Very hard to get rid of the shit and the smell out of the carpet after someone takes a massive dump on it.
You clearly haven't been telephone canvassing for Labour.
Corbyn doesn't get a mention
Lack of policies lack of charisma lack of warmth lack of being on my side get plenty.
Main thing to make a return They are all the same
The thing I don't get is this - there are oceans of Social Democratic policies out there. That would warm the hearts of everyone from Corbynistas to the wet end of the Conservatives. That's lots and lots of votes.
Yes, I know. This is what Blair did. And hence Evul.
But why not?
Did Blair set out lots of Labour policies prior to the 1997 election campaign? I was only 5 years old at the time so obviously I don't know. It seems that in modern times the opposition only set out policies when the manifesto gets released.
Blair did not set out a substantive raft of policies, no. It was a timid offering. The anodyne pledge card. Sticking to Tory spending plans for 2 years. Do not frighten the horses.
The 97 landslide was built on a feeling. Time for a change. Tired sleazy Tories. THINGS CAN ONLY GET BETTER.
It worked a D:ream. The Conservative government was flushed away like a turd despite the economy looking (and being) quite rosy.
Which just goes to show.
Indeed - its just not healthy to have one party in permanent power, whether that is the Tories in England, the SNP in Scotland or Labour in Wales. People become complacent, more interested in fighting their petty squabbles, lose sight of the public at large. Labour in England needs to start remembering that its no good having the best policies in the world if no one will vote you into power. How much do they hate Blair that showed them that the country was never going to be as socialist as the party?
I agree. One party rule is the pits. And especially if that one party are the Tories.
On 'socialism', I think we need a reset. The economy being substantially nationalized is a dead idea. But policies to devolve wealth and opportunity away from those rolling in it to those starved of it are more needed than ever. For me, this is modern relevant socialism. New socialism if you like.
So I'd like to see us keep the radical spirit of the Corbyn era but (sorry Owen) ditch its clumsy, old fashioned policy programme. Come up with policies that will work in practice to achieve the above objective, a really significant devolution of wealth and opportunity.
And present this with real passion.
New Socialism. New Britain. New Socialism. New Britain.
That is Social Democracy as it is understood across Europe.
There was more Labour effort here than was obvious - when it became obvious that Hartlepool was lost, some full-timers were diverted to Airdrie, and every member in the country got an appeal to help telephone GOTV on the day. That's why I was struck by the lack of interest here (Betfair didn't even bother to have a market, though they offer bets on all kinds of stuff). I think it's a very good result and encouraging for Sarwar despite the grumpy comments from Tories downthread.
flattering on a low turnout. They will never do anything as long as they are sockpuppets to London and anti independence, makes them just Tories, they even have the millionaire leader to boot. Socialist my arse. Nothing to offer but unionism.
It was precisely because they are anti independence Scottish Labour got Tory tactical votes and cut the SNP majority in Airdrie and Shotts.
If they were pro independence they would not have got Tory and LD tactical votes and would have lost votes to the Unionist parties without gaining any from the SNP
This move below 40 for vaccinations seems to be causing problems because of the decision not to use AZN. At my centre people with appointments are arriving to be turned away because AZN is all they have there currently, and they’re not able to use it for under-40s.
Isnt the official guidance for under 40s to take another vaccine IF available. If one is not available surely they can still get AZ?
That does appear to be the national guidance, at least as initially reported by the BBC. However the island's main vaccine centre is saying that they are "not allowed" to give the AZN. Unless advice has changed before it was transmitted out to the field, this may be a case of whoever runs the island's vaccination centre not understanding, in which case hopefully s/he'll soon be put straight. You can imagine how upset people are; I'd have been furious, waiting anxiously for months and then turning up there, if I'd been sent home.
As it is, I did my NHS antibody test yesterday afternoon (as part of the random sampling study) and it showed I had long-term antibodies after my single AZN, which is very reassuring!
It is the guidance on the govt official website, which for covid stuff does tend to be updated on the day anything changes. It is also what was said in the press conferences, it baffles me how this can end up misunderstood.
Local under-40s are saying that's what they've told. The local council has tweeted that under-40s will "directed to vaccination centres offering Pfizer and Moderna in the local area in line with JVCI guidance" - except there aren't any bookable through the national website, as North Island isn't seen as "local". The NHS Trust and CCG have both so far refused to provide a statement - which suggests they are urgently trying to find out what is going on.
I'm 38 and I got turned away from the Riverside centre in Newport yesterday. When I got to the admin desk they asked how old I was, and the lady said that she was sorry but they "would have to refuse me" because they only had the AZ vaccine and they "were not allowed" to give it to me due to my age. I would have been happy to have received it, but was not given the option to. She said that I wasn't the first person that they had had to turn away. I was told to contact my GP and was escorted out. My GP told me that I should try to find somewhere on the mainland that was offering Pfizer because they are not vaccinating my cohort yet. I've managed to book an appointment in Southampton for 25 May, but when I went on to the NHS site this morning, I still was given the Riverside as the first option.
Wow, what were the chances that one of the people affected would pop up on PB?
The way you have been treated was shabby, as well as appearing to be out of line with national guidance. I've already been back to the local press suggesting they focus on this line of the story, and giving them the Selby example as ammunition to throw at the NHS. Hopefully it'll be resolved soon; making you wait until 25 May and travel to North Island is extremely poor.
I was quite upset about it at the time. I got told yesterday that the GP led centre at Carisbrooke is currently only vaccinating those who are over 46, so it would be quite a long time before they got round to my age group. They are using the Pfizer vaccine there. I know that some of the other GP led centres on the Island are a bit further ahead, but I'm worried that the rollout here is going to be delayed if the only mass vaccination centre is now off limits.
The interesting thing is that, given the (misinterpreted) guidance came out late last week, if this was widespread you'd expect quite an impact in first vaccination numbers, which is not apparent. Even with people being given the option, you might expect enough refusals to impact numbers.
(Of course, there may be an impact - maybe the trend in first vaccinations should be upwards, based on bookings, rather than pretty flat as it appears)
Also, my wife - who is 35 - is now booked in at the same centre this Saturday (got the text today). So they've presumably either got storage in for Pfizer/Moderna or they'll be giving her the choice (like me, to not have AZN and rebook when it's available). You'd expect, a week or so after the new guidance, that they'd have tried to phase out first jab AZN everywhere, even if only to aovid the inefficiency of refusals, but we'll see...
I think the provisioning system was changed on the 10th to only offer appointments to under 40s where Pfizer/Moderna is available. All of my friends who have been getting their first jabs this week were given Pfizer.
Well, that would make sense - which would make me very sceptical of it being the case (government/NHS project, afteralll), but then I look at the efficiency of the rollout so far and my scepticism evaporates somewhat.
The Airdrie and Shotts result confirms tactical voting and the split of 53.6/46.4 in favour of the union, which also confirms the recent trend away from Independence
My wife and I are greatly saddened with the way Scotland is descending into an acrimonious and ever more rancorous divide between the Scots themselves, as the governance of the country slides further into disharmony and disarray
I know McVities decision to close it's Glasgow factory and concentrate it's production on it's other RUK factories may not be directly a result of the chaos over the Scottish constitution, but it is bound to play an ever increasing negative factor on those individuals and companies who would like to invest in Scotland, but look at the years of uncertainty and can invest elsewhere in the UK
Our Nationalist friends on here are so dismissive of anyone who may support the union in their blind zeal to gain Independence, but I really do believe that the attraction to most Scots of divorce from the RUK with all it entails in currency, pensions, borders and even the strong cross border family ties is likely to see either indyref2 won by the union or even the SNP 'kicking the can down the road' as the way to independence seems near impossible to win.
What is certain though, is that Nicola cannot continue 'stonewalling every question' about the consequences of her Independence position and she needs to start laying out her proposals to the Scottish people for a post Independent Scotland and be examined by impartial experts with the plus and minuses made absolutely clear to the people of Scotland
The Scots deserve nothing less
Unionist lackies relocate to England, good riddance to them. Hopefully their crap biscuits get boycotted.
Good Morning Malc
If that is how you see the loss of 500 Scottish jobs then you are either just being controversial for the sake of it or you are not prepared to accept the cold hard facts that as long as this constitutional crisis and inter Scot warfare between each other continues, the less investment and jobs Scotland will see.
Furthermore, until Nicola addressees the relevant responses needed to how an Independent Scotland would deal with the currency, pensions, borders, and not least the cross border family ties then the majority of canny Scots will decide to remain in the union
I don't want to drink too heavily from the sub-sample cup but what's interesting here is how Labour and the Conservatives are virtually level in the 25-49 year old age group.
I imagine the Conservatives have a clear lead once you get past 40+ and perhaps even for 35+ but that will disguise gender and social class - I imagine high-educated women don't "flip" until 45+.
One point that is definitely true about the Airdrie and Shotts by election result is that it tells us absolutely nothing about Labour's prospects outwith Scotland.
Lib Dem 1% , how humiliating but hardly surprising, they need to find an individual relevent issue and concentrate on that, just saying no referendum etc produces results such as this, sadly they are becoming more and more common. With 4 MSP's they are no longer a party in the Assembly. Soon that number will shrink.
This move below 40 for vaccinations seems to be causing problems because of the decision not to use AZN. At my centre people with appointments are arriving to be turned away because AZN is all they have there currently, and they’re not able to use it for under-40s.
Isnt the official guidance for under 40s to take another vaccine IF available. If one is not available surely they can still get AZ?
That does appear to be the national guidance, at least as initially reported by the BBC. However the island's main vaccine centre is saying that they are "not allowed" to give the AZN. Unless advice has changed before it was transmitted out to the field, this may be a case of whoever runs the island's vaccination centre not understanding, in which case hopefully s/he'll soon be put straight. You can imagine how upset people are; I'd have been furious, waiting anxiously for months and then turning up there, if I'd been sent home.
As it is, I did my NHS antibody test yesterday afternoon (as part of the random sampling study) and it showed I had long-term antibodies after my single AZN, which is very reassuring!
It is the guidance on the govt official website, which for covid stuff does tend to be updated on the day anything changes. It is also what was said in the press conferences, it baffles me how this can end up misunderstood.
Local under-40s are saying that's what they've told. The local council has tweeted that under-40s will "directed to vaccination centres offering Pfizer and Moderna in the local area in line with JVCI guidance" - except there aren't any bookable through the national website, as North Island isn't seen as "local". The NHS Trust and CCG have both so far refused to provide a statement - which suggests they are urgently trying to find out what is going on.
I'm 38 and I got turned away from the Riverside centre in Newport yesterday. When I got to the admin desk they asked how old I was, and the lady said that she was sorry but they "would have to refuse me" because they only had the AZ vaccine and they "were not allowed" to give it to me due to my age. I would have been happy to have received it, but was not given the option to. She said that I wasn't the first person that they had had to turn away. I was told to contact my GP and was escorted out. My GP told me that I should try to find somewhere on the mainland that was offering Pfizer because they are not vaccinating my cohort yet. I've managed to book an appointment in Southampton for 25 May, but when I went on to the NHS site this morning, I still was given the Riverside as the first option.
Wow, what were the chances that one of the people affected would pop up on PB?
The way you have been treated was shabby, as well as appearing to be out of line with national guidance. I've already been back to the local press suggesting they focus on this line of the story, and giving them the Selby example as ammunition to throw at the NHS. Hopefully it'll be resolved soon; making you wait until 25 May and travel to North Island is extremely poor.
I was quite upset about it at the time. I got told yesterday that the GP led centre at Carisbrooke is currently only vaccinating those who are over 46, so it would be quite a long time before they got round to my age group. They are using the Pfizer vaccine there. I know that some of the other GP led centres on the Island are a bit further ahead, but I'm worried that the rollout here is going to be delayed if the only mass vaccination centre is now off limits.
The interesting thing is that, given the (misinterpreted) guidance came out late last week, if this was widespread you'd expect quite an impact in first vaccination numbers, which is not apparent. Even with people being given the option, you might expect enough refusals to impact numbers.
(Of course, there may be an impact - maybe the trend in first vaccinations should be upwards, based on bookings, rather than pretty flat as it appears)
Also, my wife - who is 35 - is now booked in at the same centre this Saturday (got the text today). So they've presumably either got storage in for Pfizer/Moderna or they'll be giving her the choice (like me, to not have AZN and rebook when it's available). You'd expect, a week or so after the new guidance, that they'd have tried to phase out first jab AZN everywhere, even if only to aovid the inefficiency of refusals, but we'll see...
I think the provisioning system was changed on the 10th to only offer appointments to under 40s where Pfizer/Moderna is available. All of my friends who have been getting their first jabs this week were given Pfizer.
Well, that would make sense - which would make me very sceptical of it being the case (government/NHS project, afteralll), but then I look at the efficiency of the rollout so far and my scepticism evaporates somewhat.
I think the provisioning system was built externally as it is quite complicated. I'd be surprised if PHE or the NHS had the technical ability to build it in house. It handles real time logistics and patient matching based on where specific vaccines are all over the country. It's one of the most impressive parts of the rollout IMO and forms the backbone of why the vaccine programme has been so successful and uncharacteristically drama free for public sector tech.
The Airdrie and Shotts result confirms tactical voting and the split of 53.6/46.4 in favour of the union, which also confirms the recent trend away from Independence
My wife and I are greatly saddened with the way Scotland is descending into an acrimonious and ever more rancorous divide between the Scots themselves, as the governance of the country slides further into disharmony and disarray
I know McVities decision to close it's Glasgow factory and concentrate it's production on it's other RUK factories may not be directly a result of the chaos over the Scottish constitution, but it is bound to play an ever increasing negative factor on those individuals and companies who would like to invest in Scotland, but look at the years of uncertainty and can invest elsewhere in the UK
Our Nationalist friends on here are so dismissive of anyone who may support the union in their blind zeal to gain Independence, but I really do believe that the attraction to most Scots of divorce from the RUK with all it entails in currency, pensions, borders and even the strong cross border family ties is likely to see either indyref2 won by the union or even the SNP 'kicking the can down the road' as the way to independence seems near impossible to win.
What is certain though, is that Nicola cannot continue 'stonewalling every question' about the consequences of her Independence position and she needs to start laying out her proposals to the Scottish people for a post Independent Scotland and be examined by impartial experts with the plus and minuses made absolutely clear to the people of Scotland
The Scots deserve nothing less
Unionist lackies relocate to England, good riddance to them. Hopefully their crap biscuits get boycotted.
Man cannot live by Tunnocks alone.
The SNP - condemning its youth to never knowing the delights of a Chocolate Hobnob. Oh, the inhumanity.
Lib Dem 1% , how humiliating but hardly surprising, they need to find an individual relevent issue and concentrate on that, just saying no referendum etc produces results such as this, sadly they are becoming more and more common. With 4 MSP's they are no longer a party in the Assembly. Soon that number will shrink.
Very hard to get rid of the shit and the smell out of the carpet after someone takes a massive dump on it.
You clearly haven't been telephone canvassing for Labour.
Corbyn doesn't get a mention
Lack of policies lack of charisma lack of warmth lack of being on my side get plenty.
Main thing to make a return They are all the same
The thing I don't get is this - there are oceans of Social Democratic policies out there. That would warm the hearts of everyone from Corbynistas to the wet end of the Conservatives. That's lots and lots of votes.
Yes, I know. This is what Blair did. And hence Evul.
But why not?
Did Blair set out lots of Labour policies prior to the 1997 election campaign? I was only 5 years old at the time so obviously I don't know. It seems that in modern times the opposition only set out policies when the manifesto gets released.
Blair did not set out a substantive raft of policies, no. It was a timid offering. The anodyne pledge card. Sticking to Tory spending plans for 2 years. Do not frighten the horses.
The 97 landslide was built on a feeling. Time for a change. Tired sleazy Tories. THINGS CAN ONLY GET BETTER.
It worked a D:ream. The Conservative government was flushed away like a turd despite the economy looking (and being) quite rosy.
Which just goes to show.
Indeed - its just not healthy to have one party in permanent power, whether that is the Tories in England, the SNP in Scotland or Labour in Wales. People become complacent, more interested in fighting their petty squabbles, lose sight of the public at large. Labour in England needs to start remembering that its no good having the best policies in the world if no one will vote you into power. How much do they hate Blair that showed them that the country was never going to be as socialist as the party?
I agree. One party rule is the pits. And especially if that one party are the Tories.
On 'socialism', I think we need a reset. The economy being substantially nationalized is a dead idea. But policies to devolve wealth and opportunity away from those rolling in it to those starved of it are more needed than ever. For me, this is modern relevant socialism. New socialism if you like.
So I'd like to see us keep the radical spirit of the Corbyn era but (sorry Owen) ditch its clumsy, old fashioned policy programme. Come up with policies that will work in practice to achieve the above objective, a really significant devolution of wealth and opportunity.
And present this with real passion.
New Socialism. New Britain. New Socialism. New Britain.
The Airdrie and Shotts result confirms tactical voting and the split of 53.6/46.4 in favour of the union, which also confirms the recent trend away from Independence
My wife and I are greatly saddened with the way Scotland is descending into an acrimonious and ever more rancorous divide between the Scots themselves, as the governance of the country slides further into disharmony and disarray
I know McVities decision to close it's Glasgow factory and concentrate it's production on it's other RUK factories may not be directly a result of the chaos over the Scottish constitution, but it is bound to play an ever increasing negative factor on those individuals and companies who would like to invest in Scotland, but look at the years of uncertainty and can invest elsewhere in the UK
Our Nationalist friends on here are so dismissive of anyone who may support the union in their blind zeal to gain Independence, but I really do believe that the attraction to most Scots of divorce from the RUK with all it entails in currency, pensions, borders and even the strong cross border family ties is likely to see either indyref2 won by the union or even the SNP 'kicking the can down the road' as the way to independence seems near impossible to win.
What is certain though, is that Nicola cannot continue 'stonewalling every question' about the consequences of her Independence position and she needs to start laying out her proposals to the Scottish people for a post Independent Scotland and be examined by impartial experts with the plus and minuses made absolutely clear to the people of Scotland
The Scots deserve nothing less
Unionist lackies relocate to England, good riddance to them. Hopefully their crap biscuits get boycotted.
Man cannot live by Tunnocks alone.
The SNP - condemning its youth to never knowing the delights of a Chocolate Hobnob. Oh, the inhumanity.
Let them eat cake
Or dropscones. With raspberry jam. (I'm hungry, and even more nso now.)
The Airdrie and Shotts result confirms tactical voting and the split of 53.6/46.4 in favour of the union, which also confirms the recent trend away from Independence
My wife and I are greatly saddened with the way Scotland is descending into an acrimonious and ever more rancorous divide between the Scots themselves, as the governance of the country slides further into disharmony and disarray
I know McVities decision to close it's Glasgow factory and concentrate it's production on it's other RUK factories may not be directly a result of the chaos over the Scottish constitution, but it is bound to play an ever increasing negative factor on those individuals and companies who would like to invest in Scotland, but look at the years of uncertainty and can invest elsewhere in the UK
Our Nationalist friends on here are so dismissive of anyone who may support the union in their blind zeal to gain Independence, but I really do believe that the attraction to most Scots of divorce from the RUK with all it entails in currency, pensions, borders and even the strong cross border family ties is likely to see either indyref2 won by the union or even the SNP 'kicking the can down the road' as the way to independence seems near impossible to win.
What is certain though, is that Nicola cannot continue 'stonewalling every question' about the consequences of her Independence position and she needs to start laying out her proposals to the Scottish people for a post Independent Scotland and be examined by impartial experts with the plus and minuses made absolutely clear to the people of Scotland
The Scots deserve nothing less
Unionist lackies relocate to England, good riddance to them.
Scotland has the weakest Investment Environment in the UK. It has deteriorated in every area over the past decade, as fewer firms demand new capital and financing services decline. The value of loans provided to small and medium enterprises in Glasgow by major banks is at £2,831 per capita, which is much lower than the UK average £4,560.
• The conditions for local enterprise have also deteriorated. They are particularly weak in the Central Belt. Tax compliance and local government restrictions are more likely to be viewed as a barrier to business—8% of business owners say that local government restrictions are a barrier to business, the highest in the UK.
UK Prosperity Report
Yes also much better place to live , safer, etc. We are not all greedy grasping desperate for more money Tory unionists. You missed those bits in your obsession with money , how Boris of you.
There was more Labour effort here than was obvious - when it became obvious that Hartlepool was lost, some full-timers were diverted to Airdrie, and every member in the country got an appeal to help telephone GOTV on the day. That's why I was struck by the lack of interest here (Betfair didn't even bother to have a market, though they offer bets on all kinds of stuff). I think it's a very good result and encouraging for Sarwar despite the grumpy comments from Tories downthread.
flattering on a low turnout. They will never do anything as long as they are sockpuppets to London and anti independence, makes them just Tories, they even have the millionaire leader to boot. Socialist my arse. Nothing to offer but unionism.
It was precisely because they are anti independence Scottish Labour got Tory tactical votes and cut the SNP majority in Airdrie and Shotts.
If they were pro independence they would not have got Tory and LD tactical votes and would have lost votes to the Unionist parties without gaining any from the SNP
No evidence for Unionist tactical voting, that can't be explained by differential turnout given the much lower turnout. [edut]
There was more Labour effort here than was obvious - when it became obvious that Hartlepool was lost, some full-timers were diverted to Airdrie, and every member in the country got an appeal to help telephone GOTV on the day. That's why I was struck by the lack of interest here (Betfair didn't even bother to have a market, though they offer bets on all kinds of stuff). I think it's a very good result and encouraging for Sarwar despite the grumpy comments from Tories downthread.
My grumpy comment is wtf were 2812 Tories playing at? I would have voted Labour here in a heart beat and anyone who is a thinking member of the Conservative and UNIONIST party really should have done the same. Yet another opportunity missed.
Sorry, didn't see your comment, was primarily thinking of Marquee Mark, who clearly rates Labour losing more highly than keeping the country together. I think it's a good result simply because it shows the long drought in Scottish Labour is easing and they're becoming more transfer-friendly.
I see the result as mildly encouraging for Labour and implies that the seat is a realistic target at the next GE.
There was more Labour effort here than was obvious - when it became obvious that Hartlepool was lost, some full-timers were diverted to Airdrie, and every member in the country got an appeal to help telephone GOTV on the day. That's why I was struck by the lack of interest here (Betfair didn't even bother to have a market, though they offer bets on all kinds of stuff). I think it's a very good result and encouraging for Sarwar despite the grumpy comments from Tories downthread.
My grumpy comment is wtf were 2812 Tories playing at? I would have voted Labour here in a heart beat and anyone who is a thinking member of the Conservative and UNIONIST party really should have done the same. Yet another opportunity missed.
Sorry, didn't see your comment, was primarily thinking of Marquee Mark, who clearly rates Labour losing more highly than keeping the country together. I think it's a good result simply because it shows the long drought in Scottish Labour is easing and they're becoming more transfer-friendly.
I see the result as mildly encouraging for Labour and implies that the seat is a realistic target at the next GE.
They did throw resources at it from all over Scxotland/UK (not sure which NP meant). Not possible in a GE to the same extent.
The Airdrie and Shotts result confirms tactical voting and the split of 53.6/46.4 in favour of the union, which also confirms the recent trend away from Independence
My wife and I are greatly saddened with the way Scotland is descending into an acrimonious and ever more rancorous divide between the Scots themselves, as the governance of the country slides further into disharmony and disarray
I know McVities decision to close it's Glasgow factory and concentrate it's production on it's other RUK factories may not be directly a result of the chaos over the Scottish constitution, but it is bound to play an ever increasing negative factor on those individuals and companies who would like to invest in Scotland, but look at the years of uncertainty and can invest elsewhere in the UK
Our Nationalist friends on here are so dismissive of anyone who may support the union in their blind zeal to gain Independence, but I really do believe that the attraction to most Scots of divorce from the RUK with all it entails in currency, pensions, borders and even the strong cross border family ties is likely to see either indyref2 won by the union or even the SNP 'kicking the can down the road' as the way to independence seems near impossible to win.
What is certain though, is that Nicola cannot continue 'stonewalling every question' about the consequences of her Independence position and she needs to start laying out her proposals to the Scottish people for a post Independent Scotland and be examined by impartial experts with the plus and minuses made absolutely clear to the people of Scotland
The Scots deserve nothing less
Unionist lackies relocate to England, good riddance to them.
Scotland has the weakest Investment Environment in the UK. It has deteriorated in every area over the past decade, as fewer firms demand new capital and financing services decline. The value of loans provided to small and medium enterprises in Glasgow by major banks is at £2,831 per capita, which is much lower than the UK average £4,560.
• The conditions for local enterprise have also deteriorated. They are particularly weak in the Central Belt. Tax compliance and local government restrictions are more likely to be viewed as a barrier to business—8% of business owners say that local government restrictions are a barrier to business, the highest in the UK.
UK Prosperity Report
Yes also much better place to live , safer, etc. We are not all greedy grasping desperate for more money Tory unionists. You missed those bits in your obsession with money , how Boris of you.
I posted the overall assessment on Scotland earlier. That was a reply to your cheery insouciance - indeed, almost welcoming - that 500 Scots jobs were being lost.
There was more Labour effort here than was obvious - when it became obvious that Hartlepool was lost, some full-timers were diverted to Airdrie, and every member in the country got an appeal to help telephone GOTV on the day. That's why I was struck by the lack of interest here (Betfair didn't even bother to have a market, though they offer bets on all kinds of stuff). I think it's a very good result and encouraging for Sarwar despite the grumpy comments from Tories downthread.
flattering on a low turnout. They will never do anything as long as they are sockpuppets to London and anti independence, makes them just Tories, they even have the millionaire leader to boot. Socialist my arse. Nothing to offer but unionism.
It was precisely because they are anti independence Scottish Labour got Tory tactical votes and cut the SNP majority in Airdrie and Shotts.
If they were pro independence they would not have got Tory and LD tactical votes and would have lost votes to the Unionist parties without gaining any from the SNP
No evidence for Unionist tactical voting, given the much lower turnout.
Dear old HY does not need evidence, Mr Carnyx. It is a matter of Faith. He believes in the Conservative Party and everything it does.
The Airdrie and Shotts result confirms tactical voting and the split of 53.6/46.4 in favour of the union, which also confirms the recent trend away from Independence
My wife and I are greatly saddened with the way Scotland is descending into an acrimonious and ever more rancorous divide between the Scots themselves, as the governance of the country slides further into disharmony and disarray
I know McVities decision to close it's Glasgow factory and concentrate it's production on it's other RUK factories may not be directly a result of the chaos over the Scottish constitution, but it is bound to play an ever increasing negative factor on those individuals and companies who would like to invest in Scotland, but look at the years of uncertainty and can invest elsewhere in the UK
Our Nationalist friends on here are so dismissive of anyone who may support the union in their blind zeal to gain Independence, but I really do believe that the attraction to most Scots of divorce from the RUK with all it entails in currency, pensions, borders and even the strong cross border family ties is likely to see either indyref2 won by the union or even the SNP 'kicking the can down the road' as the way to independence seems near impossible to win.
What is certain though, is that Nicola cannot continue 'stonewalling every question' about the consequences of her Independence position and she needs to start laying out her proposals to the Scottish people for a post Independent Scotland and be examined by impartial experts with the plus and minuses made absolutely clear to the people of Scotland
The Scots deserve nothing less
Unionist lackies relocate to England, good riddance to them.
Scotland has the weakest Investment Environment in the UK. It has deteriorated in every area over the past decade, as fewer firms demand new capital and financing services decline. The value of loans provided to small and medium enterprises in Glasgow by major banks is at £2,831 per capita, which is much lower than the UK average £4,560.
• The conditions for local enterprise have also deteriorated. They are particularly weak in the Central Belt. Tax compliance and local government restrictions are more likely to be viewed as a barrier to business—8% of business owners say that local government restrictions are a barrier to business, the highest in the UK.
UK Prosperity Report
Yes also much better place to live , safer, etc. We are not all greedy grasping desperate for more money Tory unionists. You missed those bits in your obsession with money , how Boris of you.
Malc
You can attack the messenger but the message remains accurate
Very hard to get rid of the shit and the smell out of the carpet after someone takes a massive dump on it.
You clearly haven't been telephone canvassing for Labour.
Corbyn doesn't get a mention
Lack of policies lack of charisma lack of warmth lack of being on my side get plenty.
Main thing to make a return They are all the same
The thing I don't get is this - there are oceans of Social Democratic policies out there. That would warm the hearts of everyone from Corbynistas to the wet end of the Conservatives. That's lots and lots of votes.
Yes, I know. This is what Blair did. And hence Evul.
But why not?
Did Blair set out lots of Labour policies prior to the 1997 election campaign? I was only 5 years old at the time so obviously I don't know. It seems that in modern times the opposition only set out policies when the manifesto gets released.
Blair did not set out a substantive raft of policies, no. It was a timid offering. The anodyne pledge card. Sticking to Tory spending plans for 2 years. Do not frighten the horses.
The 97 landslide was built on a feeling. Time for a change. Tired sleazy Tories. THINGS CAN ONLY GET BETTER.
It worked a D:ream. The Conservative government was flushed away like a turd despite the economy looking (and being) quite rosy.
Which just goes to show.
There were, in fact quite a lot of policies.
The main one was raising the % of GDP spent on the NHS.
Brown boasted on TV that he had moles in the Treasury who had leaked him documents which proved that his plans were affordable.
Sure there were policies. But it was not a radical offering in that sense or even close to it. Eg the one you mention, we were way under the European average. Promises to stick to Tory spending plans for the 1st half of the parliament. No tax rises. The radicalism was in the 'tone' (pun not intended).
The radicalism was a Social Democrat program vs Socialism*
*Socialism of the "Obsession with big steel mills" kind.
Yes, that sort of socialism is out of time. But 97 wasn't a particularly radical social democrat manifesto either. I'm not talking about what New Labour did in their 13 years, they did some good things and did change the country, I'm talking about the policy platform they were first elected on.
There was more Labour effort here than was obvious - when it became obvious that Hartlepool was lost, some full-timers were diverted to Airdrie, and every member in the country got an appeal to help telephone GOTV on the day. That's why I was struck by the lack of interest here (Betfair didn't even bother to have a market, though they offer bets on all kinds of stuff). I think it's a very good result and encouraging for Sarwar despite the grumpy comments from Tories downthread.
flattering on a low turnout. They will never do anything as long as they are sockpuppets to London and anti independence, makes them just Tories, they even have the millionaire leader to boot. Socialist my arse. Nothing to offer but unionism.
It was precisely because they are anti independence Scottish Labour got Tory tactical votes and cut the SNP majority in Airdrie and Shotts.
If they were pro independence they would not have got Tory and LD tactical votes and would have lost votes to the Unionist parties without gaining any from the SNP
No evidence for Unionist tactical voting, given the much lower turnout.
Dear old HY does not need evidence, Mr Carnyx. It is a matter of Faith. He believes in the Conservative Party and everything it does.
I'm actually rather surprised everyone else is also seeing it as tactical voting rather than, or as well as, a good dose of differential turnout in responce to the Labour effort which NP explained to us.
There was more Labour effort here than was obvious - when it became obvious that Hartlepool was lost, some full-timers were diverted to Airdrie, and every member in the country got an appeal to help telephone GOTV on the day. That's why I was struck by the lack of interest here (Betfair didn't even bother to have a market, though they offer bets on all kinds of stuff). I think it's a very good result and encouraging for Sarwar despite the grumpy comments from Tories downthread.
flattering on a low turnout. They will never do anything as long as they are sockpuppets to London and anti independence, makes them just Tories, they even have the millionaire leader to boot. Socialist my arse. Nothing to offer but unionism.
It was precisely because they are anti independence Scottish Labour got Tory tactical votes and cut the SNP majority in Airdrie and Shotts.
If they were pro independence they would not have got Tory and LD tactical votes and would have lost votes to the Unionist parties without gaining any from the SNP
No evidence for Unionist tactical voting, given the much lower turnout.
Dear old HY does not need evidence, Mr Carnyx. It is a matter of Faith. He believes in the Conservative Party and everything it does.
I'm actually rather surprised everyone else is also seeing it as tactical voting rather than, or as well as, a good dose of differential turnout in responce to the Labour effort which NP explained to us.
Or maybe you are just getting a 'wee' bit worried that the desire for Independence is waning amongst your fellow country folk
There was more Labour effort here than was obvious - when it became obvious that Hartlepool was lost, some full-timers were diverted to Airdrie, and every member in the country got an appeal to help telephone GOTV on the day. That's why I was struck by the lack of interest here (Betfair didn't even bother to have a market, though they offer bets on all kinds of stuff). I think it's a very good result and encouraging for Sarwar despite the grumpy comments from Tories downthread.
flattering on a low turnout. They will never do anything as long as they are sockpuppets to London and anti independence, makes them just Tories, they even have the millionaire leader to boot. Socialist my arse. Nothing to offer but unionism.
It was precisely because they are anti independence Scottish Labour got Tory tactical votes and cut the SNP majority in Airdrie and Shotts.
If they were pro independence they would not have got Tory and LD tactical votes and would have lost votes to the Unionist parties without gaining any from the SNP
No evidence for Unionist tactical voting, that can't be explained by differential turnout given the much lower turnout. [edut]
Percentage wise the 2019 Conservative and LD votes were down in Labour's favour, with the Labour vote rising by more than the SNP vote in percentage terms.
There was clearly Unionist tactical voting, just as Unionist tactical voting last week in seats like Eastwood, Aberdeenshire West, Edinburgh South and Dumbarton was pivotal in preventing the SNP getting an overall majority at Holyrood
There was more Labour effort here than was obvious - when it became obvious that Hartlepool was lost, some full-timers were diverted to Airdrie, and every member in the country got an appeal to help telephone GOTV on the day. That's why I was struck by the lack of interest here (Betfair didn't even bother to have a market, though they offer bets on all kinds of stuff). I think it's a very good result and encouraging for Sarwar despite the grumpy comments from Tories downthread.
My grumpy comment is wtf were 2812 Tories playing at? I would have voted Labour here in a heart beat and anyone who is a thinking member of the Conservative and UNIONIST party really should have done the same. Yet another opportunity missed.
Sorry, didn't see your comment, was primarily thinking of Marquee Mark, who clearly rates Labour losing more highly than keeping the country together. I think it's a good result simply because it shows the long drought in Scottish Labour is easing and they're becoming more transfer-friendly.
I have high hopes for Sarwar, there's a big pool to be tapped of soft Indy/Unionists who'd rather just get on with governing Scotland instead of constantly focusing on Indy.
There was more Labour effort here than was obvious - when it became obvious that Hartlepool was lost, some full-timers were diverted to Airdrie, and every member in the country got an appeal to help telephone GOTV on the day. That's why I was struck by the lack of interest here (Betfair didn't even bother to have a market, though they offer bets on all kinds of stuff). I think it's a very good result and encouraging for Sarwar despite the grumpy comments from Tories downthread.
flattering on a low turnout. They will never do anything as long as they are sockpuppets to London and anti independence, makes them just Tories, they even have the millionaire leader to boot. Socialist my arse. Nothing to offer but unionism.
It was precisely because they are anti independence Scottish Labour got Tory tactical votes and cut the SNP majority in Airdrie and Shotts.
If they were pro independence they would not have got Tory and LD tactical votes and would have lost votes to the Unionist parties without gaining any from the SNP
No evidence for Unionist tactical voting, that can't be explained by differential turnout given the much lower turnout. [edut]
Percentage wise the 2019 Conservative and LD votes were down in Labour's favour, with the Labour vote rising by more than the SNP vote in percentage terms.
There was clearly Unionist tactical voting, just as Unionist tactical voting last week in seats like Eastwood, Aberdeenshire West, Edinburgh South and Dumbarton was pivotal in preventing the SNP getting an overall majority at Holyrood
But the turnout was almost half. You can't draw those conclusions and remain a serious analyst. It is merely one ened of a spectrum from 100% tactical to none - and beyond that to prto-indy TV only.
There was more Labour effort here than was obvious - when it became obvious that Hartlepool was lost, some full-timers were diverted to Airdrie, and every member in the country got an appeal to help telephone GOTV on the day. That's why I was struck by the lack of interest here (Betfair didn't even bother to have a market, though they offer bets on all kinds of stuff). I think it's a very good result and encouraging for Sarwar despite the grumpy comments from Tories downthread.
flattering on a low turnout. They will never do anything as long as they are sockpuppets to London and anti independence, makes them just Tories, they even have the millionaire leader to boot. Socialist my arse. Nothing to offer but unionism.
It was precisely because they are anti independence Scottish Labour got Tory tactical votes and cut the SNP majority in Airdrie and Shotts.
If they were pro independence they would not have got Tory and LD tactical votes and would have lost votes to the Unionist parties without gaining any from the SNP
No evidence for Unionist tactical voting, given the much lower turnout.
Dear old HY does not need evidence, Mr Carnyx. It is a matter of Faith. He believes in the Conservative Party and everything it does.
I'm actually rather surprised everyone else is also seeing it as tactical voting rather than, or as well as, a good dose of differential turnout in responce to the Labour effort which NP explained to us.
Or maybe you are just getting a 'wee' bit worried that the desire for Independence is waning amongst your fellow country folk
That isn't a logical conclusion - it can also apply to differential turnout very well indeed.
There was more Labour effort here than was obvious - when it became obvious that Hartlepool was lost, some full-timers were diverted to Airdrie, and every member in the country got an appeal to help telephone GOTV on the day. That's why I was struck by the lack of interest here (Betfair didn't even bother to have a market, though they offer bets on all kinds of stuff). I think it's a very good result and encouraging for Sarwar despite the grumpy comments from Tories downthread.
flattering on a low turnout. They will never do anything as long as they are sockpuppets to London and anti independence, makes them just Tories, they even have the millionaire leader to boot. Socialist my arse. Nothing to offer but unionism.
It was precisely because they are anti independence Scottish Labour got Tory tactical votes and cut the SNP majority in Airdrie and Shotts.
If they were pro independence they would not have got Tory and LD tactical votes and would have lost votes to the Unionist parties without gaining any from the SNP
No evidence for Unionist tactical voting, that can't be explained by differential turnout given the much lower turnout. [edut]
Percentage wise the 2019 Conservative and LD votes were down in Labour's favour, with the Labour vote rising by more than the SNP vote in percentage terms.
There was clearly Unionist tactical voting, just as Unionist tactical voting last week in seats like Eastwood, Aberdeenshire West, Edinburgh South and Dumbarton was pivotal in preventing the SNP getting an overall majority at Holyrood
But the turnout was almost half. You can't draw those conclusions and remain a serious analyst. It is merely one ened of a spectrum from 100% tactical to none - and beyond that to prto-indy TV only.
Without Unionist tactical voting in Holyrood constituencies last week, the SNP would have won an overall majority.
Last night in the Airdrie and Shotts Westminster seat by election there was yet further evidence of it
There was more Labour effort here than was obvious - when it became obvious that Hartlepool was lost, some full-timers were diverted to Airdrie, and every member in the country got an appeal to help telephone GOTV on the day. That's why I was struck by the lack of interest here (Betfair didn't even bother to have a market, though they offer bets on all kinds of stuff). I think it's a very good result and encouraging for Sarwar despite the grumpy comments from Tories downthread.
flattering on a low turnout. They will never do anything as long as they are sockpuppets to London and anti independence, makes them just Tories, they even have the millionaire leader to boot. Socialist my arse. Nothing to offer but unionism.
It was precisely because they are anti independence Scottish Labour got Tory tactical votes and cut the SNP majority in Airdrie and Shotts.
If they were pro independence they would not have got Tory and LD tactical votes and would have lost votes to the Unionist parties without gaining any from the SNP
No evidence for Unionist tactical voting, that can't be explained by differential turnout given the much lower turnout. [edut]
Percentage wise the 2019 Conservative and LD votes were down in Labour's favour, with the Labour vote rising by more than the SNP vote in percentage terms.
There was clearly Unionist tactical voting, just as Unionist tactical voting last week in seats like Eastwood, Aberdeenshire West, Edinburgh South and Dumbarton was pivotal in preventing the SNP getting an overall majority at Holyrood
But the turnout was almost half. You can't draw those conclusions and remain a serious analyst. It is merely one ened of a spectrum from 100% tactical to none - and beyond that to prto-indy TV only.
Without Unionist tactical voting in constituencies last week, the SNP would have won an overall majority.
Last night was yet further evidence of it
Lastr night was evidence of nothing in particular. You're abusing the maths again, like doing averages of averages of two different things.
Oh yes. And a curious one too. Very curious. I genuinely wish to understand why somebody would be so absolutely LIVID about people taking a knee for BLM.
Couple of questions if I may and you're not running -
Assume a person (here) is genuinely appalled by Floyd type happenings in America and wishes to show it in a manner that others can see. Is there a way in which this could be done that would meet with your approval?
The gesture itself. Does the kneeling aspect make it worse for you? Eg if it was upright and clenched fist would that be less offensive? Or maybe just singing a song or something, no body parts involvement at all?
John Burn-Murdoch @jburnmurdoch NEW: this chart is important
It’s early days, but there are signs that the vaccines may be working against the Indian variant B.1.617.2
Yes, all of these "concerned" experts have yet to present any evidence of vaccine escape. It's just one last push by those who want us all locked away for our own good to conquer death.
Mr. Above, BLM have been very smart with their name/slogan. Lots of otherwise sensible people have taken their nonsense far more seriously than they should have.
Anyone kneeling for a cabal of race-baiting neo-Marxists is a damned fool. To be honest, it's the only thing (with judgement reserved on the yet to be revealed English devolution plans) Starmer has done that's annoyed me seriously.
If BLM is saying get on your knees, and you do it, you're kneeling for them. Saying you're doing it for the slogan is as convincing as a someone saying they're anti-racist while insisting white people are inherently racist.
Edited extra bit: Mr. kinabalu, you make the mistake of thinking that these CRT dimwits aren't racists.
Those who bang on about white privilege and white people being inherently guilty of racism are advocates, not opponents, of racism. The other day I posted leaked (and not denied, to my knowledge) plans by Disney that are alarming, focusing on equality of outcome, not opportunity. This stuff is being taken seriously by many who should know better.
Oh yes. And a curious one too. Very curious. I genuinely wish to understand why somebody would be so absolutely LIVID about people taking a knee for BLM.
Couple of questions if I may and you're not running -
Assume a person (here) is genuinely appalled by Floyd type happenings in America and wishes to show it in a manner that others can see. Is there a way in which this could be done that would meet with your approval?
The gesture itself. Does the kneeling aspect make it worse for you? Eg if it was upright and clenched fist would that be less offensive? Or maybe just singing a song or something, no body parts involvement at all?
You have largely answered your own question: Why would a person (here) who is genuinely appalled by Floyd type happenings in America wish to show it in a manner that others can see?
Yougov had Labour on 29% a few weeks ago. 8% for the Greens very unlikely in a GE. Other polls now have Labour on 34% . Factor in a post-Hartlepool effect likely to be short term.
There was more Labour effort here than was obvious - when it became obvious that Hartlepool was lost, some full-timers were diverted to Airdrie, and every member in the country got an appeal to help telephone GOTV on the day. That's why I was struck by the lack of interest here (Betfair didn't even bother to have a market, though they offer bets on all kinds of stuff). I think it's a very good result and encouraging for Sarwar despite the grumpy comments from Tories downthread.
flattering on a low turnout. They will never do anything as long as they are sockpuppets to London and anti independence, makes them just Tories, they even have the millionaire leader to boot. Socialist my arse. Nothing to offer but unionism.
It was precisely because they are anti independence Scottish Labour got Tory tactical votes and cut the SNP majority in Airdrie and Shotts.
If they were pro independence they would not have got Tory and LD tactical votes and would have lost votes to the Unionist parties without gaining any from the SNP
No evidence for Unionist tactical voting, given the much lower turnout.
Dear old HY does not need evidence, Mr Carnyx. It is a matter of Faith. He believes in the Conservative Party and everything it does.
I'm actually rather surprised everyone else is also seeing it as tactical voting rather than, or as well as, a good dose of differential turnout in responce to the Labour effort which NP explained to us.
Or maybe you are just getting a 'wee' bit worried that the desire for Independence is waning amongst your fellow country folk
That isn't a logical conclusion - it can also apply to differential turnout very well indeed.
To be fair you you do seem to be on the defensive this morning, and I continue to maintain the popularity of Independence is presently waning
This here comment of mine is not targeted at anyone on here - honest guv - but I do sense that for some the gesture is particularly upsetting because it smacks of supplication to the Black Man.
Mr. Above, BLM have been very smart with their name/slogan. Lots of otherwise sensible people have taken their nonsense far more seriously than they should have.
Anyone kneeling for a cabal of race-baiting neo-Marxists is a damned fool. To be honest, it's the only thing (with judgement reserved on the yet to be revealed English devolution plans) Starmer has done that's annoyed me seriously.
If BLM is saying get on your knees, and you do it, you're kneeling for them. Saying you're doing it for the slogan is as convincing as a someone saying they're anti-racist while insisting white people are inherently racist.
Edited extra bit: Mr. kinabalu, you make the mistake of thinking that these CRT dimwits aren't racists.
Those who bang on about white privilege and white people being inherently guilty of racism are advocates, not opponents, of racism. The other day I posted leaked (and not denied, to my knowledge) plans by Disney that are alarming, focusing on equality of outcome, not opportunity. This stuff is being taken seriously by many who should know better.
One piece of positive news speaking to leaders of 2 large hospitals in India where most healthcare workers were fully vaccinated: No serious COVID cases among any of the vaccinated healthcare workers during this current crisis. The vaccines are working.
Quite a few places you find amps etc that go to 11 in tribute to this.
"Lick my Lovepump" is the funniest scene in the film. Potentially in any film...
For pure farce - Stonehenge......
Is superb! But is satire of reality. Love pump floors me every time for the beautiful little tune being played, the totally unscripted description of what it is interplayed between Rob Reiner and Nigel, and then the wait for it wait for it take another chew on that gum pay off line.
Its sublime, ridiculous, sweet, sensationally paced genius.
The bass player, Harry Shearer, is married to a very longtime girlfriend of the Good Lady. Her first trip abroad in June is to go stay with them in their mansion in the French Quarter of New Orleans. As well as doing various voices for the Simpsons (for which he has been paid an obscene amount of money for 31 seasons) he is also now an expert on the failures of the flood protection measures for the New Orleans area, that made Katrina the disaster it was. He made a documentary about it called The Big Uneasy.
Yougov had Labour on 29% a few weeks ago. 8% for the Greens very unlikely in a GE. Other polls now have Labour on 34% . Factor in a post-Hartlepool effect likely to be short term.
I actually think you are wrong about the Greens
They are growing in popularity here and across Europe
Oh yes. And a curious one too. Very curious. I genuinely wish to understand why somebody would be so absolutely LIVID about people taking a knee for BLM.
Couple of questions if I may and you're not running -
Assume a person (here) is genuinely appalled by Floyd type happenings in America and wishes to show it in a manner that others can see. Is there a way in which this could be done that would meet with your approval?
The gesture itself. Does the kneeling aspect make it worse for you? Eg if it was upright and clenched fist would that be less offensive? Or maybe just singing a song or something, no body parts involvement at all?
You have largely answered your own question: Why would a person (here) who is genuinely appalled by Floyd type happenings in America wish to show it in a manner that others can see?
Because they have no inner life and signalling their virtue to the world is the whole point of the exercise?
Mr. Above, BLM have been very smart with their name/slogan. Lots of otherwise sensible people have taken their nonsense far more seriously than they should have.
Anyone kneeling for a cabal of race-baiting neo-Marxists is a damned fool. To be honest, it's the only thing (with judgement reserved on the yet to be revealed English devolution plans) Starmer has done that's annoyed me seriously.
If BLM is saying get on your knees, and you do it, you're kneeling for them. Saying you're doing it for the slogan is as convincing as a someone saying they're anti-racist while insisting white people are inherently racist.
Edited extra bit: Mr. kinabalu, you make the mistake of thinking that these CRT dimwits aren't racists.
Those who bang on about white privilege and white people being inherently guilty of racism are advocates, not opponents, of racism. The other day I posted leaked (and not denied, to my knowledge) plans by Disney that are alarming, focusing on equality of outcome, not opportunity. This stuff is being taken seriously by many who should know better.
Mr. Above, BLM have been very smart with their name/slogan. Lots of otherwise sensible people have taken their nonsense far more seriously than they should have.
Anyone kneeling for a cabal of race-baiting neo-Marxists is a damned fool. To be honest, it's the only thing (with judgement reserved on the yet to be revealed English devolution plans) Starmer has done that's annoyed me seriously.
If BLM is saying get on your knees, and you do it, you're kneeling for them. Saying you're doing it for the slogan is as convincing as a someone saying they're anti-racist while insisting white people are inherently racist.
Edited extra bit: Mr. kinabalu, you make the mistake of thinking that these CRT dimwits aren't racists.
Those who bang on about white privilege and white people being inherently guilty of racism are advocates, not opponents, of racism. The other day I posted leaked (and not denied, to my knowledge) plans by Disney that are alarming, focusing on equality of outcome, not opportunity. This stuff is being taken seriously by many who should know better.
I don't make mistakes, Morris. And we were talking about YOU.
You're just part of the cabal.
It has in fact just driven me to take a knee. Just a quick one before I put the dishwasher on.
My knees are too shot even to think about it.
And mine
I would fall over I am afraid !!!!!!!!!!!
King Leonidas : You are generous as you are divine, O king of kings. Such an offer only a madman would refuse. But the, uh, the idea of kneeling, it's- You see, slaughtering all those men of yours has, uh, well it's left a nasty cramp in my leg, so kneeling will be hard for me.
There was more Labour effort here than was obvious - when it became obvious that Hartlepool was lost, some full-timers were diverted to Airdrie, and every member in the country got an appeal to help telephone GOTV on the day. That's why I was struck by the lack of interest here (Betfair didn't even bother to have a market, though they offer bets on all kinds of stuff). I think it's a very good result and encouraging for Sarwar despite the grumpy comments from Tories downthread.
flattering on a low turnout. They will never do anything as long as they are sockpuppets to London and anti independence, makes them just Tories, they even have the millionaire leader to boot. Socialist my arse. Nothing to offer but unionism.
It was precisely because they are anti independence Scottish Labour got Tory tactical votes and cut the SNP majority in Airdrie and Shotts.
If they were pro independence they would not have got Tory and LD tactical votes and would have lost votes to the Unionist parties without gaining any from the SNP
No evidence for Unionist tactical voting, given the much lower turnout.
Dear old HY does not need evidence, Mr Carnyx. It is a matter of Faith. He believes in the Conservative Party and everything it does.
I'm actually rather surprised everyone else is also seeing it as tactical voting rather than, or as well as, a good dose of differential turnout in responce to the Labour effort which NP explained to us.
Or maybe you are just getting a 'wee' bit worried that the desire for Independence is waning amongst your fellow country folk
That isn't a logical conclusion - it can also apply to differential turnout very well indeed.
To be fair you you do seem to be on the defensive this morning, and I continue to maintain the popularity of Independence is presently waning
Not so much the defensive but unimpressed by the total assumption it's all to do with Unionist tactical voting when NP's comments had confirmed my suspicion that differential turnout is am important factor to consider prima facie. Also noting the PB Tories complaining about Mr Sarwar's attacks on SCON.
This move below 40 for vaccinations seems to be causing problems because of the decision not to use AZN. At my centre people with appointments are arriving to be turned away because AZN is all they have there currently, and they’re not able to use it for under-40s.
Isnt the official guidance for under 40s to take another vaccine IF available. If one is not available surely they can still get AZ?
That does appear to be the national guidance, at least as initially reported by the BBC. However the island's main vaccine centre is saying that they are "not allowed" to give the AZN. Unless advice has changed before it was transmitted out to the field, this may be a case of whoever runs the island's vaccination centre not understanding, in which case hopefully s/he'll soon be put straight. You can imagine how upset people are; I'd have been furious, waiting anxiously for months and then turning up there, if I'd been sent home.
As it is, I did my NHS antibody test yesterday afternoon (as part of the random sampling study) and it showed I had long-term antibodies after my single AZN, which is very reassuring!
It is the guidance on the govt official website, which for covid stuff does tend to be updated on the day anything changes. It is also what was said in the press conferences, it baffles me how this can end up misunderstood.
Local under-40s are saying that's what they've told. The local council has tweeted that under-40s will "directed to vaccination centres offering Pfizer and Moderna in the local area in line with JVCI guidance" - except there aren't any bookable through the national website, as North Island isn't seen as "local". The NHS Trust and CCG have both so far refused to provide a statement - which suggests they are urgently trying to find out what is going on.
I'm 38 and I got turned away from the Riverside centre in Newport yesterday. When I got to the admin desk they asked how old I was, and the lady said that she was sorry but they "would have to refuse me" because they only had the AZ vaccine and they "were not allowed" to give it to me due to my age. I would have been happy to have received it, but was not given the option to. She said that I wasn't the first person that they had had to turn away. I was told to contact my GP and was escorted out. My GP told me that I should try to find somewhere on the mainland that was offering Pfizer because they are not vaccinating my cohort yet. I've managed to book an appointment in Southampton for 25 May, but when I went on to the NHS site this morning, I still was given the Riverside as the first option.
Wow, what were the chances that one of the people affected would pop up on PB?
The way you have been treated was shabby, as well as appearing to be out of line with national guidance. I've already been back to the local press suggesting they focus on this line of the story, and giving them the Selby example as ammunition to throw at the NHS. Hopefully it'll be resolved soon; making you wait until 25 May and travel to North Island is extremely poor.
I was quite upset about it at the time. I got told yesterday that the GP led centre at Carisbrooke is currently only vaccinating those who are over 46, so it would be quite a long time before they got round to my age group. They are using the Pfizer vaccine there. I know that some of the other GP led centres on the Island are a bit further ahead, but I'm worried that the rollout here is going to be delayed if the only mass vaccination centre is now off limits.
I can imagine. I remember how relieved I was to finally get my vaccine appointment, and I would have been furious to have been turned away.
One of the local press sites is already reporting the story, and I have tipped off the other. Hopefully we can get the Newport centre to at least start offering people the AZN if they want it.
Interesting bit of research. Embrace uncertainty !
Intolerance of uncertainty modulates brain-to-brain synchrony during politically polarized perception https://www.pnas.org/content/118/20/e2022491118 Political partisans view the world through a biased lens, but little is known about how these biased perceptions of reality arise. We measured the brain activity of committed partisans watching real political video footage. Although all participants viewed the same videos, brain responses diverged between liberals and conservatives, reflecting differences in the subjective interpretation of the footage. This polarized perception was exacerbated by a personality trait: intolerance of uncertainty. Participants less tolerant to uncertainty in daily life had more ideologically polarized brain responses than those who tolerate uncertainty. This was observed on both sides of the ideological aisle. This suggests that aversion to uncertainty governs how the brain processes political information to form black-and-white interpretations of inflammatory political content.
Very hard to get rid of the shit and the smell out of the carpet after someone takes a massive dump on it.
You clearly haven't been telephone canvassing for Labour.
Corbyn doesn't get a mention
Lack of policies lack of charisma lack of warmth lack of being on my side get plenty.
Main thing to make a return They are all the same
The thing I don't get is this - there are oceans of Social Democratic policies out there. That would warm the hearts of everyone from Corbynistas to the wet end of the Conservatives. That's lots and lots of votes.
Yes, I know. This is what Blair did. And hence Evul.
But why not?
Did Blair set out lots of Labour policies prior to the 1997 election campaign? I was only 5 years old at the time so obviously I don't know. It seems that in modern times the opposition only set out policies when the manifesto gets released.
Blair did not set out a substantive raft of policies, no. It was a timid offering. The anodyne pledge card. Sticking to Tory spending plans for 2 years. Do not frighten the horses.
The 97 landslide was built on a feeling. Time for a change. Tired sleazy Tories. THINGS CAN ONLY GET BETTER.
It worked a D:ream. The Conservative government was flushed away like a turd despite the economy looking (and being) quite rosy.
Which just goes to show.
Indeed - its just not healthy to have one party in permanent power, whether that is the Tories in England, the SNP in Scotland or Labour in Wales. People become complacent, more interested in fighting their petty squabbles, lose sight of the public at large. Labour in England needs to start remembering that its no good having the best policies in the world if no one will vote you into power. How much do they hate Blair that showed them that the country was never going to be as socialist as the party?
I agree. One party rule is the pits. And especially if that one party are the Tories.
On 'socialism', I think we need a reset. The economy being substantially nationalized is a dead idea. But policies to devolve wealth and opportunity away from those rolling in it to those starved of it are more needed than ever. For me, this is modern relevant socialism. New socialism if you like.
So I'd like to see us keep the radical spirit of the Corbyn era but (sorry Owen) ditch its clumsy, old fashioned policy programme. Come up with policies that will work in practice to achieve the above objective, a really significant devolution of wealth and opportunity.
And present this with real passion.
New Socialism. New Britain. New Socialism. New Britain.
Just maybe Boris has stolen your clothes !!!!!!!
Hmm. Not sure about that.
To deliver on Leveling Up, this government must enact some big radical polices to ensure that the left behind people in left behind places narrow the gap in a significant and sustainable way with those more fortunate.
If they do this, I'll applaud them, uncomfortable as it will be for me - but I have a feeling I'll be spared.
Yougov had Labour on 29% a few weeks ago. 8% for the Greens very unlikely in a GE. Other polls now have Labour on 34% . Factor in a post-Hartlepool effect likely to be short term.
I actually think you are wrong about the Greens
They are growing in popularity here and across Europe
Underestimate the Greens at your peril
I would like to vote for a green party but not the current Green party. With the right leader and a tack to the centre they could do well. Or Labour/LDs could make green central to their agenda, seeing neither has much of one at the moment, this should be easy to achieve. (Yes I know they already both claim to do this).
Interesting bit of research. Embrace uncertainty !
Intolerance of uncertainty modulates brain-to-brain synchrony during politically polarized perception https://www.pnas.org/content/118/20/e2022491118 Political partisans view the world through a biased lens, but little is known about how these biased perceptions of reality arise. We measured the brain activity of committed partisans watching real political video footage. Although all participants viewed the same videos, brain responses diverged between liberals and conservatives, reflecting differences in the subjective interpretation of the footage. This polarized perception was exacerbated by a personality trait: intolerance of uncertainty. Participants less tolerant to uncertainty in daily life had more ideologically polarized brain responses than those who tolerate uncertainty. This was observed on both sides of the ideological aisle. This suggests that aversion to uncertainty governs how the brain processes political information to form black-and-white interpretations of inflammatory political content.
Quite. No wonde4r the Unionists on PB pop their brains when I point out that the interpretation of Airdrie and Shotts is wide open and that the result could be 100% down to SLAB rather than Scottish Tories (or at least not a positive decision by the latter).
Are there any known potential issues or red flags with opening an account with Redzone Sport or 10Bet - getting money out etc?
Thanks
I have no CCJ's - fake or otherwise.
A lot of the smaller bookies do have laborious procedures for withdrawals that requires persistence but you get there in the end. Be prepared to give scans of id and even bank statements.
Yes, I've not used either Redzone or 10bet but have heard people complain about needing to jump through hoops to get money out. It does not help that some of the hoops are just bookies using official government hoops for their own purposes.
- they are an opposition that doesn't really bother to oppose - their leader had a charisma bypass - they have nothing to say to the swing demographic they've been losing for years - the Government is led by an opportunist whose only reaction to any problem is to hose borrowed money at it - the vaccine rollout has gone very well.
The surprising thing is that Labour are still that high - they are doing better than most centre-left parties in Europe. It shows the loyalty of their Guardianista and black and Muslim core votes.
John Burn-Murdoch @jburnmurdoch NEW: this chart is important
It’s early days, but there are signs that the vaccines may be working against the Indian variant B.1.617.2
Yes, all of these "concerned" experts have yet to present any evidence of vaccine escape. It's just one last push by those who want us all locked away for our own good to conquer death.
I’ve done a fair bit of reading on this variant, now.
The main ‘concern’ is not vaccine evasion, but extra transmissibility. We’re almost sure this version of the bug is more infectious, probably more infectious than Kentish Corona. But whether the variant is 30% or 50% more transmissible will be crucial. 30% and we’ll likely be OK. We can manage. 50% could crush the NHS - given the millions we still need to vax
This here comment of mine is not targeted at anyone on here - honest guv - but I do sense that for some the gesture is particularly upsetting because it smacks of supplication to the Black Man.
John Burn-Murdoch @jburnmurdoch NEW: this chart is important
It’s early days, but there are signs that the vaccines may be working against the Indian variant B.1.617.2
Yes, all of these "concerned" experts have yet to present any evidence of vaccine escape. It's just one last push by those who want us all locked away for our own good to conquer death.
I’ve done a fair bit of reading on this variant, now.
The main ‘concern’ is not vaccine evasion, but extra transmissibility. We’re almost sure this version of the bug is more infectious, probably more infectious than Kentish Corona. But whether the variant is 30% or 50% more transmissible will be crucial. 30% and we’ll likely be OK. We can manage. 50% could crush the NHS - given the millions we still need to vax
But it doesn't make any sense, and seems to be driven by the doommongers who want us locked up for our own safety, rather than actual science.
Given a) the impact on R that the herd effect will have, b) the pre-exissting antibodies/t-cell immunity amongst many of the young who haven't been vaccinated but have had covid and c) that the vast majority of under 40s who get Covid don't get anywhere near a hospital, how would it crush the NHS?
Oh yes. And a curious one too. Very curious. I genuinely wish to understand why somebody would be so absolutely LIVID about people taking a knee for BLM.
Couple of questions if I may and you're not running -
Assume a person (here) is genuinely appalled by Floyd type happenings in America and wishes to show it in a manner that others can see. Is there a way in which this could be done that would meet with your approval?
The gesture itself. Does the kneeling aspect make it worse for you? Eg if it was upright and clenched fist would that be less offensive? Or maybe just singing a song or something, no body parts involvement at all?
You have largely answered your own question: Why would a person (here) who is genuinely appalled by Floyd type happenings in America wish to show it in a manner that others can see?
Many reasons. You can be so angry about something that you just have to let it out (like Morris et al with BLM and "the knee"). You can hope that if you take part in something communal you might, in your small way, be making a difference. In public it's sending more of a message than if you keep it all to yourself. It's getting it out there. And these things don't stop at national borders. Most of the concerning events that happen in the world happen outside the UK, after all and thankfully.
This move below 40 for vaccinations seems to be causing problems because of the decision not to use AZN. At my centre people with appointments are arriving to be turned away because AZN is all they have there currently, and they’re not able to use it for under-40s.
Isnt the official guidance for under 40s to take another vaccine IF available. If one is not available surely they can still get AZ?
That does appear to be the national guidance, at least as initially reported by the BBC. However the island's main vaccine centre is saying that they are "not allowed" to give the AZN. Unless advice has changed before it was transmitted out to the field, this may be a case of whoever runs the island's vaccination centre not understanding, in which case hopefully s/he'll soon be put straight. You can imagine how upset people are; I'd have been furious, waiting anxiously for months and then turning up there, if I'd been sent home.
As it is, I did my NHS antibody test yesterday afternoon (as part of the random sampling study) and it showed I had long-term antibodies after my single AZN, which is very reassuring!
It is the guidance on the govt official website, which for covid stuff does tend to be updated on the day anything changes. It is also what was said in the press conferences, it baffles me how this can end up misunderstood.
Local under-40s are saying that's what they've told. The local council has tweeted that under-40s will "directed to vaccination centres offering Pfizer and Moderna in the local area in line with JVCI guidance" - except there aren't any bookable through the national website, as North Island isn't seen as "local". The NHS Trust and CCG have both so far refused to provide a statement - which suggests they are urgently trying to find out what is going on.
I'm 38 and I got turned away from the Riverside centre in Newport yesterday. When I got to the admin desk they asked how old I was, and the lady said that she was sorry but they "would have to refuse me" because they only had the AZ vaccine and they "were not allowed" to give it to me due to my age. I would have been happy to have received it, but was not given the option to. She said that I wasn't the first person that they had had to turn away. I was told to contact my GP and was escorted out. My GP told me that I should try to find somewhere on the mainland that was offering Pfizer because they are not vaccinating my cohort yet. I've managed to book an appointment in Southampton for 25 May, but when I went on to the NHS site this morning, I still was given the Riverside as the first option.
Wow, what were the chances that one of the people affected would pop up on PB?
The way you have been treated was shabby, as well as appearing to be out of line with national guidance. I've already been back to the local press suggesting they focus on this line of the story, and giving them the Selby example as ammunition to throw at the NHS. Hopefully it'll be resolved soon; making you wait until 25 May and travel to North Island is extremely poor.
I was quite upset about it at the time. I got told yesterday that the GP led centre at Carisbrooke is currently only vaccinating those who are over 46, so it would be quite a long time before they got round to my age group. They are using the Pfizer vaccine there. I know that some of the other GP led centres on the Island are a bit further ahead, but I'm worried that the rollout here is going to be delayed if the only mass vaccination centre is now off limits.
With apologies for doing casework over PB, I spoke to the IOW NHS Trust and their first excuse was that they believed some people under 40 had managed to get appointments before they were supposed to.
When I told them this happened yesterday, they said they weren’t actually responsible for the island vaccination centre and punted me off to Solent NHS Trust. I have been onto Solent and tracked down someone to speak to, but they are at lunch. Hopefully more later.
There was more Labour effort here than was obvious - when it became obvious that Hartlepool was lost, some full-timers were diverted to Airdrie, and every member in the country got an appeal to help telephone GOTV on the day. That's why I was struck by the lack of interest here (Betfair didn't even bother to have a market, though they offer bets on all kinds of stuff). I think it's a very good result and encouraging for Sarwar despite the grumpy comments from Tories downthread.
flattering on a low turnout. They will never do anything as long as they are sockpuppets to London and anti independence, makes them just Tories, they even have the millionaire leader to boot. Socialist my arse. Nothing to offer but unionism.
It was precisely because they are anti independence Scottish Labour got Tory tactical votes and cut the SNP majority in Airdrie and Shotts.
If they were pro independence they would not have got Tory and LD tactical votes and would have lost votes to the Unionist parties without gaining any from the SNP
No evidence for Unionist tactical voting, given the much lower turnout.
Dear old HY does not need evidence, Mr Carnyx. It is a matter of Faith. He believes in the Conservative Party and everything it does.
I'm actually rather surprised everyone else is also seeing it as tactical voting rather than, or as well as, a good dose of differential turnout in responce to the Labour effort which NP explained to us.
Or maybe you are just getting a 'wee' bit worried that the desire for Independence is waning amongst your fellow country folk
That isn't a logical conclusion - it can also apply to differential turnout very well indeed.
To be fair you you do seem to be on the defensive this morning, and I continue to maintain the popularity of Independence is presently waning
Not so much the defensive but unimpressed by the total assumption it's all to do with Unionist tactical voting when NP's comments had confirmed my suspicion that differential turnout is am important factor to consider prima facie. Also noting the PB Tories complaining about Mr Sarwar's attacks on SCON.
To be honest looking at the wider picture public opinion in Scotland does seem to be trending away from indyref2 and the economic damage from a prolonged constitutional crisis is something that seems to becoming more apparent day by day
If you are to win independence then Nicola will need to answer the many complex questions involved and of course really needs a majority supporting the project
The best time for Scotland to have attempted this was at the height of the oil boom but of course oil is now a liability with billions required to decommission the oil fields, as demanded by the Greens
I am growing in confidence that Scotland will remain in the union, but of course that may change
John Burn-Murdoch @jburnmurdoch NEW: this chart is important
It’s early days, but there are signs that the vaccines may be working against the Indian variant B.1.617.2
Yes, all of these "concerned" experts have yet to present any evidence of vaccine escape. It's just one last push by those who want us all locked away for our own good to conquer death.
I’ve done a fair bit of reading on this variant, now.
The main ‘concern’ is not vaccine evasion, but extra transmissibility. We’re almost sure this version of the bug is more infectious, probably more infectious than Kentish Corona. But whether the variant is 30% or 50% more transmissible will be crucial. 30% and we’ll likely be OK. We can manage. 50% could crush the NHS - given the millions we still need to vax
I think it's more of a problem for other European countries who are planning to reopen with much lower levels of vaccination. France has a few clusters of the Indian variant already.
Yougov had Labour on 29% a few weeks ago. 8% for the Greens very unlikely in a GE. Other polls now have Labour on 34% . Factor in a post-Hartlepool effect likely to be short term.
I actually think you are wrong about the Greens
They are growing in popularity here and across Europe
Underestimate the Greens at your peril
Other pollsters do not have them at that level. The Greens - like the LDs - flatter to deceive at Local Elections. Here in Norwich they were very strong a few years back but their success failed to translate into support at parliamentary elections.
John Burn-Murdoch @jburnmurdoch NEW: this chart is important
It’s early days, but there are signs that the vaccines may be working against the Indian variant B.1.617.2
Yes, all of these "concerned" experts have yet to present any evidence of vaccine escape. It's just one last push by those who want us all locked away for our own good to conquer death.
I’ve done a fair bit of reading on this variant, now.
The main ‘concern’ is not vaccine evasion, but extra transmissibility. We’re almost sure this version of the bug is more infectious, probably more infectious than Kentish Corona. But whether the variant is 30% or 50% more transmissible will be crucial. 30% and we’ll likely be OK. We can manage. 50% could crush the NHS - given the millions we still need to vax
John Burn-Murdoch @jburnmurdoch NEW: this chart is important
It’s early days, but there are signs that the vaccines may be working against the Indian variant B.1.617.2
The answer to one of his questions - Is the rise in cases in the non-vaccinated groups?
We have a rise in 0-14, 15-44 and a barely noticeable rise for 45-64. Otherwise - a fall in cases.
That seems quite conclusive to me. The rise in cases is occurring among the unvaccinated cohorts.
The quite sensible idea to serge first jobs in areas with outbakes, e.g. Bolton, seems like an exelant idea to me, certainly something that should be given a go, but I thought I would do some maths, on pausing all second Jabs and sprinting to the finish on first Jab:
35,906,671 adults have had a job, that's 68.2% meaning that there are 52,649,078 people eligible for the Jab.
Opinion poling suggest that 84% of people have had it or wish to have it, so that's: 44,225,225 people
Therefore there are still 8,318,554 who wish to have the Jab but haven't yet.
This last week we have given on average, 138,929 first jabs and 371,321 second jabs, or 510,250 jabs a day.
Which means we could give everybody who wishes to have one first jab one in 16.3 days, or by the end of the month in laymen's terms.
Yes this would mean delaying the second job for some people by 16 days, but is it significantly reduces the total spread, it would help protect everybody, and as the most venerable have all had there second job now, it seems prudent.
Separately but also: If we extended it to 16 and 17 year olds, that's about 2 million more for another 4 days, it would mean that they will have all had there second does, at the start of September, just before they go to university or back collage.
- they are an opposition that doesn't really bother to oppose - their leader had a charisma bypass - they have nothing to say to the swing demographic they've been losing for years - the Government is led by an opportunist whose only reaction to any problem is to hose borrowed money at it - the vaccine rollout has gone very well.
The surprising thing is that Labour are still that high - they are doing better than most centre-left parties in Europe. It shows the loyalty of their Guardianista and black and Muslim core votes.
The Tories getting 45% in the London mayoral election was an ominous sign for the party, given that the capital is supposed to be one of their best areas.
May I share the excellent Wikipedia page below, showing, amongst other things, the very different distributions of Indians and Pakistanis in Greater Manchester. Looks like ONS holds the source maps.
Yes, I was on Redbridge Council with him from when he was first elected aged 27. It was clear he is going places and as Labour politicians go he’s a decent guy, if a lifetime career politician. That’s very young for something like that and I hope they’ve caught it early enough that he’ll be able to resume. He was always someone I had expected to be watching on the news when I am sitting in the old people’s home.
This here comment of mine is not targeted at anyone on here - honest guv - but I do sense that for some the gesture is particularly upsetting because it smacks of supplication to the Black Man.
Sorry. Nonsense. Only in your mind.
Hey Stocky - ignore him. He's at it again. I have saved the following so that I will be able to roll it out when needed (often, it appears). Calling you a racist is a low I admit for him but it is all about him really, so ignore it.
Here's my post from the other day. As true now as then. You can include discussions about taking the knee. He has no answer but to imply that you are racist.
"What you have to remember is that because @kinabalu for some unknown reason is very insecure he is invested in belittling your views of nationality and what it means to be British.
He does this because as a working class lad made good (very good) and now moved away from his roots, he is confused about what he is supposed to think about these things. He feels he should condemn anyone who even mentions nationality and being British but has no views himself on them.
And hence when he bumps into someone like you, someone he believes he is far more successful and intelligent than, but someone who is far more confident in their own opinions on such to him delicate and taboo subjects, he has literally no answer.
John Burn-Murdoch @jburnmurdoch NEW: this chart is important
It’s early days, but there are signs that the vaccines may be working against the Indian variant B.1.617.2
Yes, all of these "concerned" experts have yet to present any evidence of vaccine escape. It's just one last push by those who want us all locked away for our own good to conquer death.
I’ve done a fair bit of reading on this variant, now.
The main ‘concern’ is not vaccine evasion, but extra transmissibility. We’re almost sure this version of the bug is more infectious, probably more infectious than Kentish Corona. But whether the variant is 30% or 50% more transmissible will be crucial. 30% and we’ll likely be OK. We can manage. 50% could crush the NHS - given the millions we still need to vax
Does it mention whether the modelling took into account differential risk of hospitalisation among the unvaccinated (i.e. mostly young with no long term conditions). Still problems with enough infections of course, but that 'enough' could be really quite large in a young cohort.
The other thing (and I don't know whether there are good data on this from track and trace) are the chains of infection. If most infection chains for the young are purely through the unvaccinated young, then it could spread rapidly through this population. But if the chain is youngish person living at home passes it on to dad who passes it on to work colleague who passes it onto daughter then that chain is likely broken (or much reduced in likelihood) by vaccination of the parents. You could see this ripping through a university or, indeed, a school. But any transmission links that were via older people (and by older I'm talking >40, now and falling) will be be severely curtailed by vaccination.
Schools and universities are two obvious places for large scale spread. Schools are testing loads. Universities are testing loads those permitted to come in (still a low proportion). I'm pretty optmistic that this can be limited, if not by vaccination alone then by far more limited local interventions.
The Indian strain should be quite concerning for countries much further behind in vaccinations, for sure.
John Burn-Murdoch @jburnmurdoch NEW: this chart is important
It’s early days, but there are signs that the vaccines may be working against the Indian variant B.1.617.2
The answer to one of his questions - Is the rise in cases in the non-vaccinated groups?
We have a rise in 0-14, 15-44 and a barely noticeable rise for 45-64. Otherwise - a fall in cases.
That seems quite conclusive to me. The rise in cases is occurring among the unvaccinated cohorts.
The quite sensible idea to serge first jobs in areas with outbakes, e.g. Bolton, seems like an exelant idea to me, certainly something that should be given a go, but I thought I would do some maths, on pausing all second Jabs and sprinting to the finish on first Jab:
35,906,671 adults have had a job, that's 68.2% meaning that there are 52,649,078 people eligible for the Jab.
Opinion poling suggest that 84% of people have had it or wish to have it, so that's: 44,225,225 people
Therefore there are still 8,318,554 who wish to have the Jab but haven't yet.
This last week we have given on average, 138,929 first jabs and 371,321 second jabs, or 510,250 jabs a day.
Which means we could give everybody who wishes to have one first jab one in 16.3 days, or by the end of the month in laymen's terms.
Yes this would mean delaying the second job for some people by 16 days, but is it significantly reduces the total spread, it would help protect everybody, and as the most venerable have all had there second job now, it seems prudent.
Separately but also: If we extended it to 16 and 17 year olds, that's about 2 million more for another 4 days, it would mean that they will have all had there second does, at the start of September, just before they go to university or back collage.
Doesn't going over 12 (?) weeks between jabs mean you have to start the process all over again?
John Burn-Murdoch @jburnmurdoch NEW: this chart is important
It’s early days, but there are signs that the vaccines may be working against the Indian variant B.1.617.2
Yes, all of these "concerned" experts have yet to present any evidence of vaccine escape. It's just one last push by those who want us all locked away for our own good to conquer death.
I’ve done a fair bit of reading on this variant, now.
The main ‘concern’ is not vaccine evasion, but extra transmissibility. We’re almost sure this version of the bug is more infectious, probably more infectious than Kentish Corona. But whether the variant is 30% or 50% more transmissible will be crucial. 30% and we’ll likely be OK. We can manage. 50% could crush the NHS - given the millions we still need to vax
At least the efforts you are now having to go to in order to produce yet another forecast of doom are increasing. It’s a shame we can’t make that into some sort of measure of our progress out of the pandemic.
Very hard to get rid of the shit and the smell out of the carpet after someone takes a massive dump on it.
You clearly haven't been telephone canvassing for Labour.
Corbyn doesn't get a mention
Lack of policies lack of charisma lack of warmth lack of being on my side get plenty.
Main thing to make a return They are all the same
The thing I don't get is this - there are oceans of Social Democratic policies out there. That would warm the hearts of everyone from Corbynistas to the wet end of the Conservatives. That's lots and lots of votes.
Yes, I know. This is what Blair did. And hence Evul.
But why not?
Did Blair set out lots of Labour policies prior to the 1997 election campaign? I was only 5 years old at the time so obviously I don't know. It seems that in modern times the opposition only set out policies when the manifesto gets released.
Blair did not set out a substantive raft of policies, no. It was a timid offering. The anodyne pledge card. Sticking to Tory spending plans for 2 years. Do not frighten the horses.
The 97 landslide was built on a feeling. Time for a change. Tired sleazy Tories. THINGS CAN ONLY GET BETTER.
It worked a D:ream. The Conservative government was flushed away like a turd despite the economy looking (and being) quite rosy.
Which just goes to show.
Indeed - its just not healthy to have one party in permanent power, whether that is the Tories in England, the SNP in Scotland or Labour in Wales. People become complacent, more interested in fighting their petty squabbles, lose sight of the public at large. Labour in England needs to start remembering that its no good having the best policies in the world if no one will vote you into power. How much do they hate Blair that showed them that the country was never going to be as socialist as the party?
I agree. One party rule is the pits. And especially if that one party are the Tories.
On 'socialism', I think we need a reset. The economy being substantially nationalized is a dead idea. But policies to devolve wealth and opportunity away from those rolling in it to those starved of it are more needed than ever. For me, this is modern relevant socialism. New socialism if you like.
So I'd like to see us keep the radical spirit of the Corbyn era but (sorry Owen) ditch its clumsy, old fashioned policy programme. Come up with policies that will work in practice to achieve the above objective, a really significant devolution of wealth and opportunity.
And present this with real passion.
New Socialism. New Britain. New Socialism. New Britain.
Just maybe Boris has stolen your clothes !!!!!!!
Hmm. Not sure about that.
To deliver on Leveling Up, this government must enact some big radical polices to ensure that the left behind people in left behind places narrow the gap in a significant and sustainable way with those more fortunate.
If they do this, I'll applaud them, uncomfortable as it will be for me - but I have a feeling I'll be spared.
At least they are trying havent seen any labour policies that would help the left behind even in Corbyn years....plenty of policies that would hurt the left behind though
Mr. Above, BLM have been very smart with their name/slogan. Lots of otherwise sensible people have taken their nonsense far more seriously than they should have.
Anyone kneeling for a cabal of race-baiting neo-Marxists is a damned fool. To be honest, it's the only thing (with judgement reserved on the yet to be revealed English devolution plans) Starmer has done that's annoyed me seriously.
If BLM is saying get on your knees, and you do it, you're kneeling for them. Saying you're doing it for the slogan is as convincing as a someone saying they're anti-racist while insisting white people are inherently racist.
Edited extra bit: Mr. kinabalu, you make the mistake of thinking that these CRT dimwits aren't racists.
Those who bang on about white privilege and white people being inherently guilty of racism are advocates, not opponents, of racism. The other day I posted leaked (and not denied, to my knowledge) plans by Disney that are alarming, focusing on equality of outcome, not opportunity. This stuff is being taken seriously by many who should know better.
- they are an opposition that doesn't really bother to oppose - their leader had a charisma bypass - they have nothing to say to the swing demographic they've been losing for years - the Government is led by an opportunist whose only reaction to any problem is to hose borrowed money at it - the vaccine rollout has gone very well.
The surprising thing is that Labour are still that high - they are doing better than most centre-left parties in Europe. It shows the loyalty of their Guardianista and black and Muslim core votes.
The Tories getting 45% in the London mayoral election was an ominous sign for the party, given that the capital is supposed to be one of their best areas.
But that was only after second preference transfers.Khan still won much more comfortably than did Johnson in 2012.
John Burn-Murdoch @jburnmurdoch NEW: this chart is important
It’s early days, but there are signs that the vaccines may be working against the Indian variant B.1.617.2
Yes, all of these "concerned" experts have yet to present any evidence of vaccine escape. It's just one last push by those who want us all locked away for our own good to conquer death.
I’ve done a fair bit of reading on this variant, now.
The main ‘concern’ is not vaccine evasion, but extra transmissibility. We’re almost sure this version of the bug is more infectious, probably more infectious than Kentish Corona. But whether the variant is 30% or 50% more transmissible will be crucial. 30% and we’ll likely be OK. We can manage. 50% could crush the NHS - given the millions we still need to vax
But it doesn't make any sense, and seems to be driven by the doommongers who want us locked up for our own safety, rather than actual science.
Given a) the impact on R that the herd effect will have, b) the pre-exissting antibodies/t-cell immunity amongst many of the young who haven't been vaccinated but have had covid and c) that the vast majority of under 40s who get Covid don't get anywhere near a hospital, how would it crush the NHS?
Good questions. I was merely relaying the scientists’ concerns, not necessarily agreeing with them
One guess: the numbers of unvaxxed vary significantly by area and ethnicity. Tower Hamlets has thousands of unvaxxed, Teignmouth does not. So the Indian variant could overwhelm the NHS locally, if not nationally?
Oh yes. And a curious one too. Very curious. I genuinely wish to understand why somebody would be so absolutely LIVID about people taking a knee for BLM.
Couple of questions if I may and you're not running -
Assume a person (here) is genuinely appalled by Floyd type happenings in America and wishes to show it in a manner that others can see. Is there a way in which this could be done that would meet with your approval?
The gesture itself. Does the kneeling aspect make it worse for you? Eg if it was upright and clenched fist would that be less offensive? Or maybe just singing a song or something, no body parts involvement at all?
You have largely answered your own question: Why would a person (here) who is genuinely appalled by Floyd type happenings in America wish to show it in a manner that others can see?
Many reasons. You can be so angry about something that you just have to let it out (like Morris et al with BLM and "the knee"). You can hope that if you take part in something communal you might, in your small way, be making a difference. In public it's sending more of a message than if you keep it all to yourself. It's getting it out there. And these things don't stop at national borders. Most of the concerning events that happen in the world happen outside the UK, after all and thankfully.
Why arent you making a public gesture for the uighars then? Or gays in certain eastern european and muslim countries or....the list goes on....would it be because usa ?
John Burn-Murdoch @jburnmurdoch NEW: this chart is important
It’s early days, but there are signs that the vaccines may be working against the Indian variant B.1.617.2
Yes, all of these "concerned" experts have yet to present any evidence of vaccine escape. It's just one last push by those who want us all locked away for our own good to conquer death.
I’ve done a fair bit of reading on this variant, now.
The main ‘concern’ is not vaccine evasion, but extra transmissibility. We’re almost sure this version of the bug is more infectious, probably more infectious than Kentish Corona. But whether the variant is 30% or 50% more transmissible will be crucial. 30% and we’ll likely be OK. We can manage. 50% could crush the NHS - given the millions we still need to vax
But it doesn't make any sense, and seems to be driven by the doommongers who want us locked up for our own safety, rather than actual science.
Given a) the impact on R that the herd effect will have, b) the pre-exissting antibodies/t-cell immunity amongst many of the young who haven't been vaccinated but have had covid and c) that the vast majority of under 40s who get Covid don't get anywhere near a hospital, how would it crush the NHS?
Good questions. I was merely relaying the scientists’ concerns, not necessarily agreeing with them
One guess: the numbers of unvaxxed vary significantly by area and ethnicity. Tower Hamlets has thousands of unvaxxed, Teignmouth does not. So the Indian variant could overwhelm the NHS locally, if not nationally?
Just a thought
If they've chosen not to get vaccinated then that's on them.
Keep offering them the vaccine, but if they want to take their chances against the Indian variant unvaccinated then so be it. We can't be kept hostage by antivaxxers.
Yougov had Labour on 29% a few weeks ago. 8% for the Greens very unlikely in a GE. Other polls now have Labour on 34% . Factor in a post-Hartlepool effect likely to be short term.
I actually think you are wrong about the Greens
They are growing in popularity here and across Europe
Underestimate the Greens at your peril
Other pollsters do not have them at that level. The Greens - like the LDs - flatter to deceive at Local Elections. Here in Norwich they were very strong a few years back but their success failed to translate into support at parliamentary elections.
But Justin times are changing and fast and looking back does not relate to looking forward
Labour are in an existential crisis and you seem to be in denial
Oh yes. And a curious one too. Very curious. I genuinely wish to understand why somebody would be so absolutely LIVID about people taking a knee for BLM.
Couple of questions if I may and you're not running -
Assume a person (here) is genuinely appalled by Floyd type happenings in America and wishes to show it in a manner that others can see. Is there a way in which this could be done that would meet with your approval?
The gesture itself. Does the kneeling aspect make it worse for you? Eg if it was upright and clenched fist would that be less offensive? Or maybe just singing a song or something, no body parts involvement at all?
You have largely answered your own question: Why would a person (here) who is genuinely appalled by Floyd type happenings in America wish to show it in a manner that others can see?
Because they have no inner life and signalling their virtue to the world is the whole point of the exercise?
Or perhaps it's simply that you can't empathize with somebody getting upset about this issue and therefore you assume the upset is faked. That squares the circle for you.
This here comment of mine is not targeted at anyone on here - honest guv - but I do sense that for some the gesture is particularly upsetting because it smacks of supplication to the Black Man.
Sorry. Nonsense. Only in your mind.
Hey Stocky - ignore him. He's at it again. I have saved the following so that I will be able to roll it out when needed (often, it appears). Calling you a racist is a low I admit for him but it is all about him really, so ignore it.
Here's my post from the other day. As true now as then. You can include discussions about taking the knee. He has no answer but to imply that you are racist.
"What you have to remember is that because @kinabalu for some unknown reason is very insecure he is invested in belittling your views of nationality and what it means to be British.
He does this because as a working class lad made good (very good) and now moved away from his roots, he is confused about what he is supposed to think about these things. He feels he should condemn anyone who even mentions nationality and being British but has no views himself on them.
And hence when he bumps into someone like you, someone he believes he is far more successful and intelligent than, but someone who is far more confident in their own opinions on such to him delicate and taboo subjects, he has literally no answer.
As you are finding out."
Oh look it's Topping. And he's still upset about something.
John Burn-Murdoch @jburnmurdoch NEW: this chart is important
It’s early days, but there are signs that the vaccines may be working against the Indian variant B.1.617.2
Yes, all of these "concerned" experts have yet to present any evidence of vaccine escape. It's just one last push by those who want us all locked away for our own good to conquer death.
I’ve done a fair bit of reading on this variant, now.
The main ‘concern’ is not vaccine evasion, but extra transmissibility. We’re almost sure this version of the bug is more infectious, probably more infectious than Kentish Corona. But whether the variant is 30% or 50% more transmissible will be crucial. 30% and we’ll likely be OK. We can manage. 50% could crush the NHS - given the millions we still need to vax
But it doesn't make any sense, and seems to be driven by the doommongers who want us locked up for our own safety, rather than actual science.
Given a) the impact on R that the herd effect will have, b) the pre-exissting antibodies/t-cell immunity amongst many of the young who haven't been vaccinated but have had covid and c) that the vast majority of under 40s who get Covid don't get anywhere near a hospital, how would it crush the NHS?
Good questions. I was merely relaying the scientists’ concerns, not necessarily agreeing with them
One guess: the numbers of unvaxxed vary significantly by area and ethnicity. Tower Hamlets has thousands of unvaxxed, Teignmouth does not. So the Indian variant could overwhelm the NHS locally, if not nationally?
Just a thought
If they've chosen not to get vaccinated then that's on them.
Keep offering them the vaccine, but if they want to take their chances against the Indian variant unvaccinated then so be it. We can't be kept hostage by antivaxxers.
That would be fine - and I agree - if we weren’t all sharing the same NHS. A million stupid anti vaxxers with Covid can fuck up the NHS for all of us, not just themselves
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Now there was this party that.....
If they were pro independence they would not have got Tory and LD tactical votes and would have lost votes to the Unionist parties without gaining any from the SNP
"How did you learn how to speak duck? There's not a trace of a human accent to it."
It makes me cry with laughter every time
If that is how you see the loss of 500 Scottish jobs then you are either just being controversial for the sake of it or you are not prepared to accept the cold hard facts that as long as this constitutional crisis and inter Scot warfare between each other continues, the less investment and jobs Scotland will see.
Furthermore, until Nicola addressees the relevant responses needed to how an Independent Scotland would deal with the currency, pensions, borders, and not least the cross border family ties then the majority of canny Scots will decide to remain in the union
I imagine the Conservatives have a clear lead once you get past 40+ and perhaps even for 35+ but that will disguise gender and social class - I imagine high-educated women don't "flip" until 45+.
https://twitter.com/wesstreeting/status/1393143127305764865?s=20
He's 38 FFS!
With 4 MSP's they are no longer a party in the Assembly. Soon that number will shrink.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-57112371
https://order-order.com/2021/05/14/wes-streeting-stepping-back-from-politics-to-undergo-kidney-cancer-treatment/
May he receive the best treatment and be able to return to his new front bench duties soon
You can attack the messenger but the message remains accurate
https://twitter.com/pmdfoster/status/1393150808880041986?s=20
Story is New Cancer treatment approved in the UK not available in Northern Ireland due to the Northern Ireland protocol
There was clearly Unionist tactical voting, just as Unionist tactical voting last week in seats like Eastwood, Aberdeenshire West, Edinburgh South and Dumbarton was pivotal in preventing the SNP getting an overall majority at Holyrood
@jburnmurdoch
NEW: this chart is important
It’s early days, but there are signs that the vaccines may be working against the Indian variant B.1.617.2
Last night in the Airdrie and Shotts Westminster seat by election there was yet further evidence of it
Couple of questions if I may and you're not running -
Assume a person (here) is genuinely appalled by Floyd type happenings in America and wishes to show it in a manner that others can see. Is there a way in which this could be done that would meet with your approval?
The gesture itself. Does the kneeling aspect make it worse for you? Eg if it was upright and clenched fist would that be less offensive? Or maybe just singing a song or something, no body parts involvement at all?
We have a rise in 0-14, 15-44 and a barely noticeable rise for 45-64. Otherwise - a fall in cases.
That seems quite conclusive to me. The rise in cases is occurring among the unvaccinated cohorts.
This here comment of mine is not targeted at anyone on here - honest guv - but I do sense that for some the gesture is particularly upsetting because it smacks of supplication to the Black Man.
@VincentRK
One piece of positive news speaking to leaders of 2 large hospitals in India where most healthcare workers were fully vaccinated: No serious COVID cases among any of the vaccinated healthcare workers during this current crisis. The vaccines are working.
Smart dude.
They are growing in popularity here and across Europe
Underestimate the Greens at your peril
I would fall over I am afraid !!!!!!!!!!!
A maternity hospital is forced to cancel routine appointments due to the "critical emergency", but vaccinations are unaffected."
https://news.sky.com/story/irelands-health-service-shuts-down-it-systems-over-significant-ransomware-attack-12305982
One of the local press sites is already reporting the story, and I have tipped off the other. Hopefully we can get the Newport centre to at least start offering people the AZN if they want it.
Embrace uncertainty !
Intolerance of uncertainty modulates brain-to-brain synchrony during politically polarized perception
https://www.pnas.org/content/118/20/e2022491118
Political partisans view the world through a biased lens, but little is known about how these biased perceptions of reality arise. We measured the brain activity of committed partisans watching real political video footage. Although all participants viewed the same videos, brain responses diverged between liberals and conservatives, reflecting differences in the subjective interpretation of the footage. This polarized perception was exacerbated by a personality trait: intolerance of uncertainty. Participants less tolerant to uncertainty in daily life had more ideologically polarized brain responses than those who tolerate uncertainty. This was observed on both sides of the ideological aisle. This suggests that aversion to uncertainty governs how the brain processes political information to form black-and-white interpretations of inflammatory political content.
To deliver on Leveling Up, this government must enact some big radical polices to ensure that the left behind people in left behind places narrow the gap in a significant and sustainable way with those more fortunate.
If they do this, I'll applaud them, uncomfortable as it will be for me - but I have a feeling I'll be spared.
- they are an opposition that doesn't really bother to oppose
- their leader had a charisma bypass
- they have nothing to say to the swing demographic they've been losing for years
- the Government is led by an opportunist whose only reaction to any problem is to hose borrowed money at it
- the vaccine rollout has gone very well.
The surprising thing is that Labour are still that high - they are doing better than most centre-left parties in Europe. It shows the loyalty of their Guardianista and black and Muslim core votes.
https://www.politico.eu/coronavirus-in-europe/
Except you can't see the chart!
The main ‘concern’ is not vaccine evasion, but extra transmissibility. We’re almost sure this version of the bug is more infectious, probably more infectious than Kentish Corona. But whether the variant is 30% or 50% more transmissible will be crucial. 30% and we’ll likely be OK. We can manage. 50% could crush the NHS - given the millions we still need to vax
Times (££)
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/summer-covid-peak-could-overwhelm-nhs-without-local-lockdowns-rbpfr6wp0
But it doesn't make any sense, and seems to be driven by the doommongers who want us locked up for our own safety, rather than actual science.
Given a) the impact on R that the herd effect will have, b) the pre-exissting antibodies/t-cell immunity amongst many of the young who haven't been vaccinated but have had covid and c) that the vast majority of under 40s who get Covid don't get anywhere near a hospital, how would it crush the NHS?
When I told them this happened yesterday, they said they weren’t actually responsible for the island vaccination centre and punted me off to Solent NHS Trust. I have been onto Solent and tracked down someone to speak to, but they are at lunch. Hopefully more later.
This barnstorming article by Fraser Nelson is free from paywall until 1:30pm. I find it hard to disagree with a single word of it.
It includes the astonishing claim that scientists at SAGE who demurred from lockdown orthodoxy were threatened with the sack.
If you are to win independence then Nicola will need to answer the many complex questions involved and of course really needs a majority supporting the project
The best time for Scotland to have attempted this was at the height of the oil boom but of course oil is now a liability with billions required to decommission the oil fields, as demanded by the Greens
I am growing in confidence that Scotland will remain in the union, but of course that may change
35,906,671 adults have had a job, that's 68.2% meaning that there are 52,649,078 people eligible for the Jab.
Opinion poling suggest that 84% of people have had it or wish to have it, so that's: 44,225,225 people
Therefore there are still 8,318,554 who wish to have the Jab but haven't yet.
This last week we have given on average, 138,929 first jabs and 371,321 second jabs, or 510,250 jabs a day.
Which means we could give everybody who wishes to have one first jab one in 16.3 days, or by the end of the month in laymen's terms.
Yes this would mean delaying the second job for some people by 16 days, but is it significantly reduces the total spread, it would help protect everybody, and as the most venerable have all had there second job now, it seems prudent.
Separately but also: If we extended it to 16 and 17 year olds, that's about 2 million more for another 4 days, it would mean that they will have all had there second does, at the start of September, just before they go to university or back collage.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demography_of_Greater_Manchester?wprov=sfla1
Here's my post from the other day. As true now as then. You can include discussions about taking the knee. He has no answer but to imply that you are racist.
"What you have to remember is that because @kinabalu for some unknown reason is very insecure he is invested in belittling your views of nationality and what it means to be British.
He does this because as a working class lad made good (very good) and now moved away from his roots, he is confused about what he is supposed to think about these things. He feels he should condemn anyone who even mentions nationality and being British but has no views himself on them.
And hence when he bumps into someone like you, someone he believes he is far more successful and intelligent than, but someone who is far more confident in their own opinions on such to him delicate and taboo subjects, he has literally no answer.
As you are finding out."
Does it mention whether the modelling took into account differential risk of hospitalisation among the unvaccinated (i.e. mostly young with no long term conditions). Still problems with enough infections of course, but that 'enough' could be really quite large in a young cohort.
The other thing (and I don't know whether there are good data on this from track and trace) are the chains of infection. If most infection chains for the young are purely through the unvaccinated young, then it could spread rapidly through this population. But if the chain is youngish person living at home passes it on to dad who passes it on to work colleague who passes it onto daughter then that chain is likely broken (or much reduced in likelihood) by vaccination of the parents. You could see this ripping through a university or, indeed, a school. But any transmission links that were via older people (and by older I'm talking >40, now and falling) will be be severely curtailed by vaccination.
Schools and universities are two obvious places for large scale spread. Schools are testing loads. Universities are testing loads those permitted to come in (still a low proportion). I'm pretty optmistic that this can be limited, if not by vaccination alone then by far more limited local interventions.
The Indian strain should be quite concerning for countries much further behind in vaccinations, for sure.
One guess: the numbers of unvaxxed vary significantly by area and ethnicity. Tower Hamlets has thousands of unvaxxed, Teignmouth does not. So the Indian variant could overwhelm the NHS locally, if not nationally?
Just a thought
Keep offering them the vaccine, but if they want to take their chances against the Indian variant unvaccinated then so be it. We can't be kept hostage by antivaxxers.
Labour are in an existential crisis and you seem to be in denial
See, we can both read minds.
Wow. I was assuming that Labour must have been cruising in London given the national polling. Starmer really didn't have a good election.
Make the jabs mandatory?