Based on the farce that was the 2021 Kentucky Derby, isn't horse racing in the same league as professional wrestling?
That was American racing. How long is it since the President attended a race meeting? I've a vague recollection George HW Bush used to.
One hopes HMQ is OK. Is she alone now, after 70-odd years' marriage, and Covid meaning the normal public events she'd have attended were all cancelled, rattling around Buckingham Palace with no-one to talk to apart from Boris once a week?
She needs to hang on for a little more than three more years to become the longest verifiable reigning monarch in world history. As the current incumbent is Louis XIV of France I'm sure she will do her duty to the country and take the top spot.
Someone was asking for proper science on the UFOs. This appears to be that, with two possible kooks as authors, but at least one serious scientist, from the University in Albany, NY
"Several Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP) encountered by military, commercial, and civilian aircraft have been reported to be structured craft that exhibit ‘impossible’ flight characteristics. We consider a handful of well-documented encounters, including the 2004 encounters with the Nimitz Carrier Group off the coast of California, and estimate lower bounds on the accelerations exhibited by the craft during the observed maneuvers. Estimated accelerations range from almost 100g to 1000s of gs with no observed air disturbance, no sonic booms, and no evidence of excessive heat commensurate with even the minimal estimated energies. In accordance with observations, the estimated parameters describing the behavior of these craft are both anomalous and surprising.
"The extreme estimated flight characteristics reveal that these observations are either fabricated or seriously in error, or that these craft exhibit technology far more advanced than any known craft on Earth. In many cases, the number and quality of witnesses, the variety of roles they played in the encounters, and the equipment used to track and record the craft favor the latter hypothesis that these are indeed technologically advanced craft.
"The observed flight characteristics of these craft are consistent with the flight characteristics required for interstellar travel, i.e., if these observed accelerations were sustainable in space, then these craft could easily reach relativistic speeds within a matter of minutes to hours and cover interstellar distances in a matter of days to weeks, proper time"
Poltico.com - Trump will remain off Facebook for at least two years The announcement comes its oversight board criticized the former president's indefinite ban.
Pretty provocative UFO comments from a former Deputy Assistance Secretary of Defense. OK he's not Obama, but still a serious military guy
""These objects appear to exceed our military capabilities," said Mick Mulroy, an ABC News contributor and a former deputy assistant secretary of defense. ""We need to determine who this is and what capabilities they possess. It is never a good thing to discover you are vastly behind in technology."
""From a national security perspective, we cannot presume benevolence," he added. "Whether terrestrial in origin or not.""
@DarrenGBNews UK has signed a post-Brexit trade deal with Norway, Iceland and Liechtenstein
Government claim agreement, is worth £21bn and will "slash tariffs on high-quality British food and farm products and support jobs in every area of our country"
I’m sure I saw posts on here a couple of weeks ago because some minor Norwegian pol has mouthed off it was never going to happen and therefore Brexit was a disaster?
@DarrenGBNews UK has signed a post-Brexit trade deal with Norway, Iceland and Liechtenstein
Government claim agreement, is worth £21bn and will "slash tariffs on high-quality British food and farm products and support jobs in every area of our country"
I’m sure I saw posts on here a couple of weeks ago because some minor Norwegian pol has mouthed off it was never going to happen and therefore Brexit was a disaster?
From the BBC website
The UK has signed a post-Brexit trade deal with Norway, Iceland and Liechtenstein, the government has announced.
The agreement will be a major boost for trade between the four non-EU nations, which is already worth £21.6bn, UK minister Liz Truss said.
She claimed it would boost sectors such as digital and cut tariffs on UK farm products such as cheese and meat.
Britain is Norway's top trading partner outside the European Union (EU).
The UK government said reduced import tariffs on shrimps, prawns and haddock would cut costs for UK fish processing, helping to support jobs in Scotland, East Yorkshire and northern Lincolnshire.
"At 8am on Wednesday there were 26 confirmed Covid cases in ELHT. Seven of the 26 were in critical care – but only one of the seven was above the age of 65 which is a different age profile to the critical care cohort compared to the previous three waves."
"Seven patients had had two vaccinations, four had had a single jab and 10 were not vaccinated although most, but not all were at an age where they could have been. Vaccinations were a mix."
@DarrenGBNews UK has signed a post-Brexit trade deal with Norway, Iceland and Liechtenstein
Government claim agreement, is worth £21bn and will "slash tariffs on high-quality British food and farm products and support jobs in every area of our country"
Sounds like it goes further than the deal we had with them as EU members too?
Liz Truss really has done a fantastic job, and Brexit is really going as well as I could have hoped for.
‘David Henig, a former UK government trade official who is now director of the UK Trade Policy Project, said: “This UK-EEA free trade agreement provides better trading conditions than World Trade Organization terms, though with considerably more trade barriers when compared with the previous single market relationship.
“There are some useful provisions for UK business such as on professional qualifications or digital trade, but there will also be many difficulties as we see with the similar UK-EU trade and cooperation agreement. Overall this is quite a standard free trade agreement, with limited economic value.”’
@DarrenGBNews UK has signed a post-Brexit trade deal with Norway, Iceland and Liechtenstein
Government claim agreement, is worth £21bn and will "slash tariffs on high-quality British food and farm products and support jobs in every area of our country"
Sounds like it goes further than the deal we had with them as EU members too?
Liz Truss really has done a fantastic job, and Brexit is really going as well as I could have hoped for.
‘David Henig, a former UK government trade official who is now director of the UK Trade Policy Project, said: “This UK-EEA free trade agreement provides better trading conditions than World Trade Organization terms, though with considerably more trade barriers when compared with the previous single market relationship.
“There are some useful provisions for UK business such as on professional qualifications or digital trade, but there will also be many difficulties as we see with the similar UK-EU trade and cooperation agreement. Overall this is quite a standard free trade agreement, with limited economic value.”’
"We have carefully considered a handful of encounters with UAVs of unknown nature and origin. Reports of the encounters have described these UAVs as having “amazing” or “impossible” flight characteristics. In this paper, we objectively quantified the observed accelerations. In some situations, the information available consisted of eyewitness descriptions.
"However, in each of these cases the eyewitnesses were trained observers, and these encounters were selected because they involved multiple witnesses observing in multiple modalities including visual contact from pilots and passengers, radar, and infrared video. While fabrication and exaggeration cannot be ruled out, the fact that multiple professional trained observers working in different modalities corroborate the reports greatly minimizes such risks.
"The facts that the estimated accelerations of encounters spanning over 50 years all fall within two orders of magnitude of one another and that they are far greater in magnitude than one would expect serve to further minimize the risks of fabrication or exaggeration. Furthermore, our acceleration estimates are similar to previous estimates of accelerations measured in other encounters, such as the accelerations ranging from 175m/s2 to 4407m/s2 (17.9g to 450g) estimated from radar data obtained during the 1968 Minot AFB encounter in North Dakota, USA [28].
"In addition, the German physicist Hermann Oberth, one of the founding fathers of astronautics and rocketry, gave a lecture on UFOs in 1954 in which he reported the top measured speed to be 19km/s [29], or Mach 55, which is comparable to the maximum speed of ∼Mach 60 we estimated in Section 2.4.1 from the radar observations of Senior Chief Day on the USS Princeton during the 2004 Nimitz encounters."
"At 8am on Wednesday there were 26 confirmed Covid cases in ELHT. Seven of the 26 were in critical care – but only one of the seven was above the age of 65 which is a different age profile to the critical care cohort compared to the previous three waves."
"Seven patients had had two vaccinations, four had had a single jab and 10 were not vaccinated although most, but not all were at an age where they could have been. Vaccinations were a mix."
Apologies if this has been posted already.
The most recent comparable figures for the Bolton NHS trust are 42 in hospital including 11 on ventilation - and there the overall hospital patient number appears to have levelled off and admissions are beginning to trend downwards.
In Bedfordshire, where (as in Bolton) the case load in the Bedford hotspot also appears to have peaked and gone into decline, the comparable numbers are just 12 and 1.
Unless the disease somehow behaves in a dramatically different way in Blackburn, there is no particular reason to suppose that it won't follow a similar trajectory: peak Plague not too far off, only a small handful of very unlucky people kicking the bucket, and the hospital perfectly able to cope with just a small fraction of the number of Covid cases it had to deal with in previous waves.
"We have carefully considered a handful of encounters with UAVs of unknown nature and origin. Reports of the encounters have described these UAVs as having “amazing” or “impossible” flight characteristics. In this paper, we objectively quantified the observed accelerations. In some situations, the information available consisted of eyewitness descriptions.
PARKLIFE!
"However, in each of these cases the eyewitnesses were trained observers, and these encounters were selected because they involved multiple witnesses observing in multiple modalities including visual contact from pilots and passengers, radar, and infrared video. While fabrication and exaggeration cannot be ruled out, the fact that multiple professional trained observers working in different modalities corroborate the reports greatly minimizes such risks.
PARKLIFE!
"The facts that the estimated accelerations of encounters spanning over 50 years all fall within two orders of magnitude of one another and that they are far greater in magnitude than one would expect serve to further minimize the risks of fabrication or exaggeration. Furthermore, our acceleration estimates are similar to previous estimates of accelerations measured in other encounters, such as the accelerations ranging from 175m/s2 to 4407m/s2 (17.9g to 450g) estimated from radar data obtained during the 1968 Minot AFB encounter in North Dakota, USA [28].
PARKLIFE!
"In addition, the German physicist Hermann Oberth, one of the founding fathers of astronautics and rocketry, gave a lecture on UFOs in 1954 in which he reported the top measured speed to be 19km/s [29], or Mach 55, which is comparable to the maximum speed of ∼Mach 60 we estimated in Section 2.4.1 from the radar observations of Senior Chief Day on the USS Princeton during the 2004 Nimitz encounters."
All the people So many people And hey all go hand-in-hand Hand-in-hand through their parklife
"At 8am on Wednesday there were 26 confirmed Covid cases in ELHT. Seven of the 26 were in critical care – but only one of the seven was above the age of 65 which is a different age profile to the critical care cohort compared to the previous three waves."
"Seven patients had had two vaccinations, four had had a single jab and 10 were not vaccinated although most, but not all were at an age where they could have been. Vaccinations were a mix."
Apologies if this has been posted already.
The most recent comparable figures for the Bolton NHS trust are 42 in hospital including 11 on ventilation - and there the overall hospital patient number appears to have levelled off and admissions are beginning to trend downwards.
In Bedfordshire, where (as in Bolton) the case load in the Bedford hotspot also appears to have peaked and gone into decline, the comparable numbers are just 12 and 1.
Unless the disease somehow behaves in a dramatically different way in Blackburn, there is no particular reason to suppose that it won't follow a similar trajectory: peak Plague not too far off, only a small handful of very unlucky people kicking the bucket, and the hospital perfectly able to cope with just a small fraction of the number of Covid cases it had to deal with in previous waves.
Almost as if waiting a week or 2 to see how it turns out is a good idea.
Based on the farce that was the 2021 Kentucky Derby, isn't horse racing in the same league as professional wrestling?
That was American racing. How long is it since the President attended a race meeting? I've a vague recollection George HW Bush used to.
One hopes HMQ is OK. Is she alone now, after 70-odd years' marriage, and Covid meaning the normal public events she'd have attended were all cancelled, rattling around Buckingham Palace with no-one to talk to apart from Boris once a week?
She needs to hang on for a little more than three more years to become the longest verifiable reigning monarch in world history. As the current incumbent is Louis XIV of France I'm sure she will do her duty to the country and take the top spot.
She needs to hang on at least another 12 months for her platinum jubilee bank holiday next year.
"At 8am on Wednesday there were 26 confirmed Covid cases in ELHT. Seven of the 26 were in critical care – but only one of the seven was above the age of 65 which is a different age profile to the critical care cohort compared to the previous three waves."
"Seven patients had had two vaccinations, four had had a single jab and 10 were not vaccinated although most, but not all were at an age where they could have been. Vaccinations were a mix."
Apologies if this has been posted already.
The most recent comparable figures for the Bolton NHS trust are 42 in hospital including 11 on ventilation - and there the overall hospital patient number appears to have levelled off and admissions are beginning to trend downwards.
In Bedfordshire, where (as in Bolton) the case load in the Bedford hotspot also appears to have peaked and gone into decline, the comparable numbers are just 12 and 1.
Unless the disease somehow behaves in a dramatically different way in Blackburn, there is no particular reason to suppose that it won't follow a similar trajectory: peak Plague not too far off, only a small handful of very unlucky people kicking the bucket, and the hospital perfectly able to cope with just a small fraction of the number of Covid cases it had to deal with in previous waves.
Almost as if waiting a week or 2 to see how it turns out is a good idea.
Though, of course, if one set of observations appears encouraging then they'll simply find something else to wet over.
"We have carefully considered a handful of encounters with UAVs of unknown nature and origin. Reports of the encounters have described these UAVs as having “amazing” or “impossible” flight characteristics. In this paper, we objectively quantified the observed accelerations. In some situations, the information available consisted of eyewitness descriptions.
PARKLIFE!
"However, in each of these cases the eyewitnesses were trained observers, and these encounters were selected because they involved multiple witnesses observing in multiple modalities including visual contact from pilots and passengers, radar, and infrared video. While fabrication and exaggeration cannot be ruled out, the fact that multiple professional trained observers working in different modalities corroborate the reports greatly minimizes such risks.
PARKLIFE!
"The facts that the estimated accelerations of encounters spanning over 50 years all fall within two orders of magnitude of one another and that they are far greater in magnitude than one would expect serve to further minimize the risks of fabrication or exaggeration. Furthermore, our acceleration estimates are similar to previous estimates of accelerations measured in other encounters, such as the accelerations ranging from 175m/s2 to 4407m/s2 (17.9g to 450g) estimated from radar data obtained during the 1968 Minot AFB encounter in North Dakota, USA [28].
PARKLIFE!
"In addition, the German physicist Hermann Oberth, one of the founding fathers of astronautics and rocketry, gave a lecture on UFOs in 1954 in which he reported the top measured speed to be 19km/s [29], or Mach 55, which is comparable to the maximum speed of ∼Mach 60 we estimated in Section 2.4.1 from the radar observations of Senior Chief Day on the USS Princeton during the 2004 Nimitz encounters."
All the people So many people And hey all go hand-in-hand Hand-in-hand through their parklife
Know what I mean?
The main author is this guy, a Physics Professor at the University at Albany, NY
Based on the farce that was the 2021 Kentucky Derby, isn't horse racing in the same league as professional wrestling?
That was American racing. How long is it since the President attended a race meeting? I've a vague recollection George HW Bush used to.
One hopes HMQ is OK. Is she alone now, after 70-odd years' marriage, and Covid meaning the normal public events she'd have attended were all cancelled, rattling around Buckingham Palace with no-one to talk to apart from Boris once a week?
Share your sentiment re: Her Majesty.
Re: UK horseracing, are you sure that, in stark contrast to US, it's as honest as the day (or the track) is long?
The top British races are invariably won by Irish-trained horses, so any suspicions about magic carrots should be directed over there.
"We have carefully considered a handful of encounters with UAVs of unknown nature and origin. Reports of the encounters have described these UAVs as having “amazing” or “impossible” flight characteristics. In this paper, we objectively quantified the observed accelerations. In some situations, the information available consisted of eyewitness descriptions.
"However, in each of these cases the eyewitnesses were trained observers, and these encounters were selected because they involved multiple witnesses observing in multiple modalities including visual contact from pilots and passengers, radar, and infrared video. While fabrication and exaggeration cannot be ruled out, the fact that multiple professional trained observers working in different modalities corroborate the reports greatly minimizes such risks.
"The facts that the estimated accelerations of encounters spanning over 50 years all fall within two orders of magnitude of one another and that they are far greater in magnitude than one would expect serve to further minimize the risks of fabrication or exaggeration. Furthermore, our acceleration estimates are similar to previous estimates of accelerations measured in other encounters, such as the accelerations ranging from 175m/s2 to 4407m/s2 (17.9g to 450g) estimated from radar data obtained during the 1968 Minot AFB encounter in North Dakota, USA [28].
"In addition, the German physicist Hermann Oberth, one of the founding fathers of astronautics and rocketry, gave a lecture on UFOs in 1954 in which he reported the top measured speed to be 19km/s [29], or Mach 55, which is comparable to the maximum speed of ∼Mach 60 we estimated in Section 2.4.1 from the radar observations of Senior Chief Day on the USS Princeton during the 2004 Nimitz encounters."
Golly
The problem here is that people cannot live with mystery anymore: they demand answers and sometimes there are none.
"We have carefully considered a handful of encounters with UAVs of unknown nature and origin. Reports of the encounters have described these UAVs as having “amazing” or “impossible” flight characteristics. In this paper, we objectively quantified the observed accelerations. In some situations, the information available consisted of eyewitness descriptions.
PARKLIFE!
"However, in each of these cases the eyewitnesses were trained observers, and these encounters were selected because they involved multiple witnesses observing in multiple modalities including visual contact from pilots and passengers, radar, and infrared video. While fabrication and exaggeration cannot be ruled out, the fact that multiple professional trained observers working in different modalities corroborate the reports greatly minimizes such risks.
PARKLIFE!
"The facts that the estimated accelerations of encounters spanning over 50 years all fall within two orders of magnitude of one another and that they are far greater in magnitude than one would expect serve to further minimize the risks of fabrication or exaggeration. Furthermore, our acceleration estimates are similar to previous estimates of accelerations measured in other encounters, such as the accelerations ranging from 175m/s2 to 4407m/s2 (17.9g to 450g) estimated from radar data obtained during the 1968 Minot AFB encounter in North Dakota, USA [28].
PARKLIFE!
"In addition, the German physicist Hermann Oberth, one of the founding fathers of astronautics and rocketry, gave a lecture on UFOs in 1954 in which he reported the top measured speed to be 19km/s [29], or Mach 55, which is comparable to the maximum speed of ∼Mach 60 we estimated in Section 2.4.1 from the radar observations of Senior Chief Day on the USS Princeton during the 2004 Nimitz encounters."
All the people So many people And hey all go hand-in-hand Hand-in-hand through their parklife
Know what I mean?
The recent moves in the US have been quite baffling. Your points above - if one of them is based on facts it'd be good (not suggesting that you're not accurately reporting of course).
The problem of it is why? The chances of ET being roughly in our technological league is almost zero. We've evloved over billions of years, but the technical window has been in the thousands. Why would they coincide.
The idea that ET needs to mess about flying drone like things in the oceans and is just a few steps ahead of us, and doesn't have the technology to just observe remotely or not be seen, well that's sort of incredible (in the literal sense).
They're out there, but I would be astonished if we spotted them. Nearly 100 percent chance is that first contact will be them saying hello. (And incidentally, as I posted some weeks ago all this chaff could be the governments sizing us up for the real thing - hugely low probability, but more likely than most ET stuff)
The top British races are invariably won by Irish-trained horses, so any suspicions about magic carrots should be directed over there.
I think the question is whether horse racing is less corrupt than boxing, more fixed than wrestling or as much in the pocket of the bookies as football and cricket.
@DarrenGBNews UK has signed a post-Brexit trade deal with Norway, Iceland and Liechtenstein
Government claim agreement, is worth £21bn and will "slash tariffs on high-quality British food and farm products and support jobs in every area of our country"
I’m sure I saw posts on here a couple of weeks ago because some minor Norwegian pol has mouthed off it was never going to happen and therefore Brexit was a disaster?
Hardly a triumph. Fruit hanging so low as to be already scraping the floor.
But good news, I suppose. And you can only beat what's in front of you.
"We have carefully considered a handful of encounters with UAVs of unknown nature and origin. Reports of the encounters have described these UAVs as having “amazing” or “impossible” flight characteristics. In this paper, we objectively quantified the observed accelerations. In some situations, the information available consisted of eyewitness descriptions.
PARKLIFE!
"However, in each of these cases the eyewitnesses were trained observers, and these encounters were selected because they involved multiple witnesses observing in multiple modalities including visual contact from pilots and passengers, radar, and infrared video. While fabrication and exaggeration cannot be ruled out, the fact that multiple professional trained observers working in different modalities corroborate the reports greatly minimizes such risks.
PARKLIFE!
"The facts that the estimated accelerations of encounters spanning over 50 years all fall within two orders of magnitude of one another and that they are far greater in magnitude than one would expect serve to further minimize the risks of fabrication or exaggeration. Furthermore, our acceleration estimates are similar to previous estimates of accelerations measured in other encounters, such as the accelerations ranging from 175m/s2 to 4407m/s2 (17.9g to 450g) estimated from radar data obtained during the 1968 Minot AFB encounter in North Dakota, USA [28].
PARKLIFE!
"In addition, the German physicist Hermann Oberth, one of the founding fathers of astronautics and rocketry, gave a lecture on UFOs in 1954 in which he reported the top measured speed to be 19km/s [29], or Mach 55, which is comparable to the maximum speed of ∼Mach 60 we estimated in Section 2.4.1 from the radar observations of Senior Chief Day on the USS Princeton during the 2004 Nimitz encounters."
All the people So many people And hey all go hand-in-hand Hand-in-hand through their parklife
Know what I mean?
The recent moves in the US have been quite baffling. Your points above - if one of them is based on facts it'd be good (not suggesting that you're not accurately reporting of course).
The problem of it is why? The chances of ET being roughly in our technological league is almost zero. We've evloved over billions of years, but the technical window has been in the thousands. Why would they coincide.
The idea that ET needs to mess about flying drone like things in the oceans and is just a few steps ahead of us, and doesn't have the technology to just observe remotely or not be seen, well that's sort of incredible (in the literal sense).
They're out there, but I would be astonished if we spotted them. Nearly 100 percent chance is that first contact will be them saying hello. (And incidentally, as I posted some weeks ago all this chaff could be the governments sizing us up for the real thing - hugely low probability, but more likely than most ET stuff)
Well then you have to explain the many many sightings AND ALSO the fact the US government is taking it deeply seriously, and the Pentagon has decided this is not American technology.
So who is it?
At some point the idea this is a massive Yankee conspiracy to scare China, or itself, or everyone, becomes untenable. So, again, what are these things?
"We have carefully considered a handful of encounters with UAVs of unknown nature and origin. Reports of the encounters have described these UAVs as having “amazing” or “impossible” flight characteristics. In this paper, we objectively quantified the observed accelerations. In some situations, the information available consisted of eyewitness descriptions.
PARKLIFE!
"However, in each of these cases the eyewitnesses were trained observers, and these encounters were selected because they involved multiple witnesses observing in multiple modalities including visual contact from pilots and passengers, radar, and infrared video. While fabrication and exaggeration cannot be ruled out, the fact that multiple professional trained observers working in different modalities corroborate the reports greatly minimizes such risks.
PARKLIFE!
"The facts that the estimated accelerations of encounters spanning over 50 years all fall within two orders of magnitude of one another and that they are far greater in magnitude than one would expect serve to further minimize the risks of fabrication or exaggeration. Furthermore, our acceleration estimates are similar to previous estimates of accelerations measured in other encounters, such as the accelerations ranging from 175m/s2 to 4407m/s2 (17.9g to 450g) estimated from radar data obtained during the 1968 Minot AFB encounter in North Dakota, USA [28].
PARKLIFE!
"In addition, the German physicist Hermann Oberth, one of the founding fathers of astronautics and rocketry, gave a lecture on UFOs in 1954 in which he reported the top measured speed to be 19km/s [29], or Mach 55, which is comparable to the maximum speed of ∼Mach 60 we estimated in Section 2.4.1 from the radar observations of Senior Chief Day on the USS Princeton during the 2004 Nimitz encounters."
All the people So many people And hey all go hand-in-hand Hand-in-hand through their parklife
Know what I mean?
The recent moves in the US have been quite baffling. Your points above - if one of them is based on facts it'd be good (not suggesting that you're not accurately reporting of course).
The problem of it is why? The chances of ET being roughly in our technological league is almost zero. We've evloved over billions of years, but the technical window has been in the thousands. Why would they coincide.
The idea that ET needs to mess about flying drone like things in the oceans and is just a few steps ahead of us, and doesn't have the technology to just observe remotely or not be seen, well that's sort of incredible (in the literal sense).
They're out there, but I would be astonished if we spotted them. Nearly 100 percent chance is that first contact will be them saying hello. (And incidentally, as I posted some weeks ago all this chaff could be the governments sizing us up for the real thing - hugely low probability, but more likely than most ET stuff)
It's the US playing games. Why, I cannot think. It looks like fairly simple hologram technology being used. A case of having cool kit and having to think of a use for it?
The fight of the media against Trump is really starting to worry me. Mike posted in a header the other day that he fears for US democracy. I have no such fears unless democracy can credibly seem to have been suppressed. The Republican's had some small case about voting irregularities - although it absolutely was just the normal crap rather than anything untoward, but if the 'left wing' media are seen to be cutting off free speech then it's not a good thing.
I'd quite like it if Trump could just post whatever he likes.
"We have carefully considered a handful of encounters with UAVs of unknown nature and origin. Reports of the encounters have described these UAVs as having “amazing” or “impossible” flight characteristics. In this paper, we objectively quantified the observed accelerations. In some situations, the information available consisted of eyewitness descriptions.
PARKLIFE!
"However, in each of these cases the eyewitnesses were trained observers, and these encounters were selected because they involved multiple witnesses observing in multiple modalities including visual contact from pilots and passengers, radar, and infrared video. While fabrication and exaggeration cannot be ruled out, the fact that multiple professional trained observers working in different modalities corroborate the reports greatly minimizes such risks.
PARKLIFE!
"The facts that the estimated accelerations of encounters spanning over 50 years all fall within two orders of magnitude of one another and that they are far greater in magnitude than one would expect serve to further minimize the risks of fabrication or exaggeration. Furthermore, our acceleration estimates are similar to previous estimates of accelerations measured in other encounters, such as the accelerations ranging from 175m/s2 to 4407m/s2 (17.9g to 450g) estimated from radar data obtained during the 1968 Minot AFB encounter in North Dakota, USA [28].
PARKLIFE!
"In addition, the German physicist Hermann Oberth, one of the founding fathers of astronautics and rocketry, gave a lecture on UFOs in 1954 in which he reported the top measured speed to be 19km/s [29], or Mach 55, which is comparable to the maximum speed of ∼Mach 60 we estimated in Section 2.4.1 from the radar observations of Senior Chief Day on the USS Princeton during the 2004 Nimitz encounters."
All the people So many people And hey all go hand-in-hand Hand-in-hand through their parklife
Know what I mean?
The recent moves in the US have been quite baffling. Your points above - if one of them is based on facts it'd be good (not suggesting that you're not accurately reporting of course).
The problem of it is why? The chances of ET being roughly in our technological league is almost zero. We've evloved over billions of years, but the technical window has been in the thousands. Why would they coincide.
The idea that ET needs to mess about flying drone like things in the oceans and is just a few steps ahead of us, and doesn't have the technology to just observe remotely or not be seen, well that's sort of incredible (in the literal sense).
They're out there, but I would be astonished if we spotted them. Nearly 100 percent chance is that first contact will be them saying hello. (And incidentally, as I posted some weeks ago all this chaff could be the governments sizing us up for the real thing - hugely low probability, but more likely than most ET stuff)
You also missed the summary and main conclusion of this paper, which is that, if these vehicles can carry on accelerating as they appear to do, they might easily be capable of Faster Than Light travel, solving that How Did They Get Here problem
They are waaaaaaaay in advance of us, if "they" exist
I wholly agree that this all sounds insane, but any explanation of this sounds insane, and it is lots more fun to talk about than dying people in Blackburn
"We have carefully considered a handful of encounters with UAVs of unknown nature and origin. Reports of the encounters have described these UAVs as having “amazing” or “impossible” flight characteristics. In this paper, we objectively quantified the observed accelerations. In some situations, the information available consisted of eyewitness descriptions.
PARKLIFE!
"However, in each of these cases the eyewitnesses were trained observers, and these encounters were selected because they involved multiple witnesses observing in multiple modalities including visual contact from pilots and passengers, radar, and infrared video. While fabrication and exaggeration cannot be ruled out, the fact that multiple professional trained observers working in different modalities corroborate the reports greatly minimizes such risks.
PARKLIFE!
"The facts that the estimated accelerations of encounters spanning over 50 years all fall within two orders of magnitude of one another and that they are far greater in magnitude than one would expect serve to further minimize the risks of fabrication or exaggeration. Furthermore, our acceleration estimates are similar to previous estimates of accelerations measured in other encounters, such as the accelerations ranging from 175m/s2 to 4407m/s2 (17.9g to 450g) estimated from radar data obtained during the 1968 Minot AFB encounter in North Dakota, USA [28].
PARKLIFE!
"In addition, the German physicist Hermann Oberth, one of the founding fathers of astronautics and rocketry, gave a lecture on UFOs in 1954 in which he reported the top measured speed to be 19km/s [29], or Mach 55, which is comparable to the maximum speed of ∼Mach 60 we estimated in Section 2.4.1 from the radar observations of Senior Chief Day on the USS Princeton during the 2004 Nimitz encounters."
All the people So many people And hey all go hand-in-hand Hand-in-hand through their parklife
Know what I mean?
The recent moves in the US have been quite baffling. Your points above - if one of them is based on facts it'd be good (not suggesting that you're not accurately reporting of course).
The problem of it is why? The chances of ET being roughly in our technological league is almost zero. We've evloved over billions of years, but the technical window has been in the thousands. Why would they coincide.
The idea that ET needs to mess about flying drone like things in the oceans and is just a few steps ahead of us, and doesn't have the technology to just observe remotely or not be seen, well that's sort of incredible (in the literal sense).
They're out there, but I would be astonished if we spotted them. Nearly 100 percent chance is that first contact will be them saying hello. (And incidentally, as I posted some weeks ago all this chaff could be the governments sizing us up for the real thing - hugely low probability, but more likely than most ET stuff)
It's the US playing games. Why, I cannot think. It looks like fairly simple hologram technology being used. A case of having cool kit and having to think of a use for it?
To the extent that the Pentagon would lie to Congress, and present a fake report, inventing UFOs? Really?
@DarrenGBNews UK has signed a post-Brexit trade deal with Norway, Iceland and Liechtenstein
Government claim agreement, is worth £21bn and will "slash tariffs on high-quality British food and farm products and support jobs in every area of our country"
Sounds like it goes further than the deal we had with them as EU members too?
Liz Truss really has done a fantastic job, and Brexit is really going as well as I could have hoped for.
‘David Henig, a former UK government trade official who is now director of the UK Trade Policy Project, said: “This UK-EEA free trade agreement provides better trading conditions than World Trade Organization terms, though with considerably more trade barriers when compared with the previous single market relationship.
“There are some useful provisions for UK business such as on professional qualifications or digital trade, but there will also be many difficulties as we see with the similar UK-EU trade and cooperation agreement. Overall this is quite a standard free trade agreement, with limited economic value.”’
Looking at the case rates today one can only say praise be we have so many vaccinated. Otherwise, this looks like the start of what would have been a brutal third wave. Just got to avoid it myself now.
Yep.
Squeaky bum time for the vaccines. We’re about to find out how effective they really are.
We already have - 2 jabs and you are very, very unlikely to end up in hospital. The rise in cases is all in the younger, unvaccinated groups.
Which is why I'm not seeing much of a threat to the roadmap. I'll be surprised if serious domestic legal restrictions persist beyond 21st June.
The other issue is, will people obey them? We all obeyed lockdowns because - a few nutters apart - we all saw it was needed and was about the only thing to do if hundreds of thousands more weren’t to die.
But if somebody tells me I have to wear a mask because some drug addled fool on Indie Sage thinks there might potentially be a problem if I don’t?
I think it’s optimistic to assume that will be followed.
I've seen a lot of mask refuseniks over the past week. Loads of people on the tube and trains just not obeying the rules. The £6400 fine makes me smile. How is that a proportionate response to the issue? It just goes to show that the government got drunk on power, as they inevitably would in the situation they found themselves in. The rules must be lifted, or else it will never end as there will always be a reason to protect the NHS.
You can’t fine someone for not wearing a mask. Anyone can declare themselves exempt and cannot, by law, be ordered to show proof of exemption.
Is that actually the case? I knew that I could diagnose myself with a self identified disability that would make me exempt (ie mask aversion due to anxiety), I just wonder how it would work out in practice if I was challenged on the train. The main point is still valid though, how is a £6400 fine proportionate if I just forgot my mask or it broke at some point on my trip.
You would be discriminating against somebody with a disability by demanding they prove it.
So, yes.
This came up at a school in Staffs where one of the parents was an equalities lawyer. They demanded he prove his daughter was exempt. It did not end well for the school.
@DarrenGBNews UK has signed a post-Brexit trade deal with Norway, Iceland and Liechtenstein
Government claim agreement, is worth £21bn and will "slash tariffs on high-quality British food and farm products and support jobs in every area of our country"
Sounds like it goes further than the deal we had with them as EU members too?
Liz Truss really has done a fantastic job, and Brexit is really going as well as I could have hoped for.
‘David Henig, a former UK government trade official who is now director of the UK Trade Policy Project, said: “This UK-EEA free trade agreement provides better trading conditions than World Trade Organization terms, though with considerably more trade barriers when compared with the previous single market relationship.
“There are some useful provisions for UK business such as on professional qualifications or digital trade, but there will also be many difficulties as we see with the similar UK-EU trade and cooperation agreement. Overall this is quite a standard free trade agreement, with limited economic value.”’
The fight of the media against Trump is really starting to worry me. Mike posted in a header the other day that he fears for US democracy. I have no such fears unless democracy can credibly seem to have been suppressed. The Republican's had some small case about voting irregularities - although it absolutely was just the normal crap rather than anything untoward, but if the 'left wing' media are seen to be cutting off free speech then it's not a good thing.
I'd quite like it if Trump could just post whatever he likes.
It's much worse now that Trump's Lab Leak theory looks credible, the same theory that Facebook literally prohibited, for a year, until Biden was elected
When Republicans want to say that the election was stolen, they can now point to that perversion of the truth, and they will have a good point.
@DarrenGBNews UK has signed a post-Brexit trade deal with Norway, Iceland and Liechtenstein
Government claim agreement, is worth £21bn and will "slash tariffs on high-quality British food and farm products and support jobs in every area of our country"
I’m sure I saw posts on here a couple of weeks ago because some minor Norwegian pol has mouthed off it was never going to happen and therefore Brexit was a disaster?
Hardly a triumph. Fruit hanging so low as to be already scraping the floor.
But good news, I suppose. And you can only beat what's in front of you.
I don't think that Govt claimed it was worth £21bn.
I'm sure they said "covers £21bn of trade".
The significant stuff seems to be mutual recognition of qualifications, and digital services.
The fish processing thing is because Norway fish has often been processed in UK en route to EU.
Have the EU calmed down wrt Norway fish yet? A few weeks ago they were accusing N of flagrant breaches of international law when the EU cod quota was reduced by a third in one sector.
@DarrenGBNews UK has signed a post-Brexit trade deal with Norway, Iceland and Liechtenstein
Government claim agreement, is worth £21bn and will "slash tariffs on high-quality British food and farm products and support jobs in every area of our country"
Sounds like it goes further than the deal we had with them as EU members too?
Liz Truss really has done a fantastic job, and Brexit is really going as well as I could have hoped for.
‘David Henig, a former UK government trade official who is now director of the UK Trade Policy Project, said: “This UK-EEA free trade agreement provides better trading conditions than World Trade Organization terms, though with considerably more trade barriers when compared with the previous single market relationship.
“There are some useful provisions for UK business such as on professional qualifications or digital trade, but there will also be many difficulties as we see with the similar UK-EU trade and cooperation agreement. Overall this is quite a standard free trade agreement, with limited economic value.”’
Poltico.com - Trump will remain off Facebook for at least two years The announcement comes its oversight board criticized the former president's indefinite ban.
Nice of them to turn his comeback into an event at the right point in the electoral cycle.
Yes. I favour a lifetime ban from all platforms - plus tape over the mouth - but I can't help worrying about the silence adding to his appeal with some. It can create a mystique and a sense of outlaw glamour. One remembers how the Pistols went straight to number 1 when "Anarchy in the UK" was banned. Or the Stone Roses coming back to riotous demand after years of absence. Or - and this is perhaps the closest analogy to Donald Trump - the long sabbatical of Kate Bush. When she reemerged people went nuts.
Looking at the case rates today one can only say praise be we have so many vaccinated. Otherwise, this looks like the start of what would have been a brutal third wave. Just got to avoid it myself now.
Yep.
Squeaky bum time for the vaccines. We’re about to find out how effective they really are.
We already have - 2 jabs and you are very, very unlikely to end up in hospital. The rise in cases is all in the younger, unvaccinated groups.
Which is why I'm not seeing much of a threat to the roadmap. I'll be surprised if serious domestic legal restrictions persist beyond 21st June.
The other issue is, will people obey them? We all obeyed lockdowns because - a few nutters apart - we all saw it was needed and was about the only thing to do if hundreds of thousands more weren’t to die.
But if somebody tells me I have to wear a mask because some drug addled fool on Indie Sage thinks there might potentially be a problem if I don’t?
I think it’s optimistic to assume that will be followed.
I've seen a lot of mask refuseniks over the past week. Loads of people on the tube and trains just not obeying the rules. The £6400 fine makes me smile. How is that a proportionate response to the issue? It just goes to show that the government got drunk on power, as they inevitably would in the situation they found themselves in. The rules must be lifted, or else it will never end as there will always be a reason to protect the NHS.
You can’t fine someone for not wearing a mask. Anyone can declare themselves exempt and cannot, by law, be ordered to show proof of exemption.
Is that actually the case? I knew that I could diagnose myself with a self identified disability that would make me exempt (ie mask aversion due to anxiety), I just wonder how it would work out in practice if I was challenged on the train. The main point is still valid though, how is a £6400 fine proportionate if I just forgot my mask or it broke at some point on my trip.
On this, there was an argument on the bus today about this.
Guy gets on the bus (fat, 50s I'd say but could be younger) shouting at a teenage boy about not wearing a mask and then challenging the bus driver to force the boy to wear one.
Woman from Barcelona (not wearing a mask as she was apparently exempt) then starts shouting at the man to get off the bus and to leave the boy alone. Says he wouldn't challenge a man.
Then woman on the bus starts challenging the woman from Barcelona about making matters worse. One or two other passengers then join in, telling the guy to get off the bus because they have to get to work.
Guy eventually gets off the bus, gets back on at the exit door and tells the woman from Barcelona she is a very bad person and evil, and he will see her again. Woman from Barcelona then tells him good and comments on his fatness. Then continues the argument with the woman who criticised her.
"We have carefully considered a handful of encounters with UAVs of unknown nature and origin. Reports of the encounters have described these UAVs as having “amazing” or “impossible” flight characteristics. In this paper, we objectively quantified the observed accelerations. In some situations, the information available consisted of eyewitness descriptions.
PARKLIFE!
"However, in each of these cases the eyewitnesses were trained observers, and these encounters were selected because they involved multiple witnesses observing in multiple modalities including visual contact from pilots and passengers, radar, and infrared video. While fabrication and exaggeration cannot be ruled out, the fact that multiple professional trained observers working in different modalities corroborate the reports greatly minimizes such risks.
PARKLIFE!
"The facts that the estimated accelerations of encounters spanning over 50 years all fall within two orders of magnitude of one another and that they are far greater in magnitude than one would expect serve to further minimize the risks of fabrication or exaggeration. Furthermore, our acceleration estimates are similar to previous estimates of accelerations measured in other encounters, such as the accelerations ranging from 175m/s2 to 4407m/s2 (17.9g to 450g) estimated from radar data obtained during the 1968 Minot AFB encounter in North Dakota, USA [28].
PARKLIFE!
"In addition, the German physicist Hermann Oberth, one of the founding fathers of astronautics and rocketry, gave a lecture on UFOs in 1954 in which he reported the top measured speed to be 19km/s [29], or Mach 55, which is comparable to the maximum speed of ∼Mach 60 we estimated in Section 2.4.1 from the radar observations of Senior Chief Day on the USS Princeton during the 2004 Nimitz encounters."
All the people So many people And hey all go hand-in-hand Hand-in-hand through their parklife
Know what I mean?
The recent moves in the US have been quite baffling. Your points above - if one of them is based on facts it'd be good (not suggesting that you're not accurately reporting of course).
The problem of it is why? The chances of ET being roughly in our technological league is almost zero. We've evloved over billions of years, but the technical window has been in the thousands. Why would they coincide.
The idea that ET needs to mess about flying drone like things in the oceans and is just a few steps ahead of us, and doesn't have the technology to just observe remotely or not be seen, well that's sort of incredible (in the literal sense).
They're out there, but I would be astonished if we spotted them. Nearly 100 percent chance is that first contact will be them saying hello. (And incidentally, as I posted some weeks ago all this chaff could be the governments sizing us up for the real thing - hugely low probability, but more likely than most ET stuff)
It's the US playing games. Why, I cannot think. It looks like fairly simple hologram technology being used. A case of having cool kit and having to think of a use for it?
Holograms! You lot are hilarious.
If in the coming months we get a speech from Biden about all this, stating categorically that there is ultra technology on earth that is not from the US and not from any other country, what will you say? Hopefully the first thing you will say is “sorry moonshine, sorry Leon, thank you for trying to alert us to the biggest story of human history.”
Poltico.com - Trump will remain off Facebook for at least two years The announcement comes its oversight board criticized the former president's indefinite ban.
Nice of them to turn his comeback into an event at the right point in the electoral cycle.
Yes. I favour a lifetime ban from all platforms - plus tape over the mouth - but I can't help worrying about the silence adding to his appeal with some. It can create a mystique and a sense of outlaw glamour. One remembers how the Pistols went straight to number 1 when "Anarchy in the UK" was banned. Or the Stone Roses coming back to riotous demand after years of absence. Or - and this is perhaps the closest analogy to Donald Trump - the long sabbatical of Kate Bush. When she reemerged people went nuts.
Don't forget Frankie Goes to Hollywood and "Relax". Heading for mid-chart obscurity until Mike Read banned it and launched it to Number 1.
Not sure about the Kate Bush / Trump analogy. That's a stretch too far.
"We have carefully considered a handful of encounters with UAVs of unknown nature and origin. Reports of the encounters have described these UAVs as having “amazing” or “impossible” flight characteristics. In this paper, we objectively quantified the observed accelerations. In some situations, the information available consisted of eyewitness descriptions.
PARKLIFE!
"However, in each of these cases the eyewitnesses were trained observers, and these encounters were selected because they involved multiple witnesses observing in multiple modalities including visual contact from pilots and passengers, radar, and infrared video. While fabrication and exaggeration cannot be ruled out, the fact that multiple professional trained observers working in different modalities corroborate the reports greatly minimizes such risks.
PARKLIFE!
"The facts that the estimated accelerations of encounters spanning over 50 years all fall within two orders of magnitude of one another and that they are far greater in magnitude than one would expect serve to further minimize the risks of fabrication or exaggeration. Furthermore, our acceleration estimates are similar to previous estimates of accelerations measured in other encounters, such as the accelerations ranging from 175m/s2 to 4407m/s2 (17.9g to 450g) estimated from radar data obtained during the 1968 Minot AFB encounter in North Dakota, USA [28].
PARKLIFE!
"In addition, the German physicist Hermann Oberth, one of the founding fathers of astronautics and rocketry, gave a lecture on UFOs in 1954 in which he reported the top measured speed to be 19km/s [29], or Mach 55, which is comparable to the maximum speed of ∼Mach 60 we estimated in Section 2.4.1 from the radar observations of Senior Chief Day on the USS Princeton during the 2004 Nimitz encounters."
All the people So many people And hey all go hand-in-hand Hand-in-hand through their parklife
Know what I mean?
The recent moves in the US have been quite baffling. Your points above - if one of them is based on facts it'd be good (not suggesting that you're not accurately reporting of course).
The problem of it is why? The chances of ET being roughly in our technological league is almost zero. We've evloved over billions of years, but the technical window has been in the thousands. Why would they coincide.
The idea that ET needs to mess about flying drone like things in the oceans and is just a few steps ahead of us, and doesn't have the technology to just observe remotely or not be seen, well that's sort of incredible (in the literal sense).
They're out there, but I would be astonished if we spotted them. Nearly 100 percent chance is that first contact will be them saying hello. (And incidentally, as I posted some weeks ago all this chaff could be the governments sizing us up for the real thing - hugely low probability, but more likely than most ET stuff)
It's the US playing games. Why, I cannot think. It looks like fairly simple hologram technology being used. A case of having cool kit and having to think of a use for it?
To the extent that the Pentagon would lie to Congress, and present a fake report, inventing UFOs? Really?
That's pretty out there as a conspiracy theory
This is now the great irony. Leave to one side the evidence that we’ve all seen on YouTube. To explain away the statements from US officials now requires a greater conspiracy theory than accepting they are saying it as they see it. Holograms!! This was literally the plot from the last Spiderman movie.
Looking at the case rates today one can only say praise be we have so many vaccinated. Otherwise, this looks like the start of what would have been a brutal third wave. Just got to avoid it myself now.
Yep.
Squeaky bum time for the vaccines. We’re about to find out how effective they really are.
We already have - 2 jabs and you are very, very unlikely to end up in hospital. The rise in cases is all in the younger, unvaccinated groups.
Which is why I'm not seeing much of a threat to the roadmap. I'll be surprised if serious domestic legal restrictions persist beyond 21st June.
The other issue is, will people obey them? We all obeyed lockdowns because - a few nutters apart - we all saw it was needed and was about the only thing to do if hundreds of thousands more weren’t to die.
But if somebody tells me I have to wear a mask because some drug addled fool on Indie Sage thinks there might potentially be a problem if I don’t?
I think it’s optimistic to assume that will be followed.
I've seen a lot of mask refuseniks over the past week. Loads of people on the tube and trains just not obeying the rules. The £6400 fine makes me smile. How is that a proportionate response to the issue? It just goes to show that the government got drunk on power, as they inevitably would in the situation they found themselves in. The rules must be lifted, or else it will never end as there will always be a reason to protect the NHS.
You can’t fine someone for not wearing a mask. Anyone can declare themselves exempt and cannot, by law, be ordered to show proof of exemption.
Is that actually the case? I knew that I could diagnose myself with a self identified disability that would make me exempt (ie mask aversion due to anxiety), I just wonder how it would work out in practice if I was challenged on the train. The main point is still valid though, how is a £6400 fine proportionate if I just forgot my mask or it broke at some point on my trip.
On this, there was an argument on the bus today about this.
Guy gets on the bus (fat, 50s I'd say but could be younger) shouting at a teenage boy about not wearing a mask and then challenging the bus driver to force the boy to wear one.
Woman from Barcelona (not wearing a mask as she was apparently exempt) then starts shouting at the man to get off the bus and to leave the boy alone. Says he wouldn't challenge a man.
Then woman on the bus starts challenging the woman from Barcelona about making matters worse. One or two other passengers then join in, telling the guy to get off the bus because they have to get to work.
Guy eventually gets off the bus, gets back on at the exit door and tells the woman from Barcelona she is a very bad person and evil, and he will see her again. Woman from Barcelona then tells him good and comments on his fatness. Then continues the argument with the woman who criticised her.
Covid really has brought out the worst in people.
Oddly, I was thinking how much more cheerful and relaxed everyone has been in the last few weeks.
Looking at the case rates today one can only say praise be we have so many vaccinated. Otherwise, this looks like the start of what would have been a brutal third wave. Just got to avoid it myself now.
Yep.
Squeaky bum time for the vaccines. We’re about to find out how effective they really are.
We already have - 2 jabs and you are very, very unlikely to end up in hospital. The rise in cases is all in the younger, unvaccinated groups.
Which is why I'm not seeing much of a threat to the roadmap. I'll be surprised if serious domestic legal restrictions persist beyond 21st June.
The other issue is, will people obey them? We all obeyed lockdowns because - a few nutters apart - we all saw it was needed and was about the only thing to do if hundreds of thousands more weren’t to die.
But if somebody tells me I have to wear a mask because some drug addled fool on Indie Sage thinks there might potentially be a problem if I don’t?
I think it’s optimistic to assume that will be followed.
I've seen a lot of mask refuseniks over the past week. Loads of people on the tube and trains just not obeying the rules. The £6400 fine makes me smile. How is that a proportionate response to the issue? It just goes to show that the government got drunk on power, as they inevitably would in the situation they found themselves in. The rules must be lifted, or else it will never end as there will always be a reason to protect the NHS.
You can’t fine someone for not wearing a mask. Anyone can declare themselves exempt and cannot, by law, be ordered to show proof of exemption.
Is that actually the case? I knew that I could diagnose myself with a self identified disability that would make me exempt (ie mask aversion due to anxiety), I just wonder how it would work out in practice if I was challenged on the train. The main point is still valid though, how is a £6400 fine proportionate if I just forgot my mask or it broke at some point on my trip.
On this, there was an argument on the bus today about this.
Guy gets on the bus (fat, 50s I'd say but could be younger) shouting at a teenage boy about not wearing a mask and then challenging the bus driver to force the boy to wear one.
Woman from Barcelona (not wearing a mask as she was apparently exempt) then starts shouting at the man to get off the bus and to leave the boy alone. Says he wouldn't challenge a man.
Then woman on the bus starts challenging the woman from Barcelona about making matters worse. One or two other passengers then join in, telling the guy to get off the bus because they have to get to work.
Guy eventually gets off the bus, gets back on at the exit door and tells the woman from Barcelona she is a very bad person and evil, and he will see her again. Woman from Barcelona then tells him good and comments on his fatness. Then continues the argument with the woman who criticised her.
Covid really has brought out the worst in people.
This is why I don't normally travel by bus; switched to bike a few years ago and never looked back.
"We have carefully considered a handful of encounters with UAVs of unknown nature and origin. Reports of the encounters have described these UAVs as having “amazing” or “impossible” flight characteristics. In this paper, we objectively quantified the observed accelerations. In some situations, the information available consisted of eyewitness descriptions.
PARKLIFE!
"However, in each of these cases the eyewitnesses were trained observers, and these encounters were selected because they involved multiple witnesses observing in multiple modalities including visual contact from pilots and passengers, radar, and infrared video. While fabrication and exaggeration cannot be ruled out, the fact that multiple professional trained observers working in different modalities corroborate the reports greatly minimizes such risks.
PARKLIFE!
"The facts that the estimated accelerations of encounters spanning over 50 years all fall within two orders of magnitude of one another and that they are far greater in magnitude than one would expect serve to further minimize the risks of fabrication or exaggeration. Furthermore, our acceleration estimates are similar to previous estimates of accelerations measured in other encounters, such as the accelerations ranging from 175m/s2 to 4407m/s2 (17.9g to 450g) estimated from radar data obtained during the 1968 Minot AFB encounter in North Dakota, USA [28].
PARKLIFE!
"In addition, the German physicist Hermann Oberth, one of the founding fathers of astronautics and rocketry, gave a lecture on UFOs in 1954 in which he reported the top measured speed to be 19km/s [29], or Mach 55, which is comparable to the maximum speed of ∼Mach 60 we estimated in Section 2.4.1 from the radar observations of Senior Chief Day on the USS Princeton during the 2004 Nimitz encounters."
All the people So many people And hey all go hand-in-hand Hand-in-hand through their parklife
Know what I mean?
The recent moves in the US have been quite baffling. Your points above - if one of them is based on facts it'd be good (not suggesting that you're not accurately reporting of course).
The problem of it is why? The chances of ET being roughly in our technological league is almost zero. We've evloved over billions of years, but the technical window has been in the thousands. Why would they coincide.
The idea that ET needs to mess about flying drone like things in the oceans and is just a few steps ahead of us, and doesn't have the technology to just observe remotely or not be seen, well that's sort of incredible (in the literal sense).
They're out there, but I would be astonished if we spotted them. Nearly 100 percent chance is that first contact will be them saying hello. (And incidentally, as I posted some weeks ago all this chaff could be the governments sizing us up for the real thing - hugely low probability, but more likely than most ET stuff)
It's the US playing games. Why, I cannot think. It looks like fairly simple hologram technology being used. A case of having cool kit and having to think of a use for it?
Holograms! You lot are hilarious.
If in the coming months we get a speech from Biden about all this, stating categorically that there is ultra technology on earth that is not from the US and not from any other country, what will you say? Hopefully the first thing you will say is “sorry moonshine, sorry Leon, thank you for trying to alert us to the biggest story of human history.”
But then what?
Not just holograms, mate - "fairly simple holograms"
Doh! Why didn't the US Navy, the CIA, the USAF, the DoD, and the Pentagon not realise these are just "fairly simple holograms".. which apparently appear on radar?!
Looking at the case rates today one can only say praise be we have so many vaccinated. Otherwise, this looks like the start of what would have been a brutal third wave. Just got to avoid it myself now.
Yep.
Squeaky bum time for the vaccines. We’re about to find out how effective they really are.
We already have - 2 jabs and you are very, very unlikely to end up in hospital. The rise in cases is all in the younger, unvaccinated groups.
Which is why I'm not seeing much of a threat to the roadmap. I'll be surprised if serious domestic legal restrictions persist beyond 21st June.
The other issue is, will people obey them? We all obeyed lockdowns because - a few nutters apart - we all saw it was needed and was about the only thing to do if hundreds of thousands more weren’t to die.
But if somebody tells me I have to wear a mask because some drug addled fool on Indie Sage thinks there might potentially be a problem if I don’t?
I think it’s optimistic to assume that will be followed.
I've seen a lot of mask refuseniks over the past week. Loads of people on the tube and trains just not obeying the rules. The £6400 fine makes me smile. How is that a proportionate response to the issue? It just goes to show that the government got drunk on power, as they inevitably would in the situation they found themselves in. The rules must be lifted, or else it will never end as there will always be a reason to protect the NHS.
You can’t fine someone for not wearing a mask. Anyone can declare themselves exempt and cannot, by law, be ordered to show proof of exemption.
Is that actually the case? I knew that I could diagnose myself with a self identified disability that would make me exempt (ie mask aversion due to anxiety), I just wonder how it would work out in practice if I was challenged on the train. The main point is still valid though, how is a £6400 fine proportionate if I just forgot my mask or it broke at some point on my trip.
On this, there was an argument on the bus today about this.
Guy gets on the bus (fat, 50s I'd say but could be younger) shouting at a teenage boy about not wearing a mask and then challenging the bus driver to force the boy to wear one.
Woman from Barcelona (not wearing a mask as she was apparently exempt) then starts shouting at the man to get off the bus and to leave the boy alone. Says he wouldn't challenge a man.
Then woman on the bus starts challenging the woman from Barcelona about making matters worse. One or two other passengers then join in, telling the guy to get off the bus because they have to get to work.
Guy eventually gets off the bus, gets back on at the exit door and tells the woman from Barcelona she is a very bad person and evil, and he will see her again. Woman from Barcelona then tells him good and comments on his fatness. Then continues the argument with the woman who criticised her.
Covid really has brought out the worst in people.
This is why I don't normally travel by bus; switched to bike a few years ago and never looked back.
Very reckless of you. You should always look back particularly before turning.
The fight of the media against Trump is really starting to worry me. Mike posted in a header the other day that he fears for US democracy. I have no such fears unless democracy can credibly seem to have been suppressed. The Republican's had some small case about voting irregularities - although it absolutely was just the normal crap rather than anything untoward, but if the 'left wing' media are seen to be cutting off free speech then it's not a good thing.
I'd quite like it if Trump could just post whatever he likes.
It's much worse now that Trump's Lab Leak theory looks credible, the same theory that Facebook literally prohibited, for a year, until Biden was elected
When Republicans want to say that the election was stolen, they can now point to that perversion of the truth, and they will have a good point.
As much as I will be accused of being biased, that is a good point.
If the lab theory leak gains much more ground, especially around the bio-weapon theory, then it will have big reverberations around the world but particularly in the United States where the media was already on shaky ground with their treatment of the Hunter Biden story.
Added into that mix, it is likely that the election was stolen theory will rear its head again given what is happening in Arizona and Georgia.
I think the US is in for a febrile political atmosphere in 2021.
@DarrenGBNews UK has signed a post-Brexit trade deal with Norway, Iceland and Liechtenstein
Government claim agreement, is worth £21bn and will "slash tariffs on high-quality British food and farm products and support jobs in every area of our country"
Sounds like it goes further than the deal we had with them as EU members too?
Liz Truss really has done a fantastic job, and Brexit is really going as well as I could have hoped for.
‘David Henig, a former UK government trade official who is now director of the UK Trade Policy Project, said: “This UK-EEA free trade agreement provides better trading conditions than World Trade Organization terms, though with considerably more trade barriers when compared with the previous single market relationship.
“There are some useful provisions for UK business such as on professional qualifications or digital trade, but there will also be many difficulties as we see with the similar UK-EU trade and cooperation agreement. Overall this is quite a standard free trade agreement, with limited economic value.”’
Looking at the case rates today one can only say praise be we have so many vaccinated. Otherwise, this looks like the start of what would have been a brutal third wave. Just got to avoid it myself now.
Yep.
Squeaky bum time for the vaccines. We’re about to find out how effective they really are.
We already have - 2 jabs and you are very, very unlikely to end up in hospital. The rise in cases is all in the younger, unvaccinated groups.
Which is why I'm not seeing much of a threat to the roadmap. I'll be surprised if serious domestic legal restrictions persist beyond 21st June.
The other issue is, will people obey them? We all obeyed lockdowns because - a few nutters apart - we all saw it was needed and was about the only thing to do if hundreds of thousands more weren’t to die.
But if somebody tells me I have to wear a mask because some drug addled fool on Indie Sage thinks there might potentially be a problem if I don’t?
I think it’s optimistic to assume that will be followed.
I've seen a lot of mask refuseniks over the past week. Loads of people on the tube and trains just not obeying the rules. The £6400 fine makes me smile. How is that a proportionate response to the issue? It just goes to show that the government got drunk on power, as they inevitably would in the situation they found themselves in. The rules must be lifted, or else it will never end as there will always be a reason to protect the NHS.
You can’t fine someone for not wearing a mask. Anyone can declare themselves exempt and cannot, by law, be ordered to show proof of exemption.
Is that actually the case? I knew that I could diagnose myself with a self identified disability that would make me exempt (ie mask aversion due to anxiety), I just wonder how it would work out in practice if I was challenged on the train. The main point is still valid though, how is a £6400 fine proportionate if I just forgot my mask or it broke at some point on my trip.
On this, there was an argument on the bus today about this.
Guy gets on the bus (fat, 50s I'd say but could be younger) shouting at a teenage boy about not wearing a mask and then challenging the bus driver to force the boy to wear one.
Woman from Barcelona (not wearing a mask as she was apparently exempt) then starts shouting at the man to get off the bus and to leave the boy alone. Says he wouldn't challenge a man.
Then woman on the bus starts challenging the woman from Barcelona about making matters worse. One or two other passengers then join in, telling the guy to get off the bus because they have to get to work.
Guy eventually gets off the bus, gets back on at the exit door and tells the woman from Barcelona she is a very bad person and evil, and he will see her again. Woman from Barcelona then tells him good and comments on his fatness. Then continues the argument with the woman who criticised her.
Covid really has brought out the worst in people.
Oddly, I was thinking how much more cheerful and relaxed everyone has been in the last few weeks.
Maybe it’s just a Staffs thing.
Well, I am in North London where people feel righteous enough where they can mouth off about anything and pontificate to their fellow human beings.
Looking at the case rates today one can only say praise be we have so many vaccinated. Otherwise, this looks like the start of what would have been a brutal third wave. Just got to avoid it myself now.
Yep.
Squeaky bum time for the vaccines. We’re about to find out how effective they really are.
We already have - 2 jabs and you are very, very unlikely to end up in hospital. The rise in cases is all in the younger, unvaccinated groups.
Which is why I'm not seeing much of a threat to the roadmap. I'll be surprised if serious domestic legal restrictions persist beyond 21st June.
The other issue is, will people obey them? We all obeyed lockdowns because - a few nutters apart - we all saw it was needed and was about the only thing to do if hundreds of thousands more weren’t to die.
But if somebody tells me I have to wear a mask because some drug addled fool on Indie Sage thinks there might potentially be a problem if I don’t?
I think it’s optimistic to assume that will be followed.
I've seen a lot of mask refuseniks over the past week. Loads of people on the tube and trains just not obeying the rules. The £6400 fine makes me smile. How is that a proportionate response to the issue? It just goes to show that the government got drunk on power, as they inevitably would in the situation they found themselves in. The rules must be lifted, or else it will never end as there will always be a reason to protect the NHS.
You can’t fine someone for not wearing a mask. Anyone can declare themselves exempt and cannot, by law, be ordered to show proof of exemption.
Is that actually the case? I knew that I could diagnose myself with a self identified disability that would make me exempt (ie mask aversion due to anxiety), I just wonder how it would work out in practice if I was challenged on the train. The main point is still valid though, how is a £6400 fine proportionate if I just forgot my mask or it broke at some point on my trip.
On this, there was an argument on the bus today about this.
Guy gets on the bus (fat, 50s I'd say but could be younger) shouting at a teenage boy about not wearing a mask and then challenging the bus driver to force the boy to wear one.
Woman from Barcelona (not wearing a mask as she was apparently exempt) then starts shouting at the man to get off the bus and to leave the boy alone. Says he wouldn't challenge a man.
Then woman on the bus starts challenging the woman from Barcelona about making matters worse. One or two other passengers then join in, telling the guy to get off the bus because they have to get to work.
Guy eventually gets off the bus, gets back on at the exit door and tells the woman from Barcelona she is a very bad person and evil, and he will see her again. Woman from Barcelona then tells him good and comments on his fatness. Then continues the argument with the woman who criticised her.
Covid really has brought out the worst in people.
This is why I don't normally travel by bus; switched to bike a few years ago and never looked back.
Smart move although the bus can be entertainment once in a while
While lauding it as the most comprehensive FTA negotiated by Norway, it does not compare to EEA membership: While the agreement ensures a predictable framework for Norwegian investors, exporters and services suppliers, it is not as comprehensive as the EEA Agreement. Prior to the UK’s withdrawal from the EU, the EEA Agreement provided for free movement of goods, services, capital and people between Norway and the UK. No free trade agreement will provide the same access to the UK market. Nor will it dismantle all the trade barriers that have been removed under the EEA Agreement. The free trade agreement does not set out a common set of rules and principles of mutual recognition that facilitate free movement, which is a cornerstone of the EEA Agreement.
‘The agreement establishes an important framework for supporting and developing economic cooperation between Norway and the UK, but it does not replace the comprehensive arrangements we enjoyed under the EEA Agreement,’ said Minister of Foreign Affairs Ine Eriksen Søreide.
"We have carefully considered a handful of encounters with UAVs of unknown nature and origin. Reports of the encounters have described these UAVs as having “amazing” or “impossible” flight characteristics. In this paper, we objectively quantified the observed accelerations. In some situations, the information available consisted of eyewitness descriptions.
PARKLIFE!
"However, in each of these cases the eyewitnesses were trained observers, and these encounters were selected because they involved multiple witnesses observing in multiple modalities including visual contact from pilots and passengers, radar, and infrared video. While fabrication and exaggeration cannot be ruled out, the fact that multiple professional trained observers working in different modalities corroborate the reports greatly minimizes such risks.
PARKLIFE!
"The facts that the estimated accelerations of encounters spanning over 50 years all fall within two orders of magnitude of one another and that they are far greater in magnitude than one would expect serve to further minimize the risks of fabrication or exaggeration. Furthermore, our acceleration estimates are similar to previous estimates of accelerations measured in other encounters, such as the accelerations ranging from 175m/s2 to 4407m/s2 (17.9g to 450g) estimated from radar data obtained during the 1968 Minot AFB encounter in North Dakota, USA [28].
PARKLIFE!
"In addition, the German physicist Hermann Oberth, one of the founding fathers of astronautics and rocketry, gave a lecture on UFOs in 1954 in which he reported the top measured speed to be 19km/s [29], or Mach 55, which is comparable to the maximum speed of ∼Mach 60 we estimated in Section 2.4.1 from the radar observations of Senior Chief Day on the USS Princeton during the 2004 Nimitz encounters."
All the people So many people And hey all go hand-in-hand Hand-in-hand through their parklife
Know what I mean?
The recent moves in the US have been quite baffling. Your points above - if one of them is based on facts it'd be good (not suggesting that you're not accurately reporting of course).
The problem of it is why? The chances of ET being roughly in our technological league is almost zero. We've evloved over billions of years, but the technical window has been in the thousands. Why would they coincide.
The idea that ET needs to mess about flying drone like things in the oceans and is just a few steps ahead of us, and doesn't have the technology to just observe remotely or not be seen, well that's sort of incredible (in the literal sense).
They're out there, but I would be astonished if we spotted them. Nearly 100 percent chance is that first contact will be them saying hello. (And incidentally, as I posted some weeks ago all this chaff could be the governments sizing us up for the real thing - hugely low probability, but more likely than most ET stuff)
It's the US playing games. Why, I cannot think. It looks like fairly simple hologram technology being used. A case of having cool kit and having to think of a use for it?
Holograms! You lot are hilarious.
If in the coming months we get a speech from Biden about all this, stating categorically that there is ultra technology on earth that is not from the US and not from any other country, what will you say? Hopefully the first thing you will say is “sorry moonshine, sorry Leon, thank you for trying to alert us to the biggest story of human history.”
But then what?
Not just holograms, mate - "fairly simple holograms"
Doh! Why didn't the US Navy, the CIA, the USAF, the DoD, and the Pentagon not realise these are just "fairly simple holograms".. which apparently appear on radar?!
What are these holograms being projected from to appear over the pacific ocean? How about a drone that can project a 360° HD hologram around itself. And can fly at 14,000mph. Oh.
Looking at the case rates today one can only say praise be we have so many vaccinated. Otherwise, this looks like the start of what would have been a brutal third wave. Just got to avoid it myself now.
Yep.
Squeaky bum time for the vaccines. We’re about to find out how effective they really are.
We already have - 2 jabs and you are very, very unlikely to end up in hospital. The rise in cases is all in the younger, unvaccinated groups.
Which is why I'm not seeing much of a threat to the roadmap. I'll be surprised if serious domestic legal restrictions persist beyond 21st June.
I'm glad you're keeping the faith. Because faced with a weak willed government advised by a monomaniacal sage, harangued by the insane gang of nihilists at isage, cheered on by the BBC and Sky and the opposition, when the deign to venture an opinion, it's very difficult to believe June 22nd will look any freer than June 20th.
Well we'll soon find out. I can imagine one or two measures sticking around for a while longer - just to be on the safe side - but if they decide on a serious deferral of the 'unlock', I really will be very surprised indeed.
That is exactly my position
Ah ha. And according to my impeccable records, on every occasion where you and I have coalesced - all 3 of them - the thing we have coalesced upon has come to pass. So that's it. 21/6. Done deal.
@DarrenGBNews UK has signed a post-Brexit trade deal with Norway, Iceland and Liechtenstein
Government claim agreement, is worth £21bn and will "slash tariffs on high-quality British food and farm products and support jobs in every area of our country"
Sounds like it goes further than the deal we had with them as EU members too?
Liz Truss really has done a fantastic job, and Brexit is really going as well as I could have hoped for.
‘David Henig, a former UK government trade official who is now director of the UK Trade Policy Project, said: “This UK-EEA free trade agreement provides better trading conditions than World Trade Organization terms, though with considerably more trade barriers when compared with the previous single market relationship.
“There are some useful provisions for UK business such as on professional qualifications or digital trade, but there will also be many difficulties as we see with the similar UK-EU trade and cooperation agreement. Overall this is quite a standard free trade agreement, with limited economic value.”’
Henig is from the "Independent SAGE" school of Brexit.
He's the media's go to contrarian, like Devi Sridhar.
There is no Independent SAGE for trade policy. Yet more bolleaux from self-proclaimed guru Philip Thompson.
Surprised you could not see the nuance of his comment to be honest
The nuance is that Philip has had enough of experts.
Experts have agendas and calling out an agenda by an expert is healthy
For me it is about who makes more sense.
I have read David Henig for a long time and while clearly anti-Brexit he is not hysterical.
Whereas Philip Thompson appears to be some kind of fantasist whose main activity appears to be posting on here. It is not clear what Philip is supposed to be an expert in.
"We have carefully considered a handful of encounters with UAVs of unknown nature and origin. Reports of the encounters have described these UAVs as having “amazing” or “impossible” flight characteristics. In this paper, we objectively quantified the observed accelerations. In some situations, the information available consisted of eyewitness descriptions.
PARKLIFE!
"However, in each of these cases the eyewitnesses were trained observers, and these encounters were selected because they involved multiple witnesses observing in multiple modalities including visual contact from pilots and passengers, radar, and infrared video. While fabrication and exaggeration cannot be ruled out, the fact that multiple professional trained observers working in different modalities corroborate the reports greatly minimizes such risks.
PARKLIFE!
"The facts that the estimated accelerations of encounters spanning over 50 years all fall within two orders of magnitude of one another and that they are far greater in magnitude than one would expect serve to further minimize the risks of fabrication or exaggeration. Furthermore, our acceleration estimates are similar to previous estimates of accelerations measured in other encounters, such as the accelerations ranging from 175m/s2 to 4407m/s2 (17.9g to 450g) estimated from radar data obtained during the 1968 Minot AFB encounter in North Dakota, USA [28].
PARKLIFE!
"In addition, the German physicist Hermann Oberth, one of the founding fathers of astronautics and rocketry, gave a lecture on UFOs in 1954 in which he reported the top measured speed to be 19km/s [29], or Mach 55, which is comparable to the maximum speed of ∼Mach 60 we estimated in Section 2.4.1 from the radar observations of Senior Chief Day on the USS Princeton during the 2004 Nimitz encounters."
All the people So many people And hey all go hand-in-hand Hand-in-hand through their parklife
Know what I mean?
The recent moves in the US have been quite baffling. Your points above - if one of them is based on facts it'd be good (not suggesting that you're not accurately reporting of course).
The problem of it is why? The chances of ET being roughly in our technological league is almost zero. We've evloved over billions of years, but the technical window has been in the thousands. Why would they coincide.
The idea that ET needs to mess about flying drone like things in the oceans and is just a few steps ahead of us, and doesn't have the technology to just observe remotely or not be seen, well that's sort of incredible (in the literal sense).
They're out there, but I would be astonished if we spotted them. Nearly 100 percent chance is that first contact will be them saying hello. (And incidentally, as I posted some weeks ago all this chaff could be the governments sizing us up for the real thing - hugely low probability, but more likely than most ET stuff)
It's the US playing games. Why, I cannot think. It looks like fairly simple hologram technology being used. A case of having cool kit and having to think of a use for it?
Holograms! You lot are hilarious.
If in the coming months we get a speech from Biden about all this, stating categorically that there is ultra technology on earth that is not from the US and not from any other country, what will you say? Hopefully the first thing you will say is “sorry moonshine, sorry Leon, thank you for trying to alert us to the biggest story of human history.”
But then what?
Not just holograms, mate - "fairly simple holograms"
Doh! Why didn't the US Navy, the CIA, the USAF, the DoD, and the Pentagon not realise these are just "fairly simple holograms".. which apparently appear on radar?!
What are these holograms being projected from to appear over the pacific ocean? How about a drone that can project a 360° HD hologram around itself. And can fly at 14,000mph. Oh.
Don't be stupid. All that is fairly simple to do. You can project a hologram to fly at 14,000 mph simply by crossing into another dimension where you have vastly superior technology then you come back and do that thing. Doddle
Looking at the case rates today one can only say praise be we have so many vaccinated. Otherwise, this looks like the start of what would have been a brutal third wave. Just got to avoid it myself now.
Yep.
Squeaky bum time for the vaccines. We’re about to find out how effective they really are.
We already have - 2 jabs and you are very, very unlikely to end up in hospital. The rise in cases is all in the younger, unvaccinated groups.
Which is why I'm not seeing much of a threat to the roadmap. I'll be surprised if serious domestic legal restrictions persist beyond 21st June.
The other issue is, will people obey them? We all obeyed lockdowns because - a few nutters apart - we all saw it was needed and was about the only thing to do if hundreds of thousands more weren’t to die.
But if somebody tells me I have to wear a mask because some drug addled fool on Indie Sage thinks there might potentially be a problem if I don’t?
I think it’s optimistic to assume that will be followed.
I've seen a lot of mask refuseniks over the past week. Loads of people on the tube and trains just not obeying the rules. The £6400 fine makes me smile. How is that a proportionate response to the issue? It just goes to show that the government got drunk on power, as they inevitably would in the situation they found themselves in. The rules must be lifted, or else it will never end as there will always be a reason to protect the NHS.
You can’t fine someone for not wearing a mask. Anyone can declare themselves exempt and cannot, by law, be ordered to show proof of exemption.
Is that actually the case? I knew that I could diagnose myself with a self identified disability that would make me exempt (ie mask aversion due to anxiety), I just wonder how it would work out in practice if I was challenged on the train. The main point is still valid though, how is a £6400 fine proportionate if I just forgot my mask or it broke at some point on my trip.
You would be discriminating against somebody with a disability by demanding they prove it.
So, yes.
This came up at a school in Staffs where one of the parents was an equalities lawyer. They demanded he prove his daughter was exempt. It did not end well for the school.
OK, I see. So the £6400 fine cannot actually be enforced unless you actually admit at some point that your failure to wear a mask is not due to a disability. What a brilliant country.
Just to keep track, Howard Beckett is the one who just spent £1.3m of Unite Members' money losing a libel action against a Labour MP when she offered him the opportunity of a free apology?
"We have carefully considered a handful of encounters with UAVs of unknown nature and origin. Reports of the encounters have described these UAVs as having “amazing” or “impossible” flight characteristics. In this paper, we objectively quantified the observed accelerations. In some situations, the information available consisted of eyewitness descriptions.
PARKLIFE!
"However, in each of these cases the eyewitnesses were trained observers, and these encounters were selected because they involved multiple witnesses observing in multiple modalities including visual contact from pilots and passengers, radar, and infrared video. While fabrication and exaggeration cannot be ruled out, the fact that multiple professional trained observers working in different modalities corroborate the reports greatly minimizes such risks.
PARKLIFE!
"The facts that the estimated accelerations of encounters spanning over 50 years all fall within two orders of magnitude of one another and that they are far greater in magnitude than one would expect serve to further minimize the risks of fabrication or exaggeration. Furthermore, our acceleration estimates are similar to previous estimates of accelerations measured in other encounters, such as the accelerations ranging from 175m/s2 to 4407m/s2 (17.9g to 450g) estimated from radar data obtained during the 1968 Minot AFB encounter in North Dakota, USA [28].
PARKLIFE!
"In addition, the German physicist Hermann Oberth, one of the founding fathers of astronautics and rocketry, gave a lecture on UFOs in 1954 in which he reported the top measured speed to be 19km/s [29], or Mach 55, which is comparable to the maximum speed of ∼Mach 60 we estimated in Section 2.4.1 from the radar observations of Senior Chief Day on the USS Princeton during the 2004 Nimitz encounters."
All the people So many people And hey all go hand-in-hand Hand-in-hand through their parklife
Know what I mean?
The recent moves in the US have been quite baffling. Your points above - if one of them is based on facts it'd be good (not suggesting that you're not accurately reporting of course).
The problem of it is why? The chances of ET being roughly in our technological league is almost zero. We've evloved over billions of years, but the technical window has been in the thousands. Why would they coincide.
The idea that ET needs to mess about flying drone like things in the oceans and is just a few steps ahead of us, and doesn't have the technology to just observe remotely or not be seen, well that's sort of incredible (in the literal sense).
They're out there, but I would be astonished if we spotted them. Nearly 100 percent chance is that first contact will be them saying hello. (And incidentally, as I posted some weeks ago all this chaff could be the governments sizing us up for the real thing - hugely low probability, but more likely than most ET stuff)
You are thinking about this properly. But your conclusion is out. Why do you think the first contact would be a startling and explicit “hello show me to your leader”?
If intelligent life is relatively abundant, our visitors would be quite practiced at introductions. And most likely, they’d have learnt that a few decades of teasing a bit of leg and then the suspenders before undoing the bra, is a whole lot less disruptive to complex societies like ours than just walking up naked and banging on the door. After all these decades of drip drip it’s still going to be mighty unsettling for most people if it’s confirmed.
Looking at the case rates today one can only say praise be we have so many vaccinated. Otherwise, this looks like the start of what would have been a brutal third wave. Just got to avoid it myself now.
Yep.
Squeaky bum time for the vaccines. We’re about to find out how effective they really are.
We already have - 2 jabs and you are very, very unlikely to end up in hospital. The rise in cases is all in the younger, unvaccinated groups.
Which is why I'm not seeing much of a threat to the roadmap. I'll be surprised if serious domestic legal restrictions persist beyond 21st June.
I'm glad you're keeping the faith. Because faced with a weak willed government advised by a monomaniacal sage, harangued by the insane gang of nihilists at isage, cheered on by the BBC and Sky and the opposition, when the deign to venture an opinion, it's very difficult to believe June 22nd will look any freer than June 20th.
Well we'll soon find out. I can imagine one or two measures sticking around for a while longer - just to be on the safe side - but if they decide on a serious deferral of the 'unlock', I really will be very surprised indeed.
That is exactly my position
Ah ha. And according to my impeccable records, on every occasion where you and I have coalesced - all 3 of them - the thing we have coalesced upon has come to pass. So that's it. 21/6. Done deal.
Indeed - 'great minds think alike' comes to mind !!!!
"We have carefully considered a handful of encounters with UAVs of unknown nature and origin. Reports of the encounters have described these UAVs as having “amazing” or “impossible” flight characteristics. In this paper, we objectively quantified the observed accelerations. In some situations, the information available consisted of eyewitness descriptions.
PARKLIFE!
"However, in each of these cases the eyewitnesses were trained observers, and these encounters were selected because they involved multiple witnesses observing in multiple modalities including visual contact from pilots and passengers, radar, and infrared video. While fabrication and exaggeration cannot be ruled out, the fact that multiple professional trained observers working in different modalities corroborate the reports greatly minimizes such risks.
PARKLIFE!
"The facts that the estimated accelerations of encounters spanning over 50 years all fall within two orders of magnitude of one another and that they are far greater in magnitude than one would expect serve to further minimize the risks of fabrication or exaggeration. Furthermore, our acceleration estimates are similar to previous estimates of accelerations measured in other encounters, such as the accelerations ranging from 175m/s2 to 4407m/s2 (17.9g to 450g) estimated from radar data obtained during the 1968 Minot AFB encounter in North Dakota, USA [28].
PARKLIFE!
"In addition, the German physicist Hermann Oberth, one of the founding fathers of astronautics and rocketry, gave a lecture on UFOs in 1954 in which he reported the top measured speed to be 19km/s [29], or Mach 55, which is comparable to the maximum speed of ∼Mach 60 we estimated in Section 2.4.1 from the radar observations of Senior Chief Day on the USS Princeton during the 2004 Nimitz encounters."
All the people So many people And hey all go hand-in-hand Hand-in-hand through their parklife
Know what I mean?
Speaking of "woke"
Girls who want boys Who like boys to be girls Who do boys like they're girls Who do girls like they're boys
"We have carefully considered a handful of encounters with UAVs of unknown nature and origin. Reports of the encounters have described these UAVs as having “amazing” or “impossible” flight characteristics. In this paper, we objectively quantified the observed accelerations. In some situations, the information available consisted of eyewitness descriptions.
PARKLIFE!
"However, in each of these cases the eyewitnesses were trained observers, and these encounters were selected because they involved multiple witnesses observing in multiple modalities including visual contact from pilots and passengers, radar, and infrared video. While fabrication and exaggeration cannot be ruled out, the fact that multiple professional trained observers working in different modalities corroborate the reports greatly minimizes such risks.
PARKLIFE!
"The facts that the estimated accelerations of encounters spanning over 50 years all fall within two orders of magnitude of one another and that they are far greater in magnitude than one would expect serve to further minimize the risks of fabrication or exaggeration. Furthermore, our acceleration estimates are similar to previous estimates of accelerations measured in other encounters, such as the accelerations ranging from 175m/s2 to 4407m/s2 (17.9g to 450g) estimated from radar data obtained during the 1968 Minot AFB encounter in North Dakota, USA [28].
PARKLIFE!
"In addition, the German physicist Hermann Oberth, one of the founding fathers of astronautics and rocketry, gave a lecture on UFOs in 1954 in which he reported the top measured speed to be 19km/s [29], or Mach 55, which is comparable to the maximum speed of ∼Mach 60 we estimated in Section 2.4.1 from the radar observations of Senior Chief Day on the USS Princeton during the 2004 Nimitz encounters."
All the people So many people And hey all go hand-in-hand Hand-in-hand through their parklife
Know what I mean?
The recent moves in the US have been quite baffling. Your points above - if one of them is based on facts it'd be good (not suggesting that you're not accurately reporting of course).
The problem of it is why? The chances of ET being roughly in our technological league is almost zero. We've evloved over billions of years, but the technical window has been in the thousands. Why would they coincide.
The idea that ET needs to mess about flying drone like things in the oceans and is just a few steps ahead of us, and doesn't have the technology to just observe remotely or not be seen, well that's sort of incredible (in the literal sense).
They're out there, but I would be astonished if we spotted them. Nearly 100 percent chance is that first contact will be them saying hello. (And incidentally, as I posted some weeks ago all this chaff could be the governments sizing us up for the real thing - hugely low probability, but more likely than most ET stuff)
You also missed the summary and main conclusion of this paper, which is that, if these vehicles can carry on accelerating as they appear to do, they might easily be capable of Faster Than Light travel, solving that How Did They Get Here problem
They are waaaaaaaay in advance of us, if "they" exist
I wholly agree that this all sounds insane, but any explanation of this sounds insane, and it is lots more fun to talk about than dying people in Blackburn
Both you and @moonshine continue to post on these things, and I'll continue to read.
IF (and this isn't just a big if it's the biggest if I've ever written) there is something in it then it'll be the biggest story ever, and the main bit of that will be politics. I both hope to and fear seeing such a thing in my lifetime. The fear is mainly about us rather than ET.
Looking at the case rates today one can only say praise be we have so many vaccinated. Otherwise, this looks like the start of what would have been a brutal third wave. Just got to avoid it myself now.
Yep.
Squeaky bum time for the vaccines. We’re about to find out how effective they really are.
We already have - 2 jabs and you are very, very unlikely to end up in hospital. The rise in cases is all in the younger, unvaccinated groups.
Which is why I'm not seeing much of a threat to the roadmap. I'll be surprised if serious domestic legal restrictions persist beyond 21st June.
The other issue is, will people obey them? We all obeyed lockdowns because - a few nutters apart - we all saw it was needed and was about the only thing to do if hundreds of thousands more weren’t to die.
But if somebody tells me I have to wear a mask because some drug addled fool on Indie Sage thinks there might potentially be a problem if I don’t?
I think it’s optimistic to assume that will be followed.
I've seen a lot of mask refuseniks over the past week. Loads of people on the tube and trains just not obeying the rules. The £6400 fine makes me smile. How is that a proportionate response to the issue? It just goes to show that the government got drunk on power, as they inevitably would in the situation they found themselves in. The rules must be lifted, or else it will never end as there will always be a reason to protect the NHS.
You can’t fine someone for not wearing a mask. Anyone can declare themselves exempt and cannot, by law, be ordered to show proof of exemption.
Is that actually the case? I knew that I could diagnose myself with a self identified disability that would make me exempt (ie mask aversion due to anxiety), I just wonder how it would work out in practice if I was challenged on the train. The main point is still valid though, how is a £6400 fine proportionate if I just forgot my mask or it broke at some point on my trip.
On this, there was an argument on the bus today about this.
Guy gets on the bus (fat, 50s I'd say but could be younger) shouting at a teenage boy about not wearing a mask and then challenging the bus driver to force the boy to wear one.
Woman from Barcelona (not wearing a mask as she was apparently exempt) then starts shouting at the man to get off the bus and to leave the boy alone. Says he wouldn't challenge a man.
Then woman on the bus starts challenging the woman from Barcelona about making matters worse. One or two other passengers then join in, telling the guy to get off the bus because they have to get to work.
Guy eventually gets off the bus, gets back on at the exit door and tells the woman from Barcelona she is a very bad person and evil, and he will see her again. Woman from Barcelona then tells him good and comments on his fatness. Then continues the argument with the woman who criticised her.
Covid really has brought out the worst in people.
Sounds like a bit less shouting might prevent transmission. And everyone has been on edge for months. The slight relief of pressure and it is no surprise some steam is released.
@DarrenGBNews UK has signed a post-Brexit trade deal with Norway, Iceland and Liechtenstein
Government claim agreement, is worth £21bn and will "slash tariffs on high-quality British food and farm products and support jobs in every area of our country"
Sounds like it goes further than the deal we had with them as EU members too?
Liz Truss really has done a fantastic job, and Brexit is really going as well as I could have hoped for.
‘David Henig, a former UK government trade official who is now director of the UK Trade Policy Project, said: “This UK-EEA free trade agreement provides better trading conditions than World Trade Organization terms, though with considerably more trade barriers when compared with the previous single market relationship.
“There are some useful provisions for UK business such as on professional qualifications or digital trade, but there will also be many difficulties as we see with the similar UK-EU trade and cooperation agreement. Overall this is quite a standard free trade agreement, with limited economic value.”’
Henig is from the "Independent SAGE" school of Brexit.
He's the media's go to contrarian, like Devi Sridhar.
There is no Independent SAGE for trade policy. Yet more bolleaux from self-proclaimed guru Philip Thompson.
Surprised you could not see the nuance of his comment to be honest
The nuance is that Philip has had enough of experts.
Experts have agendas and calling out an agenda by an expert is healthy
For me it is about who makes more sense.
I have read David Henig for a long time and while clearly anti-Brexit he is not hysterical.
Whereas Philip Thompson appears to be some kind of fantasist whose main activity appears to be posting on here. It is not clear what Philip is supposed to be an expert in.
If you are pro Europe than you adopt that nuance
If you are anti Europe like @Philip_Thompson then you adopt his nuance
Looking at the case rates today one can only say praise be we have so many vaccinated. Otherwise, this looks like the start of what would have been a brutal third wave. Just got to avoid it myself now.
Yep.
Squeaky bum time for the vaccines. We’re about to find out how effective they really are.
We already have - 2 jabs and you are very, very unlikely to end up in hospital. The rise in cases is all in the younger, unvaccinated groups.
Which is why I'm not seeing much of a threat to the roadmap. I'll be surprised if serious domestic legal restrictions persist beyond 21st June.
The other issue is, will people obey them? We all obeyed lockdowns because - a few nutters apart - we all saw it was needed and was about the only thing to do if hundreds of thousands more weren’t to die.
But if somebody tells me I have to wear a mask because some drug addled fool on Indie Sage thinks there might potentially be a problem if I don’t?
I think it’s optimistic to assume that will be followed.
I've seen a lot of mask refuseniks over the past week. Loads of people on the tube and trains just not obeying the rules. The £6400 fine makes me smile. How is that a proportionate response to the issue? It just goes to show that the government got drunk on power, as they inevitably would in the situation they found themselves in. The rules must be lifted, or else it will never end as there will always be a reason to protect the NHS.
You can’t fine someone for not wearing a mask. Anyone can declare themselves exempt and cannot, by law, be ordered to show proof of exemption.
Is that actually the case? I knew that I could diagnose myself with a self identified disability that would make me exempt (ie mask aversion due to anxiety), I just wonder how it would work out in practice if I was challenged on the train. The main point is still valid though, how is a £6400 fine proportionate if I just forgot my mask or it broke at some point on my trip.
On this, there was an argument on the bus today about this.
Guy gets on the bus (fat, 50s I'd say but could be younger) shouting at a teenage boy about not wearing a mask and then challenging the bus driver to force the boy to wear one.
Woman from Barcelona (not wearing a mask as she was apparently exempt) then starts shouting at the man to get off the bus and to leave the boy alone. Says he wouldn't challenge a man.
Then woman on the bus starts challenging the woman from Barcelona about making matters worse. One or two other passengers then join in, telling the guy to get off the bus because they have to get to work.
Guy eventually gets off the bus, gets back on at the exit door and tells the woman from Barcelona she is a very bad person and evil, and he will see her again. Woman from Barcelona then tells him good and comments on his fatness. Then continues the argument with the woman who criticised her.
Covid really has brought out the worst in people.
This is why I don't normally travel by bus; switched to bike a few years ago and never looked back.
Smart move although the bus can be entertainment once in a while
Agreed - we used to get bricks thrown through the window on the night bus when I lived in Birmingham, it was a regular occurance.
Where I live now the problem is that taxis are actually cheaper than the bus. It is only people who somehow get free travel who go on the bus. The bus is always late, the whole thing is just hopeless.
Looking at the case rates today one can only say praise be we have so many vaccinated. Otherwise, this looks like the start of what would have been a brutal third wave. Just got to avoid it myself now.
Yep.
Squeaky bum time for the vaccines. We’re about to find out how effective they really are.
We already have - 2 jabs and you are very, very unlikely to end up in hospital. The rise in cases is all in the younger, unvaccinated groups.
Which is why I'm not seeing much of a threat to the roadmap. I'll be surprised if serious domestic legal restrictions persist beyond 21st June.
The other issue is, will people obey them? We all obeyed lockdowns because - a few nutters apart - we all saw it was needed and was about the only thing to do if hundreds of thousands more weren’t to die.
But if somebody tells me I have to wear a mask because some drug addled fool on Indie Sage thinks there might potentially be a problem if I don’t?
I think it’s optimistic to assume that will be followed.
I've seen a lot of mask refuseniks over the past week. Loads of people on the tube and trains just not obeying the rules. The £6400 fine makes me smile. How is that a proportionate response to the issue? It just goes to show that the government got drunk on power, as they inevitably would in the situation they found themselves in. The rules must be lifted, or else it will never end as there will always be a reason to protect the NHS.
You can’t fine someone for not wearing a mask. Anyone can declare themselves exempt and cannot, by law, be ordered to show proof of exemption.
Is that actually the case? I knew that I could diagnose myself with a self identified disability that would make me exempt (ie mask aversion due to anxiety), I just wonder how it would work out in practice if I was challenged on the train. The main point is still valid though, how is a £6400 fine proportionate if I just forgot my mask or it broke at some point on my trip.
You would be discriminating against somebody with a disability by demanding they prove it.
So, yes.
This came up at a school in Staffs where one of the parents was an equalities lawyer. They demanded he prove his daughter was exempt. It did not end well for the school.
OK, I see. So the £6400 fine cannot actually be enforced unless you actually admit at some point that your failure to wear a mask is not due to a disability. What a brilliant country.
Roughly.
The only way to prove it would be to arrest you and do a full investigation.
That wouldn’t happen as if they arrested a disabled person for being disabled...well, I don’t have to draw a diagram.
They also of course can’t demand ID unless they arrest you.
So they rely on us being willing to protect each other (for what use masks are, which is probably not a lot in practice on a train or bus) to enforce it.
Which is fine - as long as there is a point to it.
If it’s being done simply because a bunch of scientists want to err on the side of caution, that compliance will plummet.
@DarrenGBNews UK has signed a post-Brexit trade deal with Norway, Iceland and Liechtenstein
Government claim agreement, is worth £21bn and will "slash tariffs on high-quality British food and farm products and support jobs in every area of our country"
Sounds like it goes further than the deal we had with them as EU members too?
Liz Truss really has done a fantastic job, and Brexit is really going as well as I could have hoped for.
‘David Henig, a former UK government trade official who is now director of the UK Trade Policy Project, said: “This UK-EEA free trade agreement provides better trading conditions than World Trade Organization terms, though with considerably more trade barriers when compared with the previous single market relationship.
“There are some useful provisions for UK business such as on professional qualifications or digital trade, but there will also be many difficulties as we see with the similar UK-EU trade and cooperation agreement. Overall this is quite a standard free trade agreement, with limited economic value.”’
Henig is from the "Independent SAGE" school of Brexit.
He's the media's go to contrarian, like Devi Sridhar.
There is no Independent SAGE for trade policy. Yet more bolleaux from self-proclaimed guru Philip Thompson.
Surprised you could not see the nuance of his comment to be honest
The nuance is that Philip has had enough of experts.
Experts have agendas and calling out an agenda by an expert is healthy
For me it is about who makes more sense.
I have read David Henig for a long time and while clearly anti-Brexit he is not hysterical.
Whereas Philip Thompson appears to be some kind of fantasist whose main activity appears to be posting on here. It is not clear what Philip is supposed to be an expert in.
If you are pro Europe than you adopt that nuance
If you are anti Europe like @Philip_Thompson then you adopt his nuance
How the hell do you do a 3 month tour in Liechtenstein? It is the size of a couple of postage stamps.
I wonder why the song wasn't called "One Night in Vaduz" ?
There IS a song about a famous Liechtenstein female con artist, who was the last person executed in the Principality. Doubt if her final stay lasted as long as three months.
@DarrenGBNews UK has signed a post-Brexit trade deal with Norway, Iceland and Liechtenstein
Government claim agreement, is worth £21bn and will "slash tariffs on high-quality British food and farm products and support jobs in every area of our country"
Sounds like it goes further than the deal we had with them as EU members too?
Liz Truss really has done a fantastic job, and Brexit is really going as well as I could have hoped for.
‘David Henig, a former UK government trade official who is now director of the UK Trade Policy Project, said: “This UK-EEA free trade agreement provides better trading conditions than World Trade Organization terms, though with considerably more trade barriers when compared with the previous single market relationship.
“There are some useful provisions for UK business such as on professional qualifications or digital trade, but there will also be many difficulties as we see with the similar UK-EU trade and cooperation agreement. Overall this is quite a standard free trade agreement, with limited economic value.”’
Henig is from the "Independent SAGE" school of Brexit.
He's the media's go to contrarian, like Devi Sridhar.
There is no Independent SAGE for trade policy. Yet more bolleaux from self-proclaimed guru Philip Thompson.
Surprised you could not see the nuance of his comment to be honest
The nuance is that Philip has had enough of experts.
Experts have agendas and calling out an agenda by an expert is healthy
For me it is about who makes more sense.
I have read David Henig for a long time and while clearly anti-Brexit he is not hysterical.
Whereas Philip Thompson appears to be some kind of fantasist whose main activity appears to be posting on here. It is not clear what Philip is supposed to be an expert in.
If you are pro Europe than you adopt that nuance
If you are anti Europe like @Philip_Thompson then you adopt his nuance
Just to keep track, Howard Beckett is the one who just spent £1.3m of Unite Members' money losing a libel action against a Labour MP when she offered him the opportunity of a free apology?
Although AIUI he hasn’t paid up yet and bailiffs are now involved.
"We have carefully considered a handful of encounters with UAVs of unknown nature and origin. Reports of the encounters have described these UAVs as having “amazing” or “impossible” flight characteristics. In this paper, we objectively quantified the observed accelerations. In some situations, the information available consisted of eyewitness descriptions.
PARKLIFE!
"However, in each of these cases the eyewitnesses were trained observers, and these encounters were selected because they involved multiple witnesses observing in multiple modalities including visual contact from pilots and passengers, radar, and infrared video. While fabrication and exaggeration cannot be ruled out, the fact that multiple professional trained observers working in different modalities corroborate the reports greatly minimizes such risks.
PARKLIFE!
"The facts that the estimated accelerations of encounters spanning over 50 years all fall within two orders of magnitude of one another and that they are far greater in magnitude than one would expect serve to further minimize the risks of fabrication or exaggeration. Furthermore, our acceleration estimates are similar to previous estimates of accelerations measured in other encounters, such as the accelerations ranging from 175m/s2 to 4407m/s2 (17.9g to 450g) estimated from radar data obtained during the 1968 Minot AFB encounter in North Dakota, USA [28].
PARKLIFE!
"In addition, the German physicist Hermann Oberth, one of the founding fathers of astronautics and rocketry, gave a lecture on UFOs in 1954 in which he reported the top measured speed to be 19km/s [29], or Mach 55, which is comparable to the maximum speed of ∼Mach 60 we estimated in Section 2.4.1 from the radar observations of Senior Chief Day on the USS Princeton during the 2004 Nimitz encounters."
All the people So many people And hey all go hand-in-hand Hand-in-hand through their parklife
Know what I mean?
The recent moves in the US have been quite baffling. Your points above - if one of them is based on facts it'd be good (not suggesting that you're not accurately reporting of course).
The problem of it is why? The chances of ET being roughly in our technological league is almost zero. We've evloved over billions of years, but the technical window has been in the thousands. Why would they coincide.
The idea that ET needs to mess about flying drone like things in the oceans and is just a few steps ahead of us, and doesn't have the technology to just observe remotely or not be seen, well that's sort of incredible (in the literal sense).
They're out there, but I would be astonished if we spotted them. Nearly 100 percent chance is that first contact will be them saying hello. (And incidentally, as I posted some weeks ago all this chaff could be the governments sizing us up for the real thing - hugely low probability, but more likely than most ET stuff)
You also missed the summary and main conclusion of this paper, which is that, if these vehicles can carry on accelerating as they appear to do, they might easily be capable of Faster Than Light travel, solving that How Did They Get Here problem
They are waaaaaaaay in advance of us, if "they" exist
I wholly agree that this all sounds insane, but any explanation of this sounds insane, and it is lots more fun to talk about than dying people in Blackburn
Both you and @moonshine continue to post on these things, and I'll continue to read.
IF (and this isn't just a big if it's the biggest if I've ever written) there is something in it then it'll be the biggest story ever, and the main bit of that will be politics. I both hope to and fear seeing such a thing in my lifetime. The fear is mainly about us rather than ET.
This is my wife’s position. She doesn’t fear them. She fears us. “I wish these officials would stay quiet until long after everyone I know is already dead”. Because she fears our reaction.
I still harbour a bit of fear about them. They could be benign and slowly softening us up for contact. But it might be that they just don’t care if we see them. That would be very unsettling indeed.
@DarrenGBNews UK has signed a post-Brexit trade deal with Norway, Iceland and Liechtenstein
Government claim agreement, is worth £21bn and will "slash tariffs on high-quality British food and farm products and support jobs in every area of our country"
Sounds like it goes further than the deal we had with them as EU members too?
Liz Truss really has done a fantastic job, and Brexit is really going as well as I could have hoped for.
‘David Henig, a former UK government trade official who is now director of the UK Trade Policy Project, said: “This UK-EEA free trade agreement provides better trading conditions than World Trade Organization terms, though with considerably more trade barriers when compared with the previous single market relationship.
“There are some useful provisions for UK business such as on professional qualifications or digital trade, but there will also be many difficulties as we see with the similar UK-EU trade and cooperation agreement. Overall this is quite a standard free trade agreement, with limited economic value.”’
Henig is from the "Independent SAGE" school of Brexit.
He's the media's go to contrarian, like Devi Sridhar.
There is no Independent SAGE for trade policy. Yet more bolleaux from self-proclaimed guru Philip Thompson.
Surprised you could not see the nuance of his comment to be honest
The nuance is that Philip has had enough of experts.
Experts have agendas and calling out an agenda by an expert is healthy
For me it is about who makes more sense.
I have read David Henig for a long time and while clearly anti-Brexit he is not hysterical.
Whereas Philip Thompson appears to be some kind of fantasist whose main activity appears to be posting on here. It is not clear what Philip is supposed to be an expert in.
If you are pro Europe than you adopt that nuance
If you are anti Europe like @Philip_Thompson then you adopt his nuance
@DarrenGBNews UK has signed a post-Brexit trade deal with Norway, Iceland and Liechtenstein
Government claim agreement, is worth £21bn and will "slash tariffs on high-quality British food and farm products and support jobs in every area of our country"
Sounds like it goes further than the deal we had with them as EU members too?
Liz Truss really has done a fantastic job, and Brexit is really going as well as I could have hoped for.
‘David Henig, a former UK government trade official who is now director of the UK Trade Policy Project, said: “This UK-EEA free trade agreement provides better trading conditions than World Trade Organization terms, though with considerably more trade barriers when compared with the previous single market relationship.
“There are some useful provisions for UK business such as on professional qualifications or digital trade, but there will also be many difficulties as we see with the similar UK-EU trade and cooperation agreement. Overall this is quite a standard free trade agreement, with limited economic value.”’
Henig is from the "Independent SAGE" school of Brexit.
He's the media's go to contrarian, like Devi Sridhar.
There is no Independent SAGE for trade policy. Yet more bolleaux from self-proclaimed guru Philip Thompson.
Surprised you could not see the nuance of his comment to be honest
The nuance is that Philip has had enough of experts.
Experts have agendas and calling out an agenda by an expert is healthy
For me it is about who makes more sense.
I have read David Henig for a long time and while clearly anti-Brexit he is not hysterical.
Whereas Philip Thompson appears to be some kind of fantasist whose main activity appears to be posting on here. It is not clear what Philip is supposed to be an expert in.
If you are pro Europe than you adopt that nuance
If you are anti Europe like @Philip_Thompson then you adopt his nuance
Fairly reasonable summary do you not think
It does seem to me that very few people are in a position to make a meaningful comment on a trade deal.
"We have carefully considered a handful of encounters with UAVs of unknown nature and origin. Reports of the encounters have described these UAVs as having “amazing” or “impossible” flight characteristics. In this paper, we objectively quantified the observed accelerations. In some situations, the information available consisted of eyewitness descriptions.
PARKLIFE!
"However, in each of these cases the eyewitnesses were trained observers, and these encounters were selected because they involved multiple witnesses observing in multiple modalities including visual contact from pilots and passengers, radar, and infrared video. While fabrication and exaggeration cannot be ruled out, the fact that multiple professional trained observers working in different modalities corroborate the reports greatly minimizes such risks.
PARKLIFE!
"The facts that the estimated accelerations of encounters spanning over 50 years all fall within two orders of magnitude of one another and that they are far greater in magnitude than one would expect serve to further minimize the risks of fabrication or exaggeration. Furthermore, our acceleration estimates are similar to previous estimates of accelerations measured in other encounters, such as the accelerations ranging from 175m/s2 to 4407m/s2 (17.9g to 450g) estimated from radar data obtained during the 1968 Minot AFB encounter in North Dakota, USA [28].
PARKLIFE!
"In addition, the German physicist Hermann Oberth, one of the founding fathers of astronautics and rocketry, gave a lecture on UFOs in 1954 in which he reported the top measured speed to be 19km/s [29], or Mach 55, which is comparable to the maximum speed of ∼Mach 60 we estimated in Section 2.4.1 from the radar observations of Senior Chief Day on the USS Princeton during the 2004 Nimitz encounters."
All the people So many people And hey all go hand-in-hand Hand-in-hand through their parklife
Know what I mean?
The recent moves in the US have been quite baffling. Your points above - if one of them is based on facts it'd be good (not suggesting that you're not accurately reporting of course).
The problem of it is why? The chances of ET being roughly in our technological league is almost zero. We've evloved over billions of years, but the technical window has been in the thousands. Why would they coincide.
The idea that ET needs to mess about flying drone like things in the oceans and is just a few steps ahead of us, and doesn't have the technology to just observe remotely or not be seen, well that's sort of incredible (in the literal sense).
They're out there, but I would be astonished if we spotted them. Nearly 100 percent chance is that first contact will be them saying hello. (And incidentally, as I posted some weeks ago all this chaff could be the governments sizing us up for the real thing - hugely low probability, but more likely than most ET stuff)
You also missed the summary and main conclusion of this paper, which is that, if these vehicles can carry on accelerating as they appear to do, they might easily be capable of Faster Than Light travel, solving that How Did They Get Here problem
They are waaaaaaaay in advance of us, if "they" exist
I wholly agree that this all sounds insane, but any explanation of this sounds insane, and it is lots more fun to talk about than dying people in Blackburn
Both you and @moonshine continue to post on these things, and I'll continue to read.
IF (and this isn't just a big if it's the biggest if I've ever written) there is something in it then it'll be the biggest story ever, and the main bit of that will be politics. I both hope to and fear seeing such a thing in my lifetime. The fear is mainly about us rather than ET.
To be clear, I am still highly highly doubtful that ET aliens are with us, and I expect a "more prosaic" explanation - if we ever get one. But more prosaic in this case means a deep state conspiracy in America so vast and complex it takes in ex presidents and the entire military, or the discovery that China can do incredible hypersonic tech, has done so for decades, but never really uses it.
Other "more prosaic" explanations include: visitors from a parallel universe or the first proof of time travel. You know, the mundane stuff
However I am now open to the possibility of aliens in a way I never was before. We have to accept that this is one amongst several rationales for what is being seen
@DarrenGBNews UK has signed a post-Brexit trade deal with Norway, Iceland and Liechtenstein
Government claim agreement, is worth £21bn and will "slash tariffs on high-quality British food and farm products and support jobs in every area of our country"
Sounds like it goes further than the deal we had with them as EU members too?
Liz Truss really has done a fantastic job, and Brexit is really going as well as I could have hoped for.
‘David Henig, a former UK government trade official who is now director of the UK Trade Policy Project, said: “This UK-EEA free trade agreement provides better trading conditions than World Trade Organization terms, though with considerably more trade barriers when compared with the previous single market relationship.
“There are some useful provisions for UK business such as on professional qualifications or digital trade, but there will also be many difficulties as we see with the similar UK-EU trade and cooperation agreement. Overall this is quite a standard free trade agreement, with limited economic value.”’
Henig is from the "Independent SAGE" school of Brexit.
He's the media's go to contrarian, like Devi Sridhar.
There is no Independent SAGE for trade policy. Yet more bolleaux from self-proclaimed guru Philip Thompson.
Surprised you could not see the nuance of his comment to be honest
The nuance is that Philip has had enough of experts.
Experts have agendas and calling out an agenda by an expert is healthy
For me it is about who makes more sense.
I have read David Henig for a long time and while clearly anti-Brexit he is not hysterical.
Whereas Philip Thompson appears to be some kind of fantasist whose main activity appears to be posting on here. It is not clear what Philip is supposed to be an expert in.
If you are pro Europe than you adopt that nuance
If you are anti Europe like @Philip_Thompson then you adopt his nuance
Fairly reasonable summary do you not think
No.
Trade policy, and expert opinion, is not like choosing a preferred cola brand.
Just to keep track, Howard Beckett is the one who just spent £1.3m of Unite Members' money losing a libel action against a Labour MP when she offered him the opportunity of a free apology?
Although AIUI he hasn’t paid up yet and bailiffs are now involved.
I think it's an instalment plan.
Which is very good for reminding his electorate of it every so often.
Just to keep track, Howard Beckett is the one who just spent £1.3m of Unite Members' money losing a libel action against a Labour MP when she offered him the opportunity of a free apology?
Although AIUI he hasn’t paid up yet and bailiffs are now involved.
I think it's an instalment plan.
Which is very good for reminding his electorate of it every so often.
"We have carefully considered a handful of encounters with UAVs of unknown nature and origin. Reports of the encounters have described these UAVs as having “amazing” or “impossible” flight characteristics. In this paper, we objectively quantified the observed accelerations. In some situations, the information available consisted of eyewitness descriptions.
PARKLIFE!
"However, in each of these cases the eyewitnesses were trained observers, and these encounters were selected because they involved multiple witnesses observing in multiple modalities including visual contact from pilots and passengers, radar, and infrared video. While fabrication and exaggeration cannot be ruled out, the fact that multiple professional trained observers working in different modalities corroborate the reports greatly minimizes such risks.
PARKLIFE!
"The facts that the estimated accelerations of encounters spanning over 50 years all fall within two orders of magnitude of one another and that they are far greater in magnitude than one would expect serve to further minimize the risks of fabrication or exaggeration. Furthermore, our acceleration estimates are similar to previous estimates of accelerations measured in other encounters, such as the accelerations ranging from 175m/s2 to 4407m/s2 (17.9g to 450g) estimated from radar data obtained during the 1968 Minot AFB encounter in North Dakota, USA [28].
PARKLIFE!
"In addition, the German physicist Hermann Oberth, one of the founding fathers of astronautics and rocketry, gave a lecture on UFOs in 1954 in which he reported the top measured speed to be 19km/s [29], or Mach 55, which is comparable to the maximum speed of ∼Mach 60 we estimated in Section 2.4.1 from the radar observations of Senior Chief Day on the USS Princeton during the 2004 Nimitz encounters."
All the people So many people And hey all go hand-in-hand Hand-in-hand through their parklife
Know what I mean?
The recent moves in the US have been quite baffling. Your points above - if one of them is based on facts it'd be good (not suggesting that you're not accurately reporting of course).
The problem of it is why? The chances of ET being roughly in our technological league is almost zero. We've evloved over billions of years, but the technical window has been in the thousands. Why would they coincide.
The idea that ET needs to mess about flying drone like things in the oceans and is just a few steps ahead of us, and doesn't have the technology to just observe remotely or not be seen, well that's sort of incredible (in the literal sense).
They're out there, but I would be astonished if we spotted them. Nearly 100 percent chance is that first contact will be them saying hello. (And incidentally, as I posted some weeks ago all this chaff could be the governments sizing us up for the real thing - hugely low probability, but more likely than most ET stuff)
It's the US playing games. Why, I cannot think. It looks like fairly simple hologram technology being used. A case of having cool kit and having to think of a use for it?
Holograms! You lot are hilarious.
If in the coming months we get a speech from Biden about all this, stating categorically that there is ultra technology on earth that is not from the US and not from any other country, what will you say? Hopefully the first thing you will say is “sorry moonshine, sorry Leon, thank you for trying to alert us to the biggest story of human history.”
But then what?
Not just holograms, mate - "fairly simple holograms"
Doh! Why didn't the US Navy, the CIA, the USAF, the DoD, and the Pentagon not realise these are just "fairly simple holograms".. which apparently appear on radar?!
Reminds me back after 9/11 when the loons were saying the aircraft were actually holograms
If the aliens have been here for 70 years without doing much then they’re probably just here for the show. Probably getting bit tired of popcorn though waiting for us to blow ourselves up.
@DarrenGBNews UK has signed a post-Brexit trade deal with Norway, Iceland and Liechtenstein
Government claim agreement, is worth £21bn and will "slash tariffs on high-quality British food and farm products and support jobs in every area of our country"
Sounds like it goes further than the deal we had with them as EU members too?
Liz Truss really has done a fantastic job, and Brexit is really going as well as I could have hoped for.
It does and it doesn't. In some areas like digital and financial services it's really good. In other NTB goods areas it doesn't. It's actually very favourable for the UK which is why Norway seem very upset by it not replicating exactly what the EEA does. It's also important to note that the government hasn't traded away fishing quotas to achieve it, that particular discussion remains unresolved and has been locked into next year to let the Norwegian fishing people stew in their idiocy over trying to claim UK waters as their own.
Overall it's better for the UK tha what we had with Norway under the EEA, at least for how the UK economy is structured but probably not as good as what Norway had with the UK under the EEA. I think this relationship replicates what the UK government sees as the near end state relationship with the EU. Not many fucks given about goods but clearing the way for removal services NTBs. On the latter I expect a lot of bilateral deals to be done by the UK with EU countries not called France and Germany. I know there is a lot of interest on some qualifications mutual recognition for areas the EU doesn't cover but loads want to kick it into next year for fear that the EU will try and claim jurisdiction and block any side deals with the UK and shut down other pre-existing deals with other non-EU countries.
"We have carefully considered a handful of encounters with UAVs of unknown nature and origin. Reports of the encounters have described these UAVs as having “amazing” or “impossible” flight characteristics. In this paper, we objectively quantified the observed accelerations. In some situations, the information available consisted of eyewitness descriptions.
PARKLIFE!
"However, in each of these cases the eyewitnesses were trained observers, and these encounters were selected because they involved multiple witnesses observing in multiple modalities including visual contact from pilots and passengers, radar, and infrared video. While fabrication and exaggeration cannot be ruled out, the fact that multiple professional trained observers working in different modalities corroborate the reports greatly minimizes such risks.
PARKLIFE!
"The facts that the estimated accelerations of encounters spanning over 50 years all fall within two orders of magnitude of one another and that they are far greater in magnitude than one would expect serve to further minimize the risks of fabrication or exaggeration. Furthermore, our acceleration estimates are similar to previous estimates of accelerations measured in other encounters, such as the accelerations ranging from 175m/s2 to 4407m/s2 (17.9g to 450g) estimated from radar data obtained during the 1968 Minot AFB encounter in North Dakota, USA [28].
PARKLIFE!
"In addition, the German physicist Hermann Oberth, one of the founding fathers of astronautics and rocketry, gave a lecture on UFOs in 1954 in which he reported the top measured speed to be 19km/s [29], or Mach 55, which is comparable to the maximum speed of ∼Mach 60 we estimated in Section 2.4.1 from the radar observations of Senior Chief Day on the USS Princeton during the 2004 Nimitz encounters."
All the people So many people And hey all go hand-in-hand Hand-in-hand through their parklife
Know what I mean?
The recent moves in the US have been quite baffling. Your points above - if one of them is based on facts it'd be good (not suggesting that you're not accurately reporting of course).
The problem of it is why? The chances of ET being roughly in our technological league is almost zero. We've evloved over billions of years, but the technical window has been in the thousands. Why would they coincide.
The idea that ET needs to mess about flying drone like things in the oceans and is just a few steps ahead of us, and doesn't have the technology to just observe remotely or not be seen, well that's sort of incredible (in the literal sense).
They're out there, but I would be astonished if we spotted them. Nearly 100 percent chance is that first contact will be them saying hello. (And incidentally, as I posted some weeks ago all this chaff could be the governments sizing us up for the real thing - hugely low probability, but more likely than most ET stuff)
You also missed the summary and main conclusion of this paper, which is that, if these vehicles can carry on accelerating as they appear to do, they might easily be capable of Faster Than Light travel, solving that How Did They Get Here problem
They are waaaaaaaay in advance of us, if "they" exist
I wholly agree that this all sounds insane, but any explanation of this sounds insane, and it is lots more fun to talk about than dying people in Blackburn
Both you and @moonshine continue to post on these things, and I'll continue to read.
IF (and this isn't just a big if it's the biggest if I've ever written) there is something in it then it'll be the biggest story ever, and the main bit of that will be politics. I both hope to and fear seeing such a thing in my lifetime. The fear is mainly about us rather than ET.
This is my wife’s position. She doesn’t fear them. She fears us. “I wish these officials would stay quiet until long after everyone I know is already dead”. Because she fears our reaction.
I still harbour a bit of fear about them. They could be benign and slowly softening us up for contact. But it might be that they just don’t care if we see them. That would be very unsettling indeed.
IF they've managed to get here, then they have the tech to do what they will with us. We are utterly defenceless and at their mercy. However, nowt has happened yet so the signs are good so far.
The fight of the media against Trump is really starting to worry me. Mike posted in a header the other day that he fears for US democracy. I have no such fears unless democracy can credibly seem to have been suppressed. The Republican's had some small case about voting irregularities - although it absolutely was just the normal crap rather than anything untoward, but if the 'left wing' media are seen to be cutting off free speech then it's not a good thing.
I'd quite like it if Trump could just post whatever he likes.
It's much worse now that Trump's Lab Leak theory looks credible, the same theory that Facebook literally prohibited, for a year, until Biden was elected
When Republicans want to say that the election was stolen, they can now point to that perversion of the truth, and they will have a good point.
I think the example of Farage here is interesting. I can't think of anyone that has been so hard done by electorally, but he's sort of contended himself with what it is (admittedly after achieving the greatest political coup in these lands since Cromwell).
Farage has as much space as he wants really. He's not got that much to say, but I certainly won't ignore him. I think that's the sort of place that Trump needs to be.
The fight of the media against Trump is really starting to worry me. Mike posted in a header the other day that he fears for US democracy. I have no such fears unless democracy can credibly seem to have been suppressed. The Republican's had some small case about voting irregularities - although it absolutely was just the normal crap rather than anything untoward, but if the 'left wing' media are seen to be cutting off free speech then it's not a good thing.
I'd quite like it if Trump could just post whatever he likes.
It's much worse now that Trump's Lab Leak theory looks credible, the same theory that Facebook literally prohibited, for a year, until Biden was elected
When Republicans want to say that the election was stolen, they can now point to that perversion of the truth, and they will have a good point.
As much as I will be accused of being biased, that is a good point.
If the lab theory leak gains much more ground, especially around the bio-weapon theory, then it will have big reverberations around the world but particularly in the United States where the media was already on shaky ground with their treatment of the Hunter Biden story.
Added into that mix, it is likely that the election was stolen theory will rear its head again given what is happening in Arizona and Georgia.
I think the US is in for a febrile political atmosphere in 2021.
Biden will have to put the administration at the front of this and really go after China if the evidence continues to build. Could get very serious. Are we going from Spanish Flu, through the roaring twenties to the 1930s in less than two years?
"We have carefully considered a handful of encounters with UAVs of unknown nature and origin. Reports of the encounters have described these UAVs as having “amazing” or “impossible” flight characteristics. In this paper, we objectively quantified the observed accelerations. In some situations, the information available consisted of eyewitness descriptions.
PARKLIFE!
"However, in each of these cases the eyewitnesses were trained observers, and these encounters were selected because they involved multiple witnesses observing in multiple modalities including visual contact from pilots and passengers, radar, and infrared video. While fabrication and exaggeration cannot be ruled out, the fact that multiple professional trained observers working in different modalities corroborate the reports greatly minimizes such risks.
PARKLIFE!
"The facts that the estimated accelerations of encounters spanning over 50 years all fall within two orders of magnitude of one another and that they are far greater in magnitude than one would expect serve to further minimize the risks of fabrication or exaggeration. Furthermore, our acceleration estimates are similar to previous estimates of accelerations measured in other encounters, such as the accelerations ranging from 175m/s2 to 4407m/s2 (17.9g to 450g) estimated from radar data obtained during the 1968 Minot AFB encounter in North Dakota, USA [28].
PARKLIFE!
"In addition, the German physicist Hermann Oberth, one of the founding fathers of astronautics and rocketry, gave a lecture on UFOs in 1954 in which he reported the top measured speed to be 19km/s [29], or Mach 55, which is comparable to the maximum speed of ∼Mach 60 we estimated in Section 2.4.1 from the radar observations of Senior Chief Day on the USS Princeton during the 2004 Nimitz encounters."
All the people So many people And hey all go hand-in-hand Hand-in-hand through their parklife
Know what I mean?
The recent moves in the US have been quite baffling. Your points above - if one of them is based on facts it'd be good (not suggesting that you're not accurately reporting of course).
The problem of it is why? The chances of ET being roughly in our technological league is almost zero. We've evloved over billions of years, but the technical window has been in the thousands. Why would they coincide.
The idea that ET needs to mess about flying drone like things in the oceans and is just a few steps ahead of us, and doesn't have the technology to just observe remotely or not be seen, well that's sort of incredible (in the literal sense).
They're out there, but I would be astonished if we spotted them. Nearly 100 percent chance is that first contact will be them saying hello. (And incidentally, as I posted some weeks ago all this chaff could be the governments sizing us up for the real thing - hugely low probability, but more likely than most ET stuff)
You also missed the summary and main conclusion of this paper, which is that, if these vehicles can carry on accelerating as they appear to do, they might easily be capable of Faster Than Light travel, solving that How Did They Get Here problem
They are waaaaaaaay in advance of us, if "they" exist
I wholly agree that this all sounds insane, but any explanation of this sounds insane, and it is lots more fun to talk about than dying people in Blackburn
Both you and @moonshine continue to post on these things, and I'll continue to read.
IF (and this isn't just a big if it's the biggest if I've ever written) there is something in it then it'll be the biggest story ever, and the main bit of that will be politics. I both hope to and fear seeing such a thing in my lifetime. The fear is mainly about us rather than ET.
To be clear, I am still highly highly doubtful that ET aliens are with us, and I expect a "more prosaic" explanation - if we ever get one. But more prosaic in this case means a deep state conspiracy in America so vast and complex it takes in ex presidents and the entire military, or the discovery that China can do incredible hypersonic tech, has done so for decades, but never really uses it.
Other "more prosaic" explanations include: visitors from a parallel universe or the first proof of time travel. You know, the mundane stuff
However I am now open to the possibility of aliens in a way I never was before. We have to accept that this is one amongst several rationales for what is being seen
For my part at least I'd certainly not labelled you a fruitcake for your opinions on this matter.
"We have carefully considered a handful of encounters with UAVs of unknown nature and origin. Reports of the encounters have described these UAVs as having “amazing” or “impossible” flight characteristics. In this paper, we objectively quantified the observed accelerations. In some situations, the information available consisted of eyewitness descriptions.
PARKLIFE!
"However, in each of these cases the eyewitnesses were trained observers, and these encounters were selected because they involved multiple witnesses observing in multiple modalities including visual contact from pilots and passengers, radar, and infrared video. While fabrication and exaggeration cannot be ruled out, the fact that multiple professional trained observers working in different modalities corroborate the reports greatly minimizes such risks.
PARKLIFE!
"The facts that the estimated accelerations of encounters spanning over 50 years all fall within two orders of magnitude of one another and that they are far greater in magnitude than one would expect serve to further minimize the risks of fabrication or exaggeration. Furthermore, our acceleration estimates are similar to previous estimates of accelerations measured in other encounters, such as the accelerations ranging from 175m/s2 to 4407m/s2 (17.9g to 450g) estimated from radar data obtained during the 1968 Minot AFB encounter in North Dakota, USA [28].
PARKLIFE!
"In addition, the German physicist Hermann Oberth, one of the founding fathers of astronautics and rocketry, gave a lecture on UFOs in 1954 in which he reported the top measured speed to be 19km/s [29], or Mach 55, which is comparable to the maximum speed of ∼Mach 60 we estimated in Section 2.4.1 from the radar observations of Senior Chief Day on the USS Princeton during the 2004 Nimitz encounters."
All the people So many people And hey all go hand-in-hand Hand-in-hand through their parklife
Know what I mean?
The recent moves in the US have been quite baffling. Your points above - if one of them is based on facts it'd be good (not suggesting that you're not accurately reporting of course).
The problem of it is why? The chances of ET being roughly in our technological league is almost zero. We've evloved over billions of years, but the technical window has been in the thousands. Why would they coincide.
The idea that ET needs to mess about flying drone like things in the oceans and is just a few steps ahead of us, and doesn't have the technology to just observe remotely or not be seen, well that's sort of incredible (in the literal sense).
They're out there, but I would be astonished if we spotted them. Nearly 100 percent chance is that first contact will be them saying hello. (And incidentally, as I posted some weeks ago all this chaff could be the governments sizing us up for the real thing - hugely low probability, but more likely than most ET stuff)
You also missed the summary and main conclusion of this paper, which is that, if these vehicles can carry on accelerating as they appear to do, they might easily be capable of Faster Than Light travel, solving that How Did They Get Here problem
They are waaaaaaaay in advance of us, if "they" exist
I wholly agree that this all sounds insane, but any explanation of this sounds insane, and it is lots more fun to talk about than dying people in Blackburn
Both you and @moonshine continue to post on these things, and I'll continue to read.
IF (and this isn't just a big if it's the biggest if I've ever written) there is something in it then it'll be the biggest story ever, and the main bit of that will be politics. I both hope to and fear seeing such a thing in my lifetime. The fear is mainly about us rather than ET.
This is my wife’s position. She doesn’t fear them. She fears us. “I wish these officials would stay quiet until long after everyone I know is already dead”. Because she fears our reaction.
I still harbour a bit of fear about them. They could be benign and slowly softening us up for contact. But it might be that they just don’t care if we see them. That would be very unsettling indeed.
That's my position. IF these are aliens (big if, etc etc etc) then - as I have said before - they are like me, staring in a rockpool
Because I have always loved rockpools, I have always loved observing the tiny life inside them, the scuttling crab, the darting guppy, the wafting weeds, the brooding barnacle. Do I care if they "see" me, gazing down at them? No, I don't want to frighten them, so I try not to get too close, but I don't worry about the crab looking up and wondering at that big strange shape
Nor do I try and talk to the anenome, or land on the "White House lawn" of the limpet. It's pointless, they are so far beneath me we can't really chat
As a boy, when really bored, I might shove a stick in, to start a fight between the crayfish and the stickleback, that's about it
Hopefully the aliens are like grown-up me, not me as a boy.
But the rockpool analogy might explain why we sometimes see them, and why they watch us, and why they don't particularly care if they are observed, even if they do not want to interfere. Yet
"We have carefully considered a handful of encounters with UAVs of unknown nature and origin. Reports of the encounters have described these UAVs as having “amazing” or “impossible” flight characteristics. In this paper, we objectively quantified the observed accelerations. In some situations, the information available consisted of eyewitness descriptions.
PARKLIFE!
"However, in each of these cases the eyewitnesses were trained observers, and these encounters were selected because they involved multiple witnesses observing in multiple modalities including visual contact from pilots and passengers, radar, and infrared video. While fabrication and exaggeration cannot be ruled out, the fact that multiple professional trained observers working in different modalities corroborate the reports greatly minimizes such risks.
PARKLIFE!
"The facts that the estimated accelerations of encounters spanning over 50 years all fall within two orders of magnitude of one another and that they are far greater in magnitude than one would expect serve to further minimize the risks of fabrication or exaggeration. Furthermore, our acceleration estimates are similar to previous estimates of accelerations measured in other encounters, such as the accelerations ranging from 175m/s2 to 4407m/s2 (17.9g to 450g) estimated from radar data obtained during the 1968 Minot AFB encounter in North Dakota, USA [28].
PARKLIFE!
"In addition, the German physicist Hermann Oberth, one of the founding fathers of astronautics and rocketry, gave a lecture on UFOs in 1954 in which he reported the top measured speed to be 19km/s [29], or Mach 55, which is comparable to the maximum speed of ∼Mach 60 we estimated in Section 2.4.1 from the radar observations of Senior Chief Day on the USS Princeton during the 2004 Nimitz encounters."
All the people So many people And hey all go hand-in-hand Hand-in-hand through their parklife
Know what I mean?
The recent moves in the US have been quite baffling. Your points above - if one of them is based on facts it'd be good (not suggesting that you're not accurately reporting of course).
The problem of it is why? The chances of ET being roughly in our technological league is almost zero. We've evloved over billions of years, but the technical window has been in the thousands. Why would they coincide.
The idea that ET needs to mess about flying drone like things in the oceans and is just a few steps ahead of us, and doesn't have the technology to just observe remotely or not be seen, well that's sort of incredible (in the literal sense).
They're out there, but I would be astonished if we spotted them. Nearly 100 percent chance is that first contact will be them saying hello. (And incidentally, as I posted some weeks ago all this chaff could be the governments sizing us up for the real thing - hugely low probability, but more likely than most ET stuff)
It's the US playing games. Why, I cannot think. It looks like fairly simple hologram technology being used. A case of having cool kit and having to think of a use for it?
Holograms! You lot are hilarious.
If in the coming months we get a speech from Biden about all this, stating categorically that there is ultra technology on earth that is not from the US and not from any other country, what will you say? Hopefully the first thing you will say is “sorry moonshine, sorry Leon, thank you for trying to alert us to the biggest story of human history.”
But then what?
Not just holograms, mate - "fairly simple holograms"
Doh! Why didn't the US Navy, the CIA, the USAF, the DoD, and the Pentagon not realise these are just "fairly simple holograms".. which apparently appear on radar?!
Reminds me back after 9/11 when the loons were saying the aircraft were actually holograms
Didn’t hear that one, although I remember many people saying it was actually Mossad behind it.
On a related point, I remain puzzled as to why Osama Bin Laden denied responsibility for so long. Yes, I know he later admitted he had known about it, but why didn’t he claim it to start? It was everything his rather vile and twisted mind had ever dreamed of and more.
While lauding it as the most comprehensive FTA negotiated by Norway, it does not compare to EEA membership: While the agreement ensures a predictable framework for Norwegian investors, exporters and services suppliers, it is not as comprehensive as the EEA Agreement. Prior to the UK’s withdrawal from the EU, the EEA Agreement provided for free movement of goods, services, capital and people between Norway and the UK. No free trade agreement will provide the same access to the UK market. Nor will it dismantle all the trade barriers that have been removed under the EEA Agreement. The free trade agreement does not set out a common set of rules and principles of mutual recognition that facilitate free movement, which is a cornerstone of the EEA Agreement.
‘The agreement establishes an important framework for supporting and developing economic cooperation between Norway and the UK, but it does not replace the comprehensive arrangements we enjoyed under the EEA Agreement,’ said Minister of Foreign Affairs Ine Eriksen Søreide.
From a Norwegian perspective it's definitely a lot worse than what they had. For the UK it's probably better as it brings in services and qualifications that the single market doesn't cover.
@DarrenGBNews UK has signed a post-Brexit trade deal with Norway, Iceland and Liechtenstein
Government claim agreement, is worth £21bn and will "slash tariffs on high-quality British food and farm products and support jobs in every area of our country"
Sounds like it goes further than the deal we had with them as EU members too?
Liz Truss really has done a fantastic job, and Brexit is really going as well as I could have hoped for.
‘David Henig, a former UK government trade official who is now director of the UK Trade Policy Project, said: “This UK-EEA free trade agreement provides better trading conditions than World Trade Organization terms, though with considerably more trade barriers when compared with the previous single market relationship.
“There are some useful provisions for UK business such as on professional qualifications or digital trade, but there will also be many difficulties as we see with the similar UK-EU trade and cooperation agreement. Overall this is quite a standard free trade agreement, with limited economic value.”’
Henig is from the "Independent SAGE" school of Brexit.
He's the media's go to contrarian, like Devi Sridhar.
There is no Independent SAGE for trade policy. Yet more bolleaux from self-proclaimed guru Philip Thompson.
Surprised you could not see the nuance of his comment to be honest
The nuance is that Philip has had enough of experts.
Experts have agendas and calling out an agenda by an expert is healthy
For me it is about who makes more sense.
I have read David Henig for a long time and while clearly anti-Brexit he is not hysterical.
Whereas Philip Thompson appears to be some kind of fantasist whose main activity appears to be posting on here. It is not clear what Philip is supposed to be an expert in.
If you are pro Europe than you adopt that nuance
If you are anti Europe like @Philip_Thompson then you adopt his nuance
Fairly reasonable summary do you not think
No.
Trade policy, and expert opinion, is not like choosing a preferred cola brand.
So all of those independent SAGE "experts" fit into which category of cola brand?
@DarrenGBNews UK has signed a post-Brexit trade deal with Norway, Iceland and Liechtenstein
Government claim agreement, is worth £21bn and will "slash tariffs on high-quality British food and farm products and support jobs in every area of our country"
Sounds like it goes further than the deal we had with them as EU members too?
Liz Truss really has done a fantastic job, and Brexit is really going as well as I could have hoped for.
‘David Henig, a former UK government trade official who is now director of the UK Trade Policy Project, said: “This UK-EEA free trade agreement provides better trading conditions than World Trade Organization terms, though with considerably more trade barriers when compared with the previous single market relationship.
“There are some useful provisions for UK business such as on professional qualifications or digital trade, but there will also be many difficulties as we see with the similar UK-EU trade and cooperation agreement. Overall this is quite a standard free trade agreement, with limited economic value.”’
Henig is from the "Independent SAGE" school of Brexit.
He's the media's go to contrarian, like Devi Sridhar.
There is no Independent SAGE for trade policy. Yet more bolleaux from self-proclaimed guru Philip Thompson.
Surprised you could not see the nuance of his comment to be honest
The nuance is that Philip has had enough of experts.
Experts have agendas and calling out an agenda by an expert is healthy
For me it is about who makes more sense.
I have read David Henig for a long time and while clearly anti-Brexit he is not hysterical.
Whereas Philip Thompson appears to be some kind of fantasist whose main activity appears to be posting on here. It is not clear what Philip is supposed to be an expert in.
If you are pro Europe than you adopt that nuance
If you are anti Europe like @Philip_Thompson then you adopt his nuance
A rather notable comment under the New York Times "aliens" story
"The U.S. Navy just admitted that we do not have air superiority in our own airspace.
"Then they followed up that statement of fact by floating the possibility that China or Russia have (somehow) leapfrogged our technology by more than 100 years, and that they have had this technology since at least the mid 2000s, which would represent an unprecedented and utterly catastrophic U.S. military and intelligence failure.
"Of course, having that technology since the 2000s implies that they would have begun developing it no later than the 1990s. Given the state of both countries at the time, and the fact that China just recently unveiled their new J-20 fighter jet with pride (widely regarded as being an inferior design based on stolen U.S. technology), and that Russia's military budget is less than 10 percent of U.S. spending, I find that conclusion improbable. And, of course, no one is in full-on panic mode.
"The report flatly states that this is not U.S. technology in origin. If true, it leaves only one plausible possibility."
While lauding it as the most comprehensive FTA negotiated by Norway, it does not compare to EEA membership: While the agreement ensures a predictable framework for Norwegian investors, exporters and services suppliers, it is not as comprehensive as the EEA Agreement. Prior to the UK’s withdrawal from the EU, the EEA Agreement provided for free movement of goods, services, capital and people between Norway and the UK. No free trade agreement will provide the same access to the UK market. Nor will it dismantle all the trade barriers that have been removed under the EEA Agreement. The free trade agreement does not set out a common set of rules and principles of mutual recognition that facilitate free movement, which is a cornerstone of the EEA Agreement.
‘The agreement establishes an important framework for supporting and developing economic cooperation between Norway and the UK, but it does not replace the comprehensive arrangements we enjoyed under the EEA Agreement,’ said Minister of Foreign Affairs Ine Eriksen Søreide.
From a Norwegian perspective it's definitely a lot worse than what they had. For the UK it's probably better as it brings in services and qualifications that the single market doesn't cover.
Well yes, it is a bit U.K. centric to assume that a Norwegian commenting on the agreement is giving his opinion on whether it is good or bad for the U.K. And clearly freedom of movement is presumably a big loss that the U.K. have said they’re not that bothered about.
Comments
"Several Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP) encountered by military, commercial, and civilian aircraft have been reported to be structured craft that exhibit ‘impossible’ flight characteristics. We consider a handful of well-documented encounters, including the 2004 encounters with the Nimitz Carrier Group off the coast of California, and estimate lower bounds on the accelerations exhibited by the craft during the observed maneuvers. Estimated accelerations range from almost 100g to 1000s of gs with no observed air disturbance, no sonic booms, and no evidence of excessive heat commensurate with even the minimal estimated energies. In accordance with observations, the estimated parameters describing the behavior of these craft are both anomalous and surprising.
"The extreme estimated flight characteristics reveal that these observations are either fabricated or seriously in error, or that these craft exhibit technology far more advanced than any known craft on Earth. In many cases, the number and quality of witnesses, the variety of roles they played in the encounters, and the equipment used to track and record the craft favor the latter hypothesis that these are indeed technologically advanced craft.
"The observed flight characteristics of these craft are consistent with the flight characteristics required for interstellar travel, i.e., if these observed accelerations were sustainable in space, then these craft could easily reach relativistic speeds within a matter of minutes to hours and cover interstellar distances in a matter of days to weeks, proper time"
https://www.mdpi.com/1099-4300/21/10/939/htm
"Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty" - My Favorite Martian
The UK has signed a post-Brexit trade deal with Norway, Iceland and Liechtenstein, the government has announced.
The agreement will be a major boost for trade between the four non-EU nations, which is already worth £21.6bn, UK minister Liz Truss said.
She claimed it would boost sectors such as digital and cut tariffs on UK farm products such as cheese and meat.
Britain is Norway's top trading partner outside the European Union (EU).
The UK government said reduced import tariffs on shrimps, prawns and haddock would cut costs for UK fish processing, helping to support jobs in Scotland, East Yorkshire and northern Lincolnshire.
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https://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/news/19351417.dominic-harrison-26-covid-cases-e-lancs-hospitals---7-critical-care/
"At 8am on Wednesday there were 26 confirmed Covid cases in ELHT. Seven of the 26 were in critical care – but only one of the seven was above the age of 65 which is a different age profile to the critical care cohort compared to the previous three waves."
"Seven patients had had two vaccinations, four had had a single jab and 10 were not vaccinated although most, but not all were at an age where they could have been. Vaccinations were a mix."
Apologies if this has been posted already.
He's the media's go to contrarian, like Devi Sridhar.
We demand the truth!
"However, in each of these cases the eyewitnesses were trained observers, and these encounters were selected because they involved multiple witnesses observing in multiple modalities including visual contact from pilots and passengers, radar, and infrared video. While fabrication and exaggeration cannot be ruled out, the fact that multiple professional trained observers working in different modalities corroborate the reports greatly minimizes such risks.
"The facts that the estimated accelerations of encounters spanning over 50 years all fall within two orders of magnitude of one another and that they are far greater in magnitude than one would expect serve to further minimize the risks of fabrication or exaggeration. Furthermore, our acceleration estimates are similar to previous estimates of accelerations measured in other encounters, such as the accelerations ranging from 175m/s2 to 4407m/s2 (17.9g to 450g) estimated from radar data obtained during the 1968 Minot AFB encounter in North Dakota, USA [28].
"In addition, the German physicist Hermann Oberth, one of the founding fathers of astronautics and rocketry, gave a lecture on UFOs in 1954 in which he reported the top measured speed to be 19km/s [29], or Mach 55, which is comparable to the maximum speed of ∼Mach 60 we estimated in Section 2.4.1 from the radar observations of Senior Chief Day on the USS Princeton during the 2004 Nimitz encounters."
Golly
In Bedfordshire, where (as in Bolton) the case load in the Bedford hotspot also appears to have peaked and gone into decline, the comparable numbers are just 12 and 1.
Unless the disease somehow behaves in a dramatically different way in Blackburn, there is no particular reason to suppose that it won't follow a similar trajectory: peak Plague not too far off, only a small handful of very unlucky people kicking the bucket, and the hospital perfectly able to cope with just a small fraction of the number of Covid cases it had to deal with in previous waves.
PARKLIFE!
"However, in each of these cases the eyewitnesses were trained observers, and these encounters were selected because they involved multiple witnesses observing in multiple modalities including visual contact from pilots and passengers, radar, and infrared video. While fabrication and exaggeration cannot be ruled out, the fact that multiple professional trained observers working in different modalities corroborate the reports greatly minimizes such risks.
PARKLIFE!
"The facts that the estimated accelerations of encounters spanning over 50 years all fall within two orders of magnitude of one another and that they are far greater in magnitude than one would expect serve to further minimize the risks of fabrication or exaggeration. Furthermore, our acceleration estimates are similar to previous estimates of accelerations measured in other encounters, such as the accelerations ranging from 175m/s2 to 4407m/s2 (17.9g to 450g) estimated from radar data obtained during the 1968 Minot AFB encounter in North Dakota, USA [28].
PARKLIFE!
"In addition, the German physicist Hermann Oberth, one of the founding fathers of astronautics and rocketry, gave a lecture on UFOs in 1954 in which he reported the top measured speed to be 19km/s [29], or Mach 55, which is comparable to the maximum speed of ∼Mach 60 we estimated in Section 2.4.1 from the radar observations of Senior Chief Day on the USS Princeton during the 2004 Nimitz encounters."
All the people
So many people
And hey all go hand-in-hand
Hand-in-hand through their parklife
Know what I mean?
https://scholar.google.com/citations?user=cluDFKcAAAAJ&hl=en
Previous papers
An oscillatory hierarchy controlling neuronal excitability and stimulus processing in the auditory cortex (2015)
Origin of complex quantum amplitudes and Feynman’s rules (2012)
EXONEST: Bayesian model selection applied to the detection and characterization of exoplanets via photometric variations (2017)
And about 100 more
Doesn't strike me as a nutter, even if you do shout PARKLIFE
The problem of it is why? The chances of ET being roughly in our technological league is almost zero. We've evloved over billions of years, but the technical window has been in the thousands. Why would they coincide.
The idea that ET needs to mess about flying drone like things in the oceans and is just a few steps ahead of us, and doesn't have the technology to just observe remotely or not be seen, well that's sort of incredible (in the literal sense).
They're out there, but I would be astonished if we spotted them. Nearly 100 percent chance is that first contact will be them saying hello. (And incidentally, as I posted some weeks ago all this chaff could be the governments sizing us up for the real thing - hugely low probability, but more likely than most ET stuff)
But good news, I suppose. And you can only beat what's in front of you.
So who is it?
At some point the idea this is a massive Yankee conspiracy to scare China, or itself, or everyone, becomes untenable. So, again, what are these things?
The fight of the media against Trump is really starting to worry me. Mike posted in a header the other day that he fears for US democracy. I have no such fears unless democracy can credibly seem to have been suppressed. The Republican's had some small case about voting irregularities - although it absolutely was just the normal crap rather than anything untoward, but if the 'left wing' media are seen to be cutting off free speech then it's not a good thing.
I'd quite like it if Trump could just post whatever he likes.
They are waaaaaaaay in advance of us, if "they" exist
I wholly agree that this all sounds insane, but any explanation of this sounds insane, and it is lots more fun to talk about than dying people in Blackburn
That's pretty out there as a conspiracy theory
Yet more bolleaux from self-proclaimed guru Philip Thompson.
So, yes.
This came up at a school in Staffs where one of the parents was an equalities lawyer. They demanded he prove his daughter was exempt. It did not end well for the school.
When Republicans want to say that the election was stolen, they can now point to that perversion of the truth, and they will have a good point.
I'm sure they said "covers £21bn of trade".
The significant stuff seems to be mutual recognition of qualifications, and digital services.
The fish processing thing is because Norway fish has often been processed in UK en route to EU.
Have the EU calmed down wrt Norway fish yet? A few weeks ago they were accusing N of flagrant breaches of international law when the EU cod quota was reduced by a third in one sector.
Guy gets on the bus (fat, 50s I'd say but could be younger) shouting at a teenage boy about not wearing a mask and then challenging the bus driver to force the boy to wear one.
Woman from Barcelona (not wearing a mask as she was apparently exempt) then starts shouting at the man to get off the bus and to leave the boy alone. Says he wouldn't challenge a man.
Then woman on the bus starts challenging the woman from Barcelona about making matters worse. One or two other passengers then join in, telling the guy to get off the bus because they have to get to work.
Guy eventually gets off the bus, gets back on at the exit door and tells the woman from Barcelona she is a very bad person and evil, and he will see her again. Woman from Barcelona then tells him good and comments on his fatness. Then continues the argument with the woman who criticised her.
Covid really has brought out the worst in people.
If in the coming months we get a speech from Biden about all this, stating categorically that there is ultra technology on earth that is not from the US and not from any other country, what will you say? Hopefully the first thing you will say is “sorry moonshine, sorry Leon, thank you for trying to alert us to the biggest story of human history.”
But then what?
Not sure about the Kate Bush / Trump analogy. That's a stretch too far.
Maybe it’s just a Staffs thing.
Doh! Why didn't the US Navy, the CIA, the USAF, the DoD, and the Pentagon not realise these are just "fairly simple holograms".. which apparently appear on radar?!
If the lab theory leak gains much more ground, especially around the bio-weapon theory, then it will have big reverberations around the world but particularly in the United States where the media was already on shaky ground with their treatment of the Hunter Biden story.
Added into that mix, it is likely that the election was stolen theory will rear its head again given what is happening in Arizona and Georgia.
I think the US is in for a febrile political atmosphere in 2021.
Because 99.46% of earthlings believe that there indeed IS something out there in outer space.
While lauding it as the most comprehensive FTA negotiated by Norway, it does not compare to EEA membership:
While the agreement ensures a predictable framework for Norwegian investors, exporters and services suppliers, it is not as comprehensive as the EEA Agreement. Prior to the UK’s withdrawal from the EU, the EEA Agreement provided for free movement of goods, services, capital and people between Norway and the UK. No free trade agreement will provide the same access to the UK market. Nor will it dismantle all the trade barriers that have been removed under the EEA Agreement. The free trade agreement does not set out a common set of rules and principles of mutual recognition that facilitate free movement, which is a cornerstone of the EEA Agreement.
‘The agreement establishes an important framework for supporting and developing economic cooperation between Norway and the UK, but it does not replace the comprehensive arrangements we enjoyed under the EEA Agreement,’ said Minister of Foreign Affairs Ine Eriksen Søreide.
I have read David Henig for a long time and while clearly anti-Brexit he is not hysterical.
Whereas Philip Thompson appears to be some kind of fantasist whose main activity appears to be posting on here. It is not clear what Philip is supposed to be an expert in.
If intelligent life is relatively abundant, our visitors would be quite practiced at introductions. And most likely, they’d have learnt that a few decades of teasing a bit of leg and then the suspenders before undoing the bra, is a whole lot less disruptive to complex societies like ours than just walking up naked and banging on the door. After all these decades of drip drip it’s still going to be mighty unsettling for most people if it’s confirmed.
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IF (and this isn't just a big if it's the biggest if I've ever written) there is something in it then it'll be the biggest story ever, and the main bit of that will be politics. I both hope to and fear seeing such a thing in my lifetime. The fear is mainly about us rather than ET.
And everyone has been on edge for months. The slight relief of pressure and it is no surprise some steam is released.
If you are anti Europe like @Philip_Thompson then you adopt his nuance
Fairly reasonable summary do you not think
Where I live now the problem is that taxis are actually cheaper than the bus. It is only people who somehow get free travel who go on the bus. The bus is always late, the whole thing is just hopeless.
The only way to prove it would be to arrest you and do a full investigation.
That wouldn’t happen as if they arrested a disabled person for being disabled...well, I don’t have to draw a diagram.
They also of course can’t demand ID unless they arrest you.
So they rely on us being willing to protect each other (for what use masks are, which is probably not a lot in practice on a train or bus) to enforce it.
Which is fine - as long as there is a point to it.
If it’s being done simply because a bunch of scientists want to err on the side of caution, that compliance will plummet.
Urs Hostettler - Zu Vaduz lag ich gefangen (I was imprisoned in Vaduz)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maegnPoNVt4
I still harbour a bit of fear about them. They could be benign and slowly softening us up for contact. But it might be that they just don’t care if we see them. That would be very unsettling indeed.
Other "more prosaic" explanations include: visitors from a parallel universe or the first proof of time travel. You know, the mundane stuff
However I am now open to the possibility of aliens in a way I never was before. We have to accept that this is one amongst several rationales for what is being seen
Trade policy, and expert opinion, is not like choosing a preferred cola brand.
Which is very good for reminding his electorate of it every so often.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/may/29/unite-union-funding-legal-battles-low-paid-workers
Overall it's better for the UK tha what we had with Norway under the EEA, at least for how the UK economy is structured but probably not as good as what Norway had with the UK under the EEA. I think this relationship replicates what the UK government sees as the near end state relationship with the EU. Not many fucks given about goods but clearing the way for removal services NTBs. On the latter I expect a lot of bilateral deals to be done by the UK with EU countries not called France and Germany. I know there is a lot of interest on some qualifications mutual recognition for areas the EU doesn't cover but loads want to kick it into next year for fear that the EU will try and claim jurisdiction and block any side deals with the UK and shut down other pre-existing deals with other non-EU countries.
We are utterly defenceless and at their mercy.
However, nowt has happened yet so the signs are good so far.
Farage has as much space as he wants really. He's not got that much to say, but I certainly won't ignore him. I think that's the sort of place that Trump needs to be.
(All the other things mind! ...
Because I have always loved rockpools, I have always loved observing the tiny life inside them, the scuttling crab, the darting guppy, the wafting weeds, the brooding barnacle. Do I care if they "see" me, gazing down at them? No, I don't want to frighten them, so I try not to get too close, but I don't worry about the crab looking up and wondering at that big strange shape
Nor do I try and talk to the anenome, or land on the "White House lawn" of the limpet. It's pointless, they are so far beneath me we can't really chat
As a boy, when really bored, I might shove a stick in, to start a fight between the crayfish and the stickleback, that's about it
Hopefully the aliens are like grown-up me, not me as a boy.
But the rockpool analogy might explain why we sometimes see them, and why they watch us, and why they don't particularly care if they are observed, even if they do not want to interfere. Yet
On a related point, I remain puzzled as to why Osama Bin Laden denied responsibility for so long. Yes, I know he later admitted he had known about it, but why didn’t he claim it to start? It was everything his rather vile and twisted mind had ever dreamed of and more.
"The U.S. Navy just admitted that we do not have air superiority in our own airspace.
"Then they followed up that statement of fact by floating the possibility that China or Russia have (somehow) leapfrogged our technology by more than 100 years, and that they have had this technology since at least the mid 2000s, which would represent an unprecedented and utterly catastrophic U.S. military and intelligence failure.
"Of course, having that technology since the 2000s implies that they would have begun developing it no later than the 1990s. Given the state of both countries at the time, and the fact that China just recently unveiled their new J-20 fighter jet with pride (widely regarded as being an inferior design based on stolen U.S. technology), and that Russia's military budget is less than 10 percent of U.S. spending, I find that conclusion improbable. And, of course, no one is in full-on panic mode.
"The report flatly states that this is not U.S. technology in origin. If true, it leaves only one plausible possibility."