To be honest, if I was the opposition then I’d be starting to despair and thinking “what will it take to shift these buggers”. I have previously compared this Government to Blair but maybe the SNP is a better comparator. Boris owns a certain vote and it’s been conceded to him. All of this stuff is noise.
Leftwing parties across the western world have exchanged support from low education voters in the 1970s for high education voters now without becoming parties of the rich outside Italy and partly the US.
The rightwing parties are now mainly parties forming coalitions between the rich and less educated, compared to the 1970s when rightwing parties were coalitions of the rich and the highly educated
FPT as it took be a long time to type: If I were in charge of this (which would be a really bad idea) then I would try to move to a sort of lecture/tutorial model: use the Oak Academy stuff to introduce the ideas, perhaps replacing homework, and then reserve school time for going though questions and making sure that the ideas have been understood. The problems are obvious though: it assumes that school children have time, IT resources, and motivation to watch and take in the lecture side without the supervision of a teacher trained in the highly skilled art of making sure everyone is awake. It would also give a government immense control over exactly what was being taught.
Congratulations to the happy couple - and to everyone else finally able to get married now weddings are legal again. Good luck to HYUFD with his soon.
Weddings being postponed has been one of the (many) heartbreaking things of this pandemic. Our wedding took two years to plan (mainly so family overseas could all be here), so I can only imagine those who'd been planning theirs for long only to have it all torn up.
Seems like they are having a thanksgiving celebration next year and had the wedding service itself in front of 30 guests today, don't know whether they livestreamed it or not.
Congratulations to the happy couple - and to everyone else finally able to get married now weddings are legal again. Good luck to HYUFD with his soon.
Weddings being postponed has been one of the (many) heartbreaking things of this pandemic. Our wedding took two years to plan (mainly so family overseas could all be here), so I can only imagine those who'd been planning theirs for long only to have it all torn up.
Marriages have been legal for months (on and off), surely. It's just the big whoopees that weren't. There is a difference.
Congratulations to the happy couple - and to everyone else finally able to get married now weddings are legal again. Good luck to HYUFD with his soon.
Weddings being postponed has been one of the (many) heartbreaking things of this pandemic. Our wedding took two years to plan (mainly so family overseas could all be here), so I can only imagine those who'd been planning theirs for long only to have it all torn up.
Marriages have been legal for months (on and off), surely. It's just the big whoopees that weren't. There is a difference.
Clearly the Catholic Church isn’t fussy about who it marries these days.
Theologically the Catholic Church does not recognise marriages not conducted in a Catholic church or cathedral (whether in registry offices or Church of England churches etc), so as Boris has been an Anglican since he was a teenager in the eyes of the Catholic Church he has never been married before. Presumably he has converted back to Rome to enable him to be married in Westminster Cathedral today and I would imagine had a long confession with the priest beforehand
Clearly the Catholic Church isn’t fussy about who it marries these days.
Theologically the Catholic Church does not recognise marriages not conducted in a Catholic church or cathedral (whether in registry offices or Church of England churches etc), so as Boris has been an Anglican since he was a teenager in the eyes of the Catholic Church he has never been married before. Presumably he has converted back to Rome to enable him to be married in Westminster Cathedral today and presumably had a long confession with the priest beforehand
You are not being clear. The C of E is a Catholic Church. Presumably you mean the Roman Catholic Church.
Clearly the Catholic Church isn’t fussy about who it marries these days.
Theologically the Catholic Church does not recognise marriages not conducted in a Catholic church or cathedral (whether in registry offices or Church of England churches etc), so as Boris has been an Anglican since he was a teenager in the eyes of the Catholic Church he has never been married before . Presumably he has converted back to Rome to enable him to be married in Westminster Cathedral today and presumably had a long confession with the priest beforehand
In which case, is he our first Catholic PM?
3rd time lucky I suppose. The triumph of hope over experience.
Clearly the Catholic Church isn’t fussy about who it marries these days.
Theologically the Catholic Church does not recognise marriages not conducted in a Catholic church or cathedral (whether in registry offices or Church of England churches etc), so as Boris has been an Anglican since he was a teenager in the eyes of the Catholic Church he has never been married before. Presumably he has converted back to Rome to enable him to be married in Westminster Cathedral today and I would imagine had a long confession with the priest beforehand
Absolutely no need for him to convert. Wilfred being brought up a Catholic is sufficient.
Clearly the Catholic Church isn’t fussy about who it marries these days.
Theologically the Catholic Church does not recognise marriages not conducted in a Catholic church or cathedral (whether in registry offices or Church of England churches etc), so as Boris has been an Anglican since he was a teenager in the eyes of the Catholic Church he has never been married before. Presumably he has converted back to Rome to enable him to be married in Westminster Cathedral today and I would imagine had a long confession with the priest beforehand
Boris recounting all his sins since he was a teenager? 😲
Maybe that's why they thought it would take until 2022.
Congratulations to the happy couple - and to everyone else finally able to get married now weddings are legal again. Good luck to HYUFD with his soon.
Weddings being postponed has been one of the (many) heartbreaking things of this pandemic. Our wedding took two years to plan (mainly so family overseas could all be here), so I can only imagine those who'd been planning theirs for long only to have it all torn up.
Marriages have been legal for months (on and off), surely. It's just the big whoopees that weren't. There is a difference.
I love a wedding.
When i got married on Black Friday many years ago we had a string quartet playing at the wedding breakfast (no seriously, we did) I wonder if Johnson had any violinists?
Clearly the Catholic Church isn’t fussy about who it marries these days.
Theologically the Catholic Church does not recognise marriages not conducted in a Catholic church or cathedral (whether in registry offices or Church of England churches etc), so as Boris has been an Anglican since he was a teenager in the eyes of the Catholic Church he has never been married before . Presumably he has converted back to Rome to enable him to be married in Westminster Cathedral today and presumably had a long confession with the priest beforehand
In which case, is he our first Catholic PM?
3rd time lucky I suppose. The triumph of hope over experience.
Clearly the Catholic Church isn’t fussy about who it marries these days.
Theologically the Catholic Church does not recognise marriages not conducted in a Catholic church or cathedral (whether in registry offices or Church of England churches etc), so as Boris has been an Anglican since he was a teenager in the eyes of the Catholic Church he has never been married before. Presumably he has converted back to Rome to enable him to be married in Westminster Cathedral today and presumably had a long confession with the priest beforehand
You are not being clear. The C of E is a Catholic Church. Presumably you mean the Roman Catholic Church.
No, the Church of England is a Protestant Church which broke away from Papal authority in the Reformation, it does not preach and practice the sanctity of confession nor the Holy Sacrament either.
It remains Catholic in the sense it views itself as part of the universal church of Christ in continuity with the early apostolic church but Protestant as shaped by the principles of the Reformation such as the Book of Common Prayer
Clearly the Catholic Church isn’t fussy about who it marries these days.
Theologically the Catholic Church does not recognise marriages not conducted in a Catholic church or cathedral (whether in registry offices or Church of England churches etc), so as Boris has been an Anglican since he was a teenager in the eyes of the Catholic Church he has never been married before . Presumably he has converted back to Rome to enable him to be married in Westminster Cathedral today and presumably had a long confession with the priest beforehand
In which case, is he our first Catholic PM?
3rd time lucky I suppose. The triumph of hope over experience.
Blair.
Blair only converted after he stepped down from being PM didn't he?
Clearly the Catholic Church isn’t fussy about who it marries these days.
Theologically the Catholic Church does not recognise marriages not conducted in a Catholic church or cathedral (whether in registry offices or Church of England churches etc), so as Boris has been an Anglican since he was a teenager in the eyes of the Catholic Church he has never been married before. Presumably he has converted back to Rome to enable him to be married in Westminster Cathedral today and presumably had a long confession with the priest beforehand
You are not being clear. The C of E is a Catholic Church. Presumably you mean the Roman Catholic Church.
No, the Church of England is a Protestant Church which broke away from Papal authority in the Reformation, it does not preach and practice the sanctity of confession nor the Holy Sacrament either.
It remains Catholic in the sense it views itself as part of the universal church of Christ in continuity with the early apostolic church but Protestant as shaped by the principles of the Reformation such as the Book of Common Prayer
Yes, that's what I said, the C of E is a Catholic Church.
Clearly the Catholic Church isn’t fussy about who it marries these days.
Theologically the Catholic Church does not recognise marriages not conducted in a Catholic church or cathedral (whether in registry offices or Church of England churches etc), so as Boris has been an Anglican since he was a teenager in the eyes of the Catholic Church he has never been married before . Presumably he has converted back to Rome to enable him to be married in Westminster Cathedral today and presumably had a long confession with the priest beforehand
In which case, is he our first Catholic PM?
3rd time lucky I suppose. The triumph of hope over experience.
Blair.
Blair only converted after he stepped down from being PM didn't he?
Which is very interesting, in that it implies he saw some issues with that action if done while he was PM (though the timing might be for other reasons, tbf). I'm not quite sure what they actually were.
Clearly the Catholic Church isn’t fussy about who it marries these days.
Theologically the Catholic Church does not recognise marriages not conducted in a Catholic church or cathedral (whether in registry offices or Church of England churches etc), so as Boris has been an Anglican since he was a teenager in the eyes of the Catholic Church he has never been married before. Presumably he has converted back to Rome to enable him to be married in Westminster Cathedral today and presumably had a long confession with the priest beforehand
You are not being clear. The C of E is a Catholic Church. Presumably you mean the Roman Catholic Church.
No, the Church of England is a Protestant Church which broke away from Papal authority in the Reformation, it does not preach and practice the sanctity of confession nor the Holy Sacrament either.
It remains Catholic in the sense it views itself as part of the universal church of Christ in continuity with the early apostolic church but Protestant as shaped by the principles of the Reformation such as the Book of Common Prayer
The Church of England's website says you're wrong. They say that the CoE is catholic.
The religious settlement that eventually emerged in the reign of Elizabeth gave the Church of England the distinctive identity that it still has today. It resulted in a Church that consciously retained a large amount of continuity with the Church of the Patristic and Medieval periods in terms of its use of the catholic creeds, its pattern of ministry, its buildings and aspects of its liturgy, but which also embodied Protestant insights in its theology and in the overall shape of its liturgical practice. The way that this is often expressed is by saying that the Church of England is both 'catholic and reformed.'
Clearly the Catholic Church isn’t fussy about who it marries these days.
Theologically the Catholic Church does not recognise marriages not conducted in a Catholic church or cathedral (whether in registry offices or Church of England churches etc), so as Boris has been an Anglican since he was a teenager in the eyes of the Catholic Church he has never been married before . Presumably he has converted back to Rome to enable him to be married in Westminster Cathedral today and presumably had a long confession with the priest beforehand
In which case, is he our first Catholic PM?
3rd time lucky I suppose. The triumph of hope over experience.
Blair.
Blair only converted after he stepped down from being PM didn't he?
Good evening from a sweltering Manchester. Been to see my parents for the first time in 15 months - it was bliss. Going again tomorrow.
My (73 year-old) dad has physically shrunk massively since I last saw him. Insists his gaunt weight and muscle loss image is just old age and not something nasty. Not sure about that...
Clearly the Catholic Church isn’t fussy about who it marries these days.
Theologically the Catholic Church does not recognise marriages not conducted in a Catholic church or cathedral (whether in registry offices or Church of England churches etc), so as Boris has been an Anglican since he was a teenager in the eyes of the Catholic Church he has never been married before. Presumably he has converted back to Rome to enable him to be married in Westminster Cathedral today and presumably had a long confession with the priest beforehand
You are not being clear. The C of E is a Catholic Church. Presumably you mean the Roman Catholic Church.
No, the Church of England is a Protestant Church which broke away from Papal authority in the Reformation, it does not preach and practice the sanctity of confession nor the Holy Sacrament either.
It remains Catholic in the sense it views itself as part of the universal church of Christ in continuity with the early apostolic church but Protestant as shaped by the principles of the Reformation such as the Book of Common Prayer
Yes, that's what I said, the C of E is a Catholic Church.
It is halfway between the Roman Catholic Church and most Protestant churches, it is not fully Catholic as it does not include all Catholic doctrine nor does it recognise the authority of the Pope over it and the Vatican also sees it as a breakaway church not fully part of the one true faith
Clearly the Catholic Church isn’t fussy about who it marries these days.
Theologically the Catholic Church does not recognise marriages not conducted in a Catholic church or cathedral (whether in registry offices or Church of England churches etc), so as Boris has been an Anglican since he was a teenager in the eyes of the Catholic Church he has never been married before. Presumably he has converted back to Rome to enable him to be married in Westminster Cathedral today and presumably had a long confession with the priest beforehand
You are not being clear. The C of E is a Catholic Church. Presumably you mean the Roman Catholic Church.
No, the Church of England is a Protestant Church which broke away from Papal authority in the Reformation, it does not preach and practice the sanctity of confession nor the Holy Sacrament either.
It remains Catholic in the sense it views itself as part of the universal church of Christ in continuity with the early apostolic church but Protestant as shaped by the principles of the Reformation such as the Book of Common Prayer
Yes, that's what I said, the C of E is a Catholic Church.
Clearly the Catholic Church isn’t fussy about who it marries these days.
Theologically the Catholic Church does not recognise marriages not conducted in a Catholic church or cathedral (whether in registry offices or Church of England churches etc), so as Boris has been an Anglican since he was a teenager in the eyes of the Catholic Church he has never been married before . Presumably he has converted back to Rome to enable him to be married in Westminster Cathedral today and presumably had a long confession with the priest beforehand
In which case, is he our first Catholic PM?
3rd time lucky I suppose. The triumph of hope over experience.
Blair.
Blair only converted after he stepped down from being PM didn't he?
Congratulations to the happy couple - and to everyone else finally able to get married now weddings are legal again. Good luck to HYUFD with his soon.
Weddings being postponed has been one of the (many) heartbreaking things of this pandemic. Our wedding took two years to plan (mainly so family overseas could all be here), so I can only imagine those who'd been planning theirs for long only to have it all torn up.
Marriages have been legal for months (on and off), surely. It's just the big whoopees that weren't. There is a difference.
I love a wedding.
When i got married on Black Friday many years ago we had a string quartet playing at the wedding breakfast (no seriously, we did) I wonder if Johnson had any violinists?
Clearly the Catholic Church isn’t fussy about who it marries these days.
Theologically the Catholic Church does not recognise marriages not conducted in a Catholic church or cathedral (whether in registry offices or Church of England churches etc), so as Boris has been an Anglican since he was a teenager in the eyes of the Catholic Church he has never been married before . Presumably he has converted back to Rome to enable him to be married in Westminster Cathedral today and presumably had a long confession with the priest beforehand
In which case, is he our first Catholic PM?
3rd time lucky I suppose. The triumph of hope over experience.
Blair.
Blair only converted after he stepped down from being PM didn't he?
Which is very interesting, in that it implies he saw some issues with that action if done while he was PM (though the timing might be for other reasons, tbf). I'm not quite sure what they actually were.
Probably his role in recommending bishops/archbishops.
Clearly the Catholic Church isn’t fussy about who it marries these days.
Theologically the Catholic Church does not recognise marriages not conducted in a Catholic church or cathedral (whether in registry offices or Church of England churches etc), so as Boris has been an Anglican since he was a teenager in the eyes of the Catholic Church he has never been married before. Presumably he has converted back to Rome to enable him to be married in Westminster Cathedral today and presumably had a long confession with the priest beforehand
You are not being clear. The C of E is a Catholic Church. Presumably you mean the Roman Catholic Church.
No, the Church of England is a Protestant Church which broke away from Papal authority in the Reformation, it does not preach and practice the sanctity of confession nor the Holy Sacrament either.
It remains Catholic in the sense it views itself as part of the universal church of Christ in continuity with the early apostolic church but Protestant as shaped by the principles of the Reformation such as the Book of Common Prayer
Yes, that's what I said, the C of E is a Catholic Church.
It is halfway between the Roman Catholic Church and most Protestant churches, it is not fully Catholic as it does not include all Catholic doctrine nor does it recognise the authority of the Pope over it and the Vatican also sees it as a breakaway church not fully part of the one true faith
I'm glad I didn't head to the Lake District this weekend! M6 northbound was stop start from the lakes turnoff at J36 all the way past Preston and onto the M61 - that was at lunchtime,
Clearly the Catholic Church isn’t fussy about who it marries these days.
Theologically the Catholic Church does not recognise marriages not conducted in a Catholic church or cathedral (whether in registry offices or Church of England churches etc), so as Boris has been an Anglican since he was a teenager in the eyes of the Catholic Church he has never been married before. Presumably he has converted back to Rome to enable him to be married in Westminster Cathedral today and presumably had a long confession with the priest beforehand
You are not being clear. The C of E is a Catholic Church. Presumably you mean the Roman Catholic Church.
No, the Church of England is a Protestant Church which broke away from Papal authority in the Reformation, it does not preach and practice the sanctity of confession nor the Holy Sacrament either.
It remains Catholic in the sense it views itself as part of the universal church of Christ in continuity with the early apostolic church but Protestant as shaped by the principles of the Reformation such as the Book of Common Prayer
The Church of England's website says you're wrong. They say that the CoE is catholic.
The religious settlement that eventually emerged in the reign of Elizabeth gave the Church of England the distinctive identity that it still has today. It resulted in a Church that consciously retained a large amount of continuity with the Church of the Patristic and Medieval periods in terms of its use of the catholic creeds, its pattern of ministry, its buildings and aspects of its liturgy, but which also embodied Protestant insights in its theology and in the overall shape of its liturgical practice. The way that this is often expressed is by saying that the Church of England is both 'catholic and reformed.'
It contains elements of Catholicism and elements of Protestantism, it is not fully either
Clearly the Catholic Church isn’t fussy about who it marries these days.
Theologically the Catholic Church does not recognise marriages not conducted in a Catholic church or cathedral (whether in registry offices or Church of England churches etc), so as Boris has been an Anglican since he was a teenager in the eyes of the Catholic Church he has never been married before . Presumably he has converted back to Rome to enable him to be married in Westminster Cathedral today and presumably had a long confession with the priest beforehand
In which case, is he our first Catholic PM?
3rd time lucky I suppose. The triumph of hope over experience.
Blair.
Blair only converted after he stepped down from being PM didn't he?
Which is very interesting, in that it implies he saw some issues with that action if done while he was PM (though the timing might be for other reasons, tbf). I'm not quite sure what they actually were.
Especially as both the other Party leaders were Catholics for a spell. IDS and Charlie Kennedy.
Clearly the Catholic Church isn’t fussy about who it marries these days.
Theologically the Catholic Church does not recognise marriages not conducted in a Catholic church or cathedral (whether in registry offices or Church of England churches etc), so as Boris has been an Anglican since he was a teenager in the eyes of the Catholic Church he has never been married before . Presumably he has converted back to Rome to enable him to be married in Westminster Cathedral today and presumably had a long confession with the priest beforehand
In which case, is he our first Catholic PM?
3rd time lucky I suppose. The triumph of hope over experience.
Blair.
Blair only converted after he stepped down from being PM didn't he?
Which is very interesting, in that it implies he saw some issues with that action if done while he was PM (though the timing might be for other reasons, tbf). I'm not quite sure what they actually were.
Probably his role in recommending bishops/archbishops.
Clearly the Catholic Church isn’t fussy about who it marries these days.
Theologically the Catholic Church does not recognise marriages not conducted in a Catholic church or cathedral (whether in registry offices or Church of England churches etc), so as Boris has been an Anglican since he was a teenager in the eyes of the Catholic Church he has never been married before. Presumably he has converted back to Rome to enable him to be married in Westminster Cathedral today and presumably had a long confession with the priest beforehand
You are not being clear. The C of E is a Catholic Church. Presumably you mean the Roman Catholic Church.
No, the Church of England is a Protestant Church which broke away from Papal authority in the Reformation, it does not preach and practice the sanctity of confession nor the Holy Sacrament either.
It remains Catholic in the sense it views itself as part of the universal church of Christ in continuity with the early apostolic church but Protestant as shaped by the principles of the Reformation such as the Book of Common Prayer
The Church of England's website says you're wrong. They say that the CoE is catholic.
The religious settlement that eventually emerged in the reign of Elizabeth gave the Church of England the distinctive identity that it still has today. It resulted in a Church that consciously retained a large amount of continuity with the Church of the Patristic and Medieval periods in terms of its use of the catholic creeds, its pattern of ministry, its buildings and aspects of its liturgy, but which also embodied Protestant insights in its theology and in the overall shape of its liturgical practice. The way that this is often expressed is by saying that the Church of England is both 'catholic and reformed.'
It contains elements of Catholicism and elements of Protestantism, it is not fully either
So you're saying the Church of England is wrong in saying that the Church of England is catholic? 🤔
I knew you thought that you knew better than the Tories who was a Tory, and that even Tory Cabinet Secretaries were not real Tories to you - I had no idea you knew better than the Church what the Church is!
Clearly the Catholic Church isn’t fussy about who it marries these days.
Theologically the Catholic Church does not recognise marriages not conducted in a Catholic church or cathedral (whether in registry offices or Church of England churches etc), so as Boris has been an Anglican since he was a teenager in the eyes of the Catholic Church he has never been married before. Presumably he has converted back to Rome to enable him to be married in Westminster Cathedral today and presumably had a long confession with the priest beforehand
You are not being clear. The C of E is a Catholic Church. Presumably you mean the Roman Catholic Church.
No, the Church of England is a Protestant Church which broke away from Papal authority in the Reformation, it does not preach and practice the sanctity of confession nor the Holy Sacrament either.
It remains Catholic in the sense it views itself as part of the universal church of Christ in continuity with the early apostolic church but Protestant as shaped by the principles of the Reformation such as the Book of Common Prayer
Yes, that's what I said, the C of E is a Catholic Church.
Generally speaking in Church of England churches idolotarybis out. M No Saints to.pray for wherever you look.
So our poll had a 12-point Tory lead, Survation had 10, YouGov had 14, Opinium have 6. Without debating who is right or wrong, I wonder which of these polls will get the most attention
Clearly the Catholic Church isn’t fussy about who it marries these days.
Theologically the Catholic Church does not recognise marriages not conducted in a Catholic church or cathedral (whether in registry offices or Church of England churches etc), so as Boris has been an Anglican since he was a teenager in the eyes of the Catholic Church he has never been married before. Presumably he has converted back to Rome to enable him to be married in Westminster Cathedral today and presumably had a long confession with the priest beforehand
You are not being clear. The C of E is a Catholic Church. Presumably you mean the Roman Catholic Church.
No, the Church of England is a Protestant Church which broke away from Papal authority in the Reformation, it does not preach and practice the sanctity of confession nor the Holy Sacrament either.
It remains Catholic in the sense it views itself as part of the universal church of Christ in continuity with the early apostolic church but Protestant as shaped by the principles of the Reformation such as the Book of Common Prayer
The Church of England's website says you're wrong. They say that the CoE is catholic.
The religious settlement that eventually emerged in the reign of Elizabeth gave the Church of England the distinctive identity that it still has today. It resulted in a Church that consciously retained a large amount of continuity with the Church of the Patristic and Medieval periods in terms of its use of the catholic creeds, its pattern of ministry, its buildings and aspects of its liturgy, but which also embodied Protestant insights in its theology and in the overall shape of its liturgical practice. The way that this is often expressed is by saying that the Church of England is both 'catholic and reformed.'
It contains elements of Catholicism and elements of Protestantism, it is not fully either
So you're saying the Church of England is wrong in saying that the Church of England is catholic? 🤔
I knew you thought that you knew better than the Tories who was a Tory, and that even Tory Cabinet Secretaries were not real Tories to you - I had no idea you knew better than the Church what the Church is!
It has elements of Catholicism, it is not a Roman Catholic Church however.
The head of the Church of England is the Archbishop of Canterbury not the Pope and that has been the case since the 16th century
Clearly the Catholic Church isn’t fussy about who it marries these days.
Theologically the Catholic Church does not recognise marriages not conducted in a Catholic church or cathedral (whether in registry offices or Church of England churches etc), so as Boris has been an Anglican since he was a teenager in the eyes of the Catholic Church he has never been married before. Presumably he has converted back to Rome to enable him to be married in Westminster Cathedral today and presumably had a long confession with the priest beforehand
You are not being clear. The C of E is a Catholic Church. Presumably you mean the Roman Catholic Church.
No, the Church of England is a Protestant Church which broke away from Papal authority in the Reformation, it does not preach and practice the sanctity of confession nor the Holy Sacrament either.
It remains Catholic in the sense it views itself as part of the universal church of Christ in continuity with the early apostolic church but Protestant as shaped by the principles of the Reformation such as the Book of Common Prayer
The Church of England's website says you're wrong. They say that the CoE is catholic.
The religious settlement that eventually emerged in the reign of Elizabeth gave the Church of England the distinctive identity that it still has today. It resulted in a Church that consciously retained a large amount of continuity with the Church of the Patristic and Medieval periods in terms of its use of the catholic creeds, its pattern of ministry, its buildings and aspects of its liturgy, but which also embodied Protestant insights in its theology and in the overall shape of its liturgical practice. The way that this is often expressed is by saying that the Church of England is both 'catholic and reformed.'
It contains elements of Catholicism and elements of Protestantism, it is not fully either
So you're saying the Church of England is wrong in saying that the Church of England is catholic? 🤔
I knew you thought that you knew better than the Tories who was a Tory, and that even Tory Cabinet Secretaries were not real Tories to you - I had no idea you knew better than the Church what the Church is!
It has elements of Catholicism, it is not a Roman Catholic Church however.
The head of the Church of England is the Archbishop of Canterbury not the Pope and that has been the case since the 16th century
The Head of the Church of England is the Queen...
Edit: Which means it is probably the only major religion with a female head.
Clearly the Catholic Church isn’t fussy about who it marries these days.
Theologically the Catholic Church does not recognise marriages not conducted in a Catholic church or cathedral (whether in registry offices or Church of England churches etc), so as Boris has been an Anglican since he was a teenager in the eyes of the Catholic Church he has never been married before. Presumably he has converted back to Rome to enable him to be married in Westminster Cathedral today and presumably had a long confession with the priest beforehand
You are not being clear. The C of E is a Catholic Church. Presumably you mean the Roman Catholic Church.
No, the Church of England is a Protestant Church which broke away from Papal authority in the Reformation, it does not preach and practice the sanctity of confession nor the Holy Sacrament either.
It remains Catholic in the sense it views itself as part of the universal church of Christ in continuity with the early apostolic church but Protestant as shaped by the principles of the Reformation such as the Book of Common Prayer
The Church of England's website says you're wrong. They say that the CoE is catholic.
The religious settlement that eventually emerged in the reign of Elizabeth gave the Church of England the distinctive identity that it still has today. It resulted in a Church that consciously retained a large amount of continuity with the Church of the Patristic and Medieval periods in terms of its use of the catholic creeds, its pattern of ministry, its buildings and aspects of its liturgy, but which also embodied Protestant insights in its theology and in the overall shape of its liturgical practice. The way that this is often expressed is by saying that the Church of England is both 'catholic and reformed.'
It contains elements of Catholicism and elements of Protestantism, it is not fully either
So you're saying the Church of England is wrong in saying that the Church of England is catholic? 🤔
I knew you thought that you knew better than the Tories who was a Tory, and that even Tory Cabinet Secretaries were not real Tories to you - I had no idea you knew better than the Church what the Church is!
It has elements of Catholicism, it is not a Roman Catholic Church however.
The head of the Church of England is the Archbishop of Canterbury not the Pope and that has been the case since the 16th century
I thought they said Boris wasn't getting married until next year? Wasn't that the Sun scoop last week?
They've clearly had to do it in a mad panic. Wonder what the story is there.
Much more likely they wanted some privacy and not to risk having protestors or other garbage outside on their special day.
Fair enough too. The increasing trend started (AFAIK) by dickhead American religious cultists of picketting weddings etc is despicable.
Thought you had to post the banns for 20 days beforehand. Did that happen? If not, why not? If so, how come it wasn't reported? Is this marriage actually legal? Or is it a sham? If it is a sham, why are they doing it? Who are they trying to fool and why? There really are a lot of questions here. But let's see how it plays out rather than speculate. There could well be a perfectly innocent explanation for everything.
Clearly the Catholic Church isn’t fussy about who it marries these days.
Theologically the Catholic Church does not recognise marriages not conducted in a Catholic church or cathedral (whether in registry offices or Church of England churches etc), so as Boris has been an Anglican since he was a teenager in the eyes of the Catholic Church he has never been married before. Presumably he has converted back to Rome to enable him to be married in Westminster Cathedral today and I would imagine had a long confession with the priest beforehand
Absolutely no need for him to convert. Wilfred being brought up a Catholic is sufficient.
Maybe just as well, as a Roman Catholic he would be legally prohibited from advising the Crown on appointments within the Church of England and Church of Scotland and could be removed from office if he did under s18 Roman Catholic Relief Act 1829.
Good for Boris getting married again! He can write a book to start saving for the inevitable divorce when he shags someone else and betrays yet another wife. Or as Rod Stewart put it, “Instead of getting married again, I'm going to find a woman I don't like and just give her a house.”
Clearly the Catholic Church isn’t fussy about who it marries these days.
Theologically the Catholic Church does not recognise marriages not conducted in a Catholic church or cathedral (whether in registry offices or Church of England churches etc), so as Boris has been an Anglican since he was a teenager in the eyes of the Catholic Church he has never been married before. Presumably he has converted back to Rome to enable him to be married in Westminster Cathedral today and presumably had a long confession with the priest beforehand
You are not being clear. The C of E is a Catholic Church. Presumably you mean the Roman Catholic Church.
No, the Church of England is a Protestant Church which broke away from Papal authority in the Reformation, it does not preach and practice the sanctity of confession nor the Holy Sacrament either.
It remains Catholic in the sense it views itself as part of the universal church of Christ in continuity with the early apostolic church but Protestant as shaped by the principles of the Reformation such as the Book of Common Prayer
The Church of England's website says you're wrong. They say that the CoE is catholic.
The religious settlement that eventually emerged in the reign of Elizabeth gave the Church of England the distinctive identity that it still has today. It resulted in a Church that consciously retained a large amount of continuity with the Church of the Patristic and Medieval periods in terms of its use of the catholic creeds, its pattern of ministry, its buildings and aspects of its liturgy, but which also embodied Protestant insights in its theology and in the overall shape of its liturgical practice. The way that this is often expressed is by saying that the Church of England is both 'catholic and reformed.'
It contains elements of Catholicism and elements of Protestantism, it is not fully either
So you're saying the Church of England is wrong in saying that the Church of England is catholic? 🤔
I knew you thought that you knew better than the Tories who was a Tory, and that even Tory Cabinet Secretaries were not real Tories to you - I had no idea you knew better than the Church what the Church is!
It has elements of Catholicism, it is not a Roman Catholic Church however.
The head of the Church of England is the Archbishop of Canterbury not the Pope and that has been the case since the 16th century
I thought it was Henry VIII and his descendants. He certainly decided who was Archbish and his descendants still do so (or the decision is made in their name, which is the same thing formally).
Clearly the Catholic Church isn’t fussy about who it marries these days.
Theologically the Catholic Church does not recognise marriages not conducted in a Catholic church or cathedral (whether in registry offices or Church of England churches etc), so as Boris has been an Anglican since he was a teenager in the eyes of the Catholic Church he has never been married before. Presumably he has converted back to Rome to enable him to be married in Westminster Cathedral today and presumably had a long confession with the priest beforehand
You are not being clear. The C of E is a Catholic Church. Presumably you mean the Roman Catholic Church.
No, the Church of England is a Protestant Church which broke away from Papal authority in the Reformation, it does not preach and practice the sanctity of confession nor the Holy Sacrament either.
It remains Catholic in the sense it views itself as part of the universal church of Christ in continuity with the early apostolic church but Protestant as shaped by the principles of the Reformation such as the Book of Common Prayer
The Church of England's website says you're wrong. They say that the CoE is catholic.
The religious settlement that eventually emerged in the reign of Elizabeth gave the Church of England the distinctive identity that it still has today. It resulted in a Church that consciously retained a large amount of continuity with the Church of the Patristic and Medieval periods in terms of its use of the catholic creeds, its pattern of ministry, its buildings and aspects of its liturgy, but which also embodied Protestant insights in its theology and in the overall shape of its liturgical practice. The way that this is often expressed is by saying that the Church of England is both 'catholic and reformed.'
It contains elements of Catholicism and elements of Protestantism, it is not fully either
So you're saying the Church of England is wrong in saying that the Church of England is catholic? 🤔
I knew you thought that you knew better than the Tories who was a Tory, and that even Tory Cabinet Secretaries were not real Tories to you - I had no idea you knew better than the Church what the Church is!
It has elements of Catholicism, it is not a Roman Catholic Church however.
The head of the Church of England is the Archbishop of Canterbury not the Pope and that has been the case since the 16th century
And I'm surtprised at your interpretation of Henry VIII's settlement, by the way. So too would be Henry VIII.
Clearly the Catholic Church isn’t fussy about who it marries these days.
Theologically the Catholic Church does not recognise marriages not conducted in a Catholic church or cathedral (whether in registry offices or Church of England churches etc), so as Boris has been an Anglican since he was a teenager in the eyes of the Catholic Church he has never been married before. Presumably he has converted back to Rome to enable him to be married in Westminster Cathedral today and presumably had a long confession with the priest beforehand
You are not being clear. The C of E is a Catholic Church. Presumably you mean the Roman Catholic Church.
No, the Church of England is a Protestant Church which broke away from Papal authority in the Reformation, it does not preach and practice the sanctity of confession nor the Holy Sacrament either.
It remains Catholic in the sense it views itself as part of the universal church of Christ in continuity with the early apostolic church but Protestant as shaped by the principles of the Reformation such as the Book of Common Prayer
The Church of England's website says you're wrong. They say that the CoE is catholic.
The religious settlement that eventually emerged in the reign of Elizabeth gave the Church of England the distinctive identity that it still has today. It resulted in a Church that consciously retained a large amount of continuity with the Church of the Patristic and Medieval periods in terms of its use of the catholic creeds, its pattern of ministry, its buildings and aspects of its liturgy, but which also embodied Protestant insights in its theology and in the overall shape of its liturgical practice. The way that this is often expressed is by saying that the Church of England is both 'catholic and reformed.'
It contains elements of Catholicism and elements of Protestantism, it is not fully either
So you're saying the Church of England is wrong in saying that the Church of England is catholic? 🤔
I knew you thought that you knew better than the Tories who was a Tory, and that even Tory Cabinet Secretaries were not real Tories to you - I had no idea you knew better than the Church what the Church is!
It has elements of Catholicism, it is not a Roman Catholic Church however.
The head of the Church of England is the Archbishop of Canterbury not the Pope and that has been the case since the 16th century
Isn't HM the head of the Anglican Church?
The monarch is the Supreme Governor of the Church of England, a ceremonial title mainly, it is the Archbishop of Canterbury who actually runs it as the Pope runs the Roman Catholic Church
Clearly the Catholic Church isn’t fussy about who it marries these days.
Theologically the Catholic Church does not recognise marriages not conducted in a Catholic church or cathedral (whether in registry offices or Church of England churches etc), so as Boris has been an Anglican since he was a teenager in the eyes of the Catholic Church he has never been married before. Presumably he has converted back to Rome to enable him to be married in Westminster Cathedral today and presumably had a long confession with the priest beforehand
You are not being clear. The C of E is a Catholic Church. Presumably you mean the Roman Catholic Church.
No, the Church of England is a Protestant Church which broke away from Papal authority in the Reformation, it does not preach and practice the sanctity of confession nor the Holy Sacrament either.
It remains Catholic in the sense it views itself as part of the universal church of Christ in continuity with the early apostolic church but Protestant as shaped by the principles of the Reformation such as the Book of Common Prayer
The Church of England's website says you're wrong. They say that the CoE is catholic.
The religious settlement that eventually emerged in the reign of Elizabeth gave the Church of England the distinctive identity that it still has today. It resulted in a Church that consciously retained a large amount of continuity with the Church of the Patristic and Medieval periods in terms of its use of the catholic creeds, its pattern of ministry, its buildings and aspects of its liturgy, but which also embodied Protestant insights in its theology and in the overall shape of its liturgical practice. The way that this is often expressed is by saying that the Church of England is both 'catholic and reformed.'
It contains elements of Catholicism and elements of Protestantism, it is not fully either
So you're saying the Church of England is wrong in saying that the Church of England is catholic? 🤔
I knew you thought that you knew better than the Tories who was a Tory, and that even Tory Cabinet Secretaries were not real Tories to you - I had no idea you knew better than the Church what the Church is!
It has elements of Catholicism, it is not a Roman Catholic Church however.
The head of the Church of England is the Archbishop of Canterbury not the Pope and that has been the case since the 16th century
Nobody said it was Roman Catholic. What was specifically said is it is Catholic, but not Roman Catholic. Catholic does not mean Roman Catholic. 🤦♂️
The Church of England's own website confirms that it is catholic.
So our poll had a 12-point Tory lead, Survation had 10, YouGov had 14, Opinium have 6. Without debating who is right or wrong, I wonder which of these polls will get the most attention
Good for Boris getting married again! He can write a book to start saving for the inevitable divorce when he shags someone else and betrays yet another wife. Or as Rod Stewart put it, “Instead of getting married again, I'm going to find a woman I don't like and just give her a house.”
Clearly the Catholic Church isn’t fussy about who it marries these days.
Theologically the Catholic Church does not recognise marriages not conducted in a Catholic church or cathedral (whether in registry offices or Church of England churches etc), so as Boris has been an Anglican since he was a teenager in the eyes of the Catholic Church he has never been married before. Presumably he has converted back to Rome to enable him to be married in Westminster Cathedral today and presumably had a long confession with the priest beforehand
You are not being clear. The C of E is a Catholic Church. Presumably you mean the Roman Catholic Church.
No, the Church of England is a Protestant Church which broke away from Papal authority in the Reformation, it does not preach and practice the sanctity of confession nor the Holy Sacrament either.
It remains Catholic in the sense it views itself as part of the universal church of Christ in continuity with the early apostolic church but Protestant as shaped by the principles of the Reformation such as the Book of Common Prayer
The Church of England's website says you're wrong. They say that the CoE is catholic.
The religious settlement that eventually emerged in the reign of Elizabeth gave the Church of England the distinctive identity that it still has today. It resulted in a Church that consciously retained a large amount of continuity with the Church of the Patristic and Medieval periods in terms of its use of the catholic creeds, its pattern of ministry, its buildings and aspects of its liturgy, but which also embodied Protestant insights in its theology and in the overall shape of its liturgical practice. The way that this is often expressed is by saying that the Church of England is both 'catholic and reformed.'
It contains elements of Catholicism and elements of Protestantism, it is not fully either
So you're saying the Church of England is wrong in saying that the Church of England is catholic? 🤔
I knew you thought that you knew better than the Tories who was a Tory, and that even Tory Cabinet Secretaries were not real Tories to you - I had no idea you knew better than the Church what the Church is!
It has elements of Catholicism, it is not a Roman Catholic Church however.
The head of the Church of England is the Archbishop of Canterbury not the Pope and that has been the case since the 16th century
Nobody said it was Roman Catholic. What was specifically said is it is Catholic, but not Roman Catholic. Catholic does not mean Roman Catholic. 🤦♂️
The Church of England's own website confirms that it is catholic.
But HYUFD knows better. 😂
Catholic certainly means Roman Catholic for the Vatican
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I thought they said Boris wasn't getting married until next year? Wasn't that the Sun scoop last week?
They've clearly had to do it in a mad panic. Wonder what the story is there.
Much more likely they wanted some privacy and not to risk having protestors or other garbage outside on their special day.
Fair enough too. The increasing trend started (AFAIK) by dickhead American religious cultists of picketting weddings etc is despicable.
Thought you had to post the banns for 20 days beforehand. Did that happen? If not, why not? If so, how come it wasn't reported? Is this marriage actually legal? Or is it a sham? If it is a sham, why are they doing it? Who are they trying to fool and why? There really are a lot of questions here. But let's see how it plays out rather than speculate. There could well be a perfectly innocent explanation for everything.
It used to be the case that you could get around the banns bit with a 'special licence' but even that had to be put up in the noticeboard outside the kirk, sorry church. But I am thinking C of E here. No idea what happens with RCs today.
Possibly thetre has been some security exemption (or public health - certainly think of the risk of reptile hordes of hacks swarming the nave and chancel, not to mention the balconies on the transept in the search for good camera angles).
Clearly the Catholic Church isn’t fussy about who it marries these days.
Theologically the Catholic Church does not recognise marriages not conducted in a Catholic church or cathedral (whether in registry offices or Church of England churches etc), so as Boris has been an Anglican since he was a teenager in the eyes of the Catholic Church he has never been married before. Presumably he has converted back to Rome to enable him to be married in Westminster Cathedral today and presumably had a long confession with the priest beforehand
You are not being clear. The C of E is a Catholic Church. Presumably you mean the Roman Catholic Church.
No, the Church of England is a Protestant Church which broke away from Papal authority in the Reformation, it does not preach and practice the sanctity of confession nor the Holy Sacrament either.
It remains Catholic in the sense it views itself as part of the universal church of Christ in continuity with the early apostolic church but Protestant as shaped by the principles of the Reformation such as the Book of Common Prayer
Yes, that's what I said, the C of E is a Catholic Church.
Clearly the Catholic Church isn’t fussy about who it marries these days.
Theologically the Catholic Church does not recognise marriages not conducted in a Catholic church or cathedral (whether in registry offices or Church of England churches etc), so as Boris has been an Anglican since he was a teenager in the eyes of the Catholic Church he has never been married before. Presumably he has converted back to Rome to enable him to be married in Westminster Cathedral today and presumably had a long confession with the priest beforehand
You are not being clear. The C of E is a Catholic Church. Presumably you mean the Roman Catholic Church.
No, the Church of England is a Protestant Church which broke away from Papal authority in the Reformation, it does not preach and practice the sanctity of confession nor the Holy Sacrament either.
It remains Catholic in the sense it views itself as part of the universal church of Christ in continuity with the early apostolic church but Protestant as shaped by the principles of the Reformation such as the Book of Common Prayer
The Church of England's website says you're wrong. They say that the CoE is catholic.
The religious settlement that eventually emerged in the reign of Elizabeth gave the Church of England the distinctive identity that it still has today. It resulted in a Church that consciously retained a large amount of continuity with the Church of the Patristic and Medieval periods in terms of its use of the catholic creeds, its pattern of ministry, its buildings and aspects of its liturgy, but which also embodied Protestant insights in its theology and in the overall shape of its liturgical practice. The way that this is often expressed is by saying that the Church of England is both 'catholic and reformed.'
It contains elements of Catholicism and elements of Protestantism, it is not fully either
So you're saying the Church of England is wrong in saying that the Church of England is catholic? 🤔
I knew you thought that you knew better than the Tories who was a Tory, and that even Tory Cabinet Secretaries were not real Tories to you - I had no idea you knew better than the Church what the Church is!
It has elements of Catholicism, it is not a Roman Catholic Church however.
The head of the Church of England is the Archbishop of Canterbury not the Pope and that has been the case since the 16th century
Nobody said it was Roman Catholic. What was specifically said is it is Catholic, but not Roman Catholic. Catholic does not mean Roman Catholic. 🤦♂️
The Church of England's own website confirms that it is catholic.
But HYUFD knows better. 😂
Catholic certainly means Roman Catholic for the Vatican
Catholic is an adjective that means universal. I have catholic tastes in music for instance: that doesn't mean I only like Gregorian chant.
Congratulations to the happy couple - and to everyone else finally able to get married now weddings are legal again. Good luck to HYUFD with his soon.
Weddings being postponed has been one of the (many) heartbreaking things of this pandemic. Our wedding took two years to plan (mainly so family overseas could all be here), so I can only imagine those who'd been planning theirs for long only to have it all torn up.
Marriages have been legal for months (on and off), surely. It's just the big whoopees that weren't. There is a difference.
I love a wedding.
When i got married on Black Friday many years ago we had a string quartet playing at the wedding breakfast (no seriously, we did) I wonder if Johnson had any violinists?
I think he knows at least one...
Although whoever played at his wedding, none surpass his skills in all aspects of fiddling.
Clearly the Catholic Church isn’t fussy about who it marries these days.
Theologically the Catholic Church does not recognise marriages not conducted in a Catholic church or cathedral (whether in registry offices or Church of England churches etc), so as Boris has been an Anglican since he was a teenager in the eyes of the Catholic Church he has never been married before. Presumably he has converted back to Rome to enable him to be married in Westminster Cathedral today and presumably had a long confession with the priest beforehand
You are not being clear. The C of E is a Catholic Church. Presumably you mean the Roman Catholic Church.
No, the Church of England is a Protestant Church which broke away from Papal authority in the Reformation, it does not preach and practice the sanctity of confession nor the Holy Sacrament either.
It remains Catholic in the sense it views itself as part of the universal church of Christ in continuity with the early apostolic church but Protestant as shaped by the principles of the Reformation such as the Book of Common Prayer
Yes, that's what I said, the C of E is a Catholic Church.
Clearly the Catholic Church isn’t fussy about who it marries these days.
Theologically the Catholic Church does not recognise marriages not conducted in a Catholic church or cathedral (whether in registry offices or Church of England churches etc), so as Boris has been an Anglican since he was a teenager in the eyes of the Catholic Church he has never been married before. Presumably he has converted back to Rome to enable him to be married in Westminster Cathedral today and presumably had a long confession with the priest beforehand
You are not being clear. The C of E is a Catholic Church. Presumably you mean the Roman Catholic Church.
No, the Church of England is a Protestant Church which broke away from Papal authority in the Reformation, it does not preach and practice the sanctity of confession nor the Holy Sacrament either.
It remains Catholic in the sense it views itself as part of the universal church of Christ in continuity with the early apostolic church but Protestant as shaped by the principles of the Reformation such as the Book of Common Prayer
Yes, that's what I said, the C of E is a Catholic Church.
Generally speaking in Church of England churches idolotarybis out. M No Saints to.pray for wherever you look.
Depends where you go. On one hand, there are spookily poignant places like Ely Cathedral, where all the statues in the Lady Chapel were beheaded at the Reformation. But there are also C of E places where you can't move for icons, statues and whatnot.
Clearly the Catholic Church isn’t fussy about who it marries these days.
Theologically the Catholic Church does not recognise marriages not conducted in a Catholic church or cathedral (whether in registry offices or Church of England churches etc), so as Boris has been an Anglican since he was a teenager in the eyes of the Catholic Church he has never been married before. Presumably he has converted back to Rome to enable him to be married in Westminster Cathedral today and presumably had a long confession with the priest beforehand
You are not being clear. The C of E is a Catholic Church. Presumably you mean the Roman Catholic Church.
No, the Church of England is a Protestant Church which broke away from Papal authority in the Reformation, it does not preach and practice the sanctity of confession nor the Holy Sacrament either.
It remains Catholic in the sense it views itself as part of the universal church of Christ in continuity with the early apostolic church but Protestant as shaped by the principles of the Reformation such as the Book of Common Prayer
The Church of England's website says you're wrong. They say that the CoE is catholic.
The religious settlement that eventually emerged in the reign of Elizabeth gave the Church of England the distinctive identity that it still has today. It resulted in a Church that consciously retained a large amount of continuity with the Church of the Patristic and Medieval periods in terms of its use of the catholic creeds, its pattern of ministry, its buildings and aspects of its liturgy, but which also embodied Protestant insights in its theology and in the overall shape of its liturgical practice. The way that this is often expressed is by saying that the Church of England is both 'catholic and reformed.'
It contains elements of Catholicism and elements of Protestantism, it is not fully either
So you're saying the Church of England is wrong in saying that the Church of England is catholic? 🤔
I knew you thought that you knew better than the Tories who was a Tory, and that even Tory Cabinet Secretaries were not real Tories to you - I had no idea you knew better than the Church what the Church is!
It has elements of Catholicism, it is not a Roman Catholic Church however.
The head of the Church of England is the Archbishop of Canterbury not the Pope and that has been the case since the 16th century
Isn't HM the head of the Anglican Church?
The monarch is the Supreme Governor of the Church of England, a ceremonial title mainly, it is the Archbishop of Canterbury who actually runs it as the Pope runs the Roman Catholic Church
'Actually' is not the word we want. It is the formal and legal title we want. And that is HMtQ. Never mind if she delegates it to the PM and +Cantuar in practice. She is the one with the powers.
Clearly the Catholic Church isn’t fussy about who it marries these days.
Theologically the Catholic Church does not recognise marriages not conducted in a Catholic church or cathedral (whether in registry offices or Church of England churches etc), so as Boris has been an Anglican since he was a teenager in the eyes of the Catholic Church he has never been married before. Presumably he has converted back to Rome to enable him to be married in Westminster Cathedral today and presumably had a long confession with the priest beforehand
You are not being clear. The C of E is a Catholic Church. Presumably you mean the Roman Catholic Church.
No, the Church of England is a Protestant Church which broke away from Papal authority in the Reformation, it does not preach and practice the sanctity of confession nor the Holy Sacrament either.
It remains Catholic in the sense it views itself as part of the universal church of Christ in continuity with the early apostolic church but Protestant as shaped by the principles of the Reformation such as the Book of Common Prayer
The Church of England's website says you're wrong. They say that the CoE is catholic.
The religious settlement that eventually emerged in the reign of Elizabeth gave the Church of England the distinctive identity that it still has today. It resulted in a Church that consciously retained a large amount of continuity with the Church of the Patristic and Medieval periods in terms of its use of the catholic creeds, its pattern of ministry, its buildings and aspects of its liturgy, but which also embodied Protestant insights in its theology and in the overall shape of its liturgical practice. The way that this is often expressed is by saying that the Church of England is both 'catholic and reformed.'
It contains elements of Catholicism and elements of Protestantism, it is not fully either
So you're saying the Church of England is wrong in saying that the Church of England is catholic? 🤔
I knew you thought that you knew better than the Tories who was a Tory, and that even Tory Cabinet Secretaries were not real Tories to you - I had no idea you knew better than the Church what the Church is!
It has elements of Catholicism, it is not a Roman Catholic Church however.
The head of the Church of England is the Archbishop of Canterbury not the Pope and that has been the case since the 16th century
Nobody said it was Roman Catholic. What was specifically said is it is Catholic, but not Roman Catholic. Catholic does not mean Roman Catholic. 🤦♂️
Indeed, this was this was the comment that sparked all this You are not being clear. The C of E is a Catholic Church. Presumably you mean the Roman Catholic Church.
Rewriting history doesn't work when quotes are nested.
Clearly the Catholic Church isn’t fussy about who it marries these days.
Theologically the Catholic Church does not recognise marriages not conducted in a Catholic church or cathedral (whether in registry offices or Church of England churches etc), so as Boris has been an Anglican since he was a teenager in the eyes of the Catholic Church he has never been married before. Presumably he has converted back to Rome to enable him to be married in Westminster Cathedral today and presumably had a long confession with the priest beforehand
You are not being clear. The C of E is a Catholic Church. Presumably you mean the Roman Catholic Church.
No, the Church of England is a Protestant Church which broke away from Papal authority in the Reformation, it does not preach and practice the sanctity of confession nor the Holy Sacrament either.
It remains Catholic in the sense it views itself as part of the universal church of Christ in continuity with the early apostolic church but Protestant as shaped by the principles of the Reformation such as the Book of Common Prayer
Yes, that's what I said, the C of E is a Catholic Church.
Q: Is the C of E Protestant or Catholic? A: Yes.
Yes it is or yes it isn’t?
Just yes.
I'm a physics teacher: I'm used to things that are two contradictory things at the same time (both from the physics and the teaching tbf).
I thought they said Boris wasn't getting married until next year? Wasn't that the Sun scoop last week?
They've clearly had to do it in a mad panic. Wonder what the story is there.
Much more likely they wanted some privacy and not to risk having protestors or other garbage outside on their special day.
Fair enough too. The increasing trend started (AFAIK) by dickhead American religious cultists of picketting weddings etc is despicable.
Thought you had to post the banns for 20 days beforehand. Did that happen? If not, why not? If so, how come it wasn't reported? Is this marriage actually legal? Or is it a sham? If it is a sham, why are they doing it? Who are they trying to fool and why? There really are a lot of questions here. But let's see how it plays out rather than speculate. There could well be a perfectly innocent explanation for everything.
Is this how the Obama Truthers operated? That is not, for the avoidance of doubt, a compliment.
I thought they said Boris wasn't getting married until next year? Wasn't that the Sun scoop last week?
They've clearly had to do it in a mad panic. Wonder what the story is there.
Much more likely they wanted some privacy and not to risk having protestors or other garbage outside on their special day.
Fair enough too. The increasing trend started (AFAIK) by dickhead American religious cultists of picketting weddings etc is despicable.
Thought you had to post the banns for 20 days beforehand. Did that happen? If not, why not? If so, how come it wasn't reported? Is this marriage actually legal? Or is it a sham? If it is a sham, why are they doing it? Who are they trying to fool and why? There really are a lot of questions here. But let's see how it plays out rather than speculate. There could well be a perfectly innocent explanation for everything.
It used to be the case that you could get around the banns bit with a 'special licence' but even that had to be put up in the noticeboard outside the kirk, sorry church. But I am thinking C of E here. No idea what happens with RCs today.
Possibly thetre has been some security exemption (or public health - certainly think of the risk of reptile hordes of hacks swarming the nave and chancel, not to mention the balconies on the transept in the search for good camera angles).
Yes, I thought it was a hard legal requirement but I might be wrong. It's been a while now.
Clearly the Catholic Church isn’t fussy about who it marries these days.
Theologically the Catholic Church does not recognise marriages not conducted in a Catholic church or cathedral (whether in registry offices or Church of England churches etc), so as Boris has been an Anglican since he was a teenager in the eyes of the Catholic Church he has never been married before. Presumably he has converted back to Rome to enable him to be married in Westminster Cathedral today and presumably had a long confession with the priest beforehand
You are not being clear. The C of E is a Catholic Church. Presumably you mean the Roman Catholic Church.
No, the Church of England is a Protestant Church which broke away from Papal authority in the Reformation, it does not preach and practice the sanctity of confession nor the Holy Sacrament either.
It remains Catholic in the sense it views itself as part of the universal church of Christ in continuity with the early apostolic church but Protestant as shaped by the principles of the Reformation such as the Book of Common Prayer
The Church of England's website says you're wrong. They say that the CoE is catholic.
The religious settlement that eventually emerged in the reign of Elizabeth gave the Church of England the distinctive identity that it still has today. It resulted in a Church that consciously retained a large amount of continuity with the Church of the Patristic and Medieval periods in terms of its use of the catholic creeds, its pattern of ministry, its buildings and aspects of its liturgy, but which also embodied Protestant insights in its theology and in the overall shape of its liturgical practice. The way that this is often expressed is by saying that the Church of England is both 'catholic and reformed.'
It contains elements of Catholicism and elements of Protestantism, it is not fully either
So you're saying the Church of England is wrong in saying that the Church of England is catholic? 🤔
I knew you thought that you knew better than the Tories who was a Tory, and that even Tory Cabinet Secretaries were not real Tories to you - I had no idea you knew better than the Church what the Church is!
It has elements of Catholicism, it is not a Roman Catholic Church however.
The head of the Church of England is the Archbishop of Canterbury not the Pope and that has been the case since the 16th century
Nobody said it was Roman Catholic. What was specifically said is it is Catholic, but not Roman Catholic. Catholic does not mean Roman Catholic. 🤦♂️
The Church of England's own website confirms that it is catholic.
But HYUFD knows better. 😂
Catholic certainly means Roman Catholic for the Vatican
It doesn't matter what it means to them, they don't get decide for everyone, that's why other demoninations exist.
Clearly the Catholic Church isn’t fussy about who it marries these days.
Theologically the Catholic Church does not recognise marriages not conducted in a Catholic church or cathedral (whether in registry offices or Church of England churches etc), so as Boris has been an Anglican since he was a teenager in the eyes of the Catholic Church he has never been married before. Presumably he has converted back to Rome to enable him to be married in Westminster Cathedral today and presumably had a long confession with the priest beforehand
You are not being clear. The C of E is a Catholic Church. Presumably you mean the Roman Catholic Church.
No, the Church of England is a Protestant Church which broke away from Papal authority in the Reformation, it does not preach and practice the sanctity of confession nor the Holy Sacrament either.
It remains Catholic in the sense it views itself as part of the universal church of Christ in continuity with the early apostolic church but Protestant as shaped by the principles of the Reformation such as the Book of Common Prayer
The Church of England's website says you're wrong. They say that the CoE is catholic.
The religious settlement that eventually emerged in the reign of Elizabeth gave the Church of England the distinctive identity that it still has today. It resulted in a Church that consciously retained a large amount of continuity with the Church of the Patristic and Medieval periods in terms of its use of the catholic creeds, its pattern of ministry, its buildings and aspects of its liturgy, but which also embodied Protestant insights in its theology and in the overall shape of its liturgical practice. The way that this is often expressed is by saying that the Church of England is both 'catholic and reformed.'
It contains elements of Catholicism and elements of Protestantism, it is not fully either
So you're saying the Church of England is wrong in saying that the Church of England is catholic? 🤔
I knew you thought that you knew better than the Tories who was a Tory, and that even Tory Cabinet Secretaries were not real Tories to you - I had no idea you knew better than the Church what the Church is!
It has elements of Catholicism, it is not a Roman Catholic Church however.
The head of the Church of England is the Archbishop of Canterbury not the Pope and that has been the case since the 16th century
Nobody said it was Roman Catholic. What was specifically said is it is Catholic, but not Roman Catholic. Catholic does not mean Roman Catholic. 🤦♂️
Indeed, this was this was the comment that sparked all this You are not being clear. The C of E is a Catholic Church. Presumably you mean the Roman Catholic Church.
Rewriting history doesn't work when quotes are nested.
To be fair to HYUFD, that was in reply to
Theologically the Catholic Church does not recognise marriages not conducted in a Catholic church or cathedral
Which could be interpreted both ways, but I think most would interpret it as meaning catholic church churches.
Trivia question: what is the shortest time between someone being ordained and their accession to the Archbishopric of Canterbury?
Two days?
Becket was ordained a priest on 2 June 1162 at Canterbury, and on 3 June 1162 was consecrated as archbishop by Henry of Blois, the Bishop of Winchester
I thought they said Boris wasn't getting married until next year? Wasn't that the Sun scoop last week?
They've clearly had to do it in a mad panic. Wonder what the story is there.
Much more likely they wanted some privacy and not to risk having protestors or other garbage outside on their special day.
Fair enough too. The increasing trend started (AFAIK) by dickhead American religious cultists of picketting weddings etc is despicable.
Thought you had to post the banns for 20 days beforehand. Did that happen? If not, why not? If so, how come it wasn't reported? Is this marriage actually legal? Or is it a sham? If it is a sham, why are they doing it? Who are they trying to fool and why? There really are a lot of questions here. But let's see how it plays out rather than speculate. There could well be a perfectly innocent explanation for everything.
Clearly the Catholic Church isn’t fussy about who it marries these days.
Theologically the Catholic Church does not recognise marriages not conducted in a Catholic church or cathedral (whether in registry offices or Church of England churches etc), so as Boris has been an Anglican since he was a teenager in the eyes of the Catholic Church he has never been married before. Presumably he has converted back to Rome to enable him to be married in Westminster Cathedral today and presumably had a long confession with the priest beforehand
You are not being clear. The C of E is a Catholic Church. Presumably you mean the Roman Catholic Church.
No, the Church of England is a Protestant Church which broke away from Papal authority in the Reformation, it does not preach and practice the sanctity of confession nor the Holy Sacrament either.
It remains Catholic in the sense it views itself as part of the universal church of Christ in continuity with the early apostolic church but Protestant as shaped by the principles of the Reformation such as the Book of Common Prayer
The Church of England's website says you're wrong. They say that the CoE is catholic.
The religious settlement that eventually emerged in the reign of Elizabeth gave the Church of England the distinctive identity that it still has today. It resulted in a Church that consciously retained a large amount of continuity with the Church of the Patristic and Medieval periods in terms of its use of the catholic creeds, its pattern of ministry, its buildings and aspects of its liturgy, but which also embodied Protestant insights in its theology and in the overall shape of its liturgical practice. The way that this is often expressed is by saying that the Church of England is both 'catholic and reformed.'
It contains elements of Catholicism and elements of Protestantism, it is not fully either
So you're saying the Church of England is wrong in saying that the Church of England is catholic? 🤔
I knew you thought that you knew better than the Tories who was a Tory, and that even Tory Cabinet Secretaries were not real Tories to you - I had no idea you knew better than the Church what the Church is!
It has elements of Catholicism, it is not a Roman Catholic Church however.
The head of the Church of England is the Archbishop of Canterbury not the Pope and that has been the case since the 16th century
Nobody said it was Roman Catholic. What was specifically said is it is Catholic, but not Roman Catholic. Catholic does not mean Roman Catholic. 🤦♂️
The Church of England's own website confirms that it is catholic.
But HYUFD knows better. 😂
Catholic certainly means Roman Catholic for the Vatican
It doesn't matter what it means to them, they don't get decide for everyone, that's why other demoninations exist.
Clearly the Catholic Church isn’t fussy about who it marries these days.
Theologically the Catholic Church does not recognise marriages not conducted in a Catholic church or cathedral (whether in registry offices or Church of England churches etc), so as Boris has been an Anglican since he was a teenager in the eyes of the Catholic Church he has never been married before. Presumably he has converted back to Rome to enable him to be married in Westminster Cathedral today and presumably had a long confession with the priest beforehand
You are not being clear. The C of E is a Catholic Church. Presumably you mean the Roman Catholic Church.
No, the Church of England is a Protestant Church which broke away from Papal authority in the Reformation, it does not preach and practice the sanctity of confession nor the Holy Sacrament either.
It remains Catholic in the sense it views itself as part of the universal church of Christ in continuity with the early apostolic church but Protestant as shaped by the principles of the Reformation such as the Book of Common Prayer
The Church of England's website says you're wrong. They say that the CoE is catholic.
The religious settlement that eventually emerged in the reign of Elizabeth gave the Church of England the distinctive identity that it still has today. It resulted in a Church that consciously retained a large amount of continuity with the Church of the Patristic and Medieval periods in terms of its use of the catholic creeds, its pattern of ministry, its buildings and aspects of its liturgy, but which also embodied Protestant insights in its theology and in the overall shape of its liturgical practice. The way that this is often expressed is by saying that the Church of England is both 'catholic and reformed.'
It contains elements of Catholicism and elements of Protestantism, it is not fully either
So you're saying the Church of England is wrong in saying that the Church of England is catholic? 🤔
I knew you thought that you knew better than the Tories who was a Tory, and that even Tory Cabinet Secretaries were not real Tories to you - I had no idea you knew better than the Church what the Church is!
It has elements of Catholicism, it is not a Roman Catholic Church however.
The head of the Church of England is the Archbishop of Canterbury not the Pope and that has been the case since the 16th century
Nobody said it was Roman Catholic. What was specifically said is it is Catholic, but not Roman Catholic. Catholic does not mean Roman Catholic. 🤦♂️
The Church of England's own website confirms that it is catholic.
But HYUFD knows better. 😂
Catholic certainly means Roman Catholic for the Vatican
The Church of England doesn't answer to the Vatican and self-describes itself as Catholic.
So who is right about the Church of England? The Church of England, or HYUFD?
Clearly the Catholic Church isn’t fussy about who it marries these days.
Theologically the Catholic Church does not recognise marriages not conducted in a Catholic church or cathedral (whether in registry offices or Church of England churches etc), so as Boris has been an Anglican since he was a teenager in the eyes of the Catholic Church he has never been married before. Presumably he has converted back to Rome to enable him to be married in Westminster Cathedral today and presumably had a long confession with the priest beforehand
You are not being clear. The C of E is a Catholic Church. Presumably you mean the Roman Catholic Church.
No, the Church of England is a Protestant Church which broke away from Papal authority in the Reformation, it does not preach and practice the sanctity of confession nor the Holy Sacrament either.
It remains Catholic in the sense it views itself as part of the universal church of Christ in continuity with the early apostolic church but Protestant as shaped by the principles of the Reformation such as the Book of Common Prayer
The Church of England's website says you're wrong. They say that the CoE is catholic.
The religious settlement that eventually emerged in the reign of Elizabeth gave the Church of England the distinctive identity that it still has today. It resulted in a Church that consciously retained a large amount of continuity with the Church of the Patristic and Medieval periods in terms of its use of the catholic creeds, its pattern of ministry, its buildings and aspects of its liturgy, but which also embodied Protestant insights in its theology and in the overall shape of its liturgical practice. The way that this is often expressed is by saying that the Church of England is both 'catholic and reformed.'
It contains elements of Catholicism and elements of Protestantism, it is not fully either
So you're saying the Church of England is wrong in saying that the Church of England is catholic? 🤔
I knew you thought that you knew better than the Tories who was a Tory, and that even Tory Cabinet Secretaries were not real Tories to you - I had no idea you knew better than the Church what the Church is!
It has elements of Catholicism, it is not a Roman Catholic Church however.
The head of the Church of England is the Archbishop of Canterbury not the Pope and that has been the case since the 16th century
Nobody said it was Roman Catholic. What was specifically said is it is Catholic, but not Roman Catholic. Catholic does not mean Roman Catholic. 🤦♂️
Indeed, this was this was the comment that sparked all this You are not being clear. The C of E is a Catholic Church. Presumably you mean the Roman Catholic Church.
Rewriting history doesn't work when quotes are nested.
To be fair to HYUFD, that was in reply to
Theologically the Catholic Church does not recognise marriages not conducted in a Catholic church or cathedral
Which could be interpreted both ways, but I think most would interpret it as meaning catholic church churches.
But it's still like saying "The Protestant Church does not recognise marriages ..."
Clearly the Catholic Church isn’t fussy about who it marries these days.
Theologically the Catholic Church does not recognise marriages not conducted in a Catholic church or cathedral (whether in registry offices or Church of England churches etc), so as Boris has been an Anglican since he was a teenager in the eyes of the Catholic Church he has never been married before. Presumably he has converted back to Rome to enable him to be married in Westminster Cathedral today and presumably had a long confession with the priest beforehand
You are not being clear. The C of E is a Catholic Church. Presumably you mean the Roman Catholic Church.
No, the Church of England is a Protestant Church which broke away from Papal authority in the Reformation, it does not preach and practice the sanctity of confession nor the Holy Sacrament either.
It remains Catholic in the sense it views itself as part of the universal church of Christ in continuity with the early apostolic church but Protestant as shaped by the principles of the Reformation such as the Book of Common Prayer
The Church of England's website says you're wrong. They say that the CoE is catholic.
The religious settlement that eventually emerged in the reign of Elizabeth gave the Church of England the distinctive identity that it still has today. It resulted in a Church that consciously retained a large amount of continuity with the Church of the Patristic and Medieval periods in terms of its use of the catholic creeds, its pattern of ministry, its buildings and aspects of its liturgy, but which also embodied Protestant insights in its theology and in the overall shape of its liturgical practice. The way that this is often expressed is by saying that the Church of England is both 'catholic and reformed.'
It contains elements of Catholicism and elements of Protestantism, it is not fully either
So you're saying the Church of England is wrong in saying that the Church of England is catholic? 🤔
I knew you thought that you knew better than the Tories who was a Tory, and that even Tory Cabinet Secretaries were not real Tories to you - I had no idea you knew better than the Church what the Church is!
It has elements of Catholicism, it is not a Roman Catholic Church however.
The head of the Church of England is the Archbishop of Canterbury not the Pope and that has been the case since the 16th century
Isn't HM the head of the Anglican Church?
The monarch is the Supreme Governor of the Church of England, a ceremonial title mainly, it is the Archbishop of Canterbury who actually runs it as the Pope runs the Roman Catholic Church
Comments
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/may/29/we-faced-an-unprecedented-crisis-but-tens-of-thousands-of-second-wave-covid-deaths-were-avoidable-and-unforgivable
The rightwing parties are now mainly parties forming coalitions between the rich and less educated, compared to the 1970s when rightwing parties were coalitions of the rich and the highly educated
https://twitter.com/MattGrossmann/status/1398640527373971456?s=20
If I were in charge of this (which would be a really bad idea) then I would try to move to a sort of lecture/tutorial model: use the Oak Academy stuff to introduce the ideas, perhaps replacing homework, and then reserve school time for going though questions and making sure that the ideas have been understood.
The problems are obvious though: it assumes that school children have time, IT resources, and motivation to watch and take in the lecture side without the supervision of a teacher trained in the highly skilled art of making sure everyone is awake. It would also give a government immense control over exactly what was being taught.
Hmm. So much for the talk of next year.
Weddings being postponed has been one of the (many) heartbreaking things of this pandemic. Our wedding took two years to plan (mainly so family overseas could all be here), so I can only imagine those who'd been planning theirs for long only to have it all torn up.
I think the Catholic Church lost all moral authority when the truth about its priests came out in the nineties.
Catholic Cathedral? Didn't think that possible for a double divorcee.
A wedding without guests is not the same thing.
Fair enough too. The increasing trend started (AFAIK) by dickhead American religious cultists of picketting weddings etc is despicable.
3rd time lucky I suppose. The triumph of hope over experience.
Maybe that's why they thought it would take until 2022.
When i got married on Black Friday many years ago we had a string quartet playing at the wedding breakfast (no seriously, we did) I wonder if Johnson had any violinists?
Will that lead to another boost in his personal and party raings?
It remains Catholic in the sense it views itself as part of the universal church of Christ in continuity with the early apostolic church but Protestant as shaped by the principles of the Reformation such as the Book of Common Prayer
https://www.churchofengland.org/news-and-media/media-centre/history-church-england
The religious settlement that eventually emerged in the reign of Elizabeth gave the Church of England the distinctive identity that it still has today. It resulted in a Church that consciously retained a large amount of continuity with the Church of the Patristic and Medieval periods in terms of its use of the catholic creeds, its pattern of ministry, its buildings and aspects of its liturgy, but which also embodied Protestant insights in its theology and in the overall shape of its liturgical practice. The way that this is often expressed is by saying that the Church of England is both 'catholic and reformed.'
Boris just keeps iconclasming.
My (73 year-old) dad has physically shrunk massively since I last saw him. Insists his gaunt weight and muscle loss image is just old age and not something nasty. Not sure about that...
A: Yes.
IDS and Charlie Kennedy.
I knew you thought that you knew better than the Tories who was a Tory, and that even Tory Cabinet Secretaries were not real Tories to you - I had no idea you knew better than the Church what the Church is!
No Saints to.pray for wherever you look.
So our poll had a 12-point Tory lead, Survation had 10, YouGov had 14, Opinium have 6. Without debating who is right or wrong, I wonder which of these polls will get the most attention
https://twitter.com/MattSingh_/status/1398716807251378176?s=20
The head of the Church of England is the Archbishop of Canterbury not the Pope and that has been the case since the 16th century
Edit: Which means it is probably the only major religion with a female head.
https://twitter.com/semperadiuvans/status/1398737578828967936?s=20
“Instead of getting married again, I'm going to find a woman I don't like and just give her a house.”
The Church of England's own website confirms that it is catholic.
But HYUFD knows better. 😂
Polls more favourable to Labour get more re-tweets:
https://medium.com/@chrishanretty/sexy-labour-leaning-polls-get-more-traction-on-twitter-4f3113415a88
Douglas Chapman, the MP for Dunfermline and West Fife, announced he had resigned as national treasurer of the party on Saturday evening. Mr Chapman took over in the role last year.
On Twitter, he said: "Despite having a resounding mandate from members to introduce more transparency into the party's finances, I have not received the support or financial information to carry out the fiduciary duties of National Treasurer.
https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/douglas-chapman-resigns-as-snp-national-treasurer-over-lack-of-support-3255260
Possibly thetre has been some security exemption (or public health - certainly think of the risk of reptile hordes of hacks swarming the nave and chancel, not to mention the balconies on the transept in the search for good camera angles).
On one hand, there are spookily poignant places like Ely Cathedral, where all the statues in the Lady Chapel were beheaded at the Reformation. But there are also C of E places where you can't move for icons, statues and whatnot.
You are not being clear. The C of E is a Catholic Church. Presumably you mean the Roman Catholic Church.
Rewriting history doesn't work when quotes are nested.
I'm a physics teacher: I'm used to things that are two contradictory things at the same time (both from the physics and the teaching tbf).
Theologically the Catholic Church does not recognise marriages not conducted in a Catholic church or cathedral
Which could be interpreted both ways, but I think most would interpret it as meaning catholic church churches.
Its rather nasty really.
So who is right about the Church of England? The Church of England, or HYUFD?