Italy's population density is probably closest to the UK's within large nations in Europe.
They dedicate 41.7% of land to agriculture and it generates 1.93% of GDP. We dedicated 71.7% of land to agriculture and it generated 0.61% of GDP.
What would be so wrong about going down the Italian route, freeing up countless hectares across the country, while tripling our domestic agricultural output? What is the downside?
Italian farming relies of quality of produce on highly productive land due to sunshine hours, rain and desirable end product with a huge and captive domestic audience.
We won't ever make the same agricultural and food products as Italy and it won't ever be worth the same GDP as what we produce. Additionally, the UK economy is significantly more diverse than Italy. We have huge tech, financial and pharma sectors that Italy could only hope to imitate. Italy has got GDP of $2tn and falling, the UK has got GDP of $3tn and rising. 0.79% of GDP for agriculture isn't necessarily a bad thing when you take into account the sheer size of the UK economy vs others that are being compared to.
I'm not fussed about Australian food imports, in fact I think that they will be a net benefit to the country and having been to Australia a few times the quality of their red meat is excellent, it's comparable to our own. I'm not sure you can make cross country comparisons on the agricultural economic contribution as those numbers are, IMO, fairly useless in isolation.
Indeed the UK's environment is not a competitive advantage that makes us well suited to agriculture, quite the opposite.
Which makes it so bizarre and twisted we waste 70% of land on it!
The Truss's leadership prospects are surely in tatters. The Tories would never risk her - an absolutely vilified character within Britain's rural communities. Truss the Farmer's Cuss she'll be known as.
Dunno about that. The Tory members in the SE couldn’t give a damn about the farmers.
Everyone knows that the "countryside" is to stop plebs building houses, not for things like "farming". Don't be ridiculous.
I'm beginning to think some people don't know what "food security" means.
How does banning perfectly safe, perfectly scientific, well tested hormone supplements aid our food security?
Especially considering that the hormone supplement ban was protectionist unscientific bullshit that the EU imposed on us, as UK farmers were using hormone supplements until the EU instituted its ban that the UK opposed at the time in the Council of Ministers?
Maybe the UK farmer should just go back to doing what they were before the EU started meddling, and thus improve our food security?
Not hormones, but actually having farming and fishing industries at all in the Isles of Great Britain and Ireland.
Yes we have an industry, it represents all of 0.61% of UK GDP while taking up 70% of UK land.
Being made to compete with the rest of the world would force the industry to improve and become more efficient and more productive, just as happened with New Zealand when they eliminated their trade barriers and subsidies.
An improved and more efficient agriculture industry would improve our security, wouldn't it?
You won’t be happy until we’re eating dog food
Why would we eat dog food?
Have you ever eaten Australian meat? Its excellent top quality.
Your xenophobia at imports is weird, especially while seeing 27 other nations getting free access to export their meat to us zero tariffs, zero quotas.
They have lower standards then we do. 'OLB' post on PT has examples. Or if you want an even better authority - the best let's be honest - there's Mark Drakeford. But it won't bother you and that's perfectly understandable. This whole thing is bespoke tailored to push all your buttons.
Free trade. Free free free. No quotas or tariffs. Deregulated mangy beef. Don't like it? So don't eat it then. Problem solved. Choice. The market pure and simple. And omg Australia. Red on the map. Trad Commonwealth. Five eyes. FAMILY.
7th Heaven in other words.
I rarely succeed in changing your view on anything but I sometimes like to try. Not here though. It'd be too close to the bone.
"Mangy beef"?
I used to live there you forget, I grew up downunder.
American food is shit, when you talk about shit food and you're talking about American deals you have a point. Australian meat is top nosh. Great quality.
Has anyone on this site ever gone to Australia, eaten beef there and thought "urgh this is mangy dog food shit"? Don't be ridiculous.
You’re clearly emotionally invested in this deal, given your Australian heritage.
Perhaps, just perhaps, you’re promoting a shit deal for your adopted country?
Why does agriculture take up so much land? Perhaps you need land to grow soy to feed to cows to turn into burgers? Think about how much more efficient things would be if we concrete over the farms and turn them into nice office parks full of people mining Britcoin which we then use to buy food grown by foreign wasters happy to be inefficient.
Yes, a sure way to a secure and prosperous future.
Yep, the UK dedicates 71.7% of land to agricultural use in order to generate 0.61% of UK GDP.
In contrast Sweden uses 6.5% of its land for agriculture to generate 1.44% of GDP.
Norway uses 2.7% of land to agricultural use in order to generate 1.93% of GDP.
I think their definition of agricultural land may be different. In theory all of northern Scandinavia could be designated as 'farmland' because it is used for reindeer grazing.
In any case, all that tells us is that Scandinavia is not heavily populated.
Can you name any heavily populated nation on the planet that so inefficiently wastes 71% of its land to generate below 1% of GDP?
Japan would probably be more comparable to the UK. They dedicated 12% of land to agriculture and they get 1.14% of GDP from agriculture.
Why is ours so inefficient compared to everyone else?
Question - when you say "agricultural land" do include hills and fells used for open sheep grazing?
I would assume yes. Though its comparing like for like, so any Italian or Japanese or other hills used for grazing would be included in their figures too.
The Truss's leadership prospects are surely in tatters. The Tories would never risk her - an absolutely vilified character within Britain's rural communities. Truss the Farmer's Cuss she'll be known as.
Dunno about that. The Tory members in the SE couldn’t give a damn about the farmers.
Everyone knows that the "countryside" is to stop plebs building houses, not for things like "farming". Don't be ridiculous.
I'm beginning to think some people don't know what "food security" means.
How does banning perfectly safe, perfectly scientific, well tested hormone supplements aid our food security?
Especially considering that the hormone supplement ban was protectionist unscientific bullshit that the EU imposed on us, as UK farmers were using hormone supplements until the EU instituted its ban that the UK opposed at the time in the Council of Ministers?
Maybe the UK farmer should just go back to doing what they were before the EU started meddling, and thus improve our food security?
Not hormones, but actually having farming and fishing industries at all in the Isles of Great Britain and Ireland.
Yes we have an industry, it represents all of 0.61% of UK GDP while taking up 70% of UK land.
Being made to compete with the rest of the world would force the industry to improve and become more efficient and more productive, just as happened with New Zealand when they eliminated their trade barriers and subsidies.
An improved and more efficient agriculture industry would improve our security, wouldn't it?
You won’t be happy until we’re eating dog food
Why would we eat dog food?
Have you ever eaten Australian meat? Its excellent top quality.
Your xenophobia at imports is weird, especially while seeing 27 other nations getting free access to export their meat to us zero tariffs, zero quotas.
They have lower standards then we do. 'OLB' post on PT has examples. Or if you want an even better authority - the best let's be honest - there's Mark Drakeford. But it won't bother you and that's perfectly understandable. This whole thing is bespoke tailored to push all your buttons.
Free trade. Free free free. No quotas or tariffs. Deregulated mangy beef. Don't like it? So don't eat it then. Problem solved. Choice. The market pure and simple. And omg Australia. Red on the map. Trad Commonwealth. Five eyes. FAMILY.
7th Heaven in other words.
I rarely succeed in changing your view on anything but I sometimes like to try. Not here though. It'd be too close to the bone.
"Mangy beef"?
I used to live there you forget, I grew up downunder.
American food is shit, when you talk about shit food and you're talking about American deals you have a point. Australian meat is top nosh. Great quality.
Has anyone on this site ever gone to Australia, eaten beef there and thought "urgh this is mangy dog food shit"? Don't be ridiculous.
As someone who has lived in the US and eats American cooking (as provided by the Wife) every day I beg to differ.
Fair point.
Kraft "cheese" and stuff like that probably doesn't do America's reputation much good. 😂
Like culture, the US exports the lowest common denominator, and keeps the good stuff for itself. Anyone who has been to New York City (or and of the large cities) and said "the food is shit here" probably spent whole trip in a hospital.
The same holds true for much of the US. It’s the bizarre which gets the publicly. Jello salad, anyone?
Why does agriculture take up so much land? Perhaps you need land to grow soy to feed to cows to turn into burgers? Think about how much more efficient things would be if we concrete over the farms and turn them into nice office parks full of people mining Britcoin which we then use to buy food grown by foreign wasters happy to be inefficient.
Yes, a sure way to a secure and prosperous future.
Yep, the UK dedicates 71.7% of land to agricultural use in order to generate 0.61% of UK GDP.
In contrast Sweden uses 6.5% of its land for agriculture to generate 1.44% of GDP.
Norway uses 2.7% of land to agricultural use in order to generate 1.93% of GDP.
I think their definition of agricultural land may be different. In theory all of northern Scandinavia could be designated as 'farmland' because it is used for reindeer grazing.
In any case, all that tells us is that Scandinavia is not heavily populated.
Can you name any heavily populated nation on the planet that so inefficiently wastes 71% of its land to generate below 1% of GDP?
Japan would probably be more comparable to the UK. They dedicated 12% of land to agriculture and they get 1.14% of GDP from agriculture.
Why is ours so inefficient compared to everyone else?
Question - when you say "agricultural land" do include hills and fells used for open sheep grazing?
I would assume yes. Though its comparing like for like, so any Italian or Japanese or other hills used for grazing would be included in their figures too.
I'm just wondering what more efficient use you are proposing for open moorland if grazing sheep is bad?
As the official nicknaming of the Variant Under Investigation found around Sheffield, may I humbly suggest God's Own Corone.
Sounds reasonable, since Sir Patrick Stewart has objected to the term Yorkshire Triple Mutant.
They're peddling fake cures for it already. I hear that some quacks in Leeds are suggesting injecting MDMA directly into the mouth as a preventative. They're calling it "E By Gum".
I suffer terrible life threatening asthma.....so i am going to go and sit in a metal tube for 12hrs to take me to a country with very high levels of a disaese that is particularly dangerous for those with pre-existing health conditions...and it soooooo unfair and danergous to my health to stay in a hotel for 10 days...but i am still going to travel despite all of this and then complain to the BBC that the government are evil bastards.
Italy's population density is probably closest to the UK's within large nations in Europe.
They dedicate 41.7% of land to agriculture and it generates 1.93% of GDP. We dedicated 71.7% of land to agriculture and it generated 0.61% of GDP.
What would be so wrong about going down the Italian route, freeing up countless hectares across the country, while tripling our domestic agricultural output? What is the downside?
There's a very good and well-developed "Buy British" market for organic meat reared domestically here in the UK.
Australia isn't a threat to that, IMHO. Home-grown vegan ideology is a far bigger one.
The Truss's leadership prospects are surely in tatters. The Tories would never risk her - an absolutely vilified character within Britain's rural communities. Truss the Farmer's Cuss she'll be known as.
Dunno about that. The Tory members in the SE couldn’t give a damn about the farmers.
Everyone knows that the "countryside" is to stop plebs building houses, not for things like "farming". Don't be ridiculous.
I'm beginning to think some people don't know what "food security" means.
How does banning perfectly safe, perfectly scientific, well tested hormone supplements aid our food security?
Especially considering that the hormone supplement ban was protectionist unscientific bullshit that the EU imposed on us, as UK farmers were using hormone supplements until the EU instituted its ban that the UK opposed at the time in the Council of Ministers?
Maybe the UK farmer should just go back to doing what they were before the EU started meddling, and thus improve our food security?
Not hormones, but actually having farming and fishing industries at all in the Isles of Great Britain and Ireland.
Yes we have an industry, it represents all of 0.61% of UK GDP while taking up 70% of UK land.
Being made to compete with the rest of the world would force the industry to improve and become more efficient and more productive, just as happened with New Zealand when they eliminated their trade barriers and subsidies.
An improved and more efficient agriculture industry would improve our security, wouldn't it?
You won’t be happy until we’re eating dog food
Why would we eat dog food?
Have you ever eaten Australian meat? Its excellent top quality.
Your xenophobia at imports is weird, especially while seeing 27 other nations getting free access to export their meat to us zero tariffs, zero quotas.
They have lower standards then we do. 'OLB' post on PT has examples. Or if you want an even better authority - the best let's be honest - there's Mark Drakeford. But it won't bother you and that's perfectly understandable. This whole thing is bespoke tailored to push all your buttons.
Free trade. Free free free. No quotas or tariffs. Deregulated mangy beef. Don't like it? So don't eat it then. Problem solved. Choice. The market pure and simple. And omg Australia. Red on the map. Trad Commonwealth. Five eyes. FAMILY.
7th Heaven in other words.
I rarely succeed in changing your view on anything but I sometimes like to try. Not here though. It'd be too close to the bone.
"Mangy beef"?
I used to live there you forget, I grew up downunder.
American food is shit, when you talk about shit food and you're talking about American deals you have a point. Australian meat is top nosh. Great quality.
Has anyone on this site ever gone to Australia, eaten beef there and thought "urgh this is mangy dog food shit"? Don't be ridiculous.
You’re clearly emotionally invested in this deal, given your Australian heritage.
Perhaps, just perhaps, you’re promoting a shit deal for your adopted country?
I have no Aussie heritage. I spent a few years there as a "POME Bastard" expat.
Why does agriculture take up so much land? Perhaps you need land to grow soy to feed to cows to turn into burgers? Think about how much more efficient things would be if we concrete over the farms and turn them into nice office parks full of people mining Britcoin which we then use to buy food grown by foreign wasters happy to be inefficient.
Yes, a sure way to a secure and prosperous future.
Yep, the UK dedicates 71.7% of land to agricultural use in order to generate 0.61% of UK GDP.
In contrast Sweden uses 6.5% of its land for agriculture to generate 1.44% of GDP.
Norway uses 2.7% of land to agricultural use in order to generate 1.93% of GDP.
I think their definition of agricultural land may be different. In theory all of northern Scandinavia could be designated as 'farmland' because it is used for reindeer grazing.
In any case, all that tells us is that Scandinavia is not heavily populated.
Can you name any heavily populated nation on the planet that so inefficiently wastes 71% of its land to generate below 1% of GDP?
Japan would probably be more comparable to the UK. They dedicated 12% of land to agriculture and they get 1.14% of GDP from agriculture.
Why is ours so inefficient compared to everyone else?
Question - when you say "agricultural land" do include hills and fells used for open sheep grazing?
I would assume yes. Though its comparing like for like, so any Italian or Japanese or other hills used for grazing would be included in their figures too.
I'm just wondering what more efficient use you are proposing for open moorland if grazing sheep is bad?
I'm not saying its bad, I'm saying it should either float or sink on its own.
As for other uses put it on the free market and see what people come up with. Could be used for more efficient agriculture, or housing, or industry, or retail or anything else. Let the market resolve it.
Why does agriculture take up so much land? Perhaps you need land to grow soy to feed to cows to turn into burgers? Think about how much more efficient things would be if we concrete over the farms and turn them into nice office parks full of people mining Britcoin which we then use to buy food grown by foreign wasters happy to be inefficient.
Yes, a sure way to a secure and prosperous future.
Yep, the UK dedicates 71.7% of land to agricultural use in order to generate 0.61% of UK GDP.
In contrast Sweden uses 6.5% of its land for agriculture to generate 1.44% of GDP.
Norway uses 2.7% of land to agricultural use in order to generate 1.93% of GDP.
I think their definition of agricultural land may be different. In theory all of northern Scandinavia could be designated as 'farmland' because it is used for reindeer grazing.
In any case, all that tells us is that Scandinavia is not heavily populated.
Can you name any heavily populated nation on the planet that so inefficiently wastes 71% of its land to generate below 1% of GDP?
Japan would probably be more comparable to the UK. They dedicated 12% of land to agriculture and they get 1.14% of GDP from agriculture.
Why is ours so inefficient compared to everyone else?
Question - when you say "agricultural land" do include hills and fells used for open sheep grazing?
Yes, but he doesn't realise he is doing it. He thinks an acre of Sutherland yields the same as an acre of rice paddy.
Italy's population density is probably closest to the UK's within large nations in Europe.
They dedicate 41.7% of land to agriculture and it generates 1.93% of GDP. We dedicated 71.7% of land to agriculture and it generated 0.61% of GDP.
What would be so wrong about going down the Italian route, freeing up countless hectares across the country, while tripling our domestic agricultural output? What is the downside?
Italian farming relies of quality of produce on highly productive land due to sunshine hours, rain and desirable end product with a huge and captive domestic audience.
We won't ever make the same agricultural and food products as Italy and it won't ever be worth the same GDP as what we produce. Additionally, the UK economy is significantly more diverse than Italy. We have huge tech, financial and pharma sectors that Italy could only hope to imitate. Italy has got GDP of $2tn and falling, the UK has got GDP of $3tn and rising. 0.79% of GDP for agriculture isn't necessarily a bad thing when you take into account the sheer size of the UK economy vs others that are being compared to.
I'm not fussed about Australian food imports, in fact I think that they will be a net benefit to the country and having been to Australia a few times the quality of their red meat is excellent, it's comparable to our own. I'm not sure you can make cross country comparisons on the agricultural economic contribution as those numbers are, IMO, fairly useless in isolation.
Indeed the UK's environment is not a competitive advantage that makes us well suited to agriculture, quite the opposite.
Which makes it so bizarre and twisted we waste 70% of land on it!
It makes us well suited to some kinds of agriculture and unsuited for others. We wouldn't bother with orange groves, for example and that cuts the UK out of a huge market. We wouldn't have Olive groves either, and that cuts the UK out of the most lucrative part of food oil where we rely on imports from Italy, Greece and Spain.
We can and should be a powerhouse of dairy and meat products though. The quality of British dairy is incredible and our meat, IMO, has few equals. So I'm more than happy to shift some land to housing or industrial use, definitely, but I also think that with the correct reforms UK agriculture has got huge scope for growth and export growth now that the market will dictate what UK growing conditions can sustain.
Italy's population density is probably closest to the UK's within large nations in Europe.
They dedicate 41.7% of land to agriculture and it generates 1.93% of GDP. We dedicated 71.7% of land to agriculture and it generated 0.61% of GDP.
What would be so wrong about going down the Italian route, freeing up countless hectares across the country, while tripling our domestic agricultural output? What is the downside?
Italian farming relies of quality of produce on highly productive land due to sunshine hours, rain and desirable end product with a huge and captive domestic audience.
We won't ever make the same agricultural and food products as Italy and it won't ever be worth the same GDP as what we produce. Additionally, the UK economy is significantly more diverse than Italy. We have huge tech, financial and pharma sectors that Italy could only hope to imitate. Italy has got GDP of $2tn and falling, the UK has got GDP of $3tn and rising. 0.79% of GDP for agriculture isn't necessarily a bad thing when you take into account the sheer size of the UK economy vs others that are being compared to.
I'm not fussed about Australian food imports, in fact I think that they will be a net benefit to the country and having been to Australia a few times the quality of their red meat is excellent, it's comparable to our own. I'm not sure you can make cross country comparisons on the agricultural economic contribution as those numbers are, IMO, fairly useless in isolation.
The UK, - England in particular has a large amount of land that is suitable for agriculture - Japan is mountainous in the middle, Sweden doesn't have the sunshine hours we do. But we don't have the sunshine of the Med so the land likely isn't as productive as areas further south. In addition we don't really have the intense farming of the USA and higher welfare standards than the EU with respect to pig farming. So it's massive land areas of middling agriculture. The farmers do tend to sell up if they can turn their fields of rape into fields of chimney pots too; that's a whole another argument though.
I fail to believe Brazilian meat, that is widely used in cheap products in the UK is superior to Australian meat. And of course we found out with horse meat scandal, places like Romania, who the f##k knows what you actually get....but it is in loads of processed food sold across Europe.
Italy's population density is probably closest to the UK's within large nations in Europe.
They dedicate 41.7% of land to agriculture and it generates 1.93% of GDP. We dedicated 71.7% of land to agriculture and it generated 0.61% of GDP.
What would be so wrong about going down the Italian route, freeing up countless hectares across the country, while tripling our domestic agricultural output? What is the downside?
Italian farming relies of quality of produce on highly productive land due to sunshine hours, rain and desirable end product with a huge and captive domestic audience.
We won't ever make the same agricultural and food products as Italy and it won't ever be worth the same GDP as what we produce. Additionally, the UK economy is significantly more diverse than Italy. We have huge tech, financial and pharma sectors that Italy could only hope to imitate. Italy has got GDP of $2tn and falling, the UK has got GDP of $3tn and rising. 0.79% of GDP for agriculture isn't necessarily a bad thing when you take into account the sheer size of the UK economy vs others that are being compared to.
I'm not fussed about Australian food imports, in fact I think that they will be a net benefit to the country and having been to Australia a few times the quality of their red meat is excellent, it's comparable to our own. I'm not sure you can make cross country comparisons on the agricultural economic contribution as those numbers are, IMO, fairly useless in isolation.
Indeed the UK's environment is not a competitive advantage that makes us well suited to agriculture, quite the opposite.
Which makes it so bizarre and twisted we waste 70% of land on it!
It makes us well suited to some kinds of agriculture and unsuited for others. We wouldn't bother with orange groves, for example and that cuts the UK out of a huge market. We wouldn't have Olive groves either, and that cuts the UK out of the most lucrative part of food oil where we rely on imports from Italy, Greece and Spain.
We can and should be a powerhouse of dairy and meat products though. The quality of British dairy is incredible and our meat, IMO, has few equals. So I'm more than happy to shift some land to housing or industrial use, definitely, but I also think that with the correct reforms UK agriculture has got huge scope for growth and export growth now that the market will dictate what UK growing conditions can sustain.
Then you and I are on the same page completely.
That is exactly what happened with New Zealand when they abandoned protectionism and subsidies too.
Getting more competition and better practicies absolutely could see our agriculture output improve while simultaneously freeing up land for industrial uses like Gigafactories or anything else we might productively use it for.
Why does agriculture take up so much land? Perhaps you need land to grow soy to feed to cows to turn into burgers? Think about how much more efficient things would be if we concrete over the farms and turn them into nice office parks full of people mining Britcoin which we then use to buy food grown by foreign wasters happy to be inefficient.
Yes, a sure way to a secure and prosperous future.
Yep, the UK dedicates 71.7% of land to agricultural use in order to generate 0.61% of UK GDP.
In contrast Sweden uses 6.5% of its land for agriculture to generate 1.44% of GDP.
Norway uses 2.7% of land to agricultural use in order to generate 1.93% of GDP.
I think their definition of agricultural land may be different. In theory all of northern Scandinavia could be designated as 'farmland' because it is used for reindeer grazing.
In any case, all that tells us is that Scandinavia is not heavily populated.
Can you name any heavily populated nation on the planet that so inefficiently wastes 71% of its land to generate below 1% of GDP?
Japan would probably be more comparable to the UK. They dedicated 12% of land to agriculture and they get 1.14% of GDP from agriculture.
Why is ours so inefficient compared to everyone else?
Question - when you say "agricultural land" do include hills and fells used for open sheep grazing?
And are our grouse moors "agricultural land" or not? Does Sweden (and the UK) include its fishing industries? On what basis? These kinds of statistics are not uninteresting but are going to be riddled with inconsistencies.
The Truss's leadership prospects are surely in tatters. The Tories would never risk her - an absolutely vilified character within Britain's rural communities. Truss the Farmer's Cuss she'll be known as.
Dunno about that. The Tory members in the SE couldn’t give a damn about the farmers.
Everyone knows that the "countryside" is to stop plebs building houses, not for things like "farming". Don't be ridiculous.
I'm beginning to think some people don't know what "food security" means.
How does banning perfectly safe, perfectly scientific, well tested hormone supplements aid our food security?
Especially considering that the hormone supplement ban was protectionist unscientific bullshit that the EU imposed on us, as UK farmers were using hormone supplements until the EU instituted its ban that the UK opposed at the time in the Council of Ministers?
Maybe the UK farmer should just go back to doing what they were before the EU started meddling, and thus improve our food security?
Not hormones, but actually having farming and fishing industries at all in the Isles of Great Britain and Ireland.
Yes we have an industry, it represents all of 0.61% of UK GDP while taking up 70% of UK land.
Being made to compete with the rest of the world would force the industry to improve and become more efficient and more productive, just as happened with New Zealand when they eliminated their trade barriers and subsidies.
An improved and more efficient agriculture industry would improve our security, wouldn't it?
You won’t be happy until we’re eating dog food
Why would we eat dog food?
Have you ever eaten Australian meat? Its excellent top quality.
Your xenophobia at imports is weird, especially while seeing 27 other nations getting free access to export their meat to us zero tariffs, zero quotas.
They have lower standards then we do. 'OLB' post on PT has examples. Or if you want an even better authority - the best let's be honest - there's Mark Drakeford. But it won't bother you and that's perfectly understandable. This whole thing is bespoke tailored to push all your buttons.
Free trade. Free free free. No quotas or tariffs. Deregulated mangy beef. Don't like it? So don't eat it then. Problem solved. Choice. The market pure and simple. And omg Australia. Red on the map. Trad Commonwealth. Five eyes. FAMILY.
7th Heaven in other words.
I rarely succeed in changing your view on anything but I sometimes like to try. Not here though. It'd be too close to the bone.
"Mangy beef"?
I used to live there you forget, I grew up downunder.
American food is shit, when you talk about shit food and you're talking about American deals you have a point. Australian meat is top nosh. Great quality.
Has anyone on this site ever gone to Australia, eaten beef there and thought "urgh this is mangy dog food shit"? Don't be ridiculous.
As someone who has lived in the US and eats American cooking (as provided by the Wife) every day I beg to differ.
Fair point.
Kraft "cheese" and stuff like that probably doesn't do America's reputation much good. 😂
Like culture, the US exports the lowest common denominator, and keeps the good stuff for itself. Anyone who has been to New York City (or and of the large cities) and said "the food is shit here" probably spent whole trip in a hospital.
American food is rather like British food. Has a mediocre reputation worldwide, but in many big coastal cities you can get fantastic, innovative restaurant food, there's a great array of foreign cuisines, and in the first order cities - New York, LA (London in the UK) - the food can be some of the best in the world. America also has stand-out smaller food cities like New Orleans, which are as good as the best in Europe
Where America does fall down is in the flyover country, where you can drive for 100 miles and the only choice is fast food, literally. DAIRY QUEENS
And don't get me on to the cheese or charcuterie selection in, say, a Walmart in Mississippi. UGH
Son just rang me to say the PA of E.On's CEO has rung him this morning to let him know that whilst these complaints are usually handled by his team she had him read this one personally and he is taking a personal interest and is "upset" and "emotionally invested" in this case.
Seeing it all written down the case against E.on is utterly shaming - but I am relieved beyond words that this now has senior management investiture.
Once the top bod gets involved it swiftly becomes a “how can we make this up to you” scenario. Getting the CEO embarrassed by corporate bad behaviour causes earthquakes internally. Your son will now win.
As a republican I am of course the true first, whatever the evidence may indicate.
Well any posters prior to you are disenfranchised if they are not posting from halfway up a tree on a golf course the other side of the county so of course you came first.
The Truss's leadership prospects are surely in tatters. The Tories would never risk her - an absolutely vilified character within Britain's rural communities. Truss the Farmer's Cuss she'll be known as.
Dunno about that. The Tory members in the SE couldn’t give a damn about the farmers.
Everyone knows that the "countryside" is to stop plebs building houses, not for things like "farming". Don't be ridiculous.
I'm beginning to think some people don't know what "food security" means.
How does banning perfectly safe, perfectly scientific, well tested hormone supplements aid our food security?
Especially considering that the hormone supplement ban was protectionist unscientific bullshit that the EU imposed on us, as UK farmers were using hormone supplements until the EU instituted its ban that the UK opposed at the time in the Council of Ministers?
Maybe the UK farmer should just go back to doing what they were before the EU started meddling, and thus improve our food security?
Not hormones, but actually having farming and fishing industries at all in the Isles of Great Britain and Ireland.
Yes we have an industry, it represents all of 0.61% of UK GDP while taking up 70% of UK land.
Being made to compete with the rest of the world would force the industry to improve and become more efficient and more productive, just as happened with New Zealand when they eliminated their trade barriers and subsidies.
An improved and more efficient agriculture industry would improve our security, wouldn't it?
You won’t be happy until we’re eating dog food
Why would we eat dog food?
Have you ever eaten Australian meat? Its excellent top quality.
Your xenophobia at imports is weird, especially while seeing 27 other nations getting free access to export their meat to us zero tariffs, zero quotas.
They have lower standards then we do. 'OLB' post on PT has examples. Or if you want an even better authority - the best let's be honest - there's Mark Drakeford. But it won't bother you and that's perfectly understandable. This whole thing is bespoke tailored to push all your buttons.
Free trade. Free free free. No quotas or tariffs. Deregulated mangy beef. Don't like it? So don't eat it then. Problem solved. Choice. The market pure and simple. And omg Australia. Red on the map. Trad Commonwealth. Five eyes. FAMILY.
7th Heaven in other words.
I rarely succeed in changing your view on anything but I sometimes like to try. Not here though. It'd be too close to the bone.
"Mangy beef"?
I used to live there you forget, I grew up downunder.
American food is shit, when you talk about shit food and you're talking about American deals you have a point. Australian meat is top nosh. Great quality.
Has anyone on this site ever gone to Australia, eaten beef there and thought "urgh this is mangy dog food shit"? Don't be ridiculous.
As someone who has lived in the US and eats American cooking (as provided by the Wife) every day I beg to differ.
Fair point.
Kraft "cheese" and stuff like that probably doesn't do America's reputation much good. 😂
Like culture, the US exports the lowest common denominator, and keeps the good stuff for itself. Anyone who has been to New York City (or and of the large cities) and said "the food is shit here" probably spent whole trip in a hospital.
American food is rather like British food. Has a mediocre reputation worldwide, but in many big coastal cities you can get fantastic, innovative restaurant food, there's a great array of foreign cuisines, and in the first order cities - New York, LA (London in the UK) - the food can be some of the best in the world. America also has stand-out smaller food cities like New Orleans, which are as good as the best in Europe
Where America does fall down is in the flyover country, where you can drive for 100 miles and the only choice is fast food, literally. DAIRY QUEENS
And don't get me on to the cheese or charcuterie selection in, say, a Walmart in Mississippi. UGH
America its the processed stuff, it just so so so bad...fructose corn syrup in everything, crazy numbers of calories, fat, sugar etc. Its been creeping in here though over the past few years, increasingly products have the fructose corn syrup.
I usually spend a month a year there and have to be so careful with food, otherwise so easy to put on serious weight in no time.
The Truss's leadership prospects are surely in tatters. The Tories would never risk her - an absolutely vilified character within Britain's rural communities. Truss the Farmer's Cuss she'll be known as.
Dunno about that. The Tory members in the SE couldn’t give a damn about the farmers.
Everyone knows that the "countryside" is to stop plebs building houses, not for things like "farming". Don't be ridiculous.
I'm beginning to think some people don't know what "food security" means.
How does banning perfectly safe, perfectly scientific, well tested hormone supplements aid our food security?
Especially considering that the hormone supplement ban was protectionist unscientific bullshit that the EU imposed on us, as UK farmers were using hormone supplements until the EU instituted its ban that the UK opposed at the time in the Council of Ministers?
Maybe the UK farmer should just go back to doing what they were before the EU started meddling, and thus improve our food security?
Not hormones, but actually having farming and fishing industries at all in the Isles of Great Britain and Ireland.
Yes we have an industry, it represents all of 0.61% of UK GDP while taking up 70% of UK land.
Being made to compete with the rest of the world would force the industry to improve and become more efficient and more productive, just as happened with New Zealand when they eliminated their trade barriers and subsidies.
An improved and more efficient agriculture industry would improve our security, wouldn't it?
You won’t be happy until we’re eating dog food
Why would we eat dog food?
Have you ever eaten Australian meat? Its excellent top quality.
Your xenophobia at imports is weird, especially while seeing 27 other nations getting free access to export their meat to us zero tariffs, zero quotas.
They have lower standards then we do. 'OLB' post on PT has examples. Or if you want an even better authority - the best let's be honest - there's Mark Drakeford. But it won't bother you and that's perfectly understandable. This whole thing is bespoke tailored to push all your buttons.
Free trade. Free free free. No quotas or tariffs. Deregulated mangy beef. Don't like it? So don't eat it then. Problem solved. Choice. The market pure and simple. And omg Australia. Red on the map. Trad Commonwealth. Five eyes. FAMILY.
7th Heaven in other words.
I rarely succeed in changing your view on anything but I sometimes like to try. Not here though. It'd be too close to the bone.
"Mangy beef"? I used to live there you forget, I grew up downunder. American food is shit, when you talk about shit food and you're talking about American deals you have a point. Australian meat is top nosh. Great quality. Has anyone on this site ever gone to Australia, eaten beef there and thought "urgh this is mangy dog food shit"? Don't be ridiculous.
You’re clearly emotionally invested in this deal, given your Australian heritage. Perhaps, just perhaps, you’re promoting a shit deal for your adopted country?
I have no Aussie heritage. I spent a few years there as a "POME Bastard" expat.
I thought I remembered that you came here from Australia. Since you seem not to like living in this country, why did you bother to come back?
The Truss's leadership prospects are surely in tatters. The Tories would never risk her - an absolutely vilified character within Britain's rural communities. Truss the Farmer's Cuss she'll be known as.
Dunno about that. The Tory members in the SE couldn’t give a damn about the farmers.
Everyone knows that the "countryside" is to stop plebs building houses, not for things like "farming". Don't be ridiculous.
I'm beginning to think some people don't know what "food security" means.
How does banning perfectly safe, perfectly scientific, well tested hormone supplements aid our food security?
Especially considering that the hormone supplement ban was protectionist unscientific bullshit that the EU imposed on us, as UK farmers were using hormone supplements until the EU instituted its ban that the UK opposed at the time in the Council of Ministers?
Maybe the UK farmer should just go back to doing what they were before the EU started meddling, and thus improve our food security?
Not hormones, but actually having farming and fishing industries at all in the Isles of Great Britain and Ireland.
Yes we have an industry, it represents all of 0.61% of UK GDP while taking up 70% of UK land.
Being made to compete with the rest of the world would force the industry to improve and become more efficient and more productive, just as happened with New Zealand when they eliminated their trade barriers and subsidies.
An improved and more efficient agriculture industry would improve our security, wouldn't it?
You won’t be happy until we’re eating dog food
Why would we eat dog food?
Have you ever eaten Australian meat? Its excellent top quality.
Your xenophobia at imports is weird, especially while seeing 27 other nations getting free access to export their meat to us zero tariffs, zero quotas.
They have lower standards then we do. 'OLB' post on PT has examples. Or if you want an even better authority - the best let's be honest - there's Mark Drakeford. But it won't bother you and that's perfectly understandable. This whole thing is bespoke tailored to push all your buttons.
Free trade. Free free free. No quotas or tariffs. Deregulated mangy beef. Don't like it? So don't eat it then. Problem solved. Choice. The market pure and simple. And omg Australia. Red on the map. Trad Commonwealth. Five eyes. FAMILY.
7th Heaven in other words.
I rarely succeed in changing your view on anything but I sometimes like to try. Not here though. It'd be too close to the bone.
"Mangy beef"?
I used to live there you forget, I grew up downunder.
American food is shit, when you talk about shit food and you're talking about American deals you have a point. Australian meat is top nosh. Great quality.
Has anyone on this site ever gone to Australia, eaten beef there and thought "urgh this is mangy dog food shit"? Don't be ridiculous.
As someone who has lived in the US and eats American cooking (as provided by the Wife) every day I beg to differ.
Fair point.
Kraft "cheese" and stuff like that probably doesn't do America's reputation much good. 😂
Like culture, the US exports the lowest common denominator, and keeps the good stuff for itself. Anyone who has been to New York City (or and of the large cities) and said "the food is shit here" probably spent whole trip in a hospital.
American food is rather like British food. Has a mediocre reputation worldwide, but in many big coastal cities you can get fantastic, innovative restaurant food, there's a great array of foreign cuisines, and in the first order cities - New York, LA (London in the UK) - the food can be some of the best in the world. America also has stand-out smaller food cities like New Orleans, which are as good as the best in Europe
Where America does fall down is in the flyover country, where you can drive for 100 miles and the only choice is fast food, literally. DAIRY QUEENS
And don't get me on to the cheese or charcuterie selection in, say, a Walmart in Mississippi. UGH
My wife's from New Haven, which is not flyover country but neither is it (excluding Yale) a big city, and you can get fantastic cheap sandwiches, pizzas, what have you in Italian Deli's on every corner. The equivalent in the UK would be Oxford or Cambridge where, admittedly, there are some great high end restaurants but you try finding a decent cheap sandwich.
The Truss's leadership prospects are surely in tatters. The Tories would never risk her - an absolutely vilified character within Britain's rural communities. Truss the Farmer's Cuss she'll be known as.
Dunno about that. The Tory members in the SE couldn’t give a damn about the farmers.
Everyone knows that the "countryside" is to stop plebs building houses, not for things like "farming". Don't be ridiculous.
I'm beginning to think some people don't know what "food security" means.
How does banning perfectly safe, perfectly scientific, well tested hormone supplements aid our food security?
Especially considering that the hormone supplement ban was protectionist unscientific bullshit that the EU imposed on us, as UK farmers were using hormone supplements until the EU instituted its ban that the UK opposed at the time in the Council of Ministers?
Maybe the UK farmer should just go back to doing what they were before the EU started meddling, and thus improve our food security?
Not hormones, but actually having farming and fishing industries at all in the Isles of Great Britain and Ireland.
Yes we have an industry, it represents all of 0.61% of UK GDP while taking up 70% of UK land.
Being made to compete with the rest of the world would force the industry to improve and become more efficient and more productive, just as happened with New Zealand when they eliminated their trade barriers and subsidies.
An improved and more efficient agriculture industry would improve our security, wouldn't it?
You won’t be happy until we’re eating dog food
Why would we eat dog food?
Have you ever eaten Australian meat? Its excellent top quality.
Your xenophobia at imports is weird, especially while seeing 27 other nations getting free access to export their meat to us zero tariffs, zero quotas.
They have lower standards then we do. 'OLB' post on PT has examples. Or if you want an even better authority - the best let's be honest - there's Mark Drakeford. But it won't bother you and that's perfectly understandable. This whole thing is bespoke tailored to push all your buttons.
Free trade. Free free free. No quotas or tariffs. Deregulated mangy beef. Don't like it? So don't eat it then. Problem solved. Choice. The market pure and simple. And omg Australia. Red on the map. Trad Commonwealth. Five eyes. FAMILY.
7th Heaven in other words.
I rarely succeed in changing your view on anything but I sometimes like to try. Not here though. It'd be too close to the bone.
"Mangy beef"? I used to live there you forget, I grew up downunder. American food is shit, when you talk about shit food and you're talking about American deals you have a point. Australian meat is top nosh. Great quality. Has anyone on this site ever gone to Australia, eaten beef there and thought "urgh this is mangy dog food shit"? Don't be ridiculous.
You’re clearly emotionally invested in this deal, given your Australian heritage. Perhaps, just perhaps, you’re promoting a shit deal for your adopted country?
I have no Aussie heritage. I spent a few years there as a "POME Bastard" expat.
I thought I remembered that you came here from Australia. Since you seem not to like living in this country, why did you bother to come back?
I like my country.
I just think things can be better. Politics is about making things better.
I don't have any pretentions that everything is perfect in England.
Biden's approval rating is 54% but Congress' approval rating is only 31% and it will be the Democratic controlled Congress on the ballot next November in the midterms not Biden
While Biden's approval rating is also about average and above Trump's, it is actually significantly below the 65% rating Obama had at this stage of his Presidency and even Obama saw his party lose control of the House in his first midterms https://news.gallup.com/poll/350129/biden-congress-approval-ratings-steady.aspx
But the Republican party has jumped the shark and continues to embrace the deeply and increasingly unpopular character of Trump as the removal of Liz Cheney demonstrated all too clearly. I think that they will pay a heavy price for that obduracy and expect the Democrats to do quite well.
I hope you're right, I'm worried you won't be.
I was hoping that Trump losing office would see his grasp on the party removed, just as after Corbyn lost power. But it seems the Trumpists want to hold on, even after defeat.
Maybe they need to be defeated a second time, like Corbyn himself.
Corbyn lost by a landslide in 2019, Trump did not in 2020. Trump also won in 2016 and Corbyn lost in 2017
Biden 306 Trump 232
Trump lost by 4% of the vote in 2020, Corbyn lost by 12% of the vote in 2019
The crucial word in both cases is "lost". Also re:Trump 2016, it also depends on one's definition of "won".
The one thing that has definitely got better in the US over the past 20 years, the beer....it uses to be your choice of piss water like Budweiser everywhere...now craft ales are ubiquitous, even if less hipster parts of the US.
The Truss's leadership prospects are surely in tatters. The Tories would never risk her - an absolutely vilified character within Britain's rural communities. Truss the Farmer's Cuss she'll be known as.
Dunno about that. The Tory members in the SE couldn’t give a damn about the farmers.
Everyone knows that the "countryside" is to stop plebs building houses, not for things like "farming". Don't be ridiculous.
I'm beginning to think some people don't know what "food security" means.
How does banning perfectly safe, perfectly scientific, well tested hormone supplements aid our food security?
Especially considering that the hormone supplement ban was protectionist unscientific bullshit that the EU imposed on us, as UK farmers were using hormone supplements until the EU instituted its ban that the UK opposed at the time in the Council of Ministers?
Maybe the UK farmer should just go back to doing what they were before the EU started meddling, and thus improve our food security?
Not hormones, but actually having farming and fishing industries at all in the Isles of Great Britain and Ireland.
Yes we have an industry, it represents all of 0.61% of UK GDP while taking up 70% of UK land.
Being made to compete with the rest of the world would force the industry to improve and become more efficient and more productive, just as happened with New Zealand when they eliminated their trade barriers and subsidies.
An improved and more efficient agriculture industry would improve our security, wouldn't it?
You won’t be happy until we’re eating dog food
Why would we eat dog food?
Have you ever eaten Australian meat? Its excellent top quality.
Your xenophobia at imports is weird, especially while seeing 27 other nations getting free access to export their meat to us zero tariffs, zero quotas.
They have lower standards then we do. 'OLB' post on PT has examples. Or if you want an even better authority - the best let's be honest - there's Mark Drakeford. But it won't bother you and that's perfectly understandable. This whole thing is bespoke tailored to push all your buttons.
Free trade. Free free free. No quotas or tariffs. Deregulated mangy beef. Don't like it? So don't eat it then. Problem solved. Choice. The market pure and simple. And omg Australia. Red on the map. Trad Commonwealth. Five eyes. FAMILY.
7th Heaven in other words.
I rarely succeed in changing your view on anything but I sometimes like to try. Not here though. It'd be too close to the bone.
"Mangy beef"?
I used to live there you forget, I grew up downunder.
American food is shit, when you talk about shit food and you're talking about American deals you have a point. Australian meat is top nosh. Great quality.
Has anyone on this site ever gone to Australia, eaten beef there and thought "urgh this is mangy dog food shit"? Don't be ridiculous.
As someone who has lived in the US and eats American cooking (as provided by the Wife) every day I beg to differ.
Fair point.
Kraft "cheese" and stuff like that probably doesn't do America's reputation much good. 😂
Like culture, the US exports the lowest common denominator, and keeps the good stuff for itself. Anyone who has been to New York City (or and of the large cities) and said "the food is shit here" probably spent whole trip in a hospital.
American food is rather like British food. Has a mediocre reputation worldwide, but in many big coastal cities you can get fantastic, innovative restaurant food, there's a great array of foreign cuisines, and in the first order cities - New York, LA (London in the UK) - the food can be some of the best in the world. America also has stand-out smaller food cities like New Orleans, which are as good as the best in Europe
Where America does fall down is in the flyover country, where you can drive for 100 miles and the only choice is fast food, literally. DAIRY QUEENS
And don't get me on to the cheese or charcuterie selection in, say, a Walmart in Mississippi. UGH
America its the processed stuff, it just so so so bad...fructose corn syrup in everything, crazy numbers of calories, fat, sugar etc. Its been creeping in here though over the past few years, increasingly products have the fructose corn syrup.
I usually spend a month a year there and have to be so careful with food, otherwise so easy to put on serious weight in no time.
Yes, the portions are obscene, I hate it. NO I DON'T WANT A KILO OF FRENCH FRIES WITH PROCESSED ORANGE "JACK" CHEESE ON TOP
I've read various theories about this inability to serve sane portions, my favourite is this: it derives from the backstory of early immigrants, who were often fleeing Famine - Ireland, Germany - and therefore Americans are hardwired to want LOTS of food, whatever it is
The best food thing in America - where it beats the world - is barbecues. They REALLY know how to do a barbie.
The Truss's leadership prospects are surely in tatters. The Tories would never risk her - an absolutely vilified character within Britain's rural communities. Truss the Farmer's Cuss she'll be known as.
Dunno about that. The Tory members in the SE couldn’t give a damn about the farmers.
Everyone knows that the "countryside" is to stop plebs building houses, not for things like "farming". Don't be ridiculous.
I'm beginning to think some people don't know what "food security" means.
How does banning perfectly safe, perfectly scientific, well tested hormone supplements aid our food security?
Especially considering that the hormone supplement ban was protectionist unscientific bullshit that the EU imposed on us, as UK farmers were using hormone supplements until the EU instituted its ban that the UK opposed at the time in the Council of Ministers?
Maybe the UK farmer should just go back to doing what they were before the EU started meddling, and thus improve our food security?
Not hormones, but actually having farming and fishing industries at all in the Isles of Great Britain and Ireland.
Yes we have an industry, it represents all of 0.61% of UK GDP while taking up 70% of UK land.
Being made to compete with the rest of the world would force the industry to improve and become more efficient and more productive, just as happened with New Zealand when they eliminated their trade barriers and subsidies.
An improved and more efficient agriculture industry would improve our security, wouldn't it?
You won’t be happy until we’re eating dog food
Why would we eat dog food?
Have you ever eaten Australian meat? Its excellent top quality.
Your xenophobia at imports is weird, especially while seeing 27 other nations getting free access to export their meat to us zero tariffs, zero quotas.
They have lower standards then we do. 'OLB' post on PT has examples. Or if you want an even better authority - the best let's be honest - there's Mark Drakeford. But it won't bother you and that's perfectly understandable. This whole thing is bespoke tailored to push all your buttons.
Free trade. Free free free. No quotas or tariffs. Deregulated mangy beef. Don't like it? So don't eat it then. Problem solved. Choice. The market pure and simple. And omg Australia. Red on the map. Trad Commonwealth. Five eyes. FAMILY.
7th Heaven in other words.
I rarely succeed in changing your view on anything but I sometimes like to try. Not here though. It'd be too close to the bone.
"Mangy beef"?
I used to live there you forget, I grew up downunder.
American food is shit, when you talk about shit food and you're talking about American deals you have a point. Australian meat is top nosh. Great quality.
Has anyone on this site ever gone to Australia, eaten beef there and thought "urgh this is mangy dog food shit"? Don't be ridiculous.
As someone who has lived in the US and eats American cooking (as provided by the Wife) every day I beg to differ.
Fair point.
Kraft "cheese" and stuff like that probably doesn't do America's reputation much good. 😂
Like culture, the US exports the lowest common denominator, and keeps the good stuff for itself. Anyone who has been to New York City (or and of the large cities) and said "the food is shit here" probably spent whole trip in a hospital.
American food is rather like British food. Has a mediocre reputation worldwide, but in many big coastal cities you can get fantastic, innovative restaurant food, there's a great array of foreign cuisines, and in the first order cities - New York, LA (London in the UK) - the food can be some of the best in the world. America also has stand-out smaller food cities like New Orleans, which are as good as the best in Europe
Where America does fall down is in the flyover country, where you can drive for 100 miles and the only choice is fast food, literally. DAIRY QUEENS
And don't get me on to the cheese or charcuterie selection in, say, a Walmart in Mississippi. UGH
America its the processed stuff, it just so so so bad...fructose corn syrup in everything, crazy numbers of calories, fat, sugar etc. Its been creeping in here though over the past few years, increasingly products have the fructose corn syrup.
I usually spend a month a year there and have to be so careful with food, otherwise so easy to put on serious weight in no time.
Yes, the portions are obscene, I hate it. NO I DON'T WANT A KILO OF FRENCH FRIES WITH PROCESSED ORANGE "JACK" CHEESE ON TOP
I've read various theories about this inability to serve sane portions, my favourite is this: it derives from the backstory of early immigrants, who were often fleeing Famine - Ireland, Germany - and therefore Americans are hardwired to want LOTS of food, whatever it is
The best food thing in America - where it beats the world - is barbecues. They REALLY know how to do a barbie.
Helps that they actually have sunshine
What is this "sunshine" you talk of? Is it a sauce of some kind?
The Truss's leadership prospects are surely in tatters. The Tories would never risk her - an absolutely vilified character within Britain's rural communities. Truss the Farmer's Cuss she'll be known as.
Dunno about that. The Tory members in the SE couldn’t give a damn about the farmers.
Everyone knows that the "countryside" is to stop plebs building houses, not for things like "farming". Don't be ridiculous.
I'm beginning to think some people don't know what "food security" means.
How does banning perfectly safe, perfectly scientific, well tested hormone supplements aid our food security?
Especially considering that the hormone supplement ban was protectionist unscientific bullshit that the EU imposed on us, as UK farmers were using hormone supplements until the EU instituted its ban that the UK opposed at the time in the Council of Ministers?
Maybe the UK farmer should just go back to doing what they were before the EU started meddling, and thus improve our food security?
Not hormones, but actually having farming and fishing industries at all in the Isles of Great Britain and Ireland.
Yes we have an industry, it represents all of 0.61% of UK GDP while taking up 70% of UK land.
Being made to compete with the rest of the world would force the industry to improve and become more efficient and more productive, just as happened with New Zealand when they eliminated their trade barriers and subsidies.
An improved and more efficient agriculture industry would improve our security, wouldn't it?
You won’t be happy until we’re eating dog food
Why would we eat dog food?
Have you ever eaten Australian meat? Its excellent top quality.
Your xenophobia at imports is weird, especially while seeing 27 other nations getting free access to export their meat to us zero tariffs, zero quotas.
They have lower standards then we do. 'OLB' post on PT has examples. Or if you want an even better authority - the best let's be honest - there's Mark Drakeford. But it won't bother you and that's perfectly understandable. This whole thing is bespoke tailored to push all your buttons.
Free trade. Free free free. No quotas or tariffs. Deregulated mangy beef. Don't like it? So don't eat it then. Problem solved. Choice. The market pure and simple. And omg Australia. Red on the map. Trad Commonwealth. Five eyes. FAMILY.
7th Heaven in other words.
I rarely succeed in changing your view on anything but I sometimes like to try. Not here though. It'd be too close to the bone.
"Mangy beef"?
I used to live there you forget, I grew up downunder.
American food is shit, when you talk about shit food and you're talking about American deals you have a point. Australian meat is top nosh. Great quality.
Has anyone on this site ever gone to Australia, eaten beef there and thought "urgh this is mangy dog food shit"? Don't be ridiculous.
As someone who has lived in the US and eats American cooking (as provided by the Wife) every day I beg to differ.
I have a friend who - and you can know someone for 20 years and still be finding things out about them - it turns out is a massive fan of really top quality beef. He insists on American beef - reckons it far superior to British in almost all circumstances.
The Truss's leadership prospects are surely in tatters. The Tories would never risk her - an absolutely vilified character within Britain's rural communities. Truss the Farmer's Cuss she'll be known as.
Dunno about that. The Tory members in the SE couldn’t give a damn about the farmers.
Everyone knows that the "countryside" is to stop plebs building houses, not for things like "farming". Don't be ridiculous.
I'm beginning to think some people don't know what "food security" means.
How does banning perfectly safe, perfectly scientific, well tested hormone supplements aid our food security?
Especially considering that the hormone supplement ban was protectionist unscientific bullshit that the EU imposed on us, as UK farmers were using hormone supplements until the EU instituted its ban that the UK opposed at the time in the Council of Ministers?
Maybe the UK farmer should just go back to doing what they were before the EU started meddling, and thus improve our food security?
Not hormones, but actually having farming and fishing industries at all in the Isles of Great Britain and Ireland.
Yes we have an industry, it represents all of 0.61% of UK GDP while taking up 70% of UK land.
Being made to compete with the rest of the world would force the industry to improve and become more efficient and more productive, just as happened with New Zealand when they eliminated their trade barriers and subsidies.
An improved and more efficient agriculture industry would improve our security, wouldn't it?
You won’t be happy until we’re eating dog food
Why would we eat dog food?
Have you ever eaten Australian meat? Its excellent top quality.
Your xenophobia at imports is weird, especially while seeing 27 other nations getting free access to export their meat to us zero tariffs, zero quotas.
They have lower standards then we do. 'OLB' post on PT has examples. Or if you want an even better authority - the best let's be honest - there's Mark Drakeford. But it won't bother you and that's perfectly understandable. This whole thing is bespoke tailored to push all your buttons.
Free trade. Free free free. No quotas or tariffs. Deregulated mangy beef. Don't like it? So don't eat it then. Problem solved. Choice. The market pure and simple. And omg Australia. Red on the map. Trad Commonwealth. Five eyes. FAMILY.
7th Heaven in other words.
I rarely succeed in changing your view on anything but I sometimes like to try. Not here though. It'd be too close to the bone.
"Mangy beef"?
I used to live there you forget, I grew up downunder.
American food is shit, when you talk about shit food and you're talking about American deals you have a point. Australian meat is top nosh. Great quality.
Has anyone on this site ever gone to Australia, eaten beef there and thought "urgh this is mangy dog food shit"? Don't be ridiculous.
As someone who has lived in the US and eats American cooking (as provided by the Wife) every day I beg to differ.
Fair point.
Kraft "cheese" and stuff like that probably doesn't do America's reputation much good. 😂
Like culture, the US exports the lowest common denominator, and keeps the good stuff for itself. Anyone who has been to New York City (or and of the large cities) and said "the food is shit here" probably spent whole trip in a hospital.
American food is rather like British food. Has a mediocre reputation worldwide, but in many big coastal cities you can get fantastic, innovative restaurant food, there's a great array of foreign cuisines, and in the first order cities - New York, LA (London in the UK) - the food can be some of the best in the world. America also has stand-out smaller food cities like New Orleans, which are as good as the best in Europe
Where America does fall down is in the flyover country, where you can drive for 100 miles and the only choice is fast food, literally. DAIRY QUEENS
And don't get me on to the cheese or charcuterie selection in, say, a Walmart in Mississippi. UGH
My wife's from New Haven, which is not flyover country but neither is it (excluding Yale) a big city, and you can get fantastic cheap sandwiches, pizzas, what have you in Italian Deli's on every corner. The equivalent in the UK would be Oxford or Cambridge where, admittedly, there are some great high end restaurants but you try finding a decent cheap sandwich.
What?! You can walk into any decent supermarket across the UK and get incredible sandwiches. It's one thing we do brilliantly. Tesco do a stilton and rare roast beef sandwich which is possibly the best sandwich I have ever had.
The Truss's leadership prospects are surely in tatters. The Tories would never risk her - an absolutely vilified character within Britain's rural communities. Truss the Farmer's Cuss she'll be known as.
Dunno about that. The Tory members in the SE couldn’t give a damn about the farmers.
Everyone knows that the "countryside" is to stop plebs building houses, not for things like "farming". Don't be ridiculous.
I'm beginning to think some people don't know what "food security" means.
How does banning perfectly safe, perfectly scientific, well tested hormone supplements aid our food security?
Especially considering that the hormone supplement ban was protectionist unscientific bullshit that the EU imposed on us, as UK farmers were using hormone supplements until the EU instituted its ban that the UK opposed at the time in the Council of Ministers?
Maybe the UK farmer should just go back to doing what they were before the EU started meddling, and thus improve our food security?
Not hormones, but actually having farming and fishing industries at all in the Isles of Great Britain and Ireland.
Yes we have an industry, it represents all of 0.61% of UK GDP while taking up 70% of UK land.
Being made to compete with the rest of the world would force the industry to improve and become more efficient and more productive, just as happened with New Zealand when they eliminated their trade barriers and subsidies.
An improved and more efficient agriculture industry would improve our security, wouldn't it?
You won’t be happy until we’re eating dog food
Why would we eat dog food?
Have you ever eaten Australian meat? Its excellent top quality.
Your xenophobia at imports is weird, especially while seeing 27 other nations getting free access to export their meat to us zero tariffs, zero quotas.
They have lower standards then we do. 'OLB' post on PT has examples. Or if you want an even better authority - the best let's be honest - there's Mark Drakeford. But it won't bother you and that's perfectly understandable. This whole thing is bespoke tailored to push all your buttons.
Free trade. Free free free. No quotas or tariffs. Deregulated mangy beef. Don't like it? So don't eat it then. Problem solved. Choice. The market pure and simple. And omg Australia. Red on the map. Trad Commonwealth. Five eyes. FAMILY.
7th Heaven in other words.
I rarely succeed in changing your view on anything but I sometimes like to try. Not here though. It'd be too close to the bone.
"Mangy beef"?
I used to live there you forget, I grew up downunder.
American food is shit, when you talk about shit food and you're talking about American deals you have a point. Australian meat is top nosh. Great quality.
Has anyone on this site ever gone to Australia, eaten beef there and thought "urgh this is mangy dog food shit"? Don't be ridiculous.
As someone who has lived in the US and eats American cooking (as provided by the Wife) every day I beg to differ.
Fair point.
Kraft "cheese" and stuff like that probably doesn't do America's reputation much good. 😂
Like culture, the US exports the lowest common denominator, and keeps the good stuff for itself. Anyone who has been to New York City (or and of the large cities) and said "the food is shit here" probably spent whole trip in a hospital.
American food is rather like British food. Has a mediocre reputation worldwide, but in many big coastal cities you can get fantastic, innovative restaurant food, there's a great array of foreign cuisines, and in the first order cities - New York, LA (London in the UK) - the food can be some of the best in the world. America also has stand-out smaller food cities like New Orleans, which are as good as the best in Europe
Where America does fall down is in the flyover country, where you can drive for 100 miles and the only choice is fast food, literally. DAIRY QUEENS
And don't get me on to the cheese or charcuterie selection in, say, a Walmart in Mississippi. UGH
America its the processed stuff, it just so so so bad...fructose corn syrup in everything, crazy numbers of calories, fat, sugar etc. Its been creeping in here though over the past few years, increasingly products have the fructose corn syrup.
I usually spend a month a year there and have to be so careful with food, otherwise so easy to put on serious weight in no time.
Yes, the portions are obscene, I hate it. NO I DON'T WANT A KILO OF FRENCH FRIES WITH PROCESSED ORANGE "JACK" CHEESE ON TOP
I've read various theories about this inability to serve sane portions, my favourite is this: it derives from the backstory of early immigrants, who were often fleeing Famine - Ireland, Germany - and therefore Americans are hardwired to want LOTS of food, whatever it is
The best food thing in America - where it beats the world - is barbecues. They REALLY know how to do a barbie.
Helps that they actually have sunshine
Deep south pit BBQ is ace...not very vegan friendly though.
Why does agriculture take up so much land? Perhaps you need land to grow soy to feed to cows to turn into burgers? Think about how much more efficient things would be if we concrete over the farms and turn them into nice office parks full of people mining Britcoin which we then use to buy food grown by foreign wasters happy to be inefficient.
Yes, a sure way to a secure and prosperous future.
Yep, the UK dedicates 71.7% of land to agricultural use in order to generate 0.61% of UK GDP.
In contrast Sweden uses 6.5% of its land for agriculture to generate 1.44% of GDP.
Norway uses 2.7% of land to agricultural use in order to generate 1.93% of GDP.
Large parts of Sweden and Norway are effectively uninhabited
The Truss's leadership prospects are surely in tatters. The Tories would never risk her - an absolutely vilified character within Britain's rural communities. Truss the Farmer's Cuss she'll be known as.
Dunno about that. The Tory members in the SE couldn’t give a damn about the farmers.
Everyone knows that the "countryside" is to stop plebs building houses, not for things like "farming". Don't be ridiculous.
I'm beginning to think some people don't know what "food security" means.
How does banning perfectly safe, perfectly scientific, well tested hormone supplements aid our food security?
Especially considering that the hormone supplement ban was protectionist unscientific bullshit that the EU imposed on us, as UK farmers were using hormone supplements until the EU instituted its ban that the UK opposed at the time in the Council of Ministers?
Maybe the UK farmer should just go back to doing what they were before the EU started meddling, and thus improve our food security?
Not hormones, but actually having farming and fishing industries at all in the Isles of Great Britain and Ireland.
Yes we have an industry, it represents all of 0.61% of UK GDP while taking up 70% of UK land.
Being made to compete with the rest of the world would force the industry to improve and become more efficient and more productive, just as happened with New Zealand when they eliminated their trade barriers and subsidies.
An improved and more efficient agriculture industry would improve our security, wouldn't it?
You won’t be happy until we’re eating dog food
Why would we eat dog food?
Have you ever eaten Australian meat? Its excellent top quality.
Your xenophobia at imports is weird, especially while seeing 27 other nations getting free access to export their meat to us zero tariffs, zero quotas.
They have lower standards then we do. 'OLB' post on PT has examples. Or if you want an even better authority - the best let's be honest - there's Mark Drakeford. But it won't bother you and that's perfectly understandable. This whole thing is bespoke tailored to push all your buttons.
Free trade. Free free free. No quotas or tariffs. Deregulated mangy beef. Don't like it? So don't eat it then. Problem solved. Choice. The market pure and simple. And omg Australia. Red on the map. Trad Commonwealth. Five eyes. FAMILY.
7th Heaven in other words.
I rarely succeed in changing your view on anything but I sometimes like to try. Not here though. It'd be too close to the bone.
"Mangy beef"?
I used to live there you forget, I grew up downunder.
American food is shit, when you talk about shit food and you're talking about American deals you have a point. Australian meat is top nosh. Great quality.
Has anyone on this site ever gone to Australia, eaten beef there and thought "urgh this is mangy dog food shit"? Don't be ridiculous.
As someone who has lived in the US and eats American cooking (as provided by the Wife) every day I beg to differ.
Fair point.
Kraft "cheese" and stuff like that probably doesn't do America's reputation much good. 😂
Like culture, the US exports the lowest common denominator, and keeps the good stuff for itself. Anyone who has been to New York City (or and of the large cities) and said "the food is shit here" probably spent whole trip in a hospital.
American food is rather like British food. Has a mediocre reputation worldwide, but in many big coastal cities you can get fantastic, innovative restaurant food, there's a great array of foreign cuisines, and in the first order cities - New York, LA (London in the UK) - the food can be some of the best in the world. America also has stand-out smaller food cities like New Orleans, which are as good as the best in Europe
Where America does fall down is in the flyover country, where you can drive for 100 miles and the only choice is fast food, literally. DAIRY QUEENS
And don't get me on to the cheese or charcuterie selection in, say, a Walmart in Mississippi. UGH
America its the processed stuff, it just so so so bad...fructose corn syrup in everything, crazy numbers of calories, fat, sugar etc. Its been creeping in here though over the past few years, increasingly products have the fructose corn syrup.
I usually spend a month a year there and have to be so careful with food, otherwise so easy to put on serious weight in no time.
There’s lots of fantastic food in the States - USDA beef comes to mind, some of the best dead cow around, and farmed to very high standards.
But there’s also a whole load of seriously crap cheap food, stuffed full of calories and served in massive portions.
The Truss's leadership prospects are surely in tatters. The Tories would never risk her - an absolutely vilified character within Britain's rural communities. Truss the Farmer's Cuss she'll be known as.
Dunno about that. The Tory members in the SE couldn’t give a damn about the farmers.
Everyone knows that the "countryside" is to stop plebs building houses, not for things like "farming". Don't be ridiculous.
I'm beginning to think some people don't know what "food security" means.
How does banning perfectly safe, perfectly scientific, well tested hormone supplements aid our food security?
Especially considering that the hormone supplement ban was protectionist unscientific bullshit that the EU imposed on us, as UK farmers were using hormone supplements until the EU instituted its ban that the UK opposed at the time in the Council of Ministers?
Maybe the UK farmer should just go back to doing what they were before the EU started meddling, and thus improve our food security?
Not hormones, but actually having farming and fishing industries at all in the Isles of Great Britain and Ireland.
Yes we have an industry, it represents all of 0.61% of UK GDP while taking up 70% of UK land.
Being made to compete with the rest of the world would force the industry to improve and become more efficient and more productive, just as happened with New Zealand when they eliminated their trade barriers and subsidies.
An improved and more efficient agriculture industry would improve our security, wouldn't it?
You won’t be happy until we’re eating dog food
Why would we eat dog food?
Have you ever eaten Australian meat? Its excellent top quality.
Your xenophobia at imports is weird, especially while seeing 27 other nations getting free access to export their meat to us zero tariffs, zero quotas.
They have lower standards then we do. 'OLB' post on PT has examples. Or if you want an even better authority - the best let's be honest - there's Mark Drakeford. But it won't bother you and that's perfectly understandable. This whole thing is bespoke tailored to push all your buttons.
Free trade. Free free free. No quotas or tariffs. Deregulated mangy beef. Don't like it? So don't eat it then. Problem solved. Choice. The market pure and simple. And omg Australia. Red on the map. Trad Commonwealth. Five eyes. FAMILY.
7th Heaven in other words.
I rarely succeed in changing your view on anything but I sometimes like to try. Not here though. It'd be too close to the bone.
"Mangy beef"?
I used to live there you forget, I grew up downunder.
American food is shit, when you talk about shit food and you're talking about American deals you have a point. Australian meat is top nosh. Great quality.
Has anyone on this site ever gone to Australia, eaten beef there and thought "urgh this is mangy dog food shit"? Don't be ridiculous.
As someone who has lived in the US and eats American cooking (as provided by the Wife) every day I beg to differ.
Fair point.
Kraft "cheese" and stuff like that probably doesn't do America's reputation much good. 😂
Like culture, the US exports the lowest common denominator, and keeps the good stuff for itself. Anyone who has been to New York City (or and of the large cities) and said "the food is shit here" probably spent whole trip in a hospital.
American food is rather like British food. Has a mediocre reputation worldwide, but in many big coastal cities you can get fantastic, innovative restaurant food, there's a great array of foreign cuisines, and in the first order cities - New York, LA (London in the UK) - the food can be some of the best in the world. America also has stand-out smaller food cities like New Orleans, which are as good as the best in Europe
Where America does fall down is in the flyover country, where you can drive for 100 miles and the only choice is fast food, literally. DAIRY QUEENS
And don't get me on to the cheese or charcuterie selection in, say, a Walmart in Mississippi. UGH
My wife's from New Haven, which is not flyover country but neither is it (excluding Yale) a big city, and you can get fantastic cheap sandwiches, pizzas, what have you in Italian Deli's on every corner. The equivalent in the UK would be Oxford or Cambridge where, admittedly, there are some great high end restaurants but you try finding a decent cheap sandwich.
What?! You can walk into any decent supermarket across the UK and get incredible sandwiches. It's one thing we do brilliantly. Tesco do a stilton and rare roast beef sandwich which is possibly the best sandwich I have ever had.
Waitrose, M&S, all superb
Pret is still pretty damn good
Much better than America, I think
Publix supermarket in US do the great freshly made sandwiches. Again like so much of US, it the extremes, Walmart vs Whole Foods / Publix.
The one thing that has definitely got better in the US over the past 20 years, the beer....it uses to be your choice of piss water like Budweiser everywhere...now craft ales are ubiquitous, even if less hipster parts of the US.
Budweiser is 5pc ABV, it's surely more the likes of Tennents/Carling at 4pc that can be described as "piss water"
The Truss's leadership prospects are surely in tatters. The Tories would never risk her - an absolutely vilified character within Britain's rural communities. Truss the Farmer's Cuss she'll be known as.
Dunno about that. The Tory members in the SE couldn’t give a damn about the farmers.
Everyone knows that the "countryside" is to stop plebs building houses, not for things like "farming". Don't be ridiculous.
I'm beginning to think some people don't know what "food security" means.
How does banning perfectly safe, perfectly scientific, well tested hormone supplements aid our food security?
Especially considering that the hormone supplement ban was protectionist unscientific bullshit that the EU imposed on us, as UK farmers were using hormone supplements until the EU instituted its ban that the UK opposed at the time in the Council of Ministers?
Maybe the UK farmer should just go back to doing what they were before the EU started meddling, and thus improve our food security?
Not hormones, but actually having farming and fishing industries at all in the Isles of Great Britain and Ireland.
Yes we have an industry, it represents all of 0.61% of UK GDP while taking up 70% of UK land.
Being made to compete with the rest of the world would force the industry to improve and become more efficient and more productive, just as happened with New Zealand when they eliminated their trade barriers and subsidies.
An improved and more efficient agriculture industry would improve our security, wouldn't it?
You won’t be happy until we’re eating dog food
Why would we eat dog food?
Have you ever eaten Australian meat? Its excellent top quality.
Your xenophobia at imports is weird, especially while seeing 27 other nations getting free access to export their meat to us zero tariffs, zero quotas.
They have lower standards then we do. 'OLB' post on PT has examples. Or if you want an even better authority - the best let's be honest - there's Mark Drakeford. But it won't bother you and that's perfectly understandable. This whole thing is bespoke tailored to push all your buttons.
Free trade. Free free free. No quotas or tariffs. Deregulated mangy beef. Don't like it? So don't eat it then. Problem solved. Choice. The market pure and simple. And omg Australia. Red on the map. Trad Commonwealth. Five eyes. FAMILY.
7th Heaven in other words.
I rarely succeed in changing your view on anything but I sometimes like to try. Not here though. It'd be too close to the bone.
"Mangy beef"?
I used to live there you forget, I grew up downunder.
American food is shit, when you talk about shit food and you're talking about American deals you have a point. Australian meat is top nosh. Great quality.
Has anyone on this site ever gone to Australia, eaten beef there and thought "urgh this is mangy dog food shit"? Don't be ridiculous.
As someone who has lived in the US and eats American cooking (as provided by the Wife) every day I beg to differ.
Fair point.
Kraft "cheese" and stuff like that probably doesn't do America's reputation much good. 😂
Like culture, the US exports the lowest common denominator, and keeps the good stuff for itself. Anyone who has been to New York City (or and of the large cities) and said "the food is shit here" probably spent whole trip in a hospital.
American food is rather like British food. Has a mediocre reputation worldwide, but in many big coastal cities you can get fantastic, innovative restaurant food, there's a great array of foreign cuisines, and in the first order cities - New York, LA (London in the UK) - the food can be some of the best in the world. America also has stand-out smaller food cities like New Orleans, which are as good as the best in Europe
Where America does fall down is in the flyover country, where you can drive for 100 miles and the only choice is fast food, literally. DAIRY QUEENS
And don't get me on to the cheese or charcuterie selection in, say, a Walmart in Mississippi. UGH
America its the processed stuff, it just so so so bad...fructose corn syrup in everything, crazy numbers of calories, fat, sugar etc. Its been creeping in here though over the past few years, increasingly products have the fructose corn syrup.
I usually spend a month a year there and have to be so careful with food, otherwise so easy to put on serious weight in no time.
Yes, the portions are obscene, I hate it. NO I DON'T WANT A KILO OF FRENCH FRIES WITH PROCESSED ORANGE "JACK" CHEESE ON TOP
I've read various theories about this inability to serve sane portions, my favourite is this: it derives from the backstory of early immigrants, who were often fleeing Famine - Ireland, Germany - and therefore Americans are hardwired to want LOTS of food, whatever it is
The best food thing in America - where it beats the world - is barbecues. They REALLY know how to do a barbie.
Helps that they actually have sunshine
Deep south pit BBQ is ace...not very vegan friendly though.
Yeah, Texan barbecue culture is amazing. But then you have to drive 600 miles to find a "reasonable" restaurant - ie one which doesn't deliberately serve huge piles of processed, sweetened, MSG-and-fructose-laced dreck
The Truss's leadership prospects are surely in tatters. The Tories would never risk her - an absolutely vilified character within Britain's rural communities. Truss the Farmer's Cuss she'll be known as.
Dunno about that. The Tory members in the SE couldn’t give a damn about the farmers.
Everyone knows that the "countryside" is to stop plebs building houses, not for things like "farming". Don't be ridiculous.
I'm beginning to think some people don't know what "food security" means.
How does banning perfectly safe, perfectly scientific, well tested hormone supplements aid our food security?
Especially considering that the hormone supplement ban was protectionist unscientific bullshit that the EU imposed on us, as UK farmers were using hormone supplements until the EU instituted its ban that the UK opposed at the time in the Council of Ministers?
Maybe the UK farmer should just go back to doing what they were before the EU started meddling, and thus improve our food security?
Not hormones, but actually having farming and fishing industries at all in the Isles of Great Britain and Ireland.
Yes we have an industry, it represents all of 0.61% of UK GDP while taking up 70% of UK land.
Being made to compete with the rest of the world would force the industry to improve and become more efficient and more productive, just as happened with New Zealand when they eliminated their trade barriers and subsidies.
An improved and more efficient agriculture industry would improve our security, wouldn't it?
You won’t be happy until we’re eating dog food
Why would we eat dog food?
Have you ever eaten Australian meat? Its excellent top quality.
Your xenophobia at imports is weird, especially while seeing 27 other nations getting free access to export their meat to us zero tariffs, zero quotas.
They have lower standards then we do. 'OLB' post on PT has examples. Or if you want an even better authority - the best let's be honest - there's Mark Drakeford. But it won't bother you and that's perfectly understandable. This whole thing is bespoke tailored to push all your buttons.
Free trade. Free free free. No quotas or tariffs. Deregulated mangy beef. Don't like it? So don't eat it then. Problem solved. Choice. The market pure and simple. And omg Australia. Red on the map. Trad Commonwealth. Five eyes. FAMILY.
7th Heaven in other words.
I rarely succeed in changing your view on anything but I sometimes like to try. Not here though. It'd be too close to the bone.
"Mangy beef"?
I used to live there you forget, I grew up downunder.
American food is shit, when you talk about shit food and you're talking about American deals you have a point. Australian meat is top nosh. Great quality.
Has anyone on this site ever gone to Australia, eaten beef there and thought "urgh this is mangy dog food shit"? Don't be ridiculous.
As someone who has lived in the US and eats American cooking (as provided by the Wife) every day I beg to differ.
I have a friend who - and you can know someone for 20 years and still be finding things out about them - it turns out is a massive fan of really top quality beef. He insists on American beef - reckons it far superior to British in almost all circumstances.
British meat is relatively shit.
I don't know why. But it is. Maybe its the lack of sunshine, maybe its in your head, but go to Australia, or America and the meat there just tastes better. My wife is from South Africa and she says the same thing, when she moved to the UK she stopped eating meat for a while, not because of any 'vegetarian' reason but because it was so disappointing compared to what she was used to in South Africa.
If British and Aussie meat was available at the same price next to each other in a supermarket, I'd be very tempted to go for the latter.
The Truss's leadership prospects are surely in tatters. The Tories would never risk her - an absolutely vilified character within Britain's rural communities. Truss the Farmer's Cuss she'll be known as.
Dunno about that. The Tory members in the SE couldn’t give a damn about the farmers.
Everyone knows that the "countryside" is to stop plebs building houses, not for things like "farming". Don't be ridiculous.
I'm beginning to think some people don't know what "food security" means.
How does banning perfectly safe, perfectly scientific, well tested hormone supplements aid our food security?
Especially considering that the hormone supplement ban was protectionist unscientific bullshit that the EU imposed on us, as UK farmers were using hormone supplements until the EU instituted its ban that the UK opposed at the time in the Council of Ministers?
Maybe the UK farmer should just go back to doing what they were before the EU started meddling, and thus improve our food security?
Not hormones, but actually having farming and fishing industries at all in the Isles of Great Britain and Ireland.
Yes we have an industry, it represents all of 0.61% of UK GDP while taking up 70% of UK land.
Being made to compete with the rest of the world would force the industry to improve and become more efficient and more productive, just as happened with New Zealand when they eliminated their trade barriers and subsidies.
An improved and more efficient agriculture industry would improve our security, wouldn't it?
You won’t be happy until we’re eating dog food
Why would we eat dog food?
Have you ever eaten Australian meat? Its excellent top quality.
Your xenophobia at imports is weird, especially while seeing 27 other nations getting free access to export their meat to us zero tariffs, zero quotas.
They have lower standards then we do. 'OLB' post on PT has examples. Or if you want an even better authority - the best let's be honest - there's Mark Drakeford. But it won't bother you and that's perfectly understandable. This whole thing is bespoke tailored to push all your buttons.
Free trade. Free free free. No quotas or tariffs. Deregulated mangy beef. Don't like it? So don't eat it then. Problem solved. Choice. The market pure and simple. And omg Australia. Red on the map. Trad Commonwealth. Five eyes. FAMILY.
7th Heaven in other words.
I rarely succeed in changing your view on anything but I sometimes like to try. Not here though. It'd be too close to the bone.
"Mangy beef"?
I used to live there you forget, I grew up downunder.
American food is shit, when you talk about shit food and you're talking about American deals you have a point. Australian meat is top nosh. Great quality.
Has anyone on this site ever gone to Australia, eaten beef there and thought "urgh this is mangy dog food shit"? Don't be ridiculous.
As someone who has lived in the US and eats American cooking (as provided by the Wife) every day I beg to differ.
Fair point.
Kraft "cheese" and stuff like that probably doesn't do America's reputation much good. 😂
Like culture, the US exports the lowest common denominator, and keeps the good stuff for itself. Anyone who has been to New York City (or and of the large cities) and said "the food is shit here" probably spent whole trip in a hospital.
American food is rather like British food. Has a mediocre reputation worldwide, but in many big coastal cities you can get fantastic, innovative restaurant food, there's a great array of foreign cuisines, and in the first order cities - New York, LA (London in the UK) - the food can be some of the best in the world. America also has stand-out smaller food cities like New Orleans, which are as good as the best in Europe
Where America does fall down is in the flyover country, where you can drive for 100 miles and the only choice is fast food, literally. DAIRY QUEENS
And don't get me on to the cheese or charcuterie selection in, say, a Walmart in Mississippi. UGH
My wife's from New Haven, which is not flyover country but neither is it (excluding Yale) a big city, and you can get fantastic cheap sandwiches, pizzas, what have you in Italian Deli's on every corner. The equivalent in the UK would be Oxford or Cambridge where, admittedly, there are some great high end restaurants but you try finding a decent cheap sandwich.
What?! You can walk into any decent supermarket across the UK and get incredible sandwiches. It's one thing we do brilliantly. Tesco do a stilton and rare roast beef sandwich which is possibly the best sandwich I have ever had.
Waitrose, M&S, all superb
Pret is still pretty damn good
Much better than America, I think
My wife is a big fan of a shop sandwich - Pret, Tesco, etc. Can't see the attraction myself. Perfectly adequate refuel food, but nothing to get excited about, and rarely as good as a sandwich actually made in the sandwich shop just before they sell it to you. We do do that quite well. But the Americans do too, to my memory. The best sandwich I ever had was from a sandwich shop in Leeds, in one of those little indoor parades of shops off Briggate. January 2008. Roast beef and marmalade.
The one thing that has definitely got better in the US over the past 20 years, the beer....it uses to be your choice of piss water like Budweiser everywhere...now craft ales are ubiquitous, even if less hipster parts of the US.
Budweiser is 5pc ABV, it's surely more the likes of Tennents/Carling at 4pc that can be described as "piss water"
The late, great Sir Terry described that type of beer as “love in a canoe”...
The Truss's leadership prospects are surely in tatters. The Tories would never risk her - an absolutely vilified character within Britain's rural communities. Truss the Farmer's Cuss she'll be known as.
Dunno about that. The Tory members in the SE couldn’t give a damn about the farmers.
Everyone knows that the "countryside" is to stop plebs building houses, not for things like "farming". Don't be ridiculous.
I'm beginning to think some people don't know what "food security" means.
How does banning perfectly safe, perfectly scientific, well tested hormone supplements aid our food security?
Especially considering that the hormone supplement ban was protectionist unscientific bullshit that the EU imposed on us, as UK farmers were using hormone supplements until the EU instituted its ban that the UK opposed at the time in the Council of Ministers?
Maybe the UK farmer should just go back to doing what they were before the EU started meddling, and thus improve our food security?
Not hormones, but actually having farming and fishing industries at all in the Isles of Great Britain and Ireland.
Yes we have an industry, it represents all of 0.61% of UK GDP while taking up 70% of UK land.
Being made to compete with the rest of the world would force the industry to improve and become more efficient and more productive, just as happened with New Zealand when they eliminated their trade barriers and subsidies.
An improved and more efficient agriculture industry would improve our security, wouldn't it?
You won’t be happy until we’re eating dog food
Why would we eat dog food?
Have you ever eaten Australian meat? Its excellent top quality.
Your xenophobia at imports is weird, especially while seeing 27 other nations getting free access to export their meat to us zero tariffs, zero quotas.
They have lower standards then we do. 'OLB' post on PT has examples. Or if you want an even better authority - the best let's be honest - there's Mark Drakeford. But it won't bother you and that's perfectly understandable. This whole thing is bespoke tailored to push all your buttons.
Free trade. Free free free. No quotas or tariffs. Deregulated mangy beef. Don't like it? So don't eat it then. Problem solved. Choice. The market pure and simple. And omg Australia. Red on the map. Trad Commonwealth. Five eyes. FAMILY.
7th Heaven in other words.
I rarely succeed in changing your view on anything but I sometimes like to try. Not here though. It'd be too close to the bone.
"Mangy beef"?
I used to live there you forget, I grew up downunder.
American food is shit, when you talk about shit food and you're talking about American deals you have a point. Australian meat is top nosh. Great quality.
Has anyone on this site ever gone to Australia, eaten beef there and thought "urgh this is mangy dog food shit"? Don't be ridiculous.
As someone who has lived in the US and eats American cooking (as provided by the Wife) every day I beg to differ.
Fair point.
Kraft "cheese" and stuff like that probably doesn't do America's reputation much good. 😂
Like culture, the US exports the lowest common denominator, and keeps the good stuff for itself. Anyone who has been to New York City (or and of the large cities) and said "the food is shit here" probably spent whole trip in a hospital.
American food is rather like British food. Has a mediocre reputation worldwide, but in many big coastal cities you can get fantastic, innovative restaurant food, there's a great array of foreign cuisines, and in the first order cities - New York, LA (London in the UK) - the food can be some of the best in the world. America also has stand-out smaller food cities like New Orleans, which are as good as the best in Europe
Where America does fall down is in the flyover country, where you can drive for 100 miles and the only choice is fast food, literally. DAIRY QUEENS
And don't get me on to the cheese or charcuterie selection in, say, a Walmart in Mississippi. UGH
I lived and worked in Boulder, Colorado for a few months during 2011, and I was actually surprised to find decent vegetarian food to take-away or eat-in over there (and several options to boot).
The Truss's leadership prospects are surely in tatters. The Tories would never risk her - an absolutely vilified character within Britain's rural communities. Truss the Farmer's Cuss she'll be known as.
Dunno about that. The Tory members in the SE couldn’t give a damn about the farmers.
Everyone knows that the "countryside" is to stop plebs building houses, not for things like "farming". Don't be ridiculous.
I'm beginning to think some people don't know what "food security" means.
How does banning perfectly safe, perfectly scientific, well tested hormone supplements aid our food security?
Especially considering that the hormone supplement ban was protectionist unscientific bullshit that the EU imposed on us, as UK farmers were using hormone supplements until the EU instituted its ban that the UK opposed at the time in the Council of Ministers?
Maybe the UK farmer should just go back to doing what they were before the EU started meddling, and thus improve our food security?
Not hormones, but actually having farming and fishing industries at all in the Isles of Great Britain and Ireland.
Yes we have an industry, it represents all of 0.61% of UK GDP while taking up 70% of UK land.
Being made to compete with the rest of the world would force the industry to improve and become more efficient and more productive, just as happened with New Zealand when they eliminated their trade barriers and subsidies.
An improved and more efficient agriculture industry would improve our security, wouldn't it?
You won’t be happy until we’re eating dog food
Why would we eat dog food?
Have you ever eaten Australian meat? Its excellent top quality.
Your xenophobia at imports is weird, especially while seeing 27 other nations getting free access to export their meat to us zero tariffs, zero quotas.
They have lower standards then we do. 'OLB' post on PT has examples. Or if you want an even better authority - the best let's be honest - there's Mark Drakeford. But it won't bother you and that's perfectly understandable. This whole thing is bespoke tailored to push all your buttons.
Free trade. Free free free. No quotas or tariffs. Deregulated mangy beef. Don't like it? So don't eat it then. Problem solved. Choice. The market pure and simple. And omg Australia. Red on the map. Trad Commonwealth. Five eyes. FAMILY.
7th Heaven in other words.
I rarely succeed in changing your view on anything but I sometimes like to try. Not here though. It'd be too close to the bone.
"Mangy beef"?
I used to live there you forget, I grew up downunder.
American food is shit, when you talk about shit food and you're talking about American deals you have a point. Australian meat is top nosh. Great quality.
Has anyone on this site ever gone to Australia, eaten beef there and thought "urgh this is mangy dog food shit"? Don't be ridiculous.
As someone who has lived in the US and eats American cooking (as provided by the Wife) every day I beg to differ.
Fair point.
Kraft "cheese" and stuff like that probably doesn't do America's reputation much good. 😂
Like culture, the US exports the lowest common denominator, and keeps the good stuff for itself. Anyone who has been to New York City (or and of the large cities) and said "the food is shit here" probably spent whole trip in a hospital.
American food is rather like British food. Has a mediocre reputation worldwide, but in many big coastal cities you can get fantastic, innovative restaurant food, there's a great array of foreign cuisines, and in the first order cities - New York, LA (London in the UK) - the food can be some of the best in the world. America also has stand-out smaller food cities like New Orleans, which are as good as the best in Europe
Where America does fall down is in the flyover country, where you can drive for 100 miles and the only choice is fast food, literally. DAIRY QUEENS
And don't get me on to the cheese or charcuterie selection in, say, a Walmart in Mississippi. UGH
My wife's from New Haven, which is not flyover country but neither is it (excluding Yale) a big city, and you can get fantastic cheap sandwiches, pizzas, what have you in Italian Deli's on every corner. The equivalent in the UK would be Oxford or Cambridge where, admittedly, there are some great high end restaurants but you try finding a decent cheap sandwich.
What?! You can walk into any decent supermarket across the UK and get incredible sandwiches. It's one thing we do brilliantly. Tesco do a stilton and rare roast beef sandwich which is possibly the best sandwich I have ever had.
Waitrose, M&S, all superb
Pret is still pretty damn good
Much better than America, I think
Publix supermarket in US do the great freshly made sandwiches. Again like so much of US, it the extremes, Walmart vs Whole Foods / Publix.
Whole Foods is a great store, albeit pricey (I have one on my London high street, I use it a lot)
But Whole Foods has about 300 outlets in America, and Walmart has 4,000+, so you are far more likely to end up buying dire purple "cheddar balls" in WalMart, than a nice Wisconsin Brie or Talleggio in Whole Foods
The Truss's leadership prospects are surely in tatters. The Tories would never risk her - an absolutely vilified character within Britain's rural communities. Truss the Farmer's Cuss she'll be known as.
Dunno about that. The Tory members in the SE couldn’t give a damn about the farmers.
Everyone knows that the "countryside" is to stop plebs building houses, not for things like "farming". Don't be ridiculous.
I'm beginning to think some people don't know what "food security" means.
How does banning perfectly safe, perfectly scientific, well tested hormone supplements aid our food security?
Especially considering that the hormone supplement ban was protectionist unscientific bullshit that the EU imposed on us, as UK farmers were using hormone supplements until the EU instituted its ban that the UK opposed at the time in the Council of Ministers?
Maybe the UK farmer should just go back to doing what they were before the EU started meddling, and thus improve our food security?
Not hormones, but actually having farming and fishing industries at all in the Isles of Great Britain and Ireland.
Yes we have an industry, it represents all of 0.61% of UK GDP while taking up 70% of UK land.
Being made to compete with the rest of the world would force the industry to improve and become more efficient and more productive, just as happened with New Zealand when they eliminated their trade barriers and subsidies.
An improved and more efficient agriculture industry would improve our security, wouldn't it?
You won’t be happy until we’re eating dog food
Why would we eat dog food?
Have you ever eaten Australian meat? Its excellent top quality.
Your xenophobia at imports is weird, especially while seeing 27 other nations getting free access to export their meat to us zero tariffs, zero quotas.
They have lower standards then we do. 'OLB' post on PT has examples. Or if you want an even better authority - the best let's be honest - there's Mark Drakeford. But it won't bother you and that's perfectly understandable. This whole thing is bespoke tailored to push all your buttons.
Free trade. Free free free. No quotas or tariffs. Deregulated mangy beef. Don't like it? So don't eat it then. Problem solved. Choice. The market pure and simple. And omg Australia. Red on the map. Trad Commonwealth. Five eyes. FAMILY.
7th Heaven in other words.
I rarely succeed in changing your view on anything but I sometimes like to try. Not here though. It'd be too close to the bone.
"Mangy beef"?
I used to live there you forget, I grew up downunder.
American food is shit, when you talk about shit food and you're talking about American deals you have a point. Australian meat is top nosh. Great quality.
Has anyone on this site ever gone to Australia, eaten beef there and thought "urgh this is mangy dog food shit"? Don't be ridiculous.
You’re clearly emotionally invested in this deal, given your Australian heritage.
Perhaps, just perhaps, you’re promoting a shit deal for your adopted country?
I have no Aussie heritage. I spent a few years there as a "POME Bastard" expat*.
The Truss's leadership prospects are surely in tatters. The Tories would never risk her - an absolutely vilified character within Britain's rural communities. Truss the Farmer's Cuss she'll be known as.
Dunno about that. The Tory members in the SE couldn’t give a damn about the farmers.
Everyone knows that the "countryside" is to stop plebs building houses, not for things like "farming". Don't be ridiculous.
I'm beginning to think some people don't know what "food security" means.
How does banning perfectly safe, perfectly scientific, well tested hormone supplements aid our food security?
Especially considering that the hormone supplement ban was protectionist unscientific bullshit that the EU imposed on us, as UK farmers were using hormone supplements until the EU instituted its ban that the UK opposed at the time in the Council of Ministers?
Maybe the UK farmer should just go back to doing what they were before the EU started meddling, and thus improve our food security?
Not hormones, but actually having farming and fishing industries at all in the Isles of Great Britain and Ireland.
Yes we have an industry, it represents all of 0.61% of UK GDP while taking up 70% of UK land.
Being made to compete with the rest of the world would force the industry to improve and become more efficient and more productive, just as happened with New Zealand when they eliminated their trade barriers and subsidies.
An improved and more efficient agriculture industry would improve our security, wouldn't it?
You won’t be happy until we’re eating dog food
Why would we eat dog food?
Have you ever eaten Australian meat? Its excellent top quality.
Your xenophobia at imports is weird, especially while seeing 27 other nations getting free access to export their meat to us zero tariffs, zero quotas.
They have lower standards then we do. 'OLB' post on PT has examples. Or if you want an even better authority - the best let's be honest - there's Mark Drakeford. But it won't bother you and that's perfectly understandable. This whole thing is bespoke tailored to push all your buttons.
Free trade. Free free free. No quotas or tariffs. Deregulated mangy beef. Don't like it? So don't eat it then. Problem solved. Choice. The market pure and simple. And omg Australia. Red on the map. Trad Commonwealth. Five eyes. FAMILY.
7th Heaven in other words.
I rarely succeed in changing your view on anything but I sometimes like to try. Not here though. It'd be too close to the bone.
"Mangy beef"?
I used to live there you forget, I grew up downunder.
American food is shit, when you talk about shit food and you're talking about American deals you have a point. Australian meat is top nosh. Great quality.
Has anyone on this site ever gone to Australia, eaten beef there and thought "urgh this is mangy dog food shit"? Don't be ridiculous.
As someone who has lived in the US and eats American cooking (as provided by the Wife) every day I beg to differ.
Fair point.
Kraft "cheese" and stuff like that probably doesn't do America's reputation much good. 😂
Like culture, the US exports the lowest common denominator, and keeps the good stuff for itself. Anyone who has been to New York City (or and of the large cities) and said "the food is shit here" probably spent whole trip in a hospital.
American food is rather like British food. Has a mediocre reputation worldwide, but in many big coastal cities you can get fantastic, innovative restaurant food, there's a great array of foreign cuisines, and in the first order cities - New York, LA (London in the UK) - the food can be some of the best in the world. America also has stand-out smaller food cities like New Orleans, which are as good as the best in Europe
Where America does fall down is in the flyover country, where you can drive for 100 miles and the only choice is fast food, literally. DAIRY QUEENS
And don't get me on to the cheese or charcuterie selection in, say, a Walmart in Mississippi. UGH
My wife's from New Haven, which is not flyover country but neither is it (excluding Yale) a big city, and you can get fantastic cheap sandwiches, pizzas, what have you in Italian Deli's on every corner. The equivalent in the UK would be Oxford or Cambridge where, admittedly, there are some great high end restaurants but you try finding a decent cheap sandwich.
What?! You can walk into any decent supermarket across the UK and get incredible sandwiches. It's one thing we do brilliantly. Tesco do a stilton and rare roast beef sandwich which is possibly the best sandwich I have ever had.
Waitrose, M&S, all superb
Pret is still pretty damn good
Much better than America, I think
My wife is a big fan of a shop sandwich - Pret, Tesco, etc. Can't see the attraction myself. Perfectly adequate refuel food, but nothing to get excited about, and rarely as good as a sandwich actually made in the sandwich shop just before they sell it to you. We do do that quite well. But the Americans do too, to my memory. The best sandwich I ever had was from a sandwich shop in Leeds, in one of those little indoor parades of shops off Briggate. January 2008. Roast beef and marmalade.
Supermarket Sandwiches used to be a bit meh - refuel food, as you say. Not bad but nothing amazing
They are honestly amazing now. I pulled into a service station on the M4 a few weeks ago and it had a little Waitrose. They did these chorizo with avocado and sriracha wraps, duck with hoison and spring onion tacos (or whatever, I forget the deets) - bloody delicious. Superb!
The Truss's leadership prospects are surely in tatters. The Tories would never risk her - an absolutely vilified character within Britain's rural communities. Truss the Farmer's Cuss she'll be known as.
Dunno about that. The Tory members in the SE couldn’t give a damn about the farmers.
Everyone knows that the "countryside" is to stop plebs building houses, not for things like "farming". Don't be ridiculous.
I'm beginning to think some people don't know what "food security" means.
How does banning perfectly safe, perfectly scientific, well tested hormone supplements aid our food security?
Especially considering that the hormone supplement ban was protectionist unscientific bullshit that the EU imposed on us, as UK farmers were using hormone supplements until the EU instituted its ban that the UK opposed at the time in the Council of Ministers?
Maybe the UK farmer should just go back to doing what they were before the EU started meddling, and thus improve our food security?
Not hormones, but actually having farming and fishing industries at all in the Isles of Great Britain and Ireland.
Yes we have an industry, it represents all of 0.61% of UK GDP while taking up 70% of UK land.
Being made to compete with the rest of the world would force the industry to improve and become more efficient and more productive, just as happened with New Zealand when they eliminated their trade barriers and subsidies.
An improved and more efficient agriculture industry would improve our security, wouldn't it?
You won’t be happy until we’re eating dog food
Why would we eat dog food?
Have you ever eaten Australian meat? Its excellent top quality.
Your xenophobia at imports is weird, especially while seeing 27 other nations getting free access to export their meat to us zero tariffs, zero quotas.
They have lower standards then we do. 'OLB' post on PT has examples. Or if you want an even better authority - the best let's be honest - there's Mark Drakeford. But it won't bother you and that's perfectly understandable. This whole thing is bespoke tailored to push all your buttons.
Free trade. Free free free. No quotas or tariffs. Deregulated mangy beef. Don't like it? So don't eat it then. Problem solved. Choice. The market pure and simple. And omg Australia. Red on the map. Trad Commonwealth. Five eyes. FAMILY.
7th Heaven in other words.
I rarely succeed in changing your view on anything but I sometimes like to try. Not here though. It'd be too close to the bone.
"Mangy beef"?
I used to live there you forget, I grew up downunder.
American food is shit, when you talk about shit food and you're talking about American deals you have a point. Australian meat is top nosh. Great quality.
Has anyone on this site ever gone to Australia, eaten beef there and thought "urgh this is mangy dog food shit"? Don't be ridiculous.
You’re clearly emotionally invested in this deal, given your Australian heritage.
Perhaps, just perhaps, you’re promoting a shit deal for your adopted country?
I have no Aussie heritage. I spent a few years there as a "POME Bastard" expat*.
*immigrant
Expat.
I was there on a temporary visa then returned home, there was never any intention to settle permanently nor a permanent visa. That's an expat.
The Truss's leadership prospects are surely in tatters. The Tories would never risk her - an absolutely vilified character within Britain's rural communities. Truss the Farmer's Cuss she'll be known as.
Dunno about that. The Tory members in the SE couldn’t give a damn about the farmers.
Everyone knows that the "countryside" is to stop plebs building houses, not for things like "farming". Don't be ridiculous.
I'm beginning to think some people don't know what "food security" means.
How does banning perfectly safe, perfectly scientific, well tested hormone supplements aid our food security?
Especially considering that the hormone supplement ban was protectionist unscientific bullshit that the EU imposed on us, as UK farmers were using hormone supplements until the EU instituted its ban that the UK opposed at the time in the Council of Ministers?
Maybe the UK farmer should just go back to doing what they were before the EU started meddling, and thus improve our food security?
Not hormones, but actually having farming and fishing industries at all in the Isles of Great Britain and Ireland.
Yes we have an industry, it represents all of 0.61% of UK GDP while taking up 70% of UK land.
Being made to compete with the rest of the world would force the industry to improve and become more efficient and more productive, just as happened with New Zealand when they eliminated their trade barriers and subsidies.
An improved and more efficient agriculture industry would improve our security, wouldn't it?
You won’t be happy until we’re eating dog food
Why would we eat dog food?
Have you ever eaten Australian meat? Its excellent top quality.
Your xenophobia at imports is weird, especially while seeing 27 other nations getting free access to export their meat to us zero tariffs, zero quotas.
They have lower standards then we do. 'OLB' post on PT has examples. Or if you want an even better authority - the best let's be honest - there's Mark Drakeford. But it won't bother you and that's perfectly understandable. This whole thing is bespoke tailored to push all your buttons.
Free trade. Free free free. No quotas or tariffs. Deregulated mangy beef. Don't like it? So don't eat it then. Problem solved. Choice. The market pure and simple. And omg Australia. Red on the map. Trad Commonwealth. Five eyes. FAMILY.
7th Heaven in other words.
I rarely succeed in changing your view on anything but I sometimes like to try. Not here though. It'd be too close to the bone.
"Mangy beef"?
I used to live there you forget, I grew up downunder.
American food is shit, when you talk about shit food and you're talking about American deals you have a point. Australian meat is top nosh. Great quality.
Has anyone on this site ever gone to Australia, eaten beef there and thought "urgh this is mangy dog food shit"? Don't be ridiculous.
As someone who has lived in the US and eats American cooking (as provided by the Wife) every day I beg to differ.
I have a friend who - and you can know someone for 20 years and still be finding things out about them - it turns out is a massive fan of really top quality beef. He insists on American beef - reckons it far superior to British in almost all circumstances.
British meat is relatively shit.
I don't know why. But it is. Maybe its the lack of sunshine, maybe its in your head, but go to Australia, or America and the meat there just tastes better. My wife is from South Africa and she says the same thing, when she moved to the UK she stopped eating meat for a while, not because of any 'vegetarian' reason but because it was so disappointing compared to what she was used to in South Africa.
If British and Aussie meat was available at the same price next to each other in a supermarket, I'd be very tempted to go for the latter.
I haven't done a scientific study of this but I tend to agree. I think the UK meat tends to a higher fat content, possibly because our lousy climate encourages that in the animals and our smaller fields means they don't move around as much. Leaner, firmer beef is better in the same way that free range chicken tastes much better than factory farmed.
I have just realised why Scotland going with this name....the health minister in Scotland is now that dickhead behind the hate crime bill who raged againat why so many top jobs in 96% white scotland were held by white people....
The Truss's leadership prospects are surely in tatters. The Tories would never risk her - an absolutely vilified character within Britain's rural communities. Truss the Farmer's Cuss she'll be known as.
Dunno about that. The Tory members in the SE couldn’t give a damn about the farmers.
Everyone knows that the "countryside" is to stop plebs building houses, not for things like "farming". Don't be ridiculous.
I'm beginning to think some people don't know what "food security" means.
How does banning perfectly safe, perfectly scientific, well tested hormone supplements aid our food security?
Especially considering that the hormone supplement ban was protectionist unscientific bullshit that the EU imposed on us, as UK farmers were using hormone supplements until the EU instituted its ban that the UK opposed at the time in the Council of Ministers?
Maybe the UK farmer should just go back to doing what they were before the EU started meddling, and thus improve our food security?
Not hormones, but actually having farming and fishing industries at all in the Isles of Great Britain and Ireland.
Yes we have an industry, it represents all of 0.61% of UK GDP while taking up 70% of UK land.
Being made to compete with the rest of the world would force the industry to improve and become more efficient and more productive, just as happened with New Zealand when they eliminated their trade barriers and subsidies.
An improved and more efficient agriculture industry would improve our security, wouldn't it?
You won’t be happy until we’re eating dog food
Why would we eat dog food?
Have you ever eaten Australian meat? Its excellent top quality.
Your xenophobia at imports is weird, especially while seeing 27 other nations getting free access to export their meat to us zero tariffs, zero quotas.
They have lower standards then we do. 'OLB' post on PT has examples. Or if you want an even better authority - the best let's be honest - there's Mark Drakeford. But it won't bother you and that's perfectly understandable. This whole thing is bespoke tailored to push all your buttons.
Free trade. Free free free. No quotas or tariffs. Deregulated mangy beef. Don't like it? So don't eat it then. Problem solved. Choice. The market pure and simple. And omg Australia. Red on the map. Trad Commonwealth. Five eyes. FAMILY.
7th Heaven in other words.
I rarely succeed in changing your view on anything but I sometimes like to try. Not here though. It'd be too close to the bone.
"Mangy beef"?
I used to live there you forget, I grew up downunder.
American food is shit, when you talk about shit food and you're talking about American deals you have a point. Australian meat is top nosh. Great quality.
Has anyone on this site ever gone to Australia, eaten beef there and thought "urgh this is mangy dog food shit"? Don't be ridiculous.
As someone who has lived in the US and eats American cooking (as provided by the Wife) every day I beg to differ.
I have a friend who - and you can know someone for 20 years and still be finding things out about them - it turns out is a massive fan of really top quality beef. He insists on American beef - reckons it far superior to British in almost all circumstances.
British meat is relatively shit.
I don't know why. But it is. Maybe its the lack of sunshine, maybe its in your head, but go to Australia, or America and the meat there just tastes better. My wife is from South Africa and she says the same thing, when she moved to the UK she stopped eating meat for a while, not because of any 'vegetarian' reason but because it was so disappointing compared to what she was used to in South Africa.
If British and Aussie meat was available at the same price next to each other in a supermarket, I'd be very tempted to go for the latter.
My local Marks and Spencer is now selling British-reared wagyu ribeye steaks. Wow. Wow wow wow.
On the other hand they are about £20 each, so there's that
I honestly can't tell the difference between a cheap British steak and the same in Aussie or America - or across Europe. It tastes like OK-ish cheap steak. Because that's what it is. They are now factory farmed in the same way with the same feed across the world, so it makes sense there is no sizeable variation in quality.
Argentina is the one exception. Their food is generally shit, but the steaks are yum
The Truss's leadership prospects are surely in tatters. The Tories would never risk her - an absolutely vilified character within Britain's rural communities. Truss the Farmer's Cuss she'll be known as.
Dunno about that. The Tory members in the SE couldn’t give a damn about the farmers.
Everyone knows that the "countryside" is to stop plebs building houses, not for things like "farming". Don't be ridiculous.
I'm beginning to think some people don't know what "food security" means.
How does banning perfectly safe, perfectly scientific, well tested hormone supplements aid our food security?
Especially considering that the hormone supplement ban was protectionist unscientific bullshit that the EU imposed on us, as UK farmers were using hormone supplements until the EU instituted its ban that the UK opposed at the time in the Council of Ministers?
Maybe the UK farmer should just go back to doing what they were before the EU started meddling, and thus improve our food security?
Not hormones, but actually having farming and fishing industries at all in the Isles of Great Britain and Ireland.
Yes we have an industry, it represents all of 0.61% of UK GDP while taking up 70% of UK land.
Being made to compete with the rest of the world would force the industry to improve and become more efficient and more productive, just as happened with New Zealand when they eliminated their trade barriers and subsidies.
An improved and more efficient agriculture industry would improve our security, wouldn't it?
You won’t be happy until we’re eating dog food
Why would we eat dog food?
Have you ever eaten Australian meat? Its excellent top quality.
Your xenophobia at imports is weird, especially while seeing 27 other nations getting free access to export their meat to us zero tariffs, zero quotas.
They have lower standards then we do. 'OLB' post on PT has examples. Or if you want an even better authority - the best let's be honest - there's Mark Drakeford. But it won't bother you and that's perfectly understandable. This whole thing is bespoke tailored to push all your buttons.
Free trade. Free free free. No quotas or tariffs. Deregulated mangy beef. Don't like it? So don't eat it then. Problem solved. Choice. The market pure and simple. And omg Australia. Red on the map. Trad Commonwealth. Five eyes. FAMILY.
7th Heaven in other words.
I rarely succeed in changing your view on anything but I sometimes like to try. Not here though. It'd be too close to the bone.
"Mangy beef"?
I used to live there you forget, I grew up downunder.
American food is shit, when you talk about shit food and you're talking about American deals you have a point. Australian meat is top nosh. Great quality.
Has anyone on this site ever gone to Australia, eaten beef there and thought "urgh this is mangy dog food shit"? Don't be ridiculous.
As someone who has lived in the US and eats American cooking (as provided by the Wife) every day I beg to differ.
Fair point.
Kraft "cheese" and stuff like that probably doesn't do America's reputation much good. 😂
Like culture, the US exports the lowest common denominator, and keeps the good stuff for itself. Anyone who has been to New York City (or and of the large cities) and said "the food is shit here" probably spent whole trip in a hospital.
American food is rather like British food. Has a mediocre reputation worldwide, but in many big coastal cities you can get fantastic, innovative restaurant food, there's a great array of foreign cuisines, and in the first order cities - New York, LA (London in the UK) - the food can be some of the best in the world. America also has stand-out smaller food cities like New Orleans, which are as good as the best in Europe
Where America does fall down is in the flyover country, where you can drive for 100 miles and the only choice is fast food, literally. DAIRY QUEENS
And don't get me on to the cheese or charcuterie selection in, say, a Walmart in Mississippi. UGH
America its the processed stuff, it just so so so bad...fructose corn syrup in everything, crazy numbers of calories, fat, sugar etc. Its been creeping in here though over the past few years, increasingly products have the fructose corn syrup.
I usually spend a month a year there and have to be so careful with food, otherwise so easy to put on serious weight in no time.
Yes, the portions are obscene, I hate it. NO I DON'T WANT A KILO OF FRENCH FRIES WITH PROCESSED ORANGE "JACK" CHEESE ON TOP
I've read various theories about this inability to serve sane portions, my favourite is this: it derives from the backstory of early immigrants, who were often fleeing Famine - Ireland, Germany - and therefore Americans are hardwired to want LOTS of food, whatever it is
The best food thing in America - where it beats the world - is barbecues. They REALLY know how to do a barbie.
Helps that they actually have sunshine
Leon – I agree 100% with your analyses of food in the US: the great, the bad, and the ugly.
Have you seen Chef's Table BBQ on Netflix yet? UHD and an absolutely beautiful series. You will love it.
I have just realised why Scotland going with this name....the health minister in Scotland is now that dickhead behind the hate crime bill who raged againat why so many top jobs in 96% white scotland were held by white people....
Look, he's no longer in charge of justice. Just rejoice at that news...
I have just realised why Scotland going with this name....the health minister in Scotland is now that dickhead behind the hate crime bill who raged againat why so many top jobs in 96% white scotland were held by white people....
It'll be like the poll tax. Eventually Sturgeon will slip up and say Indian variant.
Around the late 50s, two or three of us undergrads would occasionally visit home, driving from Pasadena to Chicago in a couple of days stopping only for piss, petrol, coffee, and food. For the last two our preference was for those little kiosks in the middle of nowhere. At that time they were having an ersatz price war for the number of hamburgers you could get for a dollar. Five seemed to be the best effort. They must have used rolling pins to flatten the mince to paper thinness, but that was probably healthier, and anyway I'm an eating machine, 'though I do appreciate good food.
The Truss's leadership prospects are surely in tatters. The Tories would never risk her - an absolutely vilified character within Britain's rural communities. Truss the Farmer's Cuss she'll be known as.
Dunno about that. The Tory members in the SE couldn’t give a damn about the farmers.
Everyone knows that the "countryside" is to stop plebs building houses, not for things like "farming". Don't be ridiculous.
I'm beginning to think some people don't know what "food security" means.
How does banning perfectly safe, perfectly scientific, well tested hormone supplements aid our food security?
Especially considering that the hormone supplement ban was protectionist unscientific bullshit that the EU imposed on us, as UK farmers were using hormone supplements until the EU instituted its ban that the UK opposed at the time in the Council of Ministers?
Maybe the UK farmer should just go back to doing what they were before the EU started meddling, and thus improve our food security?
Not hormones, but actually having farming and fishing industries at all in the Isles of Great Britain and Ireland.
Yes we have an industry, it represents all of 0.61% of UK GDP while taking up 70% of UK land.
Being made to compete with the rest of the world would force the industry to improve and become more efficient and more productive, just as happened with New Zealand when they eliminated their trade barriers and subsidies.
An improved and more efficient agriculture industry would improve our security, wouldn't it?
You won’t be happy until we’re eating dog food
Why would we eat dog food?
Have you ever eaten Australian meat? Its excellent top quality.
Your xenophobia at imports is weird, especially while seeing 27 other nations getting free access to export their meat to us zero tariffs, zero quotas.
They have lower standards then we do. 'OLB' post on PT has examples. Or if you want an even better authority - the best let's be honest - there's Mark Drakeford. But it won't bother you and that's perfectly understandable. This whole thing is bespoke tailored to push all your buttons.
Free trade. Free free free. No quotas or tariffs. Deregulated mangy beef. Don't like it? So don't eat it then. Problem solved. Choice. The market pure and simple. And omg Australia. Red on the map. Trad Commonwealth. Five eyes. FAMILY.
7th Heaven in other words.
I rarely succeed in changing your view on anything but I sometimes like to try. Not here though. It'd be too close to the bone.
"Mangy beef"?
I used to live there you forget, I grew up downunder.
American food is shit, when you talk about shit food and you're talking about American deals you have a point. Australian meat is top nosh. Great quality.
Has anyone on this site ever gone to Australia, eaten beef there and thought "urgh this is mangy dog food shit"? Don't be ridiculous.
As someone who has lived in the US and eats American cooking (as provided by the Wife) every day I beg to differ.
I have a friend who - and you can know someone for 20 years and still be finding things out about them - it turns out is a massive fan of really top quality beef. He insists on American beef - reckons it far superior to British in almost all circumstances.
British meat is relatively shit.
I don't know why. But it is. Maybe its the lack of sunshine, maybe its in your head, but go to Australia, or America and the meat there just tastes better. My wife is from South Africa and she says the same thing, when she moved to the UK she stopped eating meat for a while, not because of any 'vegetarian' reason but because it was so disappointing compared to what she was used to in South Africa.
If British and Aussie meat was available at the same price next to each other in a supermarket, I'd be very tempted to go for the latter.
I haven't done a scientific study of this but I tend to agree. I think the UK meat tends to a higher fat content, possibly because our lousy climate encourages that in the animals and our smaller fields means they don't move around as much. Leaner, firmer beef is better in the same way that free range chicken tastes much better than factory farmed.
A large part of British beef is exhausted dairy cattle rather than breeds bred for beef. British beef breeds such as Aberdeen Angus are as good as any in the world, but you do have to pay out.
''..........And don't get me on to the cheese or charcuterie selection in, say, a Walmart in Mississippi. UGH....''
that could literally be a line said by Jez or Quinn from 'Its Grim Up North London''
Nope. Leon is right. The food in mainstream supermarkets in the States is almost universally awful. Absolute shite. That is not to say one cannot eat well in America – as he and Francis have also said, there is some fantastic dining if you know where to look.
The Truss's leadership prospects are surely in tatters. The Tories would never risk her - an absolutely vilified character within Britain's rural communities. Truss the Farmer's Cuss she'll be known as.
Dunno about that. The Tory members in the SE couldn’t give a damn about the farmers.
Everyone knows that the "countryside" is to stop plebs building houses, not for things like "farming". Don't be ridiculous.
I'm beginning to think some people don't know what "food security" means.
How does banning perfectly safe, perfectly scientific, well tested hormone supplements aid our food security?
Especially considering that the hormone supplement ban was protectionist unscientific bullshit that the EU imposed on us, as UK farmers were using hormone supplements until the EU instituted its ban that the UK opposed at the time in the Council of Ministers?
Maybe the UK farmer should just go back to doing what they were before the EU started meddling, and thus improve our food security?
Not hormones, but actually having farming and fishing industries at all in the Isles of Great Britain and Ireland.
Yes we have an industry, it represents all of 0.61% of UK GDP while taking up 70% of UK land.
Being made to compete with the rest of the world would force the industry to improve and become more efficient and more productive, just as happened with New Zealand when they eliminated their trade barriers and subsidies.
An improved and more efficient agriculture industry would improve our security, wouldn't it?
You won’t be happy until we’re eating dog food
Why would we eat dog food?
Have you ever eaten Australian meat? Its excellent top quality.
Your xenophobia at imports is weird, especially while seeing 27 other nations getting free access to export their meat to us zero tariffs, zero quotas.
They have lower standards then we do. 'OLB' post on PT has examples. Or if you want an even better authority - the best let's be honest - there's Mark Drakeford. But it won't bother you and that's perfectly understandable. This whole thing is bespoke tailored to push all your buttons.
Free trade. Free free free. No quotas or tariffs. Deregulated mangy beef. Don't like it? So don't eat it then. Problem solved. Choice. The market pure and simple. And omg Australia. Red on the map. Trad Commonwealth. Five eyes. FAMILY.
7th Heaven in other words.
I rarely succeed in changing your view on anything but I sometimes like to try. Not here though. It'd be too close to the bone.
"Mangy beef"?
I used to live there you forget, I grew up downunder.
American food is shit, when you talk about shit food and you're talking about American deals you have a point. Australian meat is top nosh. Great quality.
Has anyone on this site ever gone to Australia, eaten beef there and thought "urgh this is mangy dog food shit"? Don't be ridiculous.
As someone who has lived in the US and eats American cooking (as provided by the Wife) every day I beg to differ.
I have a friend who - and you can know someone for 20 years and still be finding things out about them - it turns out is a massive fan of really top quality beef. He insists on American beef - reckons it far superior to British in almost all circumstances.
British meat is relatively shit.
I don't know why. But it is. Maybe its the lack of sunshine, maybe its in your head, but go to Australia, or America and the meat there just tastes better. My wife is from South Africa and she says the same thing, when she moved to the UK she stopped eating meat for a while, not because of any 'vegetarian' reason but because it was so disappointing compared to what she was used to in South Africa.
If British and Aussie meat was available at the same price next to each other in a supermarket, I'd be very tempted to go for the latter.
I haven't done a scientific study of this but I tend to agree. I think the UK meat tends to a higher fat content, possibly because our lousy climate encourages that in the animals and our smaller fields means they don't move around as much. Leaner, firmer beef is better in the same way that free range chicken tastes much better than factory farmed.
This is utter nonsense. The flavour in meat COMES from the fat. Everyone knows this. That's why a well marbled ribeye costs more than a boring rump, and why a Wagyu costs ten times more. The fat
"One of the best food-experiences is Wagyu Beef from Japan. For the American palate, flavorful beef needs to have at least 3-percent of fat. Wagyu is well above 20-percent. While this delectable protein is renowned for its marbling and amazing flavor, did you also know that it's packed full of nutrition?"
The Truss's leadership prospects are surely in tatters. The Tories would never risk her - an absolutely vilified character within Britain's rural communities. Truss the Farmer's Cuss she'll be known as.
Dunno about that. The Tory members in the SE couldn’t give a damn about the farmers.
Everyone knows that the "countryside" is to stop plebs building houses, not for things like "farming". Don't be ridiculous.
I'm beginning to think some people don't know what "food security" means.
How does banning perfectly safe, perfectly scientific, well tested hormone supplements aid our food security?
Especially considering that the hormone supplement ban was protectionist unscientific bullshit that the EU imposed on us, as UK farmers were using hormone supplements until the EU instituted its ban that the UK opposed at the time in the Council of Ministers?
Maybe the UK farmer should just go back to doing what they were before the EU started meddling, and thus improve our food security?
Not hormones, but actually having farming and fishing industries at all in the Isles of Great Britain and Ireland.
Yes we have an industry, it represents all of 0.61% of UK GDP while taking up 70% of UK land.
Being made to compete with the rest of the world would force the industry to improve and become more efficient and more productive, just as happened with New Zealand when they eliminated their trade barriers and subsidies.
An improved and more efficient agriculture industry would improve our security, wouldn't it?
You won’t be happy until we’re eating dog food
Why would we eat dog food?
Have you ever eaten Australian meat? Its excellent top quality.
Your xenophobia at imports is weird, especially while seeing 27 other nations getting free access to export their meat to us zero tariffs, zero quotas.
They have lower standards then we do. 'OLB' post on PT has examples. Or if you want an even better authority - the best let's be honest - there's Mark Drakeford. But it won't bother you and that's perfectly understandable. This whole thing is bespoke tailored to push all your buttons.
Free trade. Free free free. No quotas or tariffs. Deregulated mangy beef. Don't like it? So don't eat it then. Problem solved. Choice. The market pure and simple. And omg Australia. Red on the map. Trad Commonwealth. Five eyes. FAMILY.
7th Heaven in other words.
I rarely succeed in changing your view on anything but I sometimes like to try. Not here though. It'd be too close to the bone.
"Mangy beef"?
I used to live there you forget, I grew up downunder.
American food is shit, when you talk about shit food and you're talking about American deals you have a point. Australian meat is top nosh. Great quality.
Has anyone on this site ever gone to Australia, eaten beef there and thought "urgh this is mangy dog food shit"? Don't be ridiculous.
As someone who has lived in the US and eats American cooking (as provided by the Wife) every day I beg to differ.
Fair point.
Kraft "cheese" and stuff like that probably doesn't do America's reputation much good. 😂
Like culture, the US exports the lowest common denominator, and keeps the good stuff for itself. Anyone who has been to New York City (or and of the large cities) and said "the food is shit here" probably spent whole trip in a hospital.
American food is rather like British food. Has a mediocre reputation worldwide, but in many big coastal cities you can get fantastic, innovative restaurant food, there's a great array of foreign cuisines, and in the first order cities - New York, LA (London in the UK) - the food can be some of the best in the world. America also has stand-out smaller food cities like New Orleans, which are as good as the best in Europe
Where America does fall down is in the flyover country, where you can drive for 100 miles and the only choice is fast food, literally. DAIRY QUEENS
And don't get me on to the cheese or charcuterie selection in, say, a Walmart in Mississippi. UGH
I lived and worked in Boulder, Colorado for a few months during 2011, and I was actually surprised to find decent vegetarian food to take-away or eat-in over there (and several options to boot).
The Truss's leadership prospects are surely in tatters. The Tories would never risk her - an absolutely vilified character within Britain's rural communities. Truss the Farmer's Cuss she'll be known as.
Dunno about that. The Tory members in the SE couldn’t give a damn about the farmers.
Everyone knows that the "countryside" is to stop plebs building houses, not for things like "farming". Don't be ridiculous.
I'm beginning to think some people don't know what "food security" means.
How does banning perfectly safe, perfectly scientific, well tested hormone supplements aid our food security?
Especially considering that the hormone supplement ban was protectionist unscientific bullshit that the EU imposed on us, as UK farmers were using hormone supplements until the EU instituted its ban that the UK opposed at the time in the Council of Ministers?
Maybe the UK farmer should just go back to doing what they were before the EU started meddling, and thus improve our food security?
Not hormones, but actually having farming and fishing industries at all in the Isles of Great Britain and Ireland.
Yes we have an industry, it represents all of 0.61% of UK GDP while taking up 70% of UK land.
Being made to compete with the rest of the world would force the industry to improve and become more efficient and more productive, just as happened with New Zealand when they eliminated their trade barriers and subsidies.
An improved and more efficient agriculture industry would improve our security, wouldn't it?
You won’t be happy until we’re eating dog food
Why would we eat dog food?
Have you ever eaten Australian meat? Its excellent top quality.
Your xenophobia at imports is weird, especially while seeing 27 other nations getting free access to export their meat to us zero tariffs, zero quotas.
They have lower standards then we do. 'OLB' post on PT has examples. Or if you want an even better authority - the best let's be honest - there's Mark Drakeford. But it won't bother you and that's perfectly understandable. This whole thing is bespoke tailored to push all your buttons.
Free trade. Free free free. No quotas or tariffs. Deregulated mangy beef. Don't like it? So don't eat it then. Problem solved. Choice. The market pure and simple. And omg Australia. Red on the map. Trad Commonwealth. Five eyes. FAMILY.
7th Heaven in other words.
I rarely succeed in changing your view on anything but I sometimes like to try. Not here though. It'd be too close to the bone.
"Mangy beef"?
I used to live there you forget, I grew up downunder.
American food is shit, when you talk about shit food and you're talking about American deals you have a point. Australian meat is top nosh. Great quality.
Has anyone on this site ever gone to Australia, eaten beef there and thought "urgh this is mangy dog food shit"? Don't be ridiculous.
As someone who has lived in the US and eats American cooking (as provided by the Wife) every day I beg to differ.
I have a friend who - and you can know someone for 20 years and still be finding things out about them - it turns out is a massive fan of really top quality beef. He insists on American beef - reckons it far superior to British in almost all circumstances.
British meat is relatively shit.
I don't know why. But it is. Maybe its the lack of sunshine, maybe its in your head, but go to Australia, or America and the meat there just tastes better. My wife is from South Africa and she says the same thing, when she moved to the UK she stopped eating meat for a while, not because of any 'vegetarian' reason but because it was so disappointing compared to what she was used to in South Africa.
If British and Aussie meat was available at the same price next to each other in a supermarket, I'd be very tempted to go for the latter.
I haven't done a scientific study of this but I tend to agree. I think the UK meat tends to a higher fat content, possibly because our lousy climate encourages that in the animals and our smaller fields means they don't move around as much. Leaner, firmer beef is better in the same way that free range chicken tastes much better than factory farmed.
That's actually a really good explanation! It makes sense.
Why does agriculture take up so much land? Perhaps you need land to grow soy to feed to cows to turn into burgers? Think about how much more efficient things would be if we concrete over the farms and turn them into nice office parks full of people mining Britcoin which we then use to buy food grown by foreign wasters happy to be inefficient.
Yes, a sure way to a secure and prosperous future.
Yep, the UK dedicates 71.7% of land to agricultural use in order to generate 0.61% of UK GDP.
In contrast Sweden uses 6.5% of its land for agriculture to generate 1.44% of GDP.
Norway uses 2.7% of land to agricultural use in order to generate 1.93% of GDP.
I think their definition of agricultural land may be different. In theory all of northern Scandinavia could be designated as 'farmland' because it is used for reindeer grazing.
In any case, all that tells us is that Scandinavia is not heavily populated.
Can you name any heavily populated nation on the planet that so inefficiently wastes 71% of its land to generate below 1% of GDP?
Japan would probably be more comparable to the UK. They dedicated 12% of land to agriculture and they get 1.14% of GDP from agriculture.
Why is ours so inefficient compared to everyone else?
Question - when you say "agricultural land" do include hills and fells used for open sheep grazing?
And are our grouse moors "agricultural land" or not? Does Sweden (and the UK) include its fishing industries? On what basis? These kinds of statistics are not uninteresting but are going to be riddled with inconsistencies.
Not to mention that percentage of GDP is an odd choice too. Suppose there were a pandemic that shut down half the country. If GDP shrinks then just by standing still, agriculture's share will rise.
Come to that, is land area the most useful input statistic? Why not money or number of people?
That said, aiui British agricultural inefficiency is often heralded as a good thing for biodiversity because our farms have small fields with hedges, whereas America and even more so Australia have single fields the size of cities. And Canada and Scandinavia grow planks of wood and Christmas trees.
But in any case, if we do close all the farms, what will we do instead? Surely the real @Philip_Thompson would say we should take no action at all because if there were a better, more efficient, alternative use for this land, the market will already have taken care of it or, at a pinch, will do so soon.
The Truss's leadership prospects are surely in tatters. The Tories would never risk her - an absolutely vilified character within Britain's rural communities. Truss the Farmer's Cuss she'll be known as.
Dunno about that. The Tory members in the SE couldn’t give a damn about the farmers.
Everyone knows that the "countryside" is to stop plebs building houses, not for things like "farming". Don't be ridiculous.
I'm beginning to think some people don't know what "food security" means.
How does banning perfectly safe, perfectly scientific, well tested hormone supplements aid our food security?
Especially considering that the hormone supplement ban was protectionist unscientific bullshit that the EU imposed on us, as UK farmers were using hormone supplements until the EU instituted its ban that the UK opposed at the time in the Council of Ministers?
Maybe the UK farmer should just go back to doing what they were before the EU started meddling, and thus improve our food security?
Not hormones, but actually having farming and fishing industries at all in the Isles of Great Britain and Ireland.
Yes we have an industry, it represents all of 0.61% of UK GDP while taking up 70% of UK land.
Being made to compete with the rest of the world would force the industry to improve and become more efficient and more productive, just as happened with New Zealand when they eliminated their trade barriers and subsidies.
An improved and more efficient agriculture industry would improve our security, wouldn't it?
You won’t be happy until we’re eating dog food
Why would we eat dog food?
Have you ever eaten Australian meat? Its excellent top quality.
Your xenophobia at imports is weird, especially while seeing 27 other nations getting free access to export their meat to us zero tariffs, zero quotas.
They have lower standards then we do. 'OLB' post on PT has examples. Or if you want an even better authority - the best let's be honest - there's Mark Drakeford. But it won't bother you and that's perfectly understandable. This whole thing is bespoke tailored to push all your buttons.
Free trade. Free free free. No quotas or tariffs. Deregulated mangy beef. Don't like it? So don't eat it then. Problem solved. Choice. The market pure and simple. And omg Australia. Red on the map. Trad Commonwealth. Five eyes. FAMILY.
7th Heaven in other words.
I rarely succeed in changing your view on anything but I sometimes like to try. Not here though. It'd be too close to the bone.
"Mangy beef"?
I used to live there you forget, I grew up downunder.
American food is shit, when you talk about shit food and you're talking about American deals you have a point. Australian meat is top nosh. Great quality.
Has anyone on this site ever gone to Australia, eaten beef there and thought "urgh this is mangy dog food shit"? Don't be ridiculous.
As someone who has lived in the US and eats American cooking (as provided by the Wife) every day I beg to differ.
I have a friend who - and you can know someone for 20 years and still be finding things out about them - it turns out is a massive fan of really top quality beef. He insists on American beef - reckons it far superior to British in almost all circumstances.
British meat is relatively shit.
I don't know why. But it is. Maybe its the lack of sunshine, maybe its in your head, but go to Australia, or America and the meat there just tastes better. My wife is from South Africa and she says the same thing, when she moved to the UK she stopped eating meat for a while, not because of any 'vegetarian' reason but because it was so disappointing compared to what she was used to in South Africa.
If British and Aussie meat was available at the same price next to each other in a supermarket, I'd be very tempted to go for the latter.
I guess it depends on who you're buying from, I get most of my stuff from a butcher shop and the quality is amazing but it's probably 20-30% more expensive than the supermarket.
The Truss's leadership prospects are surely in tatters. The Tories would never risk her - an absolutely vilified character within Britain's rural communities. Truss the Farmer's Cuss she'll be known as.
Dunno about that. The Tory members in the SE couldn’t give a damn about the farmers.
Everyone knows that the "countryside" is to stop plebs building houses, not for things like "farming". Don't be ridiculous.
I'm beginning to think some people don't know what "food security" means.
How does banning perfectly safe, perfectly scientific, well tested hormone supplements aid our food security?
Especially considering that the hormone supplement ban was protectionist unscientific bullshit that the EU imposed on us, as UK farmers were using hormone supplements until the EU instituted its ban that the UK opposed at the time in the Council of Ministers?
Maybe the UK farmer should just go back to doing what they were before the EU started meddling, and thus improve our food security?
Not hormones, but actually having farming and fishing industries at all in the Isles of Great Britain and Ireland.
Yes we have an industry, it represents all of 0.61% of UK GDP while taking up 70% of UK land.
Being made to compete with the rest of the world would force the industry to improve and become more efficient and more productive, just as happened with New Zealand when they eliminated their trade barriers and subsidies.
An improved and more efficient agriculture industry would improve our security, wouldn't it?
You won’t be happy until we’re eating dog food
Why would we eat dog food?
Have you ever eaten Australian meat? Its excellent top quality.
Your xenophobia at imports is weird, especially while seeing 27 other nations getting free access to export their meat to us zero tariffs, zero quotas.
They have lower standards then we do. 'OLB' post on PT has examples. Or if you want an even better authority - the best let's be honest - there's Mark Drakeford. But it won't bother you and that's perfectly understandable. This whole thing is bespoke tailored to push all your buttons.
Free trade. Free free free. No quotas or tariffs. Deregulated mangy beef. Don't like it? So don't eat it then. Problem solved. Choice. The market pure and simple. And omg Australia. Red on the map. Trad Commonwealth. Five eyes. FAMILY.
7th Heaven in other words.
I rarely succeed in changing your view on anything but I sometimes like to try. Not here though. It'd be too close to the bone.
"Mangy beef"?
I used to live there you forget, I grew up downunder.
American food is shit, when you talk about shit food and you're talking about American deals you have a point. Australian meat is top nosh. Great quality.
Has anyone on this site ever gone to Australia, eaten beef there and thought "urgh this is mangy dog food shit"? Don't be ridiculous.
As someone who has lived in the US and eats American cooking (as provided by the Wife) every day I beg to differ.
I have a friend who - and you can know someone for 20 years and still be finding things out about them - it turns out is a massive fan of really top quality beef. He insists on American beef - reckons it far superior to British in almost all circumstances.
British meat is relatively shit.
I don't know why. But it is. Maybe its the lack of sunshine, maybe its in your head, but go to Australia, or America and the meat there just tastes better. My wife is from South Africa and she says the same thing, when she moved to the UK she stopped eating meat for a while, not because of any 'vegetarian' reason but because it was so disappointing compared to what she was used to in South Africa.
If British and Aussie meat was available at the same price next to each other in a supermarket, I'd be very tempted to go for the latter.
I haven't done a scientific study of this but I tend to agree. I think the UK meat tends to a higher fat content, possibly because our lousy climate encourages that in the animals and our smaller fields means they don't move around as much. Leaner, firmer beef is better in the same way that free range chicken tastes much better than factory farmed.
This is utter nonsense. The flavour in meat COMES from the fat. Everyone knows this. That's why a well marbled ribeye costs more than a boring rump, and why a Wagyu costs ten times more. The fat
"One of the best food-experiences is Wagyu Beef from Japan. For the American palate, flavorful beef needs to have at least 3-percent of fat. Wagyu is well above 20-percent. While this delectable protein is renowned for its marbling and amazing flavor, did you also know that it's packed full of nutrition?"
I was aware of this but I can't help feel that the way that the animal lives makes a considerable difference to the end product. One of the worst places I have been for steaks was Malta where the cattle barely saw grass and lived out their miserable lives in a shed.
The Truss's leadership prospects are surely in tatters. The Tories would never risk her - an absolutely vilified character within Britain's rural communities. Truss the Farmer's Cuss she'll be known as.
Dunno about that. The Tory members in the SE couldn’t give a damn about the farmers.
Everyone knows that the "countryside" is to stop plebs building houses, not for things like "farming". Don't be ridiculous.
I'm beginning to think some people don't know what "food security" means.
How does banning perfectly safe, perfectly scientific, well tested hormone supplements aid our food security?
Especially considering that the hormone supplement ban was protectionist unscientific bullshit that the EU imposed on us, as UK farmers were using hormone supplements until the EU instituted its ban that the UK opposed at the time in the Council of Ministers?
Maybe the UK farmer should just go back to doing what they were before the EU started meddling, and thus improve our food security?
Not hormones, but actually having farming and fishing industries at all in the Isles of Great Britain and Ireland.
Yes we have an industry, it represents all of 0.61% of UK GDP while taking up 70% of UK land.
Being made to compete with the rest of the world would force the industry to improve and become more efficient and more productive, just as happened with New Zealand when they eliminated their trade barriers and subsidies.
An improved and more efficient agriculture industry would improve our security, wouldn't it?
You won’t be happy until we’re eating dog food
Why would we eat dog food?
Have you ever eaten Australian meat? Its excellent top quality.
Your xenophobia at imports is weird, especially while seeing 27 other nations getting free access to export their meat to us zero tariffs, zero quotas.
They have lower standards then we do. 'OLB' post on PT has examples. Or if you want an even better authority - the best let's be honest - there's Mark Drakeford. But it won't bother you and that's perfectly understandable. This whole thing is bespoke tailored to push all your buttons.
Free trade. Free free free. No quotas or tariffs. Deregulated mangy beef. Don't like it? So don't eat it then. Problem solved. Choice. The market pure and simple. And omg Australia. Red on the map. Trad Commonwealth. Five eyes. FAMILY.
7th Heaven in other words.
I rarely succeed in changing your view on anything but I sometimes like to try. Not here though. It'd be too close to the bone.
"Mangy beef"?
I used to live there you forget, I grew up downunder.
American food is shit, when you talk about shit food and you're talking about American deals you have a point. Australian meat is top nosh. Great quality.
Has anyone on this site ever gone to Australia, eaten beef there and thought "urgh this is mangy dog food shit"? Don't be ridiculous.
As someone who has lived in the US and eats American cooking (as provided by the Wife) every day I beg to differ.
I have a friend who - and you can know someone for 20 years and still be finding things out about them - it turns out is a massive fan of really top quality beef. He insists on American beef - reckons it far superior to British in almost all circumstances.
British meat is relatively shit.
I don't know why. But it is. Maybe its the lack of sunshine, maybe its in your head, but go to Australia, or America and the meat there just tastes better. My wife is from South Africa and she says the same thing, when she moved to the UK she stopped eating meat for a while, not because of any 'vegetarian' reason but because it was so disappointing compared to what she was used to in South Africa.
If British and Aussie meat was available at the same price next to each other in a supermarket, I'd be very tempted to go for the latter.
I haven't done a scientific study of this but I tend to agree. I think the UK meat tends to a higher fat content, possibly because our lousy climate encourages that in the animals and our smaller fields means they don't move around as much. Leaner, firmer beef is better in the same way that free range chicken tastes much better than factory farmed.
That's actually a really good explanation! It makes sense.
When I lived in the US, the best steak I could buy locally was from Whole Foods.
Argentinian...
Until they stopped importing it.
Yes! I can finally agree with you on something!
Argentina is another nation that does meat really well - and Argentinian Malbec is great too.
Another nation I'd like to see a zero tariff, zero quota deal with.
it's not a good explanation at all. It is simply 100% wrong. Great marbling of fat makes for great flavoursome beef. This is a known culinary fact.
"The presence of marbling has an extremely positive effect on the eating quality of beef, in terms of tenderness, juiciness/moisture and flavour.
"The fat makes the meat softer and easier to chew, as there is simply less muscle fibre and collagen per unit volume of meat. This decreases the amount of chewing required, leading to a more rapid breakdown of the food, and greater flavour release.
"A small study also found that when specifically Wagyu and Angus steaks had more than 10 per cent intramuscular fat, the steak had significantly higher Flavour Volatiles – a measure of the taste intensity."
''..........And don't get me on to the cheese or charcuterie selection in, say, a Walmart in Mississippi. UGH....''
that could literally be a line said by Jez or Quinn from 'Its Grim Up North London''
Nope. Leon is right. The food in mainstream supermarkets in the States is almost universally awful. Absolute shite. That is not to say one cannot eat well in America – as he and Francis have also said, there is some fantastic dining if you know where to look.
I never quite understand why Publix hasn't expanded out of the SE corner. They have over 1000 locations in places like Georige, Florida, Carolinas, and a middle ground although not Whole Foods, a million miles better than Walmart, Safeway, Kroger, Albertsons, without needing to take out a second mortgage.
Why does agriculture take up so much land? Perhaps you need land to grow soy to feed to cows to turn into burgers? Think about how much more efficient things would be if we concrete over the farms and turn them into nice office parks full of people mining Britcoin which we then use to buy food grown by foreign wasters happy to be inefficient.
Yes, a sure way to a secure and prosperous future.
Yep, the UK dedicates 71.7% of land to agricultural use in order to generate 0.61% of UK GDP.
In contrast Sweden uses 6.5% of its land for agriculture to generate 1.44% of GDP.
Norway uses 2.7% of land to agricultural use in order to generate 1.93% of GDP.
I think their definition of agricultural land may be different. In theory all of northern Scandinavia could be designated as 'farmland' because it is used for reindeer grazing.
In any case, all that tells us is that Scandinavia is not heavily populated.
Can you name any heavily populated nation on the planet that so inefficiently wastes 71% of its land to generate below 1% of GDP?
Japan would probably be more comparable to the UK. They dedicated 12% of land to agriculture and they get 1.14% of GDP from agriculture.
Why is ours so inefficient compared to everyone else?
Question - when you say "agricultural land" do include hills and fells used for open sheep grazing?
And are our grouse moors "agricultural land" or not? Does Sweden (and the UK) include its fishing industries? On what basis? These kinds of statistics are not uninteresting but are going to be riddled with inconsistencies.
Not to mention that percentage of GDP is an odd choice too. Suppose there were a pandemic that shut down half the country. If GDP shrinks then just by standing still, agriculture's share will rise.
Come to that, is land area the most useful input statistic? Why not money or number of people?
That said, aiui British agricultural inefficiency is often heralded as a good thing for biodiversity because our farms have small fields with hedges, whereas America and even more so Australia have single fields the size of cities. And Canada and Scandinavia grow planks of wood and Christmas trees.
But in any case, if we do close all the farms, what will we do instead? Surely the real @Philip_Thompson would say we should take no action at all because if there were a better, more efficient, alternative use for this land, the market will already have taken care of it or, at a pinch, will do so soon.
Currently we don't have a free market that allows agricultural fields to be converted to housing, or industry, or retail, or anything else just based on the market. You need to go through planning instead.
As I've said before, I would have a free market. Protect Areas of Natural Beauty etc, but anything else abolish planning consent and just go with a free market. Yes then the market can take care of it, but right now it can't.
The Truss's leadership prospects are surely in tatters. The Tories would never risk her - an absolutely vilified character within Britain's rural communities. Truss the Farmer's Cuss she'll be known as.
Dunno about that. The Tory members in the SE couldn’t give a damn about the farmers.
Everyone knows that the "countryside" is to stop plebs building houses, not for things like "farming". Don't be ridiculous.
I'm beginning to think some people don't know what "food security" means.
How does banning perfectly safe, perfectly scientific, well tested hormone supplements aid our food security?
Especially considering that the hormone supplement ban was protectionist unscientific bullshit that the EU imposed on us, as UK farmers were using hormone supplements until the EU instituted its ban that the UK opposed at the time in the Council of Ministers?
Maybe the UK farmer should just go back to doing what they were before the EU started meddling, and thus improve our food security?
Not hormones, but actually having farming and fishing industries at all in the Isles of Great Britain and Ireland.
Yes we have an industry, it represents all of 0.61% of UK GDP while taking up 70% of UK land.
Being made to compete with the rest of the world would force the industry to improve and become more efficient and more productive, just as happened with New Zealand when they eliminated their trade barriers and subsidies.
An improved and more efficient agriculture industry would improve our security, wouldn't it?
You won’t be happy until we’re eating dog food
Why would we eat dog food?
Have you ever eaten Australian meat? Its excellent top quality.
Your xenophobia at imports is weird, especially while seeing 27 other nations getting free access to export their meat to us zero tariffs, zero quotas.
They have lower standards then we do. 'OLB' post on PT has examples. Or if you want an even better authority - the best let's be honest - there's Mark Drakeford. But it won't bother you and that's perfectly understandable. This whole thing is bespoke tailored to push all your buttons.
Free trade. Free free free. No quotas or tariffs. Deregulated mangy beef. Don't like it? So don't eat it then. Problem solved. Choice. The market pure and simple. And omg Australia. Red on the map. Trad Commonwealth. Five eyes. FAMILY.
7th Heaven in other words.
I rarely succeed in changing your view on anything but I sometimes like to try. Not here though. It'd be too close to the bone.
"Mangy beef"?
I used to live there you forget, I grew up downunder.
American food is shit, when you talk about shit food and you're talking about American deals you have a point. Australian meat is top nosh. Great quality.
Has anyone on this site ever gone to Australia, eaten beef there and thought "urgh this is mangy dog food shit"? Don't be ridiculous.
As someone who has lived in the US and eats American cooking (as provided by the Wife) every day I beg to differ.
Fair point.
Kraft "cheese" and stuff like that probably doesn't do America's reputation much good. 😂
Like culture, the US exports the lowest common denominator, and keeps the good stuff for itself. Anyone who has been to New York City (or and of the large cities) and said "the food is shit here" probably spent whole trip in a hospital.
American food is rather like British food. Has a mediocre reputation worldwide, but in many big coastal cities you can get fantastic, innovative restaurant food, there's a great array of foreign cuisines, and in the first order cities - New York, LA (London in the UK) - the food can be some of the best in the world. America also has stand-out smaller food cities like New Orleans, which are as good as the best in Europe
Where America does fall down is in the flyover country, where you can drive for 100 miles and the only choice is fast food, literally. DAIRY QUEENS
And don't get me on to the cheese or charcuterie selection in, say, a Walmart in Mississippi. UGH
I lived and worked in Boulder, Colorado for a few months during 2011, and I was actually surprised to find decent vegetarian food to take-away or eat-in over there (and several options to boot).
Colorado is NOT flyover country. It's posh AF.
Especially past 10-15 years, hoards of people with money moved there. Arizona, Texas and Colorado is where all the pissed off people of California are moving.
The question is will we see this post pandemic of people from London and which areas? I imagine Wiltshire and Somerset, as still easy to get to London.
The Truss's leadership prospects are surely in tatters. The Tories would never risk her - an absolutely vilified character within Britain's rural communities. Truss the Farmer's Cuss she'll be known as.
Dunno about that. The Tory members in the SE couldn’t give a damn about the farmers.
Everyone knows that the "countryside" is to stop plebs building houses, not for things like "farming". Don't be ridiculous.
I'm beginning to think some people don't know what "food security" means.
How does banning perfectly safe, perfectly scientific, well tested hormone supplements aid our food security?
Especially considering that the hormone supplement ban was protectionist unscientific bullshit that the EU imposed on us, as UK farmers were using hormone supplements until the EU instituted its ban that the UK opposed at the time in the Council of Ministers?
Maybe the UK farmer should just go back to doing what they were before the EU started meddling, and thus improve our food security?
Not hormones, but actually having farming and fishing industries at all in the Isles of Great Britain and Ireland.
Yes we have an industry, it represents all of 0.61% of UK GDP while taking up 70% of UK land.
Being made to compete with the rest of the world would force the industry to improve and become more efficient and more productive, just as happened with New Zealand when they eliminated their trade barriers and subsidies.
An improved and more efficient agriculture industry would improve our security, wouldn't it?
You won’t be happy until we’re eating dog food
Why would we eat dog food?
Have you ever eaten Australian meat? Its excellent top quality.
Your xenophobia at imports is weird, especially while seeing 27 other nations getting free access to export their meat to us zero tariffs, zero quotas.
They have lower standards then we do. 'OLB' post on PT has examples. Or if you want an even better authority - the best let's be honest - there's Mark Drakeford. But it won't bother you and that's perfectly understandable. This whole thing is bespoke tailored to push all your buttons.
Free trade. Free free free. No quotas or tariffs. Deregulated mangy beef. Don't like it? So don't eat it then. Problem solved. Choice. The market pure and simple. And omg Australia. Red on the map. Trad Commonwealth. Five eyes. FAMILY.
7th Heaven in other words.
I rarely succeed in changing your view on anything but I sometimes like to try. Not here though. It'd be too close to the bone.
"Mangy beef"?
I used to live there you forget, I grew up downunder.
American food is shit, when you talk about shit food and you're talking about American deals you have a point. Australian meat is top nosh. Great quality.
Has anyone on this site ever gone to Australia, eaten beef there and thought "urgh this is mangy dog food shit"? Don't be ridiculous.
As someone who has lived in the US and eats American cooking (as provided by the Wife) every day I beg to differ.
I have a friend who - and you can know someone for 20 years and still be finding things out about them - it turns out is a massive fan of really top quality beef. He insists on American beef - reckons it far superior to British in almost all circumstances.
British meat is relatively shit.
I don't know why. But it is. Maybe its the lack of sunshine, maybe its in your head, but go to Australia, or America and the meat there just tastes better. My wife is from South Africa and she says the same thing, when she moved to the UK she stopped eating meat for a while, not because of any 'vegetarian' reason but because it was so disappointing compared to what she was used to in South Africa.
If British and Aussie meat was available at the same price next to each other in a supermarket, I'd be very tempted to go for the latter.
Just to counter this appalling slander of British meat: my sister's other half is a Texan. He said the best burger he's ever eaten was in a pub they visited not far from the Cutty Sark. And the sunshine thing can't be right. You want your cattle grazing on lush, fresh grass. Not scraggy clumps of straw in the desert.
The Truss's leadership prospects are surely in tatters. The Tories would never risk her - an absolutely vilified character within Britain's rural communities. Truss the Farmer's Cuss she'll be known as.
Dunno about that. The Tory members in the SE couldn’t give a damn about the farmers.
Everyone knows that the "countryside" is to stop plebs building houses, not for things like "farming". Don't be ridiculous.
I'm beginning to think some people don't know what "food security" means.
How does banning perfectly safe, perfectly scientific, well tested hormone supplements aid our food security?
Especially considering that the hormone supplement ban was protectionist unscientific bullshit that the EU imposed on us, as UK farmers were using hormone supplements until the EU instituted its ban that the UK opposed at the time in the Council of Ministers?
Maybe the UK farmer should just go back to doing what they were before the EU started meddling, and thus improve our food security?
Not hormones, but actually having farming and fishing industries at all in the Isles of Great Britain and Ireland.
Yes we have an industry, it represents all of 0.61% of UK GDP while taking up 70% of UK land.
Being made to compete with the rest of the world would force the industry to improve and become more efficient and more productive, just as happened with New Zealand when they eliminated their trade barriers and subsidies.
An improved and more efficient agriculture industry would improve our security, wouldn't it?
You won’t be happy until we’re eating dog food
Why would we eat dog food?
Have you ever eaten Australian meat? Its excellent top quality.
Your xenophobia at imports is weird, especially while seeing 27 other nations getting free access to export their meat to us zero tariffs, zero quotas.
They have lower standards then we do. 'OLB' post on PT has examples. Or if you want an even better authority - the best let's be honest - there's Mark Drakeford. But it won't bother you and that's perfectly understandable. This whole thing is bespoke tailored to push all your buttons.
Free trade. Free free free. No quotas or tariffs. Deregulated mangy beef. Don't like it? So don't eat it then. Problem solved. Choice. The market pure and simple. And omg Australia. Red on the map. Trad Commonwealth. Five eyes. FAMILY.
7th Heaven in other words.
I rarely succeed in changing your view on anything but I sometimes like to try. Not here though. It'd be too close to the bone.
"Mangy beef"?
I used to live there you forget, I grew up downunder.
American food is shit, when you talk about shit food and you're talking about American deals you have a point. Australian meat is top nosh. Great quality.
Has anyone on this site ever gone to Australia, eaten beef there and thought "urgh this is mangy dog food shit"? Don't be ridiculous.
As someone who has lived in the US and eats American cooking (as provided by the Wife) every day I beg to differ.
Fair point.
Kraft "cheese" and stuff like that probably doesn't do America's reputation much good. 😂
Like culture, the US exports the lowest common denominator, and keeps the good stuff for itself. Anyone who has been to New York City (or and of the large cities) and said "the food is shit here" probably spent whole trip in a hospital.
American food is rather like British food. Has a mediocre reputation worldwide, but in many big coastal cities you can get fantastic, innovative restaurant food, there's a great array of foreign cuisines, and in the first order cities - New York, LA (London in the UK) - the food can be some of the best in the world. America also has stand-out smaller food cities like New Orleans, which are as good as the best in Europe
Where America does fall down is in the flyover country, where you can drive for 100 miles and the only choice is fast food, literally. DAIRY QUEENS
And don't get me on to the cheese or charcuterie selection in, say, a Walmart in Mississippi. UGH
What's your mental image when somebody says Cape Cod to you? Is it a cod?
I see the people who were having a hernia at Merkel mentioning the British virus are also prolapsing at Sturgeon not using the term Indian variant. A permanent truss (surgical not tory) to keep everything tucked in might be a wise move.
The Truss's leadership prospects are surely in tatters. The Tories would never risk her - an absolutely vilified character within Britain's rural communities. Truss the Farmer's Cuss she'll be known as.
Dunno about that. The Tory members in the SE couldn’t give a damn about the farmers.
Everyone knows that the "countryside" is to stop plebs building houses, not for things like "farming". Don't be ridiculous.
I'm beginning to think some people don't know what "food security" means.
How does banning perfectly safe, perfectly scientific, well tested hormone supplements aid our food security?
Especially considering that the hormone supplement ban was protectionist unscientific bullshit that the EU imposed on us, as UK farmers were using hormone supplements until the EU instituted its ban that the UK opposed at the time in the Council of Ministers?
Maybe the UK farmer should just go back to doing what they were before the EU started meddling, and thus improve our food security?
Not hormones, but actually having farming and fishing industries at all in the Isles of Great Britain and Ireland.
Yes we have an industry, it represents all of 0.61% of UK GDP while taking up 70% of UK land.
Being made to compete with the rest of the world would force the industry to improve and become more efficient and more productive, just as happened with New Zealand when they eliminated their trade barriers and subsidies.
An improved and more efficient agriculture industry would improve our security, wouldn't it?
You won’t be happy until we’re eating dog food
Why would we eat dog food?
Have you ever eaten Australian meat? Its excellent top quality.
Your xenophobia at imports is weird, especially while seeing 27 other nations getting free access to export their meat to us zero tariffs, zero quotas.
They have lower standards then we do. 'OLB' post on PT has examples. Or if you want an even better authority - the best let's be honest - there's Mark Drakeford. But it won't bother you and that's perfectly understandable. This whole thing is bespoke tailored to push all your buttons.
Free trade. Free free free. No quotas or tariffs. Deregulated mangy beef. Don't like it? So don't eat it then. Problem solved. Choice. The market pure and simple. And omg Australia. Red on the map. Trad Commonwealth. Five eyes. FAMILY.
7th Heaven in other words.
I rarely succeed in changing your view on anything but I sometimes like to try. Not here though. It'd be too close to the bone.
"Mangy beef"?
I used to live there you forget, I grew up downunder.
American food is shit, when you talk about shit food and you're talking about American deals you have a point. Australian meat is top nosh. Great quality.
Has anyone on this site ever gone to Australia, eaten beef there and thought "urgh this is mangy dog food shit"? Don't be ridiculous.
As someone who has lived in the US and eats American cooking (as provided by the Wife) every day I beg to differ.
I have a friend who - and you can know someone for 20 years and still be finding things out about them - it turns out is a massive fan of really top quality beef. He insists on American beef - reckons it far superior to British in almost all circumstances.
British meat is relatively shit.
I don't know why. But it is. Maybe its the lack of sunshine, maybe its in your head, but go to Australia, or America and the meat there just tastes better. My wife is from South Africa and she says the same thing, when she moved to the UK she stopped eating meat for a while, not because of any 'vegetarian' reason but because it was so disappointing compared to what she was used to in South Africa.
If British and Aussie meat was available at the same price next to each other in a supermarket, I'd be very tempted to go for the latter.
I haven't done a scientific study of this but I tend to agree. I think the UK meat tends to a higher fat content, possibly because our lousy climate encourages that in the animals and our smaller fields means they don't move around as much. Leaner, firmer beef is better in the same way that free range chicken tastes much better than factory farmed.
This is utter nonsense. The flavour in meat COMES from the fat. Everyone knows this. That's why a well marbled ribeye costs more than a boring rump, and why a Wagyu costs ten times more. The fat
"One of the best food-experiences is Wagyu Beef from Japan. For the American palate, flavorful beef needs to have at least 3-percent of fat. Wagyu is well above 20-percent. While this delectable protein is renowned for its marbling and amazing flavor, did you also know that it's packed full of nutrition?"
I was aware of this but I can't help feel that the way that the animal lives makes a considerable difference to the end product. One of the worst places I have been for steaks was Malta where the cattle barely saw grass and lived out their miserable lives in a shed.
Yes, I can believe this, and I 100% agree.
Recently I've got into making Singapore chicken laksas. You need the best chicken possible and my local Marks and Sparks does great free range, corn fed, super premium chicken thighs. = yummy laksas
The other day I made another laksa and all I could find was the bog standard factory farm yukky cheap chicken, and it was so much worse. The pain in the animal somehow made it onto the plate. Sad.
The Truss's leadership prospects are surely in tatters. The Tories would never risk her - an absolutely vilified character within Britain's rural communities. Truss the Farmer's Cuss she'll be known as.
Dunno about that. The Tory members in the SE couldn’t give a damn about the farmers.
Everyone knows that the "countryside" is to stop plebs building houses, not for things like "farming". Don't be ridiculous.
I'm beginning to think some people don't know what "food security" means.
How does banning perfectly safe, perfectly scientific, well tested hormone supplements aid our food security?
Especially considering that the hormone supplement ban was protectionist unscientific bullshit that the EU imposed on us, as UK farmers were using hormone supplements until the EU instituted its ban that the UK opposed at the time in the Council of Ministers?
Maybe the UK farmer should just go back to doing what they were before the EU started meddling, and thus improve our food security?
Not hormones, but actually having farming and fishing industries at all in the Isles of Great Britain and Ireland.
Yes we have an industry, it represents all of 0.61% of UK GDP while taking up 70% of UK land.
Being made to compete with the rest of the world would force the industry to improve and become more efficient and more productive, just as happened with New Zealand when they eliminated their trade barriers and subsidies.
An improved and more efficient agriculture industry would improve our security, wouldn't it?
You won’t be happy until we’re eating dog food
Why would we eat dog food?
Have you ever eaten Australian meat? Its excellent top quality.
Your xenophobia at imports is weird, especially while seeing 27 other nations getting free access to export their meat to us zero tariffs, zero quotas.
They have lower standards then we do. 'OLB' post on PT has examples. Or if you want an even better authority - the best let's be honest - there's Mark Drakeford. But it won't bother you and that's perfectly understandable. This whole thing is bespoke tailored to push all your buttons.
Free trade. Free free free. No quotas or tariffs. Deregulated mangy beef. Don't like it? So don't eat it then. Problem solved. Choice. The market pure and simple. And omg Australia. Red on the map. Trad Commonwealth. Five eyes. FAMILY.
7th Heaven in other words.
I rarely succeed in changing your view on anything but I sometimes like to try. Not here though. It'd be too close to the bone.
"Mangy beef"?
I used to live there you forget, I grew up downunder.
American food is shit, when you talk about shit food and you're talking about American deals you have a point. Australian meat is top nosh. Great quality.
Has anyone on this site ever gone to Australia, eaten beef there and thought "urgh this is mangy dog food shit"? Don't be ridiculous.
As someone who has lived in the US and eats American cooking (as provided by the Wife) every day I beg to differ.
I have a friend who - and you can know someone for 20 years and still be finding things out about them - it turns out is a massive fan of really top quality beef. He insists on American beef - reckons it far superior to British in almost all circumstances.
British meat is relatively shit.
I don't know why. But it is. Maybe its the lack of sunshine, maybe its in your head, but go to Australia, or America and the meat there just tastes better. My wife is from South Africa and she says the same thing, when she moved to the UK she stopped eating meat for a while, not because of any 'vegetarian' reason but because it was so disappointing compared to what she was used to in South Africa.
If British and Aussie meat was available at the same price next to each other in a supermarket, I'd be very tempted to go for the latter.
I haven't done a scientific study of this but I tend to agree. I think the UK meat tends to a higher fat content, possibly because our lousy climate encourages that in the animals and our smaller fields means they don't move around as much. Leaner, firmer beef is better in the same way that free range chicken tastes much better than factory farmed.
That's actually a really good explanation! It makes sense.
When I lived in the US, the best steak I could buy locally was from Whole Foods.
Argentinian...
Until they stopped importing it.
Yes! I can finally agree with you on something!
Argentina is another nation that does meat really well - and Argentinian Malbec is great too.
Another nation I'd like to see a zero tariff, zero quota deal with.
it's not a good explanation at all. It is simply 100% wrong. Great marbling of fat makes for great flavoursome beef. This is a known culinary fact.
"The presence of marbling has an extremely positive effect on the eating quality of beef, in terms of tenderness, juiciness/moisture and flavour.
"The fat makes the meat softer and easier to chew, as there is simply less muscle fibre and collagen per unit volume of meat. This decreases the amount of chewing required, leading to a more rapid breakdown of the food, and greater flavour release.
"A small study also found that when specifically Wagyu and Angus steaks had more than 10 per cent intramuscular fat, the steak had significantly higher Flavour Volatiles – a measure of the taste intensity."
It is a good explanation as its not just a case of fat vs lean, but what kind of fat and how do you get it. Not all fat is marbling.
That link you said (and you yourself) says that Wagyu is the best marbling and that comes largely from the nutrition it is fed.
Maybe the UK's cows, left to graze on cold fields, aren't getting the same nutrition and developing the marbling effect the same as Wagyu and other beef does.
Aberdeen Angus to be fair is good beef in Britain too. I'm not sure how that's generated different to the rest of the beef here.
I see the people who were having a hernia at Merkel mentioning the British virus are also prolapsing at Sturgeon not using the term Indian variant. A permanent truss (surgical not tory) to keep everything tucked in might be a wise move.
The unspecified virus of unknown origin with a variant which was first identified in an unsayable country....
I see the people who were having a hernia at Merkel mentioning the British virus are also prolapsing at Sturgeon not using the term Indian variant. A permanent truss (surgical not tory) to keep everything tucked in might be a wise move.
I have no problem with her not using the term Indian variant.
It does beg the term why she does use the term Kent variant though.
The Truss's leadership prospects are surely in tatters. The Tories would never risk her - an absolutely vilified character within Britain's rural communities. Truss the Farmer's Cuss she'll be known as.
Dunno about that. The Tory members in the SE couldn’t give a damn about the farmers.
Everyone knows that the "countryside" is to stop plebs building houses, not for things like "farming". Don't be ridiculous.
I'm beginning to think some people don't know what "food security" means.
How does banning perfectly safe, perfectly scientific, well tested hormone supplements aid our food security?
Especially considering that the hormone supplement ban was protectionist unscientific bullshit that the EU imposed on us, as UK farmers were using hormone supplements until the EU instituted its ban that the UK opposed at the time in the Council of Ministers?
Maybe the UK farmer should just go back to doing what they were before the EU started meddling, and thus improve our food security?
Not hormones, but actually having farming and fishing industries at all in the Isles of Great Britain and Ireland.
Yes we have an industry, it represents all of 0.61% of UK GDP while taking up 70% of UK land.
Being made to compete with the rest of the world would force the industry to improve and become more efficient and more productive, just as happened with New Zealand when they eliminated their trade barriers and subsidies.
An improved and more efficient agriculture industry would improve our security, wouldn't it?
You won’t be happy until we’re eating dog food
Why would we eat dog food?
Have you ever eaten Australian meat? Its excellent top quality.
Your xenophobia at imports is weird, especially while seeing 27 other nations getting free access to export their meat to us zero tariffs, zero quotas.
They have lower standards then we do. 'OLB' post on PT has examples. Or if you want an even better authority - the best let's be honest - there's Mark Drakeford. But it won't bother you and that's perfectly understandable. This whole thing is bespoke tailored to push all your buttons.
Free trade. Free free free. No quotas or tariffs. Deregulated mangy beef. Don't like it? So don't eat it then. Problem solved. Choice. The market pure and simple. And omg Australia. Red on the map. Trad Commonwealth. Five eyes. FAMILY.
7th Heaven in other words.
I rarely succeed in changing your view on anything but I sometimes like to try. Not here though. It'd be too close to the bone.
"Mangy beef"?
I used to live there you forget, I grew up downunder.
American food is shit, when you talk about shit food and you're talking about American deals you have a point. Australian meat is top nosh. Great quality.
Has anyone on this site ever gone to Australia, eaten beef there and thought "urgh this is mangy dog food shit"? Don't be ridiculous.
As someone who has lived in the US and eats American cooking (as provided by the Wife) every day I beg to differ.
Fair point.
Kraft "cheese" and stuff like that probably doesn't do America's reputation much good. 😂
Like culture, the US exports the lowest common denominator, and keeps the good stuff for itself. Anyone who has been to New York City (or and of the large cities) and said "the food is shit here" probably spent whole trip in a hospital.
American food is rather like British food. Has a mediocre reputation worldwide, but in many big coastal cities you can get fantastic, innovative restaurant food, there's a great array of foreign cuisines, and in the first order cities - New York, LA (London in the UK) - the food can be some of the best in the world. America also has stand-out smaller food cities like New Orleans, which are as good as the best in Europe
Where America does fall down is in the flyover country, where you can drive for 100 miles and the only choice is fast food, literally. DAIRY QUEENS
And don't get me on to the cheese or charcuterie selection in, say, a Walmart in Mississippi. UGH
America its the processed stuff, it just so so so bad...fructose corn syrup in everything, crazy numbers of calories, fat, sugar etc. Its been creeping in here though over the past few years, increasingly products have the fructose corn syrup.
I usually spend a month a year there and have to be so careful with food, otherwise so easy to put on serious weight in no time.
Yes, the portions are obscene, I hate it. NO I DON'T WANT A KILO OF FRENCH FRIES WITH PROCESSED ORANGE "JACK" CHEESE ON TOP
I've read various theories about this inability to serve sane portions, my favourite is this: it derives from the backstory of early immigrants, who were often fleeing Famine - Ireland, Germany - and therefore Americans are hardwired to want LOTS of food, whatever it is
The best food thing in America - where it beats the world - is barbecues. They REALLY know how to do a barbie.
Helps that they actually have sunshine
Leon – I agree 100% with your analyses of food in the US: the great, the bad, and the ugly.
Have you seen Chef's Table BBQ on Netflix yet? UHD and an absolutely beautiful series. You will love it.
Chef's Table is exquisitely produced, though sometimes a tiny bit slow for me. I prefer and love Anthony Bourdain. In fact I love any cooking show that combines food with general travel. Rick Stein, Hairy Bikers, etc
I especially love them at the moment as it is the only escape from rain-soaked, freezing Britain
I see the people who were having a hernia at Merkel mentioning the British virus are also prolapsing at Sturgeon not using the term Indian variant. A permanent truss (surgical not tory) to keep everything tucked in might be a wise move.
I have no objection to British variant at all. Its just odd that this is the only one I've ever heard described by a date. If you don't want to say Indian, then fine, use the more scientific appellation of B1.167.2. I hope you can see why this is such an odd thing to do?
I see the people who were having a hernia at Merkel mentioning the British virus are also prolapsing at Sturgeon not using the term Indian variant. A permanent truss (surgical not tory) to keep everything tucked in might be a wise move.
I have no problem with her not using the term Indian variant.
It does beg the term why she does use the term Kent variant though.
The Truss's leadership prospects are surely in tatters. The Tories would never risk her - an absolutely vilified character within Britain's rural communities. Truss the Farmer's Cuss she'll be known as.
Dunno about that. The Tory members in the SE couldn’t give a damn about the farmers.
Everyone knows that the "countryside" is to stop plebs building houses, not for things like "farming". Don't be ridiculous.
I'm beginning to think some people don't know what "food security" means.
How does banning perfectly safe, perfectly scientific, well tested hormone supplements aid our food security?
Especially considering that the hormone supplement ban was protectionist unscientific bullshit that the EU imposed on us, as UK farmers were using hormone supplements until the EU instituted its ban that the UK opposed at the time in the Council of Ministers?
Maybe the UK farmer should just go back to doing what they were before the EU started meddling, and thus improve our food security?
Not hormones, but actually having farming and fishing industries at all in the Isles of Great Britain and Ireland.
Yes we have an industry, it represents all of 0.61% of UK GDP while taking up 70% of UK land.
Being made to compete with the rest of the world would force the industry to improve and become more efficient and more productive, just as happened with New Zealand when they eliminated their trade barriers and subsidies.
An improved and more efficient agriculture industry would improve our security, wouldn't it?
You won’t be happy until we’re eating dog food
Why would we eat dog food?
Have you ever eaten Australian meat? Its excellent top quality.
Your xenophobia at imports is weird, especially while seeing 27 other nations getting free access to export their meat to us zero tariffs, zero quotas.
They have lower standards then we do. 'OLB' post on PT has examples. Or if you want an even better authority - the best let's be honest - there's Mark Drakeford. But it won't bother you and that's perfectly understandable. This whole thing is bespoke tailored to push all your buttons.
Free trade. Free free free. No quotas or tariffs. Deregulated mangy beef. Don't like it? So don't eat it then. Problem solved. Choice. The market pure and simple. And omg Australia. Red on the map. Trad Commonwealth. Five eyes. FAMILY.
7th Heaven in other words.
I rarely succeed in changing your view on anything but I sometimes like to try. Not here though. It'd be too close to the bone.
"Mangy beef"?
I used to live there you forget, I grew up downunder.
American food is shit, when you talk about shit food and you're talking about American deals you have a point. Australian meat is top nosh. Great quality.
Has anyone on this site ever gone to Australia, eaten beef there and thought "urgh this is mangy dog food shit"? Don't be ridiculous.
As someone who has lived in the US and eats American cooking (as provided by the Wife) every day I beg to differ.
Fair point.
Kraft "cheese" and stuff like that probably doesn't do America's reputation much good. 😂
Like culture, the US exports the lowest common denominator, and keeps the good stuff for itself. Anyone who has been to New York City (or and of the large cities) and said "the food is shit here" probably spent whole trip in a hospital.
American food is rather like British food. Has a mediocre reputation worldwide, but in many big coastal cities you can get fantastic, innovative restaurant food, there's a great array of foreign cuisines, and in the first order cities - New York, LA (London in the UK) - the food can be some of the best in the world. America also has stand-out smaller food cities like New Orleans, which are as good as the best in Europe
Where America does fall down is in the flyover country, where you can drive for 100 miles and the only choice is fast food, literally. DAIRY QUEENS
And don't get me on to the cheese or charcuterie selection in, say, a Walmart in Mississippi. UGH
Yes, America is somewhat of a paradox. It is easy to eat well and healthily on the coasts, but baffingly expensive. I always remember a friend visiting from the Bay Area and telling me that the almonds in Sainsbury's were half price what they are in his local Safeway BUT THEY WERE GROWN IN CALIFORNIA.
And on Manhattan, where there are no supermarkets except about one Trader Joe's, it's even worse. I met another friend in New York once who was studying at NYU and he told me he'd get together with a few other students and get a cab to the nearest Costco and back ($70-$80) and do his food shopping there rather than pay bodega prices.
The Truss's leadership prospects are surely in tatters. The Tories would never risk her - an absolutely vilified character within Britain's rural communities. Truss the Farmer's Cuss she'll be known as.
Dunno about that. The Tory members in the SE couldn’t give a damn about the farmers.
Everyone knows that the "countryside" is to stop plebs building houses, not for things like "farming". Don't be ridiculous.
I'm beginning to think some people don't know what "food security" means.
How does banning perfectly safe, perfectly scientific, well tested hormone supplements aid our food security?
Especially considering that the hormone supplement ban was protectionist unscientific bullshit that the EU imposed on us, as UK farmers were using hormone supplements until the EU instituted its ban that the UK opposed at the time in the Council of Ministers?
Maybe the UK farmer should just go back to doing what they were before the EU started meddling, and thus improve our food security?
Not hormones, but actually having farming and fishing industries at all in the Isles of Great Britain and Ireland.
Yes we have an industry, it represents all of 0.61% of UK GDP while taking up 70% of UK land.
Being made to compete with the rest of the world would force the industry to improve and become more efficient and more productive, just as happened with New Zealand when they eliminated their trade barriers and subsidies.
An improved and more efficient agriculture industry would improve our security, wouldn't it?
You won’t be happy until we’re eating dog food
Why would we eat dog food?
Have you ever eaten Australian meat? Its excellent top quality.
Your xenophobia at imports is weird, especially while seeing 27 other nations getting free access to export their meat to us zero tariffs, zero quotas.
They have lower standards then we do. 'OLB' post on PT has examples. Or if you want an even better authority - the best let's be honest - there's Mark Drakeford. But it won't bother you and that's perfectly understandable. This whole thing is bespoke tailored to push all your buttons.
Free trade. Free free free. No quotas or tariffs. Deregulated mangy beef. Don't like it? So don't eat it then. Problem solved. Choice. The market pure and simple. And omg Australia. Red on the map. Trad Commonwealth. Five eyes. FAMILY.
7th Heaven in other words.
I rarely succeed in changing your view on anything but I sometimes like to try. Not here though. It'd be too close to the bone.
"Mangy beef"?
I used to live there you forget, I grew up downunder.
American food is shit, when you talk about shit food and you're talking about American deals you have a point. Australian meat is top nosh. Great quality.
Has anyone on this site ever gone to Australia, eaten beef there and thought "urgh this is mangy dog food shit"? Don't be ridiculous.
As someone who has lived in the US and eats American cooking (as provided by the Wife) every day I beg to differ.
Fair point.
Kraft "cheese" and stuff like that probably doesn't do America's reputation much good. 😂
Like culture, the US exports the lowest common denominator, and keeps the good stuff for itself. Anyone who has been to New York City (or and of the large cities) and said "the food is shit here" probably spent whole trip in a hospital.
American food is rather like British food. Has a mediocre reputation worldwide, but in many big coastal cities you can get fantastic, innovative restaurant food, there's a great array of foreign cuisines, and in the first order cities - New York, LA (London in the UK) - the food can be some of the best in the world. America also has stand-out smaller food cities like New Orleans, which are as good as the best in Europe
Where America does fall down is in the flyover country, where you can drive for 100 miles and the only choice is fast food, literally. DAIRY QUEENS
And don't get me on to the cheese or charcuterie selection in, say, a Walmart in Mississippi. UGH
Yes, America is somewhat of a paradox. It is easy to eat well and healthily, but baffingly expensive. I always remember a friend visiting from the Bay Area and telling me that the almonds in Sainsbury's were half price what they are in his local Safeway BUT THEY WERE GROWN IN CALIFORNIA.
Milk...milk in the US is really expensive...they have masses of land and cows.... like how it is so expensive...
The Truss's leadership prospects are surely in tatters. The Tories would never risk her - an absolutely vilified character within Britain's rural communities. Truss the Farmer's Cuss she'll be known as.
Dunno about that. The Tory members in the SE couldn’t give a damn about the farmers.
Everyone knows that the "countryside" is to stop plebs building houses, not for things like "farming". Don't be ridiculous.
I'm beginning to think some people don't know what "food security" means.
How does banning perfectly safe, perfectly scientific, well tested hormone supplements aid our food security?
Especially considering that the hormone supplement ban was protectionist unscientific bullshit that the EU imposed on us, as UK farmers were using hormone supplements until the EU instituted its ban that the UK opposed at the time in the Council of Ministers?
Maybe the UK farmer should just go back to doing what they were before the EU started meddling, and thus improve our food security?
Not hormones, but actually having farming and fishing industries at all in the Isles of Great Britain and Ireland.
Yes we have an industry, it represents all of 0.61% of UK GDP while taking up 70% of UK land.
Being made to compete with the rest of the world would force the industry to improve and become more efficient and more productive, just as happened with New Zealand when they eliminated their trade barriers and subsidies.
An improved and more efficient agriculture industry would improve our security, wouldn't it?
You won’t be happy until we’re eating dog food
Why would we eat dog food?
Have you ever eaten Australian meat? Its excellent top quality.
Your xenophobia at imports is weird, especially while seeing 27 other nations getting free access to export their meat to us zero tariffs, zero quotas.
They have lower standards then we do. 'OLB' post on PT has examples. Or if you want an even better authority - the best let's be honest - there's Mark Drakeford. But it won't bother you and that's perfectly understandable. This whole thing is bespoke tailored to push all your buttons.
Free trade. Free free free. No quotas or tariffs. Deregulated mangy beef. Don't like it? So don't eat it then. Problem solved. Choice. The market pure and simple. And omg Australia. Red on the map. Trad Commonwealth. Five eyes. FAMILY.
7th Heaven in other words.
I rarely succeed in changing your view on anything but I sometimes like to try. Not here though. It'd be too close to the bone.
"Mangy beef"?
I used to live there you forget, I grew up downunder.
American food is shit, when you talk about shit food and you're talking about American deals you have a point. Australian meat is top nosh. Great quality.
Has anyone on this site ever gone to Australia, eaten beef there and thought "urgh this is mangy dog food shit"? Don't be ridiculous.
As someone who has lived in the US and eats American cooking (as provided by the Wife) every day I beg to differ.
I have a friend who - and you can know someone for 20 years and still be finding things out about them - it turns out is a massive fan of really top quality beef. He insists on American beef - reckons it far superior to British in almost all circumstances.
British meat is relatively shit.
I don't know why. But it is. Maybe its the lack of sunshine, maybe its in your head, but go to Australia, or America and the meat there just tastes better. My wife is from South Africa and she says the same thing, when she moved to the UK she stopped eating meat for a while, not because of any 'vegetarian' reason but because it was so disappointing compared to what she was used to in South Africa.
If British and Aussie meat was available at the same price next to each other in a supermarket, I'd be very tempted to go for the latter.
I haven't done a scientific study of this but I tend to agree. I think the UK meat tends to a higher fat content, possibly because our lousy climate encourages that in the animals and our smaller fields means they don't move around as much. Leaner, firmer beef is better in the same way that free range chicken tastes much better than factory farmed.
That's actually a really good explanation! It makes sense.
When I lived in the US, the best steak I could buy locally was from Whole Foods.
Argentinian...
Until they stopped importing it.
Yes! I can finally agree with you on something!
Argentina is another nation that does meat really well - and Argentinian Malbec is great too.
Another nation I'd like to see a zero tariff, zero quota deal with.
it's not a good explanation at all. It is simply 100% wrong. Great marbling of fat makes for great flavoursome beef. This is a known culinary fact.
"The presence of marbling has an extremely positive effect on the eating quality of beef, in terms of tenderness, juiciness/moisture and flavour.
"The fat makes the meat softer and easier to chew, as there is simply less muscle fibre and collagen per unit volume of meat. This decreases the amount of chewing required, leading to a more rapid breakdown of the food, and greater flavour release.
"A small study also found that when specifically Wagyu and Angus steaks had more than 10 per cent intramuscular fat, the steak had significantly higher Flavour Volatiles – a measure of the taste intensity."
Correct. See also making burgers. You want 20-30% fat mince for those. Very hard to find in supermarkets because of our stupid obsession with avoiding animal fat (sugar makes you fat, fat doesn’t make you fat).
I get mine from the butcher, roll in garlic herb butter inside the patty.
The Truss's leadership prospects are surely in tatters. The Tories would never risk her - an absolutely vilified character within Britain's rural communities. Truss the Farmer's Cuss she'll be known as.
Dunno about that. The Tory members in the SE couldn’t give a damn about the farmers.
Everyone knows that the "countryside" is to stop plebs building houses, not for things like "farming". Don't be ridiculous.
I'm beginning to think some people don't know what "food security" means.
How does banning perfectly safe, perfectly scientific, well tested hormone supplements aid our food security?
Especially considering that the hormone supplement ban was protectionist unscientific bullshit that the EU imposed on us, as UK farmers were using hormone supplements until the EU instituted its ban that the UK opposed at the time in the Council of Ministers?
Maybe the UK farmer should just go back to doing what they were before the EU started meddling, and thus improve our food security?
Not hormones, but actually having farming and fishing industries at all in the Isles of Great Britain and Ireland.
Yes we have an industry, it represents all of 0.61% of UK GDP while taking up 70% of UK land.
Being made to compete with the rest of the world would force the industry to improve and become more efficient and more productive, just as happened with New Zealand when they eliminated their trade barriers and subsidies.
An improved and more efficient agriculture industry would improve our security, wouldn't it?
You won’t be happy until we’re eating dog food
Why would we eat dog food?
Have you ever eaten Australian meat? Its excellent top quality.
Your xenophobia at imports is weird, especially while seeing 27 other nations getting free access to export their meat to us zero tariffs, zero quotas.
They have lower standards then we do. 'OLB' post on PT has examples. Or if you want an even better authority - the best let's be honest - there's Mark Drakeford. But it won't bother you and that's perfectly understandable. This whole thing is bespoke tailored to push all your buttons.
Free trade. Free free free. No quotas or tariffs. Deregulated mangy beef. Don't like it? So don't eat it then. Problem solved. Choice. The market pure and simple. And omg Australia. Red on the map. Trad Commonwealth. Five eyes. FAMILY.
7th Heaven in other words.
I rarely succeed in changing your view on anything but I sometimes like to try. Not here though. It'd be too close to the bone.
"Mangy beef"?
I used to live there you forget, I grew up downunder.
American food is shit, when you talk about shit food and you're talking about American deals you have a point. Australian meat is top nosh. Great quality.
Has anyone on this site ever gone to Australia, eaten beef there and thought "urgh this is mangy dog food shit"? Don't be ridiculous.
As someone who has lived in the US and eats American cooking (as provided by the Wife) every day I beg to differ.
Fair point.
Kraft "cheese" and stuff like that probably doesn't do America's reputation much good. 😂
Like culture, the US exports the lowest common denominator, and keeps the good stuff for itself. Anyone who has been to New York City (or and of the large cities) and said "the food is shit here" probably spent whole trip in a hospital.
American food is rather like British food. Has a mediocre reputation worldwide, but in many big coastal cities you can get fantastic, innovative restaurant food, there's a great array of foreign cuisines, and in the first order cities - New York, LA (London in the UK) - the food can be some of the best in the world. America also has stand-out smaller food cities like New Orleans, which are as good as the best in Europe
Where America does fall down is in the flyover country, where you can drive for 100 miles and the only choice is fast food, literally. DAIRY QUEENS
And don't get me on to the cheese or charcuterie selection in, say, a Walmart in Mississippi. UGH
I lived and worked in Boulder, Colorado for a few months during 2011, and I was actually surprised to find decent vegetarian food to take-away or eat-in over there (and several options to boot).
Colorado is NOT flyover country. It's posh AF.
Especially past 10-15 years, hoards of people with money moved there. Arizona, Texas and Colorado is where all the pissed off people of California are moving.
The question is will we see this post pandemic of people from London and which areas? I imagine Wiltshire and Somerset, as still easy to get to London.
The food in Cornwall has gone from generally poor to often-quite-brilliant in 20 years, and I am sure it is all the rich Londoners demanding proper tucker (plus our general British food revolution)
There are other foodie hotspots developing around the country. Suffolk, Herefordshire, Ludlow, Skye, the Lakes...
I see the people who were having a hernia at Merkel mentioning the British virus are also prolapsing at Sturgeon not using the term Indian variant. A permanent truss (surgical not tory) to keep everything tucked in might be a wise move.
I have no problem with her not using the term Indian variant.
It does beg the term why she does use the term Kent variant though.
The Truss's leadership prospects are surely in tatters. The Tories would never risk her - an absolutely vilified character within Britain's rural communities. Truss the Farmer's Cuss she'll be known as.
Dunno about that. The Tory members in the SE couldn’t give a damn about the farmers.
Everyone knows that the "countryside" is to stop plebs building houses, not for things like "farming". Don't be ridiculous.
I'm beginning to think some people don't know what "food security" means.
How does banning perfectly safe, perfectly scientific, well tested hormone supplements aid our food security?
Especially considering that the hormone supplement ban was protectionist unscientific bullshit that the EU imposed on us, as UK farmers were using hormone supplements until the EU instituted its ban that the UK opposed at the time in the Council of Ministers?
Maybe the UK farmer should just go back to doing what they were before the EU started meddling, and thus improve our food security?
Not hormones, but actually having farming and fishing industries at all in the Isles of Great Britain and Ireland.
Yes we have an industry, it represents all of 0.61% of UK GDP while taking up 70% of UK land.
Being made to compete with the rest of the world would force the industry to improve and become more efficient and more productive, just as happened with New Zealand when they eliminated their trade barriers and subsidies.
An improved and more efficient agriculture industry would improve our security, wouldn't it?
You won’t be happy until we’re eating dog food
Why would we eat dog food?
Have you ever eaten Australian meat? Its excellent top quality.
Your xenophobia at imports is weird, especially while seeing 27 other nations getting free access to export their meat to us zero tariffs, zero quotas.
They have lower standards then we do. 'OLB' post on PT has examples. Or if you want an even better authority - the best let's be honest - there's Mark Drakeford. But it won't bother you and that's perfectly understandable. This whole thing is bespoke tailored to push all your buttons.
Free trade. Free free free. No quotas or tariffs. Deregulated mangy beef. Don't like it? So don't eat it then. Problem solved. Choice. The market pure and simple. And omg Australia. Red on the map. Trad Commonwealth. Five eyes. FAMILY.
7th Heaven in other words.
I rarely succeed in changing your view on anything but I sometimes like to try. Not here though. It'd be too close to the bone.
"Mangy beef"?
I used to live there you forget, I grew up downunder.
American food is shit, when you talk about shit food and you're talking about American deals you have a point. Australian meat is top nosh. Great quality.
Has anyone on this site ever gone to Australia, eaten beef there and thought "urgh this is mangy dog food shit"? Don't be ridiculous.
As someone who has lived in the US and eats American cooking (as provided by the Wife) every day I beg to differ.
Fair point.
Kraft "cheese" and stuff like that probably doesn't do America's reputation much good. 😂
Like culture, the US exports the lowest common denominator, and keeps the good stuff for itself. Anyone who has been to New York City (or and of the large cities) and said "the food is shit here" probably spent whole trip in a hospital.
American food is rather like British food. Has a mediocre reputation worldwide, but in many big coastal cities you can get fantastic, innovative restaurant food, there's a great array of foreign cuisines, and in the first order cities - New York, LA (London in the UK) - the food can be some of the best in the world. America also has stand-out smaller food cities like New Orleans, which are as good as the best in Europe
Where America does fall down is in the flyover country, where you can drive for 100 miles and the only choice is fast food, literally. DAIRY QUEENS
And don't get me on to the cheese or charcuterie selection in, say, a Walmart in Mississippi. UGH
Yes, America is somewhat of a paradox. It is easy to eat well and healthily, but baffingly expensive. I always remember a friend visiting from the Bay Area and telling me that the almonds in Sainsbury's were half price what they are in his local Safeway BUT THEY WERE GROWN IN CALIFORNIA.
Milk...milk in the US is really expensive...they have masses of land and cows.... like how it is so expensive...
Yep. $3-$4 for half a gallon compared to £1 here.
And you can't get decent tea to put it in. I always bring my own when I go there.
I see the people who were having a hernia at Merkel mentioning the British virus are also prolapsing at Sturgeon not using the term Indian variant. A permanent truss (surgical not tory) to keep everything tucked in might be a wise move.
I don't see a problem using the British/Kent variant terminology. I do see a problem avoiding using "Indian variant" but saying "Kent variant" in almost the next sentence.
The Truss's leadership prospects are surely in tatters. The Tories would never risk her - an absolutely vilified character within Britain's rural communities. Truss the Farmer's Cuss she'll be known as.
Dunno about that. The Tory members in the SE couldn’t give a damn about the farmers.
Everyone knows that the "countryside" is to stop plebs building houses, not for things like "farming". Don't be ridiculous.
I'm beginning to think some people don't know what "food security" means.
How does banning perfectly safe, perfectly scientific, well tested hormone supplements aid our food security?
Especially considering that the hormone supplement ban was protectionist unscientific bullshit that the EU imposed on us, as UK farmers were using hormone supplements until the EU instituted its ban that the UK opposed at the time in the Council of Ministers?
Maybe the UK farmer should just go back to doing what they were before the EU started meddling, and thus improve our food security?
Not hormones, but actually having farming and fishing industries at all in the Isles of Great Britain and Ireland.
Yes we have an industry, it represents all of 0.61% of UK GDP while taking up 70% of UK land.
Being made to compete with the rest of the world would force the industry to improve and become more efficient and more productive, just as happened with New Zealand when they eliminated their trade barriers and subsidies.
An improved and more efficient agriculture industry would improve our security, wouldn't it?
You won’t be happy until we’re eating dog food
Why would we eat dog food?
Have you ever eaten Australian meat? Its excellent top quality.
Your xenophobia at imports is weird, especially while seeing 27 other nations getting free access to export their meat to us zero tariffs, zero quotas.
They have lower standards then we do. 'OLB' post on PT has examples. Or if you want an even better authority - the best let's be honest - there's Mark Drakeford. But it won't bother you and that's perfectly understandable. This whole thing is bespoke tailored to push all your buttons.
Free trade. Free free free. No quotas or tariffs. Deregulated mangy beef. Don't like it? So don't eat it then. Problem solved. Choice. The market pure and simple. And omg Australia. Red on the map. Trad Commonwealth. Five eyes. FAMILY.
7th Heaven in other words.
I rarely succeed in changing your view on anything but I sometimes like to try. Not here though. It'd be too close to the bone.
"Mangy beef"?
I used to live there you forget, I grew up downunder.
American food is shit, when you talk about shit food and you're talking about American deals you have a point. Australian meat is top nosh. Great quality.
Has anyone on this site ever gone to Australia, eaten beef there and thought "urgh this is mangy dog food shit"? Don't be ridiculous.
As someone who has lived in the US and eats American cooking (as provided by the Wife) every day I beg to differ.
I have a friend who - and you can know someone for 20 years and still be finding things out about them - it turns out is a massive fan of really top quality beef. He insists on American beef - reckons it far superior to British in almost all circumstances.
British meat is relatively shit.
I don't know why. But it is. Maybe its the lack of sunshine, maybe its in your head, but go to Australia, or America and the meat there just tastes better. My wife is from South Africa and she says the same thing, when she moved to the UK she stopped eating meat for a while, not because of any 'vegetarian' reason but because it was so disappointing compared to what she was used to in South Africa.
If British and Aussie meat was available at the same price next to each other in a supermarket, I'd be very tempted to go for the latter.
I haven't done a scientific study of this but I tend to agree. I think the UK meat tends to a higher fat content, possibly because our lousy climate encourages that in the animals and our smaller fields means they don't move around as much. Leaner, firmer beef is better in the same way that free range chicken tastes much better than factory farmed.
That's actually a really good explanation! It makes sense.
When I lived in the US, the best steak I could buy locally was from Whole Foods.
Argentinian...
Until they stopped importing it.
Yes! I can finally agree with you on something!
Argentina is another nation that does meat really well - and Argentinian Malbec is great too.
Another nation I'd like to see a zero tariff, zero quota deal with.
it's not a good explanation at all. It is simply 100% wrong. Great marbling of fat makes for great flavoursome beef. This is a known culinary fact.
"The presence of marbling has an extremely positive effect on the eating quality of beef, in terms of tenderness, juiciness/moisture and flavour.
"The fat makes the meat softer and easier to chew, as there is simply less muscle fibre and collagen per unit volume of meat. This decreases the amount of chewing required, leading to a more rapid breakdown of the food, and greater flavour release.
"A small study also found that when specifically Wagyu and Angus steaks had more than 10 per cent intramuscular fat, the steak had significantly higher Flavour Volatiles – a measure of the taste intensity."
Correct. See also making burgers. You want 20-30% fat mince for those. Very hard to find in supermarkets because of our stupid obsession with avoiding animal fat (sugar makes you fat, fat doesn’t make you fat).
I get mine from the butcher, roll in garlic herb butter inside the patty.
Never understand people paying loads of money for "gourmet" burgers from the supermarket...just buy decent mince, egg, herbs, jobs a good'un....
The Truss's leadership prospects are surely in tatters. The Tories would never risk her - an absolutely vilified character within Britain's rural communities. Truss the Farmer's Cuss she'll be known as.
Dunno about that. The Tory members in the SE couldn’t give a damn about the farmers.
Everyone knows that the "countryside" is to stop plebs building houses, not for things like "farming". Don't be ridiculous.
I'm beginning to think some people don't know what "food security" means.
How does banning perfectly safe, perfectly scientific, well tested hormone supplements aid our food security?
Especially considering that the hormone supplement ban was protectionist unscientific bullshit that the EU imposed on us, as UK farmers were using hormone supplements until the EU instituted its ban that the UK opposed at the time in the Council of Ministers?
Maybe the UK farmer should just go back to doing what they were before the EU started meddling, and thus improve our food security?
Not hormones, but actually having farming and fishing industries at all in the Isles of Great Britain and Ireland.
Yes we have an industry, it represents all of 0.61% of UK GDP while taking up 70% of UK land.
Being made to compete with the rest of the world would force the industry to improve and become more efficient and more productive, just as happened with New Zealand when they eliminated their trade barriers and subsidies.
An improved and more efficient agriculture industry would improve our security, wouldn't it?
You won’t be happy until we’re eating dog food
Why would we eat dog food?
Have you ever eaten Australian meat? Its excellent top quality.
Your xenophobia at imports is weird, especially while seeing 27 other nations getting free access to export their meat to us zero tariffs, zero quotas.
They have lower standards then we do. 'OLB' post on PT has examples. Or if you want an even better authority - the best let's be honest - there's Mark Drakeford. But it won't bother you and that's perfectly understandable. This whole thing is bespoke tailored to push all your buttons.
Free trade. Free free free. No quotas or tariffs. Deregulated mangy beef. Don't like it? So don't eat it then. Problem solved. Choice. The market pure and simple. And omg Australia. Red on the map. Trad Commonwealth. Five eyes. FAMILY.
7th Heaven in other words.
I rarely succeed in changing your view on anything but I sometimes like to try. Not here though. It'd be too close to the bone.
"Mangy beef"?
I used to live there you forget, I grew up downunder.
American food is shit, when you talk about shit food and you're talking about American deals you have a point. Australian meat is top nosh. Great quality.
Has anyone on this site ever gone to Australia, eaten beef there and thought "urgh this is mangy dog food shit"? Don't be ridiculous.
As someone who has lived in the US and eats American cooking (as provided by the Wife) every day I beg to differ.
Fair point.
Kraft "cheese" and stuff like that probably doesn't do America's reputation much good. 😂
Like culture, the US exports the lowest common denominator, and keeps the good stuff for itself. Anyone who has been to New York City (or and of the large cities) and said "the food is shit here" probably spent whole trip in a hospital.
American food is rather like British food. Has a mediocre reputation worldwide, but in many big coastal cities you can get fantastic, innovative restaurant food, there's a great array of foreign cuisines, and in the first order cities - New York, LA (London in the UK) - the food can be some of the best in the world. America also has stand-out smaller food cities like New Orleans, which are as good as the best in Europe
Where America does fall down is in the flyover country, where you can drive for 100 miles and the only choice is fast food, literally. DAIRY QUEENS
And don't get me on to the cheese or charcuterie selection in, say, a Walmart in Mississippi. UGH
Yes, America is somewhat of a paradox. It is easy to eat well and healthily on the coasts, but baffingly expensive. I always remember a friend visiting from the Bay Area and telling me that the almonds in Sainsbury's were half price what they are in his local Safeway BUT THEY WERE GROWN IN CALIFORNIA.
And on Manhattan, where there are no supermarkets except about one Trader Joe's, it's even worse. I met another friend in New York once who was studying at NYU and he told me he'd get together with a few other students and get a cab to the nearest Costco and back ($70-$80) and do his food shopping there rather than pay bodega prices.
Yeah American food is a bit of a minefield. It's terrible, just above terrible, slightly below crap and then suddenly it's really good. There's nothing really in between though.
Son just rang me to say the PA of E.On's CEO has rung him this morning to let him know that whilst these complaints are usually handled by his team she had him read this one personally and he is taking a personal interest and is "upset" and "emotionally invested" in this case.
Seeing it all written down the case against E.on is utterly shaming - but I am relieved beyond words that this now has senior management investiture.
Once the top bod gets involved it swiftly becomes a “how can we make this up to you” scenario. Getting the CEO embarrassed by corporate bad behaviour causes earthquakes internally. Your son will now win.
I hope so -this was the straw that was threatening to break the camels back
The Truss's leadership prospects are surely in tatters. The Tories would never risk her - an absolutely vilified character within Britain's rural communities. Truss the Farmer's Cuss she'll be known as.
Dunno about that. The Tory members in the SE couldn’t give a damn about the farmers.
Everyone knows that the "countryside" is to stop plebs building houses, not for things like "farming". Don't be ridiculous.
I'm beginning to think some people don't know what "food security" means.
How does banning perfectly safe, perfectly scientific, well tested hormone supplements aid our food security?
Especially considering that the hormone supplement ban was protectionist unscientific bullshit that the EU imposed on us, as UK farmers were using hormone supplements until the EU instituted its ban that the UK opposed at the time in the Council of Ministers?
Maybe the UK farmer should just go back to doing what they were before the EU started meddling, and thus improve our food security?
Not hormones, but actually having farming and fishing industries at all in the Isles of Great Britain and Ireland.
Yes we have an industry, it represents all of 0.61% of UK GDP while taking up 70% of UK land.
Being made to compete with the rest of the world would force the industry to improve and become more efficient and more productive, just as happened with New Zealand when they eliminated their trade barriers and subsidies.
An improved and more efficient agriculture industry would improve our security, wouldn't it?
You won’t be happy until we’re eating dog food
Why would we eat dog food?
Have you ever eaten Australian meat? Its excellent top quality.
Your xenophobia at imports is weird, especially while seeing 27 other nations getting free access to export their meat to us zero tariffs, zero quotas.
They have lower standards then we do. 'OLB' post on PT has examples. Or if you want an even better authority - the best let's be honest - there's Mark Drakeford. But it won't bother you and that's perfectly understandable. This whole thing is bespoke tailored to push all your buttons.
Free trade. Free free free. No quotas or tariffs. Deregulated mangy beef. Don't like it? So don't eat it then. Problem solved. Choice. The market pure and simple. And omg Australia. Red on the map. Trad Commonwealth. Five eyes. FAMILY.
7th Heaven in other words.
I rarely succeed in changing your view on anything but I sometimes like to try. Not here though. It'd be too close to the bone.
"Mangy beef"?
I used to live there you forget, I grew up downunder.
American food is shit, when you talk about shit food and you're talking about American deals you have a point. Australian meat is top nosh. Great quality.
Has anyone on this site ever gone to Australia, eaten beef there and thought "urgh this is mangy dog food shit"? Don't be ridiculous.
As someone who has lived in the US and eats American cooking (as provided by the Wife) every day I beg to differ.
Fair point.
Kraft "cheese" and stuff like that probably doesn't do America's reputation much good. 😂
Like culture, the US exports the lowest common denominator, and keeps the good stuff for itself. Anyone who has been to New York City (or and of the large cities) and said "the food is shit here" probably spent whole trip in a hospital.
American food is rather like British food. Has a mediocre reputation worldwide, but in many big coastal cities you can get fantastic, innovative restaurant food, there's a great array of foreign cuisines, and in the first order cities - New York, LA (London in the UK) - the food can be some of the best in the world. America also has stand-out smaller food cities like New Orleans, which are as good as the best in Europe
Where America does fall down is in the flyover country, where you can drive for 100 miles and the only choice is fast food, literally. DAIRY QUEENS
And don't get me on to the cheese or charcuterie selection in, say, a Walmart in Mississippi. UGH
Yes, America is somewhat of a paradox. It is easy to eat well and healthily, but baffingly expensive. I always remember a friend visiting from the Bay Area and telling me that the almonds in Sainsbury's were half price what they are in his local Safeway BUT THEY WERE GROWN IN CALIFORNIA.
I bought a bottle of Vodka while in a Canadian offlicence. "Three Olives" vodka brand, a premium brand with a big selection of flavours - it says "Made in England" and has a Union Jack on the label but I've never seen it for sale in this country. Weird.
The Truss's leadership prospects are surely in tatters. The Tories would never risk her - an absolutely vilified character within Britain's rural communities. Truss the Farmer's Cuss she'll be known as.
Dunno about that. The Tory members in the SE couldn’t give a damn about the farmers.
Everyone knows that the "countryside" is to stop plebs building houses, not for things like "farming". Don't be ridiculous.
I'm beginning to think some people don't know what "food security" means.
How does banning perfectly safe, perfectly scientific, well tested hormone supplements aid our food security?
Especially considering that the hormone supplement ban was protectionist unscientific bullshit that the EU imposed on us, as UK farmers were using hormone supplements until the EU instituted its ban that the UK opposed at the time in the Council of Ministers?
Maybe the UK farmer should just go back to doing what they were before the EU started meddling, and thus improve our food security?
Not hormones, but actually having farming and fishing industries at all in the Isles of Great Britain and Ireland.
Yes we have an industry, it represents all of 0.61% of UK GDP while taking up 70% of UK land.
Being made to compete with the rest of the world would force the industry to improve and become more efficient and more productive, just as happened with New Zealand when they eliminated their trade barriers and subsidies.
An improved and more efficient agriculture industry would improve our security, wouldn't it?
You won’t be happy until we’re eating dog food
Why would we eat dog food?
Have you ever eaten Australian meat? Its excellent top quality.
Your xenophobia at imports is weird, especially while seeing 27 other nations getting free access to export their meat to us zero tariffs, zero quotas.
They have lower standards then we do. 'OLB' post on PT has examples. Or if you want an even better authority - the best let's be honest - there's Mark Drakeford. But it won't bother you and that's perfectly understandable. This whole thing is bespoke tailored to push all your buttons.
Free trade. Free free free. No quotas or tariffs. Deregulated mangy beef. Don't like it? So don't eat it then. Problem solved. Choice. The market pure and simple. And omg Australia. Red on the map. Trad Commonwealth. Five eyes. FAMILY.
7th Heaven in other words.
I rarely succeed in changing your view on anything but I sometimes like to try. Not here though. It'd be too close to the bone.
"Mangy beef"?
I used to live there you forget, I grew up downunder.
American food is shit, when you talk about shit food and you're talking about American deals you have a point. Australian meat is top nosh. Great quality.
Has anyone on this site ever gone to Australia, eaten beef there and thought "urgh this is mangy dog food shit"? Don't be ridiculous.
As someone who has lived in the US and eats American cooking (as provided by the Wife) every day I beg to differ.
Fair point.
Kraft "cheese" and stuff like that probably doesn't do America's reputation much good. 😂
Like culture, the US exports the lowest common denominator, and keeps the good stuff for itself. Anyone who has been to New York City (or and of the large cities) and said "the food is shit here" probably spent whole trip in a hospital.
American food is rather like British food. Has a mediocre reputation worldwide, but in many big coastal cities you can get fantastic, innovative restaurant food, there's a great array of foreign cuisines, and in the first order cities - New York, LA (London in the UK) - the food can be some of the best in the world. America also has stand-out smaller food cities like New Orleans, which are as good as the best in Europe
Where America does fall down is in the flyover country, where you can drive for 100 miles and the only choice is fast food, literally. DAIRY QUEENS
And don't get me on to the cheese or charcuterie selection in, say, a Walmart in Mississippi. UGH
Yes, America is somewhat of a paradox. It is easy to eat well and healthily, but baffingly expensive. I always remember a friend visiting from the Bay Area and telling me that the almonds in Sainsbury's were half price what they are in his local Safeway BUT THEY WERE GROWN IN CALIFORNIA.
Milk...milk in the US is really expensive...they have masses of land and cows.... like how it is so expensive...
Milk in the US is of pretty poor quality as well unless you're buying proper organic which feels about the same as ordinary milk from anywhere in northern Europe.
The Truss's leadership prospects are surely in tatters. The Tories would never risk her - an absolutely vilified character within Britain's rural communities. Truss the Farmer's Cuss she'll be known as.
Dunno about that. The Tory members in the SE couldn’t give a damn about the farmers.
Everyone knows that the "countryside" is to stop plebs building houses, not for things like "farming". Don't be ridiculous.
I'm beginning to think some people don't know what "food security" means.
How does banning perfectly safe, perfectly scientific, well tested hormone supplements aid our food security?
Especially considering that the hormone supplement ban was protectionist unscientific bullshit that the EU imposed on us, as UK farmers were using hormone supplements until the EU instituted its ban that the UK opposed at the time in the Council of Ministers?
Maybe the UK farmer should just go back to doing what they were before the EU started meddling, and thus improve our food security?
Not hormones, but actually having farming and fishing industries at all in the Isles of Great Britain and Ireland.
Yes we have an industry, it represents all of 0.61% of UK GDP while taking up 70% of UK land.
Being made to compete with the rest of the world would force the industry to improve and become more efficient and more productive, just as happened with New Zealand when they eliminated their trade barriers and subsidies.
An improved and more efficient agriculture industry would improve our security, wouldn't it?
You won’t be happy until we’re eating dog food
Why would we eat dog food?
Have you ever eaten Australian meat? Its excellent top quality.
Your xenophobia at imports is weird, especially while seeing 27 other nations getting free access to export their meat to us zero tariffs, zero quotas.
They have lower standards then we do. 'OLB' post on PT has examples. Or if you want an even better authority - the best let's be honest - there's Mark Drakeford. But it won't bother you and that's perfectly understandable. This whole thing is bespoke tailored to push all your buttons.
Free trade. Free free free. No quotas or tariffs. Deregulated mangy beef. Don't like it? So don't eat it then. Problem solved. Choice. The market pure and simple. And omg Australia. Red on the map. Trad Commonwealth. Five eyes. FAMILY.
7th Heaven in other words.
I rarely succeed in changing your view on anything but I sometimes like to try. Not here though. It'd be too close to the bone.
"Mangy beef"?
I used to live there you forget, I grew up downunder.
American food is shit, when you talk about shit food and you're talking about American deals you have a point. Australian meat is top nosh. Great quality.
Has anyone on this site ever gone to Australia, eaten beef there and thought "urgh this is mangy dog food shit"? Don't be ridiculous.
As someone who has lived in the US and eats American cooking (as provided by the Wife) every day I beg to differ.
I have a friend who - and you can know someone for 20 years and still be finding things out about them - it turns out is a massive fan of really top quality beef. He insists on American beef - reckons it far superior to British in almost all circumstances.
British meat is relatively shit.
I don't know why. But it is. Maybe its the lack of sunshine, maybe its in your head, but go to Australia, or America and the meat there just tastes better. My wife is from South Africa and she says the same thing, when she moved to the UK she stopped eating meat for a while, not because of any 'vegetarian' reason but because it was so disappointing compared to what she was used to in South Africa.
If British and Aussie meat was available at the same price next to each other in a supermarket, I'd be very tempted to go for the latter.
I haven't done a scientific study of this but I tend to agree. I think the UK meat tends to a higher fat content, possibly because our lousy climate encourages that in the animals and our smaller fields means they don't move around as much. Leaner, firmer beef is better in the same way that free range chicken tastes much better than factory farmed.
That's actually a really good explanation! It makes sense.
When I lived in the US, the best steak I could buy locally was from Whole Foods.
Argentinian...
Until they stopped importing it.
Yes! I can finally agree with you on something!
Argentina is another nation that does meat really well - and Argentinian Malbec is great too.
Another nation I'd like to see a zero tariff, zero quota deal with.
it's not a good explanation at all. It is simply 100% wrong. Great marbling of fat makes for great flavoursome beef. This is a known culinary fact.
"The presence of marbling has an extremely positive effect on the eating quality of beef, in terms of tenderness, juiciness/moisture and flavour.
"The fat makes the meat softer and easier to chew, as there is simply less muscle fibre and collagen per unit volume of meat. This decreases the amount of chewing required, leading to a more rapid breakdown of the food, and greater flavour release.
"A small study also found that when specifically Wagyu and Angus steaks had more than 10 per cent intramuscular fat, the steak had significantly higher Flavour Volatiles – a measure of the taste intensity."
Correct. See also making burgers. You want 20-30% fat mince for those. Very hard to find in supermarkets because of our stupid obsession with avoiding animal fat (sugar makes you fat, fat doesn’t make you fat).
I get mine from the butcher, roll in garlic herb butter inside the patty.
Never understand people paying loads of money for "gourmet" burgers from the supermarket...just buy decent mince, egg, herbs, jobs a good'un....
I've started grinding my own meat, so worth it as I can cook my burgers medium rare now. Makes a huge difference and it's not a huge amount of extra work. Also, no egg! If you're using mince with more than 20% fat then there's no need for an additional binding agent, the fat will do it all for you.
I see the people who were having a hernia at Merkel mentioning the British virus are also prolapsing at Sturgeon not using the term Indian variant. A permanent truss (surgical not tory) to keep everything tucked in might be a wise move.
I have no problem with her not using the term Indian variant.
It does beg the term why she does use the term Kent variant though.
Is there a Kentish community in Scotland?
I think that's what Nicola calls the Rangers fans. It's certainly something like that.
The Truss's leadership prospects are surely in tatters. The Tories would never risk her - an absolutely vilified character within Britain's rural communities. Truss the Farmer's Cuss she'll be known as.
Dunno about that. The Tory members in the SE couldn’t give a damn about the farmers.
Everyone knows that the "countryside" is to stop plebs building houses, not for things like "farming". Don't be ridiculous.
I'm beginning to think some people don't know what "food security" means.
How does banning perfectly safe, perfectly scientific, well tested hormone supplements aid our food security?
Especially considering that the hormone supplement ban was protectionist unscientific bullshit that the EU imposed on us, as UK farmers were using hormone supplements until the EU instituted its ban that the UK opposed at the time in the Council of Ministers?
Maybe the UK farmer should just go back to doing what they were before the EU started meddling, and thus improve our food security?
Not hormones, but actually having farming and fishing industries at all in the Isles of Great Britain and Ireland.
Yes we have an industry, it represents all of 0.61% of UK GDP while taking up 70% of UK land.
Being made to compete with the rest of the world would force the industry to improve and become more efficient and more productive, just as happened with New Zealand when they eliminated their trade barriers and subsidies.
An improved and more efficient agriculture industry would improve our security, wouldn't it?
You won’t be happy until we’re eating dog food
Why would we eat dog food?
Have you ever eaten Australian meat? Its excellent top quality.
Your xenophobia at imports is weird, especially while seeing 27 other nations getting free access to export their meat to us zero tariffs, zero quotas.
They have lower standards then we do. 'OLB' post on PT has examples. Or if you want an even better authority - the best let's be honest - there's Mark Drakeford. But it won't bother you and that's perfectly understandable. This whole thing is bespoke tailored to push all your buttons.
Free trade. Free free free. No quotas or tariffs. Deregulated mangy beef. Don't like it? So don't eat it then. Problem solved. Choice. The market pure and simple. And omg Australia. Red on the map. Trad Commonwealth. Five eyes. FAMILY.
7th Heaven in other words.
I rarely succeed in changing your view on anything but I sometimes like to try. Not here though. It'd be too close to the bone.
"Mangy beef"?
I used to live there you forget, I grew up downunder.
American food is shit, when you talk about shit food and you're talking about American deals you have a point. Australian meat is top nosh. Great quality.
Has anyone on this site ever gone to Australia, eaten beef there and thought "urgh this is mangy dog food shit"? Don't be ridiculous.
As someone who has lived in the US and eats American cooking (as provided by the Wife) every day I beg to differ.
Fair point.
Kraft "cheese" and stuff like that probably doesn't do America's reputation much good. 😂
Like culture, the US exports the lowest common denominator, and keeps the good stuff for itself. Anyone who has been to New York City (or and of the large cities) and said "the food is shit here" probably spent whole trip in a hospital.
American food is rather like British food. Has a mediocre reputation worldwide, but in many big coastal cities you can get fantastic, innovative restaurant food, there's a great array of foreign cuisines, and in the first order cities - New York, LA (London in the UK) - the food can be some of the best in the world. America also has stand-out smaller food cities like New Orleans, which are as good as the best in Europe
Where America does fall down is in the flyover country, where you can drive for 100 miles and the only choice is fast food, literally. DAIRY QUEENS
And don't get me on to the cheese or charcuterie selection in, say, a Walmart in Mississippi. UGH
Yes, America is somewhat of a paradox. It is easy to eat well and healthily on the coasts, but baffingly expensive. I always remember a friend visiting from the Bay Area and telling me that the almonds in Sainsbury's were half price what they are in his local Safeway BUT THEY WERE GROWN IN CALIFORNIA.
And on Manhattan, where there are no supermarkets except about one Trader Joe's, it's even worse. I met another friend in New York once who was studying at NYU and he told me he'd get together with a few other students and get a cab to the nearest Costco and back ($70-$80) and do his food shopping there rather than pay bodega prices.
Italy has the same supermarket problem. Try looking for a decent big supermarket in the centre of Milan or Naples. Impossible. It's just tiny stores selling massively overpriced tins of tomatoes, and three kinds of Chianti with a 200% mark up
It's bizarre in a country with such brilliant cuisine, generally
If you want to shop well you have to go the bakers, the butchers, the market, the wine store, which is all very picturesque and Italian but is also a bloody pain, and they are often shut for most of the day
Around the late 50s, two or three of us undergrads would occasionally visit home, driving from Pasadena to Chicago in a couple of days stopping only for piss, petrol, coffee, and food. For the last two our preference was for those little kiosks in the middle of nowhere. At that time they were having an ersatz price war for the number of hamburgers you could get for a dollar. Five seemed to be the best effort. They must have used rolling pins to flatten the mince to paper thinness, but that was probably healthier, and anyway I'm an eating machine, 'though I do appreciate good food.
One of the places where we stopped for food was a large hangar-like structure with a bar and snack counter at one end, a huge dance hall, and available hookers at the far side. We had a burger or two and left. I suppose they made their money on weekends. The burgers were OK though.
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Which makes it so bizarre and twisted we waste 70% of land on it!
Perhaps, just perhaps, you’re promoting a shit deal for your adopted country?
Juat f##k off.
Australia isn't a threat to that, IMHO. Home-grown vegan ideology is a far bigger one.
As for other uses put it on the free market and see what people come up with. Could be used for more efficient agriculture, or housing, or industry, or retail or anything else. Let the market resolve it.
We can and should be a powerhouse of dairy and meat products though. The quality of British dairy is incredible and our meat, IMO, has few equals. So I'm more than happy to shift some land to housing or industrial use, definitely, but I also think that with the correct reforms UK agriculture has got huge scope for growth and export growth now that the market will dictate what UK growing conditions can sustain.
In addition we don't really have the intense farming of the USA and higher welfare standards than the EU with respect to pig farming.
So it's massive land areas of middling agriculture. The farmers do tend to sell up if they can turn their fields of rape into fields of chimney pots too; that's a whole another argument though.
That is exactly what happened with New Zealand when they abandoned protectionism and subsidies too.
Getting more competition and better practicies absolutely could see our agriculture output improve while simultaneously freeing up land for industrial uses like Gigafactories or anything else we might productively use it for.
Where America does fall down is in the flyover country, where you can drive for 100 miles and the only choice is fast food, literally. DAIRY QUEENS
And don't get me on to the cheese or charcuterie selection in, say, a Walmart in Mississippi. UGH
I usually spend a month a year there and have to be so careful with food, otherwise so easy to put on serious weight in no time.
that could literally be a line said by Jez or Quinn from 'Its Grim Up North London''
I just think things can be better. Politics is about making things better.
I don't have any pretentions that everything is perfect in England.
I've read various theories about this inability to serve sane portions, my favourite is this: it derives from the backstory of early immigrants, who were often fleeing Famine - Ireland, Germany - and therefore Americans are hardwired to want LOTS of food, whatever it is
The best food thing in America - where it beats the world - is barbecues. They REALLY know how to do a barbie.
Helps that they actually have sunshine
Waitrose, M&S, all superb
Pret is still pretty damn good
Much better than America, I think
But there’s also a whole load of seriously crap cheap food, stuffed full of calories and served in massive portions.
Swings and roundabouts
I don't know why. But it is. Maybe its the lack of sunshine, maybe its in your head, but go to Australia, or America and the meat there just tastes better. My wife is from South Africa and she says the same thing, when she moved to the UK she stopped eating meat for a while, not because of any 'vegetarian' reason but because it was so disappointing compared to what she was used to in South Africa.
If British and Aussie meat was available at the same price next to each other in a supermarket, I'd be very tempted to go for the latter.
The best sandwich I ever had was from a sandwich shop in Leeds, in one of those little indoor parades of shops off Briggate. January 2008. Roast beef and marmalade.
Argentinian...
Until they stopped importing it.
https://bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-scotland-57177372
Why this particular one? Was Brazil, SA and dare I say it Kent, ok?
But Whole Foods has about 300 outlets in America, and Walmart has 4,000+, so you are far more likely to end up buying dire purple "cheddar balls" in WalMart, than a nice Wisconsin Brie or Talleggio in Whole Foods
They are honestly amazing now. I pulled into a service station on the M4 a few weeks ago and it had a little Waitrose. They did these chorizo with avocado and sriracha wraps, duck with hoison and spring onion tacos (or whatever, I forget the deets) - bloody delicious. Superb!
Expand your mind
I was there on a temporary visa then returned home, there was never any intention to settle permanently nor a permanent visa. That's an expat.
On the other hand they are about £20 each, so there's that
I honestly can't tell the difference between a cheap British steak and the same in Aussie or America - or across Europe. It tastes like OK-ish cheap steak. Because that's what it is. They are now factory farmed in the same way with the same feed across the world, so it makes sense there is no sizeable variation in quality.
Argentina is the one exception. Their food is generally shit, but the steaks are yum
Have you seen Chef's Table BBQ on Netflix yet? UHD and an absolutely beautiful series. You will love it.
Nope. Leon is right. The food in mainstream supermarkets in the States is almost universally awful. Absolute shite. That is not to say one cannot eat well in America – as he and Francis have also said, there is some fantastic dining if you know where to look.
"One of the best food-experiences is Wagyu Beef from Japan. For the American palate, flavorful beef needs to have at least 3-percent of fat. Wagyu is well above 20-percent. While this delectable protein is renowned for its marbling and amazing flavor, did you also know that it's packed full of nutrition?"
https://meatthebutchers.com/wagyu-beef-nutritional-facts/#:~:text=One of the best food,it's packed full of nutrition?
Argentina is another nation that does meat really well - and Argentinian Malbec is great too.
Another nation I'd like to see a zero tariff, zero quota deal with.
Come to that, is land area the most useful input statistic? Why not money or number of people?
That said, aiui British agricultural inefficiency is often heralded as a good thing for biodiversity because our farms have small fields with hedges, whereas America and even more so Australia have single fields the size of cities. And Canada and Scandinavia grow planks of wood and Christmas trees.
But in any case, if we do close all the farms, what will we do instead? Surely the real @Philip_Thompson would say we should take no action at all because if there were a better, more efficient, alternative use for this land, the market will already have taken care of it or, at a pinch, will do so soon.
"The presence of marbling has an extremely positive effect on the eating quality of beef, in terms of tenderness, juiciness/moisture and flavour.
"The fat makes the meat softer and easier to chew, as there is simply less muscle fibre and collagen per unit volume of meat. This decreases the amount of chewing required, leading to a more rapid breakdown of the food, and greater flavour release.
"A small study also found that when specifically Wagyu and Angus steaks had more than 10 per cent intramuscular fat, the steak had significantly higher Flavour Volatiles – a measure of the taste intensity."
https://steakschool.com/learn/beef-marbling-everything-you-need-to-know/
As I've said before, I would have a free market. Protect Areas of Natural Beauty etc, but anything else abolish planning consent and just go with a free market. Yes then the market can take care of it, but right now it can't.
The question is will we see this post pandemic of people from London and which areas? I imagine Wiltshire and Somerset, as still easy to get to London.
Recently I've got into making Singapore chicken laksas. You need the best chicken possible and my local Marks and Sparks does great free range, corn fed, super premium chicken thighs. = yummy laksas
The other day I made another laksa and all I could find was the bog standard factory farm yukky cheap chicken, and it was so much worse. The pain in the animal somehow made it onto the plate. Sad.
However the fat thing just isn't true
That link you said (and you yourself) says that Wagyu is the best marbling and that comes largely from the nutrition it is fed.
Maybe the UK's cows, left to graze on cold fields, aren't getting the same nutrition and developing the marbling effect the same as Wagyu and other beef does.
Aberdeen Angus to be fair is good beef in Britain too. I'm not sure how that's generated different to the rest of the beef here.
BBC could be forced to appoint a new editorial board in wake of Martin Bashir scandal
Ministers sympathetic to proposals by Lord Grade, former BBC director general, for board of editors & senior journalists to deal with complaints
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/0ddf7e30-ba21-11eb-98e3-d1306649ebf7?shareToken=6646e2a29ff884bed25d215196991e6e
They need to hire a director of better
It does beg the term why she does use the term Kent variant though.
I especially love them at the moment as it is the only escape from rain-soaked, freezing Britain
And on Manhattan, where there are no supermarkets except about one Trader Joe's, it's even worse. I met another friend in New York once who was studying at NYU and he told me he'd get together with a few other students and get a cab to the nearest Costco and back ($70-$80) and do his food shopping there rather than pay bodega prices.
I get mine from the butcher, roll in garlic herb butter inside the patty.
There are other foodie hotspots developing around the country. Suffolk, Herefordshire, Ludlow, Skye, the Lakes...
And you can't get decent tea to put it in. I always bring my own when I go there.
It's bizarre in a country with such brilliant cuisine, generally
If you want to shop well you have to go the bakers, the butchers, the market, the wine store, which is all very picturesque and Italian but is also a bloody pain, and they are often shut for most of the day