On the naming of Student Union facilities. Whilst at Sheffield Poly (no sniggering) a competition was held to propose and then vote on a name for a new salad bar. Inevitably, the winner was “Seaview”. Equally inevitably, the bar was named the Nelson Mandela Salad Bar. The average student thought it a right laugh and felt no need to have an attack of the anti-woke vapours.
I think the difference is that then it was confined to silly virtue-signalling student union politicos whereas now this stuff has seeped into the mainstream.
I've felt much better about it over the last couple of months though. Now that the Government and public are (finally) wise to what's going on I think there will be a strong pushback to put this nonsense back in its box. At least in the UK.
Mr. Eagles, you'll be devastated when you hear of what Caesar did to the Thuringii.
Personally I'm not keen on Churchill College, Cambridge. They should abolish that.
Forget the fact that Churchill was a war criminal and racist they should abolish it for being a JCL college.
And Jesus College. That should definitely go.
Fun fact about Jesus College, Jesus doesn't appear anywhere in the official name. Call it Virgin College and everybody will be happy as 'virgin' does appear in the official name, twice.
Jesus College wants to hide a plaque (and put it in a side room) of a guy who gave them 2000 quid in 1671 equivalent to 450k now to fund scholarships for orphaned children of Anglican clergy, because of his links to the slave trade.
Eastasia has always been at war with Oceania.
That’s impressive, dragging up 350 year old stories.
Funnily enough, China and India don’t see maths as being racist, and are turning out millions of mathematicians every year.
Looking at the story it is a bit more reasonable than calculus is racist. It is about the benefits or otherwise of streaming. My experience of teaching Physics is that there is a huge variation in students’ abilities to use maths. My own experience of learning maths is that once you have understood and mastered a topic there is nothing so deadly as being asked to do it again and again while waiting for others to catch up. I’ve seen studies in the UK (which I have no links to, sorry) that in a typical school there may be seven school years difference in ability within a single Y7 maths class: streaming is essential if you are not going t end up with bewildered pupils at one end and terminally bored ones at the other.
I had a lovely long weekend with friends and the other half.
It was wonderful, have to say if the government changes the roadmap date of June 21st I suspect not many people will follow it.
Unless Covid-19 mutates into a flesh eating variant then lockdown is dead and never coming back.
Isn't the problem more that 21 June is things that you have no choice about following? If businesses are forced to maintain social distancing and keep the rule of 6 at risk of being shut down or large events are banned then there isn't much customers can do about it.
In my own life, the biggest impact other than the rule of 6 is social distancing on martial arts training. Sure we could ignore it, but then (I understand) the instructor's insurance would be invalidated and that would put him and anyone who gets injured in a very uncomfortable position.
I suspect people will ignore the rule of isx in homes and gardens if the roadmap is delayed.
On Naomi Osaka, it seems very odd state of affairs. It seems the authorities haven’t handled it well - it’s not good for anyone to lose one of the star players from the tournament.
However, I did argue for Man Utd to be docked points every time Fergie didn’t talk to the BBC.
It's disgraceful.
She talks with her racket and the idea that players should have to dance for the media shows what a disgusting state of affairs our world has sunk into.
Mental wellbeing comes first. The tournaments and media should fuck right off until they get that message.
Professional sport is only there because fans watch it - If tennis players think they dont need to bother with fans through TV then there is no professional tennis in the end
Real sports fans want to watch the players playing not watch them being asked dumb questions by journos.
How many football fans give a monkey's about the post-match interviews with players? How many would say they are not going to watch the game anymore if we don't get to see the players interviewed afterwards? Most, like me, have switched off by that point anyway. Any I have seen are pointless cliche-ridden "sick as a parrot:, "over the moon" stuff anyway.
Meanwhile the island is awash with tourists, yet the problems with progressing vaccinations among our under-40s, as discussed in a PB thread two weeks' back, are still unresolved, with many of our under-40s - the very people working in travel and hospitality - still unvaccinated, being told to wait, or that they have to travel to Portsmouth or Southampton for the Pfizer. That after nearly a month of under-40s being eligible, we still don't have a local Pfizer centre that is bookable through the national NHS website is a scandal.
To be honest I cannot think of a more lame excuse then they cannot travel for their vaccine, no matter they are on the Isle of Wight
Most anyone sensible would travel anywhere in the UK at this time to be vaccinated
Why not just have Pfizer there though? The local health people are letting under 40s down by not having one.
Yep. There is Pfizer - but it's out at GP practices having been used for the elderly, and the dribbling tail of second doses. These sites aren't bookable via the national (English) NHS system, whereas the main vaccination centre in the sports hall, where I had my AZN, is. They've clearly been caught on the hop by the effective withdrawal of the AZN from the under-40s, but after three weeks of faffing about the failure to deliver a solution is pitifully poor.
Those under-40s who, following advice like my own, are making a big fuss are being redirected to GP practices on a case-by-case basis. But there is no 'system' for the majority, and we still have 38 and 39-year olds kept "on hold" while Northern Ireland and SW London throws it open to all over-18s. Meanwhile we're awash with tourists.
If there is a third wave, put your money on it starting here....
I had a lovely long weekend with friends and the other half.
It was wonderful, have to say if the government changes the roadmap date of June 21st I suspect not many people will follow it.
Unless Covid-19 mutates into a flesh eating variant then lockdown is dead and never coming back.
Isn't the problem more that 21 June is things that you have no choice about following? If businesses are forced to maintain social distancing and keep the rule of 6 at risk of being shut down or large events are banned then there isn't much customers can do about it.
In my own life, the biggest impact other than the rule of 6 is social distancing on martial arts training. Sure we could ignore it, but then (I understand) the instructor's insurance would be invalidated and that would put him and anyone who gets injured in a very uncomfortable position.
I suspect people will ignore the rule of isx in homes and gardens if the roadmap is delayed.
I suspect most already are.
Yup. I think there's a strong correlation between that and the (double) jabbed.
On the naming of Student Union facilities. Whilst at Sheffield Poly (no sniggering) a competition was held to propose and then vote on a name for a new salad bar. Inevitably, the winner was “Seaview”. Equally inevitably, the bar was named the Nelson Mandela Salad Bar. The average student thought it a right laugh and felt no need to have an attack of the anti-woke vapours.
I think the difference is that then it was confined to silly virtue-signalling student union politicos whereas now this stuff has seeped into the mainstream.
I've felt much better about it over the last couple of months though. Now that the Government and public are (finally) wise to what's going on I think there will be a strong pushback to put this nonsense back in its box. At least in the UK.
Because those selfsame whiny, self-regarding, gobshites are now running all the branches of our public services.
Mr. Eagles, you'll be devastated when you hear of what Caesar did to the Thuringii.
Personally I'm not keen on Churchill College, Cambridge. They should abolish that.
Forget the fact that Churchill was a war criminal and racist they should abolish it for being a JCL college.
And Jesus College. That should definitely go.
Fun fact about Jesus College, Jesus doesn't appear anywhere in the official name. Call it Virgin College and everybody will be happy as 'virgin' does appear in the official name, twice.
Oriel is a nickname, and New is only the first word of New College’s official name (all this is from memory, so I may be wrong: I suspect some will tell me if I am).
Good luck. Check what is behind you on Zoom/Webex/Teams calls. Make sure you know how the mute button works and be aware that the muted icon on one app is the same as the unmuted icon on another. Consider buying an external camera, especially if your own is at the base of your screen.
Oh, and always check for proposed railway lines through the middle of your clients' projects.
Jesus College wants to hide a plaque (and put it in a side room) of a guy who gave them 2000 quid in 1671 equivalent to 450k now to fund scholarships for orphaned children of Anglican clergy, because of his links to the slave trade.
Eastasia has always been at war with Oceania.
Net net the guy probably created more orphans than he helped. At least now others facing a similar quandary about how to deal with these issues can ask "what would Jesus do?"
What's the extent of his connection?
If he had the readies to hand over £450k in today's money I am guessing it was more than tangential.
The slave trade was the only way to make money? Do you know who the donor was?
Tobias Rustat.
However, Rustat’s involvement in the Royal African Company, which transported almost 150,000 slaves to the Americas, led the college to address his legacy by removing a portrait and renaming the “Rustat feast” previously held in his honour.
IIRC The RAC (not the rival to the AA) transported more slaves to America during the transAtlantic slave trade than any other company.
The head of Jesus College is a descendent of slaves. It would seem odd to make her sit through a feast named in honour of someone who profited from the murder and exploitation of her ancestors. Although I suspect her ancestry helps to explain some of the frothing on the topic in the right wing press. Nothing gets these people upset more than a woman of colour in a position of authority.
I had a lovely long weekend with friends and the other half.
It was wonderful, have to say if the government changes the roadmap date of June 21st I suspect not many people will follow it.
Unless Covid-19 mutates into a flesh eating variant then lockdown is dead and never coming back.
Isn't the problem more that 21 June is things that you have no choice about following? If businesses are forced to maintain social distancing and keep the rule of 6 at risk of being shut down or large events are banned then there isn't much customers can do about it.
In my own life, the biggest impact other than the rule of 6 is social distancing on martial arts training. Sure we could ignore it, but then (I understand) the instructor's insurance would be invalidated and that would put him and anyone who gets injured in a very uncomfortable position.
I suspect people will ignore the rule of isx in homes and gardens if the roadmap is delayed.
I expect they already are (I think it's rule of 30 now in gardens anyway). However, socialising at home isn't everything. For example, I wanted to take my remaining grandparents and immediate family out to an expensive dinner since most of them missed my wedding last August. I can't do that with the rule of 6. I'd be happy to host them in my flat, but space means there's effectively a rule of 8 for dinner regardless of the law. The garden is a bit of a stretch as it's communal, not all that big and the vagueries of English weather when people will have to travel overnight to be here.
This isn't having a devastating impact on my life (unlike my inability to punch people and be punched by them!), but I'm giving it as an example of why it's not enough to just glibly say "you can ignore the rules".
Mr. Eagles, you'll be devastated when you hear of what Caesar did to the Thuringii.
Personally I'm not keen on Churchill College, Cambridge. They should abolish that.
Forget the fact that Churchill was a war criminal and racist they should abolish it for being a JCL college.
And Jesus College. That should definitely go.
Fun fact about Jesus College, Jesus doesn't appear anywhere in the official name. Call it Virgin College and everybody will be happy as 'virgin' does appear in the official name, twice.
University Challenge would take some time if they had to read out the name in full each time one of the contestants buzzed to answer a starter question.
As an aside, I had never even heard of Naomi Osaka before today. She's a tennis player. She said she was depressed and therefore decided not to do a press conference.
I am struggling to see a story here.
But Piers Morgan decided there was one. Apparently, she's a "brat" and a "madam", because she chose to skip questions from the press.
Now Piers is entitled to his opinions. But didn't Piers Morgan walk off a Good Morning Britain show when faced with questions he didn't like?
Naomi Osaka defeated Sabrina Williams last year IIRC. Her leaving the French Open is a HUGE blow for the event and the sport.
She's had some mental health issues, specifically difficulty dealing with being cross-examined about her ups & esp downs on the tennis court. There appears to have been a basic communications breakdown between her and French Open officials.
For which both share blame, but more goes on them methinks, because it sure seems she has a legitimate personal issue AND she's one of the more interesting & potentially great players on the court today? Or NOT on the court in this case.
I know we have the cult of the individual today and the mere mention of mental health means we must feel sorry for whoever claims it as an issue (despite how badly behaved they are) but the French open exists to play a tennis tournament. The prize money the players get (females now get as much as males and it is a lot) comes mainly from TV rights . So it stands to reason players have to engage with it. The French open needs to be about the tennis not her. Just wish the French Open would say that without having to take her issues into account.
I know nothing of this, but my understanding is that these tournaments should be about evaluating via series of competitive match ups who is the best tennis player.
If someone wishes only to play tennis, and not to appear at press conferences, that doesn't seem unreasonable.
Of course, if that is unacceptable to the competition organizer, then they are free to make appearance a condition of play, and players are free to find that either tolerable or intolerable.
My issue - such that it was - was more about Piers Morgan being a dickwad.
The problem is that the competition is professional, and the prize money is being paid for by the media.
Appearance at the press conferences is very much a condition of playing in the tournament, which Miss Osaka has now decided is unacceptable to her and withdrawn.
When you say "very much", is it a contractual requirement of playing, or something that is just assumed?
It is contractual. Players sign up to the rules. Article III.H of the Grand Slam rules requires players to attend a post-match media conference within 30 minutes of the end of the match unless they are injured and physically unable to appear or the tournament referee agrees otherwise. Non-appearance makes the player liable to a fine of up to $20k.
30 mins feels unnecessary, especially as some of the mens matches last five hours plus. Why not make it same day? That is probably easier on the players who have lost a long tough match without losing access for the journalists. They might even get better answers if they let the players get a bit refreshed.
You seem to be under the impression that the media want “better answers”. The conditions under which they are forced to perform are deliberate. The media want them to explode under pressure or emotion of the immediate aftermath. Or refuse to answer questions so that, yes, they can sell column inches describing their mental state. The one thing they absolutely DON’T want out of the press conferences is considered sensible answers to considered sensible questions.
And the level of emotion to be exploited in the aftermath of high intensity tennis matches is probably at least the equal of, if not greater than, any other high profile sport.
And in doing that, the media are probably delivering what a large chunk of the watching public want. I'm sure that includes me. Can anyone remember any football manager comment from 25 years ago other than Kevin Keegan's "Love it" rant?
Western Civilization really would be a good idea.
I wouldn’t say they’re necessarily delivering what the public want. They are delivering what will make the public pay any attention to press conferences. Which isn’t quite the same thing. Without the press conferences many of them would be out of a job. Or might actually have to pay greater attention to and write about the tennis matches themselves.
Many individual sports attract obsessive people with less than perfect social skills. Do we insist on excluding them because they prefer to play rather than talk?
I recall there was a professional golfer who admitted that he hated giving winner's speeches so much that he often aimed for second place. I played a bit of golf when young and will admit to the same.
When you are competing in front of a crowd that it isn't a social situation and is absolutely fine, because you are just concentrating on beating your opponent or playing your best shot and you are in your element.
I can totally sympathise with Miss Osaka. After all, she is very young, too.
What does it really add to the event having the media talk to someone who doesn't want to talk? If they are good enough to be paid well they'll have gone through media coaching and will just come out with the usual cr*p anyway.
Andy Murray was a great tennis player but fewer interviews would have been beneficial to his image. Like sausages, sometimes it is better not to see how things are made.
If she wants to talk in a quieter environment at a later time then fine.
Mr. Eagles, you'll be devastated when you hear of what Caesar did to the Thuringii.
Personally I'm not keen on Churchill College, Cambridge. They should abolish that.
Forget the fact that Churchill was a war criminal and racist they should abolish it for being a JCL college.
And Jesus College. That should definitely go.
Is Jesus getting cancelled? I would have thought he was woker than woke (for his time). - Leftwing firebrand (money lender incident) - Standing up for the rights of depised minorities (tax collectors) - Forgiving of members of the oldest profession (the sinful woman) And, above all, he was successful and popular (for a time, at least) despite being in a minority ethnic group (white, as we know from the pictures)
As an aside, I had never even heard of Naomi Osaka before today. She's a tennis player. She said she was depressed and therefore decided not to do a press conference.
I am struggling to see a story here.
But Piers Morgan decided there was one. Apparently, she's a "brat" and a "madam", because she chose to skip questions from the press.
Now Piers is entitled to his opinions. But didn't Piers Morgan walk off a Good Morning Britain show when faced with questions he didn't like?
Naomi Osaka defeated Sabrina Williams last year IIRC. Her leaving the French Open is a HUGE blow for the event and the sport.
She's had some mental health issues, specifically difficulty dealing with being cross-examined about her ups & esp downs on the tennis court. There appears to have been a basic communications breakdown between her and French Open officials.
For which both share blame, but more goes on them methinks, because it sure seems she has a legitimate personal issue AND she's one of the more interesting & potentially great players on the court today? Or NOT on the court in this case.
I know we have the cult of the individual today and the mere mention of mental health means we must feel sorry for whoever claims it as an issue (despite how badly behaved they are) but the French open exists to play a tennis tournament. The prize money the players get (females now get as much as males and it is a lot) comes mainly from TV rights . So it stands to reason players have to engage with it. The French open needs to be about the tennis not her. Just wish the French Open would say that without having to take her issues into account.
I know nothing of this, but my understanding is that these tournaments should be about evaluating via series of competitive match ups who is the best tennis player.
If someone wishes only to play tennis, and not to appear at press conferences, that doesn't seem unreasonable.
Of course, if that is unacceptable to the competition organizer, then they are free to make appearance a condition of play, and players are free to find that either tolerable or intolerable.
My issue - such that it was - was more about Piers Morgan being a dickwad.
The problem is that the competition is professional, and the prize money is being paid for by the media.
Appearance at the press conferences is very much a condition of playing in the tournament, which Miss Osaka has now decided is unacceptable to her and withdrawn.
When you say "very much", is it a contractual requirement of playing, or something that is just assumed?
It is contractual. Players sign up to the rules. Article III.H of the Grand Slam rules requires players to attend a post-match media conference within 30 minutes of the end of the match unless they are injured and physically unable to appear or the tournament referee agrees otherwise. Non-appearance makes the player liable to a fine of up to $20k.
30 mins feels unnecessary, especially as some of the mens matches last five hours plus. Why not make it same day? That is probably easier on the players who have lost a long tough match without losing access for the journalists. They might even get better answers if they let the players get a bit refreshed.
You seem to be under the impression that the media want “better answers”. The conditions under which they are forced to perform are deliberate. The media want them to explode under pressure or emotion of the immediate aftermath. Or refuse to answer questions so that, yes, they can sell column inches describing their mental state. The one thing they absolutely DON’T want out of the press conferences is considered sensible answers to considered sensible questions.
And the level of emotion to be exploited in the aftermath of high intensity tennis matches is probably at least the equal of, if not greater than, any other high profile sport.
And in doing that, the media are probably delivering what a large chunk of the watching public want. I'm sure that includes me. Can anyone remember any football manager comment from 25 years ago other than Kevin Keegan's "Love it" rant?
Western Civilization really would be a good idea.
I wouldn’t say they’re necessarily delivering what the public want. They are delivering what will make the public pay any attention to press conferences. Which isn’t quite the same thing. Without the press conferences many of them would be out of a job. Or might actually have to pay greater attention to and write about the tennis matches themselves.
Many individual sports attract obsessive people with less than perfect social skills. Do we insist on excluding them because they prefer to play rather than talk?
I recall there was a professional golfer who admitted that he hated giving winner's speeches so much that he often aimed for second place. I played a bit of golf when young and will admit to the same.
When you are competing in front of the crowd that it isn't a social situation and is absolutely fine, because you are just concentrating on beating your opponent or playing your best shot and you are in your element.
I can totally sympathise with Miss Osaka. After all, she is very young, too.
What does it really add to the event having the media talk to someone who doesn't want to talk? If they are good enough to be paid well they'll have gone through media coaching and will just come out with the usual cr*p anyway.
Andy Murray was a great tennis player but fewer interviews would have been beneficial to his image. Like sausages, sometimes it is better not to see how things are made.
If she wants to talk in a quieter environment at a later time then fine.
I think this is all fair as to what the situation perhaps should be, but if it is part of contractual arrangements then there is not much scope for moaning - none of them have to attend tournaments.
If the contractual arrangements do not have reasonable provision for addressing peoples' mental health issues vs their physical ones, that seems to me to be a separate matter.
Mr. Eagles, you'll be devastated when you hear of what Caesar did to the Thuringii.
Personally I'm not keen on Churchill College, Cambridge. They should abolish that.
Forget the fact that Churchill was a war criminal and racist they should abolish it for being a JCL college.
And Jesus College. That should definitely go.
Is Jesus getting cancelled? I would have thought he was woker than woke (for his time). - Leftwing firebrand (money lender incident) - Standing up for the rights of depised minorities (tax collectors) - Forgiving of members of the oldest profession (the sinful woman) And, above all, he was successful and popular (for a time, at least) despite being in a minority ethnic group (white, as we know from the pictures)
Mr. Eagles, you'll be devastated when you hear of what Caesar did to the Thuringii.
Personally I'm not keen on Churchill College, Cambridge. They should abolish that.
Forget the fact that Churchill was a war criminal and racist they should abolish it for being a JCL college.
And Jesus College. That should definitely go.
Fun fact about Jesus College, Jesus doesn't appear anywhere in the official name. Call it Virgin College and everybody will be happy as 'virgin' does appear in the official name, twice.
University Challenge would take some time if they had to read out the name in full each time one of the contestants buzzed to answer a starter question.
.. and apologise at the same time for any benefactor with connections the woke don't like.
Addendum - interesting to note which way the actual big-time tennis players are going on this.
The last paragraph is brilliant. I would like to think it’s deliberate dry wit:
Two hours after Osaka’s announcement, Moretton conducted a press conference in which he read out a statement in French and English, calling Osaka’s withdrawal “unfortunate” and wishing her “the quickest possible recovery.” He left without fielding any questions from the press.
This guy will be VERY lucky IF he's still the head of the French tennis federation next week.
Remember that his customers, those who pay his wages, are the media and sponsors.
You mean they pay the millions that go to these overpaid whinging numpties for knocking a little ball over a net. She needs to get her oversized ego trimmed. She is happy to sign the contract and take the millions , get on with fulfilling it, just another overpaid prima donna.
Mr. Eagles, you'll be devastated when you hear of what Caesar did to the Thuringii.
Personally I'm not keen on Churchill College, Cambridge. They should abolish that.
Forget the fact that Churchill was a war criminal and racist they should abolish it for being a JCL college.
And Jesus College. That should definitely go.
Fun fact about Jesus College, Jesus doesn't appear anywhere in the official name. Call it Virgin College and everybody will be happy as 'virgin' does appear in the official name, twice.
University Challenge would take some time if they had to read out the name in full each time one of the contestants buzzed to answer a starter question.
I was once shown a CV where somebody who had put the university they had attended as The College of Corpus Christi and the Blessed Virgin Mary in the University of Cambridge.
I'm just glad they weren't an alumnus of Trinity where all the best people go.
I had a lovely long weekend with friends and the other half.
It was wonderful, have to say if the government changes the roadmap date of June 21st I suspect not many people will follow it.
Unless Covid-19 mutates into a flesh eating variant then lockdown is dead and never coming back.
Isn't the problem more that 21 June is things that you have no choice about following? If businesses are forced to maintain social distancing and keep the rule of 6 at risk of being shut down or large events are banned then there isn't much customers can do about it.
In my own life, the biggest impact other than the rule of 6 is social distancing on martial arts training. Sure we could ignore it, but then (I understand) the instructor's insurance would be invalidated and that would put him and anyone who gets injured in a very uncomfortable position.
I suspect people will ignore the rule of isx in homes and gardens if the roadmap is delayed.
I suspect most already are.
People are acting as normal now.
The sectors that are suffering are hospitality and entertainment, which are obliged to follow the rules.
Agree , however given she has made millions from tennis and it stipulates in her contract that she has to do press interviews it seems that instead she would rather make more money from her own media sites seems to point to her being a greedy git. They should chase her.
Chase her for what?
She has paid a fine and sacrificed all earnings from the tournament.
What more is there?
For being an egotistical fcukwit, she signed a contract for millions. You trying to tell me she thought it was just pretend. Overpaid prima donna.
Interesting university counter-woke story from a while back.
Newcastle University main student bar was called "Mens Bar". The origins of the name are a bit myth/legend but the agreed rational was that it comes from the University Motto — mens agitat molem.
Anyway — the SU kept trying to change the name because they were embarrassed by it and over and over again the students kept voting to keep it, because well, we liked it.
In the end the SU decided to get rid of it as an option in the "referendum" as a name change so now the bar is called "Luthers" because Martin Luther King visited Newcastle, maybe once.
That sucked, but student unions have always sucked.
Students Unions have been like that for decades.
Most students simply laugh at them, and drink elsewhere by 2nd year.
But where else can you get 4 pints of Diesel (cider + lager + blackcurrant squash) for £5? (Note, I don't think this offer is available anymore).
Spoons?
In Bristol there were loads of midweek student offers. I managed to have a night out for £10 several times, with vodka redbull at £1.50 and club entry at £3.
Not much drink from that, hardly wet your whistle. When I were a lad you got 8 pints and change out of a pound. PS: that was standard price as well
Interesting university counter-woke story from a while back.
Newcastle University main student bar was called "Mens Bar". The origins of the name are a bit myth/legend but the agreed rational was that it comes from the University Motto — mens agitat molem.
Anyway — the SU kept trying to change the name because they were embarrassed by it and over and over again the students kept voting to keep it, because well, we liked it.
In the end the SU decided to get rid of it as an option in the "referendum" as a name change so now the bar is called "Luthers" because Martin Luther King visited Newcastle, maybe once.
That sucked, but student unions have always sucked.
Students Unions have been like that for decades.
Most students simply laugh at them, and drink elsewhere by 2nd year.
But where else can you get 4 pints of Diesel (cider + lager + blackcurrant squash) for £5? (Note, I don't think this offer is available anymore).
Diesel? That was a Snakebite back in my day.
Snakebite is without the blackcurrant, I believe.
Blackcurrant was for girlies only back when men were men
I had a lovely long weekend with friends and the other half.
It was wonderful, have to say if the government changes the roadmap date of June 21st I suspect not many people will follow it.
Unless Covid-19 mutates into a flesh eating variant then lockdown is dead and never coming back.
Isn't the problem more that 21 June is things that you have no choice about following? If businesses are forced to maintain social distancing and keep the rule of 6 at risk of being shut down or large events are banned then there isn't much customers can do about it.
In my own life, the biggest impact other than the rule of 6 is social distancing on martial arts training. Sure we could ignore it, but then (I understand) the instructor's insurance would be invalidated and that would put him and anyone who gets injured in a very uncomfortable position.
I suspect people will ignore the rule of isx in homes and gardens if the roadmap is delayed.
I suspect most already are.
People are acting as normal now.
The sectors that are suffering are hospitality and entertainment, which are obliged to follow the rules.
Almost as normal; the habit of stepping off the pavement to keep away from passers by seems to have become ingrained as habit with many folks now, is my experience (and not because I haven't taken a bath recently )
As an aside, I had never even heard of Naomi Osaka before today. She's a tennis player. She said she was depressed and therefore decided not to do a press conference.
I am struggling to see a story here.
But Piers Morgan decided there was one. Apparently, she's a "brat" and a "madam", because she chose to skip questions from the press.
Now Piers is entitled to his opinions. But didn't Piers Morgan walk off a Good Morning Britain show when faced with questions he didn't like?
Naomi Osaka defeated Sabrina Williams last year IIRC. Her leaving the French Open is a HUGE blow for the event and the sport.
She's had some mental health issues, specifically difficulty dealing with being cross-examined about her ups & esp downs on the tennis court. There appears to have been a basic communications breakdown between her and French Open officials.
For which both share blame, but more goes on them methinks, because it sure seems she has a legitimate personal issue AND she's one of the more interesting & potentially great players on the court today? Or NOT on the court in this case.
I know we have the cult of the individual today and the mere mention of mental health means we must feel sorry for whoever claims it as an issue (despite how badly behaved they are) but the French open exists to play a tennis tournament. The prize money the players get (females now get as much as males and it is a lot) comes mainly from TV rights . So it stands to reason players have to engage with it. The French open needs to be about the tennis not her. Just wish the French Open would say that without having to take her issues into account.
I know nothing of this, but my understanding is that these tournaments should be about evaluating via series of competitive match ups who is the best tennis player.
If someone wishes only to play tennis, and not to appear at press conferences, that doesn't seem unreasonable.
Of course, if that is unacceptable to the competition organizer, then they are free to make appearance a condition of play, and players are free to find that either tolerable or intolerable.
My issue - such that it was - was more about Piers Morgan being a dickwad.
The problem is that the competition is professional, and the prize money is being paid for by the media.
Appearance at the press conferences is very much a condition of playing in the tournament, which Miss Osaka has now decided is unacceptable to her and withdrawn.
When you say "very much", is it a contractual requirement of playing, or something that is just assumed?
It is contractual. Players sign up to the rules. Article III.H of the Grand Slam rules requires players to attend a post-match media conference within 30 minutes of the end of the match unless they are injured and physically unable to appear or the tournament referee agrees otherwise. Non-appearance makes the player liable to a fine of up to $20k.
30 mins feels unnecessary, especially as some of the mens matches last five hours plus. Why not make it same day? That is probably easier on the players who have lost a long tough match without losing access for the journalists. They might even get better answers if they let the players get a bit refreshed.
You seem to be under the impression that the media want “better answers”. The conditions under which they are forced to perform are deliberate. The media want them to explode under pressure or emotion of the immediate aftermath. Or refuse to answer questions so that, yes, they can sell column inches describing their mental state. The one thing they absolutely DON’T want out of the press conferences is considered sensible answers to considered sensible questions.
And the level of emotion to be exploited in the aftermath of high intensity tennis matches is probably at least the equal of, if not greater than, any other high profile sport.
And in doing that, the media are probably delivering what a large chunk of the watching public want. I'm sure that includes me. Can anyone remember any football manager comment from 25 years ago other than Kevin Keegan's "Love it" rant?
Western Civilization really would be a good idea.
I wouldn’t say they’re necessarily delivering what the public want. They are delivering what will make the public pay any attention to press conferences. Which isn’t quite the same thing. Without the press conferences many of them would be out of a job. Or might actually have to pay greater attention to and write about the tennis matches themselves.
Many individual sports attract obsessive people with less than perfect social skills. Do we insist on excluding them because they prefer to play rather than talk?
I recall there was a professional golfer who admitted that he hated giving winner's speeches so much that he often aimed for second place. I played a bit of golf when young and will admit to the same.
When you are competing in front of a crowd that it isn't a social situation and is absolutely fine, because you are just concentrating on beating your opponent or playing your best shot and you are in your element.
I can totally sympathise with Miss Osaka. After all, she is very young, too.
What does it really add to the event having the media talk to someone who doesn't want to talk? If they are good enough to be paid well they'll have gone through media coaching and will just come out with the usual cr*p anyway.
Andy Murray was a great tennis player but fewer interviews would have been beneficial to his image. Like sausages, sometimes it is better not to see how things are made.
If she wants to talk in a quieter environment at a later time then fine.
Rubbish, she has a contract to fulfill, less whining and a bit more work would do her a power of good.
Batley & Spen: the Workers Party of Britain can be laid from 85 upwards. That's George Galloway to his friends. But William Hill have him priced at 100/1.
I had a lovely long weekend with friends and the other half.
It was wonderful, have to say if the government changes the roadmap date of June 21st I suspect not many people will follow it.
Unless Covid-19 mutates into a flesh eating variant then lockdown is dead and never coming back.
Isn't the problem more that 21 June is things that you have no choice about following? If businesses are forced to maintain social distancing and keep the rule of 6 at risk of being shut down or large events are banned then there isn't much customers can do about it.
In my own life, the biggest impact other than the rule of 6 is social distancing on martial arts training. Sure we could ignore it, but then (I understand) the instructor's insurance would be invalidated and that would put him and anyone who gets injured in a very uncomfortable position.
I suspect people will ignore the rule of isx in homes and gardens if the roadmap is delayed.
I suspect most already are.
People are acting as normal now.
The sectors that are suffering are hospitality and entertainment, which are obliged to follow the rules.
Yes, there’s still businesses ordered closed, and many more having to work at reduced capacity, that have no choice in the matter. Ask anyone running a pub with half the tables missing.
Interesting university counter-woke story from a while back.
Newcastle University main student bar was called "Mens Bar". The origins of the name are a bit myth/legend but the agreed rational was that it comes from the University Motto — mens agitat molem.
Anyway — the SU kept trying to change the name because they were embarrassed by it and over and over again the students kept voting to keep it, because well, we liked it.
In the end the SU decided to get rid of it as an option in the "referendum" as a name change so now the bar is called "Luthers" because Martin Luther King visited Newcastle, maybe once.
That sucked, but student unions have always sucked.
Students Unions have been like that for decades.
Most students simply laugh at them, and drink elsewhere by 2nd year.
But where else can you get 4 pints of Diesel (cider + lager + blackcurrant squash) for £5? (Note, I don't think this offer is available anymore).
Diesel? That was a Snakebite back in my day.
Snakebite is without the blackcurrant, I believe.
Blackcurrant was for girlies only back when men were men
I see the Alex Salmond School for Diversity is doing you a power of good
As an aside, I had never even heard of Naomi Osaka before today. She's a tennis player. She said she was depressed and therefore decided not to do a press conference.
I am struggling to see a story here.
But Piers Morgan decided there was one. Apparently, she's a "brat" and a "madam", because she chose to skip questions from the press.
Now Piers is entitled to his opinions. But didn't Piers Morgan walk off a Good Morning Britain show when faced with questions he didn't like?
Naomi Osaka defeated Sabrina Williams last year IIRC. Her leaving the French Open is a HUGE blow for the event and the sport.
She's had some mental health issues, specifically difficulty dealing with being cross-examined about her ups & esp downs on the tennis court. There appears to have been a basic communications breakdown between her and French Open officials.
For which both share blame, but more goes on them methinks, because it sure seems she has a legitimate personal issue AND she's one of the more interesting & potentially great players on the court today? Or NOT on the court in this case.
I know we have the cult of the individual today and the mere mention of mental health means we must feel sorry for whoever claims it as an issue (despite how badly behaved they are) but the French open exists to play a tennis tournament. The prize money the players get (females now get as much as males and it is a lot) comes mainly from TV rights . So it stands to reason players have to engage with it. The French open needs to be about the tennis not her. Just wish the French Open would say that without having to take her issues into account.
I know nothing of this, but my understanding is that these tournaments should be about evaluating via series of competitive match ups who is the best tennis player.
If someone wishes only to play tennis, and not to appear at press conferences, that doesn't seem unreasonable.
Of course, if that is unacceptable to the competition organizer, then they are free to make appearance a condition of play, and players are free to find that either tolerable or intolerable.
My issue - such that it was - was more about Piers Morgan being a dickwad.
The problem is that the competition is professional, and the prize money is being paid for by the media.
Appearance at the press conferences is very much a condition of playing in the tournament, which Miss Osaka has now decided is unacceptable to her and withdrawn.
When you say "very much", is it a contractual requirement of playing, or something that is just assumed?
It is contractual. Players sign up to the rules. Article III.H of the Grand Slam rules requires players to attend a post-match media conference within 30 minutes of the end of the match unless they are injured and physically unable to appear or the tournament referee agrees otherwise. Non-appearance makes the player liable to a fine of up to $20k.
30 mins feels unnecessary, especially as some of the mens matches last five hours plus. Why not make it same day? That is probably easier on the players who have lost a long tough match without losing access for the journalists. They might even get better answers if they let the players get a bit refreshed.
You seem to be under the impression that the media want “better answers”. The conditions under which they are forced to perform are deliberate. The media want them to explode under pressure or emotion of the immediate aftermath. Or refuse to answer questions so that, yes, they can sell column inches describing their mental state. The one thing they absolutely DON’T want out of the press conferences is considered sensible answers to considered sensible questions.
And the level of emotion to be exploited in the aftermath of high intensity tennis matches is probably at least the equal of, if not greater than, any other high profile sport.
And in doing that, the media are probably delivering what a large chunk of the watching public want. I'm sure that includes me. Can anyone remember any football manager comment from 25 years ago other than Kevin Keegan's "Love it" rant?
Western Civilization really would be a good idea.
I wouldn’t say they’re necessarily delivering what the public want. They are delivering what will make the public pay any attention to press conferences. Which isn’t quite the same thing. Without the press conferences many of them would be out of a job. Or might actually have to pay greater attention to and write about the tennis matches themselves.
Many individual sports attract obsessive people with less than perfect social skills. Do we insist on excluding them because they prefer to play rather than talk?
I recall there was a professional golfer who admitted that he hated giving winner's speeches so much that he often aimed for second place. I played a bit of golf when young and will admit to the same.
When you are competing in front of a crowd that it isn't a social situation and is absolutely fine, because you are just concentrating on beating your opponent or playing your best shot and you are in your element.
I can totally sympathise with Miss Osaka. After all, she is very young, too.
What does it really add to the event having the media talk to someone who doesn't want to talk? If they are good enough to be paid well they'll have gone through media coaching and will just come out with the usual cr*p anyway.
Andy Murray was a great tennis player but fewer interviews would have been beneficial to his image. Like sausages, sometimes it is better not to see how things are made.
If she wants to talk in a quieter environment at a later time then fine.
Rubbish, she has a contract to fulfill, less whining and a bit more work would do her a power of good.
I agree there is a contract in this case and that in this situation she had to withdraw.
That wasn't really my point. Do the terms of the contract really benefit the sport?
I want to watch people who are great at tennis, not people being tortured in an interview.
Tiger Woods was pretty terrible at interviews but watch him on the course (I saw him win the Open at Hoylake with an absolute masterclass of control) and he was totally different. Nick Faldo was the same.
On the naming of Student Union facilities. Whilst at Sheffield Poly (no sniggering) a competition was held to propose and then vote on a name for a new salad bar. Inevitably, the winner was “Seaview”. Equally inevitably, the bar was named the Nelson Mandela Salad Bar. The average student thought it a right laugh and felt no need to have an attack of the anti-woke vapours.
I think the difference is that then it was confined to silly virtue-signalling student union politicos whereas now this stuff has seeped into the mainstream.
I've felt much better about it over the last couple of months though. Now that the Government and public are (finally) wise to what's going on I think there will be a strong pushback to put this nonsense back in its box. At least in the UK.
All seems very measured and sensible, and the exact opposite of trying to erase history. I genuinely struggle to understand how anyone could read this and have a problem with any of it.
Interesting university counter-woke story from a while back.
Newcastle University main student bar was called "Mens Bar". The origins of the name are a bit myth/legend but the agreed rational was that it comes from the University Motto — mens agitat molem.
Anyway — the SU kept trying to change the name because they were embarrassed by it and over and over again the students kept voting to keep it, because well, we liked it.
In the end the SU decided to get rid of it as an option in the "referendum" as a name change so now the bar is called "Luthers" because Martin Luther King visited Newcastle, maybe once.
That sucked, but student unions have always sucked.
Students Unions have been like that for decades.
Most students simply laugh at them, and drink elsewhere by 2nd year.
But where else can you get 4 pints of Diesel (cider + lager + blackcurrant squash) for £5? (Note, I don't think this offer is available anymore).
Spoons?
In Bristol there were loads of midweek student offers. I managed to have a night out for £10 several times, with vodka redbull at £1.50 and club entry at £3.
Not much drink from that, hardly wet your whistle. When I were a lad you got 8 pints and change out of a pound. PS: that was standard price as well
Not all of us can remember as far as you and JackW.
Possibly the number of people in London is significantly less than it was when the pandemic started so they are using the wrong number to divide into? There may also be a significant number who are not on any NHS list and so don’t get called.
As an aside, I had never even heard of Naomi Osaka before today. She's a tennis player. She said she was depressed and therefore decided not to do a press conference.
I am struggling to see a story here.
But Piers Morgan decided there was one. Apparently, she's a "brat" and a "madam", because she chose to skip questions from the press.
Now Piers is entitled to his opinions. But didn't Piers Morgan walk off a Good Morning Britain show when faced with questions he didn't like?
Naomi Osaka defeated Sabrina Williams last year IIRC. Her leaving the French Open is a HUGE blow for the event and the sport.
She's had some mental health issues, specifically difficulty dealing with being cross-examined about her ups & esp downs on the tennis court. There appears to have been a basic communications breakdown between her and French Open officials.
For which both share blame, but more goes on them methinks, because it sure seems she has a legitimate personal issue AND she's one of the more interesting & potentially great players on the court today? Or NOT on the court in this case.
I know we have the cult of the individual today and the mere mention of mental health means we must feel sorry for whoever claims it as an issue (despite how badly behaved they are) but the French open exists to play a tennis tournament. The prize money the players get (females now get as much as males and it is a lot) comes mainly from TV rights . So it stands to reason players have to engage with it. The French open needs to be about the tennis not her. Just wish the French Open would say that without having to take her issues into account.
I know nothing of this, but my understanding is that these tournaments should be about evaluating via series of competitive match ups who is the best tennis player.
If someone wishes only to play tennis, and not to appear at press conferences, that doesn't seem unreasonable.
Of course, if that is unacceptable to the competition organizer, then they are free to make appearance a condition of play, and players are free to find that either tolerable or intolerable.
My issue - such that it was - was more about Piers Morgan being a dickwad.
The problem is that the competition is professional, and the prize money is being paid for by the media.
Appearance at the press conferences is very much a condition of playing in the tournament, which Miss Osaka has now decided is unacceptable to her and withdrawn.
When you say "very much", is it a contractual requirement of playing, or something that is just assumed?
It is contractual. Players sign up to the rules. Article III.H of the Grand Slam rules requires players to attend a post-match media conference within 30 minutes of the end of the match unless they are injured and physically unable to appear or the tournament referee agrees otherwise. Non-appearance makes the player liable to a fine of up to $20k.
30 mins feels unnecessary, especially as some of the mens matches last five hours plus. Why not make it same day? That is probably easier on the players who have lost a long tough match without losing access for the journalists. They might even get better answers if they let the players get a bit refreshed.
You seem to be under the impression that the media want “better answers”. The conditions under which they are forced to perform are deliberate. The media want them to explode under pressure or emotion of the immediate aftermath. Or refuse to answer questions so that, yes, they can sell column inches describing their mental state. The one thing they absolutely DON’T want out of the press conferences is considered sensible answers to considered sensible questions.
And the level of emotion to be exploited in the aftermath of high intensity tennis matches is probably at least the equal of, if not greater than, any other high profile sport.
And in doing that, the media are probably delivering what a large chunk of the watching public want. I'm sure that includes me. Can anyone remember any football manager comment from 25 years ago other than Kevin Keegan's "Love it" rant?
Western Civilization really would be a good idea.
Not all football managers were without wit.
From the early 1980s we have Ron Atkinson, on being presented with his new company Rover 3500 at Manchester United (he had a Mercedes Benz at WBA). "I want a car not a dog".
On the same vein (re: Atkinson and Man. Utd.) a quip from Tommy Docherty: " half a million for (Remi) Moses? I could have got the original and the tablets for less".
On the naming of Student Union facilities. Whilst at Sheffield Poly (no sniggering) a competition was held to propose and then vote on a name for a new salad bar. Inevitably, the winner was “Seaview”. Equally inevitably, the bar was named the Nelson Mandela Salad Bar. The average student thought it a right laugh and felt no need to have an attack of the anti-woke vapours.
Rumour had it that the Mandela bar at Warwick was named for Winnie, not Nelson, which led to it being renamed once details of her activities became better known.
Against that, it was also rumoured that they used to serve an ovesized burger stack known as the Full Nelson and a slimmed down version known as the Half Nelson.
When I was there it was called The Graduate and was full of older women (post-grads) on the prowl for vulnerable young male freshers, or so the story went. I have to say I never experienced that as a vulnerable young male fresher.
I conclude that the rumours were likely all bollox.
Mr. Eagles, clarify, please: are you making the allegation of vegetarianism against Hitler as an attack or claiming it as a point in his favour?
Well I'm often told meat is murder and vegetarians are the best people people, almost exclusively by vegetarians.
It is an interesting one. I have always thought that there is probably a gene that makes some people want to force their views on others. many vegetarians, and more particularly Vegans (Hitler would probably now be a Vegan) fall into this
Mr. Eagles, clarify, please: are you making the allegation of vegetarianism against Hitler as an attack or claiming it as a point in his favour?
Well I'm often told meat is murder and vegetarians are the best people people, almost exclusively by vegetarians.
It is an interesting one. I have always thought that there is probably a gene that makes some people want to force their views on others. many vegetarians, and more particularly Vegans (Hitler would probably now be a Vegan) fall into this
Well I seriously doubt he has eaten any animal derived food for quite a while now...
Although it also makes sense that if an area lags due to lower take-up and is receiving the same share of vaccines then that area would get to younger people sooner.
(It may be, as previously discussed here, that there are fewer people in London now than official estimates so the denominator is wrong, but that denominator will still determine supply)
Not really - EVERYONE I know in London got vaccinated early. Precisely because their are so many people refusing, there's been lots of early availability for anyone that wants it. Good news for lowering R that so many more social people are already covered.
Possibly the number of people in London is significantly less than it was when the pandemic started so they are using the wrong number to divide into? There may also be a significant number who are not on any NHS list and so don’t get called.
Genomic surveillance of SARS-CoV-2 in England The largest in-depth analysis of genomic surveillance data mapping out the dynamics of 62 lineages of the SARS-CoV-2 virus
The analysis of B.1.617.2 indicates that its current growth rate is 35% (20–50%) higher than that of B.1.1.7, with the highest rates of spread seen in North West England. Such a growth advantage has not been observed for any other VOC or VUI.
The mechanisms for this increased spread are unknown, but are likely to be a combination of viral biology (transmission or the ability to evade the immune system), repeated introductions, and epidemiological factors in the communities where it was introduced.
Possibly the number of people in London is significantly less than it was when the pandemic started so they are using the wrong number to divide into? There may also be a significant number who are not on any NHS list and so don’t get called.
All of the above.
There’s going to be a point where everyone the NHS knows about, has been offered a vaccine, the question then becomes how to deal with people who they don’t know about. There’s going to be visitors who got stuck here, people here illegally or who have overstayed a visa, people who are wanted by authorities etc.
What are the ethical concerns about giving a vaccine to anyone who turns up at a pharmacy, with no questions asked? Obviously we can’t give them a certificate if we don’t know who they are, but we should be able to give them a jab or two.
Not really - EVERYONE I know in London got vaccinated early. Precisely because their are so many people refusing, there's been lots of early availability for anyone that wants it. Good news for lowering R that so many more social people are already covered.
Interesting. How many on here know people that have declined to be vaccinated when given the chance? We know it is happening, but I’m not sure I know anyone personally who has made that choice.
Possibly the number of people in London is significantly less than it was when the pandemic started so they are using the wrong number to divide into? There may also be a significant number who are not on any NHS list and so don’t get called.
I had a lovely long weekend with friends and the other half.
It was wonderful, have to say if the government changes the roadmap date of June 21st I suspect not many people will follow it.
Unless Covid-19 mutates into a flesh eating variant then lockdown is dead and never coming back.
Isn't the problem more that 21 June is things that you have no choice about following? If businesses are forced to maintain social distancing and keep the rule of 6 at risk of being shut down or large events are banned then there isn't much customers can do about it.
In my own life, the biggest impact other than the rule of 6 is social distancing on martial arts training. Sure we could ignore it, but then (I understand) the instructor's insurance would be invalidated and that would put him and anyone who gets injured in a very uncomfortable position.
I suspect people will ignore the rule of isx in homes and gardens if the roadmap is delayed.
I suspect most already are.
People are acting as normal now.
The sectors that are suffering are hospitality and entertainment, which are obliged to follow the rules.
Almost as normal; the habit of stepping off the pavement to keep away from passers by seems to have become ingrained as habit with many folks now, is my experience (and not because I haven't taken a bath recently )
Not needed at any stage of the pandemic. The government dropped the time element of social distancing (15 minutes) very early, probably because "too confusing" (ironically given how much that criticism has been thrown at anyone who tries nuance). So passing within 50 cm of someone for 1 to 2 seconds was never going to be an issue. And yet (some) people are still doing it. However - I attended a huge Flea Market at Shepton Mallet at the weekend. All outside of course, but <5 % wearing masks, and very little effort to stay 2m apart as we all drifted round the stalls (of >95% tat). I feel for the hospitality venues. Sat outside a pub after cricket on saturday, with my team, who I'd played with for 6 hours, and still had to contact trace. Mad.
Mr. Eagles, you'll be devastated when you hear of what Caesar did to the Thuringii.
Personally I'm not keen on Churchill College, Cambridge. They should abolish that.
Forget the fact that Churchill was a war criminal and racist they should abolish it for being a JCL college.
And Jesus College. That should definitely go.
Is Jesus getting cancelled? I would have thought he was woker than woke (for his time). - Leftwing firebrand (money lender incident) - Standing up for the rights of depised minorities (tax collectors) - Forgiving of members of the oldest profession (the sinful woman) And, above all, he was successful and popular (for a time, at least) despite being in a minority ethnic group (white, as we know from the pictures)
I fail to see the basis for cancelling Jesus.
Jesus was OK with slavery and used slavery often in his parables. Unsurprisingly since slavery was entirely normal in his day.
Which shows the problem of reading morality of the present into the past, and vice versa.
Possibly the number of people in London is significantly less than it was when the pandemic started so they are using the wrong number to divide into? There may also be a significant number who are not on any NHS list and so don’t get called.
All of the above.
There’s going to be a point where everyone the NHS knows about, has been offered a vaccine, the question then becomes how to deal with people who they don’t know about. There’s going to be visitors who got stuck here, people here illegally or who have overstayed a visa, people who are wanted by authorities etc.
What are the ethical concerns about giving a vaccine to anyone who turns up at a pharmacy, with no questions asked? Obviously we can’t give them a certificate if we don’t know who they are, but we should be able to give them a jab or two.
Would there be a danger if someone got more vaccinations than the two recommended? Or are there underlying medical condition that would mean you shouldn’t be vaccinated at all?
Not really - EVERYONE I know in London got vaccinated early. Precisely because their are so many people refusing, there's been lots of early availability for anyone that wants it. Good news for lowering R that so many more social people are already covered.
Interesting. How many on here know people that have declined to be vaccinated when given the chance? We know it is happening, but I’m not sure I know anyone personally who has made that choice.
I certainly know someone.
She is probably early 70s, usual crystals and alternative medicine type, ex primary school teacher. Says she 'feels well' and doesn't want the vaccine (despite having some health problems in reality).
She's been questioned about it by a number of friends but this has made no difference.
The problem is that she hangs around with some other people with the same attitude. At some point they are all going to get immunity whether they want it or not.
Genomic surveillance of SARS-CoV-2 in England The largest in-depth analysis of genomic surveillance data mapping out the dynamics of 62 lineages of the SARS-CoV-2 virus
The analysis of B.1.617.2 indicates that its current growth rate is 35% (20–50%) higher than that of B.1.1.7, with the highest rates of spread seen in North West England. Such a growth advantage has not been observed for any other VOC or VUI.
The mechanisms for this increased spread are unknown, but are likely to be a combination of viral biology (transmission or the ability to evade the immune system), repeated introductions, and epidemiological factors in the communities where it was introduced.
On the naming of Student Union facilities. Whilst at Sheffield Poly (no sniggering) a competition was held to propose and then vote on a name for a new salad bar. Inevitably, the winner was “Seaview”. Equally inevitably, the bar was named the Nelson Mandela Salad Bar. The average student thought it a right laugh and felt no need to have an attack of the anti-woke vapours.
Rumour had it that the Mandela bar at Warwick was named for Winnie, not Nelson, which led to it being renamed once details of her activities became better known.
Against that, it was also rumoured that they used to serve an ovesized burger stack known as the Full Nelson and a slimmed down version known as the Half Nelson.
When I was there it was called The Graduate and was full of older women (post-grads) on the prowl for vulnerable young male freshers, or so the story went. I have to say I never experienced that as a vulnerable young male fresher.
I conclude that the rumours were likely all bollox.
That was never a rumour in my time there (91-97). Always attributed to Nelson, as in Nelson Mandela House...
Genomic surveillance of SARS-CoV-2 in England The largest in-depth analysis of genomic surveillance data mapping out the dynamics of 62 lineages of the SARS-CoV-2 virus
The analysis of B.1.617.2 indicates that its current growth rate is 35% (20–50%) higher than that of B.1.1.7, with the highest rates of spread seen in North West England. Such a growth advantage has not been observed for any other VOC or VUI.
The mechanisms for this increased spread are unknown, but are likely to be a combination of viral biology (transmission or the ability to evade the immune system), repeated introductions, and epidemiological factors in the communities where it was introduced.
I am surprised these haven't become a political hot potato...its all well and good saying it only affects old cars for domestic use (which of course wallops the poor), but if you need a builder or plumber etc and live within the zone, i presume you the customer is going to see the cost passed onto you.
Meanwhile the island is awash with tourists, yet the problems with progressing vaccinations among our under-40s, as discussed in a PB thread two weeks' back, are still unresolved, with many of our under-40s - the very people working in travel and hospitality - still unvaccinated, being told to wait, or that they have to travel to Portsmouth or Southampton for the Pfizer. That after nearly a month of under-40s being eligible, we still don't have a local Pfizer centre that is bookable through the national NHS website is a scandal.
To be honest I cannot think of a more lame excuse then they cannot travel for their vaccine, no matter they are on the Isle of Wight
Most anyone sensible would travel anywhere in the UK at this time to be vaccinated
Why not just have Pfizer there though? The local health people are letting under 40s down by not having one.
Yep. There is Pfizer - but it's out at GP practices having been used for the elderly, and the dribbling tail of second doses. These sites aren't bookable via the national (English) NHS system, whereas the main vaccination centre in the sports hall, where I had my AZN, is. They've clearly been caught on the hop by the effective withdrawal of the AZN from the under-40s, but after three weeks of faffing about the failure to deliver a solution is pitifully poor.
Those under-40s who, following advice like my own, are making a big fuss are being redirected to GP practices on a case-by-case basis. But there is no 'system' for the majority, and we still have 38 and 39-year olds kept "on hold" while Northern Ireland and SW London throws it open to all over-18s. Meanwhile we're awash with tourists.
If there is a third wave, put your money on it starting here....
Wight lives don't matter...
This means "human lives don't matter". cf "wight"
I was told by someone from the IoW that 'Wight' meant 'Man', so two Isles of Man?
As an aside, I had never even heard of Naomi Osaka before today. She's a tennis player. She said she was depressed and therefore decided not to do a press conference.
I am struggling to see a story here.
But Piers Morgan decided there was one. Apparently, she's a "brat" and a "madam", because she chose to skip questions from the press.
Now Piers is entitled to his opinions. But didn't Piers Morgan walk off a Good Morning Britain show when faced with questions he didn't like?
Naomi Osaka defeated Sabrina Williams last year IIRC. Her leaving the French Open is a HUGE blow for the event and the sport.
She's had some mental health issues, specifically difficulty dealing with being cross-examined about her ups & esp downs on the tennis court. There appears to have been a basic communications breakdown between her and French Open officials.
For which both share blame, but more goes on them methinks, because it sure seems she has a legitimate personal issue AND she's one of the more interesting & potentially great players on the court today? Or NOT on the court in this case.
I know we have the cult of the individual today and the mere mention of mental health means we must feel sorry for whoever claims it as an issue (despite how badly behaved they are) but the French open exists to play a tennis tournament. The prize money the players get (females now get as much as males and it is a lot) comes mainly from TV rights . So it stands to reason players have to engage with it. The French open needs to be about the tennis not her. Just wish the French Open would say that without having to take her issues into account.
I know nothing of this, but my understanding is that these tournaments should be about evaluating via series of competitive match ups who is the best tennis player.
If someone wishes only to play tennis, and not to appear at press conferences, that doesn't seem unreasonable.
Of course, if that is unacceptable to the competition organizer, then they are free to make appearance a condition of play, and players are free to find that either tolerable or intolerable.
My issue - such that it was - was more about Piers Morgan being a dickwad.
The problem is that the competition is professional, and the prize money is being paid for by the media.
Appearance at the press conferences is very much a condition of playing in the tournament, which Miss Osaka has now decided is unacceptable to her and withdrawn.
When you say "very much", is it a contractual requirement of playing, or something that is just assumed?
It is contractual. Players sign up to the rules. Article III.H of the Grand Slam rules requires players to attend a post-match media conference within 30 minutes of the end of the match unless they are injured and physically unable to appear or the tournament referee agrees otherwise. Non-appearance makes the player liable to a fine of up to $20k.
30 mins feels unnecessary, especially as some of the mens matches last five hours plus. Why not make it same day? That is probably easier on the players who have lost a long tough match without losing access for the journalists. They might even get better answers if they let the players get a bit refreshed.
You seem to be under the impression that the media want “better answers”. The conditions under which they are forced to perform are deliberate. The media want them to explode under pressure or emotion of the immediate aftermath. Or refuse to answer questions so that, yes, they can sell column inches describing their mental state. The one thing they absolutely DON’T want out of the press conferences is considered sensible answers to considered sensible questions.
And the level of emotion to be exploited in the aftermath of high intensity tennis matches is probably at least the equal of, if not greater than, any other high profile sport.
And in doing that, the media are probably delivering what a large chunk of the watching public want. I'm sure that includes me. Can anyone remember any football manager comment from 25 years ago other than Kevin Keegan's "Love it" rant?
Western Civilization really would be a good idea.
I wouldn’t say they’re necessarily delivering what the public want. They are delivering what will make the public pay any attention to press conferences. Which isn’t quite the same thing. Without the press conferences many of them would be out of a job. Or might actually have to pay greater attention to and write about the tennis matches themselves.
Many individual sports attract obsessive people with less than perfect social skills. Do we insist on excluding them because they prefer to play rather than talk?
I recall there was a professional golfer who admitted that he hated giving winner's speeches so much that he often aimed for second place. I played a bit of golf when young and will admit to the same.
When you are competing in front of a crowd that it isn't a social situation and is absolutely fine, because you are just concentrating on beating your opponent or playing your best shot and you are in your element.
I can totally sympathise with Miss Osaka. After all, she is very young, too.
What does it really add to the event having the media talk to someone who doesn't want to talk? If they are good enough to be paid well they'll have gone through media coaching and will just come out with the usual cr*p anyway.
Andy Murray was a great tennis player but fewer interviews would have been beneficial to his image. Like sausages, sometimes it is better not to see how things are made.
If she wants to talk in a quieter environment at a later time then fine.
Rubbish, she has a contract to fulfill, less whining and a bit more work would do her a power of good.
A little less whining from you about her would be much appreciated as well.
Interesting university counter-woke story from a while back.
Newcastle University main student bar was called "Mens Bar". The origins of the name are a bit myth/legend but the agreed rational was that it comes from the University Motto — mens agitat molem.
Anyway — the SU kept trying to change the name because they were embarrassed by it and over and over again the students kept voting to keep it, because well, we liked it.
In the end the SU decided to get rid of it as an option in the "referendum" as a name change so now the bar is called "Luthers" because Martin Luther King visited Newcastle, maybe once.
That sucked, but student unions have always sucked.
Students Unions have been like that for decades.
Most students simply laugh at them, and drink elsewhere by 2nd year.
But where else can you get 4 pints of Diesel (cider + lager + blackcurrant squash) for £5? (Note, I don't think this offer is available anymore).
Spoons?
In Bristol there were loads of midweek student offers. I managed to have a night out for £10 several times, with vodka redbull at £1.50 and club entry at £3.
Not much drink from that, hardly wet your whistle. When I were a lad you got 8 pints and change out of a pound. PS: that was standard price as well
I've always just liked 3-4 drinks - for the sugar rush, confidence-boost and a bit of carefreeness on the dancefloor so I can have fun and don't mind talking to girls (which I was very shy of when I was 18 yrs old).
I've never liked getting absolutely hammered, and ending up out-of-control and sick.
Genomic surveillance of SARS-CoV-2 in England The largest in-depth analysis of genomic surveillance data mapping out the dynamics of 62 lineages of the SARS-CoV-2 virus
The analysis of B.1.617.2 indicates that its current growth rate is 35% (20–50%) higher than that of B.1.1.7, with the highest rates of spread seen in North West England. Such a growth advantage has not been observed for any other VOC or VUI.
The mechanisms for this increased spread are unknown, but are likely to be a combination of viral biology (transmission or the ability to evade the immune system), repeated introductions, and epidemiological factors in the communities where it was introduced.
Wierdly Steven Reicher (?) on R5 this morning asserted strongly that we now know that B.1.617.2 is 67% more transmissible than the Kent variant. Now I have not seen this published, and my bullshit detector flared at 67%, which is pretty much 2/3rds (and makes me suspect a very rough estimate from somewhere).
I had a lovely long weekend with friends and the other half.
It was wonderful, have to say if the government changes the roadmap date of June 21st I suspect not many people will follow it.
Unless Covid-19 mutates into a flesh eating variant then lockdown is dead and never coming back.
Isn't the problem more that 21 June is things that you have no choice about following? If businesses are forced to maintain social distancing and keep the rule of 6 at risk of being shut down or large events are banned then there isn't much customers can do about it.
In my own life, the biggest impact other than the rule of 6 is social distancing on martial arts training. Sure we could ignore it, but then (I understand) the instructor's insurance would be invalidated and that would put him and anyone who gets injured in a very uncomfortable position.
I suspect people will ignore the rule of isx in homes and gardens if the roadmap is delayed.
I suspect most already are.
People are acting as normal now.
The sectors that are suffering are hospitality and entertainment, which are obliged to follow the rules.
Almost as normal; the habit of stepping off the pavement to keep away from passers by seems to have become ingrained as habit with many folks now, is my experience (and not because I haven't taken a bath recently )
Meanwhile the island is awash with tourists, yet the problems with progressing vaccinations among our under-40s, as discussed in a PB thread two weeks' back, are still unresolved, with many of our under-40s - the very people working in travel and hospitality - still unvaccinated, being told to wait, or that they have to travel to Portsmouth or Southampton for the Pfizer. That after nearly a month of under-40s being eligible, we still don't have a local Pfizer centre that is bookable through the national NHS website is a scandal.
To be honest I cannot think of a more lame excuse then they cannot travel for their vaccine, no matter they are on the Isle of Wight
Most anyone sensible would travel anywhere in the UK at this time to be vaccinated
Why not just have Pfizer there though? The local health people are letting under 40s down by not having one.
Yep. There is Pfizer - but it's out at GP practices having been used for the elderly, and the dribbling tail of second doses. These sites aren't bookable via the national (English) NHS system, whereas the main vaccination centre in the sports hall, where I had my AZN, is. They've clearly been caught on the hop by the effective withdrawal of the AZN from the under-40s, but after three weeks of faffing about the failure to deliver a solution is pitifully poor.
Those under-40s who, following advice like my own, are making a big fuss are being redirected to GP practices on a case-by-case basis. But there is no 'system' for the majority, and we still have 38 and 39-year olds kept "on hold" while Northern Ireland and SW London throws it open to all over-18s. Meanwhile we're awash with tourists.
If there is a third wave, put your money on it starting here....
Wight lives don't matter...
This means "human lives don't matter". cf "wight"
I was told by someone from the IoW that 'Wight' meant 'Man', so two Isles of Man?
Wikipedia says mythical sentient being, often undead.
Which implies that one is Manx and the other manky (not dissing IoW, South Island is a lovely place!)
Edit: seeing @IanB2 's comment below about not taking a bath, maybe it is manky!
Possibly the number of people in London is significantly less than it was when the pandemic started so they are using the wrong number to divide into? There may also be a significant number who are not on any NHS list and so don’t get called.
All of the above.
There’s going to be a point where everyone the NHS knows about, has been offered a vaccine, the question then becomes how to deal with people who they don’t know about. There’s going to be visitors who got stuck here, people here illegally or who have overstayed a visa, people who are wanted by authorities etc.
What are the ethical concerns about giving a vaccine to anyone who turns up at a pharmacy, with no questions asked? Obviously we can’t give them a certificate if we don’t know who they are, but we should be able to give them a jab or two.
Would there be a danger if someone got more vaccinations than the two recommended? Or are there underlying medical condition that would mean you shouldn’t be vaccinated at all?
Those were the lines along which I was thinking. People who are mentally ill who keep turning up, or have been told not to take the vaccine but want it anyway, that sort of thing. There will also be laws that mandate reporting of certain situations or activities to authorities, which might interfere with that last couple of percent being done. But it’s important they get done, as the virus will run through such communities once all restrictions end.
On the naming of Student Union facilities. Whilst at Sheffield Poly (no sniggering) a competition was held to propose and then vote on a name for a new salad bar. Inevitably, the winner was “Seaview”. Equally inevitably, the bar was named the Nelson Mandela Salad Bar. The average student thought it a right laugh and felt no need to have an attack of the anti-woke vapours.
Rumour had it that the Mandela bar at Warwick was named for Winnie, not Nelson, which led to it being renamed once details of her activities became better known.
Against that, it was also rumoured that they used to serve an ovesized burger stack known as the Full Nelson and a slimmed down version known as the Half Nelson.
When I was there it was called The Graduate and was full of older women (post-grads) on the prowl for vulnerable young male freshers, or so the story went. I have to say I never experienced that as a vulnerable young male fresher.
I conclude that the rumours were likely all bollox.
That was never a rumour in my time there (91-97). Always attributed to Nelson, as in Nelson Mandela House...
Maybe I just looked/was gullible and so invited rumour merchants/crazies.
I assume you were at least aware of the nessie-like monster in Tocil lake?
Meanwhile the island is awash with tourists, yet the problems with progressing vaccinations among our under-40s, as discussed in a PB thread two weeks' back, are still unresolved, with many of our under-40s - the very people working in travel and hospitality - still unvaccinated, being told to wait, or that they have to travel to Portsmouth or Southampton for the Pfizer. That after nearly a month of under-40s being eligible, we still don't have a local Pfizer centre that is bookable through the national NHS website is a scandal.
To be honest I cannot think of a more lame excuse then they cannot travel for their vaccine, no matter they are on the Isle of Wight
Most anyone sensible would travel anywhere in the UK at this time to be vaccinated
Why not just have Pfizer there though? The local health people are letting under 40s down by not having one.
Yep. There is Pfizer - but it's out at GP practices having been used for the elderly, and the dribbling tail of second doses. These sites aren't bookable via the national (English) NHS system, whereas the main vaccination centre in the sports hall, where I had my AZN, is. They've clearly been caught on the hop by the effective withdrawal of the AZN from the under-40s, but after three weeks of faffing about the failure to deliver a solution is pitifully poor.
Those under-40s who, following advice like my own, are making a big fuss are being redirected to GP practices on a case-by-case basis. But there is no 'system' for the majority, and we still have 38 and 39-year olds kept "on hold" while Northern Ireland and SW London throws it open to all over-18s. Meanwhile we're awash with tourists.
If there is a third wave, put your money on it starting here....
Wight lives don't matter...
This means "human lives don't matter". cf "wight"
I was told by someone from the IoW that 'Wight' meant 'Man', so two Isles of Man?
Apparently the Isle of Man is named after Manannán, a Celtic god, so only the Isle of Wight is actually an Isle of man...
I expect 99% of people who watch the French Open do so to see the best players in the world compete, rather than seeing inane questions from journalists at press conferences straight after.
It shows a complete lack of imagination on behalf of Roland Garros to not find a way to let her play while forfeiting a proportion of her prize money for not fulfilling a part of her contract. That would discourage other players from doing the same, while ensuring those with mental health issues can still compete happily, and avoids the situation where one of the best female players has had to pull out of the competition and so making it a worse spectacle for fans.
I got a notice from them that I would have to pay next time my polluting diesel car drove through the zone.
Only problem is that the car in question has been SORNed for the past 4 months and hasn't been within 100 miles of Birmingham.
I've asked for the photograph but haven't heard back yet.
When the congestion charge was first introduced in London, there was a spate of number plate cloning. The buggers would find a car identical to the own in another city, have duplicate plates made, then run up hundreds in fines which the victim has to deal with, often in court.
They’ve clamped down on number plate vendors a little, but it still happens.
Of course, he's a Professor of Sociology at University of Manchester. This is why the centre-right is putting up such a ferocious resistance to these nihilistic morons.
I am surprised these haven't become a political hot potato...its all well and good saying it only affects old cars for domestic use (which of course wallops the poor), but if you need a builder or plumber etc and live within the zone, i presume you the customer is going to see the cost passed onto you.
I expect 99% of people who watch the French Open do so to see the best players in the world compete, rather than seeing inane questions from journalists at press conferences straight after.
It shows a complete lack of imagination on behalf of Roland Garros to not find a way to let her play while forfeiting a proportion of her prize money for not fulfilling a part of her contract. That would discourage other players from doing the same, while ensuring those with mental health issues can still compete happily, and avoids the situation where one of the best female players has had to pull out of the competition and so making it a worse spectacle for fans.
I suspect most if not all the players would be delighted to forgo the press conferences, and the organisers know that if they have an opt out then many would take it. Which, if my speculation is correct, leads to the question “who are the press conferences actually for?”
Of course, he's a Professor of Sociology at University of Manchester. This is why the centre-right is putting up such a ferocious resistance to these nihilistic morons.
Or does he get a pass from the likes of Prof Pillock, because he had the "right" opinions on other things?
The thing is even if they would all be taken down, it would be on to the next thing that needs cancelling...its like XR, these bad faith actors, nothing but the total and utter destruction of the current system will be enough (and in the case of XR, they have admitted this).
Of course, he's a Professor of Sociology at University of Manchester. This is why the centre-right is putting up such a ferocious resistance to these nihilistic morons.
They started the culture war; we will finish it.
Saying all statues should be taken down is just as stupid as saying all statues should stay where they are.
On the naming of Student Union facilities. Whilst at Sheffield Poly (no sniggering) a competition was held to propose and then vote on a name for a new salad bar. Inevitably, the winner was “Seaview”. Equally inevitably, the bar was named the Nelson Mandela Salad Bar. The average student thought it a right laugh and felt no need to have an attack of the anti-woke vapours.
Rumour had it that the Mandela bar at Warwick was named for Winnie, not Nelson, which led to it being renamed once details of her activities became better known.
Against that, it was also rumoured that they used to serve an ovesized burger stack known as the Full Nelson and a slimmed down version known as the Half Nelson.
When I was there it was called The Graduate and was full of older women (post-grads) on the prowl for vulnerable young male freshers, or so the story went. I have to say I never experienced that as a vulnerable young male fresher.
I conclude that the rumours were likely all bollox.
That was never a rumour in my time there (91-97). Always attributed to Nelson, as in Nelson Mandela House...
Maybe I just looked/was gullible and so invited rumour merchants/crazies.
I assume you were at least aware of the nessie-like monster in Tocil lake?
I got a notice from them that I would have to pay next time my polluting diesel car drove through the zone.
Only problem is that the car in question has been SORNed for the past 4 months and hasn't been within 100 miles of Birmingham.
I've asked for the photograph but haven't heard back yet.
When the congestion charge was first introduced in London, there was a spate of number plate cloning. The buggers would find a car identical to the own in another city, have duplicate plates made, then run up hundreds in fines which the victim has to deal with, often in court.
They’ve clamped down on number plate vendors a little, but it still happens.
Yes - it is indeed possible that it was cloned, but I'd go for cock-up rather than conspiracy.
I once had a penalty notice from Edinburgh for the same car. On examining the photograph it transpired it was the wrong model of car and the wrong colour, but the registration was very similar. Their automated system obviously didn't check the full vehicle details and didn't refer dubious cases to an actual person.
A mucky diesel is just the kind of car to have a slightly obscured plate...
I am surprised these haven't become a political hot potato...its all well and good saying it only affects old cars for domestic use (which of course wallops the poor), but if you need a builder or plumber etc and live within the zone, i presume you the customer is going to see the cost passed onto you.
Clean Air Zones are deeply unpopular, we had to make clear in Epping Forest there would not be one here
I have a feeling even the lovely middle class folk who like to talk about how they are saving the environment, have got themselves an EV, always recycle etc, when Bob the Builder says that extensions, there is a Clean Air Zone surcharge of £500 to the bill, might not be quite so happy.
Mr. Eagles, you'll be devastated when you hear of what Caesar did to the Thuringii.
Personally I'm not keen on Churchill College, Cambridge. They should abolish that.
Forget the fact that Churchill was a war criminal and racist they should abolish it for being a JCL college.
And Jesus College. That should definitely go.
Is Jesus getting cancelled? I would have thought he was woker than woke (for his time). - Leftwing firebrand (money lender incident) - Standing up for the rights of depised minorities (tax collectors) - Forgiving of members of the oldest profession (the sinful woman) And, above all, he was successful and popular (for a time, at least) despite being in a minority ethnic group (white, as we know from the pictures)
I fail to see the basis for cancelling Jesus.
Jesus was OK with slavery and used slavery often in his parables. Unsurprisingly since slavery was entirely normal in his day.
Which shows the problem of reading morality of the present into the past, and vice versa.
Doubtful if there is evidence either way that Jesus was OK with slavery. Some evidence that Paul was OK with moderated slavery, defo would not have been OK with sexual abuse/coercion as part of slavery as the same rules in early Christianity applied to everyone - one of its popular features with middling and lower sorts.
Then slavery is a multi faceted concept. What about the master slave relationship between Cicero and Tiro for example. I suspect he had a much better life than some non slave third world factory workers.
Jesus College wants to hide a plaque (and put it in a side room) of a guy who gave them 2000 quid in 1671 equivalent to 450k now to fund scholarships for orphaned children of Anglican clergy, because of his links to the slave trade.
Eastasia has always been at war with Oceania.
Which Jesus? There are two as far as I know.
It's Cambridge.
Personally I don't understand the issue.
At my college we were (notionally) praying for the immortal souls of two people who died in the 1600s, whose endowment of the colleague was their principal contribution to the universe.
I think 350 years of praising them might already be fair recompense.
New Guardian article on why every statute in Britain should be taken down
I am surprised these haven't become a political hot potato...its all well and good saying it only affects old cars for domestic use (which of course wallops the poor), but if you need a builder or plumber etc and live within the zone, i presume you the customer is going to see the cost passed onto you.
Clean Air Zones are deeply unpopular, we had to make clear in Epping Forest there would not be one here
I have a feeling even the lovely middle class folk who like to talk about how they are saving the environment, have got themselves an EV, always recycle etc, when Bob the Builder says that extensions, there is a Clean Air Zone surcharge of £500 to the bill, might not be quite so happy.
I had to buy a new car to comply with the London ULEZ extension. I still think it's a great idea. Air pollution is killing people.
I am surprised these haven't become a political hot potato...its all well and good saying it only affects old cars for domestic use (which of course wallops the poor), but if you need a builder or plumber etc and live within the zone, i presume you the customer is going to see the cost passed onto you.
Clean Air Zones are deeply unpopular, we had to make clear in Epping Forest there would not be one here
I have a feeling even the lovely middle class folk who like to talk about how they are saving the environment, have got themselves an EV, always recycle etc, when Bob the Builder says that extensions, there is a Clean Air Zone surcharge of £500 to the bill, might not be quite so happy.
I had to buy a new car to comply with the London ULEZ extension. I still think it's a great idea. Air pollution is killing people.
I am surprised these haven't become a political hot potato...its all well and good saying it only affects old cars for domestic use (which of course wallops the poor), but if you need a builder or plumber etc and live within the zone, i presume you the customer is going to see the cost passed onto you.
Clean Air Zones are deeply unpopular, we had to make clear in Epping Forest there would not be one here
I have a feeling even the lovely middle class folk who like to talk about how they are saving the environment, have got themselves an EV, always recycle etc, when Bob the Builder says that extensions, there is a Clean Air Zone surcharge of £500 to the bill, might not be quite so happy.
I had to buy a new car to comply with the London ULEZ extension. I still think it's a great idea. Air pollution is killing people.
That’s great, but how about those who can’t afford a new car? Maybe care workers or bar staff, for whom public transport is not viable.
Jesus College wants to hide a plaque (and put it in a side room) of a guy who gave them 2000 quid in 1671 equivalent to 450k now to fund scholarships for orphaned children of Anglican clergy, because of his links to the slave trade.
Eastasia has always been at war with Oceania.
Net net the guy probably created more orphans than he helped. At least now others facing a similar quandary about how to deal with these issues can ask "what would Jesus do?"
What's the extent of his connection?
If he had the readies to hand over £450k in today's money I am guessing it was more than tangential.
The slave trade was the only way to make money? Do you know who the donor was?
Tobias Rustat.
However, Rustat’s involvement in the Royal African Company, which transported almost 150,000 slaves to the Americas, led the college to address his legacy by removing a portrait and renaming the “Rustat feast” previously held in his honour.
IIRC The RAC (not the rival to the AA) transported more slaves to America during the transAtlantic slave trade than any other company.
The head of Jesus College is a descendent of slaves. It would seem odd to make her sit through a feast named in honour of someone who profited from the murder and exploitation of her ancestors. Although I suspect her ancestry helps to explain some of the frothing on the topic in the right wing press. Nothing gets these people upset more than a woman of colour in a position of authority.
To be clear, you have no evidence but are keen to call people racists because you have a "suspiscion".
Of course, he's a Professor of Sociology at University of Manchester. This is why the centre-right is putting up such a ferocious resistance to these nihilistic morons.
They started the culture war; we will finish it.
To be fair though he says Rosa Parks should be taken down as much as Rhodes, only have statues in museums and only have public memorials to war dead collectively not to individuals
Of course, he's a Professor of Sociology at University of Manchester. This is why the centre-right is putting up such a ferocious resistance to these nihilistic morons.
Or does he get a pass from the likes of Prof Pillock, because he had the "right" opinions on other things?
The thing is even if they would all be taken down, it would be on to the next thing that needs cancelling...its like XR, these bad faith actors, nothing but the total and utter destruction of the current system will be enough (and in the case of XR, they have admitted this).
In at least a tongue-in-cheek sense, Younge has a point. Almost no-one looks at statues (and when they do, often they are not very good). You could probably replace all of them with figures of Boris Johnson and no-one would notice. Though conversely, if the people who complain didn't complain, probably no-one would take offence.
Of course, he's a Professor of Sociology at University of Manchester. This is why the centre-right is putting up such a ferocious resistance to these nihilistic morons.
Or does he get a pass from the likes of Prof Pillock, because he had the "right" opinions on other things?
The thing is even if they would all be taken down, it would be on to the next thing that needs cancelling...its like XR, these bad faith actors, nothing but the total and utter destruction of the current system will be enough (and in the case of XR, they have admitted this).
In at least a tongue-in-cheek sense, Younge has a point. Almost no-one looks at statues (and when they do, often they are not very good). You could probably replace all of them with figures of Boris Johnson and no-one would notice. Though conversely, if the people who complain didn't complain, probably no-one would take offence.
My point is the statues are irrelevant...for the bad faith actors it is just the start. Its naming anything after people they disagree with, its cancelling historical figures (even ones that only died a few weeks ago). Until the system has been broken, they won't be happy.
Of course, he's a Professor of Sociology at University of Manchester. This is why the centre-right is putting up such a ferocious resistance to these nihilistic morons.
They started the culture war; we will finish it.
It's really not The Guardian saying all statues should come down. It's Gary Younge in an opinion piece. I do hope you don't want his opinion cancelled.
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I've felt much better about it over the last couple of months though. Now that the Government and public are (finally) wise to what's going on I think there will be a strong pushback to put this nonsense back in its box. At least in the UK.
How many football fans give a monkey's about the post-match interviews with players? How many would say they are not going to watch the game anymore if we don't get to see the players interviewed afterwards? Most, like me, have switched off by that point anyway. Any I have seen are pointless cliche-ridden "sick as a parrot:, "over the moon" stuff anyway.
cf "wight"
Oh, and always check for proposed railway lines through the middle of your clients' projects.
Although I suspect her ancestry helps to explain some of the frothing on the topic in the right wing press. Nothing gets these people upset more than a woman of colour in a position of authority.
This isn't having a devastating impact on my life (unlike my inability to punch people and be punched by them!), but I'm giving it as an example of why it's not enough to just glibly say "you can ignore the rules".
I recall there was a professional golfer who admitted that he hated giving winner's speeches so much that he often aimed for second place. I played a bit of golf when young and will admit to the same.
When you are competing in front of a crowd that it isn't a social situation and is absolutely fine, because you are just concentrating on beating your opponent or playing your best shot and you are in your element.
I can totally sympathise with Miss Osaka. After all, she is very young, too.
What does it really add to the event having the media talk to someone who doesn't want to talk? If they are good enough to be paid well they'll have gone through media coaching and will just come out with the usual cr*p anyway.
Andy Murray was a great tennis player but fewer interviews would have been beneficial to his image. Like sausages, sometimes it is better not to see how things are made.
If she wants to talk in a quieter environment at a later time then fine.
- Leftwing firebrand (money lender incident)
- Standing up for the rights of depised minorities (tax collectors)
- Forgiving of members of the oldest profession (the sinful woman)
And, above all, he was successful and popular (for a time, at least) despite being in a minority ethnic group (white, as we know from the pictures)
I fail to see the basis for cancelling Jesus.
If the contractual arrangements do not have reasonable provision for addressing peoples' mental health issues vs their physical ones, that seems to me to be a separate matter.
I'm just glad they weren't an alumnus of Trinity where all the best people go.
The sectors that are suffering are hospitality and entertainment, which are obliged to follow the rules.
PS: that was standard price as well
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-57253947
Batley & Spen: the Workers Party of Britain can be laid from 85 upwards. That's George Galloway to his friends. But William Hill have him priced at 100/1.
Table view of today's (31-May) updated England NHS region vaccination data.
https://twitter.com/RP131/status/1399410865544187904?s=20
That wasn't really my point. Do the terms of the contract really benefit the sport?
I want to watch people who are great at tennis, not people being tortured in an interview.
Tiger Woods was pretty terrible at interviews but watch him on the course (I saw him win the Open at Hoylake with an absolute masterclass of control) and he was totally different. Nick Faldo was the same.
What do we want out of sport? Just a soap opera?
https://www.jesus.cam.ac.uk/college/about-us/legacy-slavery-inquiry
All seems very measured and sensible, and the exact opposite of trying to erase history. I genuinely struggle to understand how anyone could read this and have a problem with any of it.
https://twitter.com/RP131/status/1399410856761364485?s=20
From the early 1980s we have Ron Atkinson, on being presented with his new company Rover 3500 at Manchester United (he had a Mercedes Benz at WBA). "I want a car not a dog".
On the same vein (re: Atkinson and Man. Utd.) a quip from Tommy Docherty: " half a million for (Remi) Moses? I could have got the original and the tablets for less".
Against that, it was also rumoured that they used to serve an ovesized burger stack known as the Full Nelson and a slimmed down version known as the Half Nelson.
When I was there it was called The Graduate and was full of older women (post-grads) on the prowl for vulnerable young male freshers, or so the story went. I have to say I never experienced that as a vulnerable young male fresher.
I conclude that the rumours were likely all bollox.
(It may be, as previously discussed here, that there are fewer people in London now than official estimates so the denominator is wrong, but that denominator will still determine supply)
COVID-19: Hundreds head to London's Chinatown as vaccine bus offers appointment-free jabs
The advert, posted on the Chinese Information and Advice Centre website, said people would not need to have an NHS number or ID.
https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-hundreds-head-to-londons-chinatown-as-vaccine-bus-offers-appointment-free-jabs-12318757
The largest in-depth analysis of genomic surveillance data mapping out the dynamics of 62 lineages of the SARS-CoV-2 virus
The analysis of B.1.617.2 indicates that its current growth rate is 35% (20–50%) higher than that of B.1.1.7, with the highest rates of spread seen in North West England. Such a growth advantage has not been observed for any other VOC or VUI.
The mechanisms for this increased spread are unknown, but are likely to be a combination of viral biology (transmission or the ability to evade the immune system), repeated introductions, and epidemiological factors in the communities where it was introduced.
https://www.embl.org/news/science/genomic-surveillance-sarscov2-england/
There’s going to be a point where everyone the NHS knows about, has been offered a vaccine, the question then becomes how to deal with people who they don’t know about. There’s going to be visitors who got stuck here, people here illegally or who have overstayed a visa, people who are wanted by authorities etc.
What are the ethical concerns about giving a vaccine to anyone who turns up at a pharmacy, with no questions asked? Obviously we can’t give them a certificate if we don’t know who they are, but we should be able to give them a jab or two.
However - I attended a huge Flea Market at Shepton Mallet at the weekend. All outside of course, but <5 % wearing masks, and very little effort to stay 2m apart as we all drifted round the stalls (of >95% tat).
I feel for the hospitality venues. Sat outside a pub after cricket on saturday, with my team, who I'd played with for 6 hours, and still had to contact trace. Mad.
Which shows the problem of reading morality of the present into the past, and vice versa.
She is probably early 70s, usual crystals and alternative medicine type, ex primary school teacher. Says she 'feels well' and doesn't want the vaccine (despite having some health problems in reality).
She's been questioned about it by a number of friends but this has made no difference.
The problem is that she hangs around with some other people with the same attitude. At some point they are all going to get immunity whether they want it or not.
Just code for it's not actually more transmissible, but just looks it because the people catching it aren't following the rules?
BBC News - Birmingham Clean Air Zone: No payments for first two weeks
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-57314570
I've never liked getting absolutely hammered, and ending up out-of-control and sick.
I got a notice from them that I would have to pay next time my polluting diesel car drove through the zone.
Only problem is that the car in question has been SORNed for the past 4 months and hasn't been within 100 miles of Birmingham.
I've asked for the photograph but haven't heard back yet.
Which implies that one is Manx and the other manky
(not dissing IoW, South Island is a lovely place!)
Edit: seeing @IanB2 's comment below about not taking a bath, maybe it is manky!
I assume you were at least aware of the nessie-like monster in Tocil lake?
It shows a complete lack of imagination on behalf of Roland Garros to not find a way to let her play while forfeiting a proportion of her prize money for not fulfilling a part of her contract. That would discourage other players from doing the same, while ensuring those with mental health issues can still compete happily, and avoids the situation where one of the best female players has had to pull out of the competition and so making it a worse spectacle for fans.
They’ve clamped down on number plate vendors a little, but it still happens.
https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2021/jun/01/gary-younge-why-every-single-statue-should-come-down-rhodes-colston
Of course, he's a Professor of Sociology at University of Manchester. This is why the centre-right is putting up such a ferocious resistance to these nihilistic morons.
They started the culture war; we will finish it.
Which, if my speculation is correct, leads to the question “who are the press conferences actually for?”
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/05/31/john-maynardkeynes-supporter-racist-eugenics-visitors-bloomsbury/
Or does he get a pass from the likes of Prof Pillock, because he had the "right" opinions on other things?
The thing is even if they would all be taken down, it would be on to the next thing that needs cancelling...its like XR, these bad faith actors, nothing but the total and utter destruction of the current system will be enough (and in the case of XR, they have admitted this).
I once had a penalty notice from Edinburgh for the same car. On examining the photograph it transpired it was the wrong model of car and the wrong colour, but the registration was very similar. Their automated system obviously didn't check the full vehicle details and didn't refer dubious cases to an actual person.
A mucky diesel is just the kind of car to have a slightly obscured plate...
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/ketchup-on-its-way-back-to-britain-as-kraft-heinz-invests-in-uk-site-nvwtz37gn
They destroyed a lot of priceless art in the intervening period, though.
Then slavery is a multi faceted concept. What about the master slave relationship between Cicero and Tiro for example. I suspect he had a much better life than some non slave third world factory workers.
https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2021/jun/01/gary-younge-why-every-single-statue-should-come-down-rhodes-colston
If they get Tesla to come here, we will never hear the end of it.