the clock hasn't started they won't do much more than the 3 hours.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 21,319

    The number of new Covid cases reported in Scotland has hit another record high of 7,113.

    Around two thirds of cases are in the under-40 group. About 30% of Covid-related hospital admissions in the last month were also from the same age bracket.

    Scotland setting records. England sorely lacking.
  • Hmm. The total event limit was 4 hours. It was reduced to that after the 2011 Canadian Grand Prix (because F1 didn't want to ever replicate the incredible ending of that race).

    When did it get reduced to 3 hours? Or is that due to sunset?

    Sunset and the fact TV companies need an ultimate cut off time.

    Things like booking satellite time and uplinks costs a lot of money.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 9,646
    The Michael Gove pics are of a man having a full blown mid life crisis, if not a mental breakdown.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 26,227

    pigeon said:

    So Perez can start the Grand Prix.

    If it starts.

    This isn't good. We may get an hour at best.
    A know-nothing-about-motor-racing asks: Why can't they just give up and try again tomorrow afternoon, when there is a good forecast? Has the track been pre-booked by the Belgian Pensioners' Moped Club for their annual rally or something?
    Because the event has started (even though the race has not). 3 hours maximum event time, 2 hours maximum race time. The clock is running on the event.
    They can work around that if necessary. "Oh, did I start the clock? I didn't mean to..."

    I've been watching F1 since... well, probably 1977 or 78, when I was four or five and it started being shown regularly on BBC TV. I can't remember a situation like this.

    The next race at Zandvoort is next week. It's not too far away from Spa, so it least it's not a case of reorganising flights. The marshals (who are unpaid) will need to be available, and if it isn't a bank holiday in Belgium tomorrow, they'd need to get time off work. The hospital needs to be available, as do the medical helicopters.

    It's a mess. It's doable, but it's a mess.
    Hope so. Qualifying was sensational yesterday. And its Spa. I want to watch this race.
    What gets me about this situation is the slight lack of competence in the situation. They're making the rules up as they go along (or creating precedence by interpreting fuzzy rules).

    Take the Perez incident. A driver goes off on the way to the grid, and needs assistance to get back onto the track. The start is delayed enough for the car to be fixed. Can he restart? If so, the grid? the pitlane? I think they've made the correct decision (he made a mistake and therefore should suffer a penalty, but he has been repaired.

    It's impossible to wargame every scenario; but this seems a distinctly possible one.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 65,199
    Alistair said:

    The number of new Covid cases reported in Scotland has hit another record high of 7,113.

    Around two thirds of cases are in the under-40 group. About 30% of Covid-related hospital admissions in the last month were also from the same age bracket.

    Scotland setting records. England sorely lacking.
    Plenty of chance to catch up.....
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 27,622
    edited August 29

    The Michael Gove pics are of a man having a full blown mid life crisis, if not a mental breakdown.

    Certainly no Brexit induced shortage of coke!

    https://twitter.com/miffythegamer/status/1431969262705463299?s=19
  • Alistair said:

    The number of new Covid cases reported in Scotland has hit another record high of 7,113.

    Around two thirds of cases are in the under-40 group. About 30% of Covid-related hospital admissions in the last month were also from the same age bracket.

    Scotland setting records. England sorely lacking.
    Schools go back soon and once again England will break Scotland's records.

    England number 1.

    Celtic nations = losers.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 34,097

    So Perez can start the Grand Prix.

    If it starts.

    This isn't good. We may get an hour at best.
    A short race would be good for Russell’s chances.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 57,370
    F1: race should've finished by now.

    Humbug.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 65,199
    Foxy said:

    The Michael Gove pics are of a man having a full blown mid life crisis, if not a mental breakdown.

    Certainly no Brexit induced shortage of coke!

    https://twitter.com/miffythegamer/status/1431969262705463299?s=19
    Coke Zero I presume?
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 14,101
    Foxy said:

    The Michael Gove pics are of a man having a full blown mid life crisis, if not a mental breakdown.

    Certainly no Brexit induced shortage of coke!

    https://twitter.com/miffythegamer/status/1431969262705463299?s=19
    Purity and quality tested by the Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 15,611
    BigRich said:

    The number of new Covid cases reported in Scotland has hit another record high of 7,113.

    Around two thirds of cases are in the under-40 group. About 30% of Covid-related hospital admissions in the last month were also from the same age bracket.

    Is the date on the age brake down of Scottish cases available?

    On the gov COVID dashboard, there is an breakdown by age group for England but not Scotland. it would be good to see how much of the growth in cases in Scotland over the last 2 weeks has been in school age kids.
    https://www.travellingtabby.com/scotland-coronavirus-tracker/

    Play around with the slider and ball thingies - proportion of cases in bairns is going up (compare cases today vs cases over last week). Don't seem to have a 2 week fig,. but the bairns only went back to school on the 16th, later in some places.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 57,370
    Mr. B, one more lap is needed to qualify for a half-points result. That'd be great for many, rough on Hamilton.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 26,227

    Mr. B, one more lap is needed to qualify for a half-points result. That'd be great for many, rough on Hamilton.

    Is it just one more lap? Even if the timer started, did those laps under the safety car (minus the formation) count? They could well be at a fresh start - which is why Perez can start.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 34,097

    The data says that black and ethnic minority citizens are less likely to have been vaccinated than whites in America.


    Will Mike and TSE be calling black and ethnic minority citizens who are resistant to taking vaccines ''ignorant cretins? ''

    Or is that insult merely for people they would despise in any case, simply because they are Trump supporters...??

    You’re putting word in Mike’s mouth.
    This is the context for his ‘cretins’ epithet:
    Daniel Darling, senior vice president of communications for the National Religious Broadcasters, was fired Friday (Aug. 27) after refusing to admit his pro-vaccine statements were mistaken…

    That’s the idiocy you’re defending.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 20,287
    RobD said:

    YoungTurk said:

    pigeon said:

    What stupid people US evangelicals are for their loopy opposition to vaccines. This saves lives you ignorant cretins or maybe you don't want that

    One is forced to conclude that they all want to meet Jesus and Covid is their opportunity to speed the process along.

    I have no real insight into the insight of any sector of the US - the only Americans I converse with IRL have been over here for years. Having said that: I do wonder if the marginalisation of religion (Christianity) has something to do with this. Science has overtaken the bible to a large extent. Therefore if you are very religious, science may well be bogus. Science versus belief.

    Has there been a breakdown of vaccination versus church attended?
    Calling all US evangelicals "cretins" or "stupid" because supposedly they all refuse vaccination against Covid is wrong because they don't. Probably not even a majority of them do.

    Not much is known about how the unvaccinated break down demographically. That's a strange lacuna given that in many minds their reluctance is one of the main antisocial problems of the current period.

    Nor is it clear who the unvaccinated are in Britain, while prejudices are being allowed to let rip. The reported proportion of the population in Kensington and Chelsea who are double-vaccinated is only 50%. I am not convinced that that is because many who reside in the borough also keep homes elsewhere. Since when were denominators for local vaccination stats taken from estimated numbers of residents?
    Why is Andy Murray sounding off today about unvaccinated tennis stars?

    Why are vaccine passports ruled out for the HOC?

    Why are some Premier League clubs coy about player vaccination status?

    It seems like there are lot of 'ignorant cretins' around....
    Was someone suggesting that there weren't a lot of ignorant cretins around?
    The two commonest things in the universe are Hydrogen and Stupidity.

    I am sometimes worried about the amount of Hydrogen we have left.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 15,611
    kinabalu said:

    "Do you think that General Patton was woke? I don't think so ... you know what woke means? It means you're a loser."

    So at least that's that one nailed. We've been agonizing over it on here, haven't we, what the 'w' word means.

    He does have his uses.

    On that definition, Mr Trump is woke.

    Something wrong somewhere, methinks. Back to the drawing board?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 65,199

    Alistair said:

    The number of new Covid cases reported in Scotland has hit another record high of 7,113.

    Around two thirds of cases are in the under-40 group. About 30% of Covid-related hospital admissions in the last month were also from the same age bracket.

    Scotland setting records. England sorely lacking.
    Plenty of chance to catch up.....
    This whole pandemic has shown the perils of premature schadenfreude. "We're doing really well! Let's have a party. You're not; you stink!" being followed by "Oh bother, why am I in hospital?"

    I want this damned virus to go. I don't want people to suffer or die from it. It's a shame Scotland's cases are going up, and I wish they weren't. There's no joy to be gained from any case of the virus: even anti-vaxxers.
    One thing is certain with COVID, it will eventually find you, and once you think you might have a problem, you have a bloody big problem....
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 20,287
    BigRich said:

    The number of new Covid cases reported in Scotland has hit another record high of 7,113.

    Around two thirds of cases are in the under-40 group. About 30% of Covid-related hospital admissions in the last month were also from the same age bracket.

    Is the date on the age brake down of Scottish cases available?

    On the gov COVID dashboard, there is an breakdown by age group for England but not Scotland. it would be good to see how much of the growth in cases in Scotland over the last 2 weeks has been in school age kids.
    Getting all 4 nations to provide the data to a common format / age breakdown has been an interesting experience, I understand.

    There is a a reason that government is er.... looking hard at the JCVI over child vaccination and boosters.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 57,370
    Mr. Jessop, my understanding is it's the number of laps behind the safety car minus one (for the 'formation lap'). So we've technically had one racing lap.

    Although the event countdown hasn't started (2 racing hours) which is peculiar.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 15,611
    edited August 29

    Foxy said:

    The Michael Gove pics are of a man having a full blown mid life crisis, if not a mental breakdown.

    Certainly no Brexit induced shortage of coke!

    https://twitter.com/miffythegamer/status/1431969262705463299?s=19
    Purity and quality tested by the Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster
    I think we'd have had it all over the newspapers if he had done so.

    Edit: I mean last night!
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 20,287

    Alistair said:

    The number of new Covid cases reported in Scotland has hit another record high of 7,113.

    Around two thirds of cases are in the under-40 group. About 30% of Covid-related hospital admissions in the last month were also from the same age bracket.

    Scotland setting records. England sorely lacking.
    Plenty of chance to catch up.....
    This whole pandemic has shown the perils of premature schadenfreude. "We're doing really well! Let's have a party. You're not; you stink!" being followed by "Oh bother, why am I in hospital?"

    I want this damned virus to go. I don't want people to suffer or die from it. It's a shame Scotland's cases are going up, and I wish they weren't. There's no joy to be gained from any case of the virus: even anti-vaxxers.
    +1
  • felixfelix Posts: 13,722
    Carnyx said:

    BigRich said:

    The number of new Covid cases reported in Scotland has hit another record high of 7,113.

    Around two thirds of cases are in the under-40 group. About 30% of Covid-related hospital admissions in the last month were also from the same age bracket.

    Is the date on the age brake down of Scottish cases available?

    On the gov COVID dashboard, there is an breakdown by age group for England but not Scotland. it would be good to see how much of the growth in cases in Scotland over the last 2 weeks has been in school age kids.
    https://www.travellingtabby.com/scotland-coronavirus-tracker/

    Play around with the slider and ball thingies - proportion of cases in bairns is going up (compare cases today vs cases over last week). Don't seem to have a 2 week fig,. but the bairns only went back to school on the 16th, later in some places.
    Clearly case numbers matter but far less so now that so many are vaxed. Surely the focus now should be to vaccinate as many of the remnants as possible, to continue the development of treatment of those for whom vaccines cannot work and continue to tweak the vaccines so that they are more effective against infection and transmission. All of the silly backbiting between different groups and countries is in danger of taking the focus away from these compelling needs.
  • contrariancontrarian Posts: 5,818
    Nigelb said:

    The data says that black and ethnic minority citizens are less likely to have been vaccinated than whites in America.


    Will Mike and TSE be calling black and ethnic minority citizens who are resistant to taking vaccines ''ignorant cretins? ''

    Or is that insult merely for people they would despise in any case, simply because they are Trump supporters...??

    You’re putting word in Mike’s mouth.
    This is the context for his ‘cretins’ epithet:
    Daniel Darling, senior vice president of communications for the National Religious Broadcasters, was fired Friday (Aug. 27) after refusing to admit his pro-vaccine statements were mistaken…

    That’s the idiocy you’re defending.
    I am not defending anti-vaxxers. I never have. Vaccines are very effective, although its becoming clearer that they are not as effective as getting and surviving covid.

    I am simply asking why one subset of the vaccine hesitant (Trump supporting whites), is called 'ignorant cretins' and not all of those subsets.

  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 26,227

    Alistair said:

    The number of new Covid cases reported in Scotland has hit another record high of 7,113.

    Around two thirds of cases are in the under-40 group. About 30% of Covid-related hospital admissions in the last month were also from the same age bracket.

    Scotland setting records. England sorely lacking.
    Plenty of chance to catch up.....
    This whole pandemic has shown the perils of premature schadenfreude. "We're doing really well! Let's have a party. You're not; you stink!" being followed by "Oh bother, why am I in hospital?"

    I want this damned virus to go. I don't want people to suffer or die from it. It's a shame Scotland's cases are going up, and I wish they weren't. There's no joy to be gained from any case of the virus: even anti-vaxxers.
    One thing is certain with COVID, it will eventually find you, and once you think you might have a problem, you have a bloody big problem....
    My current expectation is that everyone will eventually get it. The key is to delay that as long as possible; to reduce the burden on the hospitals, to allow more vaccinations to reduce the threat of my spreading it to others, and to allow further progress in therapeutics.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 15,611
    And @TSE - you can add SLAB to the organizations that reanimate the dead, at least to vote. Scottish devolution referendum 1977.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 21,319
    BigRich said:

    The number of new Covid cases reported in Scotland has hit another record high of 7,113.

    Around two thirds of cases are in the under-40 group. About 30% of Covid-related hospital admissions in the last month were also from the same age bracket.

    Is the date on the age brake down of Scottish cases available?

    On the gov COVID dashboard, there is an breakdown by age group for England but not Scotland. it would be good to see how much of the growth in cases in Scotland over the last 2 weeks has been in school age kids.
    Public health scotland have a dashboard that breaks down by age and gender.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 21,319

    Alistair said:

    The number of new Covid cases reported in Scotland has hit another record high of 7,113.

    Around two thirds of cases are in the under-40 group. About 30% of Covid-related hospital admissions in the last month were also from the same age bracket.

    Scotland setting records. England sorely lacking.
    Schools go back soon and once again England will break Scotland's records.

    England number 1.

    Celtic nations = losers.
    Bizarrely the ONS infection survey as of 20th August says Scotland was at 1 in 140 whilst England was at 1 in 70 which seema scarcely believable.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 65,199
    edited August 29

    Alistair said:

    The number of new Covid cases reported in Scotland has hit another record high of 7,113.

    Around two thirds of cases are in the under-40 group. About 30% of Covid-related hospital admissions in the last month were also from the same age bracket.

    Scotland setting records. England sorely lacking.
    Plenty of chance to catch up.....
    This whole pandemic has shown the perils of premature schadenfreude. "We're doing really well! Let's have a party. You're not; you stink!" being followed by "Oh bother, why am I in hospital?"

    I want this damned virus to go. I don't want people to suffer or die from it. It's a shame Scotland's cases are going up, and I wish they weren't. There's no joy to be gained from any case of the virus: even anti-vaxxers.
    One thing is certain with COVID, it will eventually find you, and once you think you might have a problem, you have a bloody big problem....
    My current expectation is that everyone will eventually get it. The key is to delay that as long as possible; to reduce the burden on the hospitals, to allow more vaccinations to reduce the threat of my spreading it to others, and to allow further progress in therapeutics.
    Yes that's my opinion as well.

    Furthermore, the big positive (so far) is that once you have had it once, reinfections are very uncommon and when they do occur in all but a tiny minority they are extremely mild.

    This may well change with further mutations, but again further you can bump all this down the road the better.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 10,757

    Mr. Jessop, my understanding is it's the number of laps behind the safety car minus one (for the 'formation lap'). So we've technically had one racing lap.

    Although the event countdown hasn't started (2 racing hours) which is peculiar.

    From the betting, a lot of people are thinking Max will win a two lap "race" and if nothing happens they'll get their stakes back.
  • For the first time in top-flight history, Tottenham Hotspur will end the day top at the same time as Arsenal ending the day bottom of the table. Parallel

    https://twitter.com/OptaJoe/status/1431993267348987906
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 14,101
    The Ardennes in late August is often this sodden. We have had disastrous wet conditions for this race before. So why not move it so that it isn't August?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 20,287
    YoungTurk said:

    pigeon said:

    What stupid people US evangelicals are for their loopy opposition to vaccines. This saves lives you ignorant cretins or maybe you don't want that

    One is forced to conclude that they all want to meet Jesus and Covid is their opportunity to speed the process along.

    I have no real insight into the insight of any sector of the US - the only Americans I converse with IRL have been over here for years. Having said that: I do wonder if the marginalisation of religion (Christianity) has something to do with this. Science has overtaken the bible to a large extent. Therefore if you are very religious, science may well be bogus. Science versus belief.

    Has there been a breakdown of vaccination versus church attended?
    Calling all US evangelicals "cretins" or "stupid" because supposedly they all refuse vaccination against Covid is wrong because they don't. Probably not even a majority of them do.

    Not much is known about how the unvaccinated break down demographically. That's a strange lacuna given that in many minds their reluctance is one of the main antisocial problems of the current period.

    Nor is it clear who the unvaccinated are in Britain, while prejudices are being allowed to let rip. The reported proportion of the population in Kensington and Chelsea who are double-vaccinated is only 50%. I am not convinced that that is because many who reside in the borough also keep homes elsewhere. Since when were denominators for local vaccination stats taken from estimated numbers of residents?
    Take the polls on vaccine hesitancy for the UK - some of these have breakdowns by social groups.

    Look at the data for vaccine take up by MSOA

    Look at the data for breakdown of the population for the MSOAs (harder to find)

    The conclusion you are left with is that the polling is mostly truthful, as to who is not going for vaccination. My guesstimate is that vaccine hesitancy is over estimated by the polls.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 34,097

    Nigelb said:

    The data says that black and ethnic minority citizens are less likely to have been vaccinated than whites in America.


    Will Mike and TSE be calling black and ethnic minority citizens who are resistant to taking vaccines ''ignorant cretins? ''

    Or is that insult merely for people they would despise in any case, simply because they are Trump supporters...??

    You’re putting word in Mike’s mouth.
    This is the context for his ‘cretins’ epithet:
    Daniel Darling, senior vice president of communications for the National Religious Broadcasters, was fired Friday (Aug. 27) after refusing to admit his pro-vaccine statements were mistaken…

    That’s the idiocy you’re defending.
    I am not defending anti-vaxxers. I never have. Vaccines are very effective, although its becoming clearer that they are not as effective as getting and surviving covid.

    I am simply asking why one subset of the vaccine hesitant (Trump supporting whites), is called 'ignorant cretins' and not all of those subsets.

    Again you seem to be deliberately disingenuous here.
    This isn’t about ‘hesitancy’, but outright ideological denialism. The context of Mike’s comment is a guy being fired for saying something positive about vaccines.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 11,996
    edited August 29

    Nigelb said:

    The data says that black and ethnic minority citizens are less likely to have been vaccinated than whites in America.


    Will Mike and TSE be calling black and ethnic minority citizens who are resistant to taking vaccines ''ignorant cretins? ''

    Or is that insult merely for people they would despise in any case, simply because they are Trump supporters...??

    You’re putting word in Mike’s mouth.
    This is the context for his ‘cretins’ epithet:
    Daniel Darling, senior vice president of communications for the National Religious Broadcasters, was fired Friday (Aug. 27) after refusing to admit his pro-vaccine statements were mistaken…

    That’s the idiocy you’re defending.
    I am not defending anti-vaxxers. I never have. Vaccines are very effective, although its becoming clearer that they are not as effective as getting and surviving covid.

    I am simply asking why one subset of the vaccine hesitant (Trump supporting whites), is called 'ignorant cretins' and not all of those subsets.

    You do realise 1 in 3 American evangelicals are not white? Not particularly different to the US population as a whole. So when someone is criticising evangelicals the only link to white/not white criticism from that comment exists in your head, not from the person who said it.

    https://www.christianitytoday.com/news/2017/september/1-in-3-american-evangelicals-person-of-color-prri-atlas.html
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 65,199
    edited August 29
    33,196 cases... 61 deaths.

    UK cases slightly up, but England down again on last week.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 25,519

    The Michael Gove pics are of a man having a full blown mid life crisis, if not a mental breakdown.

    Yes it looks 'likely' (per either mine or DavidL's PT definition of the word). But perhaps some great work will be born of it. This sometimes happens with an artist and Mikey Gove is surely that. Out of an intense, off-the-rails fugue state lasting many days and nights might there come an approach to Social Care and Scottish Independence so creative and otherworldly as to blow everyone on all sides of politics away? If so, nobody will be quibbling about how he got there.
  • contrariancontrarian Posts: 5,818

    The data says that black and ethnic minority citizens are less likely to have been vaccinated than whites in America.


    Will Mike and TSE be calling black and ethnic minority citizens who are resistant to taking vaccines ''ignorant cretins? ''

    Or is that insult merely for people they would despise in any case, simply because they are Trump supporters...??

    My opprobrium is not targeted against those who people haven't been vaccinated but the idiots who dismissed Covid-19 as a hoax and those ***** who spread bullshit about the vaccine.

    Anyhoo, the stats show the uptake is increasing among African Americans and Hispanics, whilst now 'Recent polls have found Republicans and White evangelicals are least likely to say they’ll get the shots.'
    Surely the most effective anti-vaxxers are the medical professionals who write and broadcast stuff about vaccines.

    These are the people who can sound most credible because they know all the correct buzzwords and procedures, and are far more convincing that some hot-headed Trumpist sounding off about nothing.

    They are out there.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 34,097
    If @rcs1000 was still wondering about leaving LA, this ought to tip the balance.
    https://twitter.com/FilmUpdates/status/1431555440740085763
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 17,923
    kinabalu said:

    The Michael Gove pics are of a man having a full blown mid life crisis, if not a mental breakdown.

    Yes it looks 'likely' (per either mine or DavidL's PT definition of the word). But perhaps some great work will be born of it. This sometimes happens with an artist and Mikey Gove is surely that. Out of an intense, off-the-rails fugue state lasting many days and nights might there come an approach to Social Care and Scottish Independence so creative and otherworldly as to blow everyone on all sides of politics away? If so, nobody will be quibbling about how he got there.
    You're exhibiting a level of optimism beyond the call of duty.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 55,714

    The data says that black and ethnic minority citizens are less likely to have been vaccinated than whites in America.


    Will Mike and TSE be calling black and ethnic minority citizens who are resistant to taking vaccines ''ignorant cretins? ''

    Or is that insult merely for people they would despise in any case, simply because they are Trump supporters...??

    My opprobrium is not targeted against those who people haven't been vaccinated but the idiots who dismissed Covid-19 as a hoax and those ***** who spread bullshit about the vaccine.

    Anyhoo, the stats show the uptake is increasing among African Americans and Hispanics, whilst now 'Recent polls have found Republicans and White evangelicals are least likely to say they’ll get the shots.'
    Surely the most effective anti-vaxxers are the medical professionals who write and broadcast stuff about vaccines.

    These are the people who can sound most credible because they know all the correct buzzwords and procedures, and are far more convincing that some hot-headed Trumpist sounding off about nothing.

    They are out there.
    I think they've had enough of experts.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 14,101
    *giggles* Spar update. The Stewards have decided to suspend the clock. No longer 55 minutes to go. The clock has stopped.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 65,199
    Nigelb said:

    If @rcs1000 was still wondering about leaving LA, this ought to tip the balance.
    https://twitter.com/FilmUpdates/status/1431555440740085763

    Drugs are bad, mmmmhhh ok kids......
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 15,611
    kinabalu said:

    The Michael Gove pics are of a man having a full blown mid life crisis, if not a mental breakdown.

    Yes it looks 'likely' (per either mine or DavidL's PT definition of the word). But perhaps some great work will be born of it. This sometimes happens with an artist and Mikey Gove is surely that. Out of an intense, off-the-rails fugue state lasting many days and nights might there come an approach to Social Care and Scottish Independence so creative and otherworldly as to blow everyone on all sides of politics away? If so, nobody will be quibbling about how he got there.
    Aye, right.

  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 26,227
    F1: apparently they've stopped the time limits, so they won't need to complete by 6pm local time ...

    Where's that GIF of an F1 car with headlights, done for when they did the first night race?
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 64,561
    Its darkly ironic if the GOPs long-term courting of those who don't believe in Darwinianism leads to them losing the next election.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 26,227

    *giggles* Spar update. The Stewards have decided to suspend the clock. No longer 55 minutes to go. The clock has stopped.

    Making the rules up as they go along ...
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 57,370
    Mr. JohnL, I'm expecting bets to be voided if the current situation is the end of the racing event.

    If not, those who backed Russell to win each way will be chuffed.
  • Further proof that The Guardian is a joke.

    ‘The smartest person in any room anywhere’: in defence of Elon Musk, by Douglas Coupland

    https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2021/aug/29/the-smartest-person-in-any-room-anywhere-in-defence-of-elon-musk-by-douglas-coupland

    I mean we all know the smartest person in the room isn't Musk but a certain PBer.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 9,837

    Further proof that The Guardian is a joke.

    ‘The smartest person in any room anywhere’: in defence of Elon Musk, by Douglas Coupland

    https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2021/aug/29/the-smartest-person-in-any-room-anywhere-in-defence-of-elon-musk-by-douglas-coupland

    I mean we all know the smartest person in the room isn't Musk but a certain PBer.

    What favour are you about to want from me?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 65,199
    For the fifth day in a row, the number of covid cases reported in England is down compared to a week earlier. But UK-wide figure continues to increase thanks to record (and growing) number of infections in Scotland.

    https://twitter.com/HugoGye/status/1431996435373957120?s=20
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 34,097

    *giggles* Spar update. The Stewards have decided to suspend the clock. No longer 55 minutes to go. The clock has stopped.

    Does that mean they’re thinking about a Monday race, which otherwise couldn’t happen ?
    (If the clock isn’t stopped, then in 50 odd minutes, the GP is over, full stop.)
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 20,287

    Nigelb said:

    The data says that black and ethnic minority citizens are less likely to have been vaccinated than whites in America.


    Will Mike and TSE be calling black and ethnic minority citizens who are resistant to taking vaccines ''ignorant cretins? ''

    Or is that insult merely for people they would despise in any case, simply because they are Trump supporters...??

    You’re putting word in Mike’s mouth.
    This is the context for his ‘cretins’ epithet:
    Daniel Darling, senior vice president of communications for the National Religious Broadcasters, was fired Friday (Aug. 27) after refusing to admit his pro-vaccine statements were mistaken…

    That’s the idiocy you’re defending.
    I am not defending anti-vaxxers. I never have. Vaccines are very effective, although its becoming clearer that they are not as effective as getting and surviving covid.

    I am simply asking why one subset of the vaccine hesitant (Trump supporting whites), is called 'ignorant cretins' and not all of those subsets.

    You do realise 1 in 3 American evangelicals are not white? Not particularly different to the US population as a whole. So when someone is criticising evangelicals the only link to white/not white criticism from that comment exists in your head, not from the person who said it.

    https://www.christianitytoday.com/news/2017/september/1-in-3-american-evangelicals-person-of-color-prri-atlas.html
    I once had tremendous fun getting some (UK) people lay into Seventh Day Adventists - they were all up for persecuting the horrible, bigoted etc etc

    Until I showed them a picture myself at the local (London) Seventh Day Adventist meet-the-neighbours thing....
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 15,611

    Its darkly ironic if the GOPs long-term courting of those who don't believe in Darwinianism leads to them losing the next election.

    PB Pedant writes: it's 'Darwinism'. But yes, quite so.

    The Darwin Awards website, btw, seems to have given up and thrown its hands in the air, hardly surprisingly.
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