Why doesn't he ask his boss, the last politician who tried to take on a footballer how that turned out.....
Personally I'm getting a bit sick of the footballers putting their oar in.
I'm not sure who is advising Ming's but to put forward that an Asian home secretary is racist is unfathomable. I don't agree with Patel on a lot of things but I personally think taking the knee has gone too far and is just gesture politics just like the kick it out stuff that used to be trailed at football. Does anyone sane think that footballers doing that has any impact on the level of racism in the world? Are we really saying that the undoubtedly racist people around are going to see the images and think they are wrong for being racist?
I was listening to radio 4 yesterday and they actually put forward the idea that Saka, Sancho and Rashford were only being criticised for missing their penalties because they are black. Now I don't have to think hard to remember the criticism of previous penalty takers such as southgate and Pearce, and who can forget the gallows and effigy if Beckham after his world cup red card.
Like 99% of other people I want less racism in the world but it seems that we have entered the twilight zone since Sunday.
I think there's a lot to agree with there. Defacing the Rashford mural was apalling behaviour but the BBC describing it as racist showed they have no understanding or memory of the abuse previous England fall guys have faced.
Do we know what was written on it? I had assumed from the coverage that the (unquoted) words were racist.
Had it been "don't dance about like a drunken goat before kicking the ball" then I assume it would have been quoted.
The BBC and Sky pieces reported 'Fuck' 'Shit' and 'Bastard' but did not mention any racist words, only the headline implied 'racist graffiti'. The MEN did not mention any racist words but the Police said 'racially aggrivated graffiti' whatever that is. I stand corrected if I'm wrong but the reporting of the story either left out some key facts or let their imaginations run wild.
The fact the Government called the Overseas Aid vote, and that the Prime Minster opened the debate, shows Boris still believes Britain isn’t Twitter. And he’s probably right.
The trouble with masks is that they're rarely worn where they would have the most impact: when indoors in close proximity to others for an extended duration, i.e, at home or in a pub/restaurant with friends and family. Instead, this is where we feel safe enough to take them off.
The relative trajectories of the pandemics in England & Scotland will be interesting....
The other trouble (as I noticed last night on what would normally have been a near-empty train but which was rammed full because the flash floods in London has caused a lot of other trains to be cancelled) is that the people who don't wear masks, even when they are compulsory, are precisely those who absolutely should be wearing them because they are the most likely to be infectious.
Making it voluntary in such circumstances is raving bonkers. On the contrary, we should be enforcing it more stringently.
Alternatively you should get your vaccine.
Or an FFP3 mask.
Don't put your faith in strangers to do your job for you.
Got my vaccine.
Have got FFP3 masks, but was not expecting to need one on this train.
But you are absolutely right. I don't put my faith in all strangers to be responsible. That's exactly why it should be compulsory, not up to random, arrogant, irresponsible 20-year old who is not yet vaccinated, thinks he's invulnerable, and who has been out boozing with his mates so is disproportionately likely to be a danger to others.
Thankfully we don't live in a totalitarian state and I hope we never do.
Which is exactly why if you were bothered you should have been carrying an FFP3 mask. The 20 year old is doing nothing wrong and should back that up.
Err, he and a substantial number of others on what I suspect will be a super-spreader crowded train journey were breaking the law.
And mandating sensible, low-impact precautions to protect lives and reduce the impact a very nasty disease during the worst pandemic in at least 100 years is hardly 'totalitarian'. Don't be daft. It's actually just common sense.
He's only breaking the law if he's not exempt. How do you know he's not exempt? Do you have access to his personal medical history or did you just make a crass assumption about someone else? 🤔
Mask mandates at force of law, where zealots like yourself feel that it should be compelled by force on people who don't want to wear one, who just assume that others aren't medically exempt without knowing anything about other people is not a "sensible, low-impact precaution" it is a high impact one. And the only way to get the law enforced, if people don't want to voluntarily follow the rules, is to be increasingly draconian. And/or to get rid of all the very many exemptions that apply.
C'mon, I'm not a complete fool. Yes, I am quite certain that the vast majority of those not wearing their masks on this crowded train are not exempt. Quite apart from anything else, many of them had masks round their necks or round their chins.
Is it possible that one or two were exempt? Yes, of course. Is it possible that more than that, mostly healthy youngsters, were? No of course it's not. You're not normally this naive, are you?
YOung people have made the calculation that the unpleasantness and alienation of mask wearing are not worth doing considering covid doesn't affect them that much.
And they are correct in that calculation.
If putting a mask on causes them distress then they are exempt and there is no need in the law to show meddling curtain twitching busybodies like Mr Nabavi that.
But we never used to hear about this huge mass of people upset to the point of illness by wearing masks, which are required in many employments.
The implications are
(a) some people simply kept away from these jobs (B) some people are trying it on because they are crybabies or inconsiderate or selfish etc (c) some people have been panicked by the general covid situation (very real issue as someone (Selebian?) suggested was the case for children more generally ion a discussion fo long covid data)
What was the balance? I don't know.
On (c) if it was in reference to my comment, then what I said (or at least, meant to say) was that the study I'm aware of seems to be finding little difference in long Covid symptoms in children among those who did and did not have Covid, but the symptoms do seem far more common than pre-pandemic (although there wasn't so much research on these symptoms pre-pandemic). If so, there seems to be a real pandemic effect on children's health - at least in the short term - but not, as far as can be seen, from actually getting infected.
(the study is still in progress, not published or even pre-pub, so give as much weight for now as any anecdote, it's just chat among colleagues a couple of times removed)
Why doesn't he ask his boss, the last politician who tried to take on a footballer how that turned out.....
Personally I'm getting a bit sick of the footballers putting their oar in.
I'm not sure who is advising Ming's but to put forward that an Asian home secretary is racist is unfathomable. I don't agree with Patel on a lot of things but I personally think taking the knee has gone too far and is just gesture politics just like the kick it out stuff that used to be trailed at football. Does anyone sane think that footballers doing that has any impact on the level of racism in the world? Are we really saying that the undoubtedly racist people around are going to see the images and think they are wrong for being racist?
I was listening to radio 4 yesterday and they actually put forward the idea that Saka, Sancho and Rashford were only being criticised for missing their penalties because they are black. Now I don't have to think hard to remember the criticism of previous penalty takers such as southgate and Pearce, and who can forget the gallows and effigy if Beckham after his world cup red card.
Like 99% of other people I want less racism in the world but it seems that we have entered the twilight zone since Sunday.
I think there's a lot to agree with there. Defacing the Rashford mural was apalling behaviour but the BBC describing it as racist showed they have no understanding or memory of the abuse previous England fall guys have faced.
Do we know what was written on it? I had assumed from the coverage that the (unquoted) words were racist.
Had it been "don't dance about like a drunken goat before kicking the ball" then I assume it would have been quoted.
The BBC and Sky pieces reported 'Fuck' 'Shit' and 'Bastard' but did not mention any racist words, only the headline implied 'racist graffiti'. The MEN did not mention any racist words but the Police said 'racially aggrivated graffiti' whatever that is. I stand corrected if I'm wrong but the reporting of the story either left out some key facts or let their imaginations run wild.
I saw a picture where there was also something like "suck a d##k". There was one word I couldn't read from the picture, but from what I could see it was very offensive graffiti, but nothing was overtly racist as in the way you may presume was written from the reports.
I doubt it. Whatever people might say they expect their leaders to have more humane instincts than they have themselves. It's also an easy one to shoot down. Is his wallpaper worth some kids in Gaza going hungry?
Actually today's polling does not support that view
Maybe those supporting foreign aid need to make a better case
The problem is that many people are now deeply into the mindset of -
"I am right. And all the proper politicians agree."
To the voters this sounds like
"We have the coinage and the courts. The rabble can have the scraps."
The trouble with masks is that they're rarely worn where they would have the most impact: when indoors in close proximity to others for an extended duration, i.e, at home or in a pub/restaurant with friends and family. Instead, this is where we feel safe enough to take them off.
The relative trajectories of the pandemics in England & Scotland will be interesting....
The other trouble (as I noticed last night on what would normally have been a near-empty train but which was rammed full because the flash floods in London has caused a lot of other trains to be cancelled) is that the people who don't wear masks, even when they are compulsory, are precisely those who absolutely should be wearing them because they are the most likely to be infectious.
Making it voluntary in such circumstances is raving bonkers. On the contrary, we should be enforcing it more stringently.
Alternatively you should get your vaccine.
Or an FFP3 mask.
Don't put your faith in strangers to do your job for you.
Got my vaccine.
Have got FFP3 masks, but was not expecting to need one on this train.
But you are absolutely right. I don't put my faith in all strangers to be responsible. That's exactly why it should be compulsory, not up to random, arrogant, irresponsible 20-year old who is not yet vaccinated, thinks he's invulnerable, and who has been out boozing with his mates so is disproportionately likely to be a danger to others.
Thankfully we don't live in a totalitarian state and I hope we never do.
Which is exactly why if you were bothered you should have been carrying an FFP3 mask. The 20 year old is doing nothing wrong and should back that up.
Err, he and a substantial number of others on what I suspect will be a super-spreader crowded train journey were breaking the law.
And mandating sensible, low-impact precautions to protect lives and reduce the impact a very nasty disease during the worst pandemic in at least 100 years is hardly 'totalitarian'. Don't be daft. It's actually just common sense.
He's only breaking the law if he's not exempt. How do you know he's not exempt? Do you have access to his personal medical history or did you just make a crass assumption about someone else? 🤔
Mask mandates at force of law, where zealots like yourself feel that it should be compelled by force on people who don't want to wear one, who just assume that others aren't medically exempt without knowing anything about other people is not a "sensible, low-impact precaution" it is a high impact one. And the only way to get the law enforced, if people don't want to voluntarily follow the rules, is to be increasingly draconian. And/or to get rid of all the very many exemptions that apply.
C'mon, I'm not a complete fool. Yes, I am quite certain that the vast majority of those not wearing their masks on this crowded train are not exempt. Quite apart from anything else, many of them had masks round their necks or round their chins.
Is it possible that one or two were exempt? Yes, of course. Is it possible that more than that, mostly healthy youngsters, were? No of course it's not. You're not normally this naive, are you?
YOung people have made the calculation that the unpleasantness and alienation of mask wearing are not worth doing considering covid doesn't affect them that much.
And they are correct in that calculation.
If putting a mask on causes them distress then they are exempt and there is no need in the law to show meddling curtain twitching busybodies like Mr Nabavi that.
But we never used to hear about this huge mass of people upset to the point of illness by wearing masks, which are required in many employments.
The implications are
(a) some people simply kept away from these jobs (B) some people are trying it on because they are crybabies or inconsiderate or selfish etc (c) some people have been panicked by the general covid situation (very real issue as someone (Selebian?) suggested was the case for children more generally ion a discussion fo long covid data)
What was the balance? I don't know.
On (c) if it was in reference to my comment, then what I said (or at least, meant to say) was that the study I'm aware of seems to be finding little difference in long Covid symptoms in children among those who did and did not have Covid, but the symptoms do seem far more common than pre-pandemic (although there wasn't so much research on these symptoms pre-pandemic). If so, there seems to be a real pandemic effect on children's health - at least in the short term - but not, as far as can be seen, from actually getting infected.
(the study is still in progress, not published or even pre-pub, so give as much weight for now as any anecdote, it's just chat among colleagues a couple of times removed)
Thank you. It's certainly a serious possibility on principle anyway.
Taking the knee is the literal definition of gesture politics.
Gesture politics is bad when people with power do gestures instead of taking real and significant action.
It is fine when people without power do gestures to take a stand because they have limited power to actually change things.
Actually, I'd argue the footballers and the wider football world have a lot of power with respect to the issue of the day: online abuse.
There is a very simple solution. Leave Twitter. Permanently.
Why should they?
Why should they silence themselves, rather than using their own voice to raise awareness and fight the issue?
Who says anything about silencing them? The PL has loads of money. Surely it wouldn't be too difficult for them to launch their own social media platform that they could police as they see fit.
Twitter is a private company. Twitter polices Twitter. Don't like the way they do it? Leave.
Taking the knee is the literal definition of gesture politics.
Gesture politics is bad when people with power do gestures instead of taking real and significant action.
It is fine when people without power do gestures to take a stand because they have limited power to actually change things.
Actually, I'd argue the footballers and the wider football world have a lot of power with respect to the issue of the day: online abuse.
There is a very simple solution. Leave Twitter. Permanently.
Why should they?
Why should they silence themselves, rather than using their own voice to raise awareness and fight the issue?
Who says anything about silencing them? The PL has loads of money. Surely it wouldn't be too difficult for them to launch their own social media platform that they could police as they see fit.
Twitter is a private company. Twitter polices Twitter. Don't like the way they do it? Leave.
That's one option.
Complaining and being vocal is another, perfectly valid, option.
If Twitter doesn't want people complaining on their platform, they're free to ban those that do.
Why doesn't he ask his boss, the last politician who tried to take on a footballer how that turned out.....
Personally I'm getting a bit sick of the footballers putting their oar in.
I'm not sure who is advising Ming's but to put forward that an Asian home secretary is racist is unfathomable. I don't agree with Patel on a lot of things but I personally think taking the knee has gone too far and is just gesture politics just like the kick it out stuff that used to be trailed at football. Does anyone sane think that footballers doing that has any impact on the level of racism in the world? Are we really saying that the undoubtedly racist people around are going to see the images and think they are wrong for being racist?
I was listening to radio 4 yesterday and they actually put forward the idea that Saka, Sancho and Rashford were only being criticised for missing their penalties because they are black. Now I don't have to think hard to remember the criticism of previous penalty takers such as southgate and Pearce, and who can forget the gallows and effigy if Beckham after his world cup red card.
Like 99% of other people I want less racism in the world but it seems that we have entered the twilight zone since Sunday.
I think there's a lot to agree with there. Defacing the Rashford mural was apalling behaviour but the BBC describing it as racist showed they have no understanding or memory of the abuse previous England fall guys have faced.
Do we know what was written on it? I had assumed from the coverage that the (unquoted) words were racist.
Had it been "don't dance about like a drunken goat before kicking the ball" then I assume it would have been quoted.
The BBC and Sky pieces reported 'Fuck' 'Shit' and 'Bastard' but did not mention any racist words, only the headline implied 'racist graffiti'. The MEN did not mention any racist words but the Police said 'racially aggrivated graffiti' whatever that is. I stand corrected if I'm wrong but the reporting of the story either left out some key facts or let their imaginations run wild.
Well, if there was no racist language then jumping to the conclusion because the person in question is black does seem odd.
This seems to be the best image I can find:
Hard to make out the words to the right - "shite in a..." could be followed by 'black'? Hard to say and there's more text I can't make out at all.
@Philip_Thompson if it comes from the top down, with a PM who has said racist things and said stupid things, then why do you support him?
I was joking. [Stuff] all the way down is an old Terry Pratchett joke, it might even be older than Pratchett.
I think the PM has said stupid things, I don't particularly care. I don't think he's been racist - mocking racism and being racist are not the same thing.
A Chinese military video from 2 days ago. Threatening first strike nukes against Japan if the Japs try to defend Taiwan
#CCP Vows to Nuke #Japan if Japan defends #Taiwan. As Japan is the only country that has been nuked, so nuking Japan "will get twice the result with half the effort." 中共軍事頻道威脅對日本實施連續核打擊，直到日本第二次無條件投降。
Seems to be legit, millions of views (in China, on the original military propaganda channel)
China is flexing its muscles, and they are powerful. Japan will have no choice but to back down. I do not see the West going to nuclear war to defend Taiwan, I do not see how Taiwan can defend itself for that long. Ergo, it is lost
China would have to be insane to attack Taiwan, or to launch nuclear weapons against Japan. When one set flies, they all fly.
Indeed. I couldn't see the yanks not getting involved.
The more they push Japan to acquire nuclear weapons... well, if the Chinese manage that, they will really be out of friends in their part of the world.
The joker in the pack is if the Taiwanese do a side deal with someone and get their own nukes. Then we are really in the fun zone.
This will be what prompted the Chinese sounding off.
Also, I think there's little chance that Japan will accept South Korea's defence budget becoming so much larger than theirs. Expect a ramp in Japanese spending, too.
No surprise. Britons are curtain-twitching, Mail-reading, spite-mongers. Who hate freedom (especially other people’s).
Do you not concede that this poll supports the reduction in foreign aid across all political groups and ages
I don’t believe in running the country according to whatever lowest-denominator impulses can be discerned from polling.
Sad that this is another example of your piously refusing to part with a smidgeon of your triple-locked wealth.
A bit ad hom. , but agreed.
I am still awaiting an apology as I have always supported cancelling the triple lock, though both my wife and I are pensioners
I have said so on here on many occasions
In addition I support the following in case there is any doubt
The £20 Universal credit uplift made permanent
100% behind Marcus Rashford's campaign for free school meals
And I am not alone with conservative mps also supporting these three issues
I wasn't agreeing with the ad hominem, Big_G. But the cut it aid is simply wrong, IMO.
Was 0.7% an optimum that it would have been wrong to cut or increase? If it had been cut from 0.9% to 0.7% would that have been ok? If it had been 0.4% last year and we moved up to 0.5% would that have been simply wrong too?
I am in favour of spending some of our income on foreign aid but not wedded to a particular % so do find it hard to see why 0.7% is sacred and 0.5% simply wrong.
The fact the Government called the Overseas Aid vote, and that the Prime Minster opened the debate, shows Boris still believes Britain isn’t Twitter. And he’s probably right.
Taking the knee is the literal definition of gesture politics.
Gesture politics is bad when people with power do gestures instead of taking real and significant action.
It is fine when people without power do gestures to take a stand because they have limited power to actually change things.
Actually, I'd argue the footballers and the wider football world have a lot of power with respect to the issue of the day: online abuse.
There is a very simple solution. Leave Twitter. Permanently.
Why should they?
Why should they silence themselves, rather than using their own voice to raise awareness and fight the issue?
Who says anything about silencing them? The PL has loads of money. Surely it wouldn't be too difficult for them to launch their own social media platform that they could police as they see fit.
Twitter is a private company. Twitter polices Twitter. Don't like the way they do it? Leave.
That's one option.
Complaining and being vocal is another, perfectly valid, option.
If Twitter doesn't want people complaining on their platform, they're free to ban those that do.
They did the weekend boycott (hilariously the weekend when the super league story broke, that must have been painful for the football press). But most of the gestures are on the pitch. And that's what annoys me. The abuse is online, not in the grounds. Get fighting on the internet lads.
The fact the Government called the Overseas Aid vote, and that the Prime Minster opened the debate, shows Boris still believes Britain isn’t Twitter. And he’s probably right.
Paul Waugh's analysis is today is a big victory for Sunak, and the day he takes over from Johnson could be getting closer.
Difficult to disagree.
I have long said that the ideal play for the Tories is to get through COVID and then shuffle off Boris before the GE. They can then say he was responsible for whatever Brexit problems and I am sure any public inquiry will lay any blame at his and Hancock's door.
No surprise. Britons are curtain-twitching, Mail-reading, spite-mongers. Who hate freedom (especially other people’s).
Do you not concede that this poll supports the reduction in foreign aid across all political groups and ages
I don’t believe in running the country according to whatever lowest-denominator impulses can be discerned from polling.
Sad that this is another example of your piously refusing to part with a smidgeon of your triple-locked wealth.
A bit ad hom. , but agreed.
I am still awaiting an apology as I have always supported cancelling the triple lock, though both my wife and I are pensioners
I have said so on here on many occasions
In addition I support the following in case there is any doubt
The £20 Universal credit uplift made permanent
100% behind Marcus Rashford's campaign for free school meals
And I am not alone with conservative mps also supporting these three issues
I wasn't agreeing with the ad hominem, Big_G. But the cut it aid is simply wrong, IMO.
Was 0.7% an optimum that it would have been wrong to cut or increase? If it had been cut from 0.9% to 0.7% would that have been ok? If it had been 0.4% last year and we moved up to 0.5% would that have been simply wrong too?
I am in favour of spending some of our income on foreign aid but not wedded to a particular % so do find it hard to see why 0.7% is sacred and 0.5% simply wrong.
I wouldn't argues it's sacred, but making such dramatic aid cuts during a pandemic which is affecting, and will continue disproportionately to affect aid receiving countries is wrong, IMO.
Why doesn't he ask his boss, the last politician who tried to take on a footballer how that turned out.....
Personally I'm getting a bit sick of the footballers putting their oar in.
I'm not sure who is advising Ming's but to put forward that an Asian home secretary is racist is unfathomable. I don't agree with Patel on a lot of things but I personally think taking the knee has gone too far and is just gesture politics just like the kick it out stuff that used to be trailed at football. Does anyone sane think that footballers doing that has any impact on the level of racism in the world? Are we really saying that the undoubtedly racist people around are going to see the images and think they are wrong for being racist?
I was listening to radio 4 yesterday and they actually put forward the idea that Saka, Sancho and Rashford were only being criticised for missing their penalties because they are black. Now I don't have to think hard to remember the criticism of previous penalty takers such as southgate and Pearce, and who can forget the gallows and effigy if Beckham after his world cup red card.
Like 99% of other people I want less racism in the world but it seems that we have entered the twilight zone since Sunday.
I think there's a lot to agree with there. Defacing the Rashford mural was apalling behaviour but the BBC describing it as racist showed they have no understanding or memory of the abuse previous England fall guys have faced.
Do we know what was written on it? I had assumed from the coverage that the (unquoted) words were racist.
Had it been "don't dance about like a drunken goat before kicking the ball" then I assume it would have been quoted.
The BBC and Sky pieces reported 'Fuck' 'Shit' and 'Bastard' but did not mention any racist words, only the headline implied 'racist graffiti'. The MEN did not mention any racist words but the Police said 'racially aggrivated graffiti' whatever that is. I stand corrected if I'm wrong but the reporting of the story either left out some key facts or let their imaginations run wild.
Well, if there was no racist language then jumping to the conclusion because the person in question is black does seem odd.
This seems to be the best image I can find:
Hard to make out the words to the right - "shite in a..." could be followed by 'black'? Hard to say and there's more text I can't make out at all.
It looks like Shit fucking bastard to me. Reporting of incidents like this need to be careful, adding a racial angle where there possibly isn't one due to shoddy reporting is certainly not going to help Mr Rashford (or millions of others) feel any better, and nor will it help social cohesion.
@Philip_Thompson if it comes from the top down, with a PM who has said racist things and said stupid things, then why do you support him?
I was joking. [Stuff] all the way down is an old Terry Pratchett joke, it might even be older than Pratchett.
I think the PM has said stupid things, I don't particularly care. I don't think he's been racist - mocking racism and being racist are not the same thing.
You are commended for standing up to Corbyn for racism but you have a total blindspot with Johnson. If Corbyn had said what Johnson said, you would not turn a blind eye.
You will not combat it in your own party - and I can only conclude that is for factional reasons. Disappointing.
No surprise. Britons are curtain-twitching, Mail-reading, spite-mongers. Who hate freedom (especially other people’s).
Do you not concede that this poll supports the reduction in foreign aid across all political groups and ages
I don’t believe in running the country according to whatever lowest-denominator impulses can be discerned from polling.
Sad that this is another example of your piously refusing to part with a smidgeon of your triple-locked wealth.
A bit ad hom. , but agreed.
I am still awaiting an apology as I have always supported cancelling the triple lock, though both my wife and I are pensioners
I have said so on here on many occasions
In addition I support the following in case there is any doubt
The £20 Universal credit uplift made permanent
100% behind Marcus Rashford's campaign for free school meals
And I am not alone with conservative mps also supporting these three issues
I wasn't agreeing with the ad hominem, Big_G. But the cut it aid is simply wrong, IMO.
I don't think there is anything magical about 0.5 vs 0.7, but I think it is a small amount in the big picture and the main professed reasoning behind cutting it doesn't stack up so it should be maintained given whilst things are not spent perfectly we can be pretty sure there will be some quite serious netagative effects..
@Philip_Thompson if it comes from the top down, with a PM who has said racist things and said stupid things, then why do you support him?
I was joking. [Stuff] all the way down is an old Terry Pratchett joke, it might even be older than Pratchett.
I think the PM has said stupid things, I don't particularly care. I don't think he's been racist - mocking racism and being racist are not the same thing.
You are commended for standing up to Corbyn for racism but you have a total blindspot with Johnson. If Corbyn had said what Johnson said, you would not turn a blind eye.
You will not combat it in your own party - and I can only conclude that is for factional reasons. Disappointing.
I've called out plenty in my own party for racism and I quit my own party when someone I considered a racist xenophobe became leader.
Why do you find it so hard to believe that I genuinely consider May and Corbyn to be racists but not Keir or Boris?
No surprise. Britons are curtain-twitching, Mail-reading, spite-mongers. Who hate freedom (especially other people’s).
Do you not concede that this poll supports the reduction in foreign aid across all political groups and ages
I don’t believe in running the country according to whatever lowest-denominator impulses can be discerned from polling.
Sad that this is another example of your piously refusing to part with a smidgeon of your triple-locked wealth.
A bit ad hom. , but agreed.
I am still awaiting an apology as I have always supported cancelling the triple lock, though both my wife and I are pensioners
I have said so on here on many occasions
In addition I support the following in case there is any doubt
The £20 Universal credit uplift made permanent
100% behind Marcus Rashford's campaign for free school meals
And I am not alone with conservative mps also supporting these three issues
I wasn't agreeing with the ad hominem, Big_G. But the cut it aid is simply wrong, IMO.
Was 0.7% an optimum that it would have been wrong to cut or increase? If it had been cut from 0.9% to 0.7% would that have been ok? If it had been 0.4% last year and we moved up to 0.5% would that have been simply wrong too?
I am in favour of spending some of our income on foreign aid but not wedded to a particular % so do find it hard to see why 0.7% is sacred and 0.5% simply wrong.
I wouldn't argues it's sacred, but making such dramatic aid cuts during a pandemic which is affecting, and will continue disproportionately to affect aid receiving countries is wrong, IMO.
Surely we are going to be spending significant sums financing vaccines against Covid in the next 2-3 years for countries that cannot afford them? Surely we are going to ensure that the manufacturing capacity for vaccines we have built in this country at considerable expense keeps going at full tilt until this pernicious disease is under control everywhere? Why is this not going to make this argument academic? I can't help feeling that Boris wants this fight but will in fact spend more than 0.7% in the end.
I doubt it. Whatever people might say they expect their leaders to have more humane instincts than they have themselves. It's also an easy one to shoot down. Is his wallpaper worth some kids in Gaza going hungry?
Actually today's polling does not support that view
Maybe those supporting foreign aid need to make a better case
The zeitgeist definitely seems to be moving away from you. It's a very fickle thing but if you start with pressure groups like Oxfam and mainstream charities and most decent MPs and respected personalities and sportsmen you might find yourself struggling.
@Philip_Thompson if it comes from the top down, with a PM who has said racist things and said stupid things, then why do you support him?
I was joking. [Stuff] all the way down is an old Terry Pratchett joke, it might even be older than Pratchett.
I think the PM has said stupid things, I don't particularly care. I don't think he's been racist - mocking racism and being racist are not the same thing.
You are commended for standing up to Corbyn for racism but you have a total blindspot with Johnson. If Corbyn had said what Johnson said, you would not turn a blind eye.
You will not combat it in your own party - and I can only conclude that is for factional reasons. Disappointing.
Mr CHB, here's a straight question for you.
If the conservatives bring back domestic vaccine passports in the autumn for venues like night clubs, live music venues and rock festivals, what do you think labour should do? back or vote against?? (they may well have the balance of power on this after all).
No surprise. Britons are curtain-twitching, Mail-reading, spite-mongers. Who hate freedom (especially other people’s).
Do you not concede that this poll supports the reduction in foreign aid across all political groups and ages
I don’t believe in running the country according to whatever lowest-denominator impulses can be discerned from polling.
Sad that this is another example of your piously refusing to part with a smidgeon of your triple-locked wealth.
A bit ad hom. , but agreed.
I am still awaiting an apology as I have always supported cancelling the triple lock, though both my wife and I are pensioners
I have said so on here on many occasions
In addition I support the following in case there is any doubt
The £20 Universal credit uplift made permanent
100% behind Marcus Rashford's campaign for free school meals
And I am not alone with conservative mps also supporting these three issues
I wasn't agreeing with the ad hominem, Big_G. But the cut it aid is simply wrong, IMO.
I don't think there is anything magical about 0.5 vs 0.7, but I think it is a small amount in the big picture and the main professed reasoning behind cutting it doesn't stack up so it should be maintained given whilst things are not spent perfectly we can be pretty sure there will be some quite serious netagative effects..
The fact that the Covid response has blown out budget wide open and left a massive deficit that needs closing back down doesn't stack up?
I doubt it. Whatever people might say they expect their leaders to have more humane instincts than they have themselves. It's also an easy one to shoot down. Is his wallpaper worth some kids in Gaza going hungry?
Actually today's polling does not support that view
Maybe those supporting foreign aid need to make a better case
The zeitgeist definitely seems to be moving away from you. It's a very fickle thing but if you start with pressure groups like Oxfam and mainstream charities and most decent MPs and respected personalities and sportsmen you might find yourself struggling.
To be honest on this subject I am sitting on the fence
I can see both sides of the argument but haven't Oxfam had their own issues over safeguarding of children
No surprise. Britons are curtain-twitching, Mail-reading, spite-mongers. Who hate freedom (especially other people’s).
Do you not concede that this poll supports the reduction in foreign aid across all political groups and ages
I don’t believe in running the country according to whatever lowest-denominator impulses can be discerned from polling.
Sad that this is another example of your piously refusing to part with a smidgeon of your triple-locked wealth.
A bit ad hom. , but agreed.
I am still awaiting an apology as I have always supported cancelling the triple lock, though both my wife and I are pensioners
I have said so on here on many occasions
In addition I support the following in case there is any doubt
The £20 Universal credit uplift made permanent
100% behind Marcus Rashford's campaign for free school meals
And I am not alone with conservative mps also supporting these three issues
I wasn't agreeing with the ad hominem, Big_G. But the cut it aid is simply wrong, IMO.
I don't think there is anything magical about 0.5 vs 0.7, but I think it is a small amount in the big picture and the main professed reasoning behind cutting it doesn't stack up so it should be maintained given whilst things are not spent perfectly we can be pretty sure there will be some quite serious netagative effects..
The fact that the Covid response has blown out budget wide open and left a massive deficit that needs closing back down doesn't stack up?
There are many other ways they could close the deficit, ways which would close it much more significantly.
The level of focus on international aid to help close the deficit as opposed to anything else is what does not stack up for me. That some people have wanted to reduce it for a long time adds to that suspicion.
Yes, every little helps, but on so many other areas it's magically not an issue but it is for this one? I don't buy that
That's why while I'm not opposed to the principle the way some others are, it seems like the wrong move for the wrong reasons when we can be sure of pretty immediate effect.
@Philip_Thompson if it comes from the top down, with a PM who has said racist things and said stupid things, then why do you support him?
I was joking. [Stuff] all the way down is an old Terry Pratchett joke, it might even be older than Pratchett.
I think the PM has said stupid things, I don't particularly care. I don't think he's been racist - mocking racism and being racist are not the same thing.
You are commended for standing up to Corbyn for racism but you have a total blindspot with Johnson. If Corbyn had said what Johnson said, you would not turn a blind eye.
You will not combat it in your own party - and I can only conclude that is for factional reasons. Disappointing.
Mr CHB, here's a straight question for you.
If the conservatives bring back domestic vaccine passports in the autumn for venues like night clubs, live music venues and rock festivals, what do you think labour should do? back or vote against?? (they may well have the balance of power on this after all).
What's this got to do with racism in the Tory Party? Deflect, deflect. It is pathetic.
I doubt it. Whatever people might say they expect their leaders to have more humane instincts than they have themselves. It's also an easy one to shoot down. Is his wallpaper worth some kids in Gaza going hungry?
Actually today's polling does not support that view
Maybe those supporting foreign aid need to make a better case
The zeitgeist definitely seems to be moving away from you. It's a very fickle thing but if you start with pressure groups like Oxfam and mainstream charities and most decent MPs and respected personalities and sportsmen you might find yourself struggling.
There needs to be a much better debate on this topic (along with others!). One problem is that I suspect many voters have low confidence that the money is being spent properly / wisely / morally. Why not put out an annual summary (reasonably detailed) of taxation, domestic expenditure and foreign aid to all households in a similar manner to the expenditure breakdown sent out by local councils?
@Philip_Thompson if it comes from the top down, with a PM who has said racist things and said stupid things, then why do you support him?
I was joking. [Stuff] all the way down is an old Terry Pratchett joke, it might even be older than Pratchett.
I think the PM has said stupid things, I don't particularly care. I don't think he's been racist - mocking racism and being racist are not the same thing.
You are commended for standing up to Corbyn for racism but you have a total blindspot with Johnson. If Corbyn had said what Johnson said, you would not turn a blind eye.
You will not combat it in your own party - and I can only conclude that is for factional reasons. Disappointing.
Mr CHB, here's a straight question for you.
If the conservatives bring back domestic vaccine passports in the autumn for venues like night clubs, live music venues and rock festivals, what do you think labour should do? back or vote against?? (they may well have the balance of power on this after all).
What's this got to do with racism in the Tory Party? Deflect, deflect. It is pathetic.
No surprise. Britons are curtain-twitching, Mail-reading, spite-mongers. Who hate freedom (especially other people’s).
Do you not concede that this poll supports the reduction in foreign aid across all political groups and ages
I don’t believe in running the country according to whatever lowest-denominator impulses can be discerned from polling.
Sad that this is another example of your piously refusing to part with a smidgeon of your triple-locked wealth.
A bit ad hom. , but agreed.
I am still awaiting an apology as I have always supported cancelling the triple lock, though both my wife and I are pensioners
I have said so on here on many occasions
In addition I support the following in case there is any doubt
The £20 Universal credit uplift made permanent
100% behind Marcus Rashford's campaign for free school meals
And I am not alone with conservative mps also supporting these three issues
I wasn't agreeing with the ad hominem, Big_G. But the cut it aid is simply wrong, IMO.
I don't think there is anything magical about 0.5 vs 0.7, but I think it is a small amount in the big picture and the main professed reasoning behind cutting it doesn't stack up so it should be maintained given whilst things are not spent perfectly we can be pretty sure there will be some quite serious netagative effects..
The fact that the Covid response has blown out budget wide open and left a massive deficit that needs closing back down doesn't stack up?
There are many other ways they could close the deficit, ways which would close it much more significantly.
The level of focus on international aid to help close the deficit as opposed to anything else is what does not stack up for me. That some people have wanted to reduce it for a long time adds to that suspicion.
Yes, every little helps, but on so many other areas it's magically not an issue but it is for this one? I don't buy that.
It's nonsense kle, spot on. They can't play the unlimited magic money tree on the one hand and then this on the other.
We're either pro austerity in which case tax rises + cuts all over or we're not.
No surprise. Britons are curtain-twitching, Mail-reading, spite-mongers. Who hate freedom (especially other people’s).
Do you not concede that this poll supports the reduction in foreign aid across all political groups and ages
I don’t believe in running the country according to whatever lowest-denominator impulses can be discerned from polling.
Sad that this is another example of your piously refusing to part with a smidgeon of your triple-locked wealth.
A bit ad hom. , but agreed.
I am still awaiting an apology as I have always supported cancelling the triple lock, though both my wife and I are pensioners
I have said so on here on many occasions
In addition I support the following in case there is any doubt
The £20 Universal credit uplift made permanent
100% behind Marcus Rashford's campaign for free school meals
And I am not alone with conservative mps also supporting these three issues
I wasn't agreeing with the ad hominem, Big_G. But the cut it aid is simply wrong, IMO.
Was 0.7% an optimum that it would have been wrong to cut or increase? If it had been cut from 0.9% to 0.7% would that have been ok? If it had been 0.4% last year and we moved up to 0.5% would that have been simply wrong too?
I am in favour of spending some of our income on foreign aid but not wedded to a particular % so do find it hard to see why 0.7% is sacred and 0.5% simply wrong.
I wouldn't argues it's sacred, but making such dramatic aid cuts during a pandemic which is affecting, and will continue disproportionately to affect aid receiving countries is wrong, IMO.
And it's worth remembering that any sudden spending cut in any field is always inefficient; it's going to be a case of cutting what can be cut for the next few years, not the things it makes sense to cut.
But the politics is the same as "we send X million pounds a week to Brussels". It will always be more popular to spend that money on us instead.
A Chinese military video from 2 days ago. Threatening first strike nukes against Japan if the Japs try to defend Taiwan
#CCP Vows to Nuke #Japan if Japan defends #Taiwan. As Japan is the only country that has been nuked, so nuking Japan "will get twice the result with half the effort." 中共軍事頻道威脅對日本實施連續核打擊，直到日本第二次無條件投降。
Seems to be legit, millions of views (in China, on the original military propaganda channel)
China is flexing its muscles, and they are powerful. Japan will have no choice but to back down. I do not see the West going to nuclear war to defend Taiwan, I do not see how Taiwan can defend itself for that long. Ergo, it is lost
China would have to be insane to attack Taiwan, or to launch nuclear weapons against Japan. When one set flies, they all fly.
They just have to bully Japan into submission, then they could probably take Taiwan with threats. And not fire a single bullet. They are close to having that military superiority
Why would either Taiwan or Japan allow themselves to be bullied? Without question, if China launched a nuclear strike against Japan, the US would hit back very hard. And, trying to take a heavily defended island, across 100 miles of sea sounds like a prelude to disaster to me.
No surprise. Britons are curtain-twitching, Mail-reading, spite-mongers. Who hate freedom (especially other people’s).
Do you not concede that this poll supports the reduction in foreign aid across all political groups and ages
I don’t believe in running the country according to whatever lowest-denominator impulses can be discerned from polling.
Sad that this is another example of your piously refusing to part with a smidgeon of your triple-locked wealth.
A bit ad hom. , but agreed.
I am still awaiting an apology as I have always supported cancelling the triple lock, though both my wife and I are pensioners
I have said so on here on many occasions
In addition I support the following in case there is any doubt
The £20 Universal credit uplift made permanent
100% behind Marcus Rashford's campaign for free school meals
And I am not alone with conservative mps also supporting these three issues
I wasn't agreeing with the ad hominem, Big_G. But the cut it aid is simply wrong, IMO.
I don't think there is anything magical about 0.5 vs 0.7, but I think it is a small amount in the big picture and the main professed reasoning behind cutting it doesn't stack up so it should be maintained given whilst things are not spent perfectly we can be pretty sure there will be some quite serious netagative effects..
The fact that the Covid response has blown out budget wide open and left a massive deficit that needs closing back down doesn't stack up?
There are many other ways they could close the deficit, ways which would close it much more significantly.
The level of focus on international aid to help close the deficit as opposed to anything else is what does not stack up for me. That some people have wanted to reduce it for a long time adds to that suspicion.
Yes, every little helps, but on so many other areas it's magically not an issue but it is for this one? I don't buy that.
It's nonsense kle, spot on. They can't play the unlimited magic money tree on the one hand and then this on the other.
We're either pro austerity in which case tax rises + cuts all over or we're not.
Johnson's Tory Party is cakeism on steroids
Honestly why do the tories need to even turn up to elections when labour are so keen to jump into elephant traps.
44% of labour voters support the aid cuts, polls show.
The New Statesman admitted today that 70% of twitter abuse of black players came from abroad. The labour narrative of a nation of racists just does not hold water.
And vaccine passports is another poison pill heading labour's way, since its YOUR voters that are going to be most affected.
A Chinese military video from 2 days ago. Threatening first strike nukes against Japan if the Japs try to defend Taiwan
#CCP Vows to Nuke #Japan if Japan defends #Taiwan. As Japan is the only country that has been nuked, so nuking Japan "will get twice the result with half the effort." 中共軍事頻道威脅對日本實施連續核打擊，直到日本第二次無條件投降。
Seems to be legit, millions of views (in China, on the original military propaganda channel)
China is flexing its muscles, and they are powerful. Japan will have no choice but to back down. I do not see the West going to nuclear war to defend Taiwan, I do not see how Taiwan can defend itself for that long. Ergo, it is lost
China would have to be insane to attack Taiwan, or to launch nuclear weapons against Japan. When one set flies, they all fly.
Indeed. I couldn't see the yanks not getting involved.
The more they push Japan to acquire nuclear weapons... well, if the Chinese manage that, they will really be out of friends in their part of the world.
The joker in the pack is if the Taiwanese do a side deal with someone and get their own nukes. Then we are really in the fun zone.
This will be what prompted the Chinese sounding off.
Also, I think there's little chance that Japan will accept South Korea's defence budget becoming so much larger than theirs. Expect a ramp in Japanese spending, too.
Oh just leave it Pete, John is just an anti-Starmer bot
I think BJO has been on here longer than you have. I disagree with him on many things, but he does represent a significant strand of leftist pro-Corbyn sentiment.
And I'm hardly one to agree with him, considering his views ...
Apologies if anyone else has already commented on this, but I've been looking at the Covid dashboard stats and found something quite encouraging.
The "percentage change in recent seven day case rates, by specimen date" metric has been in decline for the UK as a whole since late June - peaking at 74.2% on 28 June, and now standing at 30.4% for 8 July, the most recent date for which definitive figures are shown.
However, in Scotland - which, of course, got hit harder and earlier than most of the rest of the country - the comparable figures are a peak of 133.8% on 26 June, falling all the way down to -11% on 8 July, i.e. the rolling seven day case rate has begun to contract outright. It's the first time that negative figures have been reported in Scotland for two months.
Hopefully the remainder of the country will, at its own pace, follow Scotland along a similar trajectory - although it'll be interesting to see if there is marked divergence later in the month, after England abandons mask compulsion and opens the nightclubs. I'm not at all sure that it'll make a huge amount of difference at this stage in proceedings, but frankly, with this rotten disease, who knows?
Why doesn't he ask his boss, the last politician who tried to take on a footballer how that turned out.....
Personally I'm getting a bit sick of the footballers putting their oar in.
I'm not sure who is advising Ming's but to put forward that an Asian home secretary is racist is unfathomable. I don't agree with Patel on a lot of things but I personally think taking the knee has gone too far and is just gesture politics just like the kick it out stuff that used to be trailed at football. Does anyone sane think that footballers doing that has any impact on the level of racism in the world? Are we really saying that the undoubtedly racist people around are going to see the images and think they are wrong for being racist?
I was listening to radio 4 yesterday and they actually put forward the idea that Saka, Sancho and Rashford were only being criticised for missing their penalties because they are black. Now I don't have to think hard to remember the criticism of previous penalty takers such as southgate and Pearce, and who can forget the gallows and effigy if Beckham after his world cup red card.
Like 99% of other people I want less racism in the world but it seems that we have entered the twilight zone since Sunday.
Footballers are part of the country, they have a right to say what they believe. He did not say she was racist, he said she did not support their anti-racism campaign. Asians can be racist. Yes, I am sane, and the actions and words of the people kids want to be like, make a real difference to the number of racists in the country.
You are right on a couple of things, taking the knee is indeed gesture politics, by definition, but gesture politics is not always bad. And the coverage has been overblown.
Of course footballers are free to express themselves but his statement indicates that unless you support taking the knee then you are stoking the fires of racism. I just don't think it's true. Even when I was growing up in the 80s and 90s the racism on the terraces was called just that. It was identified and it was wrong.
You may think that footballers being against racism will have an impact on the hardcore nutters who make up racists in this county, I will respectfully disagree but I should not have doubted anyone's sanity
And of course Asians like any group can be racist. I was a naive student in Bradford in the late 90s and I have to say that I was gobsmacked at the levels of anti semitism.
I'm pretty riled up with the coverage as it really doesn't take much brain power to question some of the reports.
Updated wave compare mirror charts based on latest (13-Jul) data. Using the dates in these charts, at this point in the previous wave we had:
- 4 x covid +ve daily admissions. - 6 x covid +ve patients in hospital. - 19 x the daily covid +ve deaths.
The jabs are doing the biz, but the number of hospitalisations of the 18-64 age band is quite high. That is the worrying stat.
What we really need is the data broken down by vaccinated vs 1st dose vs unvaccinated.....to have a better idea of where things are going.
Yes, it's very frustrating that we don't have that.
The other thing is 18-64 all been batched together for hospital admissions is too wide an age range.
I asked for both from PHE - there is no prospect of banding it into 5 year increments, like deaths and cases, apparently. Or of vaccinated status being added to the data.
Apologies if anyone else has already commented on this, but I've been looking at the Covid dashboard stats and found something quite encouraging.
The "percentage change in recent seven day case rates, by specimen date" metric has been in decline for the UK as a whole since late June - peaking at 74.2% on 28 June, and now standing at 30.4% for 8 July, the most recent date for which definitive figures are shown.
However, in Scotland - which, of course, got hit harder and earlier than most of the rest of the country - the comparable figures are a peak of 133.8% on 26 June, falling all the way down to -11% on 8 July, i.e. the rolling seven day case rate has begun to contract outright. It's the first time that negative figures have been reported in Scotland for two months.
Hopefully the remainder of the country will, at its own pace, follow Scotland along a similar trajectory - although it'll be interesting to see if there is marked divergence later in the month, after England abandons mask compulsion and opens the nightclubs. I'm not at all sure that it'll make a huge amount of difference at this stage in proceedings, but frankly, with this rotten disease, who knows?
It has been said Scotland’s football excursion and schools breaking happened a few weeks ago
Unfortunately far more Tory MP (the vacuous pea brain variety) voted with the disingenuous racist fat fornicator's wretched Government. Very sad that this has happened.
Updated wave compare mirror charts based on latest (13-Jul) data. Using the dates in these charts, at this point in the previous wave we had:
- 4 x covid +ve daily admissions. - 6 x covid +ve patients in hospital. - 19 x the daily covid +ve deaths.
The jabs are doing the biz, but the number of hospitalisations of the 18-64 age band is quite high. That is the worrying stat.
What we really need is the data broken down by vaccinated vs 1st dose vs unvaccinated.....to have a better idea of where things are going.
Yes, it's very frustrating that we don't have that.
The other thing is 18-64 all been batched together for hospital admissions is too wide an age range.
I asked for both from PHE - there is no prospect of banding it into 5 year increments, like deaths and cases, apparently. Or of vaccinated status being added to the data.
I have a suspicion that lack of breakdown in terms of vaccination status is a deliberate ploy, as worry about the scare headline of 1000s infected despite being double jabbed etc....you and I know that it exactly as to he expected, but look how they ran the Andrew Marr story.
Also, I think it looks like all of us are getting covid at some point, but government doesn't want to have that conversation (yet).
I doubt it. Whatever people might say they expect their leaders to have more humane instincts than they have themselves. It's also an easy one to shoot down. Is his wallpaper worth some kids in Gaza going hungry?
Actually today's polling does not support that view
Maybe those supporting foreign aid need to make a better case
The zeitgeist definitely seems to be moving away from you. It's a very fickle thing but if you start with pressure groups like Oxfam and mainstream charities and most decent MPs and respected personalities and sportsmen you might find yourself struggling.
To be honest on this subject I am sitting on the fence
I can see both sides of the argument but haven't Oxfam had their own issues over safeguarding of children
Classy stuff. What are you trying to say? Foreign aid might be bad because child molesters?
I doubt it. Whatever people might say they expect their leaders to have more humane instincts than they have themselves. It's also an easy one to shoot down. Is his wallpaper worth some kids in Gaza going hungry?
Actually today's polling does not support that view
Maybe those supporting foreign aid need to make a better case
The zeitgeist definitely seems to be moving away from you. It's a very fickle thing but if you start with pressure groups like Oxfam and mainstream charities and most decent MPs and respected personalities and sportsmen you might find yourself struggling.
To be honest on this subject I am sitting on the fence
I can see both sides of the argument but haven't Oxfam had their own issues over safeguarding of children
Classy stuff. What are you trying to say? Foreign aid might be bad because child molesters?
Updated wave compare mirror charts based on latest (13-Jul) data. Using the dates in these charts, at this point in the previous wave we had:
- 4 x covid +ve daily admissions. - 6 x covid +ve patients in hospital. - 19 x the daily covid +ve deaths.
The jabs are doing the biz, but the number of hospitalisations of the 18-64 age band is quite high. That is the worrying stat.
What we really need is the data broken down by vaccinated vs 1st dose vs unvaccinated.....to have a better idea of where things are going.
Yes, it's very frustrating that we don't have that.
The other thing is 18-64 all been batched together for hospital admissions is too wide an age range.
I asked for both from PHE - there is no prospect of banding it into 5 year increments, like deaths and cases, apparently. Or of vaccinated status being added to the data.
I have a suspicion that lack of breakdown in terms of vaccination status is a deliberate ploy, as worry about the scare headline of 1000s infected despite being double jabbed etc....you and I know that it exactly as to he expected, but look how they ran the Andrew Marr story.
Also, I think it looks like all of us are getting covid at some point, but government doesn't want to have that conversation (yet).
They are very sensitive about providing errr.. detail on who is vaccinated. For fairly obvious reasons...
I doubt it. Whatever people might say they expect their leaders to have more humane instincts than they have themselves. It's also an easy one to shoot down. Is his wallpaper worth some kids in Gaza going hungry?
Actually today's polling does not support that view
Maybe those supporting foreign aid need to make a better case
The zeitgeist definitely seems to be moving away from you. It's a very fickle thing but if you start with pressure groups like Oxfam and mainstream charities and most decent MPs and respected personalities and sportsmen you might find yourself struggling.
To be honest on this subject I am sitting on the fence
I can see both sides of the argument but haven't Oxfam had their own issues over safeguarding of children
Classy stuff. What are you trying to say? Foreign aid might be bad because child molesters?
Not at all
I am neutral on foreign aid but Oxfam has sullied it's reputation over this matter
And where is my apology over your ascertain I support the triple lock, which I do not
Following Beckham getting sent off against Argentina, the abuse he got from every quarter was absolutely incredible and unrelenting. It was a total pile on for weeks / months, the media, the fans.
The mental toughness he must have had to come back from that was quite incredible.
This is the exact reason I think some of the coverage has been overblown. Criticising a player who is black is not racist if you would say the same about a white player. I've no doubt whatever was on the Rashford mural was racist. It would have been reported somewhere if not. And I don't use Twitter - I used to manage with Scott pasting it here ;-), so I am not sure the volume of racist abuse there but can there be more than a very very small number of racists - I don't think so. But that small number can be both detrimental to society, and inhibit the inclusion of black people as an integral part of society as they are made to feel 'other'.
New Zealand-born rugby union star Quade Cooper has been refused Australian citizenship - despite playing for the national team on 70 occasions.
The former Wallabies fly-half, who has lived in Australia since the age of 13, described the moment his application was rejected on Tuesday as "awkward".
Updated wave compare mirror charts based on latest (13-Jul) data. Using the dates in these charts, at this point in the previous wave we had:
- 4 x covid +ve daily admissions. - 6 x covid +ve patients in hospital. - 19 x the daily covid +ve deaths.
The jabs are doing the biz, but the number of hospitalisations of the 18-64 age band is quite high. That is the worrying stat.
What we really need is the data broken down by vaccinated vs 1st dose vs unvaccinated.....to have a better idea of where things are going.
Yes, it's very frustrating that we don't have that.
The other thing is 18-64 all been batched together for hospital admissions is too wide an age range.
I asked for both from PHE - there is no prospect of banding it into 5 year increments, like deaths and cases, apparently. Or of vaccinated status being added to the data.
Top of page 104 of this latest ICNARC seems to indicate circa 35% of Covid ICU admissions are under 30 in recent weeks. Unfortunately, it's just a graph, no stats.
Following Beckham getting sent off against Argentina, the abuse he got from every quarter was absolutely incredible and unrelenting. It was a total pile on for weeks / months, the media, the fans.
The mental toughness he must have had to come back from that was quite incredible.
This is the exact reason I think some of the coverage has been overblown. Criticising a player who is black is not racist if you would say the same about a white player. I've no doubt whatever was on the Rashford mural was racist. It would have been reported somewhere if not. And I don't use Twitter - I used to manage with Scott pasting it here ;-), so I am not sure the volume of racist abuse there but can there be more than a very very small number of racists - I don't think so. But that small number can be both detrimental to society, and inhibit the inclusion of black people as an integral part of society as they are made to feel 'other'.
Acurally from the photos i have seen it doesn't look like it was racist language... just knuckle dragging abuse.calling him shite, a bastard, drawing of a cock and balls.
That isn't to say he hasn't had a stream of racist abuse on social media.
New Zealand-born rugby union star Quade Cooper has been refused Australian citizenship - despite playing for the national team on 70 occasions.
The former Wallabies fly-half, who has lived in Australia since the age of 13, described the moment his application was rejected on Tuesday as "awkward".
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Why should they silence themselves, rather than using their own voice to raise awareness and fight the issue?
Andrew Mitchell must have rued the day he won Theresa May's support. If ever there was a kiss of death.
https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1414979825891221506?s=20
(the study is still in progress, not published or even pre-pub, so give as much weight for now as any anecdote, it's just chat among colleagues a couple of times removed)
But the cut it aid is simply wrong, IMO.
"I am right. And all the proper politicians agree."
To the voters this sounds like
"We have the coinage and the courts. The rabble can have the scraps."
Twitter is a private company. Twitter polices Twitter. Don't like the way they do it? Leave.
And social media is more like a pub than a newspaper.
Complaining and being vocal is another, perfectly valid, option.
If Twitter doesn't want people complaining on their platform, they're free to ban those that do.
This seems to be the best image I can find:
Hard to make out the words to the right - "shite in a..." could be followed by 'black'? Hard to say and there's more text I can't make out at all.
I think the PM has said stupid things, I don't particularly care. I don't think he's been racist - mocking racism and being racist are not the same thing.
Japan mentions Taiwan stability in defense paper for first time
https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2021/07/13/national/japan-taiwan-defense-paper/
Also, I think there's little chance that Japan will accept South Korea's defence budget becoming so much larger than theirs. Expect a ramp in Japanese spending, too.
If it had been cut from 0.9% to 0.7% would that have been ok?
If it had been 0.4% last year and we moved up to 0.5% would that have been simply wrong too?
I am in favour of spending some of our income on foreign aid but not wedded to a particular % so do find it hard to see why 0.7% is sacred and 0.5% simply wrong.
Difficult to disagree.
But then Malan out for a duck.
Be an interesting chase.
You will not combat it in your own party - and I can only conclude that is for factional reasons. Disappointing.
Why do you find it so hard to believe that I genuinely consider May and Corbyn to be racists but not Keir or Boris?
No principles in this Tory Party. Boris Johnson doesn't have any, so no surprise
Is this just gesture politics on both sides?
Despicable.
If the conservatives bring back domestic vaccine passports in the autumn for venues like night clubs, live music venues and rock festivals, what do you think labour should do? back or vote against?? (they may well have the balance of power on this after all).
I can see both sides of the argument but haven't Oxfam had their own issues over safeguarding of children
The level of focus on international aid to help close the deficit as opposed to anything else is what does not stack up for me. That some people have wanted to reduce it for a long time adds to that suspicion.
Yes, every little helps, but on so many other areas it's magically not an issue but it is for this one? I don't buy that
That's why while I'm not opposed to the principle the way some others are, it seems like the wrong move for the wrong reasons when we can be sure of pretty immediate effect.
We're either pro austerity in which case tax rises + cuts all over or we're not.
Johnson's Tory Party is cakeism on steroids
But the politics is the same as "we send X million pounds a week to Brussels". It will always be more popular to spend that money on us instead.
https://twitter.com/RP131/status/1414982191961067524
Updated wave compare mirror charts based on latest (13-Jul) data. Using the dates in these charts, at this point in the previous wave we had:
- 4 x covid +ve daily admissions.
- 6 x covid +ve patients in hospital.
- 19 x the daily covid +ve deaths.
The jabs are doing the biz, but the number of hospitalisations of the 18-64 age band is quite high. That is the worrying stat.
Also, if you go to the local pub and have to leave because of some ned then the landlord is not doing his job.
Why is he so anti freedom of speech?
Is Johnson going to kick them all out?
https://twitter.com/MattCartoonist/status/1414991984192798722/photo/1
44% of labour voters support the aid cuts, polls show.
The New Statesman admitted today that 70% of twitter abuse of black players came from abroad. The labour narrative of a nation of racists just does not hold water.
And vaccine passports is another poison pill heading labour's way, since its YOUR voters that are going to be most affected.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9779813/Tory-MP-Natalie-Elphicke-forced-groveling-climbdown-attack-England-ace-Marcus-Rashford.html
Like why there is not a single Premier League (professional male footballer?) who is openly gay?
I hate racism: but football needs to get its own house in order in many ways before it starts lecturing others.
https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202107/1228036.shtml
Japan will dig its own grave if it crosses red line of Taiwan question
Sorry if I misled you
And I'm hardly one to agree with him, considering his views ...
The "percentage change in recent seven day case rates, by specimen date" metric has been in decline for the UK as a whole since late June - peaking at 74.2% on 28 June, and now standing at 30.4% for 8 July, the most recent date for which definitive figures are shown.
However, in Scotland - which, of course, got hit harder and earlier than most of the rest of the country - the comparable figures are a peak of 133.8% on 26 June, falling all the way down to -11% on 8 July, i.e. the rolling seven day case rate has begun to contract outright. It's the first time that negative figures have been reported in Scotland for two months.
Hopefully the remainder of the country will, at its own pace, follow Scotland along a similar trajectory - although it'll be interesting to see if there is marked divergence later in the month, after England abandons mask compulsion and opens the nightclubs. I'm not at all sure that it'll make a huge amount of difference at this stage in proceedings, but frankly, with this rotten disease, who knows?
You may think that footballers being against racism will have an impact on the hardcore nutters who make up racists in this county, I will respectfully disagree but I should not have doubted anyone's sanity
And of course Asians like any group can be racist. I was a naive student in Bradford in the late 90s and I have to say that I was gobsmacked at the levels of anti semitism.
I'm pretty riled up with the coverage as it really doesn't take much brain power to question some of the reports.
Also, I think it looks like all of us are getting covid at some point, but government doesn't want to have that conversation (yet).
What are you trying to say? Foreign aid might be bad because child molesters?
It's shocking that so many on here defend this wretched Government. Probably thick and ugly but hey-ho!
I am neutral on foreign aid but Oxfam has sullied it's reputation over this matter
And where is my apology over your ascertain I support the triple lock, which I do not
New Zealand-born rugby union star Quade Cooper has been refused Australian citizenship - despite playing for the national team on 70 occasions.
The former Wallabies fly-half, who has lived in Australia since the age of 13, described the moment his application was rejected on Tuesday as "awkward".
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-57804651
https://www.icnarc.org/DataServices/Attachments/Download/aa75698e-6dde-eb11-9132-00505601089b
Today’s cut is an unholy alliance between Sunak’s “New Austerity” and Boris’s “Own the Libs strategy.”
Big G is cheering it on of course from his Clywdian redoubt.
The victims? Poor people in the third world (and Britain’s reputation / soft power).
*That is the "it's on!!!" merchant.
CON: 43% (+2)
LAB: 32% (-3)
LDEM: 9% (-1)
GRN: 6% (+1)
via @Survation, 05 - 13 Jul
Chgs. w/ 26 Jun
https://twitter.com/BritainElects/status/1414995810526314499
That isn't to say he hasn't had a stream of racist abuse on social media.