These students that are supposed so triggered by a picture of the Queen, they must have total meltdowns on a daily basis, whenever they get a letter or have to handle a bank note.....
I doubt they use paper money or receive letters with stamps on them, TBH. Certainly not daily. Only Boomers use cash.
Even if they don't use it, I can see them having a Cartman style meltdown when somebody pulls out a tenner in front of them at the local fairtrade vegan cafe when they go to get their oatmilk latte.
If I was a betting man I'd say that this is all to get Tory MPs to accept ongoing guidance as a compromise measure. I don't think any kind of delay makes it through the party unscathed, the compromise will be similar to what has been mentioned on here IMO - guidance for unvaccinated and single jabbed people to socialise mostly outdoors, continue wearing masks indoors, WFH wherever possible and in general to avoid crowded places but no legal requirements. June 21st goes ahead and since 2.5m people per week are getting their second dose so the guidance becomes irrelevant within 8 weeks anyway without any delays for businesses and the wider economy.
68% of Americans now think it came from the lab, even as more evidence comes in (and of course this hypothesis is not proven, and may never be)
This implies momentous geopolitical consequences. No politician can ignore this sentiment. It also spells major trouble for those who conspired to hide the theory
If I was a betting man I'd say that this is all to get Tory MPs to accept ongoing guidance as a compromise measure. I don't think any kind of delay makes it through the party unscathed, the compromise will be similar to what has been mentioned on here IMO - guidance for unvaccinated and single jabbed people to socialise mostly outdoors, continue wearing masks indoors, WFH wherever possible and in general to avoid crowded places but no legal requirements. June 21st goes ahead and since 2.5m people per week are getting their second dose so the guidance becomes irrelevant within 8 weeks anyway without any delays for businesses and the wider economy.
I'm not a Boomer but I must say I'm increasing concerned by the use of Boomer as a derogatory term for those over 65 years old.
As other forms of prejudice recede this one seems to be increasingly acceptable; it's not one I'm comfortable with.
Okay Boomer. 65? My kids use it as a derogatory term for anyone over 30.
Yes, it's an acceptable prejudice. These change over time. Race is top of the taboo list, but age is absolutely acceptable.
"Political correctness" is going with the rules of the time, rather than against them. To have been pro-Jew in 1930s Germany would have been very politically incorrect, for example.
I don't know any generation that has weaponised their voting power
If I was a betting man I'd say that this is all to get Tory MPs to accept ongoing guidance as a compromise measure. I don't think any kind of delay makes it through the party unscathed, the compromise will be similar to what has been mentioned on here IMO - guidance for unvaccinated and single jabbed people to socialise mostly outdoors, continue wearing masks indoors, WFH wherever possible and in general to avoid crowded places but no legal requirements. June 21st goes ahead and essential 2.5m people per week are getting their second dose so the guidance becomes irrelevant within 8 weeks anyway without any delays for businesses and the wider economy.
And surely that gives the best compromise between Covid damage and mental health damage. Not to mention least damage to the economy.
There does not seem to be a credible metric by which the NHS falls over if we go ahead with 21st June. I get that we might originally have expected everyone to have been given one jab and most two by then. The vaccine roll-out has been slower than expected when the 21st was set. But really, we are so far along this road of vaccinating those who are vulnerable - with many of those that aren't having made a conscious (albeit poor) choice not to get jabbed.
The six English clubs which secretly agreed to play in a European Super League (ESL) will pay just over £20m to draw a line under their ensuing row with the Premier League.
Any of those clubs which signed up to a similar project would be liable to a penalty of more than £20m and a 30-point Premier League deduction, according to one source.
A 30 point PL deduction in the event that they bottle it again...
The European Commission has tried to exclude the UK from certain projects in the Horizon research programme on the grounds that, like Russia and China, it is a third country which can't be trusted. France supported it. What conclusions should we draw?
68% of Americans now think it came from the lab, even as more evidence comes in (and of course this hypothesis is not proven, and may never be)
This implies momentous geopolitical consequences. No politician can ignore this sentiment. It also spells major trouble for those who conspired to hide the theory
I'm not a Boomer but I must say I'm increasing concerned by the use of Boomer as a derogatory term for those over 65 years old.
As other forms of prejudice recede this one seems to be increasingly acceptable; it's not one I'm comfortable with.
Okay Boomer. 65? My kids use it as a derogatory term for anyone over 30.
Yes, it's an acceptable prejudice. These change over time. Race is top of the taboo list, but age is absolutely acceptable.
"Political correctness" is going with the rules of the time, rather than against them. To have been pro-Jew in 1930s Germany would have been very politically incorrect, for example.
I don't know any generation that has weaponised their voting power to promote their own interests at the expense of others quite as ruthlessly and effectively as the boomers. I reckon if the worst that the young do to them is use Boomer as an insult they've got off lightly.
You exhibit quite unpleasant prejudices yourself on here, wrapped up in a cloak of self-righteousness.
You are no better than anyone else.
I love my cloak of self-righteousness. You're just jealous that your cardigan of permanent indignation isn't nearly so comfortable.
Interesting question from Mrs May (I was expecting foreign aid), but she went on the collapse of the latest Hillsborough case because evidence given to a public enquiry couldn't be prosecuted for perjury and would the govt look at fixing this?
I wonder which potential future enquiries she might have in mind?
68% of Americans now think it came from the lab, even as more evidence comes in (and of course this hypothesis is not proven, and may never be)
This implies momentous geopolitical consequences. No politician can ignore this sentiment. It also spells major trouble for those who conspired to hide the theory
There is no evidence of a "conspiracy' to hide the theory. The "notorious" article which you cite publicly discusses it in detail, and acknowledges that it is possible. ...Although the evidence shows that SARS-CoV-2 is not a purposefully manipulated virus, it is currently impossible to prove or disprove the other theories of its origin described here. However, since we observed all notable SARS-CoV-2 features, including the optimized RBD and polybasic cleavage site, in related coronaviruses in nature, we do not believe that any type of laboratory-based scenario is plausible.
More scientific data could swing the balance of evidence to favor one hypothesis over another...
Oops - quick follow up. I said I'd come to why I thought delaying Freedom Day might be the right decision for the wrong reason. While I implied what I thought the right reason was, I forgot to mention the wrong one.
I'm far from convinced that Delta is that much more transmissable. it's notable that Bedford's vaccination rates are some way below the national average. We have to question whether the greater transmission of Delta is because of the virus or because of the people who have it. Are they acting differently from other parts of the country, or from those who don't? Are they following rules and guidance to the same extent - and so on? Are their vaccination rates the same, or higher, or lower, than the areas and groups not suffering outbreaks?
The question underlying all this is why, when Delta is also found in other countries, has its outbreak in the UK grown far faster than elsewhere?
Now, there are tricky issues surrounding the asking of these questions, which is why they probably won't be asked and are even less likely to be answered honestly and openly. All the same, I can't help but think that the governments assumptions about transmission are not looking at the whole picture and, hence, flawed.
Still, as it turns out, it might be for the best.
My guess/worry is that the UK seeded a large outbreak because we have lots of flights coming from India.
So basically... other countries are going to get the same/larger surge in cases, just a bit later because they don't have as much travel from India, so it will take longer for the virus to become dominant for them.
And those other countries are going to be hit very hard, because their vaccination rates are lower, and this variant seems to lead to more hospitalization.
But that's not happening. I can well see your explanation being right as to why the UK had so many more Delta cases *to begin with* but it doesn't explain why Delta cases have grown so quickly here but not at anything like the same rate in other countries. As you say, given their lower vaccination rates, they should really have grown even faster if the higher R rate is as claimed.
I think it is rising very fast in other countries, just from a much lower base, so it will take longer to show up in headline figures which are still dominated by other variants.
In the US it is 6% of all cases -> but that will rise very quickly -> then it will become noticeable in the headline case numbers.
Also its possibly not comparing like-for-like. The UK has a test positivity rate of 0.6%, the USA one of 2.6% - many states are really not prioritising testing anymore like is happening here, so its quite possible the delta variant is on the rise there but just not even being detected due to an absence of testing.
Especially if its spreading amongst people who get it relatively asymptomatically.
It’s spreading in Canada
‘AHS has confirmed the Delta variant has spread inside Calgary’s Foothills Medical Centre. 16 patients on two units have been infected with B.1.617.2 #COVID19AB
But I thought it only spread in countries where the Prime Minister delayed quarantining Indians to get a trade deal? Surely you're not saying it was inevitable that it would spread everywhere that admitted any foreigners at all?
It looks like Indians are dodging the Canadian travel ban
"Indian Passengers and Students Paying $4,000 for a One-Way Ticket To Land in Canada via Doha and Addis Ababa #Passengers #COVID19Pandemic #Canada #Doha #AddisAbaba #CoronaVirusPandemic"
Which, TBF, is exactly what people coming back from India would have done if the country had been red listed here earlier. In the early days of the pandemic Italy stopped direct flights from China so passengers just went there via connecting flights. The system doesn't work. You need something sadly harsher but based on metrics like "we'll open the borders when we have 80% fully vaccinated" or something. My wife is considering visiting her mother in the US via a flight through Iceland. How do you stop that?
Yes, that's true. I guess you have to impose near-blanket bans, for them to work.
Or discriminate by nationality? But that's grim, and is it even legal?
That's ineffective too. You would be forced to let in a British citizen who had been living in India for many years but keep out an overseas citizen who had lived here for the same time. Or make Australia your guide and keep out your own citizens - which IS racist. The oft repeated "well they shouldn't have been backpacking in India then" trope ignores the inconvenient fact that most Aussies stuck in India are those with family there, not those who went armed with their Lonely Planet and a kaftan.
LONDON — EU officials and diplomats are discussing an emergency plan to solve the impasse over the Brexit settlement in Northern Ireland by restricting Ireland’s access to the bloc’s single market for goods.
The idea, which is causing extreme anxiety in Dublin where officials see it as unfair punishment for its neighbor’s decision to Brexit, is meant as a backup plan to solve the conundrum of where to carry out vital checks on goods. These are designed to protect EU countries from food and plant diseases.
That issue was meant to have been solved by the Northern Ireland protocol, a key part of the Brexit deal, but London is resisting implementing this part of the agreement which it claims is unworkable.
Why would a border between Ireland and the EU be any more “workable” than the border in the Irish Sea?
Or is the theory that having two borders (one EU/Ireland, one in the Irish Sea) makes it easier to justify not enforcing serious controls for either?
Either are workable it’s just the UK understands the sensitivity better than the EU (ex RoI) so is unwilling to inflame tensions in NI
The truly remarkable thing is that the Johnson government chooses to split its own country in preference to accepting any alignment with EU regs. Ireland and the EU are also uncompromising, but nothing as radical as that.
It was intended to be temporary but the EU seems to have no interest Tino of a collaborative approach. In any event it can only be done with ongoing consent
The EU are not wanting to implement it in good faith.
As @RochdalePioneers keeps saying the UK is currently aligned with almost all EU laws, but he draws from that the notion we should commit to remain permanently aligned with them.
But the Protocol says that there the Joint Committee should agree together what checks are required and what is not required. Since the UK is currently aligned, the Joint Committee should be able to write off almost all checks as not required subject to review. The UK is rabies-free and has been for a century so the Joint Committee should be able to acknolwedge that subject to review.
If the UK deviates from laws in the future, or rabies re-enters these isles despite a century of absence, then the Joint Committee ought to be able to require checks from then on, not now.
That the EU aren't using the Joint Committee in good faith means we ought to use Article 16, which is perfectly compatible with international law, until they do.
68% of Americans now think it came from the lab, even as more evidence comes in (and of course this hypothesis is not proven, and may never be)
This implies momentous geopolitical consequences. No politician can ignore this sentiment. It also spells major trouble for those who conspired to hide the theory
A really committed Trump follower must strain to believe simultaneously that the virus was a hoax and a Chinese bio-weapon.
But hasn't the President already announced an inquiry? That's not ignoring it.
Yes. it's just the flu BUT ALSO A MANUFACTURED DEATH PLAGUE
This does have significant implications for US and global politics. Trump was probably right, even if his opinion came amid one of his crazy-ass rants full of multiple other lies
On one thing - but a very major thing - he was maybe closer to the truth than the Dems. Moreover, this "truth" was silenced by liberal-left media and social media, at the very same time that they silenced Trump
You can see how this will play with his loyalists. They will march on the Capitol. Again
Let’s stick with the over 50s as the data is more complete.
In the three weeks between 9th May and 30th May (ref NIMS population data), the proportional increase in first dose vaccination uptake was:
50-59: 1.2% 60-69: 0.7% 70-79: 0.1%
So broadly speaking, uptake will likely settle at 95% for the 70s, something like 91-92% for the 60s and perhaps just shy of 90% for the 50s. Which leaves 1.6 million courageous contrarians aged over 50.
Assume uniform acquired infection of 40% to date across all age groups and that knocks you down to about a million people over 50 with no immunity.
It will be put to the PM that the new variant eventually puts [x%] of these people in hospital. The key will be understanding from those god awful modellers how many at one time. And then politically, what if anything is to be done about it.
This population of a million (plus whatever the 40s cohort settles at (currently 1.6m unvaxxed) risk being the new bed blockers for the next couple of winters, preventing the clearing of the nhs backlog. They are also this government’s voting coalition.
My expectation is no stern words or measures at all will be levelled at them, and it’s then down to how reliable the herd effect is against whatever variant is most prevalent in November on whether we avoid new “non pharmaceutical interventions” this winter. By 2022 the scandal engulfing the government will not be covid deaths but missed cancer diagnoses.
I reran this using ONS data because NIMS triggers Philip.
With NIMS there are 1.67m people over 50 unvaccinated. With ONS it’s 1.54m. Potatoes potartoes. It doesn’t change the modelling the PM will be shown one jot. It will all come down to the plucked from the air assumptions of R with no restrictions, and the hopefully more scientific proportion of unvaxxed liable to be hospitalised.
Because this then guides whether the NHS will be “overwhelmed” or will be able to clear the cancer and heart disease backlog. Personally I think London is going to have to take one for the team and it will be “our guidance is to remain working from home” if you can, while opening up hospitality.
Bollocks to this analysis.
The UK all but banned Ivermectin, a safe effective drug developed in 1975 - cheap, no pesky patents remaining - that can deal with most COVID-19 cases. (No hospital treatment needed.) The USA has restricted it although many doctors are using it.
No profit in it. Oh dear. We can't use it. We must only recommend vaccines or new 'improved' patented drugs.
Youtube censored Dr Pierre Kory's evidence to the US Senate, including how many lives have needlessly lost
90% of PB users seem to lack the power of critical thinking. Ask why cheap effective treatments get suppressed. Ask again. Sack the people in the NHS who operate this medical corruption, or more likely it's forced on them by corrupt politicians.
The MPs to ask the most awkward questions this year seem to have been David Davis on vitamin D and two Tory backbenchers quizzed Hancock on vaccine deaths. Pathetic ... an official opposition that doesn't oppose, so that the only visible opposition on COVID since March 2020 comes from Tory backbenchers.
Can you provide scientific evidence that it works? Ivermectin is commonly available in the UK - I can get it as oral, paste, bolus, spot on, injectable, dip or pour on. It’s been approved in the US (as Slice) for use on children.
Fundamentally it’s an endoparasiticide. Not noted for antiviral properties.
68% of Americans now think it came from the lab, even as more evidence comes in (and of course this hypothesis is not proven, and may never be)
This implies momentous geopolitical consequences. No politician can ignore this sentiment. It also spells major trouble for those who conspired to hide the theory
There is no evidence of a "conspiracy' to hide the theory. The "notorious" article which you cite publicly discusses it in detail, and acknowledges that it is possible. ...Although the evidence shows that SARS-CoV-2 is not a purposefully manipulated virus, it is currently impossible to prove or disprove the other theories of its origin described here. However, since we observed all notable SARS-CoV-2 features, including the optimized RBD and polybasic cleavage site, in related coronaviruses in nature, we do not believe that any type of laboratory-based scenario is plausible.
More scientific data could swing the balance of evidence to favor one hypothesis over another...
The scientists who dared to say it might be lab leak got death threats, you jackass. Also this:
"Credit where it’s due: Vanity Fair magazine appears to have found one of the smoking guns of this entire abominable story of the COVID-19 pandemic, suggesting some corners of the federal government explicitly didn’t want to know how the pandemic started."
Four former State Dep't officials told @VanityFair they were repeatedly advised not to open a "Pandora's box." DiNanno said: “smelled like a cover-up, and I wasn’t going to be part of it.” /5"
England cricketers have been subjected to unconscious bias training and warned over 'workplace banter' as bosses try to stamp out racism in the sport.
The Professional Cricketers' Association enforced the classes on all county and international players 'as part of a zero-tolerance approach to racial discrimination'.
What's the state of play with trusted traders and NI?
EU basically stonewalling the scheme as "there's too many of them". It would remove 99% of the issues as Sainsbury's NI could import from UK mainland as a trusted trader without no checks on what it is they're importing or I think it's 1 in 100 that gets checked.
PMQs -- the Prime Minister reads the Shields Gazette! Alternatively, his briefing team checks local news sites of any Opposition MP on the order paper.
Boris was prepared for a question from a Labour MP - when Emma Lowell-Buck asked about "cuts" to a local hospital he was ready with a quote from the Shields Gazette.
PMQs -- the Prime Minister reads the Shields Gazette! Alternatively, his briefing team checks local news sites of any Opposition MP on the order paper.
You mean they are actually doing some prep for once. Makes a change.
68% of Americans now think it came from the lab, even as more evidence comes in (and of course this hypothesis is not proven, and may never be)
This implies momentous geopolitical consequences. No politician can ignore this sentiment. It also spells major trouble for those who conspired to hide the theory
There is no evidence of a "conspiracy' to hide the theory. The "notorious" article which you cite publicly discusses it in detail, and acknowledges that it is possible. ...Although the evidence shows that SARS-CoV-2 is not a purposefully manipulated virus, it is currently impossible to prove or disprove the other theories of its origin described here. However, since we observed all notable SARS-CoV-2 features, including the optimized RBD and polybasic cleavage site, in related coronaviruses in nature, we do not believe that any type of laboratory-based scenario is plausible.
More scientific data could swing the balance of evidence to favor one hypothesis over another...
The scientists who dared to say it might be lab leak got death threats, you jackass. Also this:
"Credit where it’s due: Vanity Fair magazine appears to have found one of the smoking guns of this entire abominable story of the COVID-19 pandemic, suggesting some corners of the federal government explicitly didn’t want to know how the pandemic started."
Four former State Dep't officials told @VanityFair they were repeatedly advised not to open a "Pandora's box." DiNanno said: “smelled like a cover-up, and I wasn’t going to be part of it.” /5"
A LAW student who was investigated by a Scottish university for saying women have vaginas and are not as strong as men has been cleared of any wrongdoing.
Lisa Keogh, 29, was investigated by Abertay University after classmates complained she had made “offensive” and “discriminatory” remarks at a lecture.
Our universities have a real problem with independent thought.
We (and I do mean we, as we all have a responsibility in this) have created the most sensitive generation ever. Pathetic.
Jon Haidts book and Greg Lukianoffs book 'the coddling of the American mind' looked at this issue in 2018, before the woke stuff really took off. It is well worth reading, if nothing else for the accounts of events like the Evergreen university strike in 2016. Their thesis was that the obsession with microagressions etc was setting up a generation for failure, as the 'real world' would intervene as soon as they left college. It was clear at the time to me that they were probably wrong - the success of these ideas and the inability of universities to defeat them would mean that they would simply transport them in to the 'real world' and transform it, as they actually went on to do in 2020.
It is not a happy ending for the woke though, because the parasite is effectively destroying the host. A society lost in this kind of introspection and sensitivity cannot defend itself from external existential threats: russia, china, aliens etc.
People like you have been saying this for decades, if not centuries.
If you were around in America the 1960s you would have said the same thing about the "woke" of the day: the anti-Vietnam War protestors, the "counterculture" or hippy protestors, the civil rights marches and so on and so forth. 1960s you would have been against all of that subversive peace and protest loving crap as you would have seen it then.
America is a free society so it has introspection. That's not a weakness its a strength. America ended the decade associated with Vietnam protests etc with both Woodstock and Apollo 11 moon landing - both within a month of each other.
The USSR suppressed any protests and counterculture at that time, unlike the USA.
Decades later the US won the Cold War and the USSR collapsed in failure.
Introspection and counterculture makes us stronger, not weaker.
There is an argument that the woke are the reinvention of western civilisation. The longievity of the west is based on this type of continuous adaptation and renewal because there is an open society, unlike others which are closed. The latter societies eventually fail, because they cannot adapt or reinvent themselves.
However, having thought about this for the last few years I personally don't think what is going on now with the woke falls within this category. Principally it is because the underlying thinking behind it is incompatible with maintaining the liberal values of openness that have made the west so successful. The woke seem determined to have the last word on things like justice and equality and strive to regulate speech, which is more compatible with totalitarian regimes than the hippies of the 1960s or earlier countercultures. Woke ideology simply does not promote free enquiry or honest introspection about a range of issues. They seem unable to acknowledge the massive contradictions that underpin much of their thinking, ie their obsession with historical instances of slavery in the west with their lack of interest in actual slavery that goes on now in other parts of the world. The list goes on and on and on, but cannot be addressed or debated due to rhetorical tricks that they play to close down debate, which just gets really tiring and annoying.
There is another point, which is that I doubt whether the woke can still be regarded as a countercultural movement; to me it seems like they have already become the status quo, which is something that the hippies never achieved in 1968. A point that could no doubt be debated further.
So my own conclusion is that the woke are not a moment of civilisational reinvention, by they are actually a threat to civilisation, in pretty much the same way as communism was. I am not trying to force my views on people, it is just what I think. As I've said before we will have to see who is right.
It has been 45 years since The History Man was published.
The rhetoric is building. This is Brexit all over again, your a thick knuckle dragging racist....I don't understand why that appears to have pissed off more people.
68% of Americans now think it came from the lab, even as more evidence comes in (and of course this hypothesis is not proven, and may never be)
This implies momentous geopolitical consequences. No politician can ignore this sentiment. It also spells major trouble for those who conspired to hide the theory
There is no evidence of a "conspiracy' to hide the theory. The "notorious" article which you cite publicly discusses it in detail, and acknowledges that it is possible. ...Although the evidence shows that SARS-CoV-2 is not a purposefully manipulated virus, it is currently impossible to prove or disprove the other theories of its origin described here. However, since we observed all notable SARS-CoV-2 features, including the optimized RBD and polybasic cleavage site, in related coronaviruses in nature, we do not believe that any type of laboratory-based scenario is plausible.
More scientific data could swing the balance of evidence to favor one hypothesis over another...
The scientists who dared to say it might be lab leak got death threats, you jackass. Also this:
"Credit where it’s due: Vanity Fair magazine appears to have found one of the smoking guns of this entire abominable story of the COVID-19 pandemic, suggesting some corners of the federal government explicitly didn’t want to know how the pandemic started."
Four former State Dep't officials told @VanityFair they were repeatedly advised not to open a "Pandora's box." DiNanno said: “smelled like a cover-up, and I wasn’t going to be part of it.” /5"
Let’s stick with the over 50s as the data is more complete.
In the three weeks between 9th May and 30th May (ref NIMS population data), the proportional increase in first dose vaccination uptake was:
50-59: 1.2% 60-69: 0.7% 70-79: 0.1%
So broadly speaking, uptake will likely settle at 95% for the 70s, something like 91-92% for the 60s and perhaps just shy of 90% for the 50s. Which leaves 1.6 million courageous contrarians aged over 50.
Assume uniform acquired infection of 40% to date across all age groups and that knocks you down to about a million people over 50 with no immunity.
It will be put to the PM that the new variant eventually puts [x%] of these people in hospital. The key will be understanding from those god awful modellers how many at one time. And then politically, what if anything is to be done about it.
This population of a million (plus whatever the 40s cohort settles at (currently 1.6m unvaxxed) risk being the new bed blockers for the next couple of winters, preventing the clearing of the nhs backlog. They are also this government’s voting coalition.
My expectation is no stern words or measures at all will be levelled at them, and it’s then down to how reliable the herd effect is against whatever variant is most prevalent in November on whether we avoid new “non pharmaceutical interventions” this winter. By 2022 the scandal engulfing the government will not be covid deaths but missed cancer diagnoses.
I reran this using ONS data because NIMS triggers Philip.
With NIMS there are 1.67m people over 50 unvaccinated. With ONS it’s 1.54m. Potatoes potartoes. It doesn’t change the modelling the PM will be shown one jot. It will all come down to the plucked from the air assumptions of R with no restrictions, and the hopefully more scientific proportion of unvaxxed liable to be hospitalised.
Because this then guides whether the NHS will be “overwhelmed” or will be able to clear the cancer and heart disease backlog. Personally I think London is going to have to take one for the team and it will be “our guidance is to remain working from home” if you can, while opening up hospitality.
Bollocks to this analysis.
The UK all but banned Ivermectin, a safe effective drug developed in 1975 - cheap, no pesky patents remaining - that can deal with most COVID-19 cases. (No hospital treatment needed.) The USA has restricted it although many doctors are using it.
No profit in it. Oh dear. We can't use it. We must only recommend vaccines or new 'improved' patented drugs.
Youtube censored Dr Pierre Kory's evidence to the US Senate, including how many lives have needlessly lost
90% of PB users seem to lack the power of critical thinking. Ask why cheap effective treatments get suppressed. Ask again. Sack the people in the NHS who operate this medical corruption, or more likely it's forced on them by corrupt politicians.
The MPs to ask the most awkward questions this year seem to have been David Davis on vitamin D and two Tory backbenchers quizzed Hancock on vaccine deaths. Pathetic ... an official opposition that doesn't oppose, so that the only visible opposition on COVID since March 2020 comes from Tory backbenchers.
I didn't think there was any studies showing Ivermectin had any affect?
I've not followed the debate in any detail to be honest. Seems to be a profound difference of opinion on it iirc.
I have to say it seems a little odd that medical profession is so determined to rule it out, but it is above my pay grade as the saying goes. I have an open mind.
One trial in early treatment of patients with mild COVID.
Mr. Urquhart, once we've all been re-educated I'm sure the world will be wonderful. If history's taught us anything, it's that re-education is a great thing.
Mr. Max/Miss Vance, cheers for that answer, depressing as it is.
If the link between cases and deaths has been broken by vaccination, which it has, then we REALLY need to get on and live our lives.
"If" is a powerful word! The current situation is a combination of the effect of vaccinations, restrictions, people's voluntary behaviours and, indeed, the weather. Precisely how much each of those has contributed is not known. Hopefully, we can reduce restrictions and everything else continues to work. I think that's likely, but I don't believe it's a slam dunk decision.
No-one died in 2020 because of lead poisoning from paint. Does that mean we should therefore abolish all restrictions on the use of lead in paint? No. We have restrictions because of the number of deaths they prevent. You can't tell what that number is from looking at the number of deaths with the restrictions present.
If you’re trying to learn genuine lessons, rather than apportion blame, then you don’t interview people under penalty of perjury. If you do, they’ll come with a lawyer and say nothing useful.
Has the two week delay been confirmed? It looks to me like people are voting with their feet and things are going to be opening up whatever the government might say. Social distancing no longer seems to exist, for example.
All very well to say that about individuals. It does not help businesses. They are restricted in what they can do and earn. So we get the worst of all worlds: individuals flouting restrictions and potentially spreading the virus but none of the economic / commercial benefits of easing restrictions.
Absolutely. If the healthcare system isn’t about to be overrun, then it should be up to individual businesses how many tables they want to squeeze into a restaurant, up to the fire limit.
So you will protect the customers against fire risk but not against COVID risk? That’s not very consistent
If the link between cases and deaths has been broken by vaccination, which it has, then we REALLY need to get on and live our lives.
"If" is a powerful word! The current situation is a combination of the effect of vaccinations, restrictions, people's voluntary behaviours and, indeed, the weather. Precisely how much each of those has contributed is not known. Hopefully, we can reduce restrictions and everything else continues to work. I think that's likely, but I don't believe it's a slam dunk decision.
No-one died in 2020 because of lead poisoning from paint. Does that mean we should therefore abolish all restrictions on the use of lead in paint? No. We have restrictions because of the number of deaths they prevent. You can't tell what that number is from looking at the number of deaths with the restrictions present.
So we should never review the restrictions on lead in paint to see if they are appropriate or proportionate?
The rhetoric is building. This is Brexit all over again, your a thick knuckle dragging racist....
England will flub the euros, and this will be one reason. A team that antagonises some of its fans never prospers
England will flub the euros because Mr Waistcoast is very negative manager, won't pick the world class attacking talent, while England have a very leaky defence that will always concede against good teams.
But all of this really isn't helping. Any objections to the act is now being dismissed as the thick racists, and I am sure there are a lot of fans who aren't booing, but don't think they should still be taking the knee, thinking hold on I'm been called a thick racist. Just like Brexit....thick racists voted for Brexit, not all people who voted Brexit are thick racists.
What's the state of play with trusted traders and NI?
The EU dismissed it out of hand.
Indeed, but it's also why their threats to take it to arbitration are empty. They previously agreed to implement a scheme that would replace border checks for 99% of incoming goods and are now refusing to do so, the arbitrator will dismiss their case out of hand and tell them to get on with implementation of the scheme. The UK position is that the unilateral extensions will continue until the EU gets the trusted trader scheme running, it's a fair position.
Lord Frost says talks with the EU on the NI Protocol were 'pretty frank and honest' and 'there weren’t any breakthroughs, there aren’t any breakdowns either'. He says the EU is interpreting the Protocol 'in an extremely purist way' and the need for solutions is 'very urgent'.
The rhetoric is building. This is Brexit all over again, your a thick knuckle dragging racist....
England will flub the euros, and this will be one reason. A team that antagonises some of its fans never prospers
England will flub the euros because Mr Waistcoast is very negative manager, won't pick the world class attacking talent, while England have a very leaky defence that will always concede against good teams.
But all of this really isn't helping. Any objections to the act is now being dismissed as the thick racists, and I am sure there are a lot of fans who aren't booing, but don't think they should still be taking the knee, thinking hold on I'm been called a thick racist. Just like Brexit....thick racists voted for Brexit, not all people who voted Brexit are thick racists.
You're right there are a lot of fans who aren't booing, but there are a lot of thick racists that are.
Should the thick racists who are booing, who have been causing upset to footballers for years, which is precisely why footballers are doing this be called out or not?
Saying you shouldn't call out the thick racists, because others might object, is an odd logic.
The rhetoric is building. This is Brexit all over again, your a thick knuckle dragging racist....
England will flub the euros, and this will be one reason. A team that antagonises some of its fans never prospers
England will flub the euros because Mr Waistcoast is very negative manager, won't pick the world class attacking talent, while England have a very leaky defence that will always concede against good teams.
But all of this really isn't helping. Any objections to the act is now being dismissed as the thick racists, and I am sure there are a lot of fans who aren't booing, but don't think they should still be taking the knee, thinking hold on I'm been called a thick racist. Just like Brexit....thick racists voted for Brexit, not all people who voted Brexit are thick racists.
You're right there are a lot of fans who aren't booing, but there are a lot of thick racists that are.
Should the thick racists who are booing, who have been causing upset to footballers for years, which is precisely why footballers are doing this be called out or not?
Saying you shouldn't call out the thick racists, because others might object, is an odd logic.
No it has dissolved into an argument of, if your against this action, you are a thick racist....you need to be re-educated.
The media types have given up on any attempts at persuasive language of we understand some people object to the gesture, they see it linked to an organisation they don't agree with, etc. It is now thick racists.
And then they will be shocked when it keeps happening. I absolutely foresee massive blow up when stadiums are full next season. They will ban people for doing this and then it will cause more resentment.
Starmer's last question on Palestine felt like it was written for Labour canvassers in Batley and Spen....
Another sign of how wary Labour are of George Galloway splitting their vote – told by a local party source that they've made leaflets clarifying Kim Leadbeater's position on Palestine and Kashmir for canvassers to give to people who bring up either issue (if canvassers wish to).
I'm not a Boomer but I must say I'm increasing concerned by the use of Boomer as a derogatory term for those over 65 years old.
As other forms of prejudice recede this one seems to be increasingly acceptable; it's not one I'm comfortable with.
Okay Boomer. 65? My kids use it as a derogatory term for anyone over 30.
Yes, it's an acceptable prejudice. These change over time. Race is top of the taboo list, but age is absolutely acceptable.
"Political correctness" is going with the rules of the time, rather than against them. To have been pro-Jew in 1930s Germany would have been very politically incorrect, for example.
I don't know any generation that has weaponised their voting power to promote their own interests at the expense of others quite as ruthlessly and effectively as the boomers. I reckon if the worst that the young do to them is use Boomer as an insult they've got off lightly.
You exhibit quite unpleasant prejudices yourself on here, wrapped up in a cloak of self-righteousness.
You are no better than anyone else.
I love my cloak of self-righteousness. You're just jealous that your cardigan of permanent indignation isn't nearly so comfortable.
The rhetoric is building. This is Brexit all over again, your a thick knuckle dragging racist....I don't understand why that appears to have pissed off more people.
Do they genuinely think that “re-educating” several million football fans is going to end positively for them, or do they not understand that the booing will just get louder?
If we’re doing predictions, then by the middle of the Euros there will be ‘discussions’ about the pre-match gestures.
Remember that the England fans now have a good reputation for fan behaviour in the stadium, thanks to Kick It Out. The same can’t be said of the fans of many other Euros participants. Do we think crowds in Baku and St. Petersberg will be quiet?
If I was a betting man I'd say that this is all to get Tory MPs to accept ongoing guidance as a compromise measure. I don't think any kind of delay makes it through the party unscathed, the compromise will be similar to what has been mentioned on here IMO - guidance for unvaccinated and single jabbed people to socialise mostly outdoors, continue wearing masks indoors, WFH wherever possible and in general to avoid crowded places but no legal requirements. June 21st goes ahead and since 2.5m people per week are getting their second dose so the guidance becomes irrelevant within 8 weeks anyway without any delays for businesses and the wider economy.
That would (I think) settle as "No Delay" on $markets so you should become a betting man pronto. It's a nice price.
The rhetoric is building. This is Brexit all over again, your a thick knuckle dragging racist....
England will flub the euros, and this will be one reason. A team that antagonises some of its fans never prospers
England will flub the euros because Mr Waistcoast is very negative manager, won't pick the world class attacking talent, while England have a very leaky defence that will always concede against good teams.
But all of this really isn't helping. Any objections to the act is now being dismissed as the thick racists, and I am sure there are a lot of fans who aren't booing, but don't think they should still be taking the knee, thinking hold on I'm been called a thick racist. Just like Brexit....thick racists voted for Brexit, not all people who voted Brexit are thick racists.
You're right there are a lot of fans who aren't booing, but there are a lot of thick racists that are.
Should the thick racists who are booing, who have been causing upset to footballers for years, which is precisely why footballers are doing this be called out or not?
Saying you shouldn't call out the thick racists, because others might object, is an odd logic.
No it has dissolved into an argument of, if your against this action, you are a thick racist....you need to be re-educated.
The media types have given up on any attempts at persuasive language of we understand some people object to the gesture, they see it linked to an organisation they don't agree with, etc. It is now thick racists.
It is the same as Brexit.
Because they are thick racists. 🤷♂️
Its a gesture against racism. Its not linked to any organisation. If you're objecting to a gesture against racism then that shows why the gesture is necessary and long may it continue.
The rhetoric is building. This is Brexit all over again, your a thick knuckle dragging racist....
England will flub the euros, and this will be one reason. A team that antagonises some of its fans never prospers
England will flub the euros because Mr Waistcoast is very negative manager, won't pick the world class attacking talent, while England have a very leaky defence that will always concede against good teams.
But all of this really isn't helping. Any objections to the act is now being dismissed as the thick racists, and I am sure there are a lot of fans who aren't booing, but don't think they should still be taking the knee, thinking hold on I'm been called a thick racist. Just like Brexit....thick racists voted for Brexit, not all people who voted Brexit are thick racists.
You're right there are a lot of fans who aren't booing, but there are a lot of thick racists that are.
Should the thick racists who are booing, who have been causing upset to footballers for years, which is precisely why footballers are doing this be called out or not?
Saying you shouldn't call out the thick racists, because others might object, is an odd logic.
No it has dissolved into an argument of, if your against this action, you are a thick racist....you need to be re-educated.
The media types have given up on any attempts at persuasive language of we understand some people object to the gesture, they see it linked to an organisation they don't agree with, etc. It is now thick racists.
It is the same as Brexit.
Because they are thick racists. 🤷♂️
Its a gesture against racism. Its not linked to any organisation. If you're objecting to a gesture against racism then that shows why the gesture is necessary and long may it continue.
But people see that it is (in their opinion).
That is why the NFL doesn't do this. They found a middle ground that nobody complains about.
The rhetoric is building. This is Brexit all over again, your a thick knuckle dragging racist....I don't understand why that appears to have pissed off more people.
Do they genuinely think that “re-educating” several million football fans is going to end positively for them, or do they not understand that the booing will just get louder?
If we’re doing predictions, then by the middle of the Euros there will be ‘discussions’ about the pre-match gestures.
Remember that the England fans now have a good reputation for fan behaviour in the stadium, thanks to Kick It Out. The same can’t be said of the fans of many other Euros participants. Do we think crowds in Baku and St. Petersberg will be quiet?
Good. Shows why the footballers should keep standing up (by kneeling) for what they believe in.
"Don't campaign against racism because the racists will object" is not a notion that anyone should consider for more than a few seconds.
The rhetoric is building. This is Brexit all over again, your a thick knuckle dragging racist....I don't understand why that appears to have pissed off more people.
It's been clearly explained to the players that the boos are against a divisive political statement. The only possible explanation for their continued reaction is they're all evil communists.
Is about as persuasive as the opposite shite being spouted.
He has a lot of sense clearly and by far the best connection to the Red Wall of any of the senior Labour figures
Ironically, although the students' objection was to the Queen's portrait reminding them of recent colonial history, that particular history is of the former colonies becoming independent, so why are they acting like 1980s-era Monday Club members?
It's not really the point on either side of the culture war but it must be admitted that it really is a bloody awful picture of HMQ with its 1950s-style colourisation of a black-and-white print. The students are right to remove the portrait but on aesthetic rather than political grounds.
I'm not a Boomer but I must say I'm increasing concerned by the use of Boomer as a derogatory term for those over 65 years old.
As other forms of prejudice recede this one seems to be increasingly acceptable; it's not one I'm comfortable with.
Basically agree, Driven I think initially by politicos / campaigners trying to create an audience and introduced notions such as "intergenerational theft".
We see it on PB quite regularly in the 'most selfish generation ever' gibes for pensioners who have gained about £10 a week from a decade of the Triple Lock, and so on.
The rhetoric is building. This is Brexit all over again, your a thick knuckle dragging racist....
England will flub the euros, and this will be one reason. A team that antagonises some of its fans never prospers
England will flub the euros because Mr Waistcoast is very negative manager, won't pick the world class attacking talent, while England have a very leaky defence that will always concede against good teams.
But all of this really isn't helping. Any objections to the act is now being dismissed as the thick racists, and I am sure there are a lot of fans who aren't booing, but don't think they should still be taking the knee, thinking hold on I'm been called a thick racist. Just like Brexit....thick racists voted for Brexit, not all people who voted Brexit are thick racists.
You're right there are a lot of fans who aren't booing, but there are a lot of thick racists that are.
Should the thick racists who are booing, who have been causing upset to footballers for years, which is precisely why footballers are doing this be called out or not?
Saying you shouldn't call out the thick racists, because others might object, is an odd logic.
No it has dissolved into an argument of, if your against this action, you are a thick racist....you need to be re-educated.
The media types have given up on any attempts at persuasive language of we understand some people object to the gesture, they see it linked to an organisation they don't agree with, etc. It is now thick racists.
It is the same as Brexit.
Because they are thick racists. 🤷♂️
Its a gesture against racism. Its not linked to any organisation. If you're objecting to a gesture against racism then that shows why the gesture is necessary and long may it continue.
But people see that it is (in their opinion).
That is why the NFL doesn't do this. They found a middle ground that nobody complains about.
We're not American and we're not the NFL.
If footballers want to kneel against racism then good for them and they should continue to do so until the message gets through that racism is unacceptable and nobody objects and everyone gets bored of it.
The fact people are booing against kneeling against racism shows why this is necessary and should continue and maybe be stepped up a gear.
Conclusion 1: Burnham still thinks he's a player on the national stage. Maybe he is.
Conclusion 2: Burnham would rather go with the easy soundbite than the better, but longer answer. (Basically, it's a student common room and it's up to them what pictures they put up. Can we talk about something important instead? But since you ask, as Oxbridge postgrads, most will be foreigners paying huge fees that subsidise the rest of the university. As paying customers, it's doubly up to them what pictures they put up.)
Highlights Labour's dilemma- are they better off with a lefty Boris or an unBoris? And is the country better off with a lefty Boris or an unBoris?
The rhetoric is building. This is Brexit all over again, your a thick knuckle dragging racist....I don't understand why that appears to have pissed off more people.
Do they genuinely think that “re-educating” several million football fans is going to end positively for them, or do they not understand that the booing will just get louder?
If we’re doing predictions, then by the middle of the Euros there will be ‘discussions’ about the pre-match gestures.
Remember that the England fans now have a good reputation for fan behaviour in the stadium, thanks to Kick It Out. The same can’t be said of the fans of many other Euros participants. Do we think crowds in Baku and St. Petersberg will be quiet?
Good. Shows why the footballers should keep standing up (by kneeling) for what they believe in.
"Don't campaign against racism because the racists will object" is not a notion that anyone should consider for more than a few seconds.
The problem isn’t the racists, of whom there are very few, it’s the huge number of not-racists objecting to being told that they are.
The rhetoric is building. This is Brexit all over again, your a thick knuckle dragging racist....
England will flub the euros, and this will be one reason. A team that antagonises some of its fans never prospers
England will flub the euros because Mr Waistcoast is very negative manager, won't pick the world class attacking talent, while England have a very leaky defence that will always concede against good teams.
But all of this really isn't helping. Any objections to the act is now being dismissed as the thick racists, and I am sure there are a lot of fans who aren't booing, but don't think they should still be taking the knee, thinking hold on I'm been called a thick racist. Just like Brexit....thick racists voted for Brexit, not all people who voted Brexit are thick racists.
You're right there are a lot of fans who aren't booing, but there are a lot of thick racists that are.
Should the thick racists who are booing, who have been causing upset to footballers for years, which is precisely why footballers are doing this be called out or not?
Saying you shouldn't call out the thick racists, because others might object, is an odd logic.
No it has dissolved into an argument of, if your against this action, you are a thick racist....you need to be re-educated.
The media types have given up on any attempts at persuasive language of we understand some people object to the gesture, they see it linked to an organisation they don't agree with, etc. It is now thick racists.
It is the same as Brexit.
Because they are thick racists. 🤷♂️
Its a gesture against racism. Its not linked to any organisation. If you're objecting to a gesture against racism then that shows why the gesture is necessary and long may it continue.
But people see that it is (in their opinion).
That is why the NFL doesn't do this. They found a middle ground that nobody complains about.
We're not American and we're not the NFL.
If footballers want to kneel against racism then good for them and they should continue to do so until the message gets through that racism is unacceptable and nobody objects and everyone gets bored of it.
The fact people are booing against kneeling against racism shows why this is necessary and should continue and maybe be stepped up a gear. Stadium bans for any racists found booing perhaps?
That's your opinion...many other people disagree and they aren't all racists.
The NFL saw this issue and found a sensible middle ground, continued huge popularity and exposure for "Inspire Change" campaign. The NBA well all in on it and the fans hated it and tuned out.
The rhetoric is building. This is Brexit all over again, your a thick knuckle dragging racist....
England will flub the euros, and this will be one reason. A team that antagonises some of its fans never prospers
England will flub the Euros because France won the World Cup with a young team still at its prime, rather than being three quarters full of older players in decline who cannot be dropped for sentimental reasons, which is often the case with World Cup winners. Allez les Bleus.
The rhetoric is building. This is Brexit all over again, your a thick knuckle dragging racist....
England will flub the euros, and this will be one reason. A team that antagonises some of its fans never prospers
England will flub the euros because Mr Waistcoast is very negative manager, won't pick the world class attacking talent, while England have a very leaky defence that will always concede against good teams.
But all of this really isn't helping. Any objections to the act is now being dismissed as the thick racists, and I am sure there are a lot of fans who aren't booing, but don't think they should still be taking the knee, thinking hold on I'm been called a thick racist. Just like Brexit....thick racists voted for Brexit, not all people who voted Brexit are thick racists.
You're right there are a lot of fans who aren't booing, but there are a lot of thick racists that are.
Should the thick racists who are booing, who have been causing upset to footballers for years, which is precisely why footballers are doing this be called out or not?
Saying you shouldn't call out the thick racists, because others might object, is an odd logic.
No it has dissolved into an argument of, if your against this action, you are a thick racist....you need to be re-educated.
The media types have given up on any attempts at persuasive language of we understand some people object to the gesture, they see it linked to an organisation they don't agree with, etc. It is now thick racists.
And then they will be shocked when it keeps happening. I absolutely foresee massive blow up when stadiums are full next season. They will ban people for doing this and then it will cause more resentment.
It is the same as Brexit.
Another good point. We must fight for the right of thick racists to display their thick racism.
I can't for the life of me understand why anyone would boo players taking the knee.
Conclusion 1: Burnham still thinks he's a player on the national stage. Maybe he is.
Conclusion 2: Burnham would rather go with the easy soundbite than the better, but longer answer. (Basically, it's a student common room and it's up to them what pictures they put up. Can we talk about something important instead? But since you ask, as Oxbridge postgrads, most will be foreigners paying huge fees that subsidise the rest of the university. As paying customers, it's doubly up to them what pictures they put up.)
Highlights Labour's dilemma- are they better off with a lefty Boris or an unBoris? And is the country better off with a lefty Boris or an unBoris?
3. Burnham has realised that there’s a big empty stage where Labour’s personality used to be, and he’s intending to get himself back in Parliament at the next election and stand for the leadership whenever SKS goes.
Ferdinand is another absolutely useless pundit. When they have Joe Cole, Ashely Cole and him together, with Lee Dixon on co-commentary, I feel my knowledge of the game and general IQ dropping through the floor.
I'm not a Boomer but I must say I'm increasing concerned by the use of Boomer as a derogatory term for those over 65 years old.
As other forms of prejudice recede this one seems to be increasingly acceptable; it's not one I'm comfortable with.
Basically agree, Driven I think initially by politicos / campaigners trying to create an audience and introduced notions such as "intergenerational theft".
We see it on PB quite regularly in the 'most selfish generation ever' gibes for pensioners who have gained about £10 a week from a decade of the Triple Lock, and so on.
Anyone making comments on a specific individual because of a group membership they had no choice over is a muppet. That doesn't mean we can't assess fairness between different age groups even though there will be millions of exceptions on both sides.
The current generation of pensioners, on average, have consumed far more wealth than they have created in a way which will no longer be possible for future generations. That doesn't stop many of them being in poverty, but on average that cohort has had a very 'good' rub of the green.
The rhetoric is building. This is Brexit all over again, your a thick knuckle dragging racist....
England will flub the euros, and this will be one reason. A team that antagonises some of its fans never prospers
England will flub the euros because Mr Waistcoast is very negative manager, won't pick the world class attacking talent, while England have a very leaky defence that will always concede against good teams.
But all of this really isn't helping. Any objections to the act is now being dismissed as the thick racists, and I am sure there are a lot of fans who aren't booing, but don't think they should still be taking the knee, thinking hold on I'm been called a thick racist. Just like Brexit....thick racists voted for Brexit, not all people who voted Brexit are thick racists.
You're right there are a lot of fans who aren't booing, but there are a lot of thick racists that are.
Should the thick racists who are booing, who have been causing upset to footballers for years, which is precisely why footballers are doing this be called out or not?
Saying you shouldn't call out the thick racists, because others might object, is an odd logic.
No it has dissolved into an argument of, if your against this action, you are a thick racist....you need to be re-educated.
The media types have given up on any attempts at persuasive language of we understand some people object to the gesture, they see it linked to an organisation they don't agree with, etc. It is now thick racists.
It is the same as Brexit.
Because they are thick racists. 🤷♂️
Its a gesture against racism. Its not linked to any organisation. If you're objecting to a gesture against racism then that shows why the gesture is necessary and long may it continue.
But people see that it is (in their opinion).
That is why the NFL doesn't do this. They found a middle ground that nobody complains about.
We're not American and we're not the NFL.
If footballers want to kneel against racism then good for them and they should continue to do so until the message gets through that racism is unacceptable and nobody objects and everyone gets bored of it.
The fact people are booing against kneeling against racism shows why this is necessary and should continue and maybe be stepped up a gear.
Christ on a fucking bike, Philip. People aren't complaining about footballers not being racist. They're complaining about all the other things that go with this specific gesture - not least the implication that football fans are racist. There are a lot of things that are wrong with the world. Why has sport death focus on highlighting just this particular issue? Why now? It's nothing but another front in the culture war.
The rhetoric is building. This is Brexit all over again, your a thick knuckle dragging racist....
England will flub the euros, and this will be one reason. A team that antagonises some of its fans never prospers
England will flub the euros because Mr Waistcoast is very negative manager, won't pick the world class attacking talent, while England have a very leaky defence that will always concede against good teams.
But all of this really isn't helping. Any objections to the act is now being dismissed as the thick racists, and I am sure there are a lot of fans who aren't booing, but don't think they should still be taking the knee, thinking hold on I'm been called a thick racist. Just like Brexit....thick racists voted for Brexit, not all people who voted Brexit are thick racists.
Gareth Southgate's article is instructive on this.
Basically, he's confusing the (disgusting) abuse many England players have received online with opposition to taking the knee as one and the same. Probably because many racist trolls mention that. His players are constantly on their phones before and after matches. They then show these messages to him, and it makes him livid. That explains his statement that he's "more determined than ever" to allow them to take the knee.
He thinks he's fighting the racists - and thinks the people booing in the crowd are one and the same - whereas in reality they do include them, but there's a far broader group of non-racist people who do the same because knee is a polarising gesture that's (a) been a sign of submission since the dawn of time, be it to monarchs, emperors or to religious deities, (b) is too linked with the political movement of BLM, and, (c) has gone on too long, becoming a protracted moral lecture, and is thus a distraction from the real problem.
I think that's the central fallacy behind his mistake. He's letting the racists get the better of him.
Say what you like about Andy Burnham, but he can get the tone right. Has Kier Starmer weighed in on this issue yet?
The MCR is a room, typically small and airless, tucked away in an obscure corner of most Oxbridge colleges. It will have a sour smell of coffee and body odour, and you will usually find a couple of ill-dressed graduate students lazing around inside. One of them may be doing the Sudoku in yesterday's copy of the Guardian. Perhaps the other is watching a cat video on his phone. Some of these students, in one of these MCRs, decided a few years ago to put up a picture on wall of the room. Now some other students have decided to take it down. That this is occupying a single nanosecond of the national conversation is a pretty damning indictment of how far our political discourse has degenerated. Any politician who weighs in on this in any capacity needs to take a good hard look at themselves.
The rhetoric is building. This is Brexit all over again, your a thick knuckle dragging racist....
England will flub the euros, and this will be one reason. A team that antagonises some of its fans never prospers
England will flub the euros because Mr Waistcoast is very negative manager, won't pick the world class attacking talent, while England have a very leaky defence that will always concede against good teams.
But all of this really isn't helping. Any objections to the act is now being dismissed as the thick racists, and I am sure there are a lot of fans who aren't booing, but don't think they should still be taking the knee, thinking hold on I'm been called a thick racist. Just like Brexit....thick racists voted for Brexit, not all people who voted Brexit are thick racists.
You're right there are a lot of fans who aren't booing, but there are a lot of thick racists that are.
Should the thick racists who are booing, who have been causing upset to footballers for years, which is precisely why footballers are doing this be called out or not?
Saying you shouldn't call out the thick racists, because others might object, is an odd logic.
Just send in the facial recognition cameras - find out who is booing, post it up on twitter, cancel them, make them lose their jobs, ban then from ever watching football again, make them apologise and take the knee themselves; and then still refuse to forgive them. That should do the trick, I reckon.
The rhetoric is building. This is Brexit all over again, your a thick knuckle dragging racist....
England will flub the euros, and this will be one reason. A team that antagonises some of its fans never prospers
England will flub the euros because Mr Waistcoast is very negative manager, won't pick the world class attacking talent, while England have a very leaky defence that will always concede against good teams.
But all of this really isn't helping. Any objections to the act is now being dismissed as the thick racists, and I am sure there are a lot of fans who aren't booing, but don't think they should still be taking the knee, thinking hold on I'm been called a thick racist. Just like Brexit....thick racists voted for Brexit, not all people who voted Brexit are thick racists.
Gareth Southgate's article is instructive on this.
Basically, he's confusing the (disgusting) abuse many England players have received online with opposition to taking the knee as one and the same. Probably because many racist trolls mention that. His players are constantly on their phones before and after matches. They then show these messages to him, and it makes him livid. That explains his statement that he's "more determined than ever" to allow them to take the knee.
He thinks he's fighting the racists - and thinks the people booing in the crowd are one and the same - whereas in reality they do include them, but there's a far broader group of non-racist people who do the same because knee is a polarising gesture that's (a) been a sign of submission since the dawn of time, be it to monarchs, emperors or to religious deities, (b) is too linked with the political movement of BLM, and, (c) has gone on too long, becoming a protracted moral lecture, and is thus a distraction from the real problem.
I think that's the central fallacy behind his mistake. He's letting the racists get the better of him.
Well I think, again like Brexit, they are out of touch with a significant segment of society. Everybody they know supports taking the knee, they only really interact with their own and a small group of the media (especially with COVID) who have heavily pushed BLM..and leads to the conclusion, anybody against it, must be a racist.
Ferdinand is another absolutely useless pundit. When they have Joe Cole, Ashely Cole and him together, with Lee Dixon on co-commentary, I feel my knowledge of the game and general IQ dropping through the floor.
It's so amusing to see him and Scholes having to hold back about how disappointing their ex team mate who is currently manager of United is.
If the link between cases and deaths has been broken by vaccination, which it has, then we REALLY need to get on and live our lives.
"If" is a powerful word! The current situation is a combination of the effect of vaccinations, restrictions, people's voluntary behaviours and, indeed, the weather. Precisely how much each of those has contributed is not known. Hopefully, we can reduce restrictions and everything else continues to work. I think that's likely, but I don't believe it's a slam dunk decision.
No-one died in 2020 because of lead poisoning from paint. Does that mean we should therefore abolish all restrictions on the use of lead in paint? No. We have restrictions because of the number of deaths they prevent. You can't tell what that number is from looking at the number of deaths with the restrictions present.
So we should never review the restrictions on lead in paint to see if they are appropriate or proportionate?
I am unclear how your reply is related to what I wrote.
We are, constantly, reviewing COVID restrictions. "We" meaning the government, the DHSC, SAGE, the scientific community, media commentators, PB.com commentators and everyone else. Once the crisis is over, I'm sure rules on lead in paint can be reviewed too.
Ferdinand is another absolutely useless pundit. When they have Joe Cole, Ashely Cole and him together, with Lee Dixon on co-commentary, I feel my knowledge of the game and general IQ dropping through the floor.
It's so amusing to see him and Scholes having to hold back about how disappointing their ex team mate who is currently manager of United is.
Is that the United who finished ahead of Liverpool?
What's the state of play with trusted traders and NI?
EU basically stonewalling the scheme as "there's too many of them". It would remove 99% of the issues as Sainsbury's NI could import from UK mainland as a trusted trader without no checks on what it is they're importing or I think it's 1 in 100 that gets checked.
Is there anything just stopping us rolling with the trusted trader scheme?
I was aware that the EU threw a wobbly several months ago, but I don't see why it wouldn't proceed.
I also am not clear why the EU inspection portakabin is not ready to roll. I can't see a reason for not building it, providing the access etc.
Not really convinced that treating it like the deer rutting season is quite the best way to do the politics on this.
The rhetoric is building. This is Brexit all over again, your a thick knuckle dragging racist....
England will flub the euros, and this will be one reason. A team that antagonises some of its fans never prospers
England will flub the euros because Mr Waistcoast is very negative manager, won't pick the world class attacking talent, while England have a very leaky defence that will always concede against good teams.
But all of this really isn't helping. Any objections to the act is now being dismissed as the thick racists, and I am sure there are a lot of fans who aren't booing, but don't think they should still be taking the knee, thinking hold on I'm been called a thick racist. Just like Brexit....thick racists voted for Brexit, not all people who voted Brexit are thick racists.
You're right there are a lot of fans who aren't booing, but there are a lot of thick racists that are.
Should the thick racists who are booing, who have been causing upset to footballers for years, which is precisely why footballers are doing this be called out or not?
Saying you shouldn't call out the thick racists, because others might object, is an odd logic.
No it has dissolved into an argument of, if your against this action, you are a thick racist....you need to be re-educated.
The media types have given up on any attempts at persuasive language of we understand some people object to the gesture, they see it linked to an organisation they don't agree with, etc. It is now thick racists.
It is the same as Brexit.
Because they are thick racists. 🤷♂️
Its a gesture against racism. Its not linked to any organisation. If you're objecting to a gesture against racism then that shows why the gesture is necessary and long may it continue.
But people see that it is (in their opinion).
That is why the NFL doesn't do this. They found a middle ground that nobody complains about.
We're not American and we're not the NFL.
If footballers want to kneel against racism then good for them and they should continue to do so until the message gets through that racism is unacceptable and nobody objects and everyone gets bored of it.
The fact people are booing against kneeling against racism shows why this is necessary and should continue and maybe be stepped up a gear.
When I read your first sentence I thought you were going to argue against kneeling... This has all gone off at half cock hasn't it. In a thought experiment I would go along with a majority vote to kneel or not kneel if I was in a team but would vote to replace the gesture.
Say what you like about Andy Burnham, but he can get the tone right. Has Kier Starmer weighed in on this issue yet?
The MCR is a room, typically small and airless, tucked away in an obscure corner of most Oxbridge colleges. It will have a sour smell of coffee and body odour, and you will usually find a couple of ill-dressed graduate students lazing around inside. One of them may be doing the Sudoku in yesterday's copy of the Guardian. Perhaps the other is watching a cat video on his phone. Some of these students, in one of these MCRs, decided a few years ago to put up a picture on wall of the room. Now some other students have decided to take it down. That this is occupying a single nanosecond of the national conversation is a pretty damning indictment of how far our political discourse has degenerated. Any politician who weighs in on this in any capacity needs to take a good hard look at themselves.
I agree entirely. Neatly tying together several recent culture war issues, I first came across my now wife while we were both watching the Martin Bashir Diana interview in the Trinity Oxford JCR in 1995.
Say what you like about Andy Burnham, but he can get the tone right. Has Kier Starmer weighed in on this issue yet?
The MCR is a room, typically small and airless, tucked away in an obscure corner of most Oxbridge colleges. It will have a sour smell of coffee and body odour, and you will usually find a couple of ill-dressed graduate students lazing around inside. One of them may be doing the Sudoku in yesterday's copy of the Guardian. Perhaps the other is watching a cat video on his phone. Some of these students, in one of these MCRs, decided a few years ago to put up a picture on wall of the room. Now some other students have decided to take it down. That this is occupying a single nanosecond of the national conversation is a pretty damning indictment of how far our political discourse has degenerated. Any politician who weighs in on this in any capacity needs to take a good hard look at themselves.
That sounds like a really good MCR. I wish my college's MCR had been like that.
Ferdinand is another absolutely useless pundit. When they have Joe Cole, Ashely Cole and him together, with Lee Dixon on co-commentary, I feel my knowledge of the game and general IQ dropping through the floor.
It's so amusing to see him and Scholes having to hold back about how disappointing their ex team mate who is currently manager of United is.
We really need a revolution in pundits. All this talk of increasing diversity, how about increasing the quality. It is still the old boys (and now girls club) of you were a famous player, therefore you must know what you are talking about.
But that a) doesn't mean they have the ability to disseminate this information and b) several years out of the game, it changes, it adapts.
Having seen a talk by the analysts at Liverpool, the Fergie style throw your boots at players and scream and shout has been replaced by Machine Learning on big data, probability models, etc, which is then packaged up to players.
The tactics now being deployed have changed radically over the past few years. Gone is the thought that you get it down the wings and whip a cross in....that is absolutely a no no. Same as firing shots from outside the box, that shouldn't be everywhere near the top of your priority list.
And what did Lee Dixon bang on the other day, well they need to get it down the sides....whip crosses in...
Heard another suspension in relation to historical tweets for some rugby league player. Even my fiancee thinks it's all ridiculous and she'll never ever ever vote Tory in a GE.
Ferdinand is another absolutely useless pundit. When they have Joe Cole, Ashely Cole and him together, with Lee Dixon on co-commentary, I feel my knowledge of the game and general IQ dropping through the floor.
It's so amusing to see him and Scholes having to hold back about how disappointing their ex team mate who is currently manager of United is.
Is that the United who finished ahead of Liverpool?
Perhaps you missed the fact the best United could do is five points ahead of Liverpool who missed their first, second, and third choice centre backs for most of the season and had to rely on their sixth and seventh choice centre backs for the last 12 matches.
One of whom was playing national league football last season.
Even most objective Manchester United fans know what is coming, they aren't winning the PL with the PE teacher in charge.
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This implies momentous geopolitical consequences. No politician can ignore this sentiment. It also spells major trouble for those who conspired to hide the theory
1000 National Voters
Lab Leak Very Likely % + Somewhat Likely % = Total Likely %
Democrats: 30%+27%=57%
Unaffiliated: 41%+26%=67%
Republicans: 60%+22%=82%
All Voters: 43%+25%=68%
https://rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/disease/most_voters_suspect_covid_19_came_from_chinese_lab_support_investigation
https://twitter.com/Rasmussen_Poll/status/1402586055656759299?s=20
If that continues, then next week there will be FIFTY THOUSAND CASES!!
It's not their fault other people don't vote.
There does not seem to be a credible metric by which the NHS falls over if we go ahead with 21st June. I get that we might originally have expected everyone to have been given one jab and most two by then. The vaccine roll-out has been slower than expected when the 21st was set. But really, we are so far along this road of vaccinating those who are vulnerable - with many of those that aren't having made a conscious (albeit poor) choice not to get jabbed.
The six English clubs which secretly agreed to play in a European Super League (ESL) will pay just over £20m to draw a line under their ensuing row with the Premier League.
Any of those clubs which signed up to a similar project would be liable to a penalty of more than £20m and a 30-point Premier League deduction, according to one source.
A 30 point PL deduction in the event that they bottle it again...
Not like they are vaccinating anyone.
This is silly French protectionism, not Brexit per se
But whatever
But hasn't the President already announced an inquiry? That's not ignoring it.
I wonder which potential future enquiries she might have in mind?
The "notorious" article which you cite publicly discusses it in detail, and acknowledges that it is possible.
...Although the evidence shows that SARS-CoV-2 is not a purposefully manipulated virus, it is currently impossible to prove or disprove the other theories of its origin described here. However, since we observed all notable SARS-CoV-2 features, including the optimized RBD and polybasic cleavage site, in related coronaviruses in nature, we do not believe that any type of laboratory-based scenario is plausible.
More scientific data could swing the balance of evidence to favor one hypothesis over another...
As @RochdalePioneers keeps saying the UK is currently aligned with almost all EU laws, but he draws from that the notion we should commit to remain permanently aligned with them.
But the Protocol says that there the Joint Committee should agree together what checks are required and what is not required. Since the UK is currently aligned, the Joint Committee should be able to write off almost all checks as not required subject to review. The UK is rabies-free and has been for a century so the Joint Committee should be able to acknolwedge that subject to review.
If the UK deviates from laws in the future, or rabies re-enters these isles despite a century of absence, then the Joint Committee ought to be able to require checks from then on, not now.
That the EU aren't using the Joint Committee in good faith means we ought to use Article 16, which is perfectly compatible with international law, until they do.
This does have significant implications for US and global politics. Trump was probably right, even if his opinion came amid one of his crazy-ass rants full of multiple other lies
On one thing - but a very major thing - he was maybe closer to the truth than the Dems. Moreover, this "truth" was silenced by liberal-left media and social media, at the very same time that they silenced Trump
You can see how this will play with his loyalists. They will march on the Capitol. Again
https://twitter.com/pkelso/status/1402589815783231490
Fundamentally it’s an endoparasiticide. Not noted for antiviral properties.
"Credit where it’s due: Vanity Fair magazine appears to have found one of the smoking guns of this entire abominable story of the COVID-19 pandemic, suggesting some corners of the federal government explicitly didn’t want to know how the pandemic started."
Four former State Dep't officials told
@VanityFair
they were repeatedly advised not to open a "Pandora's box." DiNanno said: “smelled like a cover-up, and I wasn’t going to be part of it.” /5"
https://twitter.com/KatherineEban/status/1400403622786224129?s=20
The Professional Cricketers' Association enforced the classes on all county and international players 'as part of a zero-tolerance approach to racial discrimination'.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9667705/Englands-cricketers-lectured-banter-firm-offering-actor-based-unconscious-bias-training.html
Somebody is making a pretty penny out of all these training schemes.
Link between Covid cases and deaths has been broken, says senior NHS boss
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jun/09/link-between-covid-cases-and-deaths-has-been-broken-says-senior-nhs-boss
Boris was prepared for a question from a Labour MP - when Emma Lowell-Buck asked about "cuts" to a local hospital he was ready with a quote from the Shields Gazette.
It was about the future COVID enquiry.
https://twitter.com/LBC/status/1402524022970228738?s=20
"They are part of the problem. These people need to be educated. I think half of them don't even know what they're booing for."
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/57411472
The rhetoric is building. This is Brexit all over again, your a thick knuckle dragging racist....I don't understand why that appears to have pissed off more people.
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/06/the-lab-leak-theory-inside-the-fight-to-uncover-covid-19s-origins
Not much use in the real world
Mr. Max/Miss Vance, cheers for that answer, depressing as it is.
No-one died in 2020 because of lead poisoning from paint. Does that mean we should therefore abolish all restrictions on the use of lead in paint? No. We have restrictions because of the number of deaths they prevent. You can't tell what that number is from looking at the number of deaths with the restrictions present.
If you’re trying to learn genuine lessons, rather than apportion blame, then you don’t interview people under penalty of perjury. If you do, they’ll come with a lawyer and say nothing useful.
But all of this really isn't helping. Any objections to the act is now being dismissed as the thick racists, and I am sure there are a lot of fans who aren't booing, but don't think they should still be taking the knee, thinking hold on I'm been called a thick racist. Just like Brexit....thick racists voted for Brexit, not all people who voted Brexit are thick racists.
https://twitter.com/nickgutteridge/status/1402594327294091265?s=20
Should the thick racists who are booing, who have been causing upset to footballers for years, which is precisely why footballers are doing this be called out or not?
Saying you shouldn't call out the thick racists, because others might object, is an odd logic.
The media types have given up on any attempts at persuasive language of we understand some people object to the gesture, they see it linked to an organisation they don't agree with, etc. It is now thick racists.
And then they will be shocked when it keeps happening. I absolutely foresee massive blow up when stadiums are full next season. They will ban people for doing this and then it will cause more resentment.
It is the same as Brexit.
Starmer's last question on Palestine felt like it was written for Labour canvassers in Batley and Spen....
Another sign of how wary Labour are of George Galloway splitting their vote – told by a local party source that they've made leaflets clarifying Kim Leadbeater's position on Palestine and Kashmir for canvassers to give to people who bring up either issue (if canvassers wish to).
https://twitter.com/patrickkmaguire/status/1402587756971401216?s=20
If we’re doing predictions, then by the middle of the Euros there will be ‘discussions’ about the pre-match gestures.
Remember that the England fans now have a good reputation for fan behaviour in the stadium, thanks to Kick It Out. The same can’t be said of the fans of many other Euros participants. Do we think crowds in Baku and St. Petersberg will be quiet?
Its a gesture against racism. Its not linked to any organisation. If you're objecting to a gesture against racism then that shows why the gesture is necessary and long may it continue.
That is why the NFL doesn't do this. They found a middle ground that nobody complains about.
"Don't campaign against racism because the racists will object" is not a notion that anyone should consider for more than a few seconds.
Is about as persuasive as the opposite shite being spouted.
It's not really the point on either side of the culture war but it must be admitted that it really is a bloody awful picture of HMQ with its 1950s-style colourisation of a black-and-white print. The students are right to remove the portrait but on aesthetic rather than political grounds.
We see it on PB quite regularly in the 'most selfish generation ever' gibes for pensioners who have gained about £10 a week from a decade of the Triple Lock, and so on.
If footballers want to kneel against racism then good for them and they should continue to do so until the message gets through that racism is unacceptable and nobody objects and everyone gets bored of it.
The fact people are booing against kneeling against racism shows why this is necessary and should continue and maybe be stepped up a gear.
https://unherd.com/2021/06/why-the-north-will-crush-the-south/?tl_inbound=1&tl_groups[0]=18743&tl_period_type=3&mc_cid=4ea50d40ca&mc_eid=836634e34b
Conclusion 2: Burnham would rather go with the easy soundbite than the better, but longer answer. (Basically, it's a student common room and it's up to them what pictures they put up. Can we talk about something important instead? But since you ask, as Oxbridge postgrads, most will be foreigners paying huge fees that subsidise the rest of the university. As paying customers, it's doubly up to them what pictures they put up.)
Highlights Labour's dilemma- are they better off with a lefty Boris or an unBoris? And is the country better off with a lefty Boris or an unBoris?
The NFL saw this issue and found a sensible middle ground, continued huge popularity and exposure for "Inspire Change" campaign. The NBA well all in on it and the fans hated it and tuned out.
I can't for the life of me understand why anyone would boo players taking the knee.
Oh hold on yes, I can think of one reason.
The current generation of pensioners, on average, have consumed far more wealth than they have created in a way which will no longer be possible for future generations. That doesn't stop many of them being in poverty, but on average that cohort has had a very 'good' rub of the green.
There are a lot of things that are wrong with the world. Why has sport death focus on highlighting just this particular issue? Why now?
It's nothing but another front in the culture war.
Basically, he's confusing the (disgusting) abuse many England players have received online with opposition to taking the knee as one and the same. Probably because many racist trolls mention that. His players are constantly on their phones before and after matches. They then show these messages to him, and it makes him livid. That explains his statement that he's "more determined than ever" to allow them to take the knee.
He thinks he's fighting the racists - and thinks the people booing in the crowd are one and the same - whereas in reality they do include them, but there's a far broader group of non-racist people who do the same because knee is a polarising gesture that's (a) been a sign of submission since the dawn of time, be it to monarchs, emperors or to religious deities, (b) is too linked with the political movement of BLM, and, (c) has gone on too long, becoming a protracted moral lecture, and is thus a distraction from the real problem.
I think that's the central fallacy behind his mistake. He's letting the racists get the better of him.
Some of these students, in one of these MCRs, decided a few years ago to put up a picture on wall of the room. Now some other students have decided to take it down.
That this is occupying a single nanosecond of the national conversation is a pretty damning indictment of how far our political discourse has degenerated. Any politician who weighs in on this in any capacity needs to take a good hard look at themselves.
We are, constantly, reviewing COVID restrictions. "We" meaning the government, the DHSC, SAGE, the scientific community, media commentators, PB.com commentators and everyone else. Once the crisis is over, I'm sure rules on lead in paint can be reviewed too.
https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-government-broke-law-by-awarding-coronavirus-contract-to-firm-with-links-to-dominic-cummings-high-court-rules-12328463
*Not an actual catamite, just a political one.
I was aware that the EU threw a wobbly several months ago, but I don't see why it wouldn't proceed.
I also am not clear why the EU inspection portakabin is not ready to roll. I can't see a reason for not building it, providing the access etc.
Not really convinced that treating it like the deer rutting season is quite the best way to do the politics on this.
But that a) doesn't mean they have the ability to disseminate this information and b) several years out of the game, it changes, it adapts.
Having seen a talk by the analysts at Liverpool, the Fergie style throw your boots at players and scream and shout has been replaced by Machine Learning on big data, probability models, etc, which is then packaged up to players.
The tactics now being deployed have changed radically over the past few years. Gone is the thought that you get it down the wings and whip a cross in....that is absolutely a no no. Same as firing shots from outside the box, that shouldn't be everywhere near the top of your priority list.
And what did Lee Dixon bang on the other day, well they need to get it down the sides....whip crosses in...
One of whom was playing national league football last season.
Even most objective Manchester United fans know what is coming, they aren't winning the PL with the PE teacher in charge.