The more voters are educated the more likely they are to be negative about Johnson – politicalbetting.com
In all British political polling at the moment the regular Ipsos-MORI political monitor stands out because it is just about the only one that still carries out fieldwork by telephone.
It feels like we do this every few weeks....need to be adjusted to consider age.
That is a factor but the big expansion of UK higher education was triggered in 1962 following the Robbins report. If you were 18 then you are now 77. I was part of one of the first generations to benefit.
It feels like we do this every few weeks....need to be adjusted to consider age.
That is a factor but the big expansion of UK higher education was triggered in 1962 following the Robbins report. If you were 18 then you are now 77. I was part of one of the first generations to benefit.
In 1980, it with still just 15%, 1990, it was only 25%. Its basically double that now.
Without adjusting for this, simplistic degree / no degree is strongly a proxy for age.
It feels like we do this every few weeks....need to be adjusted to consider age.
That is a factor but the big expansion of UK higher education was triggered in 1962 following the Robbins report. If you were 18 then you are now 77. I was part of one of the first generations to benefit.
In 1990, it was still only 25%. Its basically double that now.
How much is age a confounding factor for this analysis? If you are taking constituency education levels as a crude indicator of love for Boris, then is age not already factored in? It might be dangerous to combine age and education, in case you are double-counting, of course.
The comments are rather mixed to say the least...e.g. FT journalist.
This is thoroughly unpleasant. I've written plenty of stories that have been fiercely critical of the Home Office during Patel's time there but this is an abhorrent image.
Unfortunate imagery, as detailed in the pile-on, though I can't help wondering how many of those cancelling their subscriptions had subscriptions to cancel.
I think this is going to go down like a lead ballon outside those who aren't big fans of Boris government. Adding a £200-300 to families food bills is a rather tricky sell to say the least, especially among the current Tory Red Wall supporters.
I think this is going to go down like a lead ballon outside those who aren't big fans of Boris government. Adding a £200-300 to families food bills.
Is that carelessly worded or are you saying Boris's sugar and salt taxes will be hated by Boris-supporters? If the latter, you may be right, but surely it implies they will not be introduced.
I think this is going to go down like a lead ballon outside those who aren't big fans of Boris government. Adding a £200-300 to families food bills.
Is that carelessly worded or are you saying Boris's sugar and salt taxes will be hated by Boris-supporters? If the latter, you may be right, but surely it implies they will not be introduced.
Sorry...been working too many hours straight.
I am saying those that will probably like this policy, don't like Boris and no intention of ever voting for him. Where as his current support base, e.g. the likes of your white working class, inspires to have a middle class lifestyle, types, isn't going to like the sound of £200 extra on his food bill nor the nanny stating.
I think this is going to go down like a lead ballon outside those who aren't big fans of Boris government. Adding a £200-300 to families food bills.
Is that carelessly worded or are you saying Boris's sugar and salt taxes will be hated by Boris-supporters? If the latter, you may be right, but surely it implies they will not be introduced.
Sorry...been working too many hours straight.
I am saying those that will probably like this policy, don't like Boris and no intention of ever voting for him. Where as his current support base, e.g. the likes of your white working class, inspires to have a middle class lifestyle, types, isn't going to like the sound of £200 extra on his food bill nor the nanny stating.
It feels like we do this every few weeks....need to be adjusted to consider age.
That is a factor but the big expansion of UK higher education was triggered in 1962 following the Robbins report. If you were 18 then you are now 77. I was part of one of the first generations to benefit.
In 1980, it with still just 15%, 1990, it was only 25%. Its basically double that now.
Without adjusting for this, simplistic degree / no degree is strongly a proxy for age.
It would be good to see it age normalized, because I suspect there's some truth in it.
I think this is going to go down like a lead ballon outside those who aren't big fans of Boris government. Adding a £200-300 to families food bills.
Is that carelessly worded or are you saying Boris's sugar and salt taxes will be hated by Boris-supporters? If the latter, you may be right, but surely it implies they will not be introduced.
Sorry...been working too many hours straight.
I am saying those that will probably like this policy, don't like Boris and no intention of ever voting for him. Where as his current support base, e.g. the likes of your white working class, inspires to have a middle class lifestyle, types, isn't going to like the sound of £200 extra on his food bill nor the nanny stating.
Cool. In that case, it probably won't happen.
You would think so, but the current government seem to make lots of irrational and often counterproductive decisions (for their own ratings).
Remember the government are really pushing ahead with the eco stuff, that isn't going to be winning them many red wall voters. Again something that non-Tory voters want e.g. electric vehicles coming in much sooner, but it won't make them vote Tory while Boris is in charge.
Oldies heavily skew Tory, they are scared of covid, and Boris is saying open everything up, masks they are optional, etc.
It feels like we do this every few weeks....need to be adjusted to consider age.
That is a factor but the big expansion of UK higher education was triggered in 1962 following the Robbins report. If you were 18 then you are now 77. I was part of one of the first generations to benefit.
In 1980, it with still just 15%, 1990, it was only 25%. Its basically double that now.
Without adjusting for this, simplistic degree / no degree is strongly a proxy for age.
It would be good to see it age normalized, because I suspect there's some truth in it.
Oh i am not disputing it. I think so too. But we need to control for this important factor to a) confirm this hunch and b) see how large an factor it is.
Road pricing.... that's another thing that got the electorate absolutely steaming when it was talked about 15 years ago.
Talk of higher taxes on fuel / airplane travel, road pricing, id cards, those 3 things seemed to really piss a lot of people off when Labour was in power. Hence why the second two got ditched.
Maybe things have changed now among the electorate in regards to this. We will see.
Vote Tory, for massive borrowing and higher taxes on your food, holidays and car travel....even for Boris that seems like an incredibly hard sell to his base.
The comments are rather mixed to say the least...e.g. FT journalist.
This is thoroughly unpleasant. I've written plenty of stories that have been fiercely critical of the Home Office during Patel's time there but this is an abhorrent image.
Vote Tory, for massive borrowing and higher taxes on your food, holidays and car travel....even for Boris that seems like an incredibly hard sell to his base.
Economically, the government feels more and more like Gordon Brown's - obsessive nannying, tiresome gimmicks and strangling anybody who shows any enterprise or initiative.
I've always felt that clown Sunak is completely out of his depth.
Yippee! A sub-sample thread! I look forward to mountains of posts pointing out why sub-samples are useless and people highlighting them are idiots. PB is, after all, famous for its consistency and fairness. Anecdata will then be produced claiming that people with degrees are huge fans of the man sacked from three jobs for dishonesty.
While we’re patiently waiting, here’s the Ipsos Mori findings for Scottish VI:
Vote Tory, for massive borrowing and higher taxes on your food, holidays and car travel....even for Boris that seems like an incredibly hard sell to his base.
Economically, the government feels more and more like Gordon Brown's - obsessive nannying, tiresome gimmicks and strangling anybody who shows any enterprise or initiative.
Its a weird mish mash of we can't trust you to see ads for certain foods before 9pm, but we trust you to decide when to use a mask or not.....
One other thing about MORI is that they have asked an unprompted question for many decades re what are the most important issues facing the UK / yourself.
This feels like a very timely moment to ask - where does racism come in the MORI issues index?
The answer to that question may give a clue re how much impact all the media coverage is likely to have politically.
(From memory I don't ever remember racism scoring anything in the index but would like to see the most up to date survey).
Kettle: The failed aid revolt was not a damp squib. It is part of a complex, volatile and continuing political realignment in a Britain struggling to renew forms of majoritarian common purpose. Several of the best speeches on Tuesday – including those by Hilary Benn, Andrew Mitchell and Rachel Reeves – all highlighted how the aid cut, the Euros finals and the emergence from Covid each pose a question about who we are as a nation. Johnson has got the answers wrong on all of them. It is an indication of why he will fail in the end.
Such an interesting thread Mike. Thank you for it.
This is yet another example of the divisions running through our land. It's difficult to avoid accusations of being supercilious but the fact is that intelligent people can see through Boris Johnson. Uneducated people can't.
He's a trickster. A conman. Full of blague, bluster and bullshit.
He's virtually bankrupt in his private life and he's going to do the same with the public finances. He splurges on vanity projects left, right and centre. Someone should confiscate the credit cards before he does even more damage.
Part of the problem is that some not very educated people think Boris Johnson is enormously clever.
He's not.
There's a good reason he got a 2:1 and not a 1st, not that there's anything wrong with a 2:1 but he was affronted about it. He's lazy, has a poor grasp of detail and tries to pull the wool over people's eyes by highfalutin speech.
He's virtually bankrupt in his private life and he's going to do the same with the public finances. He splurges on vanity projects left, right and centre. Someone should confiscate the credit cards before he does even more damage.
I’m bewildered as to why the plane hasn’t been used more often in the last year or so.
I hate the snide implications of any of these "the more education you have, the more likely you are to ..."
Those with higher education are no more worthy humans than those without it. Period. Especially in matters political.
No one said they're 'more worthy'.
But they ARE better educated.
There's an important difference.
I know plenty of people with fancy degrees from ivory towers who most definitely are NOT better educated ... That may have more education, but that is not the same as better ...
PS And of course they don't say it out loud. Hence my use of snide implication. Of course, no one educated likes Johnson - it's only the plebs who do. That is the implication.
The jet created for the Prime Minister to travel in hasn't been used for travel at a time of very heavily restricted international travel. Meanwhile it continues to be used in its primary role.
Why has he since bought another 2 x A321LR in same tawdry livery and very expensive VVIP interior fits?
Does the useless flabby fucker just like spunking money on vanity purchases?
I hate the snide implications of any of these "the more education you have, the more likely you are to ..."
Those with higher education are no more worthy humans than those without it. Period. Especially in matters political.
No one said they're 'more worthy'.
But they ARE better educated.
There's an important difference.
I know plenty of people with fancy degrees from ivory towers who most definitely are NOT better educated ... That may have more education, but that is not the same as better ...
PS And of course they don't say it out loud. Hence my use of snide implication. Of course, no one educated likes Johnson - it's only the plebs who do. That is the implication.
I really think you need to get over yourself. It's clearly you who has the hang-ups and problems about this. In fact, your implication is all the more sinister:
How dare you criticise our beloved PM just because you have a degree.
Snide? That seems to be you
Yours is the most appalling type of stalinist dystopian nightmare imaginable.
The jet created for the Prime Minister to travel in hasn't been used for travel at a time of very heavily restricted international travel. Meanwhile it continues to be used in its primary role.
Does the useless flabby fucker just like spunking money on vanity purchases?
I have a tory-voting friend (didn't go to Uni as it happens) who thinks the sun shines out of Boris Johnson's arse. She adores him. Thinks he's enormously clever and intelligent. Thinks it was him who brought bikes and the Olympics to London.
Doesn't matter how frequently or in what way I try to explain that neither of those is wholly, or even in part, true. He's 'just so intelligent' y'see ...
It feels like we do this every few weeks....need to be adjusted to consider age.
That is a factor but the big expansion of UK higher education was triggered in 1962 following the Robbins report. If you were 18 then you are now 77. I was part of one of the first generations to benefit.
In 1980, it with still just 15%, 1990, it was only 25%. Its basically double that now.
Without adjusting for this, simplistic degree / no degree is strongly a proxy for age.
As for the quality of education post 1990 for example............... And yes I certainly feel we've had tis one before and not so long ago.
The comments are rather mixed to say the least...e.g. FT journalist.
This is thoroughly unpleasant. I've written plenty of stories that have been fiercely critical of the Home Office during Patel's time there but this is an abhorrent image.
Vote Tory, for massive borrowing and higher taxes on your food, holidays and car travel....even for Boris that seems like an incredibly hard sell to his base.
Economically, the government feels more and more like Gordon Brown's - obsessive nannying, tiresome gimmicks and strangling anybody who shows any enterprise or initiative.
I've always felt that clown Sunak is completely out of his depth.
Yippee! A sub-sample thread! I look forward to mountains of posts pointing out why sub-samples are useless and people highlighting them are idiots. PB is, after all, famous for its consistency and fairness. Anecdata will then be produced claiming that people with degrees are huge fans of the man sacked from three jobs for dishonesty.
While we’re patiently waiting, here’s the Ipsos Mori findings for Scottish VI:
Johnson has got the answers wrong on all of them. It is an indication of why he will fail in the end.
This is true. The tragedy of course is that he is in the position to make all of these bad calls.
He was elected to "get Brexit done" but the Brexit he delivered is the one of 'project fear'
Northern Ireland trade completely fucked? Check. Trade with the EU severely disrupted? Check. Supply chain problems and shortages? Check. Massive overheads for no material gain? Check. Labour constraints? Check.
Every day he proves the naysayers right, but there is no joy in that
I bet you that any thinking tory i.e. a Conservative with a brain, deep down has serious qualms about Boris Johnson and what he's doing.
The tragedy is that Theresa May wasn't quite strong enough or competent enough to hold off the nutters on the Far Right who were all Brexit or Bust. The situation was aided and abetted by the stupidity of the Labour Party in general and the malevolence of Jeremy Corbyn in particular.
All this demonstrates is that higher education = progressive political views, particularly amongst people lower than 60. Higher education, particularly in the humanities and social sciences, can involve a significant element of political indoctrination, and this has been increasingly so for 40+ years.
The comments are rather mixed to say the least...e.g. FT journalist.
This is thoroughly unpleasant. I've written plenty of stories that have been fiercely critical of the Home Office during Patel's time there but this is an abhorrent image.
Jesus! All rules of decency are suspended when hating the Tories is the 'beautiful' game.
Very hard for bereft left to win diddlysquat while it appears to be institutionally hatist. I'll site Blair, Milliband, Brown and Corbyn as examples at leadership level.
All this demonstrates is that higher education = progressive political views, particularly amongst people lower than 60. Higher education, particularly in the humanities and social sciences, can involve a significant element of political indoctrination, and this has been increasingly so for 40+ years.
I have a degree in engineering
I was happy to vote for Major, and Hague, and Cameron and May.
BoZo is a disgrace to the office. Every day he is PM is a stain on our nation.
All this demonstrates is that higher education = progressive political views, particularly amongst people lower than 60. Higher education, particularly in the humanities and social sciences, can involve a significant element of political indoctrination, and this has been increasingly so for 40+ years.
No that really is not 'all' this demonstrates.
The idea that higher education is full of political indoctrination is terribly old hat and no longer particularly true. But your argument is unravelled by the fact that this divide has never before been seen so starkly. Theresa May did not attract such levels of distrust among the educated. Nor did David Cameron. Nor Gordon Brown. Nor Tony Blair. Nor John Major (himself not educated to degree level). Nor, even, did Margaret Thatcher.
The reason is not the one you've given. It's because we have a charlatan, a shamster, a blaguer, a serial liar, in charge of this country.
All this demonstrates is that higher education = progressive political views, particularly amongst people lower than 60. Higher education, particularly in the humanities and social sciences, can involve a significant element of political indoctrination, and this has been increasingly so for 40+ years.
I have a degree in engineering
I was happy to vote for Major, and Hague, and Cameron and May.
BoZo is a disgrace to the office. Every day he is PM is a stain on our nation.
All this demonstrates is that higher education = progressive political views, particularly amongst people lower than 60. Higher education, particularly in the humanities and social sciences, can involve a significant element of political indoctrination, and this has been increasingly so for 40+ years.
No that really is not 'all' this demonstrates.
The idea that higher education is full of political indoctrination is terribly old hat and no longer particularly true. But your argument is unravelled by the fact that this divide has never before been seen so starkly. Theresa May did not attract such levels of distrust among the educated. Nor did David Cameron. Nor Gordon Brown. Nor Tony Blair. Nor, even, did Margaret Thatcher.
The reason is not the one you've given. It's because we have a charlatan, a shamster, a blaguer, a serial liar, in charge of this country.
We can see it. Clearly.
The evidence about the left wing bias in universities is overwhelming. Look up the work that Eric Kaufmann has done recently. It is inevitable this has an impact on graduates.
Boris is like Trump, he upsets the values of the educated progressive elite; making no attempt at all to placate them unlike his predecessors. That explains his success with the less educated, who have always been easier to herd for political purposes than intellectuals.
All this demonstrates is that higher education = progressive political views, particularly amongst people lower than 60. Higher education, particularly in the humanities and social sciences, can involve a significant element of political indoctrination, and this has been increasingly so for 40+ years.
I have a degree in engineering
I was happy to vote for Major, and Hague, and Cameron and May.
BoZo is a disgrace to the office. Every day he is PM is a stain on our nation.
Well, in my view as a supposedly educated intellectual the most anti intellectual government was that of David Cameron. They were absolutely dreadful. Boris Johnson (and to a lesser extent Theresa May) was a relief.
The most recent data show the labour market continuing to recover.
The number of payroll employees showed another monthly increase, up 356,000 in June 2021 to 28.9 million. However, it remains 206,000 below pre-coronavirus (COVID-19) pandemic levels. For the first time since the beginning of the pandemic, some regions are now above pre-pandemic (February 2020) levels. These include North East, North West, East Midlands and Northern Ireland.
Following a period of employment growth and low unemployment, since the start of the pandemic, the employment rate has generally decreased, and the unemployment rate increased. However, since the end of 2020 both have shown signs of recovery. In the latest period (March to May 2021), there was an increase in the employment rate of 0.1 percentage points, to 74.8%, and a decrease in the unemployment rate of 0.2 percentage points, to 4.8%. The economic inactivity rate is up 0.1 percentage points on the previous quarter, to 21.3%.
All this demonstrates is that higher education = progressive political views, particularly amongst people lower than 60. Higher education, particularly in the humanities and social sciences, can involve a significant element of political indoctrination, and this has been increasingly so for 40+ years.
I have a degree in engineering
I was happy to vote for Major, and Hague, and Cameron and May.
BoZo is a disgrace to the office. Every day he is PM is a stain on our nation.
You voted for the person who sent this to to ethnic minority areas?
Good morning everyone. Lovely bright one here, and the forecast is excellent!
Can I, as a very old man, have a grouse. When I were a lad, as the saying goes, the f word was rarely used among my friends and associates. Indeed, it was considered extremely offensive. Now it's used as noun, adjective and verb on every possible occasion. I was always taught that to use swear words to embellish speech demonstrated a lack of vocabulary, and even more so when writing, unless of course, appropriate for the writing.
The most recent data show the labour market continuing to recover.
The number of payroll employees showed another monthly increase, up 356,000 in June 2021 to 28.9 million. However, it remains 206,000 below pre-coronavirus (COVID-19) pandemic levels. For the first time since the beginning of the pandemic, some regions are now above pre-pandemic (February 2020) levels. These include North East, North West, East Midlands and Northern Ireland.
Following a period of employment growth and low unemployment, since the start of the pandemic, the employment rate has generally decreased, and the unemployment rate increased. However, since the end of 2020 both have shown signs of recovery. In the latest period (March to May 2021), there was an increase in the employment rate of 0.1 percentage points, to 74.8%, and a decrease in the unemployment rate of 0.2 percentage points, to 4.8%. The economic inactivity rate is up 0.1 percentage points on the previous quarter, to 21.3%.
When I was a teenager, high unemployment was seen as a very bad thing, and conversely, low unemployment a good thing. I'm not sure that holds good today, with all the moaning about labour shortages.
All this demonstrates is that higher education = progressive political views, particularly amongst people lower than 60. Higher education, particularly in the humanities and social sciences, can involve a significant element of political indoctrination, and this has been increasingly so for 40+ years.
I have a degree in engineering
I was happy to vote for Major, and Hague, and Cameron and May.
BoZo is a disgrace to the office. Every day he is PM is a stain on our nation.
You voted for the person who sent this to to ethnic minority areas?
But is a stain?
You've been driven mad by Brexit.
Come on Philip. I am sure deep inside of you, you know that this is a cheap shot non-argument. Every politician campaigns hard and they are almost invariably dirty. None of them get elected through being saintly.
The difference between moments of aberration and Boris Johnson is that with the latter they are not just moments. They ARE him.
Guardian political correspondent Aubrey Allegretti tweeted: "I’m told that plans to have the England team to Downing Street for a reception this week have been shelved, with attention turning instead to the PM’s levelling up speech in a few days."
All this demonstrates is that higher education = progressive political views, particularly amongst people lower than 60. Higher education, particularly in the humanities and social sciences, can involve a significant element of political indoctrination, and this has been increasingly so for 40+ years.
I have a degree in engineering
I was happy to vote for Major, and Hague, and Cameron and May.
BoZo is a disgrace to the office. Every day he is PM is a stain on our nation.
You voted for the person who sent this to to ethnic minority areas?
But Boris is a stain?
You've been driven mad by Brexit.
Well - I voted for May (best of the options, actually talked about elephants in the room although her approach was electoral poison)
I didn't vote for Boris (known liar, not Bright enough to see what he had agreed to).
All this demonstrates is that higher education = progressive political views, particularly amongst people lower than 60. Higher education, particularly in the humanities and social sciences, can involve a significant element of political indoctrination, and this has been increasingly so for 40+ years.
I have a degree in engineering
I was happy to vote for Major, and Hague, and Cameron and May.
BoZo is a disgrace to the office. Every day he is PM is a stain on our nation.
You voted for the person who sent this to to ethnic minority areas?
But Boris is a stain?
You've been driven mad by Brexit.
As so many people who have little to worry about have been.
Another day another column from OGH bashing Boris. This must surely reflect the respective ages of the electorate and where their votes fall. More younger people support labour than older.
All this demonstrates is that higher education = progressive political views, particularly amongst people lower than 60. Higher education, particularly in the humanities and social sciences, can involve a significant element of political indoctrination, and this has been increasingly so for 40+ years.
I have a degree in engineering
I was happy to vote for Major, and Hague, and Cameron and May.
BoZo is a disgrace to the office. Every day he is PM is a stain on our nation.
You voted for the person who sent this to to ethnic minority areas?
But is a stain?
You've been driven mad by Brexit.
Come on Philip. I am sure deep inside of you, you know that this is a cheap shot non-argument. Every politician campaigns hard and they are almost invariably dirty. None of them get elected through being saintly.
The difference between moments of aberration and Boris Johnson is that with the latter they are not just moments. They ARE him.
The difference between May and Boris is that Boris gets the big calls right.
He was the first leading Tory to be in favour of gay marriage. He was on the right side in the Brexit referendum. He got a far superior Brexit deal to May's.
Good morning everyone. Lovely bright one here, and the forecast is excellent!
Can I, as a very old man, have a grouse. When I were a lad, as the saying goes, the f word was rarely used among my friends and associates. Indeed, it was considered extremely offensive. Now it's used as noun, adjective and verb on every possible occasion. I was always taught that to use swear words to embellish speech demonstrated a lack of vocabulary, and even more so when writing, unless of course, appropriate for the writing.
Rant over!
I try to avoid doing so, but I sometimes use that word at moments of stress.
The most recent data show the labour market continuing to recover.
The number of payroll employees showed another monthly increase, up 356,000 in June 2021 to 28.9 million. However, it remains 206,000 below pre-coronavirus (COVID-19) pandemic levels. For the first time since the beginning of the pandemic, some regions are now above pre-pandemic (February 2020) levels. These include North East, North West, East Midlands and Northern Ireland.
Following a period of employment growth and low unemployment, since the start of the pandemic, the employment rate has generally decreased, and the unemployment rate increased. However, since the end of 2020 both have shown signs of recovery. In the latest period (March to May 2021), there was an increase in the employment rate of 0.1 percentage points, to 74.8%, and a decrease in the unemployment rate of 0.2 percentage points, to 4.8%. The economic inactivity rate is up 0.1 percentage points on the previous quarter, to 21.3%.
When I was a teenager, high unemployment was seen as a very bad thing, and conversely, low unemployment a good thing. I'm not sure that holds good today, with all the moaning about labour shortages.
A combination of higher pay, corporate investment in training, and replacement of unskilled labour with capital, will sort out labour shortages - to the benefit of society overall.
All this demonstrates is that higher education = progressive political views, particularly amongst people lower than 60. Higher education, particularly in the humanities and social sciences, can involve a significant element of political indoctrination, and this has been increasingly so for 40+ years.
No that really is not 'all' this demonstrates.
The idea that higher education is full of political indoctrination is terribly old hat and no longer particularly true. But your argument is unravelled by the fact that this divide has never before been seen so starkly. Theresa May did not attract such levels of distrust among the educated. Nor did David Cameron. Nor Gordon Brown. Nor Tony Blair. Nor, even, did Margaret Thatcher.
The reason is not the one you've given. It's because we have a charlatan, a shamster, a blaguer, a serial liar, in charge of this country.
We can see it. Clearly.
The evidence about the left wing bias in universities is overwhelming. Look up the work that Eric Kaufmann has done recently. It is inevitable this has an impact on graduates.
Boris is like Trump, he upsets the values of the educated progressive elite; making no attempt at all to placate them unlike his predecessors. That explains his success with the less educated, who have always been easier to herd for political purposes than intellectuals.
Trump was defeated and appealing to him as some sort of success is most droll.
The 'evidence' you cite is from White Shift Kaufman really isn't the whole picture and it's incredibly patronising to students. I've taught on University campuses much of my life and I can assure you that if a lecturer goes off on one in a left-wing diatribe, or even a more subtle attempt to coerce opinion, students invariably roll their eyes in sheer boredom. Politics has little or no interest unless you're a Dean of politics or a writer on pb.com.
Unless of course you are lumping something like climate change into being a leftie. Trump would. But hopefully you're brighter than that.
Good morning everyone. Lovely bright one here, and the forecast is excellent!
Can I, as a very old man, have a grouse. When I were a lad, as the saying goes, the f word was rarely used among my friends and associates. Indeed, it was considered extremely offensive. Now it's used as noun, adjective and verb on every possible occasion. I was always taught that to use swear words to embellish speech demonstrated a lack of vocabulary, and even more so when writing, unless of course, appropriate for the writing.
Rant over!
Yes, OKC, I am showing my age with this too. Far too much swearing going on, and a sign of inarticularcy. English has much better ways to express.
Prediction. This is quickly going to turn into a war of words, will end up with Tory MPs speaking out against the "lefty" England team getting involved in politics by - erm - refusing to get involved in politics by giving the Clown his photo op.
All this demonstrates is that higher education = progressive political views, particularly amongst people lower than 60. Higher education, particularly in the humanities and social sciences, can involve a significant element of political indoctrination, and this has been increasingly so for 40+ years.
I have a degree in engineering
I was happy to vote for Major, and Hague, and Cameron and May.
BoZo is a disgrace to the office. Every day he is PM is a stain on our nation.
You voted for the person who sent this to to ethnic minority areas?
But is a stain?
You've been driven mad by Brexit.
Come on Philip. I am sure deep inside of you, you know that this is a cheap shot non-argument. Every politician campaigns hard and they are almost invariably dirty. None of them get elected through being saintly.
The difference between moments of aberration and Boris Johnson is that with the latter they are not just moments. They ARE him.
The difference between May and Boris is that Boris gets the big calls right.
He was the first leading Tory to be in favour of gay marriage. He was on the right side in the Brexit referendum. He got a far superior Brexit deal to May's.
One out of three I suppose!
Personally, I was always rather sorry for Hague. Right guy at the wrong time.
I think this is going to go down like a lead ballon outside those who aren't big fans of Boris government. Adding a £200-300 to families food bills.
The experts know best.
What are they experts in - I would get money that it's not economics
The details seems to be to tax wholesale salt and sugar sales, so that wholesale producers use less of it, rather than taxing the salt and sugar content of food.
Seems like if that happens that would simply provide an immediate incentive to offshore wholesale food production then have high salt and sugar meals and treats imported.
A wise decision by the team. They shouldn't be used for political stunts by either party.
In any case, they all need a break. The season starts again in 4 weeks time.
It isn't as if they won anything, and on that score is the correct decision. It is hard for them to avoid becoming pawns in political stunts. We spent weeks reading comments about the political impact (or not) of winning the trophy.
Road pricing.... that's another thing that got the electorate absolutely steaming when it was talked about 15 years ago.
Talk of higher taxes on fuel / airplane travel, road pricing, id cards, those 3 things seemed to really piss a lot of people off when Labour was in power. Hence why the second two got ditched.
Maybe things have changed now among the electorate in regards to this. We will see.
It hasn't but if get £800 a car from duty on fuel and need to get that money from somewhere there really isn't that many options.
Road pricing will have to be investigated as the other options are worse in different ways
By the way, taking a snide pop at educated people for daring to oppose The Leader really is the end of civilisation. It's everything that totalitarian regimes aspire to in herding unthinking masses along the great cause.
Dystopia Now.
Fortunately the wheels are already coming off the Boris Johnson bandwagon. He's too much of a serial liar for it to have stuck around for longer. Someone more wily (Tony Blair for instance) would have got away with it for a lot longer.
We need to be very careful about "the more intelligent you are, the more you see through Liar" arguments. There are plenty of working class people who are street smart in ways that double first at Oxford types are not. What for me seems clear is that people have been led away from their own interests by this shit Pied Piper, and that they're already questioning where the journey is taking them.
Hasn't fed through into polls or results yet - in part because Labour still repel them - but there is growing disquiet as various polls asking questions other than voting intent show. Ultimately we know this will go wrong for Johnson because like Trump he now believes his own lies, and at some point he is going to trip over himself badly.
Final point. There are some very well educated Clown Apologists on here. What is their excuse?
Road pricing.... that's another thing that got the electorate absolutely steaming when it was talked about 15 years ago.
Talk of higher taxes on fuel / airplane travel, road pricing, id cards, those 3 things seemed to really piss a lot of people off when Labour was in power. Hence why the second two got ditched.
Maybe things have changed now among the electorate in regards to this. We will see.
It hasn't but if get £800 a car from duty on fuel and need to get that money from somewhere there really isn't that many options.
Road pricing will have to be investigated as the other options are worse in different ways
Road pricing will have to happen to fill the gap left by duties and VAT on petrol. Of course there are certain civil liberties issues here and some people will get agitated about it but the govt has to get the tax money from somewhere.
The most recent data show the labour market continuing to recover.
The number of payroll employees showed another monthly increase, up 356,000 in June 2021 to 28.9 million. However, it remains 206,000 below pre-coronavirus (COVID-19) pandemic levels. For the first time since the beginning of the pandemic, some regions are now above pre-pandemic (February 2020) levels. These include North East, North West, East Midlands and Northern Ireland.
Following a period of employment growth and low unemployment, since the start of the pandemic, the employment rate has generally decreased, and the unemployment rate increased. However, since the end of 2020 both have shown signs of recovery. In the latest period (March to May 2021), there was an increase in the employment rate of 0.1 percentage points, to 74.8%, and a decrease in the unemployment rate of 0.2 percentage points, to 4.8%. The economic inactivity rate is up 0.1 percentage points on the previous quarter, to 21.3%.
When I was a teenager, high unemployment was seen as a very bad thing, and conversely, low unemployment a good thing. I'm not sure that holds good today, with all the moaning about labour shortages.
A combination of higher pay, corporate investment in training, and replacement of unskilled labour with capital, will sort out labour shortages - to the benefit of society overall.
I thought it wonderful when Lord Rose explained that one of the downsides to Brexit would be higher wages.
By the way, taking a snide pop at educated people for daring to oppose The Leader really is the end of civilisation. It's everything that totalitarian regimes aspire to in herding unthinking masses along the great cause.
Dystopia Now.
Fortunately the wheels are already coming off the Boris Johnson bandwagon. He's too much of a serial liar for it to have stuck around for longer. Someone more wily (Tony Blair for instance) would have got away with it for a lot longer.
Road pricing.... that's another thing that got the electorate absolutely steaming when it was talked about 15 years ago.
Talk of higher taxes on fuel / airplane travel, road pricing, id cards, those 3 things seemed to really piss a lot of people off when Labour was in power. Hence why the second two got ditched.
Maybe things have changed now among the electorate in regards to this. We will see.
It hasn't but if get £800 a car from duty on fuel and need to get that money from somewhere there really isn't that many options.
Road pricing will have to be investigated as the other options are worse in different ways
Fuel was taxed because fuel had externalities and was environmentally toxic.
Now that drivers are switching away from fuel, there seems to be a desire to keep raising revenues from drivers rather than simply accept that fuel has gone and that society as a whole needs to pay for its costs.
Its like having if smokers all quit smoking placing a tax on ex-smokers to replace tobacco taxes.
Road pricing.... that's another thing that got the electorate absolutely steaming when it was talked about 15 years ago.
Talk of higher taxes on fuel / airplane travel, road pricing, id cards, those 3 things seemed to really piss a lot of people off when Labour was in power. Hence why the second two got ditched.
Maybe things have changed now among the electorate in regards to this. We will see.
It hasn't but if get £800 a car from duty on fuel and need to get that money from somewhere there really isn't that many options.
Road pricing will have to be investigated as the other options are worse in different ways
Fuel was taxed because fuel had externalities and was environmentally toxic.
Now that drivers are switching away from fuel, there seems to be a desire to keep raising revenues from drivers rather than simply accept that fuel has gone and that society as a whole needs to pay for its costs.
Its like having if smokers all quit smoking placing a tax on ex-smokers to replace tobacco taxes.
Motorists should still pay some form of tax to, as a bare minimum, fund the road network.
Good morning everyone. Lovely bright one here, and the forecast is excellent!
Can I, as a very old man, have a grouse. When I were a lad, as the saying goes, the f word was rarely used among my friends and associates. Indeed, it was considered extremely offensive. Now it's used as noun, adjective and verb on every possible occasion. I was always taught that to use swear words to embellish speech demonstrated a lack of vocabulary, and even more so when writing, unless of course, appropriate for the writing.
Rant over!
I read somewhere that among other ranks in ww2 it was in such common use they it almost ceased to be offensive. It crops up a lot in contemporary fiction (where it was written "bucking" to get part the censors).
In other news, I called corruption. Outrageous said the Clown Apologists. And now that Mancock can be used as the scapegoat for all failings what do leaked emails show?
Road pricing.... that's another thing that got the electorate absolutely steaming when it was talked about 15 years ago.
Talk of higher taxes on fuel / airplane travel, road pricing, id cards, those 3 things seemed to really piss a lot of people off when Labour was in power. Hence why the second two got ditched.
Maybe things have changed now among the electorate in regards to this. We will see.
It hasn't but if get £800 a car from duty on fuel and need to get that money from somewhere there really isn't that many options.
Road pricing will have to be investigated as the other options are worse in different ways
Fuel was taxed because fuel had externalities and was environmentally toxic.
Now that drivers are switching away from fuel, there seems to be a desire to keep raising revenues from drivers rather than simply accept that fuel has gone and that society as a whole needs to pay for its costs.
Its like having if smokers all quit smoking placing a tax on ex-smokers to replace tobacco taxes.
Motorists should still pay some form of tax to, as a bare minimum, fund the road network.
Absolutely that is reasonable. VED raises nearly as much as is spent on the roads. Fuel duty raises about £40bn more than is spent on the roads.
Keeping VED and having approximately half a penny per kWh would replace all of fuel duty and be "fair". Drivers would be paying via when they refuel their electric cars and would still pay more tax from that than is spent on roads - but the rest of society would pay its fair share too.
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Without adjusting for this, simplistic degree / no degree is strongly a proxy for age.
https://twitter.com/BrookesTimes/status/1415282011657363460
This is thoroughly unpleasant.
I've written plenty of stories that have been fiercely critical of the Home Office during Patel's time there but this is an abhorrent image.
https://twitter.com/RKWinvisibleman/status/1415316610076848130?s=19
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-57838103
I think this is going to go down like a lead ballon outside those who aren't big fans of Boris government. Adding a £200-300 to families food bills is a rather tricky sell to say the least, especially among the current Tory Red Wall supporters.
I am saying those that will probably like this policy, don't like Boris and no intention of ever voting for him. Where as his current support base, e.g. the likes of your white working class, inspires to have a middle class lifestyle, types, isn't going to like the sound of £200 extra on his food bill nor the nanny stating.
Remember the government are really pushing ahead with the eco stuff, that isn't going to be winning them many red wall voters. Again something that non-Tory voters want e.g. electric vehicles coming in much sooner, but it won't make them vote Tory while Boris is in charge.
Oldies heavily skew Tory, they are scared of covid, and Boris is saying open everything up, masks they are optional, etc.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/environment/2021/07/14/cars-flights-hit-green-taxes/ (£££)
Talk of higher taxes on fuel / airplane travel, road pricing, id cards, those 3 things seemed to really piss a lot of people off when Labour was in power. Hence why the second two got ditched.
Maybe things have changed now among the electorate in regards to this. We will see.
I've always felt that clown Sunak is completely out of his depth.
While we’re patiently waiting, here’s the Ipsos Mori findings for Scottish VI:
SNP 51%
Con 16%
Lab 15%
LD 10%
Grn 2%
oth 5%
https://www.ipsos.com/sites/default/files/ct/news/documents/2021-07/Ipsos MORI Political Monitor tables_140721_PUBLIC.pdf
This feels like a very timely moment to ask - where does racism come in the MORI issues index?
The answer to that question may give a clue re how much impact all the media coverage is likely to have politically.
(From memory I don't ever remember racism scoring anything in the index but would like to see the most up to date survey).
Those with higher education are no more worthy humans than those without it. Period. Especially in matters political.
This is yet another example of the divisions running through our land. It's difficult to avoid accusations of being supercilious but the fact is that intelligent people can see through Boris Johnson. Uneducated people can't.
He's a trickster. A conman. Full of blague, bluster and bullshit.
https://storify.com/services/proxy/2/b28lN2mvhESXHA4XrlHGSg/https/media.fyre.co/DSor2L6NR3e7vNn0SnOl_001-thei-xnf-20210715_1626299259_001.png
He's virtually bankrupt in his private life and he's going to do the same with the public finances. He splurges on vanity projects left, right and centre. Someone should confiscate the credit cards before he does even more damage.
But they ARE better educated.
There's an important difference.
He's not.
There's a good reason he got a 2:1 and not a 1st, not that there's anything wrong with a 2:1 but he was affronted about it. He's lazy, has a poor grasp of detail and tries to pull the wool over people's eyes by highfalutin speech.
Educated people see through it.
Wisdom is proved right by her actions.
PS And of course they don't say it out loud. Hence my use of snide implication. Of course, no one educated likes Johnson - it's only the plebs who do. That is the implication.
Does the useless flabby fucker just like spunking money on vanity purchases?
How dare you criticise our beloved PM just because you have a degree.
Snide? That seems to be you
Yours is the most appalling type of stalinist dystopian nightmare imaginable.
Doesn't matter how frequently or in what way I try to explain that neither of those is wholly, or even in part, true. He's 'just so intelligent' y'see ...
Sadly.
He was elected to "get Brexit done" but the Brexit he delivered is the one of 'project fear'
Northern Ireland trade completely fucked? Check.
Trade with the EU severely disrupted? Check.
Supply chain problems and shortages? Check.
Massive overheads for no material gain? Check.
Labour constraints? Check.
Every day he proves the naysayers right, but there is no joy in that
I'm sure heaping a load of tax onto the weekly shop as we try to emerge from a pandemic-induced period of economic turbulence will be super popular.
Edited extra bit: but it does come with a puritanical lecture attached, so as least it's in accordance with modern fashion.
She blew the dogwhistle, tried to piggyback on the team success, then tried some virtue signalling and was rightly smacked down for it.
It's not an amusing cartoon, but it is painfully on the nose.
May sacked her. No PM except BoZo would ever put her back in cabinet, and he should have sacked her a couple of times since.
The tragedy is that Theresa May wasn't quite strong enough or competent enough to hold off the nutters on the Far Right who were all Brexit or Bust. The situation was aided and abetted by the stupidity of the Labour Party in general and the malevolence of Jeremy Corbyn in particular.
This country is heading downhill. Fast.
I'll site Blair, Milliband, Brown and Corbyn as examples at leadership level.
I was happy to vote for Major, and Hague, and Cameron and May.
BoZo is a disgrace to the office. Every day he is PM is a stain on our nation.
The idea that higher education is full of political indoctrination is terribly old hat and no longer particularly true. But your argument is unravelled by the fact that this divide has never before been seen so starkly. Theresa May did not attract such levels of distrust among the educated. Nor did David Cameron. Nor Gordon Brown. Nor Tony Blair. Nor John Major (himself not educated to degree level). Nor, even, did Margaret Thatcher.
The reason is not the one you've given. It's because we have a charlatan, a shamster, a blaguer, a serial liar, in charge of this country.
We can see it. Clearly.
Quod erat demonstrandum.
It’s confirmed that England’s football team declined the invitation to attend 10 Downing Street. But @BorisJohnson said the team couldn't attend due to no available time to meet & greet. Our Prime Minister wouldn't dare lie would he?
https://twitter.com/MaxRobertFinch/status/1415398322907516931
Boris is like Trump, he upsets the values of the educated progressive elite; making no attempt at all to placate them unlike his predecessors. That explains his success with the less educated, who have always been easier to herd for political purposes than intellectuals.
Well, in my view as a supposedly educated intellectual the most anti intellectual government was that of David Cameron. They were absolutely dreadful. Boris Johnson (and to a lesser extent Theresa May) was a relief.
https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2021/04/david-cameron-and-great-sell-out
The number of payroll employees showed another monthly increase, up 356,000 in June 2021 to 28.9 million. However, it remains 206,000 below pre-coronavirus (COVID-19) pandemic levels. For the first time since the beginning of the pandemic, some regions are now above pre-pandemic (February 2020) levels. These include North East, North West, East Midlands and Northern Ireland.
Following a period of employment growth and low unemployment, since the start of the pandemic, the employment rate has generally decreased, and the unemployment rate increased. However, since the end of 2020 both have shown signs of recovery. In the latest period (March to May 2021), there was an increase in the employment rate of 0.1 percentage points, to 74.8%, and a decrease in the unemployment rate of 0.2 percentage points, to 4.8%. The economic inactivity rate is up 0.1 percentage points on the previous quarter, to 21.3%.
https://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlabourmarket/peopleinwork/employmentandemployeetypes/bulletins/uklabourmarket/july2021
https://twitter.com/Sh3llieeeeee/status/1415284015100272640
https://thecritic.co.uk/missing-from-the-penalty-spot/ https://twitter.com/RobDotHutton/status/1415555105122918404/photo/1
But Boris is a stain?
You've been driven mad by Brexit.
Can I, as a very old man, have a grouse. When I were a lad, as the saying goes, the f word was rarely used among my friends and associates. Indeed, it was considered extremely offensive.
Now it's used as noun, adjective and verb on every possible occasion.
I was always taught that to use swear words to embellish speech demonstrated a lack of vocabulary, and even more so when writing, unless of course, appropriate for the writing.
Rant over!
The difference between moments of aberration and Boris Johnson is that with the latter they are not just moments. They ARE him.
Guardian political correspondent Aubrey Allegretti tweeted: "I’m told that plans to have the England team to Downing Street for a reception this week have been shelved, with attention turning instead to the PM’s levelling up speech in a few days."
I didn't vote for Boris (known liar, not Bright enough to see what he had agreed to).
In any case, they all need a break. The season starts again in 4 weeks time.
Why are you not worried about that?
He was the first leading Tory to be in favour of gay marriage.
He was on the right side in the Brexit referendum.
He got a far superior Brexit deal to May's.
The 'evidence' you cite is from White Shift Kaufman really isn't the whole picture and it's incredibly patronising to students. I've taught on University campuses much of my life and I can assure you that if a lecturer goes off on one in a left-wing diatribe, or even a more subtle attempt to coerce opinion, students invariably roll their eyes in sheer boredom. Politics has little or no interest unless you're a Dean of politics or a writer on pb.com.
Unless of course you are lumping something like climate change into being a leftie. Trump would. But hopefully you're brighter than that.
Personally, I was always rather sorry for Hague. Right guy at the wrong time.
Seems like if that happens that would simply provide an immediate incentive to offshore wholesale food production then have high salt and sugar meals and treats imported.
Road pricing will have to be investigated as the other options are worse in different ways
Same goes when it is Diane a Abbott.
There’s something about strong BAME women some people find challenging.
Like rcs1000 I have little time for Patel and she shouldn’t be in the job but the point can be made without resorting to that sort of crap.
Still, if it floats your boat fill your boots.
Dystopia Now.
Fortunately the wheels are already coming off the Boris Johnson bandwagon. He's too much of a serial liar for it to have stuck around for longer. Someone more wily (Tony Blair for instance) would have got away with it for a lot longer.
Hasn't fed through into polls or results yet - in part because Labour still repel them - but there is growing disquiet as various polls asking questions other than voting intent show. Ultimately we know this will go wrong for Johnson because like Trump he now believes his own lies, and at some point he is going to trip over himself badly.
Final point. There are some very well educated Clown Apologists on here. What is their excuse?
Now that drivers are switching away from fuel, there seems to be a desire to keep raising revenues from drivers rather than simply accept that fuel has gone and that society as a whole needs to pay for its costs.
Its like having if smokers all quit smoking placing a tax on ex-smokers to replace tobacco taxes.
I made the point she shouldn't be in the job.
I didn't mention her gender or ethnicity.
No surprise there.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jul/15/firm-with-ties-to-matt-hancock-given-vip-treatment-emails-suggest?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other
That you imagined it says more about you than me
Keeping VED and having approximately half a penny per kWh would replace all of fuel duty and be "fair". Drivers would be paying via when they refuel their electric cars and would still pay more tax from that than is spent on roads - but the rest of society would pay its fair share too.