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  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,346
    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    kle4 said:

    Never heard of Laverbread.

    I seem to recall some TV programme years ago which did a 'Britain's favourite meals' thing, and they made sure all different curries got counted seperately, to make sure 'curry' or 'indian curry' did not win.

    It’s welsh, supposed to be nice. It crops up a few times in the welsh heats of great British menu
    The photo of it though actually looks like an oatcake.
    My god, it’s actually seaweed

    http://allrecipes.co.uk/recipe/34245/welsh-laverbread.aspx
    I see the knowledge of Wales on here is on a par with Scotland. Most never been beyond the M25 and would not recognise anything Welsh or Scottish even if it hit them on the kisser.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,612
    ydoethur said:

    alex_ said:



    ydoethur said:

    Much more important than the name of some offspring, I reckon England cricket has taken a turn for the worse today. If I was at Lords I'd be pretty pissed off and maybe booing. A very generous declaration from NZ, but no effort by England to get the runs before shutting up shop. They could have sought to rotate the strike for the first 30 overs or so, then had a dash, before defending if wickets were lost. You don't need big hitters to get a target of less than 4 an over.

    My other major complaint is the over rate in all form of cricket these days. When I was a lad, 20 overs an hour was the norm. Not this constant fiddling with the field, and drinks breaks. Poor value for money now.

    Edit - I shall of course withdraw all this if England score 140 off the last 20 overs. Likely chance.

    This was perhaps the most depressing England batting display I've seen:

    https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/pakistan-tour-of-england-2001-61459/england-vs-pakistan-2nd-test-63933/full-scorecard

    200 more needed from the last two sessions with 9 wickets in hand, didn't go for the runs, still lost.

    All the more disappointing as they had chased down a total in the Karachi dark a few months earlier:

    https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/england-tour-of-pakistan-2000-01-61759/pakistan-vs-england-3rd-test-63901/full-scorecard
    Admittedly, four of the wickets should have been no balls.
    There was little or no risk in the Karachi match - there were always going to be able to go off for the light if they lost wickets.
    I was thinking of the second Test at Manchester. Saqlain Mushtaq bowled several no balls that even Mohammed Asif would have blinked at, all of them missed by the umpire and four of which took wickets.
    And Saqlain's no-ball's habit was well known about.

    In the Karachi match he had given away 15 while at Manchester was only called once.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,298

    Good British food:

    Cheddar Cheese, Apple Crumble, Coronation Chicken, Mrs King’s Pork Pies, Roast Beef and Horseradish Sandwiches, Stilton, Cumberland Sausage, Marmalade, Dover Sole, Clotted Cream and Jam Scones, Haggis, Stout, Rhubarb and Custard, Chips, Chips, Chips, Bakewell Tart etc etc etc etc

    Obviously we cannot compete with French, Italian and Japanese which are all God Tier.

    It is still not possible to dine “serendipitously” outside of London, like it is in France.

    I presume this is just trying to get a reaction and you are not as stupid as you are pretending.
    Do explain for the stupid among us.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,487

    Good British food:

    Cheddar Cheese, Apple Crumble, Coronation Chicken, Mrs King’s Pork Pies, Roast Beef and Horseradish Sandwiches, Stilton, Cumberland Sausage, Marmalade, Dover Sole, Clotted Cream and Jam Scones, Haggis, Stout, Rhubarb and Custard, Chips, Chips, Chips, Bakewell Tart etc etc etc etc

    Obviously we cannot compete with French, Italian and Japanese which are all God Tier.

    It is still not possible to dine “serendipitously” outside of London, like it is in France.

    Good list, but I'm not sure how much you've travelled outside of London recently?

    The food in Hampshire is very good to phenomenal in most places - it has to be, or they'd close - and that's also the case in Dorset, Somerset, Devon and Cornwall.

    I wonder if there's a strange symbiosis going on here with the smoking ban and change in attitudes to drink-driving here - good food is almost the only way rural hostelries can now survive.
    I was in the Kentish Weald last week.
    I guess it’s got better? It’s hard to remember what it was like twenty years ago.

    But I stand by my claim that serendipitous dining is not really possible, as in you can’t pull into any random pub and expect well cooked, local fare.

    Whereas even motorway services in France will give you a decent meal.
    I can only speak for myself but I've done what you've done and I'm rarely disappointed in the UK now.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    Omnium said:

    isam said:

    Congratulations to the happy couple.

    BABY NEWS: Harry and Meghan’s baby girl has arrived. She’s called Lilibet “Lili” Diana Mountbatten-Windsor.

    https://twitter.com/chrisshipitv/status/1401569722336940032

    Congratulations, and that name is just trying a bit too hard.

    It'd be like me declaring a fatwa and launching a intifada against this site and calling my next son Mike Robert TSE Royale.
    Short price for the first criticism of choice of name!
    Yeah, but I mean COME ON.

    "Lilibet" Diana?

    I wish the kid all the best, but it's nauseating.
    Absolutely, because no parent has ever named their sprog after family members.

    I mean the Queen has the same name as her mother.
    Nice idea from them, but I don’t like nicknames as the official name for kids really. Elizabeth known as ‘Lilibet’ would have been nicer, but then again maybe that’s just me being old fashioned.



    Who cares what the Queen is called in private? Who cares what anyone is called in private? The determination to peek inside one family’s life is completely bizarre.
    I've always felt that M'lud with a doff of the cap was acceptable to the 'My Lord' I usually would require.

    Harry really needs to stop this crap or do a DNA test.
    The obsession with one family you have never met is beyond bizarre.
    For me the benchmark for bizarre is not only running a sockpuppet on pb, but actually having conversations with it. To each his own.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,770
    malcolmg said:

    i personally would move up steak and kidney pudding and relegate cauliflower cheese but apart from that in full agreement

    steak and kidney pudding is horrible , it really needs the kidney replaced by sausages to be a real steak pie.
    Almost always it is.

    However when done right it's wonderful. I don't know how to cook it, and I don't know of any establishment that prepares it well, but I do remember once or twice having a dish to toast.

    Bad haggis is awful too - much the same.

  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541

    England PCR percentages

    image

    The Pennine split is very noticeable.
    It is bleeding very gradually through and out of Lancashire - cases keep rising in Manchester, and are on the rise in Cheshire as well - but compared to the Kent catastrophe it's all pretty pedestrian. And, much more importantly, it's only had a modest effect on hospital admissions and almost none on deaths.

    Again, the catastrophe stubbornly fails to materialise. The publicity seekers on ISAGE must be tearing their hair out.
    I do hope this post ages well. I really do.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,706

    Good British food:

    Cheddar Cheese, Apple Crumble, Coronation Chicken, Mrs King’s Pork Pies, Roast Beef and Horseradish Sandwiches, Stilton, Cumberland Sausage, Marmalade, Dover Sole, Clotted Cream and Jam Scones, Haggis, Stout, Rhubarb and Custard, Chips, Chips, Chips, Bakewell Tart etc etc etc etc

    Obviously we cannot compete with French, Italian and Japanese which are all God Tier.

    It is still not possible to dine “serendipitously” outside of London, like it is in France.

    Good list, but I'm not sure how much you've travelled outside of London recently?

    The food in Hampshire is very good to phenomenal in most places - it has to be, or they'd close - and that's also the case in Dorset, Somerset, Devon and Cornwall.

    I wonder if there's a strange symbiosis going on here with the smoking ban and change in attitudes to drink-driving here - good food is almost the only way rural hostelries can now survive.
    Local knowledge helps. It is fairly easy to eat badly and expensively in most of England, and well at more reasonable places nearby.

    A lot depends on what you consider good food. Nearly everything in the header is unhealthy, full of fat, refined carbs and hardly any vegetables. While pretty much all can be part of a healthy diet, in practice they are mostly part of a nutritional wasteland of a diet.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,418
    Pulpstar said:

    alex_ said:

    Pulpstar said:

    isam said:

    Much more important than the name of some offspring, I reckon England cricket has taken a turn for the worse today. If I was at Lords I'd be pretty pissed off and maybe booing. A very generous declaration from NZ, but no effort by England to get the runs before shutting up shop. They could have sought to rotate the strike for the first 30 overs or so, then had a dash, before defending if wickets were lost. You don't need big hitters to get a target of less than 4 an over.

    My other major complaint is the over rate in all form of cricket these days. When I was a lad, 20 overs an hour was the norm. Not this constant fiddling with the field, and drinks breaks. Poor value for money now.

    Yes, pretty poor show from England
    There's just no appropriate punishment for poor over rates. 5 runs added to the opponent's score for each deemed slow over would soon cut it out.
    I’ve never got particularly worked up about slow over rates, except where clearly being used as a deliberate, and blatant ploy in specific match situations (a run chase, or declaration period). Complaints and suggested “solutions” also tend to ignore the extent to which batting teams and yes, even the umpires, often contribute to what’s happening. Things like DRS etc do also make a significant difference to cricket of the distant past. Clamping down too hard can often even undermine the spectator experience, when captains start bringing on part-timers to race through the overs, when the match situation might otherwise be quite interesting.

    I also people often are far too apt to use the phrase “spectators aren’t getting their money’s worth” (implying they should get money back) without fully acknowledging why this will always be a non-starter - basically accept the principle that people are paying to see a set number of overs and you open the door to refunds for any pay lost to bad weather etc.

    I think also the role of the TV companies in wanting breaks in play to show their advertising etc is usually overlooked.

    So basically it’s all a big conspiracy, not just the “fault” of fielding sides.
    15 overs an hour is not particularly quick, and yes it is the fault of the fielding side 90% of the time. To name names, Stuart Broad is particularly bad for constantly resetting fields and taking an age to get through his overs.
    The third umpire can 'stop the clock' for DRS reviews and so forth, there's an extra half hour for 'stuff' built in and a change of innings is known to cost 2 overs.
    I've been particularly annoyed by it in this match because I've had the chance to watch the County Championship matches on livestreams this season, and I've seen Broad and all the rest of them manage to keep up with 16 overs an hour in those matches.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,612
    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    isam said:

    On Friday, when it was raining at Lords, they showed highlights of a Test match from 1999, and there was an England player I had never heard of playing. I am a relative anorak on cricket and couldn’t believe what I was seeing or hearing. I’d never heard of him as a county player even, let alone ‘I didn’t realise he’d played for England’

    Anyone guess the player?

    Gavin Hamilton?
    The other rather obscure player to play for England in 1999 was Peter Such (one test at Old Trafford, where he took an hour over scoring a duck).

    I am assuming it’s not Ed Giddins who had a long and prominent career with Warwickshire and Sussex, or Darren Maddy, Leicestershire and later Warwickshire captain.
    I wouldn't call Peter Such obscure.
    I remember Such playing loads of Tests. Or were they ODIs? I remember him always looking as if he was in pain.
    Eleven Tests. Largely when they couldn’t think of anyone else to try out.

    Played quite a lot of first class though.

    As of course did Aftab Habib and Gavin Hamilton.

    What did Hamilton and Such have in common, along with Mike Denness?
    Scottish.

    Hamilton did very well for Scotland in the 1999 WC

    Which is more than did the gaggle of all-rounders which England picked - Flintoff, Hollioake, Ealham and Austin. Followed by Ronny Irani in the series against New Zealand.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,870
    England beat Romania 1-0.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,346
    ydoethur said:

    kinabalu said:

    DougSeal said:

    Congratulations to the happy couple.

    BABY NEWS: Harry and Meghan’s baby girl has arrived. She’s called Lilibet “Lili” Diana Mountbatten-Windsor.

    https://twitter.com/chrisshipitv/status/1401569722336940032

    Congratulations, and that name is just trying a bit too hard.

    It'd be like me declaring a fatwa and launching a intifada against this site and calling my next son Mike Robert TSE Royale.
    Short price for the first criticism of choice of name!
    Yeah, but I mean COME ON.

    "Lilibet" Diana?

    I wish the kid all the best, but it's nauseating.
    Absolutely, because no parent has ever named their sprog after family members.

    I mean the Queen has the same name as her mother.
    Lilibet is an affectionate (and private) family nickname for the Queen.

    It's shameless self aggrandisement.
    It’s not really that private. Everyone knows about it. Maybe it’s an attempt to mend fences? Who knows or, at this point, cares.
    We all know the nickname but it's very private and personal to HMQ.

    That's why no-one uses it except her very closest family.
    You come over to me as somebody who would challenge another man to a duel.
    Swords or pistols?
    more likely handbags or twinsets
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,487
    malcolmg said:

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    kle4 said:

    Never heard of Laverbread.

    I seem to recall some TV programme years ago which did a 'Britain's favourite meals' thing, and they made sure all different curries got counted seperately, to make sure 'curry' or 'indian curry' did not win.

    It’s welsh, supposed to be nice. It crops up a few times in the welsh heats of great British menu
    The photo of it though actually looks like an oatcake.
    My god, it’s actually seaweed

    http://allrecipes.co.uk/recipe/34245/welsh-laverbread.aspx
    I see the knowledge of Wales on here is on a par with Scotland. Most never been beyond the M25 and would not recognise anything Welsh or Scottish even if it hit them on the kisser.
    I've been doing some reading recently and was surprised to learn that Welsh nationalism used to be far "worse" than it is now; there were arson attacks on English owned properties in the late 1970s and early 1980s, including some (largely failed) IEDs on water pipes and power lines, and a couple of hunger strikes.

    Thankfully, that's faded into the distance now. It shows that such movements can evolve both ways.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,202
    ydoethur said:

    isam said:

    On Friday, when it was raining at Lords, they showed highlights of a Test match from 1999, and there was an England player I had never heard of playing. I am a relative anorak on cricket and couldn’t believe what I was seeing or hearing. I’d never heard of him as a county player even, let alone ‘I didn’t realise he’d played for England’

    Anyone guess the player?

    Gavin Hamilton?
    The other rather obscure player to play for England in 1999 was Peter Such (one test at Old Trafford, where he took an hour over scoring a duck).

    I am assuming it’s not Ed Giddins who had a long and prominent career with Warwickshire and Sussex, or Darren Maddy, Leicestershire and later Warwickshire captain.
    I played with Ed Giddins at Lords in 2008, and I took a wicket (not his, as he was on my team).

    That is - without a doubt - my greatest cricketing moment.
  • pingping Posts: 3,805
    ping said:

    ping said:

    I’ve backed Romania on the +1.5 & +2 AH @ evens

    Value, I recon.

    Just doubled my stake at 2.1

    The money has gone on England, close to the start.

    Now let’s see if I’ve thrown my money away.
    Decent bet, that.

    Anyone follow me in?
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,298
    The Mars bar was invented in Slough in the 1930s. It’s one of my favourite facts about Slough.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,217
    ydoethur said:

    stodge said:

    Omnium said:



    Tainte Claire is a place I've not visited for ages. It used to be great. I stopped going because I chose to buy dinner for a French chap that turned up without a tie - they insisted that he had one of theirs. I might be wrong in my recollection, but I'm sure I'd have visited again otherwise.

    My guest (the French chap) was uncomfortable throughout the evening and as such basically not only ruined, but went against the whole point of the dinner. It was an unconscionable tie that they lent him.

    The big London restaurant is, in my view, on the decline. And precisely for this sort of crap.

    I'd like to tell you of the best places, but those I suspect I can't get a booking :)

    For those of us who don't frequent Michelin restaurants, it's fair to say there has been a huge improvement in the quality of food out there. Even in my part of London, there are plenty of good places to eat (and some bad ones as well to be fair).

    Pub food, as others have said, has undergone a revolution and there are some extremely good meals to be had at some of London's suburban pubs (a shameless plug for the Cuckfield at Wanstead).
    And in Millom, of course, where even the waitresses are highly experienced criminal lawyers and the food is exquisite.

    (Please make the cheque out to Y Doethur, Cyclefree.)
    Just been checking on reviews of the Tante Claire.

    The Independent was shocked when the cheapest starter was £19 in 1994.

    This is one of the recipes for pig's trotter.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/food-drink-the-cook-his-mates-a-pig-and-some-sausages-charcuterie-gets-the-threestar-treatment-as-pierre-koffman-and-fellow-chefs-turn-a-carcass-into-pate-saucissons-sugo-di-salami-michael-bateman-watches-the-1454530.html
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,870

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    isam said:

    On Friday, when it was raining at Lords, they showed highlights of a Test match from 1999, and there was an England player I had never heard of playing. I am a relative anorak on cricket and couldn’t believe what I was seeing or hearing. I’d never heard of him as a county player even, let alone ‘I didn’t realise he’d played for England’

    Anyone guess the player?

    Gavin Hamilton?
    The other rather obscure player to play for England in 1999 was Peter Such (one test at Old Trafford, where he took an hour over scoring a duck).

    I am assuming it’s not Ed Giddins who had a long and prominent career with Warwickshire and Sussex, or Darren Maddy, Leicestershire and later Warwickshire captain.
    I wouldn't call Peter Such obscure.
    I remember Such playing loads of Tests. Or were they ODIs? I remember him always looking as if he was in pain.
    Eleven Tests. Largely when they couldn’t think of anyone else to try out.

    Played quite a lot of first class though.

    As of course did Aftab Habib and Gavin Hamilton.

    What did Hamilton and Such have in common, along with Mike Denness?
    Scottish.

    Hamilton did very well for Scotland in the 1999 WC

    Which is more than did the gaggle of all-rounders which England picked - Flintoff, Hollioake, Ealham and Austin. Followed by Ronny Irani in the series against New Zealand.
    My name is Ronny Irani
    They all say I'm barmy
    I bat number 4 for Essex
    ESSEX!
    And when I walk in the street
    All the people I meet say
    OI! Big lad! What's your name?

    My name is....
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,202
    MattW said:

    ydoethur said:

    stodge said:

    Omnium said:



    Tainte Claire is a place I've not visited for ages. It used to be great. I stopped going because I chose to buy dinner for a French chap that turned up without a tie - they insisted that he had one of theirs. I might be wrong in my recollection, but I'm sure I'd have visited again otherwise.

    My guest (the French chap) was uncomfortable throughout the evening and as such basically not only ruined, but went against the whole point of the dinner. It was an unconscionable tie that they lent him.

    The big London restaurant is, in my view, on the decline. And precisely for this sort of crap.

    I'd like to tell you of the best places, but those I suspect I can't get a booking :)

    For those of us who don't frequent Michelin restaurants, it's fair to say there has been a huge improvement in the quality of food out there. Even in my part of London, there are plenty of good places to eat (and some bad ones as well to be fair).

    Pub food, as others have said, has undergone a revolution and there are some extremely good meals to be had at some of London's suburban pubs (a shameless plug for the Cuckfield at Wanstead).
    And in Millom, of course, where even the waitresses are highly experienced criminal lawyers and the food is exquisite.

    (Please make the cheque out to Y Doethur, Cyclefree.)
    Just been checking on reviews of the Tante Claire.

    The Independent was shocked when the cheapest starter was £19 in 1994.

    This is one of the recipes for pig's trotter.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/food-drink-the-cook-his-mates-a-pig-and-some-sausages-charcuterie-gets-the-threestar-treatment-as-pierre-koffman-and-fellow-chefs-turn-a-carcass-into-pate-saucissons-sugo-di-salami-michael-bateman-watches-the-1454530.html
    We got the prixe fixed lunch menu, which was about £25.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,865

    It hasn't reopened yet, but this is one of my favourites - sublime and indulgent food, and beds that feel like heaven. A totally English and fully relaxing romantic experience. Get the train to Yeovil Junction, and switch off - completely:

    http://www.littlebarwick.co.uk/

    That looks great, will definitely take a look at that for next summer.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,612

    England PCR percentages

    image

    The Pennine split is very noticeable.
    It is bleeding very gradually through and out of Lancashire - cases keep rising in Manchester, and are on the rise in Cheshire as well - but compared to the Kent catastrophe it's all pretty pedestrian. And, much more importantly, it's only had a modest effect on hospital admissions and almost none on deaths.

    Again, the catastrophe stubbornly fails to materialise. The publicity seekers on ISAGE must be tearing their hair out.
    And every day hundreds of thousand more vaccinations become effective.

    For most of the country Indian variant will be a chance of a free booster shot.

    It might do bad things to vaccine hesitant countries though and there will be a few of them in Europe.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,346
    DavidL said:

    Omnium said:

    maaarsh said:

    Good British food:

    Cheddar Cheese, Apple Crumble, Coronation Chicken, Mrs King’s Pork Pies, Roast Beef and Horseradish Sandwiches, Stilton, Cumberland Sausage, Marmalade, Dover Sole, Clotted Cream and Jam Scones, Haggis, Stout, Rhubarb and Custard, Chips, Chips, Chips, Bakewell Tart etc etc etc etc

    Obviously we cannot compete with French, Italian and Japanese which are all God Tier.

    It is still not possible to dine “serendipitously” outside of London, like it is in France.

    French food is on the slide, it's just as easy to get a poor meal there as here.
    Compare what the French do with a fish soup to anything the British have ever done. Gods of food!

    (To my mind this is a really weird difference. How can the recipe not have spread.)
    Cullen skink is a very decent fish soup if it is made properly.
    langoustines, mussels, lobster , sea bass
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,421

    malcolmg said:

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    kle4 said:

    Never heard of Laverbread.

    I seem to recall some TV programme years ago which did a 'Britain's favourite meals' thing, and they made sure all different curries got counted seperately, to make sure 'curry' or 'indian curry' did not win.

    It’s welsh, supposed to be nice. It crops up a few times in the welsh heats of great British menu
    The photo of it though actually looks like an oatcake.
    My god, it’s actually seaweed

    http://allrecipes.co.uk/recipe/34245/welsh-laverbread.aspx
    I see the knowledge of Wales on here is on a par with Scotland. Most never been beyond the M25 and would not recognise anything Welsh or Scottish even if it hit them on the kisser.
    I've been doing some reading recently and was surprised to learn that Welsh nationalism used to be far "worse" than it is now; there were arson attacks on English owned properties in the late 1970s and early 1980s, including some (largely failed) IEDs on water pipes and power lines, and a couple of hunger strikes.

    Thankfully, that's faded into the distance now. It shows that such movements can evolve both ways.
    Ah, the infamous Byddin Rhyddid Cymru and their successors.

    It was notable that in the 1980s the police were apparently baffled at who had burned down holiday cottages and had the whole lot rolled up within a week when they started talking about actual murders.

    No collusion there.
  • Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905
    DougSeal said:

    England PCR percentages

    image

    The Pennine split is very noticeable.
    It is bleeding very gradually through and out of Lancashire - cases keep rising in Manchester, and are on the rise in Cheshire as well - but compared to the Kent catastrophe it's all pretty pedestrian. And, much more importantly, it's only had a modest effect on hospital admissions and almost none on deaths.

    Again, the catastrophe stubbornly fails to materialise. The publicity seekers on ISAGE must be tearing their hair out.
    I do hope this post ages well. I really do.
    In order for it not to, there needs to be a plausible mechanism for the Indian variant (a bit more infectious than the Kent version, but otherwise not much different) to crash up against the vast wall of the vaccinated and somehow still precipitate a disaster. There isn't one.

    You're not going to collapse the healthcare system with the modest remaining numbers of anti-vaxxers and a few under 40s with bad coughs.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,418
    DavidL said:

    Omnium said:

    maaarsh said:

    Good British food:

    Cheddar Cheese, Apple Crumble, Coronation Chicken, Mrs King’s Pork Pies, Roast Beef and Horseradish Sandwiches, Stilton, Cumberland Sausage, Marmalade, Dover Sole, Clotted Cream and Jam Scones, Haggis, Stout, Rhubarb and Custard, Chips, Chips, Chips, Bakewell Tart etc etc etc etc

    Obviously we cannot compete with French, Italian and Japanese which are all God Tier.

    It is still not possible to dine “serendipitously” outside of London, like it is in France.

    French food is on the slide, it's just as easy to get a poor meal there as here.
    Compare what the French do with a fish soup to anything the British have ever done. Gods of food!

    (To my mind this is a really weird difference. How can the recipe not have spread.)
    Cullen skink is a very decent fish soup if it is made properly.
    Yep - we had a good Cullen Skink in a random place we chose to get dinner at in Inverness, when we stopped off there for the night on the way further north.

    I also had a really good fish soup with plum somewhere in Norwich once. Have never been able to find a recipe to reproduce that one though.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,202
    Re over rates, there are a lot of things that affect it, beyond the desire of the fielding side to delay things.

    For a start, there's the pitch. If it's "new", and the ball is hard, then you're going to be bowling your quicks. And that's inevitably going to mean a much slower over rate than if it's the spinners.

    Then there's the batsmen: if it's a left hander, right hander combination, and they're hitting a decent number of singles, then good luck getting an over done in four minutes.

    I would probably give much more latitude to the umpires: if they believe there is time wasting, then should caution the players, and then there should be a real game penalty - not a ridiculous "£500 from match fees" one.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,346
    edited June 2021
    Omnium said:

    malcolmg said:

    i personally would move up steak and kidney pudding and relegate cauliflower cheese but apart from that in full agreement

    steak and kidney pudding is horrible , it really needs the kidney replaced by sausages to be a real steak pie.
    Almost always it is.

    However when done right it's wonderful. I don't know how to cook it, and I don't know of any establishment that prepares it well, but I do remember once or twice having a dish to toast.

    Bad haggis is awful too - much the same.

    For sure cheap haggis and especially vegan haggis and cheap black pudding are gruesome.
    PS: Hard to beat a good cheese and ham toastie either
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,656
    isam said:

    isam said:

    ydoethur said:

    isam said:

    On Friday, when it was raining at Lords, they showed highlights of a Test match from 1999, and there was an England player I had never heard of playing. I am a relative anorak on cricket and couldn’t believe what I was seeing or hearing. I’d never heard of him as a county player even, let alone ‘I didn’t realise he’d played for England’

    Anyone guess the player?

    Aftab Habib?
    Yes.

    Literally never heard of him. I wouldn’t have believed there was a test match player for England in the last 35 years that I wouldn’t have known

    Had to rewind it about ten times to clock the name, then google
    To be fair many England cricket fans have repressed large parts of the 1990s.

    Wisden do a lot of quizzes like this and it is a great reminder of who has played for England.

    https://wisden.com/play-and-win/quizzes/quiz-every-england-player-who-has-batted-with-alastair-cook-in-tests

    https://wisden.com/category/play-and-win/quizzes
    I’ll have a go. This is a good football one. I didn’t do so well, especially on the recent squads. Got most of 90-98. I think I scored about 200


    https://theblizzard.co.uk/quiz-every-england-squad-since-italia-90/quiz/
    That's a quiz and a half, got something similar.

    Steve Stone and Steve Hodge, that brings back memories.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,487
    Foxy said:

    Good British food:

    Cheddar Cheese, Apple Crumble, Coronation Chicken, Mrs King’s Pork Pies, Roast Beef and Horseradish Sandwiches, Stilton, Cumberland Sausage, Marmalade, Dover Sole, Clotted Cream and Jam Scones, Haggis, Stout, Rhubarb and Custard, Chips, Chips, Chips, Bakewell Tart etc etc etc etc

    Obviously we cannot compete with French, Italian and Japanese which are all God Tier.

    It is still not possible to dine “serendipitously” outside of London, like it is in France.

    Good list, but I'm not sure how much you've travelled outside of London recently?

    The food in Hampshire is very good to phenomenal in most places - it has to be, or they'd close - and that's also the case in Dorset, Somerset, Devon and Cornwall.

    I wonder if there's a strange symbiosis going on here with the smoking ban and change in attitudes to drink-driving here - good food is almost the only way rural hostelries can now survive.
    Local knowledge helps. It is fairly easy to eat badly and expensively in most of England, and well at more reasonable places nearby.

    A lot depends on what you consider good food. Nearly everything in the header is unhealthy, full of fat, refined carbs and hardly any vegetables. While pretty much all can be part of a healthy diet, in practice they are mostly part of a nutritional wasteland of a diet.
    I bet you're really fun at parties.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,217
    edited June 2021


    Yeah, but I mean COME ON.

    "Lilibet" Diana?

    I wish the kid all the best, but it's nauseating.

    One unique name they could have gone for which I think has become available recently is Zeppelina.

    Though it should be Alice Zeppelina to avoid daughterly anger at school.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,298
    malcolmg said:

    Omnium said:

    malcolmg said:

    i personally would move up steak and kidney pudding and relegate cauliflower cheese but apart from that in full agreement

    steak and kidney pudding is horrible , it really needs the kidney replaced by sausages to be a real steak pie.
    Almost always it is.

    However when done right it's wonderful. I don't know how to cook it, and I don't know of any establishment that prepares it well, but I do remember once or twice having a dish to toast.

    Bad haggis is awful too - much the same.

    For sure cheap haggis and especially vegan haggis and cheap black pudding are gruesome.
    My first black pudding was “eaten” at Ramon’s, at dodgy student caff in Cardiff. It was the day after a Radiohead concert.

    Said pudding was indigestible.
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 3,883

    malcolmg said:

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    kle4 said:

    Never heard of Laverbread.

    I seem to recall some TV programme years ago which did a 'Britain's favourite meals' thing, and they made sure all different curries got counted seperately, to make sure 'curry' or 'indian curry' did not win.

    It’s welsh, supposed to be nice. It crops up a few times in the welsh heats of great British menu
    The photo of it though actually looks like an oatcake.
    My god, it’s actually seaweed

    http://allrecipes.co.uk/recipe/34245/welsh-laverbread.aspx
    I see the knowledge of Wales on here is on a par with Scotland. Most never been beyond the M25 and would not recognise anything Welsh or Scottish even if it hit them on the kisser.
    I've been doing some reading recently and was surprised to learn that Welsh nationalism used to be far "worse" than it is now; there were arson attacks on English owned properties in the late 1970s and early 1980s, including some (largely failed) IEDs on water pipes and power lines, and a couple of hunger strikes.

    Thankfully, that's faded into the distance now. It shows that such movements can evolve both ways.
    I remember the torching of holiday homes by Welsh terrorists in the mid 70s myself when I was a child in England. Quite shocking. It also gave a deeper meaning to the NCB coal adverts on TV - "...come home to a real fire..."
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,418

    ydoethur said:

    isam said:

    On Friday, when it was raining at Lords, they showed highlights of a Test match from 1999, and there was an England player I had never heard of playing. I am a relative anorak on cricket and couldn’t believe what I was seeing or hearing. I’d never heard of him as a county player even, let alone ‘I didn’t realise he’d played for England’

    Anyone guess the player?

    Gavin Hamilton?
    The other rather obscure player to play for England in 1999 was Peter Such (one test at Old Trafford, where he took an hour over scoring a duck).

    I am assuming it’s not Ed Giddins who had a long and prominent career with Warwickshire and Sussex, or Darren Maddy, Leicestershire and later Warwickshire captain.
    I wouldn't call Peter Such obscure.
    I remember Such playing loads of Tests. Or were they ODIs? I remember him always looking as if he was in pain.
    Peter Such was the second best spinner in the 1993 Ashes series, marginally behind some really obscure player from Australia we never heard any more from.

    That was the summer I discovered Test cricket. Happy days. Apart from losing, of course.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,870
    malcolmg said:

    Omnium said:

    malcolmg said:

    i personally would move up steak and kidney pudding and relegate cauliflower cheese but apart from that in full agreement

    steak and kidney pudding is horrible , it really needs the kidney replaced by sausages to be a real steak pie.
    Almost always it is.

    However when done right it's wonderful. I don't know how to cook it, and I don't know of any establishment that prepares it well, but I do remember once or twice having a dish to toast.

    Bad haggis is awful too - much the same.

    For sure cheap haggis and especially vegan haggis and cheap black pudding are gruesome.
    PS: Hard to beat a good cheese and ham toastie either
    Had a very nice vegan haggis in a bun from a burger van at Kilt Rock on the Isle of Skye back in 2019.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,870

    ydoethur said:

    isam said:

    On Friday, when it was raining at Lords, they showed highlights of a Test match from 1999, and there was an England player I had never heard of playing. I am a relative anorak on cricket and couldn’t believe what I was seeing or hearing. I’d never heard of him as a county player even, let alone ‘I didn’t realise he’d played for England’

    Anyone guess the player?

    Gavin Hamilton?
    The other rather obscure player to play for England in 1999 was Peter Such (one test at Old Trafford, where he took an hour over scoring a duck).

    I am assuming it’s not Ed Giddins who had a long and prominent career with Warwickshire and Sussex, or Darren Maddy, Leicestershire and later Warwickshire captain.
    I wouldn't call Peter Such obscure.
    I remember Such playing loads of Tests. Or were they ODIs? I remember him always looking as if he was in pain.
    Peter Such was the second best spinner in the 1993 Ashes series, marginally behind some really obscure player from Australia we never heard any more from.

    That was the summer I discovered Test cricket. Happy days. Apart from losing, of course.
    That was the same Ashes series that I myself discovered Test Cricket! I got my first PC that year and actually used the Test scores as an excuse to enter all the data into Excel :lol:
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    A party which specialises in offering something to everyone did not become Scotland’s natural party of government by making tough choices. But sometimes choices must be made and those choices will be revealing. Some questions must be answered precisely because their answers are awkward. And one of these is: “What is a woman and can she have a penis?”

    Based on her government’s policy, I think Nicola Sturgeon might have to offer this answer: “Who can truly say but yes.” For it is SNP policy that “trans women are women”, and there is no difference between a natal female and a trans woman who retains the traditional physical accoutrements of masculinity. Despite ample evidence to the contrary, Sturgeon insists there is no clash between women’s rights and those of trans people.


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/0f3a824a-c622-11eb-912a-e652f3ef104d?shareToken=ab6d181a65855e32b5cbf4af7c50904d
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,217
    ydoethur said:

    isam said:

    On Friday, when it was raining at Lords, they showed highlights of a Test match from 1999, and there was an England player I had never heard of playing. I am a relative anorak on cricket and couldn’t believe what I was seeing or hearing. I’d never heard of him as a county player even, let alone ‘I didn’t realise he’d played for England’

    Anyone guess the player?

    Gavin Hamilton?
    The other rather obscure player to play for England in 1999 was Peter Such (one test at Old Trafford, where he took an hour over scoring a duck).

    I am assuming it’s not Ed Giddins who had a long and prominent career with Warwickshire and Sussex, or Darren Maddy, Leicestershire and later Warwickshire captain.
    This worried me, as I remember Such playing.

    But I see it was one test in 1999. And 11 overall so I can be forgiven.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,346

    malcolmg said:

    Omnium said:

    malcolmg said:

    i personally would move up steak and kidney pudding and relegate cauliflower cheese but apart from that in full agreement

    steak and kidney pudding is horrible , it really needs the kidney replaced by sausages to be a real steak pie.
    Almost always it is.

    However when done right it's wonderful. I don't know how to cook it, and I don't know of any establishment that prepares it well, but I do remember once or twice having a dish to toast.

    Bad haggis is awful too - much the same.

    For sure cheap haggis and especially vegan haggis and cheap black pudding are gruesome.
    PS: Hard to beat a good cheese and ham toastie either
    Had a very nice vegan haggis in a bun from a burger van at Kilt Rock on the Isle of Skye back in 2019.
    Lucky man
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,418
    rcs1000 said:

    Re over rates, there are a lot of things that affect it, beyond the desire of the fielding side to delay things.

    For a start, there's the pitch. If it's "new", and the ball is hard, then you're going to be bowling your quicks. And that's inevitably going to mean a much slower over rate than if it's the spinners.

    Then there's the batsmen: if it's a left hander, right hander combination, and they're hitting a decent number of singles, then good luck getting an over done in four minutes.

    I would probably give much more latitude to the umpires: if they believe there is time wasting, then should caution the players, and then there should be a real game penalty - not a ridiculous "£500 from match fees" one.

    All those factors apply in the county game. The only difference is DRS. And the target in the county game is 16 overs an hour. County teams all manage to keep up with the over rate. Why?

    It's because they're docked points if they are behind the over rate.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,983
    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    Omnium said:

    malcolmg said:

    i personally would move up steak and kidney pudding and relegate cauliflower cheese but apart from that in full agreement

    steak and kidney pudding is horrible , it really needs the kidney replaced by sausages to be a real steak pie.
    Almost always it is.

    However when done right it's wonderful. I don't know how to cook it, and I don't know of any establishment that prepares it well, but I do remember once or twice having a dish to toast.

    Bad haggis is awful too - much the same.

    For sure cheap haggis and especially vegan haggis and cheap black pudding are gruesome.
    PS: Hard to beat a good cheese and ham toastie either
    Had a very nice vegan haggis in a bun from a burger van at Kilt Rock on the Isle of Skye back in 2019.
    Lucky man
    Makes up for trying to get rid of us on Mull with Old Mull Whisky.

    Makes
  • state_go_awaystate_go_away Posts: 5,813

    isam said:

    ydoethur said:

    isam said:

    On Friday, when it was raining at Lords, they showed highlights of a Test match from 1999, and there was an England player I had never heard of playing. I am a relative anorak on cricket and couldn’t believe what I was seeing or hearing. I’d never heard of him as a county player even, let alone ‘I didn’t realise he’d played for England’

    Anyone guess the player?

    Aftab Habib?
    Yes.

    Literally never heard of him. I wouldn’t have believed there was a test match player for England in the last 35 years that I wouldn’t have known

    Had to rewind it about ten times to clock the name, then google
    To be fair many England cricket fans have repressed large parts of the 1990s.

    Wisden do a lot of quizzes like this and it is a great reminder of who has played for England.

    https://wisden.com/play-and-win/quizzes/quiz-every-england-player-who-has-batted-with-alastair-cook-in-tests

    https://wisden.com/category/play-and-win/quizzes
    Did really badly on the Cook partner quiz. Not sure whether to be pleased at how bad I did (done better things over the last 15 years than focus on test cricket -PB?) or lament (oh whatever happened to that Mastermind level of 1980's test cricket ) or just worry about possible dementia given I forgot Stokes
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    malcolmg said:

    Omnium said:

    malcolmg said:

    i personally would move up steak and kidney pudding and relegate cauliflower cheese but apart from that in full agreement

    steak and kidney pudding is horrible , it really needs the kidney replaced by sausages to be a real steak pie.
    Almost always it is.

    However when done right it's wonderful. I don't know how to cook it, and I don't know of any establishment that prepares it well, but I do remember once or twice having a dish to toast.

    Bad haggis is awful too - much the same.

    For sure cheap haggis and especially vegan haggis and cheap black pudding are gruesome.
    PS: Hard to beat a good cheese and ham toastie either
    Had a very nice vegan haggis in a bun from a burger van at Kilt Rock on the Isle of Skye back in 2019.
    I'm just anchoring off Colonsay. Will let you know if it's a pan Hebridean thing.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,770
    malcolmg said:

    Omnium said:

    malcolmg said:

    i personally would move up steak and kidney pudding and relegate cauliflower cheese but apart from that in full agreement

    steak and kidney pudding is horrible , it really needs the kidney replaced by sausages to be a real steak pie.
    Almost always it is.

    However when done right it's wonderful. I don't know how to cook it, and I don't know of any establishment that prepares it well, but I do remember once or twice having a dish to toast.

    Bad haggis is awful too - much the same.

    For sure cheap haggis and especially vegan haggis and cheap black pudding are gruesome.
    PS: Hard to beat a good cheese and ham toastie either
    I'd not disagree for a moment about the toasties. For me the main ingredient to make it good or bad is the bread. I've no idea what the best choice is, but it may actually be not so great bread, as in the way that the best cheese on burgers seems to be the crappy stuff.

    There is nothing more I seek than a proper restaurant that offers a steak and kidney pudding.

  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,706

    Foxy said:

    Good British food:

    Cheddar Cheese, Apple Crumble, Coronation Chicken, Mrs King’s Pork Pies, Roast Beef and Horseradish Sandwiches, Stilton, Cumberland Sausage, Marmalade, Dover Sole, Clotted Cream and Jam Scones, Haggis, Stout, Rhubarb and Custard, Chips, Chips, Chips, Bakewell Tart etc etc etc etc

    Obviously we cannot compete with French, Italian and Japanese which are all God Tier.

    It is still not possible to dine “serendipitously” outside of London, like it is in France.

    Good list, but I'm not sure how much you've travelled outside of London recently?

    The food in Hampshire is very good to phenomenal in most places - it has to be, or they'd close - and that's also the case in Dorset, Somerset, Devon and Cornwall.

    I wonder if there's a strange symbiosis going on here with the smoking ban and change in attitudes to drink-driving here - good food is almost the only way rural hostelries can now survive.
    Local knowledge helps. It is fairly easy to eat badly and expensively in most of England, and well at more reasonable places nearby.

    A lot depends on what you consider good food. Nearly everything in the header is unhealthy, full of fat, refined carbs and hardly any vegetables. While pretty much all can be part of a healthy diet, in practice they are mostly part of a nutritional wasteland of a diet.
    I bet you're really fun at parties.
    Sure, parties are an exception to normally healthy food, pretty much everything can be part of a balanced diet as an occasional item.

    Britain has a long growing season, and this is extended further by greenhouses etc, so possible to have a rich diet of fresh seasonal British veg most of the year. Few people do of course, and that keeps the complicated diabetes clinic busy.

  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,298
    Omnium said:

    malcolmg said:

    Omnium said:

    malcolmg said:

    i personally would move up steak and kidney pudding and relegate cauliflower cheese but apart from that in full agreement

    steak and kidney pudding is horrible , it really needs the kidney replaced by sausages to be a real steak pie.
    Almost always it is.

    However when done right it's wonderful. I don't know how to cook it, and I don't know of any establishment that prepares it well, but I do remember once or twice having a dish to toast.

    Bad haggis is awful too - much the same.

    For sure cheap haggis and especially vegan haggis and cheap black pudding are gruesome.
    PS: Hard to beat a good cheese and ham toastie either
    I'd not disagree for a moment about the toasties. For me the main ingredient to make it good or bad is the bread. I've no idea what the best choice is, but it may actually be not so great bread, as in the way that the best cheese on burgers seems to be the crappy stuff.

    There is nothing more I seek than a proper restaurant that offers a steak and kidney pudding.

    Rules?
  • state_go_awaystate_go_away Posts: 5,813

    England beat Romania 1-0.

    Vlad the impaler and any other famous Romanian we gave your boys a highly predictable 1-0 victory
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,375

    malcolmg said:

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    kle4 said:

    Never heard of Laverbread.

    I seem to recall some TV programme years ago which did a 'Britain's favourite meals' thing, and they made sure all different curries got counted seperately, to make sure 'curry' or 'indian curry' did not win.

    It’s welsh, supposed to be nice. It crops up a few times in the welsh heats of great British menu
    The photo of it though actually looks like an oatcake.
    My god, it’s actually seaweed

    http://allrecipes.co.uk/recipe/34245/welsh-laverbread.aspx
    I see the knowledge of Wales on here is on a par with Scotland. Most never been beyond the M25 and would not recognise anything Welsh or Scottish even if it hit them on the kisser.
    I've been doing some reading recently and was surprised to learn that Welsh nationalism used to be far "worse" than it is now; there were arson attacks on English owned properties in the late 1970s and early 1980s, including some (largely failed) IEDs on water pipes and power lines, and a couple of hunger strikes.

    Thankfully, that's faded into the distance now. It shows that such movements can evolve both ways.
    Welsh nationalism was actually very powerful back in the period 1885 - 1918 when the Liberal Party was dominant. Mainly Welsh-speaking, nonconformist, tenant farmers and labourers, and industrial workers, greatly resented mainly English speaking Anglican landlords and mine owners. To an extent, Wales resembled Ireland back then. The growth of the Welsh Labour Party, and the linked decline in Welsh-speaking and nonconformism, did a lot to kill nationalism.
  • rural_voterrural_voter Posts: 2,038
    Foxy said:

    Good British food:

    Cheddar Cheese, Apple Crumble, Coronation Chicken, Mrs King’s Pork Pies, Roast Beef and Horseradish Sandwiches, Stilton, Cumberland Sausage, Marmalade, Dover Sole, Clotted Cream and Jam Scones, Haggis, Stout, Rhubarb and Custard, Chips, Chips, Chips, Bakewell Tart etc etc etc etc

    Obviously we cannot compete with French, Italian and Japanese which are all God Tier.

    It is still not possible to dine “serendipitously” outside of London, like it is in France.

    Good list, but I'm not sure how much you've travelled outside of London recently?

    The food in Hampshire is very good to phenomenal in most places - it has to be, or they'd close - and that's also the case in Dorset, Somerset, Devon and Cornwall.

    I wonder if there's a strange symbiosis going on here with the smoking ban and change in attitudes to drink-driving here - good food is almost the only way rural hostelries can now survive.
    Local knowledge helps. It is fairly easy to eat badly and expensively in most of England, and well at more reasonable places nearby.

    A lot depends on what you consider good food. Nearly everything in the header is unhealthy, full of fat, refined carbs and hardly any vegetables. While pretty much all can be part of a healthy diet, in practice they are mostly part of a nutritional wasteland of a diet.
    Saturated fat, e.g. cheese & butter from grass-fed animals, is in reasonable amounts extremely good for health. It raises HDL cholesterol = a good thing. The French and Swiss have the highest sat. fat consumption in Europe, I think and statistically have good health.

    The UK and US govts and medical professions have given people the opposite advice for >40 years - the so-called 'food pyramid'. The UK has an apparent epidemic - one is tempted to say 'pandemic' - of type 2 diabetes.

    The Anglosphere, with semi-junk food diets, has appalling overweight and obesity figures. Western Europe (i.e. other than the UK) and the Far East do quite well.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,770

    Omnium said:

    malcolmg said:

    Omnium said:

    malcolmg said:

    i personally would move up steak and kidney pudding and relegate cauliflower cheese but apart from that in full agreement

    steak and kidney pudding is horrible , it really needs the kidney replaced by sausages to be a real steak pie.
    Almost always it is.

    However when done right it's wonderful. I don't know how to cook it, and I don't know of any establishment that prepares it well, but I do remember once or twice having a dish to toast.

    Bad haggis is awful too - much the same.

    For sure cheap haggis and especially vegan haggis and cheap black pudding are gruesome.
    PS: Hard to beat a good cheese and ham toastie either
    I'd not disagree for a moment about the toasties. For me the main ingredient to make it good or bad is the bread. I've no idea what the best choice is, but it may actually be not so great bread, as in the way that the best cheese on burgers seems to be the crappy stuff.

    There is nothing more I seek than a proper restaurant that offers a steak and kidney pudding.

    Rules?
    Yeah, was never that impressed by their cooking, although it's a great place.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,706
    edited June 2021

    Foxy said:

    Good British food:

    Cheddar Cheese, Apple Crumble, Coronation Chicken, Mrs King’s Pork Pies, Roast Beef and Horseradish Sandwiches, Stilton, Cumberland Sausage, Marmalade, Dover Sole, Clotted Cream and Jam Scones, Haggis, Stout, Rhubarb and Custard, Chips, Chips, Chips, Bakewell Tart etc etc etc etc

    Obviously we cannot compete with French, Italian and Japanese which are all God Tier.

    It is still not possible to dine “serendipitously” outside of London, like it is in France.

    Good list, but I'm not sure how much you've travelled outside of London recently?

    The food in Hampshire is very good to phenomenal in most places - it has to be, or they'd close - and that's also the case in Dorset, Somerset, Devon and Cornwall.

    I wonder if there's a strange symbiosis going on here with the smoking ban and change in attitudes to drink-driving here - good food is almost the only way rural hostelries can now survive.
    Local knowledge helps. It is fairly easy to eat badly and expensively in most of England, and well at more reasonable places nearby.

    A lot depends on what you consider good food. Nearly everything in the header is unhealthy, full of fat, refined carbs and hardly any vegetables. While pretty much all can be part of a healthy diet, in practice they are mostly part of a nutritional wasteland of a diet.
    Saturated fat, e.g. cheese & butter from grass-fed animals, is in reasonable amounts extremely good for health. It raises HDL cholesterol = a good thing. The French and Swiss have the highest sat. fat consumption in Europe, I think and statistically have good health.

    The UK and US govts and medical professions have given people the opposite advice for >40 years - the so-called 'food pyramid'. The UK has an apparent epidemic - one is tempted to say 'pandemic' - of type 2 diabetes.

    The Anglosphere, with semi-junk food diets, has appalling overweight and obesity figures. Western Europe (i.e. other than the UK) and the Far East do quite well.
    Yes, and the Dutch have a traditional diet that on the face of it is full of saturated fat and carbs. They make up for it by doing a lot of cycling so are amongst the slimmest of Europeans.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216

    malcolmg said:

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    kle4 said:

    Never heard of Laverbread.

    I seem to recall some TV programme years ago which did a 'Britain's favourite meals' thing, and they made sure all different curries got counted seperately, to make sure 'curry' or 'indian curry' did not win.

    It’s welsh, supposed to be nice. It crops up a few times in the welsh heats of great British menu
    The photo of it though actually looks like an oatcake.
    My god, it’s actually seaweed

    http://allrecipes.co.uk/recipe/34245/welsh-laverbread.aspx
    I see the knowledge of Wales on here is on a par with Scotland. Most never been beyond the M25 and would not recognise anything Welsh or Scottish even if it hit them on the kisser.
    I've been doing some reading recently and was surprised to learn that Welsh nationalism used to be far "worse" than it is now; there were arson attacks on English owned properties in the late 1970s and early 1980s
    Old joke:

    "Come home to a real fire.

    Buy a cottage in Wales"
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,676
    I would sack Joe Root after that interview

    Pathetic
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,176
    MattW said:

    ydoethur said:

    isam said:

    On Friday, when it was raining at Lords, they showed highlights of a Test match from 1999, and there was an England player I had never heard of playing. I am a relative anorak on cricket and couldn’t believe what I was seeing or hearing. I’d never heard of him as a county player even, let alone ‘I didn’t realise he’d played for England’

    Anyone guess the player?

    Gavin Hamilton?
    The other rather obscure player to play for England in 1999 was Peter Such (one test at Old Trafford, where he took an hour over scoring a duck).

    I am assuming it’s not Ed Giddins who had a long and prominent career with Warwickshire and Sussex, or Darren Maddy, Leicestershire and later Warwickshire captain.
    This worried me, as I remember Such playing.

    But I see it was one test in 1999. And 11 overall so I can be forgiven.
    TMS during the 1999 Old Trafford Test:

    Only England could pick as many wicket keepers as seamers and spinners.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,870

    Omnium said:

    malcolmg said:

    Omnium said:

    malcolmg said:

    i personally would move up steak and kidney pudding and relegate cauliflower cheese but apart from that in full agreement

    steak and kidney pudding is horrible , it really needs the kidney replaced by sausages to be a real steak pie.
    Almost always it is.

    However when done right it's wonderful. I don't know how to cook it, and I don't know of any establishment that prepares it well, but I do remember once or twice having a dish to toast.

    Bad haggis is awful too - much the same.

    For sure cheap haggis and especially vegan haggis and cheap black pudding are gruesome.
    PS: Hard to beat a good cheese and ham toastie either
    I'd not disagree for a moment about the toasties. For me the main ingredient to make it good or bad is the bread. I've no idea what the best choice is, but it may actually be not so great bread, as in the way that the best cheese on burgers seems to be the crappy stuff.

    There is nothing more I seek than a proper restaurant that offers a steak and kidney pudding.

    Rules?
    Not rules, more "guidelines".
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,983
    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Good British food:

    Cheddar Cheese, Apple Crumble, Coronation Chicken, Mrs King’s Pork Pies, Roast Beef and Horseradish Sandwiches, Stilton, Cumberland Sausage, Marmalade, Dover Sole, Clotted Cream and Jam Scones, Haggis, Stout, Rhubarb and Custard, Chips, Chips, Chips, Bakewell Tart etc etc etc etc

    Obviously we cannot compete with French, Italian and Japanese which are all God Tier.

    It is still not possible to dine “serendipitously” outside of London, like it is in France.

    Good list, but I'm not sure how much you've travelled outside of London recently?

    The food in Hampshire is very good to phenomenal in most places - it has to be, or they'd close - and that's also the case in Dorset, Somerset, Devon and Cornwall.

    I wonder if there's a strange symbiosis going on here with the smoking ban and change in attitudes to drink-driving here - good food is almost the only way rural hostelries can now survive.
    Local knowledge helps. It is fairly easy to eat badly and expensively in most of England, and well at more reasonable places nearby.

    A lot depends on what you consider good food. Nearly everything in the header is unhealthy, full of fat, refined carbs and hardly any vegetables. While pretty much all can be part of a healthy diet, in practice they are mostly part of a nutritional wasteland of a diet.
    Saturated fat, e.g. cheese & butter from grass-fed animals, is in reasonable amounts extremely good for health. It raises HDL cholesterol = a good thing. The French and Swiss have the highest sat. fat consumption in Europe, I think and statistically have good health.

    The UK and US govts and medical professions have given people the opposite advice for >40 years - the so-called 'food pyramid'. The UK has an apparent epidemic - one is tempted to say 'pandemic' - of type 2 diabetes.

    The Anglosphere, with semi-junk food diets, has appalling overweight and obesity figures. Western Europe (i.e. other than the UK) and the Far East do quite well.
    Yes, and the Dutch have a traditional diet that on the face of it is full of saturated fat and carbs. They make up for it by doing a lot of cycling so are amongst the slimmest of Europeans.
    So it doesn't matter what you eat as long as you exercise is what you're saying?
  • AnExileinD4AnExileinD4 Posts: 337
    edited June 2021
    TOPPING said:

    Good British food:

    Cheddar Cheese, Apple Crumble, Coronation Chicken, Mrs King’s Pork Pies, Roast Beef and Horseradish Sandwiches, Stilton, Cumberland Sausage, Marmalade, Dover Sole, Clotted Cream and Jam Scones, Haggis, Stout, Rhubarb and Custard, Chips, Chips, Chips, Bakewell Tart etc etc etc etc

    Obviously we cannot compete with French, Italian and Japanese which are all God Tier.

    It is still not possible to dine “serendipitously” outside of London, like it is in France.

    I presume this is just trying to get a reaction and you are not as stupid as you are pretending.
    Whoa Chris hold your horses. A great list.

    Walls Sausages an obvious omission. Plus potted shrimps, black pudding, grilled kidneys, and Domino's pizza.
    The “everything outside the M25 is shit” line is deeply tedious. And incorrect. Yours having lived in London for over 20 years.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 22,827

    TOPPING said:

    Good British food:

    Cheddar Cheese, Apple Crumble, Coronation Chicken, Mrs King’s Pork Pies, Roast Beef and Horseradish Sandwiches, Stilton, Cumberland Sausage, Marmalade, Dover Sole, Clotted Cream and Jam Scones, Haggis, Stout, Rhubarb and Custard, Chips, Chips, Chips, Bakewell Tart etc etc etc etc

    Obviously we cannot compete with French, Italian and Japanese which are all God Tier.

    It is still not possible to dine “serendipitously” outside of London, like it is in France.

    I presume this is just trying to get a reaction and you are not as stupid as you are pretending.
    Whoa Chris hold your horses. A great list.

    Walls Sausages an obvious omission. Plus potted shrimps, black pudding, grilled kidneys, and Domino's pizza.
    The “everything outside the M25 is shit” line is deeply tedious. And incorrect. You’re having lived in London for over 20 years.
    Indeed. There are some nice places around Guildford and St Albans nowadays.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,100
    edited June 2021
    Sean_F said:

    malcolmg said:

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    kle4 said:

    Never heard of Laverbread.

    I seem to recall some TV programme years ago which did a 'Britain's favourite meals' thing, and they made sure all different curries got counted seperately, to make sure 'curry' or 'indian curry' did not win.

    It’s welsh, supposed to be nice. It crops up a few times in the welsh heats of great British menu
    The photo of it though actually looks like an oatcake.
    My god, it’s actually seaweed

    http://allrecipes.co.uk/recipe/34245/welsh-laverbread.aspx
    I see the knowledge of Wales on here is on a par with Scotland. Most never been beyond the M25 and would not recognise anything Welsh or Scottish even if it hit them on the kisser.
    I've been doing some reading recently and was surprised to learn that Welsh nationalism used to be far "worse" than it is now; there were arson attacks on English owned properties in the late 1970s and early 1980s, including some (largely failed) IEDs on water pipes and power lines, and a couple of hunger strikes.

    Thankfully, that's faded into the distance now. It shows that such movements can evolve both ways.
    Welsh nationalism was actually very powerful back in the period 1885 - 1918 when the Liberal Party was dominant. Mainly Welsh-speaking, nonconformist, tenant farmers and labourers, and industrial workers, greatly resented mainly English speaking Anglican landlords and mine owners. To an extent, Wales resembled Ireland back then. The growth of the Welsh Labour Party, and the linked decline in Welsh-speaking and nonconformism, did a lot to kill nationalism.
    I well remember the arson attacks in the 70s and 80s and to this day there is widespread resentment to holiday homes in North Wales with recent demands to address the issue with increased taxes and restrictions
  • AnExileinD4AnExileinD4 Posts: 337

    malcolmg said:

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    kle4 said:

    Never heard of Laverbread.

    I seem to recall some TV programme years ago which did a 'Britain's favourite meals' thing, and they made sure all different curries got counted seperately, to make sure 'curry' or 'indian curry' did not win.

    It’s welsh, supposed to be nice. It crops up a few times in the welsh heats of great British menu
    The photo of it though actually looks like an oatcake.
    My god, it’s actually seaweed

    http://allrecipes.co.uk/recipe/34245/welsh-laverbread.aspx
    I see the knowledge of Wales on here is on a par with Scotland. Most never been beyond the M25 and would not recognise anything Welsh or Scottish even if it hit them on the kisser.
    I've been doing some reading recently and was surprised to learn that Welsh nationalism used to be far "worse" than it is now; there were arson attacks on English owned properties in the late 1970s and early 1980s, including some (largely failed) IEDs on water pipes and power lines, and a couple of hunger strikes.

    Thankfully, that's faded into the distance now. It shows that such movements can evolve both ways.
    I remember the torching of holiday homes by Welsh terrorists in the mid 70s myself when I was a child in England. Quite shocking. It also gave a deeper meaning to the NCB coal adverts on TV - "...come home to a real fire..."
    The Sons of Glyndwr were, by any standards, a pretty low grade revolutionary moment. Barn fire in Builth Wells momentum.
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 6,724
    Techie question.. why doesn't bbc video highlights chromecast to.my smart TV?
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,254
    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Good British food:

    Cheddar Cheese, Apple Crumble, Coronation Chicken, Mrs King’s Pork Pies, Roast Beef and Horseradish Sandwiches, Stilton, Cumberland Sausage, Marmalade, Dover Sole, Clotted Cream and Jam Scones, Haggis, Stout, Rhubarb and Custard, Chips, Chips, Chips, Bakewell Tart etc etc etc etc

    Obviously we cannot compete with French, Italian and Japanese which are all God Tier.

    It is still not possible to dine “serendipitously” outside of London, like it is in France.

    Good list, but I'm not sure how much you've travelled outside of London recently?

    The food in Hampshire is very good to phenomenal in most places - it has to be, or they'd close - and that's also the case in Dorset, Somerset, Devon and Cornwall.

    I wonder if there's a strange symbiosis going on here with the smoking ban and change in attitudes to drink-driving here - good food is almost the only way rural hostelries can now survive.
    Local knowledge helps. It is fairly easy to eat badly and expensively in most of England, and well at more reasonable places nearby.

    A lot depends on what you consider good food. Nearly everything in the header is unhealthy, full of fat, refined carbs and hardly any vegetables. While pretty much all can be part of a healthy diet, in practice they are mostly part of a nutritional wasteland of a diet.
    I bet you're really fun at parties.
    Sure, parties are an exception to normally healthy food, pretty much everything can be part of a balanced diet as an occasional item.

    Britain has a long growing season, and this is extended further by greenhouses etc, so possible to have a rich diet of fresh seasonal British veg most of the year. Few people do of course, and that keeps the complicated diabetes clinic busy.

    If you simply asked people to avoid carbs, they'd be OK. Plenty of people have put T2D into remission by avoiding carbs, for which there is no dietary requirement. Although I agree with you on the veg front.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    isam said:

    isam said:

    ydoethur said:

    isam said:

    On Friday, when it was raining at Lords, they showed highlights of a Test match from 1999, and there was an England player I had never heard of playing. I am a relative anorak on cricket and couldn’t believe what I was seeing or hearing. I’d never heard of him as a county player even, let alone ‘I didn’t realise he’d played for England’

    Anyone guess the player?

    Aftab Habib?
    Yes.

    Literally never heard of him. I wouldn’t have believed there was a test match player for England in the last 35 years that I wouldn’t have known

    Had to rewind it about ten times to clock the name, then google
    To be fair many England cricket fans have repressed large parts of the 1990s.

    Wisden do a lot of quizzes like this and it is a great reminder of who has played for England.

    https://wisden.com/play-and-win/quizzes/quiz-every-england-player-who-has-batted-with-alastair-cook-in-tests

    https://wisden.com/category/play-and-win/quizzes
    I’ll have a go. This is a good football one. I didn’t do so well, especially on the recent squads. Got most of 90-98. I think I scored about 200


    https://theblizzard.co.uk/quiz-every-england-squad-since-italia-90/quiz/
    That's a quiz and a half, got something similar.

    Steve Stone and Steve Hodge, that brings back memories.
    Some of the 2012-2018 squads completely foxed me. Crystal Palace midfielder in the 2018 squad? I wouldn’t have got it in a million years

    Only 25/42 of Cooks partners too, not good
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,080
    edited June 2021

    I would sack Joe Root after that interview

    Pathetic

    What did he say?

    Oh seen it,

    "We didn't attempt to win it towards the back end of it. We felt that, in the grand scheme of things, winning the series was [more important than] potentially giving them a 1-0 lead going into the second Test. The series is very much alive."

    Can you imagine any Australian captain ever saying that?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,487

    malcolmg said:

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    kle4 said:

    Never heard of Laverbread.

    I seem to recall some TV programme years ago which did a 'Britain's favourite meals' thing, and they made sure all different curries got counted seperately, to make sure 'curry' or 'indian curry' did not win.

    It’s welsh, supposed to be nice. It crops up a few times in the welsh heats of great British menu
    The photo of it though actually looks like an oatcake.
    My god, it’s actually seaweed

    http://allrecipes.co.uk/recipe/34245/welsh-laverbread.aspx
    I see the knowledge of Wales on here is on a par with Scotland. Most never been beyond the M25 and would not recognise anything Welsh or Scottish even if it hit them on the kisser.
    I've been doing some reading recently and was surprised to learn that Welsh nationalism used to be far "worse" than it is now; there were arson attacks on English owned properties in the late 1970s and early 1980s
    Old joke:

    "Come home to a real fire.

    Buy a cottage in Wales"
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ug83fGYm-YI
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,200
    edited June 2021
    IshmaelZ said:

    malcolmg said:

    Omnium said:

    malcolmg said:

    i personally would move up steak and kidney pudding and relegate cauliflower cheese but apart from that in full agreement

    steak and kidney pudding is horrible , it really needs the kidney replaced by sausages to be a real steak pie.
    Almost always it is.

    However when done right it's wonderful. I don't know how to cook it, and I don't know of any establishment that prepares it well, but I do remember once or twice having a dish to toast.

    Bad haggis is awful too - much the same.

    For sure cheap haggis and especially vegan haggis and cheap black pudding are gruesome.
    PS: Hard to beat a good cheese and ham toastie either
    Had a very nice vegan haggis in a bun from a burger van at Kilt Rock on the Isle of Skye back in 2019.
    I'm just anchoring off Colonsay. Will let you know if it's a pan Hebridean thing.
    So you made it! Nice one. Just have to get back now.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    I wanted to watch either Life is Beautiful or Cinema Paradiso tonight, and you can’t buy them off Sky Store
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    Reuters.com - Conservative win in German state election boosts Laschet's chancellery hopes

    https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/east-german-state-votes-final-test-before-election-decide-who-replaces-merkel-2021-06-05/

    Chancellor Angela Merkel's conservatives won a resounding victory in a state election in eastern Germany on Sunday, in a boost to Armin Laschet, who hopes to succeed her in September's national election.

    An exit poll from the Saxony-Anhalt election for public broadcaster MDR had the Christian Democrats (CDU) on 36%, up more than 6 points on five years ago, and far ahead of the far-right Alternative for Germany (AfD), who were on 22.5%, slightly down on the previous election.

    Laschet, a centrist, was seen as having made an uncertain start to his election campaign and had faced calls to chart a more right-wing course to win back voters disenchanted by 16 years of compromises under Merkel.

    "We have won the election," Saxony-Anhalt state premier Reiner Haseloff said after the exit polls came out. "A great majority of our citizens have said we don't want to be associated with the AfD. And for that I'm grateful."

    He and other conservatives hailed the result as a tailwind for them ahead of the federal election.

    "This will give us a boost for Berlin," national conservative caucus leader Ralph Brinkhaus said. "It is a victory for Armin Laschet."

    The results were disappointing for most other parties, with the Greens, who are running a close second to the conservatives nationally, only in the single digits in the regional election.

    "Sure, we'd like to have done better," said their candidate for chancellor, Annalena Baerbock. The Greens are traditionally weaker in less urban eastern Germany, which is more reliant on the carbon-intensive industries that the Greens hope to phase out.

    Baerbock said the conservatives had benefited from voters rallying to the incumbent out of a desire to thwart the far-right, who had been as little as one point behind the conservatives in some opinion polls. . . .

    Carsten Nickel, an analyst at consultancy Teneo, said the state election result was a "much-needed boost for Laschet just as the Bundestag campaign is about to heat up".

    The pro-business Free Democrats were another winner, re-entering parliament after their vote share climbed back above the 5% threshold needed to win seats.

    The Social Democrats, junior partners in Merkel's ruling coalition, had a disappointing night, with their forecast vote share of 8% showing they were unable to capitalise on the popularity of Olaf Scholz, who is finance minister and their candidate for chancellor.

    Haseloff conceded that forming a state government could be tricky. His ally, state legislator Siegfried Borgwardt, said the party would not join forces with the AfD or the far-left Linke, but he would not commit to any other scenarios at this stage.
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 6,724

    malcolmg said:

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    kle4 said:

    Never heard of Laverbread.

    I seem to recall some TV programme years ago which did a 'Britain's favourite meals' thing, and they made sure all different curries got counted seperately, to make sure 'curry' or 'indian curry' did not win.

    It’s welsh, supposed to be nice. It crops up a few times in the welsh heats of great British menu
    The photo of it though actually looks like an oatcake.
    My god, it’s actually seaweed

    http://allrecipes.co.uk/recipe/34245/welsh-laverbread.aspx
    I see the knowledge of Wales on here is on a par with Scotland. Most never been beyond the M25 and would not recognise anything Welsh or Scottish even if it hit them on the kisser.
    I've been doing some reading recently and was surprised to learn that Welsh nationalism used to be far "worse" than it is now; there were arson attacks on English owned properties in the late 1970s and early 1980s
    Old joke:

    "Come home to a real fire.

    Buy a cottage in Wales"
    ..it was a not the nine oock.news video sketch
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,348

    TOPPING said:

    Good British food:

    Cheddar Cheese, Apple Crumble, Coronation Chicken, Mrs King’s Pork Pies, Roast Beef and Horseradish Sandwiches, Stilton, Cumberland Sausage, Marmalade, Dover Sole, Clotted Cream and Jam Scones, Haggis, Stout, Rhubarb and Custard, Chips, Chips, Chips, Bakewell Tart etc etc etc etc

    Obviously we cannot compete with French, Italian and Japanese which are all God Tier.

    It is still not possible to dine “serendipitously” outside of London, like it is in France.

    I presume this is just trying to get a reaction and you are not as stupid as you are pretending.
    Whoa Chris hold your horses. A great list.

    Walls Sausages an obvious omission. Plus potted shrimps, black pudding, grilled kidneys, and Domino's pizza.
    The “everything outside the M25 is shit” line is deeply tedious. And incorrect. You’re having lived in London for over 20 years.
    Indeed. There are some nice places around Guildford and St Albans nowadays.
    I find that if you read reviews and look about, there is good food all over the country. It may not be Michelin starred and run by a chef with a TV program - but who really wants that noise?
  • state_go_awaystate_go_away Posts: 5,813
    isam said:

    I wanted to watch either Life is Beautiful or Cinema Paradiso tonight, and you can’t buy them off Sky Store

    Youtube?
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 6,724

    I would sack Joe Root after that interview

    Pathetic

    What did he say?

    Oh seen it,

    "We didn't attempt to win it towards the back end of it. We felt that, in the grand scheme of things, winning the series was [more important than] potentially giving them a 1-0 lead going into the second Test. The series is very much alive."

    Can you imagine any Australian captain ever saying that?
    Doing it yes .. finding some excuse as to why yes..
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,254
    TOPPING said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Good British food:

    Cheddar Cheese, Apple Crumble, Coronation Chicken, Mrs King’s Pork Pies, Roast Beef and Horseradish Sandwiches, Stilton, Cumberland Sausage, Marmalade, Dover Sole, Clotted Cream and Jam Scones, Haggis, Stout, Rhubarb and Custard, Chips, Chips, Chips, Bakewell Tart etc etc etc etc

    Obviously we cannot compete with French, Italian and Japanese which are all God Tier.

    It is still not possible to dine “serendipitously” outside of London, like it is in France.

    Good list, but I'm not sure how much you've travelled outside of London recently?

    The food in Hampshire is very good to phenomenal in most places - it has to be, or they'd close - and that's also the case in Dorset, Somerset, Devon and Cornwall.

    I wonder if there's a strange symbiosis going on here with the smoking ban and change in attitudes to drink-driving here - good food is almost the only way rural hostelries can now survive.
    Local knowledge helps. It is fairly easy to eat badly and expensively in most of England, and well at more reasonable places nearby.

    A lot depends on what you consider good food. Nearly everything in the header is unhealthy, full of fat, refined carbs and hardly any vegetables. While pretty much all can be part of a healthy diet, in practice they are mostly part of a nutritional wasteland of a diet.
    Saturated fat, e.g. cheese & butter from grass-fed animals, is in reasonable amounts extremely good for health. It raises HDL cholesterol = a good thing. The French and Swiss have the highest sat. fat consumption in Europe, I think and statistically have good health.

    The UK and US govts and medical professions have given people the opposite advice for >40 years - the so-called 'food pyramid'. The UK has an apparent epidemic - one is tempted to say 'pandemic' - of type 2 diabetes.

    The Anglosphere, with semi-junk food diets, has appalling overweight and obesity figures. Western Europe (i.e. other than the UK) and the Far East do quite well.
    Yes, and the Dutch have a traditional diet that on the face of it is full of saturated fat and carbs. They make up for it by doing a lot of cycling so are amongst the slimmest of Europeans.
    So it doesn't matter what you eat as long as you exercise is what you're saying?
    I'm not sure it's just "exercise". I have travelled to Germany and Eastern Europe and despite the traditional diet there are a lot fewer fatties. They don't eat as much Ultra-processed food and seem to use public transport more, which leads to walking a fair bit more. Before you get onto "exercise".
  • state_go_awaystate_go_away Posts: 5,813
    edited June 2021

    malcolmg said:

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    kle4 said:

    Never heard of Laverbread.

    I seem to recall some TV programme years ago which did a 'Britain's favourite meals' thing, and they made sure all different curries got counted seperately, to make sure 'curry' or 'indian curry' did not win.

    It’s welsh, supposed to be nice. It crops up a few times in the welsh heats of great British menu
    The photo of it though actually looks like an oatcake.
    My god, it’s actually seaweed

    http://allrecipes.co.uk/recipe/34245/welsh-laverbread.aspx
    I see the knowledge of Wales on here is on a par with Scotland. Most never been beyond the M25 and would not recognise anything Welsh or Scottish even if it hit them on the kisser.
    I've been doing some reading recently and was surprised to learn that Welsh nationalism used to be far "worse" than it is now; there were arson attacks on English owned properties in the late 1970s and early 1980s, including some (largely failed) IEDs on water pipes and power lines, and a couple of hunger strikes.

    Thankfully, that's faded into the distance now. It shows that such movements can evolve both ways.
    I remember the torching of holiday homes by Welsh terrorists in the mid 70s myself when I was a child in England. Quite shocking. It also gave a deeper meaning to the NCB coal adverts on TV - "...come home to a real fire..."
    The Sons of Glyndwr were, by any standards, a pretty low grade revolutionary moment. Barn fire in Builth Wells momentum.
    They would be deemed sexist today as well . Despicable that they did not allow women to be holiday home arsonists as well
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,676

    I would sack Joe Root after that interview

    Pathetic

    What did he say?

    Oh seen it,

    "We didn't attempt to win it towards the back end of it. We felt that, in the grand scheme of things, winning the series was [more important than] potentially giving them a 1-0 lead going into the second Test. The series is very much alive."

    Can you imagine any Australian captain ever saying that?
    He said 2 days ago

    "We are going to be positive we want to try to win all 7"

    Apparently he meant 6!!
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,706
    TOPPING said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Good British food:

    Cheddar Cheese, Apple Crumble, Coronation Chicken, Mrs King’s Pork Pies, Roast Beef and Horseradish Sandwiches, Stilton, Cumberland Sausage, Marmalade, Dover Sole, Clotted Cream and Jam Scones, Haggis, Stout, Rhubarb and Custard, Chips, Chips, Chips, Bakewell Tart etc etc etc etc

    Obviously we cannot compete with French, Italian and Japanese which are all God Tier.

    It is still not possible to dine “serendipitously” outside of London, like it is in France.

    Good list, but I'm not sure how much you've travelled outside of London recently?

    The food in Hampshire is very good to phenomenal in most places - it has to be, or they'd close - and that's also the case in Dorset, Somerset, Devon and Cornwall.

    I wonder if there's a strange symbiosis going on here with the smoking ban and change in attitudes to drink-driving here - good food is almost the only way rural hostelries can now survive.
    Local knowledge helps. It is fairly easy to eat badly and expensively in most of England, and well at more reasonable places nearby.

    A lot depends on what you consider good food. Nearly everything in the header is unhealthy, full of fat, refined carbs and hardly any vegetables. While pretty much all can be part of a healthy diet, in practice they are mostly part of a nutritional wasteland of a diet.
    Saturated fat, e.g. cheese & butter from grass-fed animals, is in reasonable amounts extremely good for health. It raises HDL cholesterol = a good thing. The French and Swiss have the highest sat. fat consumption in Europe, I think and statistically have good health.

    The UK and US govts and medical professions have given people the opposite advice for >40 years - the so-called 'food pyramid'. The UK has an apparent epidemic - one is tempted to say 'pandemic' - of type 2 diabetes.

    The Anglosphere, with semi-junk food diets, has appalling overweight and obesity figures. Western Europe (i.e. other than the UK) and the Far East do quite well.
    Yes, and the Dutch have a traditional diet that on the face of it is full of saturated fat and carbs. They make up for it by doing a lot of cycling so are amongst the slimmest of Europeans.
    So it doesn't matter what you eat as long as you exercise is what you're saying?
    It certainly makes a great difference to weight.

    The calorie intake of the average Briton is lower than in the Sixties, yet we are as a nation much fatter. The exercise of daily life is the big difference.

    The thin people that you see with junk food are the Deliveroo cyclists...

  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,254
    Foxy said:

    TOPPING said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Good British food:

    Cheddar Cheese, Apple Crumble, Coronation Chicken, Mrs King’s Pork Pies, Roast Beef and Horseradish Sandwiches, Stilton, Cumberland Sausage, Marmalade, Dover Sole, Clotted Cream and Jam Scones, Haggis, Stout, Rhubarb and Custard, Chips, Chips, Chips, Bakewell Tart etc etc etc etc

    Obviously we cannot compete with French, Italian and Japanese which are all God Tier.

    It is still not possible to dine “serendipitously” outside of London, like it is in France.

    Good list, but I'm not sure how much you've travelled outside of London recently?

    The food in Hampshire is very good to phenomenal in most places - it has to be, or they'd close - and that's also the case in Dorset, Somerset, Devon and Cornwall.

    I wonder if there's a strange symbiosis going on here with the smoking ban and change in attitudes to drink-driving here - good food is almost the only way rural hostelries can now survive.
    Local knowledge helps. It is fairly easy to eat badly and expensively in most of England, and well at more reasonable places nearby.

    A lot depends on what you consider good food. Nearly everything in the header is unhealthy, full of fat, refined carbs and hardly any vegetables. While pretty much all can be part of a healthy diet, in practice they are mostly part of a nutritional wasteland of a diet.
    Saturated fat, e.g. cheese & butter from grass-fed animals, is in reasonable amounts extremely good for health. It raises HDL cholesterol = a good thing. The French and Swiss have the highest sat. fat consumption in Europe, I think and statistically have good health.

    The UK and US govts and medical professions have given people the opposite advice for >40 years - the so-called 'food pyramid'. The UK has an apparent epidemic - one is tempted to say 'pandemic' - of type 2 diabetes.

    The Anglosphere, with semi-junk food diets, has appalling overweight and obesity figures. Western Europe (i.e. other than the UK) and the Far East do quite well.
    Yes, and the Dutch have a traditional diet that on the face of it is full of saturated fat and carbs. They make up for it by doing a lot of cycling so are amongst the slimmest of Europeans.
    So it doesn't matter what you eat as long as you exercise is what you're saying?
    It certainly makes a great difference to weight.

    The calorie intake of the average Briton is lower than in the Sixties, yet we are as a nation much fatter. The exercise of daily life is the big difference.

    The thin people that you see with junk food are the Deliveroo cyclists...

    The other thing is presumably central heating. We no longer need to keep warm in the winter.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 22,827

    TOPPING said:

    Good British food:

    Cheddar Cheese, Apple Crumble, Coronation Chicken, Mrs King’s Pork Pies, Roast Beef and Horseradish Sandwiches, Stilton, Cumberland Sausage, Marmalade, Dover Sole, Clotted Cream and Jam Scones, Haggis, Stout, Rhubarb and Custard, Chips, Chips, Chips, Bakewell Tart etc etc etc etc

    Obviously we cannot compete with French, Italian and Japanese which are all God Tier.

    It is still not possible to dine “serendipitously” outside of London, like it is in France.

    I presume this is just trying to get a reaction and you are not as stupid as you are pretending.
    Whoa Chris hold your horses. A great list.

    Walls Sausages an obvious omission. Plus potted shrimps, black pudding, grilled kidneys, and Domino's pizza.
    The “everything outside the M25 is shit” line is deeply tedious. And incorrect. You’re having lived in London for over 20 years.
    Indeed. There are some nice places around Guildford and St Albans nowadays.
    I find that if you read reviews and look about, there is good food all over the country. It may not be Michelin starred and run by a chef with a TV program - but who really wants that noise?
    It was a joke, of course there are great places around the country and I definitely prefer normal but quality to Michelin star celebrity.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,200
    Trump's trousers at the centre of a growing story. Why would he innovate like this? -

    https://twitter.com/CamJunior1972/status/1401335287582801920?s=20
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,706

    TOPPING said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Good British food:

    Cheddar Cheese, Apple Crumble, Coronation Chicken, Mrs King’s Pork Pies, Roast Beef and Horseradish Sandwiches, Stilton, Cumberland Sausage, Marmalade, Dover Sole, Clotted Cream and Jam Scones, Haggis, Stout, Rhubarb and Custard, Chips, Chips, Chips, Bakewell Tart etc etc etc etc

    Obviously we cannot compete with French, Italian and Japanese which are all God Tier.

    It is still not possible to dine “serendipitously” outside of London, like it is in France.

    Good list, but I'm not sure how much you've travelled outside of London recently?

    The food in Hampshire is very good to phenomenal in most places - it has to be, or they'd close - and that's also the case in Dorset, Somerset, Devon and Cornwall.

    I wonder if there's a strange symbiosis going on here with the smoking ban and change in attitudes to drink-driving here - good food is almost the only way rural hostelries can now survive.
    Local knowledge helps. It is fairly easy to eat badly and expensively in most of England, and well at more reasonable places nearby.

    A lot depends on what you consider good food. Nearly everything in the header is unhealthy, full of fat, refined carbs and hardly any vegetables. While pretty much all can be part of a healthy diet, in practice they are mostly part of a nutritional wasteland of a diet.
    Saturated fat, e.g. cheese & butter from grass-fed animals, is in reasonable amounts extremely good for health. It raises HDL cholesterol = a good thing. The French and Swiss have the highest sat. fat consumption in Europe, I think and statistically have good health.

    The UK and US govts and medical professions have given people the opposite advice for >40 years - the so-called 'food pyramid'. The UK has an apparent epidemic - one is tempted to say 'pandemic' - of type 2 diabetes.

    The Anglosphere, with semi-junk food diets, has appalling overweight and obesity figures. Western Europe (i.e. other than the UK) and the Far East do quite well.
    Yes, and the Dutch have a traditional diet that on the face of it is full of saturated fat and carbs. They make up for it by doing a lot of cycling so are amongst the slimmest of Europeans.
    So it doesn't matter what you eat as long as you exercise is what you're saying?
    I'm not sure it's just "exercise". I have travelled to Germany and Eastern Europe and despite the traditional diet there are a lot fewer fatties. They don't eat as much Ultra-processed food and seem to use public transport more, which leads to walking a fair bit more. Before you get onto "exercise".
    Hungary and Lithuania are not far behind us (and Malta ahead) in the world table of obesity. Denmark is the best in Europe, with Italy and the Netherlands not far behind. Polynesia is a nightmare.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_obesity_rate
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,706

    Foxy said:

    TOPPING said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Good British food:

    Cheddar Cheese, Apple Crumble, Coronation Chicken, Mrs King’s Pork Pies, Roast Beef and Horseradish Sandwiches, Stilton, Cumberland Sausage, Marmalade, Dover Sole, Clotted Cream and Jam Scones, Haggis, Stout, Rhubarb and Custard, Chips, Chips, Chips, Bakewell Tart etc etc etc etc

    Obviously we cannot compete with French, Italian and Japanese which are all God Tier.

    It is still not possible to dine “serendipitously” outside of London, like it is in France.

    Good list, but I'm not sure how much you've travelled outside of London recently?

    The food in Hampshire is very good to phenomenal in most places - it has to be, or they'd close - and that's also the case in Dorset, Somerset, Devon and Cornwall.

    I wonder if there's a strange symbiosis going on here with the smoking ban and change in attitudes to drink-driving here - good food is almost the only way rural hostelries can now survive.
    Local knowledge helps. It is fairly easy to eat badly and expensively in most of England, and well at more reasonable places nearby.

    A lot depends on what you consider good food. Nearly everything in the header is unhealthy, full of fat, refined carbs and hardly any vegetables. While pretty much all can be part of a healthy diet, in practice they are mostly part of a nutritional wasteland of a diet.
    Saturated fat, e.g. cheese & butter from grass-fed animals, is in reasonable amounts extremely good for health. It raises HDL cholesterol = a good thing. The French and Swiss have the highest sat. fat consumption in Europe, I think and statistically have good health.

    The UK and US govts and medical professions have given people the opposite advice for >40 years - the so-called 'food pyramid'. The UK has an apparent epidemic - one is tempted to say 'pandemic' - of type 2 diabetes.

    The Anglosphere, with semi-junk food diets, has appalling overweight and obesity figures. Western Europe (i.e. other than the UK) and the Far East do quite well.
    Yes, and the Dutch have a traditional diet that on the face of it is full of saturated fat and carbs. They make up for it by doing a lot of cycling so are amongst the slimmest of Europeans.
    So it doesn't matter what you eat as long as you exercise is what you're saying?
    It certainly makes a great difference to weight.

    The calorie intake of the average Briton is lower than in the Sixties, yet we are as a nation much fatter. The exercise of daily life is the big difference.

    The thin people that you see with junk food are the Deliveroo cyclists...

    The other thing is presumably central heating. We no longer need to keep warm in the winter.
    Yes, there may be something there.
  • AnExileinD4AnExileinD4 Posts: 337
    edited June 2021

    Foxy said:

    TOPPING said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Good British food:

    Cheddar Cheese, Apple Crumble, Coronation Chicken, Mrs King’s Pork Pies, Roast Beef and Horseradish Sandwiches, Stilton, Cumberland Sausage, Marmalade, Dover Sole, Clotted Cream and Jam Scones, Haggis, Stout, Rhubarb and Custard, Chips, Chips, Chips, Bakewell Tart etc etc etc etc

    Obviously we cannot compete with French, Italian and Japanese which are all God Tier.

    It is still not possible to dine “serendipitously” outside of London, like it is in France.

    Good list, but I'm not sure how much you've travelled outside of London recently?

    The food in Hampshire is very good to phenomenal in most places - it has to be, or they'd close - and that's also the case in Dorset, Somerset, Devon and Cornwall.

    I wonder if there's a strange symbiosis going on here with the smoking ban and change in attitudes to drink-driving here - good food is almost the only way rural hostelries can now survive.
    Local knowledge helps. It is fairly easy to eat badly and expensively in most of England, and well at more reasonable places nearby.

    A lot depends on what you consider good food. Nearly everything in the header is unhealthy, full of fat, refined carbs and hardly any vegetables. While pretty much all can be part of a healthy diet, in practice they are mostly part of a nutritional wasteland of a diet.
    Saturated fat, e.g. cheese & butter from grass-fed animals, is in reasonable amounts extremely good for health. It raises HDL cholesterol = a good thing. The French and Swiss have the highest sat. fat consumption in Europe, I think and statistically have good health.

    The UK and US govts and medical professions have given people the opposite advice for >40 years - the so-called 'food pyramid'. The UK has an apparent epidemic - one is tempted to say 'pandemic' - of type 2 diabetes.

    The Anglosphere, with semi-junk food diets, has appalling overweight and obesity figures. Western Europe (i.e. other than the UK) and the Far East do quite well.
    Yes, and the Dutch have a traditional diet that on the face of it is full of saturated fat and carbs. They make up for it by doing a lot of cycling so are amongst the slimmest of Europeans.
    So it doesn't matter what you eat as long as you exercise is what you're saying?
    It certainly makes a great difference to weight.

    The calorie intake of the average Briton is lower than in the Sixties, yet we are as a nation much fatter. The exercise of daily life is the big difference.

    The thin people that you see with junk food are the Deliveroo cyclists...

    The other thing is presumably central heating. We no longer need to keep warm in the winter.
    What you need is a house where you get ice on the inside of windows during winter......
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 22,827
    kinabalu said:

    Trump's trousers at the centre of a growing story. Why would he innovate like this? -

    https://twitter.com/CamJunior1972/status/1401335287582801920?s=20

    A secret code to warn us the aliens have taken over?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,706
    edited June 2021

    Foxy said:

    TOPPING said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Good British food:

    Cheddar Cheese, Apple Crumble, Coronation Chicken, Mrs King’s Pork Pies, Roast Beef and Horseradish Sandwiches, Stilton, Cumberland Sausage, Marmalade, Dover Sole, Clotted Cream and Jam Scones, Haggis, Stout, Rhubarb and Custard, Chips, Chips, Chips, Bakewell Tart etc etc etc etc

    Obviously we cannot compete with French, Italian and Japanese which are all God Tier.

    It is still not possible to dine “serendipitously” outside of London, like it is in France.

    Good list, but I'm not sure how much you've travelled outside of London recently?

    The food in Hampshire is very good to phenomenal in most places - it has to be, or they'd close - and that's also the case in Dorset, Somerset, Devon and Cornwall.

    I wonder if there's a strange symbiosis going on here with the smoking ban and change in attitudes to drink-driving here - good food is almost the only way rural hostelries can now survive.
    Local knowledge helps. It is fairly easy to eat badly and expensively in most of England, and well at more reasonable places nearby.

    A lot depends on what you consider good food. Nearly everything in the header is unhealthy, full of fat, refined carbs and hardly any vegetables. While pretty much all can be part of a healthy diet, in practice they are mostly part of a nutritional wasteland of a diet.
    Saturated fat, e.g. cheese & butter from grass-fed animals, is in reasonable amounts extremely good for health. It raises HDL cholesterol = a good thing. The French and Swiss have the highest sat. fat consumption in Europe, I think and statistically have good health.

    The UK and US govts and medical professions have given people the opposite advice for >40 years - the so-called 'food pyramid'. The UK has an apparent epidemic - one is tempted to say 'pandemic' - of type 2 diabetes.

    The Anglosphere, with semi-junk food diets, has appalling overweight and obesity figures. Western Europe (i.e. other than the UK) and the Far East do quite well.
    Yes, and the Dutch have a traditional diet that on the face of it is full of saturated fat and carbs. They make up for it by doing a lot of cycling so are amongst the slimmest of Europeans.
    So it doesn't matter what you eat as long as you exercise is what you're saying?
    It certainly makes a great difference to weight.

    The calorie intake of the average Briton is lower than in the Sixties, yet we are as a nation much fatter. The exercise of daily life is the big difference.

    The thin people that you see with junk food are the Deliveroo cyclists...

    The other thing is presumably central heating. We no longer need to keep warm in the winter.
    What you need is a house where you get ice on the inside of windows during winter......
    I lived in a London flat as a student where you could see your breath in the morning in winter. Mind you it was cheap and handy for the hospital.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,689
    Foxy said:

    TOPPING said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Good British food:

    Cheddar Cheese, Apple Crumble, Coronation Chicken, Mrs King’s Pork Pies, Roast Beef and Horseradish Sandwiches, Stilton, Cumberland Sausage, Marmalade, Dover Sole, Clotted Cream and Jam Scones, Haggis, Stout, Rhubarb and Custard, Chips, Chips, Chips, Bakewell Tart etc etc etc etc

    Obviously we cannot compete with French, Italian and Japanese which are all God Tier.

    It is still not possible to dine “serendipitously” outside of London, like it is in France.

    Good list, but I'm not sure how much you've travelled outside of London recently?

    The food in Hampshire is very good to phenomenal in most places - it has to be, or they'd close - and that's also the case in Dorset, Somerset, Devon and Cornwall.

    I wonder if there's a strange symbiosis going on here with the smoking ban and change in attitudes to drink-driving here - good food is almost the only way rural hostelries can now survive.
    Local knowledge helps. It is fairly easy to eat badly and expensively in most of England, and well at more reasonable places nearby.

    A lot depends on what you consider good food. Nearly everything in the header is unhealthy, full of fat, refined carbs and hardly any vegetables. While pretty much all can be part of a healthy diet, in practice they are mostly part of a nutritional wasteland of a diet.
    Saturated fat, e.g. cheese & butter from grass-fed animals, is in reasonable amounts extremely good for health. It raises HDL cholesterol = a good thing. The French and Swiss have the highest sat. fat consumption in Europe, I think and statistically have good health.

    The UK and US govts and medical professions have given people the opposite advice for >40 years - the so-called 'food pyramid'. The UK has an apparent epidemic - one is tempted to say 'pandemic' - of type 2 diabetes.

    The Anglosphere, with semi-junk food diets, has appalling overweight and obesity figures. Western Europe (i.e. other than the UK) and the Far East do quite well.
    Yes, and the Dutch have a traditional diet that on the face of it is full of saturated fat and carbs. They make up for it by doing a lot of cycling so are amongst the slimmest of Europeans.
    So it doesn't matter what you eat as long as you exercise is what you're saying?
    I'm not sure it's just "exercise". I have travelled to Germany and Eastern Europe and despite the traditional diet there are a lot fewer fatties. They don't eat as much Ultra-processed food and seem to use public transport more, which leads to walking a fair bit more. Before you get onto "exercise".
    Hungary and Lithuania are not far behind us (and Malta ahead) in the world table of obesity. Denmark is the best in Europe, with Italy and the Netherlands not far behind. Polynesia is a nightmare.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_obesity_rate
    A national keep fit campaign last summer might have saved a few lives in the second wave. “Work out to help out”
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,418
    edited June 2021
    kinabalu said:

    Trump's trousers at the centre of a growing story. Why would he innovate like this? -

    https://twitter.com/CamJunior1972/status/1401335287582801920?s=20

    Lots of options.

    - He might not have. Plausible the video is faked for a prank.
    - Loyalty test. Whether to deny that they were worn backwards, or to start doing likewise, uncertain at this point.
    - Distraction and/or desperate attempt to gain attention.
    - He's actually lost his marbles in basic day-to-day functional ways, but no-one in his inner circle can correct such a mistake, because he's unwilling to admit to it, or they didn't get to be in the inner circle by pointing out embarrassing things.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,254

    Foxy said:

    TOPPING said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Good British food:

    Cheddar Cheese, Apple Crumble, Coronation Chicken, Mrs King’s Pork Pies, Roast Beef and Horseradish Sandwiches, Stilton, Cumberland Sausage, Marmalade, Dover Sole, Clotted Cream and Jam Scones, Haggis, Stout, Rhubarb and Custard, Chips, Chips, Chips, Bakewell Tart etc etc etc etc

    Obviously we cannot compete with French, Italian and Japanese which are all God Tier.

    It is still not possible to dine “serendipitously” outside of London, like it is in France.

    Good list, but I'm not sure how much you've travelled outside of London recently?

    The food in Hampshire is very good to phenomenal in most places - it has to be, or they'd close - and that's also the case in Dorset, Somerset, Devon and Cornwall.

    I wonder if there's a strange symbiosis going on here with the smoking ban and change in attitudes to drink-driving here - good food is almost the only way rural hostelries can now survive.
    Local knowledge helps. It is fairly easy to eat badly and expensively in most of England, and well at more reasonable places nearby.

    A lot depends on what you consider good food. Nearly everything in the header is unhealthy, full of fat, refined carbs and hardly any vegetables. While pretty much all can be part of a healthy diet, in practice they are mostly part of a nutritional wasteland of a diet.
    Saturated fat, e.g. cheese & butter from grass-fed animals, is in reasonable amounts extremely good for health. It raises HDL cholesterol = a good thing. The French and Swiss have the highest sat. fat consumption in Europe, I think and statistically have good health.

    The UK and US govts and medical professions have given people the opposite advice for >40 years - the so-called 'food pyramid'. The UK has an apparent epidemic - one is tempted to say 'pandemic' - of type 2 diabetes.

    The Anglosphere, with semi-junk food diets, has appalling overweight and obesity figures. Western Europe (i.e. other than the UK) and the Far East do quite well.
    Yes, and the Dutch have a traditional diet that on the face of it is full of saturated fat and carbs. They make up for it by doing a lot of cycling so are amongst the slimmest of Europeans.
    So it doesn't matter what you eat as long as you exercise is what you're saying?
    It certainly makes a great difference to weight.

    The calorie intake of the average Briton is lower than in the Sixties, yet we are as a nation much fatter. The exercise of daily life is the big difference.

    The thin people that you see with junk food are the Deliveroo cyclists...

    The other thing is presumably central heating. We no longer need to keep warm in the winter.
    What you need is a house where you get ice on the inside of windows during winter......
    Yes I had one of those as a student. In Newcastle. Don't think I'm hard enough any more. We did have a real fire in the living room though, with a back boiler, so loads of hot baths.
  • FishingFishing Posts: 5,052

    Foxy said:

    TOPPING said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Good British food:

    Cheddar Cheese, Apple Crumble, Coronation Chicken, Mrs King’s Pork Pies, Roast Beef and Horseradish Sandwiches, Stilton, Cumberland Sausage, Marmalade, Dover Sole, Clotted Cream and Jam Scones, Haggis, Stout, Rhubarb and Custard, Chips, Chips, Chips, Bakewell Tart etc etc etc etc

    Obviously we cannot compete with French, Italian and Japanese which are all God Tier.

    It is still not possible to dine “serendipitously” outside of London, like it is in France.

    Good list, but I'm not sure how much you've travelled outside of London recently?

    The food in Hampshire is very good to phenomenal in most places - it has to be, or they'd close - and that's also the case in Dorset, Somerset, Devon and Cornwall.

    I wonder if there's a strange symbiosis going on here with the smoking ban and change in attitudes to drink-driving here - good food is almost the only way rural hostelries can now survive.
    Local knowledge helps. It is fairly easy to eat badly and expensively in most of England, and well at more reasonable places nearby.

    A lot depends on what you consider good food. Nearly everything in the header is unhealthy, full of fat, refined carbs and hardly any vegetables. While pretty much all can be part of a healthy diet, in practice they are mostly part of a nutritional wasteland of a diet.
    Saturated fat, e.g. cheese & butter from grass-fed animals, is in reasonable amounts extremely good for health. It raises HDL cholesterol = a good thing. The French and Swiss have the highest sat. fat consumption in Europe, I think and statistically have good health.

    The UK and US govts and medical professions have given people the opposite advice for >40 years - the so-called 'food pyramid'. The UK has an apparent epidemic - one is tempted to say 'pandemic' - of type 2 diabetes.

    The Anglosphere, with semi-junk food diets, has appalling overweight and obesity figures. Western Europe (i.e. other than the UK) and the Far East do quite well.
    Yes, and the Dutch have a traditional diet that on the face of it is full of saturated fat and carbs. They make up for it by doing a lot of cycling so are amongst the slimmest of Europeans.
    So it doesn't matter what you eat as long as you exercise is what you're saying?
    It certainly makes a great difference to weight.

    The calorie intake of the average Briton is lower than in the Sixties, yet we are as a nation much fatter. The exercise of daily life is the big difference.

    The thin people that you see with junk food are the Deliveroo cyclists...

    The other thing is presumably central heating. We no longer need to keep warm in the winter.
    What you need is a house where you get ice on the inside of windows during winter......
    Yes I had one of those as a student. In Newcastle. Don't think I'm hard enough any more. We did have a real fire in the living room though, with a back boiler, so loads of hot baths.
    My first year student room had the opposite problem. It was so heated that you couldn't wear a light pullover without it being drenched in sweat quite quickly. I always felt drowsy in it. One of my friends nicknamed it "Hawaii".
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,595
    Ooh, trivia! Which is the only republican state in the world without an official capital?
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,254
    Foxy said:

    TOPPING said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Good British food:

    Cheddar Cheese, Apple Crumble, Coronation Chicken, Mrs King’s Pork Pies, Roast Beef and Horseradish Sandwiches, Stilton, Cumberland Sausage, Marmalade, Dover Sole, Clotted Cream and Jam Scones, Haggis, Stout, Rhubarb and Custard, Chips, Chips, Chips, Bakewell Tart etc etc etc etc

    Obviously we cannot compete with French, Italian and Japanese which are all God Tier.

    It is still not possible to dine “serendipitously” outside of London, like it is in France.

    Good list, but I'm not sure how much you've travelled outside of London recently?

    The food in Hampshire is very good to phenomenal in most places - it has to be, or they'd close - and that's also the case in Dorset, Somerset, Devon and Cornwall.

    I wonder if there's a strange symbiosis going on here with the smoking ban and change in attitudes to drink-driving here - good food is almost the only way rural hostelries can now survive.
    Local knowledge helps. It is fairly easy to eat badly and expensively in most of England, and well at more reasonable places nearby.

    A lot depends on what you consider good food. Nearly everything in the header is unhealthy, full of fat, refined carbs and hardly any vegetables. While pretty much all can be part of a healthy diet, in practice they are mostly part of a nutritional wasteland of a diet.
    Saturated fat, e.g. cheese & butter from grass-fed animals, is in reasonable amounts extremely good for health. It raises HDL cholesterol = a good thing. The French and Swiss have the highest sat. fat consumption in Europe, I think and statistically have good health.

    The UK and US govts and medical professions have given people the opposite advice for >40 years - the so-called 'food pyramid'. The UK has an apparent epidemic - one is tempted to say 'pandemic' - of type 2 diabetes.

    The Anglosphere, with semi-junk food diets, has appalling overweight and obesity figures. Western Europe (i.e. other than the UK) and the Far East do quite well.
    Yes, and the Dutch have a traditional diet that on the face of it is full of saturated fat and carbs. They make up for it by doing a lot of cycling so are amongst the slimmest of Europeans.
    So it doesn't matter what you eat as long as you exercise is what you're saying?
    I'm not sure it's just "exercise". I have travelled to Germany and Eastern Europe and despite the traditional diet there are a lot fewer fatties. They don't eat as much Ultra-processed food and seem to use public transport more, which leads to walking a fair bit more. Before you get onto "exercise".
    Hungary and Lithuania are not far behind us (and Malta ahead) in the world table of obesity. Denmark is the best in Europe, with Italy and the Netherlands not far behind. Polynesia is a nightmare.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_obesity_rate
    Scandinavians still eat a lot of herring too, best dietary source of vit D (and presumably how us Northern Europeans managed to get by without getting rickets and having totally compromised immune systens).
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,475
    TOPPING said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Good British food:

    Cheddar Cheese, Apple Crumble, Coronation Chicken, Mrs King’s Pork Pies, Roast Beef and Horseradish Sandwiches, Stilton, Cumberland Sausage, Marmalade, Dover Sole, Clotted Cream and Jam Scones, Haggis, Stout, Rhubarb and Custard, Chips, Chips, Chips, Bakewell Tart etc etc etc etc

    Obviously we cannot compete with French, Italian and Japanese which are all God Tier.

    It is still not possible to dine “serendipitously” outside of London, like it is in France.

    Good list, but I'm not sure how much you've travelled outside of London recently?

    The food in Hampshire is very good to phenomenal in most places - it has to be, or they'd close - and that's also the case in Dorset, Somerset, Devon and Cornwall.

    I wonder if there's a strange symbiosis going on here with the smoking ban and change in attitudes to drink-driving here - good food is almost the only way rural hostelries can now survive.
    Local knowledge helps. It is fairly easy to eat badly and expensively in most of England, and well at more reasonable places nearby.

    A lot depends on what you consider good food. Nearly everything in the header is unhealthy, full of fat, refined carbs and hardly any vegetables. While pretty much all can be part of a healthy diet, in practice they are mostly part of a nutritional wasteland of a diet.
    Saturated fat, e.g. cheese & butter from grass-fed animals, is in reasonable amounts extremely good for health. It raises HDL cholesterol = a good thing. The French and Swiss have the highest sat. fat consumption in Europe, I think and statistically have good health.

    The UK and US govts and medical professions have given people the opposite advice for >40 years - the so-called 'food pyramid'. The UK has an apparent epidemic - one is tempted to say 'pandemic' - of type 2 diabetes.

    The Anglosphere, with semi-junk food diets, has appalling overweight and obesity figures. Western Europe (i.e. other than the UK) and the Far East do quite well.
    Yes, and the Dutch have a traditional diet that on the face of it is full of saturated fat and carbs. They make up for it by doing a lot of cycling so are amongst the slimmest of Europeans.
    So it doesn't matter what you eat as long as you exercise is what you're saying?
    Saturated fat is not unhealthy. It's unfairly maligned, and it was done quite cynically by the American edible oil industry.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,706
    kinabalu said:

    Trump's trousers at the centre of a growing story. Why would he innovate like this? -

    https://twitter.com/CamJunior1972/status/1401335287582801920?s=20

    No fly? And taut as that? They do look like pull ups. Very odd tailoring.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,595
    Fishing said:

    Foxy said:

    TOPPING said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Good British food:

    Cheddar Cheese, Apple Crumble, Coronation Chicken, Mrs King’s Pork Pies, Roast Beef and Horseradish Sandwiches, Stilton, Cumberland Sausage, Marmalade, Dover Sole, Clotted Cream and Jam Scones, Haggis, Stout, Rhubarb and Custard, Chips, Chips, Chips, Bakewell Tart etc etc etc etc

    Obviously we cannot compete with French, Italian and Japanese which are all God Tier.

    It is still not possible to dine “serendipitously” outside of London, like it is in France.

    Good list, but I'm not sure how much you've travelled outside of London recently?

    The food in Hampshire is very good to phenomenal in most places - it has to be, or they'd close - and that's also the case in Dorset, Somerset, Devon and Cornwall.

    I wonder if there's a strange symbiosis going on here with the smoking ban and change in attitudes to drink-driving here - good food is almost the only way rural hostelries can now survive.
    Local knowledge helps. It is fairly easy to eat badly and expensively in most of England, and well at more reasonable places nearby.

    A lot depends on what you consider good food. Nearly everything in the header is unhealthy, full of fat, refined carbs and hardly any vegetables. While pretty much all can be part of a healthy diet, in practice they are mostly part of a nutritional wasteland of a diet.
    Saturated fat, e.g. cheese & butter from grass-fed animals, is in reasonable amounts extremely good for health. It raises HDL cholesterol = a good thing. The French and Swiss have the highest sat. fat consumption in Europe, I think and statistically have good health.

    The UK and US govts and medical professions have given people the opposite advice for >40 years - the so-called 'food pyramid'. The UK has an apparent epidemic - one is tempted to say 'pandemic' - of type 2 diabetes.

    The Anglosphere, with semi-junk food diets, has appalling overweight and obesity figures. Western Europe (i.e. other than the UK) and the Far East do quite well.
    Yes, and the Dutch have a traditional diet that on the face of it is full of saturated fat and carbs. They make up for it by doing a lot of cycling so are amongst the slimmest of Europeans.
    So it doesn't matter what you eat as long as you exercise is what you're saying?
    It certainly makes a great difference to weight.

    The calorie intake of the average Briton is lower than in the Sixties, yet we are as a nation much fatter. The exercise of daily life is the big difference.

    The thin people that you see with junk food are the Deliveroo cyclists...

    The other thing is presumably central heating. We no longer need to keep warm in the winter.
    What you need is a house where you get ice on the inside of windows during winter......
    Yes I had one of those as a student. In Newcastle. Don't think I'm hard enough any more. We did have a real fire in the living room though, with a back boiler, so loads of hot baths.
    My first year student room had the opposite problem. It was so heated that you couldn't wear a light pullover without it being drenched in sweat quite quickly. I always felt drowsy in it. One of my friends nicknamed it "Hawaii".
    My wife will buy it, unseen....
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,865
    edited June 2021
    Had a great afternoon with some friends about 20 of us crammed into a tiny garden and dining room. One subject that came up was Japan (with a few of us working for various Japanese companies this isn't out of the ordinary) and their constant fight with deflation. Something that we're going to struggle with in 10-15 years as the population starts to shrink. One of the best ideas was to give couples ¥5m to have babies and ¥2m each to get married. Helicopter money to help drive population growth rather than endless money printing to fight deflation in a country where there are fewer people spending money every year. I think we're all going to need to look at odd schemes like this in the next decade or so.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,486
    IshmaelZ said:

    Omnium said:

    isam said:

    Congratulations to the happy couple.

    BABY NEWS: Harry and Meghan’s baby girl has arrived. She’s called Lilibet “Lili” Diana Mountbatten-Windsor.

    https://twitter.com/chrisshipitv/status/1401569722336940032

    Congratulations, and that name is just trying a bit too hard.

    It'd be like me declaring a fatwa and launching a intifada against this site and calling my next son Mike Robert TSE Royale.
    Short price for the first criticism of choice of name!
    Yeah, but I mean COME ON.

    "Lilibet" Diana?

    I wish the kid all the best, but it's nauseating.
    Absolutely, because no parent has ever named their sprog after family members.

    I mean the Queen has the same name as her mother.
    Nice idea from them, but I don’t like nicknames as the official name for kids really. Elizabeth known as ‘Lilibet’ would have been nicer, but then again maybe that’s just me being old fashioned.



    Who cares what the Queen is called in private? Who cares what anyone is called in private? The determination to peek inside one family’s life is completely bizarre.
    I've always felt that M'lud with a doff of the cap was acceptable to the 'My Lord' I usually would require.

    Harry really needs to stop this crap or do a DNA test.
    The obsession with one family you have never met is beyond bizarre.
    For me the benchmark for bizarre is not only running a sockpuppet on pb, but actually having conversations with it. To each his own.
    Weird post.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,202

    Ooh, trivia! Which is the only republican state in the world without an official capital?

    Vatican City? Unless the Vatican itself is the capital?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,202

    Ooh, trivia! Which is the only republican state in the world without an official capital?

    Micronesia? Tuvalu?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,595
    edited June 2021
    rcs1000 said:

    Ooh, trivia! Which is the only republican state in the world without an official capital?

    Vatican City? Unless the Vatican itself is the capital?
    Nope....

    EDIT: actually that might not be so clear cut. There is no differentiation so it acts as its own capital.

    The one I was referencing does have a de facto capital (as a definite part of the nation) but no official capital. Same ballpark as Vatican City, size wise....
  • pingping Posts: 3,805
    edited June 2021
    MaxPB said:

    Had a great afternoon with some friends about 20 of us crammed into a tiny garden and dining room. One subject that came up was Japan (with a few of us working for various Japanese companies this isn't out of the ordinary) and their constant fight with deflation. Something that we're going to struggle with in 10-15 years as the population starts to shrink. One of the best ideas was to give couples ¥5m to have babies and ¥2m each to get married. Helicopter money to help drive population growth rather than endless money printing to fight deflation in a country where there are fewer people spending money every year. I think we're all going to need to look at odd schemes like this in the next decade or so.

    For some reason the idiot tories waged a war on child benefit. Time for some new thinking?

    I’m not sure Boris subscribed to that little piece of Tory orthodoxy, anyway…
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,667
    edited June 2021
    Steak & kidney pudding, haggis, and black pudding all in the 'Crap tier'?

    Sometimes I despair of my compatrioits 😱
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,421
    edited June 2021

    Ooh, trivia! Which is the only republican state in the world without an official capital?

    South Africa?

    Edit - do you mean, ‘fully recognised, functioning state?’ As otherwise the Palestinian Territories presumably qualify.
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