Not sure telling people they are thick racists is going down well.
Southgate is just as much of an idiot today as he was in 1996 when he missed that penalty kick. He's made no attempt to understand it or modify his approach.
Saying, "(we) are ‘more determined than ever’ to take the knee" is a massive two-fingers up to those who don't like the politics of BLM, and he's effectively tarring them all as racists, so it's hardly surprising some fans boo even louder.
Yet like the other day the boos were drowned about by applause from the majority of fans.
Congratulations, and that name is just trying a bit too hard.
It'd be like me declaring a fatwa and launching a intifada against this site and calling my next son Mike Robert TSE Royale.
Short price for the first criticism of choice of name!
I'll be honest, Casino has only said precisely what I thought when I saw that name.
Whereas I couldnt care less if they called her Elsie, Jane, Annabella, Wyoming or whatever. Why do so many continually seek to be offended by what they do?
Not sure telling people they are thick racists is going down well.
Southgate is just as much of an idiot today as he was in 1996 when he missed that penalty kick. He's made no attempt to understand it or modify his approach.
Saying, "(we) are ‘more determined than ever’ to take the knee" is a massive two-fingers up to those who don't like the politics of BLM, and he's effectively tarring them all as racists, so it's hardly surprising some fans boo even louder.
No one has in the MSM, it’s just condemnation. Even the local news up here was full of comment from talking heads about how ignorant people are for booing.
Absolutely inexplicable to me. Are people impressed by that new ship or something? I'd love to meet some of these respondents and get a handle on what's going on in their heads. Make them comfortable on a couch and encourage them to tell me all about it. And I'd just listen.
Congratulations, and that name is just trying a bit too hard.
It'd be like me declaring a fatwa and launching a intifada against this site and calling my next son Mike Robert TSE Royale.
Short price for the first criticism of choice of name!
Yeah, but I mean COME ON.
"Lilibet" Diana?
I wish the kid all the best, but it's nauseating.
Absolutely, because no parent has ever named their sprog after family members.
I mean the Queen has the same name as her mother.
Nice idea from them, but I don’t like nicknames as the official name for kids really. Elizabeth known as ‘Lilibet’ would have been nicer, but then again maybe that’s just me being old fashioned.
Congratulations, and that name is just trying a bit too hard.
It'd be like me declaring a fatwa and launching a intifada against this site and calling my next son Mike Robert TSE Royale.
Short price for the first criticism of choice of name!
Yeah, but I mean COME ON.
"Lilibet" Diana?
I wish the kid all the best, but it's nauseating.
Absolutely, because no parent has ever named their sprog after family members.
I mean the Queen has the same name as her mother.
You don't use nicknames as given names. Your grandson should have the given names The Screaming even if the intention is for him to be known as Thcweamy Weamy, as you are.
“I’m seriously worried,” says Peter Metcalfe, “that people might actually prefer watching The Hundred to watching this. Maybe it’s a cunning marketing ploy.”
EG Diners all closed or converted to Starbucks or Greggs.
Thus is another part of my heritage torn away.
When I used to travel to Cornwall, I knew all the Little Chefs on the A303 and A30 from Barton Stacey to Loggans Moor.
Stopping at Victoria (Cornwall) at 8.30pm and knowing I could get an Olympic Breakfast or just a nice meal after a 4 and a half hour drive was one of the pleasures of that simpler time.
Congratulations, and that name is just trying a bit too hard.
It'd be like me declaring a fatwa and launching a intifada against this site and calling my next son Mike Robert TSE Royale.
Short price for the first criticism of choice of name!
Yeah, but I mean COME ON.
"Lilibet" Diana?
I wish the kid all the best, but it's nauseating.
Absolutely, because no parent has ever named their sprog after family members.
I mean the Queen has the same name as her mother.
You don't use nicknames as given names. Your grandson should have the given names The Screaming even if the intention is for him to be known as Thcweamy Weamy, as you are.
You're sounding like my parents, they've recently decided they would like to be great-grandparents.
I absolutely refuse the acknowledge the possibility that I could legally be a grandfather in five years. I'm not even middle aged yet.
Absolutely inexplicable to me. Are people impressed by that new ship or something? I'd love to meet some of these respondents and get a handle on what's going on in their heads. Make them comfortable on a couch and encourage them to tell me all about it. And I'd just listen.
Fairly straightforward.
Brexit backers: 80%+ will go Johnson ex-Remainers: 50% Starmer, 35% no view, 15% Johnson
Brexit has to fail or the economy tank (obviously closely related) to change those numbers much.
Congratulations, and that name is just trying a bit too hard.
It'd be like me declaring a fatwa and launching a intifada against this site and calling my next son Mike Robert TSE Royale.
Short price for the first criticism of choice of name!
Yeah, but I mean COME ON.
"Lilibet" Diana?
I wish the kid all the best, but it's nauseating.
Absolutely, because no parent has ever named their sprog after family members.
I mean the Queen has the same name as her mother.
You don't use nicknames as given names.
People do now. Makes as much sense as naming somebody something but then declaring they will be known by a nickname or diminutive from then on.
Except it doesn't. If you are named Elizabeth there is an almost infinite number of diminutives you can choose. Many of which go in and out of fashion. Buffy the best by far of course.
I'm amazed none of the female children to date included the name Diana. Heck, I'm surprised none of the male children did, though I'm not sure how (my niece is part named for me, but a female version exists).
This is one area where even if the name was 1% a troll (and I'm not that cynical), reacting to it would just be silly. There's no scenario where getting worked up over the name plays well.
Everyone loves a good sandwich. It is so satisfying, coherent, simple, yet fantastically open to variation
Except the Nordics who failed to grasp the single most important element...
Or the Yanks, who don’t use butter.
Eh?
Maybe it's a California thing, but my local (excellent) sandwich place (Mendocino Farms) does in fact use butter.
Of course, Americans are very keen on "toasted cheese sandwiches", where the butter is applied to the outside of the bread so as to result in nice browning when it is cooked on the hotplate.
Not sure telling people they are thick racists is going down well.
Southgate is just as much of an idiot today as he was in 1996 when he missed that penalty kick. He's made no attempt to understand it or modify his approach.
Saying, "(we) are ‘more determined than ever’ to take the knee" is a massive two-fingers up to those who don't like the politics of BLM, and he's effectively tarring them all as racists, so it's hardly surprising some fans boo even louder.
No one has in the MSM, it’s just condemnation. Even the local news up here was full of comment from talking heads about how ignorant people are for booing.
I don't agree with booing, for one thing it's extremely rude, but plenty of football clubs and black players have stopped taking the knee recognising it's become ineffective, politically tarnished and divisive.
When it literally splits fans right down the middle, you really do need to think of alternatives:
Congratulations, and that name is just trying a bit too hard.
It'd be like me declaring a fatwa and launching a intifada against this site and calling my next son Mike Robert TSE Royale.
Short price for the first criticism of choice of name!
Yeah, but I mean COME ON.
"Lilibet" Diana?
I wish the kid all the best, but it's nauseating.
Absolutely, because no parent has ever named their sprog after family members.
I mean the Queen has the same name as her mother.
You don't use nicknames as given names.
People do now. Makes as much sense as naming somebody something but then declaring they will be known by a nickname or diminutive from then on.
Except it doesn't. If you are named Elizabeth there is an almost infinite number of diminutives you can choose. Many of which go in and out of fashion. Buffy the best by far of course.
What counts as an official diminutive? I had no idea Libby was a diminutive of Elizabeth for instance, Lilibet makes just as much sense to me.
People can also just invent new names if they want (here and in the USA at least). Things that were nicknames can this become 'real' names. What's the big deal about that?
But that doesn’t matter. They’re taking the knee and only stupid, uneducated, people boo.
Booing your own players before kick off certainly sounds pretty dumb to me.
They’re booing the gesture not the players. Irrespective of what team they play for.
I wonder why they're booing the gesture.
Obviously because they’re all racists. 🥱
Or maybe it's the very opposite - they none of them have a racist bone in their bodies and what's driving the boos is a combination of intense irritation at sterile tokenism, a deep distrust of the Marxist principles of the BLM organization, plus a real concern (as anti racists themselves) that the gesture is now damaging a cause that's close to their hearts.
Speaking of nicknames, does anybody else have a problem with using them to people? I hate nicknames and believe Brian Clough used to as well for example.
At work, a couple of people like to be called their initials and especially this I refuse to engage in .
Wasn't it Stuart Pearce who, for his first match as caretaker manager, picked the team, and showed the eleven names to his wife, who asked why there was no goalkeeper?
Congratulations, and that name is just trying a bit too hard.
It'd be like me declaring a fatwa and launching a intifada against this site and calling my next son Mike Robert TSE Royale.
Short price for the first criticism of choice of name!
Yeah, but I mean COME ON.
"Lilibet" Diana?
I wish the kid all the best, but it's nauseating.
Absolutely, because no parent has ever named their sprog after family members.
I mean the Queen has the same name as her mother.
Lilibet is an affectionate (and private) family nickname for the Queen.
It's shameless self aggrandisement.
Why do I get the feeling no matter what they named their daughter you and the Mail would have been complaining.
If they picked a modern name you'd be saying it was hopelessly woke.
How remiss of them not to get approval from the pb reactionaries before finalising the name, how will they ever recover?
It's just gauche, like naming a boy 'Dick 'Dicky' Smith' - with the added sting that 'Dick' was the cherished nickname of the family patriarch in whose face you'd been spitting at every opportunity. Sad to instrumentalize their own child like that.
The French eat all.kill kinds of filthy food No.lessons from the frogs(legs) thank-you.
Our first cultural day out post lockdown. Music from the shows at Chichester Festival theatrel.
It pains me to say this but the French produce better food than us Brits.
They have the Michelin Guide, we have Wetherspoons, the deep fried Mars bar, and Little Chefs.
While that was true 30 years ago, I'm not sure it's true today.
Britain has had a bit of a food revolution, with the quality of cuisine in gastropubs and the number of truly world class restaurants having increased markedly.
This doesn't mean you can't eat sensationally well in France (see Guy Savoy in Paris), but in general, small town French restaurants have gone backwards, while the UK has done nothing but improve.
Congratulations, and that name is just trying a bit too hard.
It'd be like me declaring a fatwa and launching a intifada against this site and calling my next son Mike Robert TSE Royale.
Short price for the first criticism of choice of name!
Yeah, but I mean COME ON.
"Lilibet" Diana?
I wish the kid all the best, but it's nauseating.
Absolutely, because no parent has ever named their sprog after family members.
I mean the Queen has the same name as her mother.
Lilibet is an affectionate (and private) family nickname for the Queen.
It's shameless self aggrandisement.
Why do I get the feeling no matter what they named their daughter you and the Mail would have been complaining.
If they picked a modern name you'd be saying it was hopelessly woke.
How remiss of them not to get approval from the pb reactionaries before finalising the name, how will they ever recover?
It's just gauche, like naming a boy 'Dick 'Dicky' Smith' - with the added sting that 'Dick' was the cherished nickname of the family patriarch in whose face you'd been spitting at every opportunity. Sad to instrumentalize their own child like that.
People really need to chill the heck out.
'Gauche instrumentalising' really? Even if it was, is throwing hissy fits on behalf of the Queen, who for all we know is delighted, a rational reaction?
Maybe the sign for a secret confirmation that an asteroid is on course to hit Earth is that Megs and Harry call their baby Lilibet? Watch out for activity in the MoD.
The French eat all.kill kinds of filthy food No.lessons from the frogs(legs) thank-you.
Our first cultural day out post lockdown. Music from the shows at Chichester Festival theatrel.
It pains me to say this but the French produce better food than us Brits.
They have the Michelin Guide, we have Wetherspoons, the deep fried Mars bar, and Little Chefs.
While that was true 30 years ago, I'm not sure it's true today.
Britain has had a bit of a food revolution, with the quality of cuisine in gastropubs and the number of truly world class restaurants having increased markedly.
This doesn't mean you can't eat sensationally well in France (see Guy Savoy in Paris), but in general, small town French restaurants have gone backwards, while the UK has done nothing but improve.
Maybe the sign for a secret confirmation that an asteroid is on course to hit Earth is that Megs and Harry call their baby Lilibet? Watch out for activity in the MoD.
I suppose it's less obvious than little baby Apophis.
Congratulations, and that name is just trying a bit too hard.
It'd be like me declaring a fatwa and launching a intifada against this site and calling my next son Mike Robert TSE Royale.
Short price for the first criticism of choice of name!
Yeah, but I mean COME ON.
"Lilibet" Diana?
I wish the kid all the best, but it's nauseating.
Absolutely, because no parent has ever named their sprog after family members.
I mean the Queen has the same name as her mother.
You don't use nicknames as given names.
People do now. Makes as much sense as naming somebody something but then declaring they will be known by a nickname or diminutive from then on.
It won’t apply to little Lilybet, as she won’t struggle fir work, but most people like to have the full name up their sleeve to go on the CV, because Elizabeth would sound more professional than Lilybet.
But that doesn’t matter. They’re taking the knee and only stupid, uneducated, people boo.
Booing your own players before kick off certainly sounds pretty dumb to me.
They’re booing the gesture not the players. Irrespective of what team they play for.
I wonder why they're booing the gesture.
Obviously because they’re all racists. 🥱
Or maybe it's the very opposite - they none of them have a racist bone in their bodies and what's driving the boos is a combination of intense irritation at sterile tokenism, a deep distrust of the Marxist principles of the BLM organization, plus a real concern (as anti racists themselves) that the gesture is now damaging a cause that's close to their hearts.
I think its more the first reason you give to be honest. People are a bit sick of moralising and being told what to do and think over the covid period and sport does not need to continue this theme- People just want to watch football not virtue signalling by the FA / millionaire players
Congratulations, and that name is just trying a bit too hard.
It'd be like me declaring a fatwa and launching a intifada against this site and calling my next son Mike Robert TSE Royale.
Short price for the first criticism of choice of name!
Yeah, but I mean COME ON.
"Lilibet" Diana?
I wish the kid all the best, but it's nauseating.
Absolutely, because no parent has ever named their sprog after family members.
I mean the Queen has the same name as her mother.
Lilibet is an affectionate (and private) family nickname for the Queen.
It's shameless self aggrandisement.
Why do I get the feeling no matter what they named their daughter you and the Mail would have been complaining.
If they picked a modern name you'd be saying it was hopelessly woke.
How remiss of them not to get approval from the pb reactionaries before finalising the name, how will they ever recover?
It's just gauche, like naming a boy 'Dick 'Dicky' Smith' - with the added sting that 'Dick' was the cherished nickname of the family patriarch in whose face you'd been spitting at every opportunity. Sad to instrumentalize their own child like that.
People really need to chill the heck out.
'Gauche instrumentalising' really? Even if it was, is throwing hissy fits on behalf of the Queen, who for all we know is delighted, a rational reaction?
Who knows, HMQ might even have suggested it. Reactions are truly bizarre, the alien gang are more rational.
Everyone loves a good sandwich. It is so satisfying, coherent, simple, yet fantastically open to variation
Except the Nordics who failed to grasp the single most important element...
Or the Yanks, who don’t use butter.
Eh?
Maybe it's a California thing, but my local (excellent) sandwich place (Mendocino Farms) does in fact use butter.
Of course, Americans are very keen on "toasted cheese sandwiches", where the butter is applied to the outside of the bread so as to result in nice browning when it is cooked on the hotplate.
Absolutely inexplicable to me. Are people impressed by that new ship or something? I'd love to meet some of these respondents and get a handle on what's going on in their heads. Make them comfortable on a couch and encourage them to tell me all about it. And I'd just listen.
That poll looks like it was taken before Tears For Piers ( ht- @GIN1138)
The French eat all.kill kinds of filthy food No.lessons from the frogs(legs) thank-you.
Our first cultural day out post lockdown. Music from the shows at Chichester Festival theatrel.
It pains me to say this but the French produce better food than us Brits.
They have the Michelin Guide, we have Wetherspoons, the deep fried Mars bar, and Little Chefs.
While that was true 30 years ago, I'm not sure it's true today.
Britain has had a bit of a food revolution, with the quality of cuisine in gastropubs and the number of truly world class restaurants having increased markedly.
This doesn't mean you can't eat sensationally well in France (see Guy Savoy in Paris), but in general, small town French restaurants have gone backwards, while the UK has done nothing but improve.
Isn't that what a former PBer has been telling us for years ?
Would you be taking your gastronomic opinions from Mr T ?
Congratulations, and that name is just trying a bit too hard.
It'd be like me declaring a fatwa and launching a intifada against this site and calling my next son Mike Robert TSE Royale.
Short price for the first criticism of choice of name!
Yeah, but I mean COME ON.
"Lilibet" Diana?
I wish the kid all the best, but it's nauseating.
Absolutely, because no parent has ever named their sprog after family members.
I mean the Queen has the same name as her mother.
You don't use nicknames as given names.
People do now. Makes as much sense as naming somebody something but then declaring they will be known by a nickname or diminutive from then on.
It won’t apply to little Lilybet, as she won’t struggle fir work, but most people like to have the full name up their sleeve to go on the CV, because Elizabeth would sound more professional than Lilybet.
Oh, I think that's pretty sensible, plus even you go by Benjy from birth, it's easy for you to ask people to call you Ben or Benjamin if you grow up to dislike it, then outright ignoring the actual name.
Congratulations, and that name is just trying a bit too hard.
It'd be like me declaring a fatwa and launching a intifada against this site and calling my next son Mike Robert TSE Royale.
Short price for the first criticism of choice of name!
Yeah, but I mean COME ON.
"Lilibet" Diana?
I wish the kid all the best, but it's nauseating.
Absolutely, because no parent has ever named their sprog after family members.
I mean the Queen has the same name as her mother.
Nice idea from them, but I don’t like nicknames as the official name for kids really. Elizabeth known as ‘Lilibet’ would have been nicer, but then again maybe that’s just me being old fashioned.
Who cares what the Queen is called in private? Who cares what anyone is called in private? The determination to peek inside one family’s life is completely bizarre.
Much more important than the name of some offspring, I reckon England cricket has taken a turn for the worse today. If I was at Lords I'd be pretty pissed off and maybe booing. A very generous declaration from NZ, but no effort by England to get the runs before shutting up shop. They could have sought to rotate the strike for the first 30 overs or so, then had a dash, before defending if wickets were lost. You don't need big hitters to get a target of less than 4 an over.
My other major complaint is the over rate in all form of cricket these days. When I was a lad, 20 overs an hour was the norm. Not this constant fiddling with the field, and drinks breaks. Poor value for money now.
Edit - I shall of course withdraw all this if England score 140 off the last 20 overs. Likely chance.
Congratulations, and that name is just trying a bit too hard.
It'd be like me declaring a fatwa and launching a intifada against this site and calling my next son Mike Robert TSE Royale.
Short price for the first criticism of choice of name!
Yeah, but I mean COME ON.
"Lilibet" Diana?
I wish the kid all the best, but it's nauseating.
Absolutely, because no parent has ever named their sprog after family members.
I mean the Queen has the same name as her mother.
Lilibet is an affectionate (and private) family nickname for the Queen.
It's shameless self aggrandisement.
Why do I get the feeling no matter what they named their daughter you and the Mail would have been complaining.
If they picked a modern name you'd be saying it was hopelessly woke.
How remiss of them not to get approval from the pb reactionaries before finalising the name, how will they ever recover?
It's just gauche, like naming a boy 'Dick 'Dicky' Smith' - with the added sting that 'Dick' was the cherished nickname of the family patriarch in whose face you'd been spitting at every opportunity. Sad to instrumentalize their own child like that.
People really need to chill the heck out.
'Gauche instrumentalising' really? Even if it was, is throwing hissy fits on behalf of the Queen, who for all we know is delighted, a rational reaction?
No intention of being the Queen's spokesman; it just strikes me as a thoroughly avoidable lapse of taste and decorum. The fact that they were either unwilling or unable to avoid it rather symbolizes why their relationship to the rest of the family has become as fraught as it is.
But that doesn’t matter. They’re taking the knee and only stupid, uneducated, people boo.
Booing your own players before kick off certainly sounds pretty dumb to me.
They’re booing the gesture not the players. Irrespective of what team they play for.
I wonder why they're booing the gesture.
Obviously because they’re all racists. 🥱
Or maybe it's the very opposite - they none of them have a racist bone in their bodies and what's driving the boos is a combination of intense irritation at sterile tokenism, a deep distrust of the Marxist principles of the BLM organization, plus a real concern (as anti racists themselves) that the gesture is now damaging a cause that's close to their hearts.
I think its more the first reason you give to be honest. People are a bit sick of moralising and being told what to do and think over the covid period and sport does not need to continue this theme- People just want to watch football not virtue signalling by the FA / millionaire players
The thing is that beyond the gesture and the shirts, what is the BLM message actually translating into for English football. I’m not saying there isn’t lots of positive work going on behind the scenes, but ultimately George Floyd is a bit irrelevant to the problems in football, English or otherwise. And it seems to me to be diluting the message of the specifically football driven campaign of Kick it Out - which I think had pretty much universal support. Except from racists.
Much more important than the name of some offspring, I reckon England cricket has taken a turn for the worse today. If I was at Lords I'd be pretty pissed off and maybe booing. A very generous declaration from NZ, but no effort by England to get the runs before shutting up shop. They could have sought to rotate the strike for the first 30 overs or so, then had a dash, before defending if wickets were lost. You don't need big hitters to get a target of less than 4 an over.
My other major complaint is the over rate in all form of cricket these days. When I was a lad, 20 overs an hour was the norm. Not this constant fiddling with the field, and drinks breaks. Poor value for money now.
David Frost, Brexit minister, on withdrawal agreement:
“We underestimated the effect of the protocol on goods movements to Northern Ireland, with some suppliers in GB simply not sending their products because of the time-consuming paperwork required.”
Congratulations, and that name is just trying a bit too hard.
It'd be like me declaring a fatwa and launching a intifada against this site and calling my next son Mike Robert TSE Royale.
Short price for the first criticism of choice of name!
Yeah, but I mean COME ON.
"Lilibet" Diana?
I wish the kid all the best, but it's nauseating.
Absolutely, because no parent has ever named their sprog after family members.
I mean the Queen has the same name as her mother.
You don't use nicknames as given names.
People do now. Makes as much sense as naming somebody something but then declaring they will be known by a nickname or diminutive from then on.
It won’t apply to little Lilybet, as she won’t struggle fir work, but most people like to have the full name up their sleeve to go on the CV, because Elizabeth would sound more professional than Lilybet.
Oh, I think that's pretty sensible, plus even you go by Benjy from birth, it's easy for you to ask people to call you Ben or Benjamin if you grow up to dislike it, then outright ignoring the actual name.
One of my chums at school was called Sam, plain and simple. He used to get pissed off whenever our French teacher kept calling him "Samuel"
Congratulations, and that name is just trying a bit too hard.
It'd be like me declaring a fatwa and launching a intifada against this site and calling my next son Mike Robert TSE Royale.
Short price for the first criticism of choice of name!
Yeah, but I mean COME ON.
"Lilibet" Diana?
I wish the kid all the best, but it's nauseating.
Absolutely, because no parent has ever named their sprog after family members.
I mean the Queen has the same name as her mother.
Nice idea from them, but I don’t like nicknames as the official name for kids really. Elizabeth known as ‘Lilibet’ would have been nicer, but then again maybe that’s just me being old fashioned.
Who cares what the Queen is called in private? Who cares what anyone is called in private? The determination to peek inside one family’s life is completely bizarre.
I don’t really care, I found out from The Crown. Were we not meant to mention it?
Politicalbetting is sometimes odd, this is one of those times.
It often (and why not!) discusses things nobody discusses "in the street" due to being highbrow or severely niche. Seat boundary changes, opinion polls, hefty ancient history etc etc . Then at times like this it actually manages to discuss things that are actually too lowbrow for a discussion "on the street" like what meghan and Harry name their child .
As Alan Partridge 's new slogan from the explosive last episode of This Time is " I am hopping mad I want something in the middle!! "I suggest we take it on board!
Congratulations, and that name is just trying a bit too hard.
It'd be like me declaring a fatwa and launching a intifada against this site and calling my next son Mike Robert TSE Royale.
Short price for the first criticism of choice of name!
Yeah, but I mean COME ON.
"Lilibet" Diana?
I wish the kid all the best, but it's nauseating.
Absolutely, because no parent has ever named their sprog after family members.
I mean the Queen has the same name as her mother.
Lilibet is an affectionate (and private) family nickname for the Queen.
It's shameless self aggrandisement.
Why do I get the feeling no matter what they named their daughter you and the Mail would have been complaining.
If they picked a modern name you'd be saying it was hopelessly woke.
Christabel Germaine Winnie would have been great.
Add in Brenda and we would have had perfection.
Well I'm happy that Meghan has had a healthy baby girl. I do think the name is a bit insulting to the queen tbh though.
Yup, I agree with that sentiment, first and foremost glad the baby is healthy but the name. They really are awful
Royal names are never given in the diminutive - Lilibet's father is officially Henry Charles Albert David on the records. Personally I think Alex or Mary would have been a better nod to the queen.
Congratulations, and that name is just trying a bit too hard.
It'd be like me declaring a fatwa and launching a intifada against this site and calling my next son Mike Robert TSE Royale.
Short price for the first criticism of choice of name!
Yeah, but I mean COME ON.
"Lilibet" Diana?
I wish the kid all the best, but it's nauseating.
Absolutely, because no parent has ever named their sprog after family members.
I mean the Queen has the same name as her mother.
Lilibet is an affectionate (and private) family nickname for the Queen.
It's shameless self aggrandisement.
Why do I get the feeling no matter what they named their daughter you and the Mail would have been complaining.
If they picked a modern name you'd be saying it was hopelessly woke.
Christabel Germaine Winnie would have been great.
Add in Brenda and we would have had perfection.
Well I'm happy that Meghan has had a healthy baby girl
And that is by orders of magnitude the most important thing.
Now if they would kindly draw the veil of obscurity over themselves and get on with their lives in private as they have so often publicly proclaimed, the better...
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"Lilibet" Diana?
I wish the kid all the best, but it's nauseating.
Bring back Little Chef. Cheaper and better quality.
I mean the Queen has the same name as her mother.
It's shameless self aggrandisement.
Increase in cases, still (slow) increases in hospitalisations). The skew to the younger (un vaccinated) groups for both continues
If they picked a modern name you'd be saying it was hopelessly woke.
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/1928/10/20/far-from-well
When I used to travel to Cornwall, I knew all the Little Chefs on the A303 and A30 from Barton Stacey to Loggans Moor.
Stopping at Victoria (Cornwall) at 8.30pm and knowing I could get an Olympic Breakfast or just a nice meal after a 4 and a half hour drive was one of the pleasures of that simpler time.
https://twitter.com/RoyalDickie/status/1401575110453170179?s=20
I absolutely refuse the acknowledge the possibility that I could legally be a grandfather in five years. I'm not even middle aged yet.
Brexit backers: 80%+ will go Johnson
ex-Remainers: 50% Starmer, 35% no view, 15% Johnson
Brexit has to fail or the economy tank (obviously closely related) to change those numbers much.
Maybe it's a California thing, but my local (excellent) sandwich place (Mendocino Farms) does in fact use butter.
Good F1 race earlier.
On topic, love the distinction between steak and kidney pie and the equivalent pudding.
Buffy the best by far of course.
This is one area where even if the name was 1% a troll (and I'm not that cynical), reacting to it would just be silly. There's no scenario where getting worked up over the name plays well.
When it literally splits fans right down the middle, you really do need to think of alternatives:
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/sport/articles-reports/2020/10/16/do-fans-support-premier-league-players-knee-blm
That's why no-one uses it except her very closest family.
People can also just invent new names if they want (here and in the USA at least). Things that were nicknames can this become 'real' names. What's the big deal about that?
At work, a couple of people like to be called their initials and especially this I refuse to engage in .
Oprah might have been a bit ott.
Britain has had a bit of a food revolution, with the quality of cuisine in gastropubs and the number of truly world class restaurants having increased markedly.
This doesn't mean you can't eat sensationally well in France (see Guy Savoy in Paris), but in general, small town French restaurants have gone backwards, while the UK has done nothing but improve.
'Gauche instrumentalising' really? Even if it was, is throwing hissy fits on behalf of the Queen, who for all we know is delighted, a rational reaction?
Perhaps Greta Miley Lovato.
Would you be taking your gastronomic opinions from Mr T ?
https://twitter.com/TheEconomist/status/1401578901281939458?s=20
My other major complaint is the over rate in all form of cricket these days. When I was a lad, 20 overs an hour was the norm. Not this constant fiddling with the field, and drinks breaks. Poor value for money now.
Edit - I shall of course withdraw all this if England score 140 off the last 20 overs. Likely chance.
You might be on to a winner there
It often (and why not!) discusses things nobody discusses "in the street" due to being highbrow or severely niche. Seat boundary changes, opinion polls, hefty ancient history etc etc . Then at times like this it actually manages to discuss things that are actually too lowbrow for a discussion "on the street" like what meghan and Harry name their child .
As Alan Partridge 's new slogan from the explosive last episode of This Time is " I am hopping mad I want something in the middle!! "I suggest we take it on board!
Personally I think Alex or Mary would have been a better nod to the queen.
Now if they would kindly draw the veil of obscurity over themselves and get on with their lives in private as they have so often publicly proclaimed, the better...