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  • MaffewMaffew Posts: 235

    Calgie
    @christiancalgie
    Wow, 34% of 18-34 year olds have deleted the Covid test and trace app according to Savanta ComRes

    Based on people I know, plenty more have got it but have turned off the contact tracing function.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,959
    edited July 2021
    This thread has been closed, for another new one saying Tories are doing shit.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    edited July 2021
    nico679 said:

    Is this the best you can do to defend these cuts . Children are going to die , does it bother you ?
    No need to be emotive with fake language like that.

    The cuts are absolutely the right thing to do. No it doesn't bother me. It bothers me that my taxes are going on an industry that thinks its appropriate to pay millions to David Miliband in order for the UK to fund aid at a level the EU and USA don't.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 25,737
    IF anyone wants something off-topic for a debate, this is the development I was talking about.

    IN many ways a good plan, with lots of open space against the country park with lake (LHS), and up against the school (top). But they have really upped the density, and taken it from 84 to 110 houses in the latest application which has lost all the detached houses. Steepish site, with several retaining walls - sloping down to the Lake. 4 hectares.





  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,110

    No need to be emotive with fake language like that.

    The cuts are absolutely the right thing to do. No it doesn't bother me. It bothers me that my taxes are going on an industry that thinks its appropriate to pay millions to David Miliband in order for the UK to fund aid at a level the EU and USA don't.
    Before you edited this, your first sentence was “Children die.”
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 18,056
    RobD said:

    Wasn't the age crossover much lower than 60? Around 40 if I remember rightly.
    True, but there's also been a massive shift in the age/voting gradient. I've posted this link before, but until quite recently, the "you get more Conservative as you age" thing was a fairly mild process- now it's massive.

    https://timothylikeszebras.wordpress.com/2019/11/26/the-old-people-are-coming/
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,831

    Thread closed; go home.

  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 58,837

    Since 2010 every area of government expenditure bar two has been subject to rigorous spending reviews and austerity. The only exceptions are the Health and International Aid.

    Healthy for obvious reasons can't be cut. Everything else has already been subject to austerity. By series of elimination that leaves one issue alone where the fat has not been trimmed.

    So if you think there's another area whereby £4bn in expenditure cuts can be made almost overnight then I'd love to hear what it is as an alternative and why it's not been done yet.

    Specifically which anything else are you thinking of instead?
    Ah hem... pensions, health and international aid.

    The amount the UK Government spends on pensions and health is set by the triple lock and by an ageing population. This means that it's increased from the high 30s as a percent of spending in the 1980s, to over 50% now. Every year it increases, and that means that there will be continued (and permanent) pressure on other parts of the budget.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,110
    rcs1000 said:

    Ah hem... pensions, health and international aid.

    The amount the UK Government spends on pensions and health is set by the triple lock and by an ageing population. This means that it's increased from the high 30s as a percent of spending in the 1980s, to over 50% now. Every year it increases, and that means that there will be continued (and permanent) pressure on other parts of the budget.
    Not only that but the govt faces a corona-shaped black hole in the budget; not quite as bad as was feared last year but still horribly, horribly bad.

    Sunak is a strict fiscal conservative and is busy planning for austerity 2.0 (or is it 3.0) to balance the books.
  • NorthofStokeNorthofStoke Posts: 1,758

    I definitely think age is right up there with class and race as drivers of British politics nowadays which feels unusual. The debate on here this evening feels way too personal against BigG though.

    I agree that the cohort of older people have put their own interests ahead of those younger than them, but think a lot of that is down to them misunderstanding the challenges the young face rather than selfishness. (To be clear, that is not directed at you BigG, its a generalisation which will be true of some, and not others.)
    Not necessarily consciously. There have been two colossal changes that have differentially affected generations and geographical areas. First a huge ratchet in house prices due to several factors (increased mortgage multiples particularly for couples, immigration, planning restrictions, foreign investment, BTL) at its most extreme in the SE. Second the decline of private sector pensions accelerated by the effects of the 2008 crisis. Things weren't a bed of roses though when I started out with much higher levels of unemployment. Pensioners are not homogenous and neither are the young so twitter style sniping is not going to get us very far.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,973
    She’ll be kicking the arses of her SCon colleagues who sat on them presumably.
    Or not.

    https://twitter.com/ruthdavidsonpc/status/1414972022577324036?s=21
  • MaxPB said:

    No, your wages will be spunked on buying votes from old farts and you'll like it.
    Hope you're well Max, know we haven't agreed on much of late but glad we can find agreement here
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