Interesting article on COVID vaccinations in the US. I had missed that the Biden Administration had set 70% of the adult population having had at least one shot as being a major milestone on the road to normalcy. The UK must already be there?
Yes, the UK is over 70% of adults (over 18) vaccinated at least once.
In some of the US figures they are using over 16 as the definition, since they are vaccinating down to 16.
Has anybody ever got to the bottom of where Drakeford is getting his magic extra doses, as there is no evidence any of the other nations sit on supply (certainly not now, there was some early on as different nations had slightly different approaches e.g. Scotland doing care homes first).
Just as well the the US has a SC which recognises that the single most important right in the Constitution is the right of every qualified voter to vote.
Interesting article on COVID vaccinations in the US. I had missed that the Biden Administration had set 70% of the adult population having had at least one shot as being a major milestone on the road to normalcy. The UK must already be there?
Yes, the UK is over 70% of adults (over 18) vaccinated at least once.
In some of the US figures they are using over 16 as the definition, since they are vaccinating down to 16.
Has anybody ever got to the bottom of where Drakeford is getting his magic extra doses, as there is no evidence any of the other nations sit on supply (certainly not now, there was some early on as different nations had slightly different approaches e.g. Scotland doing care homes first).
One almost wonders if there is something dodgy about the basic population figures being used. But I can't see how 3 of 4 could be so similar and only one right out on a limb. Unless something went wrong with the Welsh census, or a lot of Welsh have died or emigrated to Epping.
Interesting article on COVID vaccinations in the US. I had missed that the Biden Administration had set 70% of the adult population having had at least one shot as being a major milestone on the road to normalcy. The UK must already be there?
Yes, the UK is over 70% of adults (over 18) vaccinated at least once.
In some of the US figures they are using over 16 as the definition, since they are vaccinating down to 16.
Has anybody ever got to the bottom of where Drakeford is getting his magic extra doses, as there is no evidence any of the other nations sit on supply (certainly not now, there was some early on as different nations had slightly different approaches e.g. Scotland doing care homes first).
One almost wonders if there is something dodgy about the basic population figures being used. But I can't see how 3 of 4 could be so similar and only one right out on a limb. Unless something went wrong with the Welsh census, or a lot of Welsh have died or emigrated to Epping.
I mean it doesn't really matter, all nations are doing well, which is the most important thing, its just really stand out oddness and be interesting to know why.
Interesting article on COVID vaccinations in the US. I had missed that the Biden Administration had set 70% of the adult population having had at least one shot as being a major milestone on the road to normalcy. The UK must already be there?
Yes, the UK is over 70% of adults (over 18) vaccinated at least once.
In some of the US figures they are using over 16 as the definition, since they are vaccinating down to 16.
Has anybody ever got to the bottom of where Drakeford is getting his magic extra doses, as there is no evidence any of the other nations sit on supply (certainly not now, there was some early on as different nations had slightly different approaches e.g. Scotland doing care homes first).
A cave deep underneath the Black Mountains, populated by giant, vaccine-secreting slugs.
But you have to be druid to know how to harvest it.
Good article on the Lab Leak hypothesis, and how everyone is quietly pretending they believed it all along. They didn’t
‘At the start of the pandemic, prestige US media outlets were quick to dismiss the hypothesis as a Dangerous Republican Lie. “The claim is inaccurate and ridiculous. We rate it pants on fire,” ruled the Pointer Institute’s notionally nonpartisan, Pulitzer Prize winning fact-checking operation, Politifact, on the lab leak hypothesis. The Washington Post accused Senator Tom Cotton of spreading “conspiracy theories” for wanting to investigate the theory. NPR enthusiastically “debunked” the claim.’
‘Articles are edited, tweets are deleted, excuses are readied and yet there is little evidence of any soul searching. Because they know they’ll get away with it.’
You are right to push on this. The evidence for a lab leak is v strong.
I’ve said all along: it came from the lab
Apparently sane posters on here snootily dismissed this as nonsense. A ‘conspiracy theory’. Trumpite Fake Truth. I could dig up their comments but I’ll spare their blushes
Anyone who actually sits down and thinks about this properly, a novel bat coronavirus emerging in a city with the world’s only lab researching novel bat coronavirus, quickly realises it probably came from the lab. It takes a strange kind of closed, frightened mind to reject this thesis.
Even that drunken idiot SeanT, ex of this manor, realised it came from the lab, FFS
That article majors against the idea that the virus was genetically engineered, perhaps deliberately, by the Chinese.
But that’s not the central claim of the “lab leak” hypothesis.
I agree.
The problem is that if you were to expect an outbreak of a natural bat virus from the Wuhan area, it would be in Wuhan anyway. So how would you know which route it took?
You'd need to do a very detailed phylogenetic analysis of the RNA sequence and plug in known isolates and what the lab was working on.
Good article on the Lab Leak hypothesis, and how everyone is quietly pretending they believed it all along. They didn’t
‘At the start of the pandemic, prestige US media outlets were quick to dismiss the hypothesis as a Dangerous Republican Lie. “The claim is inaccurate and ridiculous. We rate it pants on fire,” ruled the Pointer Institute’s notionally nonpartisan, Pulitzer Prize winning fact-checking operation, Politifact, on the lab leak hypothesis. The Washington Post accused Senator Tom Cotton of spreading “conspiracy theories” for wanting to investigate the theory. NPR enthusiastically “debunked” the claim.’
‘Articles are edited, tweets are deleted, excuses are readied and yet there is little evidence of any soul searching. Because they know they’ll get away with it.’
You are right to push on this. The evidence for a lab leak is v strong.
I’ve said all along: it came from the lab
Apparently sane posters on here snootily dismissed this as nonsense. A ‘conspiracy theory’. Trumpite Fake Truth. I could dig up their comments but I’ll spare their blushes
Anyone who actually sits down and thinks about this properly, a novel bat coronavirus emerging in a city with the world’s only lab researching novel bat coronavirus, quickly realises it probably came from the lab. It takes a strange kind of closed, frightened mind to reject this thesis.
Even that drunken idiot SeanT, ex of this manor, realised it came from the lab, FFS
That article majors against the idea that the virus was genetically engineered, perhaps deliberately, by the Chinese.
But that’s not the central claim of the “lab leak” hypothesis.
I agree.
The problem is that if you were to expect an outbreak of a natural bat virus from the Wuhan area, it would be in Wuhan anyway. So how would you know which route it took?
You'd need to do a very detailed phylogenetic analysis of the RNA sequence and plug in known isolates and what the lab was working on.
Good job the Chinese are so open and honest then .......
The continuing rise of the FDP is of note as is the fact a Green-SPD-FDP coalition commands a majority and might so even better if Linke drop below the 5% threshold.
On topic - Is it now a patriotic duty of anti-fascist Republicans to stand candidates in the 2022 midterms with the aim of preventing a GOP majority that would suspend democracy in 2024?
Would they be able to raise enough money to make a go of it?
FPT...about "lab leak" theory....one thing that is still lacking, which had been found in shorter time for SARS1 and MERS, the animal vectors which it passed through. It is still all in the realms of maybe bats to a pangolin, maybe, could be, etc. SAR and MERs they had the data by now to show that transition.
You would have thought the Chinese would be really keen on finding this link ASAP to shut down any talk of it being a lab leak and say see it was just one of those things that happened in nature.
Incidentally I see that Dr Antony Fauci of the CDC has changed his mind, after dismissing the lab leak theory for a year. Suddenly it’s totes plausible
‘Fauci 'not convinced' COVID-19 developed naturally Fauci’s recent remarks show an evolution in the doctor's beliefs on coronavirus origins over the past year’
The continuing rise of the FDP is of note as is the fact a Green-SPD-FDP coalition commands a majority and might so even better if Linke drop below the 5% threshold.
Die Linke getting less than 5% and therefore removed from the German parliament would be one of the best things that could happen at the election IMO.
It's clear from reading the blizzard of commentary from the American conservative moment they are a tad vexed about the events of last November.
Many still bleat on about a "steal" and continue to allege fraud on an industrial scale which makes our worries about a few postal votes seem entirely spurious.
The Republicans have identified a problem with mail-in ballots - the problem is most people who use mail-in ballots don't vote Republican. Others may not see that as a problem.
The Republican solution to an unsubstantiated fraud is to create a legal fraud via the deliberate disenfranchising of opposition voters.
That's the problem with democracy - it's fragile and all too easy to manipulate or subvert whether via legal restriction or money or influence or whatever. The other side of the problem is if one side sees legal subversion to its advantage is the answer, so inevitably will the other.
FPT...about "lab leak" theory....one thing that is still lacking, which had been found in shorter time for SARS1 and MERS, the animal vectors which it passed through. It is still all in the realms of maybe bats to a pangolin, maybe, could be, etc. SAR and MERs they had the data by now to show that transition.
You would have thought the Chinese would be really keen on finding this link ASAP to shut down any talk of it being a lab leak and say see it was just one of those things that happened in nature.
A good graphic here. Three routes to infection. Two via the lab
Note - these are guidelines only, not laws, and they can be ignored, but they are still ridiculous guidelines and appear to be the result of a personal domestic dispute involving a senior official. Which is pretty outrageous.
I’ve signed the petition and I would be grateful if others could too.
On topic, please let them try and change the electoral system. Whatever they put forward, the result would almost certainly be one person, one vote, and then they would be totally screwed without radical change.
Although if AOC continues to behave like a tinpot fascist with a massive ego, I don’t know where the Dems are headed either. But hopefully she will never hold power within them.
‘[in the NYT] Wade points out that the “consensus” that Covid must have an entirely natural origin was established by two early pronouncements, one in The Lancet in February 2020 and the other in Nature Medicine in March 2020. These were op-eds, not scientific papers. Both spoke with certainty about matters which it was impossible to be certain about. Wade writes: “It later turned out that the Lancet letter had been organized and drafted by Peter Daszak, president of the EcoHealth Alliance of New York. Dr Daszak’s organisation funded coronavirus research at the Wuhan Institute of Virology. If the SARS2 virus had indeed escaped from research he funded, Dr. Daszak would be potentially culpable. This acute conflict of interest was not declared to the Lancet’s readers. To the contrary, the letter concluded, “We declare no competing interests.”’
The Lancet has been poisonous throughout this crisis. A devalued journal
‘[in the NYT] Wade points out that the “consensus” that Covid must have an entirely natural origin was established by two early pronouncements, one in The Lancet in February 2020 and the other in Nature Medicine in March 2020. These were op-eds, not scientific papers. Both spoke with certainty about matters which it was impossible to be certain about. Wade writes: “It later turned out that the Lancet letter had been organized and drafted by Peter Daszak, president of the EcoHealth Alliance of New York. Dr Daszak’s organisation funded coronavirus research at the Wuhan Institute of Virology. If the SARS2 virus had indeed escaped from research he funded, Dr. Daszak would be potentially culpable. This acute conflict of interest was not declared to the Lancet’s readers. To the contrary, the letter concluded, “We declare no competing interests.”’
The Lancet has been poisonous throughout this crisis. A devalued journal
I presume you watched the recent unherd episode on this...although their guest is some what controversial these days because of a recent book about race.
People scoff, as we do overreact, but this seems a real fear. They crossed the line awhile back, this is not just them leaning a thumb on the scale, its them wanting to be rid of the scales.
Scottish Indians hit out at Nicola Sturgeon yesterday after she renamed a strain of Covid-19 over fears it would lead to prejudice. They said the First Minister’s decision to start referring to the Indian variant of the killer bug as “April-02” was “silly”.
The Indian Council of Scotland accused Sturgeon of “playing to the galleries”. Neil Lal, president of the group which represents Scotland’s 33,000 Indians, said: “I’ve not heard from one Indian who has voiced any concern over a Covid strain being called the Indian variant. Not one.
‘[in the NYT] Wade points out that the “consensus” that Covid must have an entirely natural origin was established by two early pronouncements, one in The Lancet in February 2020 and the other in Nature Medicine in March 2020. These were op-eds, not scientific papers. Both spoke with certainty about matters which it was impossible to be certain about. Wade writes: “It later turned out that the Lancet letter had been organized and drafted by Peter Daszak, president of the EcoHealth Alliance of New York. Dr Daszak’s organisation funded coronavirus research at the Wuhan Institute of Virology. If the SARS2 virus had indeed escaped from research he funded, Dr. Daszak would be potentially culpable. This acute conflict of interest was not declared to the Lancet’s readers. To the contrary, the letter concluded, “We declare no competing interests.”’
The Lancet has been poisonous throughout this crisis. A devalued journal
The Lancet seems to have been particularly unlucky/badly-run for some time. Weren't they the people who published the MMR-autism rubbish? At what stage do reputable authors start to avoid it?
‘[in the NYT] Wade points out that the “consensus” that Covid must have an entirely natural origin was established by two early pronouncements, one in The Lancet in February 2020 and the other in Nature Medicine in March 2020. These were op-eds, not scientific papers. Both spoke with certainty about matters which it was impossible to be certain about. Wade writes: “It later turned out that the Lancet letter had been organized and drafted by Peter Daszak, president of the EcoHealth Alliance of New York. Dr Daszak’s organisation funded coronavirus research at the Wuhan Institute of Virology. If the SARS2 virus had indeed escaped from research he funded, Dr. Daszak would be potentially culpable. This acute conflict of interest was not declared to the Lancet’s readers. To the contrary, the letter concluded, “We declare no competing interests.”’
The Lancet has been poisonous throughout this crisis. A devalued journal
"Millions 'unwittingly tracked' by phone after vaccination to see if movements changed A report revealed that data from one in ten peoples' phones were tracked in February"
‘[in the NYT] Wade points out that the “consensus” that Covid must have an entirely natural origin was established by two early pronouncements, one in The Lancet in February 2020 and the other in Nature Medicine in March 2020. These were op-eds, not scientific papers. Both spoke with certainty about matters which it was impossible to be certain about. Wade writes: “It later turned out that the Lancet letter had been organized and drafted by Peter Daszak, president of the EcoHealth Alliance of New York. Dr Daszak’s organisation funded coronavirus research at the Wuhan Institute of Virology. If the SARS2 virus had indeed escaped from research he funded, Dr. Daszak would be potentially culpable. This acute conflict of interest was not declared to the Lancet’s readers. To the contrary, the letter concluded, “We declare no competing interests.”’
The Lancet has been poisonous throughout this crisis. A devalued journal
The Lancet seems to have been particularly unlucky/badly-run for some time. Weren't they the people who published the MMR-autism rubbish? At what stage do reputable authors start to avoid it?
How the editor is still in place over this whole period is mind boggling....I notice Horton has gone rather quiet these days though, where as this time last year he was never off the telly.
"Millions 'unwittingly tracked' by phone after vaccination to see if movements changed A report revealed that data from one in ten peoples' phones were tracked in February"
On topic - Is it now a patriotic duty of anti-fascist Republicans to stand candidates in the 2022 midterms with the aim of preventing a GOP majority that would suspend democracy in 2024?
Would they be able to raise enough money to make a go of it?
Not the most favourable of maps for a Republican net gain of 1 in the Senate, which would also be required (otherwise the VP will just take power instead).
They’re in with a chance in Georgia, Arizona and Colorado, but Pennsylvania and North Carolina will both be under pressure and Florida is one where the Dems have at least a shout if a Trumpite stands against Rubio.
‘[in the NYT] Wade points out that the “consensus” that Covid must have an entirely natural origin was established by two early pronouncements, one in The Lancet in February 2020 and the other in Nature Medicine in March 2020. These were op-eds, not scientific papers. Both spoke with certainty about matters which it was impossible to be certain about. Wade writes: “It later turned out that the Lancet letter had been organized and drafted by Peter Daszak, president of the EcoHealth Alliance of New York. Dr Daszak’s organisation funded coronavirus research at the Wuhan Institute of Virology. If the SARS2 virus had indeed escaped from research he funded, Dr. Daszak would be potentially culpable. This acute conflict of interest was not declared to the Lancet’s readers. To the contrary, the letter concluded, “We declare no competing interests.”’
The Lancet has been poisonous throughout this crisis. A devalued journal
The Lancet seems to have been particularly unlucky/badly-run for some time. Weren't they the people who published the MMR-autism rubbish? At what stage do reputable authors start to avoid it?
Now, I’d say. That’s an incredibly damaging revelation there. They lied. About the origins of a pandemic which has killed millions.
‘[in the NYT] Wade points out that the “consensus” that Covid must have an entirely natural origin was established by two early pronouncements, one in The Lancet in February 2020 and the other in Nature Medicine in March 2020. These were op-eds, not scientific papers. Both spoke with certainty about matters which it was impossible to be certain about. Wade writes: “It later turned out that the Lancet letter had been organized and drafted by Peter Daszak, president of the EcoHealth Alliance of New York. Dr Daszak’s organisation funded coronavirus research at the Wuhan Institute of Virology. If the SARS2 virus had indeed escaped from research he funded, Dr. Daszak would be potentially culpable. This acute conflict of interest was not declared to the Lancet’s readers. To the contrary, the letter concluded, “We declare no competing interests.”’
The Lancet has been poisonous throughout this crisis. A devalued journal
The Lancet seems to have been particularly unlucky/badly-run for some time. Weren't they the people who published the MMR-autism rubbish? At what stage do reputable authors start to avoid it?
Now, I’d say. That’s an incredibly damaging revelation there. They lied. About the origins of a pandemic which has killed millions.
The stick I got a year or so ago for asking if an article in The Lancet had been published by a reliable source...
‘[in the NYT] Wade points out that the “consensus” that Covid must have an entirely natural origin was established by two early pronouncements, one in The Lancet in February 2020 and the other in Nature Medicine in March 2020. These were op-eds, not scientific papers. Both spoke with certainty about matters which it was impossible to be certain about. Wade writes: “It later turned out that the Lancet letter had been organized and drafted by Peter Daszak, president of the EcoHealth Alliance of New York. Dr Daszak’s organisation funded coronavirus research at the Wuhan Institute of Virology. If the SARS2 virus had indeed escaped from research he funded, Dr. Daszak would be potentially culpable. This acute conflict of interest was not declared to the Lancet’s readers. To the contrary, the letter concluded, “We declare no competing interests.”’
The Lancet has been poisonous throughout this crisis. A devalued journal
The Lancet seems to have been particularly unlucky/badly-run for some time. Weren't they the people who published the MMR-autism rubbish? At what stage do reputable authors start to avoid it?
Now, I’d say. That’s an incredibly damaging revelation there. They lied. About the origins of a pandemic which has killed millions.
In the interests of accuracy - they lied about the links somebody had to a lab which was implicated by some unconfirmed sources as a possible source of the outbreak.
Which isn’t good, but isn’t as bad as what you are saying.
This situation with Belarus seems like it should be a really big deal. Didn't the Americans start a war in 1812 with some belligerent adversary that was pulling similar stunts at sea?
What really strikes me about the poll is the shortage of people who actually put democracy first before their preferred political outcomes.
I think Brexit is terrible. I disapprove of the Tory government. But it would never cross my mind to deny their right to win majorities, and I've always thought most people on the centre-right agree - and in Britain, I think they do. But in the US, about a quarter of the electorate are willing to put up with anything to get their way.
‘[in the NYT] Wade points out that the “consensus” that Covid must have an entirely natural origin was established by two early pronouncements, one in The Lancet in February 2020 and the other in Nature Medicine in March 2020. These were op-eds, not scientific papers. Both spoke with certainty about matters which it was impossible to be certain about. Wade writes: “It later turned out that the Lancet letter had been organized and drafted by Peter Daszak, president of the EcoHealth Alliance of New York. Dr Daszak’s organisation funded coronavirus research at the Wuhan Institute of Virology. If the SARS2 virus had indeed escaped from research he funded, Dr. Daszak would be potentially culpable. This acute conflict of interest was not declared to the Lancet’s readers. To the contrary, the letter concluded, “We declare no competing interests.”’
The Lancet has been poisonous throughout this crisis. A devalued journal
The Lancet seems to have been particularly unlucky/badly-run for some time. Weren't they the people who published the MMR-autism rubbish? At what stage do reputable authors start to avoid it?
Now, I’d say. That’s an incredibly damaging revelation there. They lied. About the origins of a pandemic which has killed millions.
In the interests of accuracy - they lied about the links somebody had to a lab which was implicated by some unconfirmed sources as a possible source of the outbreak.
Which isn’t good, but isn’t as bad as what you are saying.
Actually, what they did was WORSE than my initial suggestion
The virus probably came from the lab. So a guy that funds coronavirus research at the lab, in his panic, sent a deceptive letter to the Lancet, hoping to close down all investigation of the lab, and divert attention. And for a year he was successful, only now does it all crumble
This isn't some small conspiracy either. This is an attempt to hide the truth about the greatest human crisis since World War 2. This is jailtime territory.
‘[in the NYT] Wade points out that the “consensus” that Covid must have an entirely natural origin was established by two early pronouncements, one in The Lancet in February 2020 and the other in Nature Medicine in March 2020. These were op-eds, not scientific papers. Both spoke with certainty about matters which it was impossible to be certain about. Wade writes: “It later turned out that the Lancet letter had been organized and drafted by Peter Daszak, president of the EcoHealth Alliance of New York. Dr Daszak’s organisation funded coronavirus research at the Wuhan Institute of Virology. If the SARS2 virus had indeed escaped from research he funded, Dr. Daszak would be potentially culpable. This acute conflict of interest was not declared to the Lancet’s readers. To the contrary, the letter concluded, “We declare no competing interests.”’
The Lancet has been poisonous throughout this crisis. A devalued journal
The Lancet seems to have been particularly unlucky/badly-run for some time. Weren't they the people who published the MMR-autism rubbish? At what stage do reputable authors start to avoid it?
Now, I’d say. That’s an incredibly damaging revelation there. They lied. About the origins of a pandemic which has killed millions.
The stick I got a year or so ago for asking if an article in The Lancet had been published by a reliable source...
They also published the glowing endorsement of the Russian Sputnik V vaccine didn't they?
That seems to have been completely dismissed by anyone independent who has reviewed the vaccine.
Has there ever been a more boring race than today's Monaco Grand Prix
They are all boring... overtakingi.is so infrequent that if you start in the lead you are well.placed to win.. almost like speedway..źźźzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
‘[in the NYT] Wade points out that the “consensus” that Covid must have an entirely natural origin was established by two early pronouncements, one in The Lancet in February 2020 and the other in Nature Medicine in March 2020. These were op-eds, not scientific papers. Both spoke with certainty about matters which it was impossible to be certain about. Wade writes: “It later turned out that the Lancet letter had been organized and drafted by Peter Daszak, president of the EcoHealth Alliance of New York. Dr Daszak’s organisation funded coronavirus research at the Wuhan Institute of Virology. If the SARS2 virus had indeed escaped from research he funded, Dr. Daszak would be potentially culpable. This acute conflict of interest was not declared to the Lancet’s readers. To the contrary, the letter concluded, “We declare no competing interests.”’
The Lancet has been poisonous throughout this crisis. A devalued journal
The Lancet seems to have been particularly unlucky/badly-run for some time. Weren't they the people who published the MMR-autism rubbish? At what stage do reputable authors start to avoid it?
Now, I’d say. That’s an incredibly damaging revelation there. They lied. About the origins of a pandemic which has killed millions.
In the interests of accuracy - they lied about the links somebody had to a lab which was implicated by some unconfirmed sources as a possible source of the outbreak.
Which isn’t good, but isn’t as bad as what you are saying.
Actually, what they did was WORSE than my initial suggestion
The virus probably came from the lab. So a guy that funds coronavirus research at the lab, in his panic, sent a deceptive letter to the Lancet, hoping to close down all investigation of the lab, and divert attention. And for a year he was successful, only now does it all crumble
This isn't some small conspiracy either. This is an attempt to hide the truth about the greatest human crisis since World War 2. This is jailtime territory.
You’ve started early. Flint knapping business a bit slow?
On topic, I've been saying the US is going to have a democracy problem to my more politically minded friends since the votes on the election result. The Republicans have already crossed a line and as far as I can see there's no real incentive for them to step back from that line unless it becomes clear that they're unelectable (at the congressional level) while they have an undemocratic position.
If the Republicans have both houses of Congress at the next election, but lose the presidential election I think there's a very real chance that the result is overturned. At this point, why wouldn't they?
Similarly, I think there's going to be a lot more scope for Republican anti-democratic behaviour at state level as officials who didn't back the electoral fraud theories are primaried out.
‘[in the NYT] Wade points out that the “consensus” that Covid must have an entirely natural origin was established by two early pronouncements, one in The Lancet in February 2020 and the other in Nature Medicine in March 2020. These were op-eds, not scientific papers. Both spoke with certainty about matters which it was impossible to be certain about. Wade writes: “It later turned out that the Lancet letter had been organized and drafted by Peter Daszak, president of the EcoHealth Alliance of New York. Dr Daszak’s organisation funded coronavirus research at the Wuhan Institute of Virology. If the SARS2 virus had indeed escaped from research he funded, Dr. Daszak would be potentially culpable. This acute conflict of interest was not declared to the Lancet’s readers. To the contrary, the letter concluded, “We declare no competing interests.”’
The Lancet has been poisonous throughout this crisis. A devalued journal
The Lancet seems to have been particularly unlucky/badly-run for some time. Weren't they the people who published the MMR-autism rubbish? At what stage do reputable authors start to avoid it?
How the editor is still in place over this whole period is mind boggling....I notice Horton has gone rather quiet these days though, where as this time last year he was never off the telly.
I wonder if there’ll be an updated version released of this
What really strikes me about the poll is the shortage of people who actually put democracy first before their preferred political outcomes.
I think Brexit is terrible. I disapprove of the Tory government. But it would never cross my mind to deny their right to win majorities, and I've always thought most people on the centre-right agree - and in Britain, I think they do. But in the US, about a quarter of the electorate are willing to put up with anything to get their way.
Yeah, but the Left "does the same", in America
I don't think you grasp how intense the Woke agenda is, in the USA, and how it is being forced on a lot of unhappy people. The right think the Left is trying to destroy the country and remake it in a Woke style. A kind of cultural coup is underaway, and whites, Republicans and "patriots" are the target
If you believe there is a coup against your democracy, then democracy can go hang, for a while. First you need to fight and WIN
I'm not justifying this stance, of course, but I think this explains the poll above
‘[in the NYT] Wade points out that the “consensus” that Covid must have an entirely natural origin was established by two early pronouncements, one in The Lancet in February 2020 and the other in Nature Medicine in March 2020. These were op-eds, not scientific papers. Both spoke with certainty about matters which it was impossible to be certain about. Wade writes: “It later turned out that the Lancet letter had been organized and drafted by Peter Daszak, president of the EcoHealth Alliance of New York. Dr Daszak’s organisation funded coronavirus research at the Wuhan Institute of Virology. If the SARS2 virus had indeed escaped from research he funded, Dr. Daszak would be potentially culpable. This acute conflict of interest was not declared to the Lancet’s readers. To the contrary, the letter concluded, “We declare no competing interests.”’
The Lancet has been poisonous throughout this crisis. A devalued journal
The Lancet seems to have been particularly unlucky/badly-run for some time. Weren't they the people who published the MMR-autism rubbish? At what stage do reputable authors start to avoid it?
Now, I’d say. That’s an incredibly damaging revelation there. They lied. About the origins of a pandemic which has killed millions.
In the interests of accuracy - they lied about the links somebody had to a lab which was implicated by some unconfirmed sources as a possible source of the outbreak.
Which isn’t good, but isn’t as bad as what you are saying.
Actually, what they did was WORSE than my initial suggestion
The virus probably came from the lab. So a guy that funds coronavirus research at the lab, in his panic, sent a deceptive letter to the Lancet, hoping to close down all investigation of the lab, and divert attention. And for a year he was successful, only now does it all crumble
This isn't some small conspiracy either. This is an attempt to hide the truth about the greatest human crisis since World War 2. This is jailtime territory.
You’ve started early. Flint knapping business a bit slow?
Yawn. Please point out any factual errors in my remark
Do you not think people should be held responsible for the plague, if there is evidence? We hold people responsible for nasty tweets. Facilitating the death of 10m people is worse than a nasty tweet
What really strikes me about the poll is the shortage of people who actually put democracy first before their preferred political outcomes.
I think Brexit is terrible. I disapprove of the Tory government. But it would never cross my mind to deny their right to win majorities, and I've always thought most people on the centre-right agree - and in Britain, I think they do. But in the US, about a quarter of the electorate are willing to put up with anything to get their way.
Seems all the stuff about a shining beacon of democracy to the world is no longer the case. Large numbers of Americans don't want to live in a democracy.
‘[in the NYT] Wade points out that the “consensus” that Covid must have an entirely natural origin was established by two early pronouncements, one in The Lancet in February 2020 and the other in Nature Medicine in March 2020. These were op-eds, not scientific papers. Both spoke with certainty about matters which it was impossible to be certain about. Wade writes: “It later turned out that the Lancet letter had been organized and drafted by Peter Daszak, president of the EcoHealth Alliance of New York. Dr Daszak’s organisation funded coronavirus research at the Wuhan Institute of Virology. If the SARS2 virus had indeed escaped from research he funded, Dr. Daszak would be potentially culpable. This acute conflict of interest was not declared to the Lancet’s readers. To the contrary, the letter concluded, “We declare no competing interests.”’
The Lancet has been poisonous throughout this crisis. A devalued journal
The Lancet seems to have been particularly unlucky/badly-run for some time. Weren't they the people who published the MMR-autism rubbish? At what stage do reputable authors start to avoid it?
Now, I’d say. That’s an incredibly damaging revelation there. They lied. About the origins of a pandemic which has killed millions.
In the interests of accuracy - they lied about the links somebody had to a lab which was implicated by some unconfirmed sources as a possible source of the outbreak.
Which isn’t good, but isn’t as bad as what you are saying.
Actually, what they did was WORSE than my initial suggestion
The virus probably came from the lab. So a guy that funds coronavirus research at the lab, in his panic, sent a deceptive letter to the Lancet, hoping to close down all investigation of the lab, and divert attention. And for a year he was successful, only now does it all crumble
This isn't some small conspiracy either. This is an attempt to hide the truth about the greatest human crisis since World War 2. This is jailtime territory.
You’ve started early. Flint knapping business a bit slow?
Yawn. Please point out any factual errors in my remark
Do you not think people should be held responsible for the plague, if there is evidence? We hold people responsible for nasty tweets. Facilitating the death of 10m people is worse than a nasty tweet
Is it actually established now it came from a lab or is it just a theory that is now gathering momentum. FWIW I agree with you about the lancet.
What really strikes me about the poll is the shortage of people who actually put democracy first before their preferred political outcomes.
I think Brexit is terrible. I disapprove of the Tory government. But it would never cross my mind to deny their right to win majorities, and I've always thought most people on the centre-right agree - and in Britain, I think they do. But in the US, about a quarter of the electorate are willing to put up with anything to get their way.
Yeah, but the Left "does the same", in America
I don't think you grasp how intense the Woke agenda is, in the USA, and how it is being forced on a lot of unhappy people. The right think the Left is trying to destroy the country and remake it in a Woke style. A kind of cultural coup is underaway, and whites, Republicans and "patriots" are the target
If you believe there is a coup against your democracy, then democracy can go hang, for a while. First you need to fight and WIN
I'm not justifying this stance, of course, but I think this explains the poll above
There’s a lot of incentive for commentators on the right to 'big up' the woke threat in order to justify undermining democracy in the US. From the outside it seems that without rampant gerry mandering & voter suppression, the Republican Party in it’s current form would have no chance of victory in any national election - it’s only through a continuous campaign of fear & loathing targetting their own supporters that they can justify these anti-democratic policies.
‘[in the NYT] Wade points out that the “consensus” that Covid must have an entirely natural origin was established by two early pronouncements, one in The Lancet in February 2020 and the other in Nature Medicine in March 2020. These were op-eds, not scientific papers. Both spoke with certainty about matters which it was impossible to be certain about. Wade writes: “It later turned out that the Lancet letter had been organized and drafted by Peter Daszak, president of the EcoHealth Alliance of New York. Dr Daszak’s organisation funded coronavirus research at the Wuhan Institute of Virology. If the SARS2 virus had indeed escaped from research he funded, Dr. Daszak would be potentially culpable. This acute conflict of interest was not declared to the Lancet’s readers. To the contrary, the letter concluded, “We declare no competing interests.”’
The Lancet has been poisonous throughout this crisis. A devalued journal
The Lancet seems to have been particularly unlucky/badly-run for some time. Weren't they the people who published the MMR-autism rubbish? At what stage do reputable authors start to avoid it?
Now, I’d say. That’s an incredibly damaging revelation there. They lied. About the origins of a pandemic which has killed millions.
In the interests of accuracy - they lied about the links somebody had to a lab which was implicated by some unconfirmed sources as a possible source of the outbreak.
Which isn’t good, but isn’t as bad as what you are saying.
Actually, what they did was WORSE than my initial suggestion
The virus probably came from the lab. So a guy that funds coronavirus research at the lab, in his panic, sent a deceptive letter to the Lancet, hoping to close down all investigation of the lab, and divert attention. And for a year he was successful, only now does it all crumble
This isn't some small conspiracy either. This is an attempt to hide the truth about the greatest human crisis since World War 2. This is jailtime territory.
You’ve started early. Flint knapping business a bit slow?
Yawn. Please point out any factual errors in my remark
Do you not think people should be held responsible for the plague, if there is evidence? We hold people responsible for nasty tweets. Facilitating the death of 10m people is worse than a nasty tweet
Is it actually established now it came from a lab or is it just a theory that is now gathering momentum. FWIW I agree with you about the lancet.
Not established. But growing in probability by the day
This is a verrrrry long but very compelling analysis
This guy Daszak, who funded the lab, seems like a nice chap
"One can only imagine Daszak’s reaction when he heard of the outbreak of the epidemic in Wuhan a few days later. He would have known better than anyone the Wuhan Institute’s goal of making bat coronaviruses infectious to humans, as well as the weaknesses in the institute’s defense against their own researchers becoming infected.
"But instead of providing public health authorities with the plentiful information at his disposal, he immediately launched a public relations campaign to persuade the world that the epidemic couldn’t possibly have been caused by one of the institute’s souped-up viruses. “The idea that this virus escaped from a lab is just pure baloney. It’s simply not true,” he declared in an April 2020 interview."
‘[in the NYT] Wade points out that the “consensus” that Covid must have an entirely natural origin was established by two early pronouncements, one in The Lancet in February 2020 and the other in Nature Medicine in March 2020. These were op-eds, not scientific papers. Both spoke with certainty about matters which it was impossible to be certain about. Wade writes: “It later turned out that the Lancet letter had been organized and drafted by Peter Daszak, president of the EcoHealth Alliance of New York. Dr Daszak’s organisation funded coronavirus research at the Wuhan Institute of Virology. If the SARS2 virus had indeed escaped from research he funded, Dr. Daszak would be potentially culpable. This acute conflict of interest was not declared to the Lancet’s readers. To the contrary, the letter concluded, “We declare no competing interests.”’
The Lancet has been poisonous throughout this crisis. A devalued journal
The Lancet seems to have been particularly unlucky/badly-run for some time. Weren't they the people who published the MMR-autism rubbish? At what stage do reputable authors start to avoid it?
Now, I’d say. That’s an incredibly damaging revelation there. They lied. About the origins of a pandemic which has killed millions.
In the interests of accuracy - they lied about the links somebody had to a lab which was implicated by some unconfirmed sources as a possible source of the outbreak.
Which isn’t good, but isn’t as bad as what you are saying.
Actually, what they did was WORSE than my initial suggestion
The virus probably came from the lab. So a guy that funds coronavirus research at the lab, in his panic, sent a deceptive letter to the Lancet, hoping to close down all investigation of the lab, and divert attention. And for a year he was successful, only now does it all crumble
This isn't some small conspiracy either. This is an attempt to hide the truth about the greatest human crisis since World War 2. This is jailtime territory.
You’ve started early. Flint knapping business a bit slow?
Yawn. Please point out any factual errors in my remark
Do you not think people should be held responsible for the plague, if there is evidence? We hold people responsible for nasty tweets. Facilitating the death of 10m people is worse than a nasty tweet
Is it actually established now it came from a lab or is it just a theory that is now gathering momentum. FWIW I agree with you about the lancet.
Not established. But growing in probability by the day
This is a verrrrry long but very compelling analysis
This guy Daszak, who funded the lab, seems like a nice chap
"One can only imagine Daszak’s reaction when he heard of the outbreak of the epidemic in Wuhan a few days later. He would have known better than anyone the Wuhan Institute’s goal of making bat coronaviruses infectious to humans, as well as the weaknesses in the institute’s defense against their own researchers becoming infected.
"But instead of providing public health authorities with the plentiful information at his disposal, he immediately launched a public relations campaign to persuade the world that the epidemic couldn’t possibly have been caused by one of the institute’s souped-up viruses. “The idea that this virus escaped from a lab is just pure baloney. It’s simply not true,” he declared in an April 2020 interview."
Seems awfully suspicious it just happened to appear in a city with a lab dedicated to research into exactly this kind of coronavirus. What did Garak say about coincidences again?
‘[in the NYT] Wade points out that the “consensus” that Covid must have an entirely natural origin was established by two early pronouncements, one in The Lancet in February 2020 and the other in Nature Medicine in March 2020. These were op-eds, not scientific papers. Both spoke with certainty about matters which it was impossible to be certain about. Wade writes: “It later turned out that the Lancet letter had been organized and drafted by Peter Daszak, president of the EcoHealth Alliance of New York. Dr Daszak’s organisation funded coronavirus research at the Wuhan Institute of Virology. If the SARS2 virus had indeed escaped from research he funded, Dr. Daszak would be potentially culpable. This acute conflict of interest was not declared to the Lancet’s readers. To the contrary, the letter concluded, “We declare no competing interests.”’
The Lancet has been poisonous throughout this crisis. A devalued journal
The Lancet seems to have been particularly unlucky/badly-run for some time. Weren't they the people who published the MMR-autism rubbish? At what stage do reputable authors start to avoid it?
Now, I’d say. That’s an incredibly damaging revelation there. They lied. About the origins of a pandemic which has killed millions.
In the interests of accuracy - they lied about the links somebody had to a lab which was implicated by some unconfirmed sources as a possible source of the outbreak.
Which isn’t good, but isn’t as bad as what you are saying.
Actually, what they did was WORSE than my initial suggestion
The virus probably came from the lab. So a guy that funds coronavirus research at the lab, in his panic, sent a deceptive letter to the Lancet, hoping to close down all investigation of the lab, and divert attention. And for a year he was successful, only now does it all crumble
This isn't some small conspiracy either. This is an attempt to hide the truth about the greatest human crisis since World War 2. This is jailtime territory.
You’ve started early. Flint knapping business a bit slow?
Yawn. Please point out any factual errors in my remark
Do you not think people should be held responsible for the plague, if there is evidence? We hold people responsible for nasty tweets. Facilitating the death of 10m people is worse than a nasty tweet
That is one of the least surprising poll responses that I’ve ever seen. It’s been years, if not decades in the making. Meanwhile, I see that there are still people trying make this about the left/centre- left. Ultimate both sideism out in force today.
I understand why this would dishearten TSE, but as someone who should be a natural GOP voter but who can't vote for this shower, I take a certain amount of optimism from this. It means that the Trumpists will self-destruct sooner rather than later. People are seeing straight through voter suppression tactics and I think they will result in the opposite - greater energy to turn out those voters targeted by the suppression.
The US has a long history of intermittent vote rigging, gerrymandering and vote suppression . In recent history (post WW2) suppression was I think mainly favoured by Southern Democrats but more recently the Republicans whilst rigging was more associated with the Democrats (JFK, Chicago etc.). I doubt there is any large scale rigging in recent elections, but memories linger on. Culturally they also have a more hard-ball approach to all conflicts in terms of stretching rules and laws as far as is possible. Luckily the other pillars of their democracy have so far kept a lid on these tendencies.
That is one of the least surprising poll responses that I’ve ever seen. It’s been years, if not decades in the making. Meanwhile, I see that there are still people trying make this about the left/centre- left. Ultimate both sideism out in force today.
Yet it is both sides.
Now we can say whether one side is worse than another.
But the gerrymandering etc does take place from both sides.
What I would say the GOP certainly has a problem with is its lack of ideas and the fundamental problem that having supported a reduction of tax and regulations on the rich and big business (plus an over-eagerness to engage in warmongering) it now struggles to reconcile that with the voters it has.
On topic, the problem in the US is that politicians at various levels are allowed to micromanage the process of elections. So we see state governors controlling numbers of polling stations, ID requirements accompanied by making it difficult to get ID, and the straightforward gerrymandering of districts.
The U.K. should be thankful for the electoral commission and boundary commission - even those the former has skirted the line of impartiality in recent years, ask Darren Grimes.
‘[in the NYT] Wade points out that the “consensus” that Covid must have an entirely natural origin was established by two early pronouncements, one in The Lancet in February 2020 and the other in Nature Medicine in March 2020. These were op-eds, not scientific papers. Both spoke with certainty about matters which it was impossible to be certain about. Wade writes: “It later turned out that the Lancet letter had been organized and drafted by Peter Daszak, president of the EcoHealth Alliance of New York. Dr Daszak’s organisation funded coronavirus research at the Wuhan Institute of Virology. If the SARS2 virus had indeed escaped from research he funded, Dr. Daszak would be potentially culpable. This acute conflict of interest was not declared to the Lancet’s readers. To the contrary, the letter concluded, “We declare no competing interests.”’
The Lancet has been poisonous throughout this crisis. A devalued journal
The Lancet seems to have been particularly unlucky/badly-run for some time. Weren't they the people who published the MMR-autism rubbish? At what stage do reputable authors start to avoid it?
Now, I’d say. That’s an incredibly damaging revelation there. They lied. About the origins of a pandemic which has killed millions.
In the interests of accuracy - they lied about the links somebody had to a lab which was implicated by some unconfirmed sources as a possible source of the outbreak.
Which isn’t good, but isn’t as bad as what you are saying.
Actually, what they did was WORSE than my initial suggestion
The virus probably came from the lab. So a guy that funds coronavirus research at the lab, in his panic, sent a deceptive letter to the Lancet, hoping to close down all investigation of the lab, and divert attention. And for a year he was successful, only now does it all crumble
This isn't some small conspiracy either. This is an attempt to hide the truth about the greatest human crisis since World War 2. This is jailtime territory.
You’ve started early. Flint knapping business a bit slow?
Yawn. Please point out any factual errors in my remark
Do you not think people should be held responsible for the plague, if there is evidence? We hold people responsible for nasty tweets. Facilitating the death of 10m people is worse than a nasty tweet
Is it actually established now it came from a lab or is it just a theory that is now gathering momentum. FWIW I agree with you about the lancet.
Not established. But growing in probability by the day
This is a verrrrry long but very compelling analysis
This guy Daszak, who funded the lab, seems like a nice chap
"One can only imagine Daszak’s reaction when he heard of the outbreak of the epidemic in Wuhan a few days later. He would have known better than anyone the Wuhan Institute’s goal of making bat coronaviruses infectious to humans, as well as the weaknesses in the institute’s defense against their own researchers becoming infected.
"But instead of providing public health authorities with the plentiful information at his disposal, he immediately launched a public relations campaign to persuade the world that the epidemic couldn’t possibly have been caused by one of the institute’s souped-up viruses. “The idea that this virus escaped from a lab is just pure baloney. It’s simply not true,” he declared in an April 2020 interview."
Thanks for posting this, Leon. The Bulletin is a very serious publication, and knows its stuff when it comes to arms control, dual-use capabilities, and risk management.
‘[in the NYT] Wade points out that the “consensus” that Covid must have an entirely natural origin was established by two early pronouncements, one in The Lancet in February 2020 and the other in Nature Medicine in March 2020. These were op-eds, not scientific papers. Both spoke with certainty about matters which it was impossible to be certain about. Wade writes: “It later turned out that the Lancet letter had been organized and drafted by Peter Daszak, president of the EcoHealth Alliance of New York. Dr Daszak’s organisation funded coronavirus research at the Wuhan Institute of Virology. If the SARS2 virus had indeed escaped from research he funded, Dr. Daszak would be potentially culpable. This acute conflict of interest was not declared to the Lancet’s readers. To the contrary, the letter concluded, “We declare no competing interests.”’
The Lancet has been poisonous throughout this crisis. A devalued journal
The Lancet seems to have been particularly unlucky/badly-run for some time. Weren't they the people who published the MMR-autism rubbish? At what stage do reputable authors start to avoid it?
Now, I’d say. That’s an incredibly damaging revelation there. They lied. About the origins of a pandemic which has killed millions.
In the interests of accuracy - they lied about the links somebody had to a lab which was implicated by some unconfirmed sources as a possible source of the outbreak.
Which isn’t good, but isn’t as bad as what you are saying.
Actually, what they did was WORSE than my initial suggestion
The virus probably came from the lab. So a guy that funds coronavirus research at the lab, in his panic, sent a deceptive letter to the Lancet, hoping to close down all investigation of the lab, and divert attention. And for a year he was successful, only now does it all crumble
This isn't some small conspiracy either. This is an attempt to hide the truth about the greatest human crisis since World War 2. This is jailtime territory.
You’ve started early. Flint knapping business a bit slow?
Yawn. Please point out any factual errors in my remark
Do you not think people should be held responsible for the plague, if there is evidence? We hold people responsible for nasty tweets. Facilitating the death of 10m people is worse than a nasty tweet
There isn't. You're just talking as if there is.
Isn't what?
Read that long article linked below
"The bat coronaviruses of the Yunnan caves can infect people directly. In April 2012 six miners clearing bat guano from the Mojiang mine contracted severe pneumonia with COVID-19-like symptoms and three eventually died. A virus isolated from the Mojiang mine, called RaTG13, is still the closest known relative of SARS2.
"Much mystery surrounds the origin, reporting and strangely low affinity of RaTG13 for bat cells, as well as the nature of 8 similar viruses that Shi [the chief scientist at Wuhan], reports she collected at the same time but has not yet published despite their great relevance to the ancestry of SARS2. But all that is a story for another time. The point here is that bat viruses can infect people directly, though only in special conditions.
"So who else, besides miners excavating bat guano, comes into particularly close contact with bat coronaviruses? Well, coronavirus researchers do. Shi says she and her group collected more than 1,300 bat samples during some eight visits to the Mojiang cave between 2012 and 2015, and there were doubtless many expeditions to other Yunnan caves."
Also this:
"Steven Quay, a physician-researcher, has applied statistical and bioinformatic tools to ingenious explorations of the virus’s origin, showing for instance how the hospitals receiving the early patients are clustered along the Wuhan №2 subway line which connects the Institute of Virology at one end with the international airport at the other, the perfect conveyor belt for distributing the virus from lab to globe."
His conclusion:
"People round the world who have been pretty much confined to their homes for the last year might like a better answer than their media are giving them. Perhaps one will emerge in time. After all, the more months pass without the natural emergence theory gaining a shred of supporting evidence, the less plausible it may seem. Perhaps the international community of virologists will come to be seen as a false and self-interested guide.
"The common sense perception that a pandemic breaking out in Wuhan might have something to do with a Wuhan lab cooking up novel viruses of maximal danger in unsafe conditions could eventually displace the ideological insistence that whatever Trump said can’t be true.
On topic, the problem in the US is that politicians at various levels are allowed to micromanage the process of elections. So we see state governors controlling numbers of polling stations, ID requirements accompanied by making it difficult to get ID, and the straightforward gerrymandering of districts.
The U.K. should be thankful for the electoral commission and boundary commission - even those the former has skirted the line of impartiality in recent years, ask Darren Grimes.
Although I "liked" that as I agree with you, the problem is the culture now in America too.
If they had an "impartial" electoral commission like us then both sides would be seeking to stuff the electoral commission with their own partisans.
It would be like Grimes but on steroids - and the problem then is once you've stuffed with your own lackeys it can be hard for the other side to reverse that. See: SCOTUS.
What really strikes me about the poll is the shortage of people who actually put democracy first before their preferred political outcomes.
I think Brexit is terrible. I disapprove of the Tory government. But it would never cross my mind to deny their right to win majorities, and I've always thought most people on the centre-right agree - and in Britain, I think they do. But in the US, about a quarter of the electorate are willing to put up with anything to get their way.
Yeah, but the Left "does the same", in America
I don't think you grasp how intense the Woke agenda is, in the USA, and how it is being forced on a lot of unhappy people. The right think the Left is trying to destroy the country and remake it in a Woke style. A kind of cultural coup is underaway, and whites, Republicans and "patriots" are the target
If you believe there is a coup against your democracy, then democracy can go hang, for a while. First you need to fight and WIN
I'm not justifying this stance, of course, but I think this explains the poll above
There’s a lot of incentive for commentators on the right to 'big up' the woke threat in order to justify undermining democracy in the US. From the outside it seems that without rampant gerry mandering & voter suppression, the Republican Party in it’s current form would have no chance of victory in any national election - it’s only through a continuous campaign of fear & loathing targetting their own supporters that they can justify these anti-democratic policies.
The Left AND the Right in America are engaged in an insane Arms Race of Stupidity. One minute the Left does something crazy and Woke which will only provoke Republicans, a minute later the Republicans are duly provoked, and they do something crazy, in response.
I really fear for the country. So polarised. Social media must take a lot of the blame
The solution is a moderate Republican president. To calm the Right, but make peace with the Left. Doesn't seem likely
On topic, the problem in the US is that politicians at various levels are allowed to micromanage the process of elections. So we see state governors controlling numbers of polling stations, ID requirements accompanied by making it difficult to get ID, and the straightforward gerrymandering of districts.
The U.K. should be thankful for the electoral commission and boundary commission - even those the former has skirted the line of impartiality in recent years, ask Darren Grimes.
Although I "liked" that as I agree with you, the problem is the culture now in America too.
If they had an "impartial" electoral commission like us then both sides would be seeking to stuff the electoral commission with their own partisans.
It would be like Grimes but on steroids - and the problem then is once you've stuffed with your own lackeys it can be hard for the other side to reverse that. See: SCOTUS.
Require an 80% quorum of the Senate to start any session for appointing members to the commission, and a supermajority of 75% to approve any nominees.
What we know so far: KGB operatives boarded the plane in Athens this morning together with Roman Protasevich (he noticed dodgy-looking ppl taking pics of him at the gate). Then when the plane has entered Belarus airspace KGB officers initiated a fight with the Ryanair crew (1/2)
insisting there’s an IED onboard. Eventually the crew was forced to send out SOS (literally moments before the plane would've left Belarus airspace). MiG-29 took off and escorted it to Minsk. Security services entered the plane and arrested Protasevich. (2/2)
‘[in the NYT] Wade points out that the “consensus” that Covid must have an entirely natural origin was established by two early pronouncements, one in The Lancet in February 2020 and the other in Nature Medicine in March 2020. These were op-eds, not scientific papers. Both spoke with certainty about matters which it was impossible to be certain about. Wade writes: “It later turned out that the Lancet letter had been organized and drafted by Peter Daszak, president of the EcoHealth Alliance of New York. Dr Daszak’s organisation funded coronavirus research at the Wuhan Institute of Virology. If the SARS2 virus had indeed escaped from research he funded, Dr. Daszak would be potentially culpable. This acute conflict of interest was not declared to the Lancet’s readers. To the contrary, the letter concluded, “We declare no competing interests.”’
The Lancet has been poisonous throughout this crisis. A devalued journal
The Lancet seems to have been particularly unlucky/badly-run for some time. Weren't they the people who published the MMR-autism rubbish? At what stage do reputable authors start to avoid it?
Now, I’d say. That’s an incredibly damaging revelation there. They lied. About the origins of a pandemic which has killed millions.
In the interests of accuracy - they lied about the links somebody had to a lab which was implicated by some unconfirmed sources as a possible source of the outbreak.
Which isn’t good, but isn’t as bad as what you are saying.
Actually, what they did was WORSE than my initial suggestion
The virus probably came from the lab. So a guy that funds coronavirus research at the lab, in his panic, sent a deceptive letter to the Lancet, hoping to close down all investigation of the lab, and divert attention. And for a year he was successful, only now does it all crumble
This isn't some small conspiracy either. This is an attempt to hide the truth about the greatest human crisis since World War 2. This is jailtime territory.
You’ve started early. Flint knapping business a bit slow?
Yawn. Please point out any factual errors in my remark
Do you not think people should be held responsible for the plague, if there is evidence? We hold people responsible for nasty tweets. Facilitating the death of 10m people is worse than a nasty tweet
Is it actually established now it came from a lab or is it just a theory that is now gathering momentum. FWIW I agree with you about the lancet.
Not established. But growing in probability by the day
This is a verrrrry long but very compelling analysis
This guy Daszak, who funded the lab, seems like a nice chap
"One can only imagine Daszak’s reaction when he heard of the outbreak of the epidemic in Wuhan a few days later. He would have known better than anyone the Wuhan Institute’s goal of making bat coronaviruses infectious to humans, as well as the weaknesses in the institute’s defense against their own researchers becoming infected.
"But instead of providing public health authorities with the plentiful information at his disposal, he immediately launched a public relations campaign to persuade the world that the epidemic couldn’t possibly have been caused by one of the institute’s souped-up viruses. “The idea that this virus escaped from a lab is just pure baloney. It’s simply not true,” he declared in an April 2020 interview."
Thanks for posting this, Leon. The Bulletin is a very serious publication, and knows its stuff when it comes to arms control, dual-use capabilities, and risk management.
Weren't you one of the idiots who dismissed the lab leak theory? I believe so. Unless I am confusing the Tims
The reason it runs in the Bulletin is because of the enforced and absurd virological consensus that "it has a natural origin" - so mainstream medical journals, which have been pushing the wet market bullshit for a year, cannot suddenly and easily volte face, by publishing this.
I suppose he could have tried to get it in The Lancet?
Anyway the Consensus of Stupid, including you, has now been blown out of the water. Good
On topic, the problem in the US is that politicians at various levels are allowed to micromanage the process of elections. So we see state governors controlling numbers of polling stations, ID requirements accompanied by making it difficult to get ID, and the straightforward gerrymandering of districts.
The U.K. should be thankful for the electoral commission and boundary commission - even those the former has skirted the line of impartiality in recent years, ask Darren Grimes.
Although I "liked" that as I agree with you, the problem is the culture now in America too.
If they had an "impartial" electoral commission like us then both sides would be seeking to stuff the electoral commission with their own partisans.
It would be like Grimes but on steroids - and the problem then is once you've stuffed with your own lackeys it can be hard for the other side to reverse that. See: SCOTUS.
Require an 80% quorum of the Senate to start any session for appointing members to the commission, and a supermajority of 75% to approve any nominees.
Then when a vacancy would arise whichever party had control would atrophy the commission and refuse to agree to any nominees.
Ultimately "systems" alone aren't enough to do the job, if people don't want the system to work they will find a way.
"The bat coronaviruses of the Yunnan caves can infect people directly. In April 2012 six miners clearing bat guano from the Mojiang mine contracted severe pneumonia with COVID-19-like symptoms and three eventually died. A virus isolated from the Mojiang mine, called RaTG13, is still the closest known relative of SARS2.
"Much mystery surrounds the origin, reporting and strangely low affinity of RaTG13 for bat cells, as well as the nature of 8 similar viruses that Shi [the chief scientist at Wuhan], reports she collected at the same time but has not yet published despite their great relevance to the ancestry of SARS2. But all that is a story for another time. The point here is that bat viruses can infect people directly, though only in special conditions.
"So who else, besides miners excavating bat guano, comes into particularly close contact with bat coronaviruses? Well, coronavirus researchers do. Shi says she and her group collected more than 1,300 bat samples during some eight visits to the Mojiang cave between 2012 and 2015, and there were doubtless many expeditions to other Yunnan caves."
Also this:
"Steven Quay, a physician-researcher, has applied statistical and bioinformatic tools to ingenious explorations of the virus’s origin, showing for instance how the hospitals receiving the early patients are clustered along the Wuhan №2 subway line which connects the Institute of Virology at one end with the international airport at the other, the perfect conveyor belt for distributing the virus from lab to globe."
His conclusion:
"People round the world who have been pretty much confined to their homes for the last year might like a better answer than their media are giving them. Perhaps one will emerge in time. After all, the more months pass without the natural emergence theory gaining a shred of supporting evidence, the less plausible it may seem. Perhaps the international community of virologists will come to be seen as a false and self-interested guide.
"The common sense perception that a pandemic breaking out in Wuhan might have something to do with a Wuhan lab cooking up novel viruses of maximal danger in unsafe conditions could eventually displace the ideological insistence that whatever Trump said can’t be true.
On topic, the problem in the US is that politicians at various levels are allowed to micromanage the process of elections. So we see state governors controlling numbers of polling stations, ID requirements accompanied by making it difficult to get ID, and the straightforward gerrymandering of districts.
The U.K. should be thankful for the electoral commission and boundary commission - even those the former has skirted the line of impartiality in recent years, ask Darren Grimes.
Although I "liked" that as I agree with you, the problem is the culture now in America too.
If they had an "impartial" electoral commission like us then both sides would be seeking to stuff the electoral commission with their own partisans.
It would be like Grimes but on steroids - and the problem then is once you've stuffed with your own lackeys it can be hard for the other side to reverse that. See: SCOTUS.
Require an 80% quorum of the Senate to start any session for appointing members to the commission, and a supermajority of 75% to approve any nominees.
But they can overturn all their own rules and standing orders with a simple vote in most cases.
The reality is, that there probably needs to be a constitutional amendment upon this stuff, to restore any semblance of normality to US politics.
On topic, the problem in the US is that politicians at various levels are allowed to micromanage the process of elections. So we see state governors controlling numbers of polling stations, ID requirements accompanied by making it difficult to get ID, and the straightforward gerrymandering of districts.
The U.K. should be thankful for the electoral commission and boundary commission - even those the former has skirted the line of impartiality in recent years, ask Darren Grimes.
Although I "liked" that as I agree with you, the problem is the culture now in America too.
If they had an "impartial" electoral commission like us then both sides would be seeking to stuff the electoral commission with their own partisans.
It would be like Grimes but on steroids - and the problem then is once you've stuffed with your own lackeys it can be hard for the other side to reverse that. See: SCOTUS.
Require an 80% quorum of the Senate to start any session for appointing members to the commission, and a supermajority of 75% to approve any nominees.
But they can overturn all their own rules and standing orders with a simple vote in most cases.
The reality is, that there probably needs to be a constitutional amendment upon this stuff, to restore any semblance of normality to US politics.
I was thinking the same thing - a constitutional amendment. But that aint gonna happen
On topic I can believe anything from a country that has long ago ceased to have any more than a veneer of democracy. Of course the GOP want to pull up the drawbridge - the idea of having to win votes from *them* is repulsive.
Sadly this is what happens when politicians stop trying to do what is right and instead just go mining for votes in the deepest cesspit because being in power is patriotism as the opposition are traitors.
What really strikes me about the poll is the shortage of people who actually put democracy first before their preferred political outcomes.
I think Brexit is terrible. I disapprove of the Tory government. But it would never cross my mind to deny their right to win majorities, and I've always thought most people on the centre-right agree - and in Britain, I think they do. But in the US, about a quarter of the electorate are willing to put up with anything to get their way.
Yeah, but the Left "does the same", in America
I don't think you grasp how intense the Woke agenda is, in the USA, and how it is being forced on a lot of unhappy people. The right think the Left is trying to destroy the country and remake it in a Woke style. A kind of cultural coup is underaway, and whites, Republicans and "patriots" are the target
If you believe there is a coup against your democracy, then democracy can go hang, for a while. First you need to fight and WIN
I'm not justifying this stance, of course, but I think this explains the poll above
There’s a lot of incentive for commentators on the right to 'big up' the woke threat in order to justify undermining democracy in the US. From the outside it seems that without rampant gerry mandering & voter suppression, the Republican Party in it’s current form would have no chance of victory in any national election - it’s only through a continuous campaign of fear & loathing targetting their own supporters that they can justify these anti-democratic policies.
The Left AND the Right in America are engaged in an insane Arms Race of Stupidity. One minute the Left does something crazy and Woke which will only provoke Republicans, a minute later the Republicans are duly provoked, and they do something crazy, in response.
I really fear for the country. So polarised. Social media must take a lot of the blame
The solution is a moderate Republican president. To calm the Right, but make peace with the Left. Doesn't seem likely
The problem being that 'moderate' Republicans pander to the rich and big business.
In many ways Trump, while being deranged and corrupt, was more moderate than the traditional GOP.
On topic, the problem in the US is that politicians at various levels are allowed to micromanage the process of elections. So we see state governors controlling numbers of polling stations, ID requirements accompanied by making it difficult to get ID, and the straightforward gerrymandering of districts.
The U.K. should be thankful for the electoral commission and boundary commission - even those the former has skirted the line of impartiality in recent years, ask Darren Grimes.
The problem was, that in the founding of the US, they attempted to redress the issue of hierarchy and inherited position by making lots of the positions elected. Much of this was pre-Constitutional.
For example, in the UK, the local courts and elections were run by the Squireachy. As was local law enforcement.
So, in the US, they had elected judges and sherifs instead.
Has there ever been a more boring race than today's Monaco Grand Prix
Has there been an exciting monaco grand prix in recent history? The track just makes it impossible for much to happen.
The one year a car ended up in the harbour was quite an event
I did think you might have been thinking of James Garner's car in the film Grand Prix, although a quick Google suggests Alberto Ascari went in in 1956, four days before he died in an unrelated event.
On topic, the problem in the US is that politicians at various levels are allowed to micromanage the process of elections. So we see state governors controlling numbers of polling stations, ID requirements accompanied by making it difficult to get ID, and the straightforward gerrymandering of districts.
The U.K. should be thankful for the electoral commission and boundary commission - even those the former has skirted the line of impartiality in recent years, ask Darren Grimes.
Although I "liked" that as I agree with you, the problem is the culture now in America too.
If they had an "impartial" electoral commission like us then both sides would be seeking to stuff the electoral commission with their own partisans.
It would be like Grimes but on steroids - and the problem then is once you've stuffed with your own lackeys it can be hard for the other side to reverse that. See: SCOTUS.
Require an 80% quorum of the Senate to start any session for appointing members to the commission, and a supermajority of 75% to approve any nominees.
But they can overturn all their own rules and standing orders with a simple vote in most cases.
The reality is, that there probably needs to be a constitutional amendment upon this stuff, to restore any semblance of normality to US politics.
I was at the International Conference of the Red Cross - the meeting of all the national committees, the ICRC, and all the States Parties to the Geneva Conventions, back win 1987 when, by simple majority, the conference overturned a rule that required a super majority to change. They did so by using a simple majority to overturn the rule about the requirement for a super majority.
Has there ever been a more boring race than today's Monaco Grand Prix
Has there been an exciting monaco grand prix in recent history? The track just makes it impossible for much to happen.
The one year a car ended up in the harbour was quite an event
I did think you might have been thinking of James Garner's car in the film Grand Prix, although a quick Google suggests Alberto Ascari went in in 1956, four days before he died in an unrelated event.
MiG-29 of the Belarusian Air Force has returned to the airbase in Baranovichi after successfully intercepting Ryanair Athens-Vilnius flight and forcing it to land in Minsk. The plane with 171 passengers on board still hasn't been released.
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Ah.
But you have to be druid to know how to harvest it.
The problem is that if you were to expect an outbreak of a natural bat virus from the Wuhan area, it would be in Wuhan anyway. So how would you know which route it took?
You'd need to do a very detailed phylogenetic analysis of the RNA sequence and plug in known isolates and what the lab was working on.
Can't be bothered watching any more, going for a walk instead.
Nick Cannon ‘expecting seventh child, having had four within six months with three different women’
https://metro.co.uk/2021/05/22/nick-cannon-expecting-seventh-child-having-had-four-within-six-months-14628472
https://twitter.com/campbellclaret/status/1396341098155552768
LOL - what a tossser
I'm sure someone has mentioned the latest INSA poll from Germany:
CDU/CSU-EPP: 24% (-1)
GRÜNE-G/EFA: 23% (-1)
SPD-S&D: 17% (+1)
FDP-RE: 13% (+2)
AfD-ID: 12%
LINKE-LEFT: 6% (-1)
The continuing rise of the FDP is of note as is the fact a Green-SPD-FDP coalition commands a majority and might so even better if Linke drop below the 5% threshold.
Would they be able to raise enough money to make a go of it?
You would have thought the Chinese would be really keen on finding this link ASAP to shut down any talk of it being a lab leak and say see it was just one of those things that happened in nature.
The first case was not at the wet market
Incidentally I see that Dr Antony Fauci of the CDC has changed his mind, after dismissing the lab leak theory for a year. Suddenly it’s totes plausible
‘Fauci 'not convinced' COVID-19 developed naturally
Fauci’s recent remarks show an evolution in the doctor's beliefs on coronavirus origins over the past year’
How strange
https://twitter.com/foxnews/status/1396446141449973763?s=21
Many still bleat on about a "steal" and continue to allege fraud on an industrial scale which makes our worries about a few postal votes seem entirely spurious.
The Republicans have identified a problem with mail-in ballots - the problem is most people who use mail-in ballots don't vote Republican. Others may not see that as a problem.
The Republican solution to an unsubstantiated fraud is to create a legal fraud via the deliberate disenfranchising of opposition voters.
That's the problem with democracy - it's fragile and all too easy to manipulate or subvert whether via legal restriction or money or influence or whatever. The other side of the problem is if one side sees legal subversion to its advantage is the answer, so inevitably will the other.
Petition against the bizarre decision to attempt to tighten rules around amateur singing as everything else is relaxed:
https://petition.parliament.uk/signatures/112779362/signed
Note - these are guidelines only, not laws, and they can be ignored, but they are still ridiculous guidelines and appear to be the result of a personal domestic dispute involving a senior official. Which is pretty outrageous.
I’ve signed the petition and I would be grateful if others could too.
Although if AOC continues to behave like a tinpot fascist with a massive ego, I don’t know where the Dems are headed either. But hopefully she will never hold power within them.
Like this:
‘[in the NYT] Wade points out that the “consensus” that Covid must have an entirely natural origin was established by two early pronouncements, one in The Lancet in February 2020 and the other in Nature Medicine in March 2020. These were op-eds, not scientific papers. Both spoke with certainty about matters which it was impossible to be certain about. Wade writes: “It later turned out that the Lancet letter had been organized and drafted by Peter Daszak, president of the EcoHealth Alliance of New York. Dr Daszak’s organisation funded coronavirus research at the Wuhan Institute of Virology. If the SARS2 virus had indeed escaped from research he funded, Dr. Daszak would be potentially culpable. This acute conflict of interest was not declared to the Lancet’s readers. To the contrary, the letter concluded, “We declare no competing interests.”’
The Lancet has been poisonous throughout this crisis. A devalued journal
https://twitter.com/rogerpielkejr/status/1396460393157980169?s=21
These muppets need to be flogged in public.
"Millions 'unwittingly tracked' by phone after vaccination to see if movements changed
A report revealed that data from one in ten peoples' phones were tracked in February"
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2021/05/22/millions-unwittingly-tracked-phone-vaccination-see-movements/
They’re in with a chance in Georgia, Arizona and Colorado, but Pennsylvania and North Carolina will both be under pressure and Florida is one where the Dems have at least a shout if a Trumpite stands against Rubio.
Tragedy in Northern Italy as cable car plunges to the ground killing 12
Which isn’t good, but isn’t as bad as what you are saying.
BBC News - Covid: Restaurants get creative in bid to plug staff shortage
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-57218978
I think Brexit is terrible. I disapprove of the Tory government. But it would never cross my mind to deny their right to win majorities, and I've always thought most people on the centre-right agree - and in Britain, I think they do. But in the US, about a quarter of the electorate are willing to put up with anything to get their way.
The virus probably came from the lab. So a guy that funds coronavirus research at the lab, in his panic, sent a deceptive letter to the Lancet, hoping to close down all investigation of the lab, and divert attention. And for a year he was successful, only now does it all crumble
This isn't some small conspiracy either. This is an attempt to hide the truth about the greatest human crisis since World War 2. This is jailtime territory.
That seems to have been completely dismissed by anyone independent who has reviewed the vaccine.
But.
No Safety Car. Again!
(Not even a VSC either!)
The lone highlight of an otherwise wasted couple of hours...
If the Republicans have both houses of Congress at the next election, but lose the presidential election I think there's a very real chance that the result is overturned. At this point, why wouldn't they?
Similarly, I think there's going to be a lot more scope for Republican anti-democratic behaviour at state level as officials who didn't back the electoral fraud theories are primaried out.
I wonder if there’ll be an updated version released of this
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-01839-y
I don't think you grasp how intense the Woke agenda is, in the USA, and how it is being forced on a lot of unhappy people. The right think the Left is trying to destroy the country and remake it in a Woke style. A kind of cultural coup is underaway, and whites, Republicans and "patriots" are the target
If you believe there is a coup against your democracy, then democracy can go hang, for a while. First you need to fight and WIN
I'm not justifying this stance, of course, but I think this explains the poll above
God knows.
Let us hope the GOP turn away from this darkness before it is too late.
Do you not think people should be held responsible for the plague, if there is evidence? We hold people responsible for nasty tweets. Facilitating the death of 10m people is worse than a nasty tweet
Mr. Sandpit, aye, a good call. Likewise Mr. B on Sainz each way (think he went for both Ferrari drivers).
Putin and China are licking their lips.
This is a verrrrry long but very compelling analysis
https://thebulletin.org/2021/05/the-origin-of-covid-did-people-or-nature-open-pandoras-box-at-wuhan/
This guy Daszak, who funded the lab, seems like a nice chap
"One can only imagine Daszak’s reaction when he heard of the outbreak of the epidemic in Wuhan a few days later. He would have known better than anyone the Wuhan Institute’s goal of making bat coronaviruses infectious to humans, as well as the weaknesses in the institute’s defense against their own researchers becoming infected.
"But instead of providing public health authorities with the plentiful information at his disposal, he immediately launched a public relations campaign to persuade the world that the epidemic couldn’t possibly have been caused by one of the institute’s souped-up viruses. “The idea that this virus escaped from a lab is just pure baloney. It’s simply not true,” he declared in an April 2020 interview."
And don't get me started on India.
Now we can say whether one side is worse than another.
But the gerrymandering etc does take place from both sides.
What I would say the GOP certainly has a problem with is its lack of ideas and the fundamental problem that having supported a reduction of tax and regulations on the rich and big business (plus an over-eagerness to engage in warmongering) it now struggles to reconcile that with the voters it has.
The U.K. should be thankful for the electoral commission and boundary commission - even those the former has skirted the line of impartiality in recent years, ask Darren Grimes.
https://enormo-haddock.blogspot.com/2021/05/monaco-post-race-analysis-2021.html
Read that long article linked below
"The bat coronaviruses of the Yunnan caves can infect people directly. In April 2012 six miners clearing bat guano from the Mojiang mine contracted severe pneumonia with COVID-19-like symptoms and three eventually died. A virus isolated from the Mojiang mine, called RaTG13, is still the closest known relative of SARS2.
"Much mystery surrounds the origin, reporting and strangely low affinity of RaTG13 for bat cells, as well as the nature of 8 similar viruses that Shi [the chief scientist at Wuhan], reports she collected at the same time but has not yet published despite their great relevance to the ancestry of SARS2. But all that is a story for another time. The point here is that bat viruses can infect people directly, though only in special conditions.
"So who else, besides miners excavating bat guano, comes into particularly close contact with bat coronaviruses? Well, coronavirus researchers do. Shi says she and her group collected more than 1,300 bat samples during some eight visits to the Mojiang cave between 2012 and 2015, and there were doubtless many expeditions to other Yunnan caves."
Also this:
"Steven Quay, a physician-researcher, has applied statistical and bioinformatic tools to ingenious explorations of the virus’s origin, showing for instance how the hospitals receiving the early patients are clustered along the Wuhan №2 subway line which connects the Institute of Virology at one end with the international airport at the other, the perfect conveyor belt for distributing the virus from lab to globe."
His conclusion:
"People round the world who have been pretty much confined to their homes for the last year might like a better answer than their media are giving them. Perhaps one will emerge in time. After all, the more months pass without the natural emergence theory gaining a shred of supporting evidence, the less plausible it may seem. Perhaps the international community of virologists will come to be seen as a false and self-interested guide.
"The common sense perception that a pandemic breaking out in Wuhan might have something to do with a Wuhan lab cooking up novel viruses of maximal danger in unsafe conditions could eventually displace the ideological insistence that whatever Trump said can’t be true.
"And then let the reckoning begin."
If they had an "impartial" electoral commission like us then both sides would be seeking to stuff the electoral commission with their own partisans.
It would be like Grimes but on steroids - and the problem then is once you've stuffed with your own lackeys it can be hard for the other side to reverse that. See: SCOTUS.
I really fear for the country. So polarised. Social media must take a lot of the blame
The solution is a moderate Republican president. To calm the Right, but make peace with the Left. Doesn't seem likely
insisting there’s an IED onboard. Eventually the crew was forced to send out SOS (literally moments before the plane would've left Belarus airspace). MiG-29 took off and escorted it to Minsk. Security services entered the plane and arrested Protasevich. (2/2)
https://twitter.com/TadeuszGiczan/status/1396446650718117890?s=20
https://twitter.com/SteveRightNLeft/status/1396449618985168898?s=20
The reason it runs in the Bulletin is because of the enforced and absurd virological consensus that "it has a natural origin" - so mainstream medical journals, which have been pushing the wet market bullshit for a year, cannot suddenly and easily volte face, by publishing this.
I suppose he could have tried to get it in The Lancet?
Anyway the Consensus of Stupid, including you, has now been blown out of the water. Good
It looks increasingly likely that no more than a few thousand people will have to add to herd immunity the hard way.
Ultimately "systems" alone aren't enough to do the job, if people don't want the system to work they will find a way.
The reality is, that there probably needs to be a constitutional amendment upon this stuff, to restore any semblance of normality to US politics.
We will really know, Tuesday or Wednesday.
Sadly this is what happens when politicians stop trying to do what is right and instead just go mining for votes in the deepest cesspit because being in power is patriotism as the opposition are traitors.
In many ways Trump, while being deranged and corrupt, was more moderate than the traditional GOP.
When people started going on about the India virus there were 991 people in hospital, there's now 908.
That's a reduction of nearly 10%.
For example, in the UK, the local courts and elections were run by the Squireachy. As was local law enforcement.
So, in the US, they had elected judges and sherifs instead.
https://twitter.com/TadeuszGiczan/status/1396484882637983744?s=20