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  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,298
    Leon said:

    Fraser Knight
    @Fraser_Knight
    ·
    1m
    Warning from Health Secretary the government will not hesitate to take further action to get Indian variant under control.

    All positive tests in London are also now going to be prioritised for sequencing to see if they’re a result of a mutation.


    ++++

    Can a Tory, any Tory, please explain the open borders policy?? What the fucking holy fuck was gained by allowing flights from India for an extra three weeks?

    WHAT???

    I’m not a Tory.

    But I believe Johnson managed to secure a deal to allow increased immigration from India.

    So it’s trebles all round on the streets of Hartlepool.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,541
    edited May 2021
    Leon said:

    Fraser Knight
    @Fraser_Knight
    ·
    1m
    Warning from Health Secretary the government will not hesitate to take further action to get Indian variant under control.

    All positive tests in London are also now going to be prioritised for sequencing to see if they’re a result of a mutation.


    ++++

    Can a Tory, any Tory, please explain the open borders policy?? What the fucking holy fuck was gained by allowing flights from India for an extra three weeks?

    WHAT???

    They seem to have a problem with the idea of immediately closing borders, as if they're afraid of offending people who might not be able to get back to the UK. But stopping new variants from entering the country is surely more important.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559

    TimT said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Best albums of the 1990s... (only picking one per band):

    Radiohead - The Bends
    Nirvana - Nevermind
    Pulp - Different Class
    Blur - Modern Life is Rubbish
    Oasis - Definitely Maybe
    REM - Monster
    Portishead - Dummy
    Leftfield - Leftism
    Moby - Everything is Wrong
    Beastie Boys - Check Your Head
    Pearl Jam - 10

    What am I missing?

    Since you asked:

    Massive Attack - Blue Lines
    Beck - Odelay (but prefer Midnite Vultures)
    U2 - Achtung Baby
    Bjork - Debut
    Smashing Pumpkins - Siamese Dream
    Air - Moon Safari
    Belle & Sebastián - Boy with the Arab Strap
    Bob Dylan - Time Out Of Mind
    Buena Vista Social Club OST
    Suede - Suede
    Roots - Things Fall Apart

    Edit: Super Furry Animals - Fuzzy Logic!
    Oh I forgot Buena Vista - and I was thinking about Ry Cooder albums from the 90s but all the really great stuff he did apart from BVSC was back in the 70s and early 80s.
    I liked Borderline a lot.
    Early Ry Cooder is superb.
    His last album “Prodigal Son” shows he’s still got it.
    My personal Ry Cooder favorite

    Billy the Kid - Ry Cooder (Billy Dean & Paul Nelson)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aALKo6xS43Y
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,125
    Foxy said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Best albums of the 1990s... (only picking one per band):

    Radiohead - The Bends
    Nirvana - Nevermind
    Pulp - Different Class
    Blur - Modern Life is Rubbish
    Oasis - Definitely Maybe
    REM - Monster
    Portishead - Dummy
    Leftfield - Leftism
    Moby - Everything is Wrong
    Beastie Boys - Check Your Head
    Pearl Jam - 10

    What am I missing?

    Since you asked:

    Massive Attack - Blue Lines
    Beck - Odelay (but prefer Midnite Vultures)
    U2 - Achtung Baby
    Bjork - Debut
    Smashing Pumpkins - Siamese Dream
    Air - Moon Safari
    Belle & Sebastián - Boy with the Arab Strap
    Bob Dylan - Time Out Of Mind
    Buena Vista Social Club OST
    Suede - Suede
    Roots - Things Fall Apart

    Edit: Super Furry Animals - Fuzzy Logic!
    Pulpstar said:

    TimT said:

    Mortimer said:

    No thread on best albums of the 1990s ?

    My very first gig was Blur, at the BIC, in December 2003.

    They didn't do another one for over five years.

    I really did think I was born too late....
    Roxy Music, 1973, with Brian Eno in Plymouth Guild Hall.

    PS Underworld (2nd Toughest In Infants) is what I still listen to from the 90s
    Rasputin is in the charts at no 18 right now.
    It is a TikTok hit I think.

    So Tonight That I Might See by Mazzy Star is the nineties album that I play most often. The languid dream pop is perfect.

    This is a massively underrated album I think.

    Along the lines of Blue Lines, one of those that everyone loves but doesn't necessarily know.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    Great job EU!

    More than a quarter of adults in the European Union would be unlikely to take the COVID-19 vaccine when it was offered to them, a survey published on Thursday showed.

    https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/over-quarter-eu-adults-would-refuse-covid-19-shot-survey-says-2021-05-13/
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,547

    Jane Merrick
    @janemerrick23
    ·
    1h
    Really striking to see B1617.2’s increase here in a short space of time

    https://twitter.com/janemerrick23/status/1392923550852517890

    Cumulative totals, note.

    Word is, the cruise ships dotted around the Devon coast have been crewing up to start moving them for cruising again. The crews? Yup, flown in from India. Tested with Indian variant Covid? Yup.....but not until they had travelled down here.

    Can anyone confirm?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,169

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Best albums of the 1990s... (only picking one per band):

    Radiohead - The Bends
    Nirvana - Nevermind
    Pulp - Different Class
    Blur - Modern Life is Rubbish
    Oasis - Definitely Maybe
    REM - Monster
    Portishead - Dummy
    Leftfield - Leftism
    Moby - Everything is Wrong
    Beastie Boys - Check Your Head
    Pearl Jam - 10

    What am I missing?

    Depeche Mode - Songs of Faith & Devotion
    Oh yes. Really terrible omission from me.
    Massive Attack / Blue Lines.

    I'll add No Doubt - Tragic Kingdom
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,112

    rcs1000 said:

    Best albums of the 1990s... (only picking one per band):

    Radiohead - The Bends
    Nirvana - Nevermind
    Pulp - Different Class
    Blur - Modern Life is Rubbish
    Oasis - Definitely Maybe
    REM - Monster
    Portishead - Dummy
    Leftfield - Leftism
    Moby - Everything is Wrong
    Beastie Boys - Check Your Head
    Pearl Jam - 10

    What am I missing?

    That the 80s was better than the 90s
    The 70s was better than any other decade for music. Or at least a very extended 70s from around 1968 to 1981
    I think you need to extend it slightly to include The Velvet Underground & Nico.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,797
    sarissa said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Best albums of the 1990s... (only picking one per band):

    Radiohead - The Bends
    Nirvana - Nevermind
    Pulp - Different Class
    Blur - Modern Life is Rubbish
    Oasis - Definitely Maybe
    REM - Monster
    Portishead - Dummy
    Leftfield - Leftism
    Moby - Everything is Wrong
    Beastie Boys - Check Your Head
    Pearl Jam - 10

    What am I missing?

    Ian McNabb - Head Like a Rock
    Out of time for me is way better than monster but it is distinguishing in levels of excellence.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,688
    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Fraser Knight
    @Fraser_Knight
    ·
    1m
    Warning from Health Secretary the government will not hesitate to take further action to get Indian variant under control.

    All positive tests in London are also now going to be prioritised for sequencing to see if they’re a result of a mutation.


    ++++

    Can a Tory, any Tory, please explain the open borders policy?? What the fucking holy fuck was gained by allowing flights from India for an extra three weeks?

    WHAT???

    They seem to have a problem with the idea of immediately closing borders, as if they're afraid of offending people who might not be able to get back to the UK. But stopping new variants from entering the country is surely more important.
    Johnson should fall as @Leon says if he has allowed our vaccine 'miracle' to be completely wrecked by his open borders policy. I mean India was open still only what two weeks ago? Madness.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    rcs1000 said:

    Best albums of the 1990s... (only picking one per band):

    Radiohead - The Bends
    Nirvana - Nevermind
    Pulp - Different Class
    Blur - Modern Life is Rubbish
    Oasis - Definitely Maybe
    REM - Monster
    Portishead - Dummy
    Leftfield - Leftism
    Moby - Everything is Wrong
    Beastie Boys - Check Your Head
    Pearl Jam - 10

    What am I missing?

    That the 80s was better than the 90s
    The 70s was better than any other decade for music. Or at least a very extended 70s from around 1968 to 1981
    Whiter Shade of Pale
    Beirut
    The early Queen stuff
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,112
    edited May 2021
    Charles said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Best albums of the 1990s... (only picking one per band):

    Radiohead - The Bends
    Nirvana - Nevermind
    Pulp - Different Class
    Blur - Modern Life is Rubbish
    Oasis - Definitely Maybe
    REM - Monster
    Portishead - Dummy
    Leftfield - Leftism
    Moby - Everything is Wrong
    Beastie Boys - Check Your Head
    Pearl Jam - 10

    What am I missing?

    That the 80s was better than the 90s
    The 70s was better than any other decade for music. Or at least a very extended 70s from around 1968 to 1981
    Whiter Shade of Pale
    Beirut
    The early Queen stuff
    This Beirut?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R781LDKOVJE&ab_channel=LaBlogothèque
  • glwglw Posts: 9,906
    Leon said:

    Yes. Indeed

    IIRC I said on this site that if Boris' "lax" attitude to the border - specifically with India in this case - led to another lockdown, I would never vote Tory again

    I stand by that

    I had a conversation making exactly that point last week. If we have another lockdown due to the incomprehensible travel policies of this government I'll never vote Tory again. I've already sworn off Labour forever, I may have to start voting Lib Dem once more.

  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,966
    Leon said:

    Fraser Knight
    @Fraser_Knight
    ·
    1m
    Warning from Health Secretary the government will not hesitate to take further action to get Indian variant under control.

    All positive tests in London are also now going to be prioritised for sequencing to see if they’re a result of a mutation.


    ++++

    Can a Tory, any Tory, please explain the open borders policy?? What the fucking holy fuck was gained by allowing flights from India for an extra three weeks?

    WHAT???

    We also have airbridge v3 coming for summer holidays....where i can't go to Spain, but I can go to Portugal and Gilbrater...and erhh drive no distance at all to Spain.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    Metallica - Metallica aka The Black Album
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    Leon said:

    Fraser Knight
    @Fraser_Knight
    ·
    1m
    Warning from Health Secretary the government will not hesitate to take further action to get Indian variant under control.

    All positive tests in London are also now going to be prioritised for sequencing to see if they’re a result of a mutation.


    ++++

    Can a Tory, any Tory, please explain the open borders policy?? What the fucking holy fuck was gained by allowing flights from India for an extra three weeks?

    WHAT???

    NOT a Tory, but am guessing that wanting to, err, curry goodwill among Indians in UK and in India was a factor, along with economic considerations for the national economy. And party exchequer?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,231
    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Fraser Knight
    @Fraser_Knight
    ·
    1m
    Warning from Health Secretary the government will not hesitate to take further action to get Indian variant under control.

    All positive tests in London are also now going to be prioritised for sequencing to see if they’re a result of a mutation.


    ++++

    Can a Tory, any Tory, please explain the open borders policy?? What the fucking holy fuck was gained by allowing flights from India for an extra three weeks?

    WHAT???

    They seem to have a problem with the idea of immediately closing borders, as if they're afraid of offending people who might not be able to get back to the UK. But stopping new variants from entering the country is surely more important.
    This has been an issue from day 1

    I cannot explain it.

    It's obvious that islands can benefit from locked borders. Taiwan, Oz, NZ. Sure, the UK is more connected, and closing the borders is painful - economically and humanly - but 150,000 deaths and a loss of 10% GDP is much worse.

    If Boris' stupidity sends us into another prolonged lockdown, then enough. He has to go, I think
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,112
    DavidL said:

    sarissa said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Best albums of the 1990s... (only picking one per band):

    Radiohead - The Bends
    Nirvana - Nevermind
    Pulp - Different Class
    Blur - Modern Life is Rubbish
    Oasis - Definitely Maybe
    REM - Monster
    Portishead - Dummy
    Leftfield - Leftism
    Moby - Everything is Wrong
    Beastie Boys - Check Your Head
    Pearl Jam - 10

    What am I missing?

    Ian McNabb - Head Like a Rock
    Out of time for me is way better than monster but it is distinguishing in levels of excellence.
    Out of Time contains one of the worst songs in existence, a mawkish, sentimental & generally shit track known as Everybody Hurts (If they have to listen to this song).

    Everybody Hurts is so bad, it could have been written by Coldplay.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,966
    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Fraser Knight
    @Fraser_Knight
    ·
    1m
    Warning from Health Secretary the government will not hesitate to take further action to get Indian variant under control.

    All positive tests in London are also now going to be prioritised for sequencing to see if they’re a result of a mutation.


    ++++

    Can a Tory, any Tory, please explain the open borders policy?? What the fucking holy fuck was gained by allowing flights from India for an extra three weeks?

    WHAT???

    They seem to have a problem with the idea of immediately closing borders, as if they're afraid of offending people who might not be able to get back to the UK. But stopping new variants from entering the country is surely more important.
    When will they learn that despite the media running the "hard luck" stories, the public are basically we have no sympathy....what were you doing travelling for a wedding or for a social media photoshoot....
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,966

    Metallica - Metallica aka The Black Album

    I can't believe nobody mentioned that...it is THE metal album of the 90s.
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,705
    Would it not make more sense to accelerate first doses, rather than second doses?

    Also - if we lock down again before we've actually really unlocked, I think I THINK I might go insane.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Fraser Knight
    @Fraser_Knight
    ·
    1m
    Warning from Health Secretary the government will not hesitate to take further action to get Indian variant under control.

    All positive tests in London are also now going to be prioritised for sequencing to see if they’re a result of a mutation.


    ++++

    Can a Tory, any Tory, please explain the open borders policy?? What the fucking holy fuck was gained by allowing flights from India for an extra three weeks?

    WHAT???

    They seem to have a problem with the idea of immediately closing borders, as if they're afraid of offending people who might not be able to get back to the UK. But stopping new variants from entering the country is surely more important.
    This has been an issue from day 1

    I cannot explain it.

    It's obvious that islands can benefit from locked borders. Taiwan, Oz, NZ. Sure, the UK is more connected, and closing the borders is painful - economically and humanly - but 150,000 deaths and a loss of 10% GDP is much worse.

    If Boris' stupidity sends us into another prolonged lockdown, then enough. He has to go, I think
    How long is this hysterical overreaction going to happen for? Just tonight, or all weekend until you get to enjoy your first pint on Monday?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,615

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Best albums of the 1990s... (only picking one per band):

    Radiohead - The Bends
    Nirvana - Nevermind
    Pulp - Different Class
    Blur - Modern Life is Rubbish
    Oasis - Definitely Maybe
    REM - Monster
    Portishead - Dummy
    Leftfield - Leftism
    Moby - Everything is Wrong
    Beastie Boys - Check Your Head
    Pearl Jam - 10

    What am I missing?

    Depeche Mode - Songs of Faith & Devotion
    Oh yes. Really terrible omission from me.
    Massive Attack / Blue Lines.

    Protection by Massive Attack too.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,112

    Leon said:

    Fraser Knight
    @Fraser_Knight
    ·
    1m
    Warning from Health Secretary the government will not hesitate to take further action to get Indian variant under control.

    All positive tests in London are also now going to be prioritised for sequencing to see if they’re a result of a mutation.


    ++++

    Can a Tory, any Tory, please explain the open borders policy?? What the fucking holy fuck was gained by allowing flights from India for an extra three weeks?

    WHAT???

    We also have airbridge v3 coming for summer holidays....where i can't go to Spain, but I can go to Portugal and Gilbrater...and erhh drive no distance at all to Spain.
    So long as the vaccines continue to prove effective, it'll be fine.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    rcs1000 said:

    isam said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Best albums of the 1990s... (only picking one per band):

    Radiohead - The Bends
    Nirvana - Nevermind
    Pulp - Different Class
    Blur - Modern Life is Rubbish
    Oasis - Definitely Maybe
    REM - Monster
    Portishead - Dummy
    Leftfield - Leftism
    Moby - Everything is Wrong
    Beastie Boys - Check Your Head
    Pearl Jam - 10

    What am I missing?

    Automatic for the People is a lot better than Monster
    Sadly it contains "Everybody Hurts" and is therefore ineligible for consideration.
    Other great albums anyway

    You mentioned Beck - Sea Change is one of the best albums I’ve ever listened to. Utterly depressing
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,688
    rcs1000 said:

    DavidL said:

    sarissa said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Best albums of the 1990s... (only picking one per band):

    Radiohead - The Bends
    Nirvana - Nevermind
    Pulp - Different Class
    Blur - Modern Life is Rubbish
    Oasis - Definitely Maybe
    REM - Monster
    Portishead - Dummy
    Leftfield - Leftism
    Moby - Everything is Wrong
    Beastie Boys - Check Your Head
    Pearl Jam - 10

    What am I missing?

    Ian McNabb - Head Like a Rock
    Out of time for me is way better than monster but it is distinguishing in levels of excellence.
    Out of Time contains one of the worst songs in existence, a mawkish, sentimental & generally shit track known as Everybody Hurts (If they have to listen to this song).

    Everybody Hurts is so bad, it could have been written by Coldplay.
    Point of Order: Everybody Hurts is not on Out of Time.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,541
    rcs1000 said:

    Best albums of the 1990s... (only picking one per band):

    Radiohead - The Bends
    Nirvana - Nevermind
    Pulp - Different Class
    Blur - Modern Life is Rubbish
    Oasis - Definitely Maybe
    REM - Monster
    Portishead - Dummy
    Leftfield - Leftism
    Moby - Everything is Wrong
    Beastie Boys - Check Your Head
    Pearl Jam - 10

    What am I missing?

    I'd like to see a "best albums of the 80s" list.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,112

    rcs1000 said:

    DavidL said:

    sarissa said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Best albums of the 1990s... (only picking one per band):

    Radiohead - The Bends
    Nirvana - Nevermind
    Pulp - Different Class
    Blur - Modern Life is Rubbish
    Oasis - Definitely Maybe
    REM - Monster
    Portishead - Dummy
    Leftfield - Leftism
    Moby - Everything is Wrong
    Beastie Boys - Check Your Head
    Pearl Jam - 10

    What am I missing?

    Ian McNabb - Head Like a Rock
    Out of time for me is way better than monster but it is distinguishing in levels of excellence.
    Out of Time contains one of the worst songs in existence, a mawkish, sentimental & generally shit track known as Everybody Hurts (If they have to listen to this song).

    Everybody Hurts is so bad, it could have been written by Coldplay.
    Point of Order: Everybody Hurts is not on Out of Time.
    Shit. You're right. It's Automatic for the People
    OOT is an excellent album.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,231

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Fraser Knight
    @Fraser_Knight
    ·
    1m
    Warning from Health Secretary the government will not hesitate to take further action to get Indian variant under control.

    All positive tests in London are also now going to be prioritised for sequencing to see if they’re a result of a mutation.


    ++++

    Can a Tory, any Tory, please explain the open borders policy?? What the fucking holy fuck was gained by allowing flights from India for an extra three weeks?

    WHAT???

    They seem to have a problem with the idea of immediately closing borders, as if they're afraid of offending people who might not be able to get back to the UK. But stopping new variants from entering the country is surely more important.
    When will they learn that despite the media running the "hard luck" stories, the public are basically we have no sympathy....what were you doing travelling for a wedding or for a social media photoshoot....
    Australia and NZ are absolutely brutal to their citizens abroad. No, you aren't getting back in, No you're stuck. Try and get back in and you face a massive fine and prison

    It is savage and it is massively popular. They have kept out the virus - along with tens of thousands of their own people. I do not understand why a Tory government in the UK is so limitlessly pathetic
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,541
    edited May 2021
    Huge increase in cases as this map shows. Surely pubs will have to remain closed in the hotspot areas.

    https://covid.joinzoe.com/data
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,282
    rcs1000 said:

    DavidL said:

    sarissa said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Best albums of the 1990s... (only picking one per band):

    Radiohead - The Bends
    Nirvana - Nevermind
    Pulp - Different Class
    Blur - Modern Life is Rubbish
    Oasis - Definitely Maybe
    REM - Monster
    Portishead - Dummy
    Leftfield - Leftism
    Moby - Everything is Wrong
    Beastie Boys - Check Your Head
    Pearl Jam - 10

    What am I missing?

    Ian McNabb - Head Like a Rock
    Out of time for me is way better than monster but it is distinguishing in levels of excellence.
    Out of Time contains one of the worst songs in existence, a mawkish, sentimental & generally shit track known as Everybody Hurts (If they have to listen to this song).

    Everybody Hurts is so bad, it could have been written by Coldplay.
    Harsh and wrong. And surely on Automatic for the People?
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 9,870
    Andy_JS said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Best albums of the 1990s... (only picking one per band):

    Radiohead - The Bends
    Nirvana - Nevermind
    Pulp - Different Class
    Blur - Modern Life is Rubbish
    Oasis - Definitely Maybe
    REM - Monster
    Portishead - Dummy
    Leftfield - Leftism
    Moby - Everything is Wrong
    Beastie Boys - Check Your Head
    Pearl Jam - 10

    What am I missing?

    I'd like to see a "best albums of the 80s" list.
    Compared to the 90's the answer would be most of them except dollar
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited May 2021
    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Fraser Knight
    @Fraser_Knight
    ·
    1m
    Warning from Health Secretary the government will not hesitate to take further action to get Indian variant under control.

    All positive tests in London are also now going to be prioritised for sequencing to see if they’re a result of a mutation.


    ++++

    Can a Tory, any Tory, please explain the open borders policy?? What the fucking holy fuck was gained by allowing flights from India for an extra three weeks?

    WHAT???

    They seem to have a problem with the idea of immediately closing borders, as if they're afraid of offending people who might not be able to get back to the UK. But stopping new variants from entering the country is surely more important.
    When will they learn that despite the media running the "hard luck" stories, the public are basically we have no sympathy....what were you doing travelling for a wedding or for a social media photoshoot....
    Australia and NZ are absolutely brutal to their citizens abroad. No, you aren't getting back in, No you're stuck. Try and get back in and you face a massive fine and prison

    It is savage and it is massively popular. They have kept out the virus - along with tens of thousands of their own people. I do not understand why a Tory government in the UK is so limitlessly pathetic
    The Aussie IPL cricketers were sentenced to a fortnight in the Maldives I think!
  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,639
    Leon said:

    Looks like regional restrictions?


    Aubrey Allegretti
    @breeallegretti
    Stark warning issued by DHSC tonight, in light of India variant’s spread:

    “We cannot rule out re-imposing economic and social restrictions at a local or regional level if evidence suggests they are necessary to contain or suppress a variant which escapes the vaccine.”

    Bolton regional restrictions nailed on Mon 17 May

    Happy Days again GRRRRRRR
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,169
    I've been generally in favour of lockdowns, but there's simply no point any more. People can simply head out less until they're vaccinated which won't be too long for well anyone over 30, and I doubt many 20 - 30s are bothered about catching Covid now anyway.
    The message really should switch to - get vaxxed, live your best life.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,547

    rcs1000 said:

    Best albums of the 1990s... (only picking one per band):

    Radiohead - The Bends
    Nirvana - Nevermind
    Pulp - Different Class
    Blur - Modern Life is Rubbish
    Oasis - Definitely Maybe
    REM - Monster
    Portishead - Dummy
    Leftfield - Leftism
    Moby - Everything is Wrong
    Beastie Boys - Check Your Head
    Pearl Jam - 10

    What am I missing?

    That the 80s was better than the 90s
    The 70s was better than any other decade for music. Or at least a very extended 70s from around 1968 to 1981
    Cool 80s music ends in summer 1981, with The Specials were number one with Ghost Town.

    After that? Not so much. Some great world music in the 80's. And to be fair, Shriekback. (Much of the soundtrack to Manhunter.)
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,541

    rcs1000 said:

    Best albums of the 1990s... (only picking one per band):

    Radiohead - The Bends
    Nirvana - Nevermind
    Pulp - Different Class
    Blur - Modern Life is Rubbish
    Oasis - Definitely Maybe
    REM - Monster
    Portishead - Dummy
    Leftfield - Leftism
    Moby - Everything is Wrong
    Beastie Boys - Check Your Head
    Pearl Jam - 10

    What am I missing?

    That the 80s was better than the 90s
    The 70s was better than any other decade for music. Or at least a very extended 70s from around 1968 to 1981
    Cool 80s music ends in summer 1981, with The Specials were number one with Ghost Town.

    After that? Not so much. Some great world music in the 80's. And to be fair, Shriekback. (Much of the soundtrack to Manhunter.)
    82 and 83 are two of my favourite years for music.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,112
    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Fraser Knight
    @Fraser_Knight
    ·
    1m
    Warning from Health Secretary the government will not hesitate to take further action to get Indian variant under control.

    All positive tests in London are also now going to be prioritised for sequencing to see if they’re a result of a mutation.


    ++++

    Can a Tory, any Tory, please explain the open borders policy?? What the fucking holy fuck was gained by allowing flights from India for an extra three weeks?

    WHAT???

    They seem to have a problem with the idea of immediately closing borders, as if they're afraid of offending people who might not be able to get back to the UK. But stopping new variants from entering the country is surely more important.
    When will they learn that despite the media running the "hard luck" stories, the public are basically we have no sympathy....what were you doing travelling for a wedding or for a social media photoshoot....
    Australia and NZ are absolutely brutal to their citizens abroad. No, you aren't getting back in, No you're stuck. Try and get back in and you face a massive fine and prison

    It is savage and it is massively popular. They have kept out the virus - along with tens of thousands of their own people. I do not understand why a Tory government in the UK is so limitlessly pathetic
    Are you sure?

    https://www.health.gov.au/news/health-alerts/novel-coronavirus-2019-ncov-health-alert/coronavirus-covid-19-restrictions/coronavirus-covid-19-advice-for-international-travellers

    The only people who can travel to Australia are:

    Australian citizens
    permanent residents
    immediate family members
    travellers who have been in New Zealand territory (New Zealand and Tokelau) for at least the 14 days before the date of departure. This does not include the Realm Countries of the Cook Islands and Niue.

    Note: From 1201 am, Monday 3 May 2021, travellers who have been in India in the 14 days prior to departure to Australia will not be permitted entry into Australia before 15 May 2021
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,797

    rcs1000 said:

    Best albums of the 1990s... (only picking one per band):

    Radiohead - The Bends
    Nirvana - Nevermind
    Pulp - Different Class
    Blur - Modern Life is Rubbish
    Oasis - Definitely Maybe
    REM - Monster
    Portishead - Dummy
    Leftfield - Leftism
    Moby - Everything is Wrong
    Beastie Boys - Check Your Head
    Pearl Jam - 10

    What am I missing?

    I already said Meatloaf - Bat Out of Hell II but if you're only counting bands

    Guns N Roses - Use Your Illusion I

    Worth a mention for November Rain and Don't Cry alone.
    Any album with November Rain on it is definitely in the top 3. Probably the best rock video ever.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    rcs1000 said:

    Charles said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Best albums of the 1990s... (only picking one per band):

    Radiohead - The Bends
    Nirvana - Nevermind
    Pulp - Different Class
    Blur - Modern Life is Rubbish
    Oasis - Definitely Maybe
    REM - Monster
    Portishead - Dummy
    Leftfield - Leftism
    Moby - Everything is Wrong
    Beastie Boys - Check Your Head
    Pearl Jam - 10

    What am I missing?

    That the 80s was better than the 90s
    The 70s was better than any other decade for music. Or at least a very extended 70s from around 1968 to 1981
    Whiter Shade of Pale
    Beirut
    The early Queen stuff
    This Beirut?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R781LDKOVJE&ab_channel=LaBlogothèque
    This one

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TuEHvFRjCKg

    The green traffic light, on the wet shiny street, looking like spilled Creme de menthe…

    I asked what has happened to my fifty thousand… she smiled in the back of this very car…
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,966
    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Fraser Knight
    @Fraser_Knight
    ·
    1m
    Warning from Health Secretary the government will not hesitate to take further action to get Indian variant under control.

    All positive tests in London are also now going to be prioritised for sequencing to see if they’re a result of a mutation.


    ++++

    Can a Tory, any Tory, please explain the open borders policy?? What the fucking holy fuck was gained by allowing flights from India for an extra three weeks?

    WHAT???

    They seem to have a problem with the idea of immediately closing borders, as if they're afraid of offending people who might not be able to get back to the UK. But stopping new variants from entering the country is surely more important.
    When will they learn that despite the media running the "hard luck" stories, the public are basically we have no sympathy....what were you doing travelling for a wedding or for a social media photoshoot....
    Australia and NZ are absolutely brutal to their citizens abroad. No, you aren't getting back in, No you're stuck. Try and get back in and you face a massive fine and prison

    It is savage and it is massively popular. They have kept out the virus - along with tens of thousands of their own people. I do not understand why a Tory government in the UK is so limitlessly pathetic
    They were running the "im only allowed out for one bit of exercise a day, its like being in prison" this week... Australia you aren't allowed out period, in fact some accommodation has no natural light, its tough shit, get in there and we will let you out when we say so.
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,125

    Leon said:

    Looks like regional restrictions?


    Aubrey Allegretti
    @breeallegretti
    Stark warning issued by DHSC tonight, in light of India variant’s spread:

    “We cannot rule out re-imposing economic and social restrictions at a local or regional level if evidence suggests they are necessary to contain or suppress a variant which escapes the vaccine.”

    Bolton regional restrictions nailed on Mon 17 May

    Happy Days again GRRRRRRR
    Last few words are key there....

    As this doesn't escape the vaccine, case numbers aren't that important.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,392
    We seem to be having the same kind of night that that German reporter caused way back when. Quite why some of you seem to think we are suddenly back to square one is beyond me. Yes we should be concerned about the Indian variant, and we are, and are taking steps. Maybe we will need more regional or local measures. Right now you can barely find an infected person in the south west, and the vulnerable are protected. Strong evidence of decent protection from one dose remember. I suspect in a few weeks we will look back and laugh at tonight. Hold your nerve.
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,282
    Pulpstar said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Best albums of the 1990s... (only picking one per band):

    Radiohead - The Bends
    Nirvana - Nevermind
    Pulp - Different Class
    Blur - Modern Life is Rubbish
    Oasis - Definitely Maybe
    REM - Monster
    Portishead - Dummy
    Leftfield - Leftism
    Moby - Everything is Wrong
    Beastie Boys - Check Your Head
    Pearl Jam - 10

    What am I missing?

    Depeche Mode - Songs of Faith & Devotion
    Oh yes. Really terrible omission from me.
    Massive Attack / Blue Lines.

    I'll add No Doubt - Tragic Kingdom
    My nominations:

    Boo Radleys - Giant Steps

    and for a lighterood

    Terrorvision - How to Lose Friends and Irritate People
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 9,870
    sighs I seem to be sharing a forum with musical philistines
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,797
    rcs1000 said:

    DavidL said:

    sarissa said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Best albums of the 1990s... (only picking one per band):

    Radiohead - The Bends
    Nirvana - Nevermind
    Pulp - Different Class
    Blur - Modern Life is Rubbish
    Oasis - Definitely Maybe
    REM - Monster
    Portishead - Dummy
    Leftfield - Leftism
    Moby - Everything is Wrong
    Beastie Boys - Check Your Head
    Pearl Jam - 10

    What am I missing?

    Ian McNabb - Head Like a Rock
    Out of time for me is way better than monster but it is distinguishing in levels of excellence.
    Out of Time contains one of the worst songs in existence, a mawkish, sentimental & generally shit track known as Everybody Hurts (If they have to listen to this song).

    Everybody Hurts is so bad, it could have been written by Coldplay.
    Actually I love everybody hurts but it is not on that album. And Coldplay always have Yellow.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,392
    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    DavidL said:

    sarissa said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Best albums of the 1990s... (only picking one per band):

    Radiohead - The Bends
    Nirvana - Nevermind
    Pulp - Different Class
    Blur - Modern Life is Rubbish
    Oasis - Definitely Maybe
    REM - Monster
    Portishead - Dummy
    Leftfield - Leftism
    Moby - Everything is Wrong
    Beastie Boys - Check Your Head
    Pearl Jam - 10

    What am I missing?

    Ian McNabb - Head Like a Rock
    Out of time for me is way better than monster but it is distinguishing in levels of excellence.
    Out of Time contains one of the worst songs in existence, a mawkish, sentimental & generally shit track known as Everybody Hurts (If they have to listen to this song).

    Everybody Hurts is so bad, it could have been written by Coldplay.
    Point of Order: Everybody Hurts is not on Out of Time.
    Shit. You're right. It's Automatic for the People
    OOT is an excellent album.
    Loved it at the time, but not my go to now for rem. Probably would be a mix tape from the early albums.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,688
    Andy_JS said:

    Huge increase in cases as this map shows. Surely pubs will have to remain closed in the hotspot areas.

    https://covid.joinzoe.com/data

    Blimey, what's happening in Doncaster?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,231
    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Fraser Knight
    @Fraser_Knight
    ·
    1m
    Warning from Health Secretary the government will not hesitate to take further action to get Indian variant under control.

    All positive tests in London are also now going to be prioritised for sequencing to see if they’re a result of a mutation.


    ++++

    Can a Tory, any Tory, please explain the open borders policy?? What the fucking holy fuck was gained by allowing flights from India for an extra three weeks?

    WHAT???

    They seem to have a problem with the idea of immediately closing borders, as if they're afraid of offending people who might not be able to get back to the UK. But stopping new variants from entering the country is surely more important.
    When will they learn that despite the media running the "hard luck" stories, the public are basically we have no sympathy....what were you doing travelling for a wedding or for a social media photoshoot....
    Australia and NZ are absolutely brutal to their citizens abroad. No, you aren't getting back in, No you're stuck. Try and get back in and you face a massive fine and prison

    It is savage and it is massively popular. They have kept out the virus - along with tens of thousands of their own people. I do not understand why a Tory government in the UK is so limitlessly pathetic
    Are you sure?

    https://www.health.gov.au/news/health-alerts/novel-coronavirus-2019-ncov-health-alert/coronavirus-covid-19-restrictions/coronavirus-covid-19-advice-for-international-travellers

    The only people who can travel to Australia are:

    Australian citizens
    permanent residents
    immediate family members
    travellers who have been in New Zealand territory (New Zealand and Tokelau) for at least the 14 days before the date of departure. This does not include the Realm Countries of the Cook Islands and Niue.

    Note: From 1201 am, Monday 3 May 2021, travellers who have been in India in the 14 days prior to departure to Australia will not be permitted entry into Australia before 15 May 2021
    I should have been more precise. They enforce a real hotel quarantine

    And they are super tough on the hard cases - like India

    "Australians stuck overseas 'abandoned' by their own country

    "On Saturday, Australia also announced it would jail anyone who attempts to return from India. For people like Mr Sharma, trying to get home is now a criminal act - punishable by five years jail or an A$66,000 (£36,800; $51,000) fine.

    It's just the latest hardline action taken by the government to keep the virus out of the country. Australia has enjoyed near zero- infection rates and recorded just 910 deaths - far fewer than most other nations.

    It attributes its virus success to its strict border controls and quarantine measures. But these have also locked out thousands of Australians from returning home over the course of the pandemic."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-56924188
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,112
    DavidL said:

    rcs1000 said:

    DavidL said:

    sarissa said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Best albums of the 1990s... (only picking one per band):

    Radiohead - The Bends
    Nirvana - Nevermind
    Pulp - Different Class
    Blur - Modern Life is Rubbish
    Oasis - Definitely Maybe
    REM - Monster
    Portishead - Dummy
    Leftfield - Leftism
    Moby - Everything is Wrong
    Beastie Boys - Check Your Head
    Pearl Jam - 10

    What am I missing?

    Ian McNabb - Head Like a Rock
    Out of time for me is way better than monster but it is distinguishing in levels of excellence.
    Out of Time contains one of the worst songs in existence, a mawkish, sentimental & generally shit track known as Everybody Hurts (If they have to listen to this song).

    Everybody Hurts is so bad, it could have been written by Coldplay.
    Actually I love everybody hurts but it is not on that album. And Coldplay always have Yellow.
    Oh, Coldplay has Yellow, and A Rush of Blood to the Head wasn't bad at all.

    *However* pretty much everything else is dirge.
  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,639
    Pagan2 said:

    sighs I seem to be sharing a forum with musical philistines

    Are you missing the references to 'Haysi Fantaysi' (approx spelling) as I know you rate them on the same level as Pet Shop Boys as per your previous posts?
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,479
    Foxy said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Best albums of the 1990s... (only picking one per band):

    Radiohead - The Bends
    Nirvana - Nevermind
    Pulp - Different Class
    Blur - Modern Life is Rubbish
    Oasis - Definitely Maybe
    REM - Monster
    Portishead - Dummy
    Leftfield - Leftism
    Moby - Everything is Wrong
    Beastie Boys - Check Your Head
    Pearl Jam - 10

    What am I missing?

    Depeche Mode - Songs of Faith & Devotion
    Oh yes. Really terrible omission from me.
    Massive Attack / Blue Lines.

    Protection by Massive Attack too.
    Excellent album but Blue Lines has the edge. Given the hysteria on here tonight I’m going to blast Hymn of the Big Wheel out right now...
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    I mentioned Exile of Coldharbour Lane by Alabama 3. I am officially 1000% cooler than the lot of you
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,169
    One upside of switching to Moderna/Pfizer for u 40s is we can now switch to a minimum 3 week 1st/2nd dose program. Well that's what I'm on, getting 2nd jab tommorow 22 days after 1st.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,812
    Andy_JS said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Best albums of the 1990s... (only picking one per band):

    Radiohead - The Bends
    Nirvana - Nevermind
    Pulp - Different Class
    Blur - Modern Life is Rubbish
    Oasis - Definitely Maybe
    REM - Monster
    Portishead - Dummy
    Leftfield - Leftism
    Moby - Everything is Wrong
    Beastie Boys - Check Your Head
    Pearl Jam - 10

    What am I missing?

    That the 80s was better than the 90s
    The 70s was better than any other decade for music. Or at least a very extended 70s from around 1968 to 1981
    Cool 80s music ends in summer 1981, with The Specials were number one with Ghost Town.

    After that? Not so much. Some great world music in the 80's. And to be fair, Shriekback. (Much of the soundtrack to Manhunter.)
    82 and 83 are two of my favourite years for music.
    84 and 85 for me!
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,112
    DavidL said:

    rcs1000 said:

    DavidL said:

    sarissa said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Best albums of the 1990s... (only picking one per band):

    Radiohead - The Bends
    Nirvana - Nevermind
    Pulp - Different Class
    Blur - Modern Life is Rubbish
    Oasis - Definitely Maybe
    REM - Monster
    Portishead - Dummy
    Leftfield - Leftism
    Moby - Everything is Wrong
    Beastie Boys - Check Your Head
    Pearl Jam - 10

    What am I missing?

    Ian McNabb - Head Like a Rock
    Out of time for me is way better than monster but it is distinguishing in levels of excellence.
    Out of Time contains one of the worst songs in existence, a mawkish, sentimental & generally shit track known as Everybody Hurts (If they have to listen to this song).

    Everybody Hurts is so bad, it could have been written by Coldplay.
    Actually I love everybody hurts but it is not on that album. And Coldplay always have Yellow.
    Mawkish. Sentimental. Musically dreary.

    It's like they sat around and said "Oh, if we're to be taken seriously, we need to do something slow and sad. Nah, doesn't matter if there's no musical complexity in there. Just slow and sad."
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,392
    Andy_JS said:

    Huge increase in cases as this map shows. Surely pubs will have to remain closed in the hotspot areas.

    https://covid.joinzoe.com/data

    Or just keep the school kids out?
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,208
    edited May 2021
    Aside from having having the most dynamic and relatable leadership of the German parties, the Greens also appear to be the most focused, competent and motivated as a party. I think they may do very well in the next election.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,112
    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Fraser Knight
    @Fraser_Knight
    ·
    1m
    Warning from Health Secretary the government will not hesitate to take further action to get Indian variant under control.

    All positive tests in London are also now going to be prioritised for sequencing to see if they’re a result of a mutation.


    ++++

    Can a Tory, any Tory, please explain the open borders policy?? What the fucking holy fuck was gained by allowing flights from India for an extra three weeks?

    WHAT???

    They seem to have a problem with the idea of immediately closing borders, as if they're afraid of offending people who might not be able to get back to the UK. But stopping new variants from entering the country is surely more important.
    When will they learn that despite the media running the "hard luck" stories, the public are basically we have no sympathy....what were you doing travelling for a wedding or for a social media photoshoot....
    Australia and NZ are absolutely brutal to their citizens abroad. No, you aren't getting back in, No you're stuck. Try and get back in and you face a massive fine and prison

    It is savage and it is massively popular. They have kept out the virus - along with tens of thousands of their own people. I do not understand why a Tory government in the UK is so limitlessly pathetic
    Are you sure?

    https://www.health.gov.au/news/health-alerts/novel-coronavirus-2019-ncov-health-alert/coronavirus-covid-19-restrictions/coronavirus-covid-19-advice-for-international-travellers

    The only people who can travel to Australia are:

    Australian citizens
    permanent residents
    immediate family members
    travellers who have been in New Zealand territory (New Zealand and Tokelau) for at least the 14 days before the date of departure. This does not include the Realm Countries of the Cook Islands and Niue.

    Note: From 1201 am, Monday 3 May 2021, travellers who have been in India in the 14 days prior to departure to Australia will not be permitted entry into Australia before 15 May 2021
    I should have been more precise. They enforce a real hotel quarantine

    And they are super tough on the hard cases - like India

    "Australians stuck overseas 'abandoned' by their own country

    "On Saturday, Australia also announced it would jail anyone who attempts to return from India. For people like Mr Sharma, trying to get home is now a criminal act - punishable by five years jail or an A$66,000 (£36,800; $51,000) fine.

    It's just the latest hardline action taken by the government to keep the virus out of the country. Australia has enjoyed near zero- infection rates and recorded just 910 deaths - far fewer than most other nations.

    It attributes its virus success to its strict border controls and quarantine measures. But these have also locked out thousands of Australians from returning home over the course of the pandemic."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-56924188
    You wrote "Australia and NZ are absolutely brutal to their citizens abroad. No, you aren't getting back in, No you're stuck."

    So you can understand my confusion.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,231
    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Fraser Knight
    @Fraser_Knight
    ·
    1m
    Warning from Health Secretary the government will not hesitate to take further action to get Indian variant under control.

    All positive tests in London are also now going to be prioritised for sequencing to see if they’re a result of a mutation.


    ++++

    Can a Tory, any Tory, please explain the open borders policy?? What the fucking holy fuck was gained by allowing flights from India for an extra three weeks?

    WHAT???

    They seem to have a problem with the idea of immediately closing borders, as if they're afraid of offending people who might not be able to get back to the UK. But stopping new variants from entering the country is surely more important.
    When will they learn that despite the media running the "hard luck" stories, the public are basically we have no sympathy....what were you doing travelling for a wedding or for a social media photoshoot....
    Australia and NZ are absolutely brutal to their citizens abroad. No, you aren't getting back in, No you're stuck. Try and get back in and you face a massive fine and prison

    It is savage and it is massively popular. They have kept out the virus - along with tens of thousands of their own people. I do not understand why a Tory government in the UK is so limitlessly pathetic
    Are you sure?

    https://www.health.gov.au/news/health-alerts/novel-coronavirus-2019-ncov-health-alert/coronavirus-covid-19-restrictions/coronavirus-covid-19-advice-for-international-travellers

    The only people who can travel to Australia are:

    Australian citizens
    permanent residents
    immediate family members
    travellers who have been in New Zealand territory (New Zealand and Tokelau) for at least the 14 days before the date of departure. This does not include the Realm Countries of the Cook Islands and Niue.

    Note: From 1201 am, Monday 3 May 2021, travellers who have been in India in the 14 days prior to departure to Australia will not be permitted entry into Australia before 15 May 2021
    I should have been more precise. They enforce a real hotel quarantine

    And they are super tough on the hard cases - like India

    "Australians stuck overseas 'abandoned' by their own country

    "On Saturday, Australia also announced it would jail anyone who attempts to return from India. For people like Mr Sharma, trying to get home is now a criminal act - punishable by five years jail or an A$66,000 (£36,800; $51,000) fine.

    It's just the latest hardline action taken by the government to keep the virus out of the country. Australia has enjoyed near zero- infection rates and recorded just 910 deaths - far fewer than most other nations.

    It attributes its virus success to its strict border controls and quarantine measures. But these have also locked out thousands of Australians from returning home over the course of the pandemic."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-56924188
    You wrote "Australia and NZ are absolutely brutal to their citizens abroad. No, you aren't getting back in, No you're stuck."

    So you can understand my confusion.
    Yes, whatever, go back to talking about Coldplay
  • TimTTimT Posts: 6,468
    Interestingly, given Chris' rant about AZN being ineffective against the Saffer strain because of the results of Phase III or that suspect trial, I just heard the head of the CDC state that all the vaccines are extremely effective against all the strains of COVID examined. She specifically mentioned Kent, Brazilian and Saffer strains.

    FWIW, the new CDC guidance is that, if you are fully vaccinated, you no longer have to wear mask in supermarkets etc... unless otherwise mandated by your State, county or municipality (given community variations in infection rates etc...)
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 9,870

    Pagan2 said:

    sighs I seem to be sharing a forum with musical philistines

    Are you missing the references to 'Haysi Fantaysi' (approx spelling) as I know you rate them on the same level as Pet Shop Boys as per your previous posts?
    Gods I had forgotten about them fortunately but at least they were better than the bin bag girls....toto coelo or something
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,812
    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Best albums of the 1990s... (only picking one per band):

    Radiohead - The Bends
    Nirvana - Nevermind
    Pulp - Different Class
    Blur - Modern Life is Rubbish
    Oasis - Definitely Maybe
    REM - Monster
    Portishead - Dummy
    Leftfield - Leftism
    Moby - Everything is Wrong
    Beastie Boys - Check Your Head
    Pearl Jam - 10

    What am I missing?

    Depeche Mode - Songs of Faith & Devotion
    Oh yes. Really terrible omission from me.
    Especially when it's on your avatar! Second row, right-hand side!
  • moonshinemoonshine Posts: 5,747
    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Fraser Knight
    @Fraser_Knight
    ·
    1m
    Warning from Health Secretary the government will not hesitate to take further action to get Indian variant under control.

    All positive tests in London are also now going to be prioritised for sequencing to see if they’re a result of a mutation.


    ++++

    Can a Tory, any Tory, please explain the open borders policy?? What the fucking holy fuck was gained by allowing flights from India for an extra three weeks?

    WHAT???

    They seem to have a problem with the idea of immediately closing borders, as if they're afraid of offending people who might not be able to get back to the UK. But stopping new variants from entering the country is surely more important.
    When will they learn that despite the media running the "hard luck" stories, the public are basically we have no sympathy....what were you doing travelling for a wedding or for a social media photoshoot....
    Australia and NZ are absolutely brutal to their citizens abroad. No, you aren't getting back in, No you're stuck. Try and get back in and you face
    a massive fine and prison

    It is savage and it is massively popular. They have kept out the virus - along with tens of thousands of their own people. I do not understand why a Tory government in the UK is so limitlessly pathetic
    Australia has treated its own citizens abominably. And it has ballsed up vaccine procurement. It’s in serious danger of becoming an economic & cultural bubble.

    Worry not about cases Leon, who cares if they don’t lead to illness? Wu-flu was a novel virus, which is why the world had its pants pulled down. Indian covid is not a novel virus but a variant of a virus that we’re fast headed to having 90% of immune systems trained to respond to.

    It’ll be fine. If unlockdown is delayed I’ll be asking my mp to write a letter, not because of border policy but an inability to distinguish prevalence of a virus from illness.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,112
    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Fraser Knight
    @Fraser_Knight
    ·
    1m
    Warning from Health Secretary the government will not hesitate to take further action to get Indian variant under control.

    All positive tests in London are also now going to be prioritised for sequencing to see if they’re a result of a mutation.


    ++++

    Can a Tory, any Tory, please explain the open borders policy?? What the fucking holy fuck was gained by allowing flights from India for an extra three weeks?

    WHAT???

    They seem to have a problem with the idea of immediately closing borders, as if they're afraid of offending people who might not be able to get back to the UK. But stopping new variants from entering the country is surely more important.
    When will they learn that despite the media running the "hard luck" stories, the public are basically we have no sympathy....what were you doing travelling for a wedding or for a social media photoshoot....
    Australia and NZ are absolutely brutal to their citizens abroad. No, you aren't getting back in, No you're stuck. Try and get back in and you face a massive fine and prison

    It is savage and it is massively popular. They have kept out the virus - along with tens of thousands of their own people. I do not understand why a Tory government in the UK is so limitlessly pathetic
    Are you sure?

    https://www.health.gov.au/news/health-alerts/novel-coronavirus-2019-ncov-health-alert/coronavirus-covid-19-restrictions/coronavirus-covid-19-advice-for-international-travellers

    The only people who can travel to Australia are:

    Australian citizens
    permanent residents
    immediate family members
    travellers who have been in New Zealand territory (New Zealand and Tokelau) for at least the 14 days before the date of departure. This does not include the Realm Countries of the Cook Islands and Niue.

    Note: From 1201 am, Monday 3 May 2021, travellers who have been in India in the 14 days prior to departure to Australia will not be permitted entry into Australia before 15 May 2021
    I should have been more precise. They enforce a real hotel quarantine

    And they are super tough on the hard cases - like India

    "Australians stuck overseas 'abandoned' by their own country

    "On Saturday, Australia also announced it would jail anyone who attempts to return from India. For people like Mr Sharma, trying to get home is now a criminal act - punishable by five years jail or an A$66,000 (£36,800; $51,000) fine.

    It's just the latest hardline action taken by the government to keep the virus out of the country. Australia has enjoyed near zero- infection rates and recorded just 910 deaths - far fewer than most other nations.

    It attributes its virus success to its strict border controls and quarantine measures. But these have also locked out thousands of Australians from returning home over the course of the pandemic."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-56924188
    You wrote "Australia and NZ are absolutely brutal to their citizens abroad. No, you aren't getting back in, No you're stuck."

    So you can understand my confusion.
    Yes, whatever, go back to talking about Coldplay
    Thank you for being so gracious.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,615

    Andy_JS said:

    Huge increase in cases as this map shows. Surely pubs will have to remain closed in the hotspot areas.

    https://covid.joinzoe.com/data

    Blimey, what's happening in Doncaster?
    This is a good graphic for variants. The animation wakes up in April.

    https://covid19.sanger.ac.uk/lineages/raw?lineage=B.1.617.2&show=B.1.351,B.1.525,B.1.617,B.1.617.2,P.1,other,B.1.1.7,B.1.177,B&view=map&colorBy=lambda&scale=quadratic
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,705

    Andy_JS said:

    Huge increase in cases as this map shows. Surely pubs will have to remain closed in the hotspot areas.

    https://covid.joinzoe.com/data

    Or just keep the school kids out?
    Seems harsh, they like a pint too. Or something.
  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,639
    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    sighs I seem to be sharing a forum with musical philistines

    Are you missing the references to 'Haysi Fantaysi' (approx spelling) as I know you rate them on the same level as Pet Shop Boys as per your previous posts?
    Gods I had forgotten about them fortunately but at least they were better than the bin bag girls....toto coelo or something
    Yes you did mention toto coelo in the same post - let's not reprise this.

  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,479
    The Indian variant isn’t vaccine resistant. So surge vax in the high prevalence areas and move on.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,585

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Fraser Knight
    @Fraser_Knight
    ·
    1m
    Warning from Health Secretary the government will not hesitate to take further action to get Indian variant under control.

    All positive tests in London are also now going to be prioritised for sequencing to see if they’re a result of a mutation.


    ++++

    Can a Tory, any Tory, please explain the open borders policy?? What the fucking holy fuck was gained by allowing flights from India for an extra three weeks?

    WHAT???

    They seem to have a problem with the idea of immediately closing borders, as if they're afraid of offending people who might not be able to get back to the UK. But stopping new variants from entering the country is surely more important.
    Johnson should fall as @Leon says if he has allowed our vaccine 'miracle' to be completely wrecked by his open borders policy. I mean India was open still only what two weeks ago? Madness.
    There are people who would let any variant into the country as long as they could leave 10C London for a 25C holiday.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,098
    Foxy said:

    isam said:

    Mortimer said:

    No thread on best albums of the 1990s ?

    My very first gig was Blur, at the BIC, in December 2003.

    They didn't do another one for over five years.

    I really did think I was born too late....
    I had tickets for Blur at Mile End Park and Oasis at Earl’s Court in 95 & didn’t end up seeing either. A great time to be a teenager/early 20s if you like Beer, football and Guitar bands

    But my fav album of the 90s by far was Nirvana’s Nevermind.

    I did see Oasis at Knebworth, blur & Weller at Chelmsford and Black Grape at Brixton though, but the two I missed were quite legendary concerts I think.
    Without question. Nevermind changed music.
    And clothes. That Kurt Cobain 'don't care' double cardigan look.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,688
    Mortimer said:

    Leon said:

    Looks like regional restrictions?


    Aubrey Allegretti
    @breeallegretti
    Stark warning issued by DHSC tonight, in light of India variant’s spread:

    “We cannot rule out re-imposing economic and social restrictions at a local or regional level if evidence suggests they are necessary to contain or suppress a variant which escapes the vaccine.”

    Bolton regional restrictions nailed on Mon 17 May

    Happy Days again GRRRRRRR
    Last few words are key there....

    As this doesn't escape the vaccine, case numbers aren't that important.
    Well, sort of. The problem is that some on SAGE seem to think case numbers are very important and start waving around Warwick's latest model which iirc shows heaps of dead a week in high summer on their worst case from a variant that has more transmission than Kent.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,615
    edited May 2021
    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Fraser Knight
    @Fraser_Knight
    ·
    1m
    Warning from Health Secretary the government will not hesitate to take further action to get Indian variant under control.

    All positive tests in London are also now going to be prioritised for sequencing to see if they’re a result of a mutation.


    ++++

    Can a Tory, any Tory, please explain the open borders policy?? What the fucking holy fuck was gained by allowing flights from India for an extra three weeks?

    WHAT???

    They seem to have a problem with the idea of immediately closing borders, as if they're afraid of offending people who might not be able to get back to the UK. But stopping new variants from entering the country is surely more important.
    When will they learn that despite the media running the "hard luck" stories, the public are basically we have no sympathy....what were you doing travelling for a wedding or for a social media photoshoot....
    Australia and NZ are absolutely brutal to their citizens abroad. No, you aren't getting back in, No you're stuck. Try and get back in and you face a massive fine and prison

    It is savage and it is massively popular. They have kept out the virus - along with tens of thousands of their own people. I do not understand why a Tory government in the UK is so limitlessly pathetic
    Are you sure?

    https://www.health.gov.au/news/health-alerts/novel-coronavirus-2019-ncov-health-alert/coronavirus-covid-19-restrictions/coronavirus-covid-19-advice-for-international-travellers

    The only people who can travel to Australia are:

    Australian citizens
    permanent residents
    immediate family members
    travellers who have been in New Zealand territory (New Zealand and Tokelau) for at least the 14 days before the date of departure. This does not include the Realm Countries of the Cook Islands and Niue.

    Note: From 1201 am, Monday 3 May 2021, travellers who have been in India in the 14 days prior to departure to Australia will not be permitted entry into Australia before 15 May 2021
    I should have been more precise. They enforce a real hotel quarantine

    And they are super tough on the hard cases - like India

    "Australians stuck overseas 'abandoned' by their own country

    "On Saturday, Australia also announced it would jail anyone who attempts to return from India. For people like Mr Sharma, trying to get home is now a criminal act - punishable by five years jail or an A$66,000 (£36,800; $51,000) fine.

    It's just the latest hardline action taken by the government to keep the virus out of the country. Australia has enjoyed near zero- infection rates and recorded just 910 deaths - far fewer than most other nations.

    It attributes its virus success to its strict border controls and quarantine measures. But these have also locked out thousands of Australians from returning home over the course of the pandemic."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-56924188
    You wrote "Australia and NZ are absolutely brutal to their citizens abroad. No, you aren't getting back in, No you're stuck."

    So you can understand my confusion.
    Yes, whatever, go back to talking about Coldplay
    Well, listening to music is one of the pleasures of lockdown. 😷

    Though not Coldplay, obviously.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,591
    Alyn Smith has asked to speak to the manager.

    My call earlier to Israeli Embassy on current events in Israel and Palestine. We need to de-escalate tensions now in all areas. @theSNP stands foresquare for a just peace based on the rule of law.

    image

    https://twitter.com/alynsmith/status/1392520642705100811
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,585

    Andy_JS said:

    Huge increase in cases as this map shows. Surely pubs will have to remain closed in the hotspot areas.

    https://covid.joinzoe.com/data

    Blimey, what's happening in Doncaster?
    Whatever it is it isn't getting picked up my actual tests.

    https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/cases?areaType=ltla&areaName=Doncaster
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,231
    moonshine said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Fraser Knight
    @Fraser_Knight
    ·
    1m
    Warning from Health Secretary the government will not hesitate to take further action to get Indian variant under control.

    All positive tests in London are also now going to be prioritised for sequencing to see if they’re a result of a mutation.


    ++++

    Can a Tory, any Tory, please explain the open borders policy?? What the fucking holy fuck was gained by allowing flights from India for an extra three weeks?

    WHAT???

    They seem to have a problem with the idea of immediately closing borders, as if they're afraid of offending people who might not be able to get back to the UK. But stopping new variants from entering the country is surely more important.
    When will they learn that despite the media running the "hard luck" stories, the public are basically we have no sympathy....what were you doing travelling for a wedding or for a social media photoshoot....
    Australia and NZ are absolutely brutal to their citizens abroad. No, you aren't getting back in, No you're stuck. Try and get back in and you face
    a massive fine and prison

    It is savage and it is massively popular. They have kept out the virus - along with tens of thousands of their own people. I do not understand why a Tory government in the UK is so limitlessly pathetic
    Australia has treated its own citizens abominably. And it has ballsed up vaccine procurement. It’s in serious danger of becoming an economic & cultural bubble.

    Worry not about cases Leon, who cares if they don’t lead to illness? Wu-flu was a novel virus, which is why the world had its pants pulled down. Indian covid is not a novel virus but a variant of a virus that we’re fast headed to having 90% of immune systems trained to respond to.

    It’ll be fine. If unlockdown is delayed I’ll be asking my mp to write a letter, not because of border policy but an inability to distinguish prevalence of a virus from illness.
    Sure, I agree with most of that

    Problem is we still have enough people unvaxxed - the young, the refuseniks - such that, if a new variant ran riot, it would really impact the NHS, and kill - I dunno - another 20,000? 50,000?

    These are not small things. We would lock down again for sure if hundreds were dying every day. The social psychology would ensure this

    We approach a moment when we might have to make the jab mandatory. Or at least engineer a situation where you can't do ANYTHING without a jab


  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,392
    TimT said:

    Interestingly, given Chris' rant about AZN being ineffective against the Saffer strain because of the results of Phase III or that suspect trial, I just heard the head of the CDC state that all the vaccines are extremely effective against all the strains of COVID examined. She specifically mentioned Kent, Brazilian and Saffer strains.

    FWIW, the new CDC guidance is that, if you are fully vaccinated, you no longer have to wear mask in supermarkets etc... unless otherwise mandated by your State, county or municipality (given community variations in infection rates etc...)

    Chris will ignore that. Doesn’t match what he knows is true.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,508
    Charles said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Best albums of the 1990s... (only picking one per band):

    Radiohead - The Bends
    Nirvana - Nevermind
    Pulp - Different Class
    Blur - Modern Life is Rubbish
    Oasis - Definitely Maybe
    REM - Monster
    Portishead - Dummy
    Leftfield - Leftism
    Moby - Everything is Wrong
    Beastie Boys - Check Your Head
    Pearl Jam - 10

    What am I missing?

    That the 80s was better than the 90s
    The 70s was better than any other decade for music. Or at least a very extended 70s from around 1968 to 1981
    Whiter Shade of Pale
    Beirut
    The early Queen stuff
    Rolling Stones at their peak
    Ry Cooder
    Little Feat
    Lynyrd Skynyrd
    Roxy Music
    Early Dire Straits
    Early Talking Heads
    Jethro Tull
    Fleetwood Mac

    I could list 50 more amazing bands from that period. No other decade has come close.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,479
    Massive/Hymn of the Big Wheel

    just given way to Lamb/Gorecki on the Anabob HiFi.
  • dodradedodrade Posts: 597

    rcs1000 said:

    Best albums of the 1990s... (only picking one per band):

    Radiohead - The Bends
    Nirvana - Nevermind
    Pulp - Different Class
    Blur - Modern Life is Rubbish
    Oasis - Definitely Maybe
    REM - Monster
    Portishead - Dummy
    Leftfield - Leftism
    Moby - Everything is Wrong
    Beastie Boys - Check Your Head
    Pearl Jam - 10

    What am I missing?

    Depeche Mode - Songs of Faith & Devotion
    Instead of Violator, really?
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,392

    Andy_JS said:

    Huge increase in cases as this map shows. Surely pubs will have to remain closed in the hotspot areas.

    https://covid.joinzoe.com/data

    Or just keep the school kids out?
    Seems harsh, they like a pint too. Or something.
    It’s where a lot of the cases are.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,966
    Foxy said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Fraser Knight
    @Fraser_Knight
    ·
    1m
    Warning from Health Secretary the government will not hesitate to take further action to get Indian variant under control.

    All positive tests in London are also now going to be prioritised for sequencing to see if they’re a result of a mutation.


    ++++

    Can a Tory, any Tory, please explain the open borders policy?? What the fucking holy fuck was gained by allowing flights from India for an extra three weeks?

    WHAT???

    They seem to have a problem with the idea of immediately closing borders, as if they're afraid of offending people who might not be able to get back to the UK. But stopping new variants from entering the country is surely more important.
    When will they learn that despite the media running the "hard luck" stories, the public are basically we have no sympathy....what were you doing travelling for a wedding or for a social media photoshoot....
    Australia and NZ are absolutely brutal to their citizens abroad. No, you aren't getting back in, No you're stuck. Try and get back in and you face a massive fine and prison

    It is savage and it is massively popular. They have kept out the virus - along with tens of thousands of their own people. I do not understand why a Tory government in the UK is so limitlessly pathetic
    Are you sure?

    https://www.health.gov.au/news/health-alerts/novel-coronavirus-2019-ncov-health-alert/coronavirus-covid-19-restrictions/coronavirus-covid-19-advice-for-international-travellers

    The only people who can travel to Australia are:

    Australian citizens
    permanent residents
    immediate family members
    travellers who have been in New Zealand territory (New Zealand and Tokelau) for at least the 14 days before the date of departure. This does not include the Realm Countries of the Cook Islands and Niue.

    Note: From 1201 am, Monday 3 May 2021, travellers who have been in India in the 14 days prior to departure to Australia will not be permitted entry into Australia before 15 May 2021
    I should have been more precise. They enforce a real hotel quarantine

    And they are super tough on the hard cases - like India

    "Australians stuck overseas 'abandoned' by their own country

    "On Saturday, Australia also announced it would jail anyone who attempts to return from India. For people like Mr Sharma, trying to get home is now a criminal act - punishable by five years jail or an A$66,000 (£36,800; $51,000) fine.

    It's just the latest hardline action taken by the government to keep the virus out of the country. Australia has enjoyed near zero- infection rates and recorded just 910 deaths - far fewer than most other nations.

    It attributes its virus success to its strict border controls and quarantine measures. But these have also locked out thousands of Australians from returning home over the course of the pandemic."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-56924188
    You wrote "Australia and NZ are absolutely brutal to their citizens abroad. No, you aren't getting back in, No you're stuck."

    So you can understand my confusion.
    Yes, whatever, go back to talking about Coldplay
    Well, listening to music is one of the pleasures of lockdown. 😷

    Though not Coldplay, obviously.
    Pleasure, music....you obviously kept clear of Radiohead as well.
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,125

    Massive/Hymn of the Big Wheel

    just given way to Lamb/Gorecki on the Anabob HiFi.

    Spotify Radio? That was on my list too....
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,585
    Wasn't there supposed to be the Airdrie byelection today ?

    If so this must be the most unbyelectie night ever on PB.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,479
    Yeah, Gorecki is a class track
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,812
    dodrade said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Best albums of the 1990s... (only picking one per band):

    Radiohead - The Bends
    Nirvana - Nevermind
    Pulp - Different Class
    Blur - Modern Life is Rubbish
    Oasis - Definitely Maybe
    REM - Monster
    Portishead - Dummy
    Leftfield - Leftism
    Moby - Everything is Wrong
    Beastie Boys - Check Your Head
    Pearl Jam - 10

    What am I missing?

    Depeche Mode - Songs of Faith & Devotion
    Instead of Violator, really?
    Oh, yeah! That was 1990! But Personal Jesus was released as a single in 1989. So it's kind of straddling the decade boundary.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,541

    Wasn't there supposed to be the Airdrie byelection today ?

    If so this must be the most unbyelectie night ever on PB.

    I keep trying to talk about it. A Labour win isn't completely impossible.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,169

    The Indian variant isn’t vaccine resistant. So surge vax in the high prevalence areas and move on.

    Yeah it's just more transmissible. Which makes sense, Covid variants are so widespread and constantly evolving the highest transmission ones will always win out - don't forget most of the world isn't vaxxed right now.

    Basically it means you just need a higher rate of vaccination/prior infection to achieve herd immunity, we're one of the few large countries in the world that's going to hit anything like what's needed. But we're getting there, and very fast compared to other nations.
    One thing, it's going to be rough to be an antivaxxer with this new strain - the refuseniks in their 60s + around Bolton are probably fucked.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,392

    Andy_JS said:

    Huge increase in cases as this map shows. Surely pubs will have to remain closed in the hotspot areas.

    https://covid.joinzoe.com/data

    Blimey, what's happening in Doncaster?
    Whatever it is it isn't getting picked up my actual tests.

    https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/cases?areaType=ltla&areaName=Doncaster
    Don’t forget Zoe is self reported on symptoms, with some confirmation from testing. May be ahead of the game, maybe not.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,169

    Wasn't there supposed to be the Airdrie byelection today ?

    If so this must be the most unbyelectie night ever on PB.

    Labour's going to get walloped, same as every other recent election outwith some sort of local champ like Andy Burnham ? :D
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,615

    Foxy said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Fraser Knight
    @Fraser_Knight
    ·
    1m
    Warning from Health Secretary the government will not hesitate to take further action to get Indian variant under control.

    All positive tests in London are also now going to be prioritised for sequencing to see if they’re a result of a mutation.


    ++++

    Can a Tory, any Tory, please explain the open borders policy?? What the fucking holy fuck was gained by allowing flights from India for an extra three weeks?

    WHAT???

    They seem to have a problem with the idea of immediately closing borders, as if they're afraid of offending people who might not be able to get back to the UK. But stopping new variants from entering the country is surely more important.
    When will they learn that despite the media running the "hard luck" stories, the public are basically we have no sympathy....what were you doing travelling for a wedding or for a social media photoshoot....
    Australia and NZ are absolutely brutal to their citizens abroad. No, you aren't getting back in, No you're stuck. Try and get back in and you face a massive fine and prison

    It is savage and it is massively popular. They have kept out the virus - along with tens of thousands of their own people. I do not understand why a Tory government in the UK is so limitlessly pathetic
    Are you sure?

    https://www.health.gov.au/news/health-alerts/novel-coronavirus-2019-ncov-health-alert/coronavirus-covid-19-restrictions/coronavirus-covid-19-advice-for-international-travellers

    The only people who can travel to Australia are:

    Australian citizens
    permanent residents
    immediate family members
    travellers who have been in New Zealand territory (New Zealand and Tokelau) for at least the 14 days before the date of departure. This does not include the Realm Countries of the Cook Islands and Niue.

    Note: From 1201 am, Monday 3 May 2021, travellers who have been in India in the 14 days prior to departure to Australia will not be permitted entry into Australia before 15 May 2021
    I should have been more precise. They enforce a real hotel quarantine

    And they are super tough on the hard cases - like India

    "Australians stuck overseas 'abandoned' by their own country

    "On Saturday, Australia also announced it would jail anyone who attempts to return from India. For people like Mr Sharma, trying to get home is now a criminal act - punishable by five years jail or an A$66,000 (£36,800; $51,000) fine.

    It's just the latest hardline action taken by the government to keep the virus out of the country. Australia has enjoyed near zero- infection rates and recorded just 910 deaths - far fewer than most other nations.

    It attributes its virus success to its strict border controls and quarantine measures. But these have also locked out thousands of Australians from returning home over the course of the pandemic."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-56924188
    You wrote "Australia and NZ are absolutely brutal to their citizens abroad. No, you aren't getting back in, No you're stuck."

    So you can understand my confusion.
    Yes, whatever, go back to talking about Coldplay
    Well, listening to music is one of the pleasures of lockdown. 😷

    Though not Coldplay, obviously.
    Pleasure, music....you obviously kept clear of Radiohead as well.
    Wary of the ban hammer, but not my cup of tea.
  • moonshinemoonshine Posts: 5,747
    Leon said:

    moonshine said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Fraser Knight
    @Fraser_Knight
    ·
    1m
    Warning from Health Secretary the government will not hesitate to take further action to get Indian variant under control.

    All positive tests in London are also now going to be prioritised for sequencing to see if they’re a result of a mutation.


    ++++

    Can a Tory, any Tory, please explain the open borders policy?? What the fucking holy fuck was gained by allowing flights from India for an extra three weeks?

    WHAT???

    They seem to have a problem with the idea of immediately closing borders, as if they're afraid of offending people who might not be able to get back to the UK. But stopping new variants from entering the country is surely more important.
    When will they learn that despite the media running the "hard luck" stories, the public are basically we have no sympathy....what were you doing travelling for a wedding or for a social media photoshoot....
    Australia and NZ are absolutely brutal to their citizens abroad. No, you aren't getting back in, No you're stuck. Try and get back in and you face
    a massive fine and prison

    It is savage and it is massively popular. They have kept out the virus - along with tens of thousands of their own people. I do not understand why a Tory government in the UK is so limitlessly pathetic
    Australia has treated its own citizens abominably. And it has ballsed up vaccine procurement. It’s in serious danger of becoming an economic & cultural bubble.

    Worry not about cases Leon, who cares if they don’t lead to illness? Wu-flu was a novel virus, which is why the world had its pants pulled down. Indian covid is not a novel virus but a variant of a virus that we’re fast headed to having 90% of immune systems trained to respond to.

    It’ll be fine. If unlockdown is delayed I’ll be asking my mp to write a letter, not because of border policy but an inability to distinguish prevalence of a virus from illness.
    Sure, I agree with most of that

    Problem is we still have enough people unvaxxed - the young, the refuseniks - such that, if a new variant ran riot, it would really impact the NHS, and kill - I dunno - another 20,000? 50,000?

    These are not small things. We would lock down again for sure if hundreds were dying every day. The social psychology would ensure this

    We approach a moment when we might have to make the jab mandatory. Or at least engineer a situation where you can't do ANYTHING without a jab


    I don’t really understand squeamishness about mandatory vaccination given everything else imposed on us in the last year. If any fucker refuses it, you are cast to that rocky island near Ireland where bearded Luke Skywalker lived.

  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,812

    Wasn't there supposed to be the Airdrie byelection today ?

    If so this must be the most unbyelectie night ever on PB.

    My excuse is that I forgot completely until @AndyJS mentioned it earlier in this thread.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,392
    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Fraser Knight
    @Fraser_Knight
    ·
    1m
    Warning from Health Secretary the government will not hesitate to take further action to get Indian variant under control.

    All positive tests in London are also now going to be prioritised for sequencing to see if they’re a result of a mutation.


    ++++

    Can a Tory, any Tory, please explain the open borders policy?? What the fucking holy fuck was gained by allowing flights from India for an extra three weeks?

    WHAT???

    They seem to have a problem with the idea of immediately closing borders, as if they're afraid of offending people who might not be able to get back to the UK. But stopping new variants from entering the country is surely more important.
    When will they learn that despite the media running the "hard luck" stories, the public are basically we have no sympathy....what were you doing travelling for a wedding or for a social media photoshoot....
    Australia and NZ are absolutely brutal to their citizens abroad. No, you aren't getting back in, No you're stuck. Try and get back in and you face a massive fine and prison

    It is savage and it is massively popular. They have kept out the virus - along with tens of thousands of their own people. I do not understand why a Tory government in the UK is so limitlessly pathetic
    Are you sure?

    https://www.health.gov.au/news/health-alerts/novel-coronavirus-2019-ncov-health-alert/coronavirus-covid-19-restrictions/coronavirus-covid-19-advice-for-international-travellers

    The only people who can travel to Australia are:

    Australian citizens
    permanent residents
    immediate family members
    travellers who have been in New Zealand territory (New Zealand and Tokelau) for at least the 14 days before the date of departure. This does not include the Realm Countries of the Cook Islands and Niue.

    Note: From 1201 am, Monday 3 May 2021, travellers who have been in India in the 14 days prior to departure to Australia will not be permitted entry into Australia before 15 May 2021
    I should have been more precise. They enforce a real hotel quarantine

    And they are super tough on the hard cases - like India

    "Australians stuck overseas 'abandoned' by their own country

    "On Saturday, Australia also announced it would jail anyone who attempts to return from India. For people like Mr Sharma, trying to get home is now a criminal act - punishable by five years jail or an A$66,000 (£36,800; $51,000) fine.

    It's just the latest hardline action taken by the government to keep the virus out of the country. Australia has enjoyed near zero- infection rates and recorded just 910 deaths - far fewer than most other nations.

    It attributes its virus success to its strict border controls and quarantine measures. But these have also locked out thousands of Australians from returning home over the course of the pandemic."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-56924188
    You wrote "Australia and NZ are absolutely brutal to their citizens abroad. No, you aren't getting back in, No you're stuck."

    So you can understand my confusion.
    Yes, whatever, go back to talking about Coldplay
    Well, listening to music is one of the pleasures of lockdown. 😷

    Though not Coldplay, obviously.
    Pleasure, music....you obviously kept clear of Radiohead as well.
    Wary of the ban hammer, but not my cup of tea.
    Sailing close to the wind there...
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 8,580
    edited May 2021
    I took my young teenage daughter to see Nik Kershaw at the Hippodrome in Hammersmith in the early 80s. (Won't let the sun go down on me).

    I was sitting about three rows from the front in front of an enormous black box about twenty feet high. It dominated that side of the stage. When the "music" started and the drummer drummed I was hit in the stomach with the volume of sound. It was a loudspeaker. I doubled up and crouched with my raincoat over my head while all these very young teenage girls screamed around me including my daughter. I went to the bar in the interval and stayed there.

    Many years later my daughter took me to a Tina Turner concert and then later to a Stones concert as a thank you.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,231

    Alyn Smith has asked to speak to the manager.

    My call earlier to Israeli Embassy on current events in Israel and Palestine. We need to de-escalate tensions now in all areas. @theSNP stands foresquare for a just peace based on the rule of law.

    image

    https://twitter.com/alynsmith/status/1392520642705100811

    A definite whiff of the Skibereen Eagle, in West Cork, in 1898, "keeping its eye on the Czar of Russia"


    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/judge-warns-tds-his-court-is-not-the-skibbereen-eagle-31020449.html
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,966
    edited May 2021
    Andy_JS said:

    Huge increase in cases as this map shows. Surely pubs will have to remain closed in the hotspot areas.

    https://covid.joinzoe.com/data

    Isn't that just a map of Labour councils ?

    More seriously it is the same long standing problem areas that never seem to really get better for any period of time.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,615
    Andy_JS said:

    Wasn't there supposed to be the Airdrie byelection today ?

    If so this must be the most unbyelectie night ever on PB.

    I keep trying to talk about it. A Labour win isn't completely impossible.
    Are they counting tonight?
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,375
    I saw the Sex Pistols live, their penultimate gig, at West Runton (near Cromer) Village Hall. Christmas Eve, 1977. This is true.

    I remember it well. They were shit.

    By contrast, I saw Bowie in Norwich on his Ziggy Stardust tour, 1972 I think. Bloody marvellous.
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