Why on Earth would anyone vote “Lozza”? I think we can safely ignore Leon’s attempts to pose as a sentient poster.
He'd have been my first choice in London too.
That's fairly disappointing tbh, CR. Lozza has become the worst kind of reactionary right wing rent-a-gob and has been courting anti-vaxxers. He goes well beyond "saying it how it is" and will hopefully come very close to last place.
I don't agree with him on anti-vaxxers and, like Leon says, he's a bit of a dick but I do support his platform of anti-Wokeness and anti-cancel culture; I'd be buggered if I'd vote for Shaun Bailey as my first choice instead - so, it would be him.
Thankfully for you, though, I don't live in London anymore.
Londoners were given a pretty awful set of options.
While we're all focused on Lozza, let us not forget that the actual Labour mayor - the man who will easily win again - has had some concerning links with Islamists.
"The Labour candidate for mayor of London was under pressure last night after it emerged that he complained to MPs about the demonisation of a hardline Islamic cleric.
"Sadiq Khan objected to the treatment of Yusuf al-Qaradawi, who had called for the destruction of Jews and the death penalty for homosexuals.
"Mr Khan, as chairman of legal affairs at the Muslim Council of Britain, gave evidence to the home affairs select committee’s inquiry into community relations in 2004 when he was a Labour councillor in the London borough of Wandsworth."
And yet some third drawer actor like Lozza Fox is the one we should all worry about? Rather than the actual MAYOR?
All candidates have failings. Most politicians are dicks.
We all know this.
And, there's a higher test for politicians who might credibly take office and actually rule our lives over matters of significance compared to those who are minor also-ran candidates with no hope of winning running for posts that only matter at the margins. We use those to make statements. Particularly when the mainstream candidates are so poor and the frontrunner is a shoe in.
Why on Earth would anyone vote “Lozza”? I think we can safely ignore Leon’s attempts to pose as a sentient poster.
He'd have been my first choice in London too.
That's fairly disappointing tbh, CR. Lozza has become the worst kind of reactionary right wing rent-a-gob and has been courting anti-vaxxers. He goes well beyond "saying it how it is" and will hopefully come very close to last place.
I don't agree with him on anti-vaxxers and, like Leon says, he's a bit of a dick but I do support his platform of anti-Wokeness and anti-cancel culture; I'd be buggered if I'd vote for Shaun Bailey as my first choice instead - so, it would be him.
Thankfully for you, though, I don't live in London anymore.
Londoners were given a pretty awful set of options.
While we're all focused on Lozza, let us not forget that the actual Labour mayor - the man who will easily win again - has had some concerning links with Islamists.
"The Labour candidate for mayor of London was under pressure last night after it emerged that he complained to MPs about the demonisation of a hardline Islamic cleric.
"Sadiq Khan objected to the treatment of Yusuf al-Qaradawi, who had called for the destruction of Jews and the death penalty for homosexuals.
"Mr Khan, as chairman of legal affairs at the Muslim Council of Britain, gave evidence to the home affairs select committee’s inquiry into community relations in 2004 when he was a Labour councillor in the London borough of Wandsworth."
FWIW My perception of turnout in Knowsley (mostly) and Liverpool (east of the city) is turnout is really low. The greenies seem to be happy and the Tories think Labour will get what amounts to a kicking in one of its remaining WC redoubts. They are in no danger of anything but embarrassment though.
You couldn't get a more Labour stronghold than Knowsley. Its where St Helens RLFC ground is near to.
FWIW My perception of turnout in Knowsley (mostly) and Liverpool (east of the city) is turnout is really low. The greenies seem to be happy and the Tories think Labour will get what amounts to a kicking in one of its remaining WC redoubts. They are in no danger of anything but embarrassment though.
You couldn't get a more Labour stronghold than Knowsley. Its where St Helens RLFC ground is near to.
Yes indeed. However, the scandals of chippy tits and others in Liverpool seem to have depressed the Labour vote locally.
Why on Earth would anyone vote “Lozza”? I think we can safely ignore Leon’s attempts to pose as a sentient poster.
He'd have been my first choice in London too.
That's fairly disappointing tbh, CR. Lozza has become the worst kind of reactionary right wing rent-a-gob and has been courting anti-vaxxers. He goes well beyond "saying it how it is" and will hopefully come very close to last place.
I don't agree with him on anti-vaxxers and, like Leon says, he's a bit of a dick but I do support his platform of anti-Wokeness and anti-cancel culture; I'd be buggered if I'd vote for Shaun Bailey as my first choice instead - so, it would be him.
Thankfully for you, though, I don't live in London anymore.
It's just completely irresponsible and whatever his other views are courting anti-vaxxers and validating them during a pandemic is not worthy of any votes.
I also think he's a bit scatter brained, easily distracted by the latest stupidity which has made him a reactionary rather than a visionary.
Anyway, this is London. It's the world's greatest city because people can live how they want. Wokeism simply doesn't effect my world at all, my workplace is simply immune and we've always had a policy of "if you don't like it, fuck off" which isn't going to change. My friends, family, colleagues - none of them really pay any attention to this shite, it's all "twitter nonsense" to the wider world.
My main two concerns in London are 1 - crime and 2 - housing, I think I'm in the majority in London. Wokeism or anything like that doesn't even register.
I wish it was just Twitter nonsense - sadly, in my industry it's not.
I'm jealous of you. My workplace is utterly infested with it, and it's definitely affected my career. I see it every single day, and it's getting worse. My bosses are now talking about launching "campaigns" this year that "live to their values" - ie their opinions. I had yet another awkward conversation with HR today where she was being disingenuous.
Maybe I should come and work for you?
I think maybe you need to go into an industry that doesn't give a shite about this stuff. Banking and finance is usually a pretty good bet. I think the most "woke" we've had is someone getting a HR ticking off for using the word "pikey" in a presentation, and even that was "don't put it in a presentation".
Binface is massive in London. And is projected to beat LD.
That would be utterly humilating. The LDs control three borough councils, surely with that they can get enough first preference votes to beat Binface, even if the Greens beat them?
I am a LibDem. I can remember who our candidate was last year but not her replacement who is actually running. Thats how big she is. As for Binface I have to respect the guy as I do the loonies.
Robert Peston @Peston · 5m Tories are briefing that Labour has got its vote out in Hartlepool and is doing better than expected throughout England. I have zero idea if this is mind games or real.
LAB headed for victory in Hartlepool as per my many previous posts on this subject.
Why on Earth would anyone vote “Lozza”? I think we can safely ignore Leon’s attempts to pose as a sentient poster.
He'd have been my first choice in London too.
That's fairly disappointing tbh, CR. Lozza has become the worst kind of reactionary right wing rent-a-gob and has been courting anti-vaxxers. He goes well beyond "saying it how it is" and will hopefully come very close to last place.
I can't find any example of him "race baiting". Do show, I am happy to be schooled
He was very keen on the "All Lives Matter" meme in response to BLM, I recall. You may not think of this as race-baiting, though I do. It was a meme shared by many on the far, far right.
He’s a dog-whistler.
He’s “All Lives Matter”, he’s “There we’re no Sikhs in WW1”, he’s “people who say I have white privilege are RACIST”.
Then he called for a boycott of Sainsbury’s because they celebrated Black History Month.
These are in one sense banal comments, maybe even arguable case by case, but in essence he is trying to appeal to the bigot vote.
And while he probably started down this path inadvertently, he’s realised it generated a lot of attention, so he’s moving on to anti-vax flirtation and climate change scepticism.
AND he’s a really shit musician.
I agree with Morgan Freeman on Black History Month:
Just back from a few hours' telling in my ward to show the flag (mixed wealthy, middle-class and one council estate - County seat is LibDem held) - very light poll, around 40 people an hour. No other tellers. Reports from across the constituency say a few candidates are doing telling but nobody is knocking up, on the basis that unnecessary visits will still be unwelcome. Postal vote also light, as reported earlier.
Robert Peston @Peston · 5m Tories are briefing that Labour has got its vote out in Hartlepool and is doing better than expected throughout England. I have zero idea if this is mind games or real.
LAB headed for victory in Hartlepool per my many previous posts on this subject.
Why on Earth would anyone vote “Lozza”? I think we can safely ignore Leon’s attempts to pose as a sentient poster.
He'd have been my first choice in London too.
That's fairly disappointing tbh, CR. Lozza has become the worst kind of reactionary right wing rent-a-gob and has been courting anti-vaxxers. He goes well beyond "saying it how it is" and will hopefully come very close to last place.
I don't agree with him on anti-vaxxers and, like Leon says, he's a bit of a dick but I do support his platform of anti-Wokeness and anti-cancel culture; I'd be buggered if I'd vote for Shaun Bailey as my first choice instead - so, it would be him.
Thankfully for you, though, I don't live in London anymore.
It's just completely irresponsible and whatever his other views are courting anti-vaxxers and validating them during a pandemic is not worthy of any votes.
I also think he's a bit scatter brained, easily distracted by the latest stupidity which has made him a reactionary rather than a visionary.
Anyway, this is London. It's the world's greatest city because people can live how they want. Wokeism simply doesn't effect my world at all, my workplace is simply immune and we've always had a policy of "if you don't like it, fuck off" which isn't going to change. My friends, family, colleagues - none of them really pay any attention to this shite, it's all "twitter nonsense" to the wider world.
My main two concerns in London are 1 - crime and 2 - housing, I think I'm in the majority in London. Wokeism or anything like that doesn't even register.
I wish it was just Twitter nonsense - sadly, in my industry it's not.
I'm jealous of you. My workplace is utterly infested with it, and it's definitely affected my career. I see it every single day, and it's getting worse. My bosses are now talking about launching "campaigns" this year that "live to their values" - ie their opinions. I had yet another awkward conversation with HR today where she was being disingenuous.
Maybe I should come and work for you?
I have also never witnessed any workspace woke stuff, or much woke stuff anywhere at all really despite living among the lesbian yoghurt-knitters of Hackney.
There’s a lot on Twitter, but that’s full of all sorts of shit.
I find it bizarre that it seems to be blighting you.
I was once given a verbal warning for innocently referring to someone as a scouser. “Which guy from IT came round earlier?” “You know Mike, the scouse guy”.
Why on Earth would anyone vote “Lozza”? I think we can safely ignore Leon’s attempts to pose as a sentient poster.
He'd have been my first choice in London too.
That's fairly disappointing tbh, CR. Lozza has become the worst kind of reactionary right wing rent-a-gob and has been courting anti-vaxxers. He goes well beyond "saying it how it is" and will hopefully come very close to last place.
I don't agree with him on anti-vaxxers and, like Leon says, he's a bit of a dick but I do support his platform of anti-Wokeness and anti-cancel culture; I'd be buggered if I'd vote for Shaun Bailey as my first choice instead - so, it would be him.
Thankfully for you, though, I don't live in London anymore.
It's just completely irresponsible and whatever his other views are courting anti-vaxxers and validating them during a pandemic is not worthy of any votes.
I also think he's a bit scatter brained, easily distracted by the latest stupidity which has made him a reactionary rather than a visionary.
Anyway, this is London. It's the world's greatest city because people can live how they want. Wokeism simply doesn't effect my world at all, my workplace is simply immune and we've always had a policy of "if you don't like it, fuck off" which isn't going to change. My friends, family, colleagues - none of them really pay any attention to this shite, it's all "twitter nonsense" to the wider world.
My main two concerns in London are 1 - crime and 2 - housing, I think I'm in the majority in London. Wokeism or anything like that doesn't even register.
I wish it was just Twitter nonsense - sadly, in my industry it's not.
I'm jealous of you. My workplace is utterly infested with it, and it's definitely affected my career. I see it every single day, and it's getting worse. My bosses are now talking about launching "campaigns" this year that "live to their values" - ie their opinions. I had yet another awkward conversation with HR today where she was being disingenuous.
Maybe I should come and work for you?
I think maybe you need to go into an industry that doesn't give a shite about this stuff. Banking and finance is usually a pretty good bet. I think the most "woke" we've had is someone getting a HR ticking off for using the word "pikey" in a presentation, and even that was "don't put it in a presentation".
What the f*** does "live to their values" actually mean?
More rumours of a Labour clusterfuck in Sunderland tonight - and they're also counting straight away so it might be a very early amuse bouche for Hartlepool in the morning.
Why on Earth would anyone vote “Lozza”? I think we can safely ignore Leon’s attempts to pose as a sentient poster.
He'd have been my first choice in London too.
That's fairly disappointing tbh, CR. Lozza has become the worst kind of reactionary right wing rent-a-gob and has been courting anti-vaxxers. He goes well beyond "saying it how it is" and will hopefully come very close to last place.
I don't agree with him on anti-vaxxers and, like Leon says, he's a bit of a dick but I do support his platform of anti-Wokeness and anti-cancel culture; I'd be buggered if I'd vote for Shaun Bailey as my first choice instead - so, it would be him.
Thankfully for you, though, I don't live in London anymore.
It's just completely irresponsible and whatever his other views are courting anti-vaxxers and validating them during a pandemic is not worthy of any votes.
I also think he's a bit scatter brained, easily distracted by the latest stupidity which has made him a reactionary rather than a visionary.
Anyway, this is London. It's the world's greatest city because people can live how they want. Wokeism simply doesn't effect my world at all, my workplace is simply immune and we've always had a policy of "if you don't like it, fuck off" which isn't going to change. My friends, family, colleagues - none of them really pay any attention to this shite, it's all "twitter nonsense" to the wider world.
My main two concerns in London are 1 - crime and 2 - housing, I think I'm in the majority in London. Wokeism or anything like that doesn't even register.
I wish it was just Twitter nonsense - sadly, in my industry it's not.
I'm jealous of you. My workplace is utterly infested with it, and it's definitely affected my career. I see it every single day, and it's getting worse. My bosses are now talking about launching "campaigns" this year that "live to their values" - ie their opinions. I had yet another awkward conversation with HR today where she was being disingenuous.
Maybe I should come and work for you?
I have also never witnessed any workspace woke stuff, or much woke stuff anywhere at all really despite living among the lesbian yoghurt-knitters of Hackney.
There’s a lot on Twitter, but that’s full of all sorts of shit.
I find it bizarre that it seems to be blighting you.
Have a friend, a community college instructor here in Seattle, a big Bernie Sanders backer and progressive, who is all the time complaining about the "wokeism" he has to contend with on the job, mostly from administrators.
Personally no such problem.
But then I work from home as part of a small team of center-left cynics.
Why on Earth would anyone vote “Lozza”? I think we can safely ignore Leon’s attempts to pose as a sentient poster.
He'd have been my first choice in London too.
That's fairly disappointing tbh, CR. Lozza has become the worst kind of reactionary right wing rent-a-gob and has been courting anti-vaxxers. He goes well beyond "saying it how it is" and will hopefully come very close to last place.
I don't agree with him on anti-vaxxers and, like Leon says, he's a bit of a dick but I do support his platform of anti-Wokeness and anti-cancel culture; I'd be buggered if I'd vote for Shaun Bailey as my first choice instead - so, it would be him.
Thankfully for you, though, I don't live in London anymore.
It's just completely irresponsible and whatever his other views are courting anti-vaxxers and validating them during a pandemic is not worthy of any votes.
I also think he's a bit scatter brained, easily distracted by the latest stupidity which has made him a reactionary rather than a visionary.
Anyway, this is London. It's the world's greatest city because people can live how they want. Wokeism simply doesn't effect my world at all, my workplace is simply immune and we've always had a policy of "if you don't like it, fuck off" which isn't going to change. My friends, family, colleagues - none of them really pay any attention to this shite, it's all "twitter nonsense" to the wider world.
My main two concerns in London are 1 - crime and 2 - housing, I think I'm in the majority in London. Wokeism or anything like that doesn't even register.
I wish it was just Twitter nonsense - sadly, in my industry it's not.
I'm jealous of you. My workplace is utterly infested with it, and it's definitely affected my career. I see it every single day, and it's getting worse. My bosses are now talking about launching "campaigns" this year that "live to their values" - ie their opinions. I had yet another awkward conversation with HR today where she was being disingenuous.
Maybe I should come and work for you?
I have also never witnessed any workspace woke stuff, or much woke stuff anywhere at all really despite living among the lesbian yoghurt-knitters of Hackney.
There’s a lot on Twitter, but that’s full of all sorts of shit.
I find it bizarre that it seems to be blighting you.
Casino is right. It is slowly making its way through the industries. It started in academe (of course), and is still at its worst there. Absolute carnage, esp in America
It has now moved into the media, the arts, social media, the police, and so on.
And Wokeness is very different to traditional PC concerns. It isn't just disdainful of contrary opinions, it does not allow them, it demands that EVERYONE publicly submits to this one narrow ideology. It is dangerous. But Lefties refuse to see that (until it comes after them, and then they realise their error, too late - eg feminists in the trans-TERF wars)
Binface is massive in London. And is projected to beat LD.
That would be utterly humilating. The LDs control three borough councils, surely with that they can get enough first preference votes to beat Binface, even if the Greens beat them?
It would be hugely entertaining to have Sir Ed Davey followed round by someone dressed as Binface wherever he appears. Silent, brooding...and annoying as all hell.
Why on Earth would anyone vote “Lozza”? I think we can safely ignore Leon’s attempts to pose as a sentient poster.
He'd have been my first choice in London too.
That's fairly disappointing tbh, CR. Lozza has become the worst kind of reactionary right wing rent-a-gob and has been courting anti-vaxxers. He goes well beyond "saying it how it is" and will hopefully come very close to last place.
I don't agree with him on anti-vaxxers and, like Leon says, he's a bit of a dick but I do support his platform of anti-Wokeness and anti-cancel culture; I'd be buggered if I'd vote for Shaun Bailey as my first choice instead - so, it would be him.
Thankfully for you, though, I don't live in London anymore.
It's just completely irresponsible and whatever his other views are courting anti-vaxxers and validating them during a pandemic is not worthy of any votes.
I also think he's a bit scatter brained, easily distracted by the latest stupidity which has made him a reactionary rather than a visionary.
Anyway, this is London. It's the world's greatest city because people can live how they want. Wokeism simply doesn't effect my world at all, my workplace is simply immune and we've always had a policy of "if you don't like it, fuck off" which isn't going to change. My friends, family, colleagues - none of them really pay any attention to this shite, it's all "twitter nonsense" to the wider world.
My main two concerns in London are 1 - crime and 2 - housing, I think I'm in the majority in London. Wokeism or anything like that doesn't even register.
I wish it was just Twitter nonsense - sadly, in my industry it's not.
I'm jealous of you. My workplace is utterly infested with it, and it's definitely affected my career. I see it every single day, and it's getting worse. My bosses are now talking about launching "campaigns" this year that "live to their values" - ie their opinions. I had yet another awkward conversation with HR today where she was being disingenuous.
Maybe I should come and work for you?
I have also never witnessed any workspace woke stuff, or much woke stuff anywhere at all really despite living among the lesbian yoghurt-knitters of Hackney.
There’s a lot on Twitter, but that’s full of all sorts of shit.
I find it bizarre that it seems to be blighting you.
Oh God, the "it's all on Twitter" stuff again.
This gets so tedious going through this and reexplaining it night after night.
Why on Earth would anyone vote “Lozza”? I think we can safely ignore Leon’s attempts to pose as a sentient poster.
He'd have been my first choice in London too.
That's fairly disappointing tbh, CR. Lozza has become the worst kind of reactionary right wing rent-a-gob and has been courting anti-vaxxers. He goes well beyond "saying it how it is" and will hopefully come very close to last place.
I can't find any example of him "race baiting". Do show, I am happy to be schooled
He was very keen on the "All Lives Matter" meme in response to BLM, I recall. You may not think of this as race-baiting, though I do. It was a meme shared by many on the far, far right.
He’s a dog-whistler.
He’s “All Lives Matter”, he’s “There we’re no Sikhs in WW1”, he’s “people who say I have white privilege are RACIST”.
Then he called for a boycott of Sainsbury’s because they celebrated Black History Month.
These are in one sense banal comments, maybe even arguable case by case, but in essence he is trying to appeal to the bigot vote.
And while he probably started down this path inadvertently, he’s realised it generated a lot of attention, so he’s moving on to anti-vax flirtation and climate change scepticism.
AND he’s a really shit musician.
So, no evidence of Mosleyite race-baiting, just some "arguable opinions". On the other hand, he IS a shit musician
Oh-kay
The shit musicianship is critical. It was so bad it was an internet meme for a while. Here’s a “version” for your private wankbank.
Casino voting for Lozza Fox is just sad. His views on everything I now question if anyone sane can vote for that nutjob
I didn't vote for him, you tedious dipstick.
I said I *would* have voted for him had I lived in London.
It's like someone on the centre-left voting for Count Binface - it sends a message.
The fact you’d even consider it is depressing.
I really stand by what I said, I guess this is what happens when you spend your time on DailyMail.co.uk
Perhaps, if I did read the Daily Mail online.
Maybe one day you'll get tired of being wrong.
As long as I don’t end up miserable like you, my life will have been worth living
Not miserable mate. You're the one in a political rut trying to figure out what it's all about and, more importantly, what you're all about.
When you do, you'll find the way - and you'll feel much more comfortable with yourself.
I’ll be satisfied that whatever happens, I won’t be as condescending as you, off for a beer
You're happy to dish out snide remarks and make sweeping judgements on others on here, usually emotionally charged, but you just can't take it the other way.
No-one seems to have mentioned how the LibDems might fare tonight. There surely has to be a real risk their councillor base gets significantly eroded yet again, if Tories and Labour are polling better than 2016/2017?
Why on Earth would anyone vote “Lozza”? I think we can safely ignore Leon’s attempts to pose as a sentient poster.
He'd have been my first choice in London too.
That's fairly disappointing tbh, CR. Lozza has become the worst kind of reactionary right wing rent-a-gob and has been courting anti-vaxxers. He goes well beyond "saying it how it is" and will hopefully come very close to last place.
I don't agree with him on anti-vaxxers and, like Leon says, he's a bit of a dick but I do support his platform of anti-Wokeness and anti-cancel culture; I'd be buggered if I'd vote for Shaun Bailey as my first choice instead - so, it would be him.
Thankfully for you, though, I don't live in London anymore.
It's just completely irresponsible and whatever his other views are courting anti-vaxxers and validating them during a pandemic is not worthy of any votes.
I also think he's a bit scatter brained, easily distracted by the latest stupidity which has made him a reactionary rather than a visionary.
Anyway, this is London. It's the world's greatest city because people can live how they want. Wokeism simply doesn't effect my world at all, my workplace is simply immune and we've always had a policy of "if you don't like it, fuck off" which isn't going to change. My friends, family, colleagues - none of them really pay any attention to this shite, it's all "twitter nonsense" to the wider world.
My main two concerns in London are 1 - crime and 2 - housing, I think I'm in the majority in London. Wokeism or anything like that doesn't even register.
I wish it was just Twitter nonsense - sadly, in my industry it's not.
I'm jealous of you. My workplace is utterly infested with it, and it's definitely affected my career. I see it every single day, and it's getting worse. My bosses are now talking about launching "campaigns" this year that "live to their values" - ie their opinions. I had yet another awkward conversation with HR today where she was being disingenuous.
Maybe I should come and work for you?
I think maybe you need to go into an industry that doesn't give a shite about this stuff. Banking and finance is usually a pretty good bet. I think the most "woke" we've had is someone getting a HR ticking off for using the word "pikey" in a presentation, and even that was "don't put it in a presentation".
I was chastised by HR for telling one of my female staff 'look at you all tarted up tonight' for her date.
EDL candidate in our PCC election. Is that now the most common far right vehicle do we think?
Until Lozza starts to clone himself, yes. EDIT - why are the EDL a thing still? If you want to hate foreigners why not just vote Tory like everyone else? The PM - when not dragging Carrie Antoinette to the polling station - just sent the navy after the French!
Well I would vote for Street in my native West Midlands
He really would be a brilliant next leader of the Tories. Nigh on unbeatable.
You are right - the problem with Street is that he has absolutely no patience for actual politics (making friends, sucking up, working the tearooms, etc). He ran for Mayor because he saw the role as being technocratic and managerial, and an opportunity to genuinely improve the lives of the people who elected him. As an MP, he would have none of the powers he currently enjoys, and any Tory leader would be mad to give him significant Ministerial responsibilities because he's such an obvious threat.
The country would be much better off if people like Street felt they could help people at a national level, but sadly our system repels them.
Why on Earth would anyone vote “Lozza”? I think we can safely ignore Leon’s attempts to pose as a sentient poster.
He'd have been my first choice in London too.
That's fairly disappointing tbh, CR. Lozza has become the worst kind of reactionary right wing rent-a-gob and has been courting anti-vaxxers. He goes well beyond "saying it how it is" and will hopefully come very close to last place.
I can't find any example of him "race baiting". Do show, I am happy to be schooled
He was very keen on the "All Lives Matter" meme in response to BLM, I recall. You may not think of this as race-baiting, though I do. It was a meme shared by many on the far, far right.
He’s a dog-whistler.
He’s “All Lives Matter”, he’s “There we’re no Sikhs in WW1”, he’s “people who say I have white privilege are RACIST”.
Then he called for a boycott of Sainsbury’s because they celebrated Black History Month.
These are in one sense banal comments, maybe even arguable case by case, but in essence he is trying to appeal to the bigot vote.
And while he probably started down this path inadvertently, he’s realised it generated a lot of attention, so he’s moving on to anti-vax flirtation and climate change scepticism.
AND he’s a really shit musician.
So, no evidence of Mosleyite race-baiting, just some "arguable opinions". On the other hand, he IS a shit musician
Oh-kay
The shit musicianship is critical. It was so bad it was an internet meme for a while. Here’s a “version” for your private wankbank.
Why on Earth would anyone vote “Lozza”? I think we can safely ignore Leon’s attempts to pose as a sentient poster.
He'd have been my first choice in London too.
That's fairly disappointing tbh, CR. Lozza has become the worst kind of reactionary right wing rent-a-gob and has been courting anti-vaxxers. He goes well beyond "saying it how it is" and will hopefully come very close to last place.
I don't agree with him on anti-vaxxers and, like Leon says, he's a bit of a dick but I do support his platform of anti-Wokeness and anti-cancel culture; I'd be buggered if I'd vote for Shaun Bailey as my first choice instead - so, it would be him.
Thankfully for you, though, I don't live in London anymore.
It's just completely irresponsible and whatever his other views are courting anti-vaxxers and validating them during a pandemic is not worthy of any votes.
I also think he's a bit scatter brained, easily distracted by the latest stupidity which has made him a reactionary rather than a visionary.
Anyway, this is London. It's the world's greatest city because people can live how they want. Wokeism simply doesn't effect my world at all, my workplace is simply immune and we've always had a policy of "if you don't like it, fuck off" which isn't going to change. My friends, family, colleagues - none of them really pay any attention to this shite, it's all "twitter nonsense" to the wider world.
My main two concerns in London are 1 - crime and 2 - housing, I think I'm in the majority in London. Wokeism or anything like that doesn't even register.
I wish it was just Twitter nonsense - sadly, in my industry it's not.
I'm jealous of you. My workplace is utterly infested with it, and it's definitely affected my career. I see it every single day, and it's getting worse. My bosses are now talking about launching "campaigns" this year that "live to their values" - ie their opinions. I had yet another awkward conversation with HR today where she was being disingenuous.
Maybe I should come and work for you?
I have also never witnessed any workspace woke stuff, or much woke stuff anywhere at all really despite living among the lesbian yoghurt-knitters of Hackney.
There’s a lot on Twitter, but that’s full of all sorts of shit.
I find it bizarre that it seems to be blighting you.
Casino is right. It is slowly making its way through the industries. It started in academe (of course), and is still at its worst there. Absolute carnage, esp in America
It has now moved into the media, the arts, social media, the police, and so on.
And Wokeness is very different to traditional PC concerns. It isn't just disdainful of contrary opinions, it does not allow them, it demands that EVERYONE publicly submits to this one narrow ideology. It is dangerous. But Lefties refuse to see that (until it comes after them, and then they realise their error, too late - eg feminists in the trans-TERF wars)
I feel judged for not clarifying that my “chosen pronouns” are “he/his” in my email signature. It’s annoying.
Well done you. Mrs Dumbosaurus (from Zambia originally) was not persuaded to vote by my "hundreds of Rhodesians died during WW2 so that Brits could have free elections" line.
As for me, I went Tory for the local councils (cause I told the candidate who was the same for both I would vote for him) and Labour for PCC (I think that the Tory would have been better overall but the man in his manifesto was pleased... nay... PROUD ffs - that he had purchased two speed camera vans. I wasn't going to endorse that)
FWIW My perception of turnout in Knowsley (mostly) and Liverpool (east of the city) is turnout is really low. The greenies seem to be happy and the Tories think Labour will get what amounts to a kicking in one of its remaining WC redoubts. They are in no danger of anything but embarrassment though.
You couldn't get a more Labour stronghold than Knowsley. Its where St Helens RLFC ground is near to.
FWIW My perception of turnout in Knowsley (mostly) and Liverpool (east of the city) is turnout is really low. The greenies seem to be happy and the Tories think Labour will get what amounts to a kicking in one of its remaining WC redoubts. They are in no danger of anything but embarrassment though.
You couldn't get a more Labour stronghold than Knowsley. Its where St Helens RLFC ground is near to.
Yes indeed. However, the scandals of chippy tits and others in Liverpool seem to have depressed the Labour vote locally.
Lots of unemployment and drugs and crime etc according to the St Helens paper I read.
Casino voting for Lozza Fox is just sad. His views on everything I now question if anyone sane can vote for that nutjob
I didn't vote for him, you tedious dipstick.
I said I *would* have voted for him had I lived in London.
It's like someone on the centre-left voting for Count Binface - it sends a message.
The fact you’d even consider it is depressing.
I really stand by what I said, I guess this is what happens when you spend your time on DailyMail.co.uk
Perhaps, if I did read the Daily Mail online.
Maybe one day you'll get tired of being wrong.
As long as I don’t end up miserable like you, my life will have been worth living
Not miserable mate. You're the one in a political rut trying to figure out what it's all about and, more importantly, what you're all about.
When you do, you'll find the way - and you'll feel much more comfortable with yourself.
I’ll be satisfied that whatever happens, I won’t be as condescending as you, off for a beer
You're happy to dish out snide remarks and make sweeping judgements on others on here, usually emotionally charged, but you just can't take it the other way.
Enjoy your beer. Hope you reflect some too.
Lots of hard left on here can give it but not take it.
Why on Earth would anyone vote “Lozza”? I think we can safely ignore Leon’s attempts to pose as a sentient poster.
He'd have been my first choice in London too.
That's fairly disappointing tbh, CR. Lozza has become the worst kind of reactionary right wing rent-a-gob and has been courting anti-vaxxers. He goes well beyond "saying it how it is" and will hopefully come very close to last place.
I don't agree with him on anti-vaxxers and, like Leon says, he's a bit of a dick but I do support his platform of anti-Wokeness and anti-cancel culture; I'd be buggered if I'd vote for Shaun Bailey as my first choice instead - so, it would be him.
Thankfully for you, though, I don't live in London anymore.
It's just completely irresponsible and whatever his other views are courting anti-vaxxers and validating them during a pandemic is not worthy of any votes.
I also think he's a bit scatter brained, easily distracted by the latest stupidity which has made him a reactionary rather than a visionary.
Anyway, this is London. It's the world's greatest city because people can live how they want. Wokeism simply doesn't effect my world at all, my workplace is simply immune and we've always had a policy of "if you don't like it, fuck off" which isn't going to change. My friends, family, colleagues - none of them really pay any attention to this shite, it's all "twitter nonsense" to the wider world.
My main two concerns in London are 1 - crime and 2 - housing, I think I'm in the majority in London. Wokeism or anything like that doesn't even register.
I wish it was just Twitter nonsense - sadly, in my industry it's not.
I'm jealous of you. My workplace is utterly infested with it, and it's definitely affected my career. I see it every single day, and it's getting worse. My bosses are now talking about launching "campaigns" this year that "live to their values" - ie their opinions. I had yet another awkward conversation with HR today where she was being disingenuous.
Maybe I should come and work for you?
I have also never witnessed any workspace woke stuff, or much woke stuff anywhere at all really despite living among the lesbian yoghurt-knitters of Hackney.
There’s a lot on Twitter, but that’s full of all sorts of shit.
I find it bizarre that it seems to be blighting you.
I was once given a verbal warning for innocently referring to someone as a scouser. “Which guy from IT came round earlier?” “You know Mike, the scouse guy”.
This was 20 years ago pre wokism.
Be fine in my workplace too. Despite being in a youthful department, which is as multicultural as possible, from devout Muslims to married lesbians, I have never encountered anyone concerned by "Wokism", either for or against. I only encounter the obsession here, I don't even encounter it much on twitter.
More rumours of a Labour clusterfuck in Sunderland tonight - and they're also counting straight away so it might be a very early amuse bouche for Hartlepool in the morning.
Any rumours from Durham ? They seem to be campaigning defensively today.
No-one seems to have mentioned how the LibDems might fare tonight. There surely has to be a real risk their councillor base gets significantly eroded yet again, if Tories and Labour are polling better than 2016/2017?
God I hope so. All they do in Woking is block everything and offer little in terms of alternative options
Why on Earth would anyone vote “Lozza”? I think we can safely ignore Leon’s attempts to pose as a sentient poster.
He'd have been my first choice in London too.
That's fairly disappointing tbh, CR. Lozza has become the worst kind of reactionary right wing rent-a-gob and has been courting anti-vaxxers. He goes well beyond "saying it how it is" and will hopefully come very close to last place.
I don't agree with him on anti-vaxxers and, like Leon says, he's a bit of a dick but I do support his platform of anti-Wokeness and anti-cancel culture; I'd be buggered if I'd vote for Shaun Bailey as my first choice instead - so, it would be him.
Thankfully for you, though, I don't live in London anymore.
It's just completely irresponsible and whatever his other views are courting anti-vaxxers and validating them during a pandemic is not worthy of any votes.
I also think he's a bit scatter brained, easily distracted by the latest stupidity which has made him a reactionary rather than a visionary.
Anyway, this is London. It's the world's greatest city because people can live how they want. Wokeism simply doesn't effect my world at all, my workplace is simply immune and we've always had a policy of "if you don't like it, fuck off" which isn't going to change. My friends, family, colleagues - none of them really pay any attention to this shite, it's all "twitter nonsense" to the wider world.
My main two concerns in London are 1 - crime and 2 - housing, I think I'm in the majority in London. Wokeism or anything like that doesn't even register.
I wish it was just Twitter nonsense - sadly, in my industry it's not.
I'm jealous of you. My workplace is utterly infested with it, and it's definitely affected my career. I see it every single day, and it's getting worse. My bosses are now talking about launching "campaigns" this year that "live to their values" - ie their opinions. I had yet another awkward conversation with HR today where she was being disingenuous.
Maybe I should come and work for you?
I have also never witnessed any workspace woke stuff, or much woke stuff anywhere at all really despite living among the lesbian yoghurt-knitters of Hackney.
There’s a lot on Twitter, but that’s full of all sorts of shit.
I find it bizarre that it seems to be blighting you.
Casino is right. It is slowly making its way through the industries. It started in academe (of course), and is still at its worst there. Absolute carnage, esp in America
It has now moved into the media, the arts, social media, the police, and so on.
And Wokeness is very different to traditional PC concerns. It isn't just disdainful of contrary opinions, it does not allow them, it demands that EVERYONE publicly submits to this one narrow ideology. It is dangerous. But Lefties refuse to see that (until it comes after them, and then they realise their error, too late - eg feminists in the trans-TERF wars)
I feel judged for not clarifying that my “chosen pronouns” are “he/his” in my email signature. It’s annoying.
Maybe you shouldn't be such a snowflake?
I have never put pronouns in my email signature either and I have never felt remotely judged.
So, I voted Lib Dem. I'm now on the gin as I try and come to terms with it.
Do I get a free pair of sandals now from OGH or @IanB2 ?
Everyone should vote Lib Dem at least once in their life. I got it out the way nice and early in my first ever election. Went for an Indie today at ward level.
I once voted Tory. The only opponent was BNP.
Dare say I've kissed some Tories too. Don't tell Laura Pidcock.
"Some"
What? Are you some sort of secret (nerdy) lothario?
If I meet a nice cyborg, I don't always ask about her politics...
But no, SSI, not Anna Soubry or Anne Widdecombe (though I got on well with her - we both like cats). I saw my colleague Vernon Coaker kissing Anna S, though (in a brotherly sort of way). I pursed my lips censoriously.
Why on Earth would anyone vote “Lozza”? I think we can safely ignore Leon’s attempts to pose as a sentient poster.
He'd have been my first choice in London too.
That's fairly disappointing tbh, CR. Lozza has become the worst kind of reactionary right wing rent-a-gob and has been courting anti-vaxxers. He goes well beyond "saying it how it is" and will hopefully come very close to last place.
I don't agree with him on anti-vaxxers and, like Leon says, he's a bit of a dick but I do support his platform of anti-Wokeness and anti-cancel culture; I'd be buggered if I'd vote for Shaun Bailey as my first choice instead - so, it would be him.
Thankfully for you, though, I don't live in London anymore.
It's just completely irresponsible and whatever his other views are courting anti-vaxxers and validating them during a pandemic is not worthy of any votes.
I also think he's a bit scatter brained, easily distracted by the latest stupidity which has made him a reactionary rather than a visionary.
Anyway, this is London. It's the world's greatest city because people can live how they want. Wokeism simply doesn't effect my world at all, my workplace is simply immune and we've always had a policy of "if you don't like it, fuck off" which isn't going to change. My friends, family, colleagues - none of them really pay any attention to this shite, it's all "twitter nonsense" to the wider world.
My main two concerns in London are 1 - crime and 2 - housing, I think I'm in the majority in London. Wokeism or anything like that doesn't even register.
I wish it was just Twitter nonsense - sadly, in my industry it's not.
I'm jealous of you. My workplace is utterly infested with it, and it's definitely affected my career. I see it every single day, and it's getting worse. My bosses are now talking about launching "campaigns" this year that "live to their values" - ie their opinions. I had yet another awkward conversation with HR today where she was being disingenuous.
Maybe I should come and work for you?
I have also never witnessed any workspace woke stuff, or much woke stuff anywhere at all really despite living among the lesbian yoghurt-knitters of Hackney.
There’s a lot on Twitter, but that’s full of all sorts of shit.
I find it bizarre that it seems to be blighting you.
I was once given a verbal warning for innocently referring to someone as a scouser. “Which guy from IT came round earlier?” “You know Mike, the scouse guy”.
This was 20 years ago pre wokism.
I once had someone who worked for a team I took over that constantly called anyone who pissed him off a "gypsy", or "gypsy [whatever insulting word he thought of today]". I kept telling him not to use that sort of language. One day he did it in public - and well there was a big Travelling community in town that day and they heard him, lets put it that way. Very nearly had a brawl occur because of that.
Why on Earth would anyone vote “Lozza”? I think we can safely ignore Leon’s attempts to pose as a sentient poster.
He'd have been my first choice in London too.
That's fairly disappointing tbh, CR. Lozza has become the worst kind of reactionary right wing rent-a-gob and has been courting anti-vaxxers. He goes well beyond "saying it how it is" and will hopefully come very close to last place.
I can't find any example of him "race baiting". Do show, I am happy to be schooled
He was very keen on the "All Lives Matter" meme in response to BLM, I recall. You may not think of this as race-baiting, though I do. It was a meme shared by many on the far, far right.
To be fair, if you just heard the phrase "Black Lives Matter" out of any other context, the most obvious inference to be drawn is that, for the speaker, by their exclusion, other lives do not matter - or at very least do not matter as much. I think many people reacted badly to the phrase in the absence of context.
If, on the other hand, you hear the phrase in the context of "of course, all lives matter equally, but historically society has acted as if black lives do not matter, so when we say black lives matter, we are asserting that they do indeed matter as much as any other life" then the BLM phrase is not offensive, and indeed it is offensive not to agree with that sentiment.
And then you go on the Official Black Lives Matter website and you realise they are a Marxist cult that hates the police and wants to deconstruct the family
For a lot of us, that was the problem. By taking the knee you are, in effect, kneeling to corrosive Marxists, who are shamelessly using race as a way to delegitimize Western self-esteem (and make lots of money for themselves)
Official BLM are also anti-Semitic. Of course
Most Sinn Fein and IRA supporters had no idea they were Marxist either. When the collection tray was passed around in Boston for "The Boys", did people realise they were supporting an explicitly Marxist organization? Or did they just support Irish nationalism.
Why on Earth would anyone vote “Lozza”? I think we can safely ignore Leon’s attempts to pose as a sentient poster.
He'd have been my first choice in London too.
That's fairly disappointing tbh, CR. Lozza has become the worst kind of reactionary right wing rent-a-gob and has been courting anti-vaxxers. He goes well beyond "saying it how it is" and will hopefully come very close to last place.
I don't agree with him on anti-vaxxers and, like Leon says, he's a bit of a dick but I do support his platform of anti-Wokeness and anti-cancel culture; I'd be buggered if I'd vote for Shaun Bailey as my first choice instead - so, it would be him.
Thankfully for you, though, I don't live in London anymore.
It's just completely irresponsible and whatever his other views are courting anti-vaxxers and validating them during a pandemic is not worthy of any votes.
I also think he's a bit scatter brained, easily distracted by the latest stupidity which has made him a reactionary rather than a visionary.
Anyway, this is London. It's the world's greatest city because people can live how they want. Wokeism simply doesn't effect my world at all, my workplace is simply immune and we've always had a policy of "if you don't like it, fuck off" which isn't going to change. My friends, family, colleagues - none of them really pay any attention to this shite, it's all "twitter nonsense" to the wider world.
My main two concerns in London are 1 - crime and 2 - housing, I think I'm in the majority in London. Wokeism or anything like that doesn't even register.
I wish it was just Twitter nonsense - sadly, in my industry it's not.
I'm jealous of you. My workplace is utterly infested with it, and it's definitely affected my career. I see it every single day, and it's getting worse. My bosses are now talking about launching "campaigns" this year that "live to their values" - ie their opinions. I had yet another awkward conversation with HR today where she was being disingenuous.
Maybe I should come and work for you?
I think maybe you need to go into an industry that doesn't give a shite about this stuff. Banking and finance is usually a pretty good bet. I think the most "woke" we've had is someone getting a HR ticking off for using the word "pikey" in a presentation, and even that was "don't put it in a presentation".
I was chastised by HR for telling one of my female staff 'look at you all tarted up tonight' for her date.
Lol, I saw our HR manager ogling some client that was in for a meeting and joked that she should mop up under her chair, got a "you can't say that to me in the office" and "set a better example" 😆
Had a Labour ward councillor + the candidate knock on the door here in Leeds tonight asking if I'd voted. Not had them knock on an election day before as we're quite safe so maybe they're taking nothing for granted.
Why on Earth would anyone vote “Lozza”? I think we can safely ignore Leon’s attempts to pose as a sentient poster.
He'd have been my first choice in London too.
That's fairly disappointing tbh, CR. Lozza has become the worst kind of reactionary right wing rent-a-gob and has been courting anti-vaxxers. He goes well beyond "saying it how it is" and will hopefully come very close to last place.
I don't agree with him on anti-vaxxers and, like Leon says, he's a bit of a dick but I do support his platform of anti-Wokeness and anti-cancel culture; I'd be buggered if I'd vote for Shaun Bailey as my first choice instead - so, it would be him.
Thankfully for you, though, I don't live in London anymore.
It's just completely irresponsible and whatever his other views are courting anti-vaxxers and validating them during a pandemic is not worthy of any votes.
I also think he's a bit scatter brained, easily distracted by the latest stupidity which has made him a reactionary rather than a visionary.
Anyway, this is London. It's the world's greatest city because people can live how they want. Wokeism simply doesn't effect my world at all, my workplace is simply immune and we've always had a policy of "if you don't like it, fuck off" which isn't going to change. My friends, family, colleagues - none of them really pay any attention to this shite, it's all "twitter nonsense" to the wider world.
My main two concerns in London are 1 - crime and 2 - housing, I think I'm in the majority in London. Wokeism or anything like that doesn't even register.
I wish it was just Twitter nonsense - sadly, in my industry it's not.
I'm jealous of you. My workplace is utterly infested with it, and it's definitely affected my career. I see it every single day, and it's getting worse. My bosses are now talking about launching "campaigns" this year that "live to their values" - ie their opinions. I had yet another awkward conversation with HR today where she was being disingenuous.
Maybe I should come and work for you?
I think maybe you need to go into an industry that doesn't give a shite about this stuff. Banking and finance is usually a pretty good bet. I think the most "woke" we've had is someone getting a HR ticking off for using the word "pikey" in a presentation, and even that was "don't put it in a presentation".
One experience I had: I presented to the boards of civil servants for the house of lords and house of commons and got a public (and angry) bollocking from one of them on the call who decided to grandstand because my main governance committee of 9 X directors had not a single female on it.
That was because, at that stage, they'd recruited only three people to the programme - all of whom were men - and the rest of the posts were "TBC". *They* did, not me, but I took a bollocking amongst 20 people on the call with the two co-chairs (both white men) saying "very good point, Amy" (not her real name) and was made to look like a misogynist tit, with no support, and then I fluffed the rest of my lines as I tried to manage my incredulation. Cowards.
So anyway, are any of the mayorals likely to change hands at all? Apparently West Midlands and Tees won't, we know Liverpool, Manchester, London and Sheffield won't. Cambridgeshire didn't seem close last time so probably not now, nor the North of TYne.
Is it only West of England in play? It was 52/48 last time, but the other Tories in that situation are doing fine.
I'm very much with @MaxPB - I simply haven't seen a single *real* piece of woke in real life. I realise that I shouldn't trust my own eyes and ears, and should rely entirely on Twitter, but that is my reality at work, at home, and with my kids education.
Why on Earth would anyone vote “Lozza”? I think we can safely ignore Leon’s attempts to pose as a sentient poster.
He'd have been my first choice in London too.
That's fairly disappointing tbh, CR. Lozza has become the worst kind of reactionary right wing rent-a-gob and has been courting anti-vaxxers. He goes well beyond "saying it how it is" and will hopefully come very close to last place.
I don't agree with him on anti-vaxxers and, like Leon says, he's a bit of a dick but I do support his platform of anti-Wokeness and anti-cancel culture; I'd be buggered if I'd vote for Shaun Bailey as my first choice instead - so, it would be him.
Thankfully for you, though, I don't live in London anymore.
It's just completely irresponsible and whatever his other views are courting anti-vaxxers and validating them during a pandemic is not worthy of any votes.
I also think he's a bit scatter brained, easily distracted by the latest stupidity which has made him a reactionary rather than a visionary.
Anyway, this is London. It's the world's greatest city because people can live how they want. Wokeism simply doesn't effect my world at all, my workplace is simply immune and we've always had a policy of "if you don't like it, fuck off" which isn't going to change. My friends, family, colleagues - none of them really pay any attention to this shite, it's all "twitter nonsense" to the wider world.
My main two concerns in London are 1 - crime and 2 - housing, I think I'm in the majority in London. Wokeism or anything like that doesn't even register.
I wish it was just Twitter nonsense - sadly, in my industry it's not.
I'm jealous of you. My workplace is utterly infested with it, and it's definitely affected my career. I see it every single day, and it's getting worse. My bosses are now talking about launching "campaigns" this year that "live to their values" - ie their opinions. I had yet another awkward conversation with HR today where she was being disingenuous.
Maybe I should come and work for you?
I think maybe you need to go into an industry that doesn't give a shite about this stuff. Banking and finance is usually a pretty good bet. I think the most "woke" we've had is someone getting a HR ticking off for using the word "pikey" in a presentation, and even that was "don't put it in a presentation".
I was chastised by HR for telling one of my female staff 'look at you all tarted up tonight' for her date.
Why on Earth would anyone vote “Lozza”? I think we can safely ignore Leon’s attempts to pose as a sentient poster.
He'd have been my first choice in London too.
That's fairly disappointing tbh, CR. Lozza has become the worst kind of reactionary right wing rent-a-gob and has been courting anti-vaxxers. He goes well beyond "saying it how it is" and will hopefully come very close to last place.
I don't agree with him on anti-vaxxers and, like Leon says, he's a bit of a dick but I do support his platform of anti-Wokeness and anti-cancel culture; I'd be buggered if I'd vote for Shaun Bailey as my first choice instead - so, it would be him.
Thankfully for you, though, I don't live in London anymore.
It's just completely irresponsible and whatever his other views are courting anti-vaxxers and validating them during a pandemic is not worthy of any votes.
I also think he's a bit scatter brained, easily distracted by the latest stupidity which has made him a reactionary rather than a visionary.
Anyway, this is London. It's the world's greatest city because people can live how they want. Wokeism simply doesn't effect my world at all, my workplace is simply immune and we've always had a policy of "if you don't like it, fuck off" which isn't going to change. My friends, family, colleagues - none of them really pay any attention to this shite, it's all "twitter nonsense" to the wider world.
My main two concerns in London are 1 - crime and 2 - housing, I think I'm in the majority in London. Wokeism or anything like that doesn't even register.
I wish it was just Twitter nonsense - sadly, in my industry it's not.
I'm jealous of you. My workplace is utterly infested with it, and it's definitely affected my career. I see it every single day, and it's getting worse. My bosses are now talking about launching "campaigns" this year that "live to their values" - ie their opinions. I had yet another awkward conversation with HR today where she was being disingenuous.
Maybe I should come and work for you?
I have also never witnessed any workspace woke stuff, or much woke stuff anywhere at all really despite living among the lesbian yoghurt-knitters of Hackney.
There’s a lot on Twitter, but that’s full of all sorts of shit.
I find it bizarre that it seems to be blighting you.
Casino is right. It is slowly making its way through the industries. It started in academe (of course), and is still at its worst there. Absolute carnage, esp in America
It has now moved into the media, the arts, social media, the police, and so on.
And Wokeness is very different to traditional PC concerns. It isn't just disdainful of contrary opinions, it does not allow them, it demands that EVERYONE publicly submits to this one narrow ideology. It is dangerous. But Lefties refuse to see that (until it comes after them, and then they realise their error, too late - eg feminists in the trans-TERF wars)
I feel judged for not clarifying that my “chosen pronouns” are “he/his” in my email signature. It’s annoying.
That's ridiculous. Just don't do it and move on. Tbh, people that do it are just a bit sad and/or attention seeking.
Why on Earth would anyone vote “Lozza”? I think we can safely ignore Leon’s attempts to pose as a sentient poster.
He'd have been my first choice in London too.
That's fairly disappointing tbh, CR. Lozza has become the worst kind of reactionary right wing rent-a-gob and has been courting anti-vaxxers. He goes well beyond "saying it how it is" and will hopefully come very close to last place.
I can't find any example of him "race baiting". Do show, I am happy to be schooled
He was very keen on the "All Lives Matter" meme in response to BLM, I recall. You may not think of this as race-baiting, though I do. It was a meme shared by many on the far, far right.
He’s a dog-whistler.
He’s “All Lives Matter”, he’s “There we’re no Sikhs in WW1”, he’s “people who say I have white privilege are RACIST”.
Then he called for a boycott of Sainsbury’s because they celebrated Black History Month.
These are in one sense banal comments, maybe even arguable case by case, but in essence he is trying to appeal to the bigot vote.
And while he probably started down this path inadvertently, he’s realised it generated a lot of attention, so he’s moving on to anti-vax flirtation and climate change scepticism.
AND he’s a really shit musician.
So, no evidence of Mosleyite race-baiting, just some "arguable opinions". On the other hand, he IS a shit musician
Oh-kay
The shit musicianship is critical. It was so bad it was an internet meme for a while. Here’s a “version” for your private wankbank.
Why on Earth would anyone vote “Lozza”? I think we can safely ignore Leon’s attempts to pose as a sentient poster.
He'd have been my first choice in London too.
That's fairly disappointing tbh, CR. Lozza has become the worst kind of reactionary right wing rent-a-gob and has been courting anti-vaxxers. He goes well beyond "saying it how it is" and will hopefully come very close to last place.
I don't agree with him on anti-vaxxers and, like Leon says, he's a bit of a dick but I do support his platform of anti-Wokeness and anti-cancel culture; I'd be buggered if I'd vote for Shaun Bailey as my first choice instead - so, it would be him.
Thankfully for you, though, I don't live in London anymore.
It's just completely irresponsible and whatever his other views are courting anti-vaxxers and validating them during a pandemic is not worthy of any votes.
I also think he's a bit scatter brained, easily distracted by the latest stupidity which has made him a reactionary rather than a visionary.
Anyway, this is London. It's the world's greatest city because people can live how they want. Wokeism simply doesn't effect my world at all, my workplace is simply immune and we've always had a policy of "if you don't like it, fuck off" which isn't going to change. My friends, family, colleagues - none of them really pay any attention to this shite, it's all "twitter nonsense" to the wider world.
My main two concerns in London are 1 - crime and 2 - housing, I think I'm in the majority in London. Wokeism or anything like that doesn't even register.
I wish it was just Twitter nonsense - sadly, in my industry it's not.
I'm jealous of you. My workplace is utterly infested with it, and it's definitely affected my career. I see it every single day, and it's getting worse. My bosses are now talking about launching "campaigns" this year that "live to their values" - ie their opinions. I had yet another awkward conversation with HR today where she was being disingenuous.
Maybe I should come and work for you?
I have also never witnessed any workspace woke stuff, or much woke stuff anywhere at all really despite living among the lesbian yoghurt-knitters of Hackney.
There’s a lot on Twitter, but that’s full of all sorts of shit.
I find it bizarre that it seems to be blighting you.
Casino is right. It is slowly making its way through the industries. It started in academe (of course), and is still at its worst there. Absolute carnage, esp in America
It has now moved into the media, the arts, social media, the police, and so on.
And Wokeness is very different to traditional PC concerns. It isn't just disdainful of contrary opinions, it does not allow them, it demands that EVERYONE publicly submits to this one narrow ideology. It is dangerous. But Lefties refuse to see that (until it comes after them, and then they realise their error, too late - eg feminists in the trans-TERF wars)
I feel judged for not clarifying that my “chosen pronouns” are “he/his” in my email signature. It’s annoying.
Maybe you shouldn't be such a snowflake?
I have never put pronouns in my email signature either and I have never felt remotely judged.
I take it from your reply that you assume I’m the sort who uses “snowflake” as an insult himself. I am not. I am the sort of person who is socially liberal but gets fed up of some of this nonsense and is driven away from my natural political home. I feel judged, because I am judged - I continually get asked to add it.
I’m being forced to politically align with social conservatives and I don’t like it.
Well done you. Mrs Dumbosaurus (from Zambia originally) was not persuaded to vote by my "hundreds of Rhodesians died during WW2 so that Brits could have free elections" line.
As for me, I went Tory for the local councils (cause I told the candidate who was the same for both I would vote for him) and Labour for PCC (I think that the Tory would have been better overall but the man in his manifesto was pleased... nay... PROUD ffs - that he had purchased two speed camera vans. I wasn't going to endorse that)
Whereabouts in Zambia? Mrs Foxy was brought up in Ndola. Many fond memories from before the economic problems of the late Seventies and Eighties.
Why on Earth would anyone vote “Lozza”? I think we can safely ignore Leon’s attempts to pose as a sentient poster.
He'd have been my first choice in London too.
That's fairly disappointing tbh, CR. Lozza has become the worst kind of reactionary right wing rent-a-gob and has been courting anti-vaxxers. He goes well beyond "saying it how it is" and will hopefully come very close to last place.
I don't agree with him on anti-vaxxers and, like Leon says, he's a bit of a dick but I do support his platform of anti-Wokeness and anti-cancel culture; I'd be buggered if I'd vote for Shaun Bailey as my first choice instead - so, it would be him.
Thankfully for you, though, I don't live in London anymore.
It's just completely irresponsible and whatever his other views are courting anti-vaxxers and validating them during a pandemic is not worthy of any votes.
I also think he's a bit scatter brained, easily distracted by the latest stupidity which has made him a reactionary rather than a visionary.
Anyway, this is London. It's the world's greatest city because people can live how they want. Wokeism simply doesn't effect my world at all, my workplace is simply immune and we've always had a policy of "if you don't like it, fuck off" which isn't going to change. My friends, family, colleagues - none of them really pay any attention to this shite, it's all "twitter nonsense" to the wider world.
My main two concerns in London are 1 - crime and 2 - housing, I think I'm in the majority in London. Wokeism or anything like that doesn't even register.
I'm self-employed, so I can ignore wokeism. But, TBH, I haven't encountered it among fellow North London solicitors, who appear fairly small and large c Conservative, so far as I can tell.
Why on Earth would anyone vote “Lozza”? I think we can safely ignore Leon’s attempts to pose as a sentient poster.
He'd have been my first choice in London too.
That's fairly disappointing tbh, CR. Lozza has become the worst kind of reactionary right wing rent-a-gob and has been courting anti-vaxxers. He goes well beyond "saying it how it is" and will hopefully come very close to last place.
I don't agree with him on anti-vaxxers and, like Leon says, he's a bit of a dick but I do support his platform of anti-Wokeness and anti-cancel culture; I'd be buggered if I'd vote for Shaun Bailey as my first choice instead - so, it would be him.
Thankfully for you, though, I don't live in London anymore.
It's just completely irresponsible and whatever his other views are courting anti-vaxxers and validating them during a pandemic is not worthy of any votes.
I also think he's a bit scatter brained, easily distracted by the latest stupidity which has made him a reactionary rather than a visionary.
Anyway, this is London. It's the world's greatest city because people can live how they want. Wokeism simply doesn't effect my world at all, my workplace is simply immune and we've always had a policy of "if you don't like it, fuck off" which isn't going to change. My friends, family, colleagues - none of them really pay any attention to this shite, it's all "twitter nonsense" to the wider world.
My main two concerns in London are 1 - crime and 2 - housing, I think I'm in the majority in London. Wokeism or anything like that doesn't even register.
I wish it was just Twitter nonsense - sadly, in my industry it's not.
I'm jealous of you. My workplace is utterly infested with it, and it's definitely affected my career. I see it every single day, and it's getting worse. My bosses are now talking about launching "campaigns" this year that "live to their values" - ie their opinions. I had yet another awkward conversation with HR today where she was being disingenuous.
Maybe I should come and work for you?
I have also never witnessed any workspace woke stuff, or much woke stuff anywhere at all really despite living among the lesbian yoghurt-knitters of Hackney.
There’s a lot on Twitter, but that’s full of all sorts of shit.
I find it bizarre that it seems to be blighting you.
Oh God, the "it's all on Twitter" stuff again.
This gets so tedious going through this and reexplaining it night after night.
I think they are genuinely clueless about Woke. See Robert Smithson's remarkably dim and myopic comments about Wokery in American education.
He thought it was confined to "just one school in New York". Jesus
I am trying to work out why they are so blinkered. My guess it is generally just luck: they work in STEMy financey industries that attract geeks - which are so far largely unaffected by all this.
Anyone in the arts knows how real and menacing it is. Publishing, for example. is being roiled. Writers are cancelled all over the place. Rivals use cancel culture to take down enemies. Vicious. And it is often Left-on-Left. Same in TV and movies, if not worse, I have friends at the Beeb with hair-raising stories
They will feel different when it enters their professions, which it will eventually, if nothing changes
So, I voted Lib Dem. I'm now on the gin as I try and come to terms with it.
Do I get a free pair of sandals now from OGH or @IanB2 ?
You're getting a volley of abuse from HYUFD for rejecting the faith.
In fairness, I could only bring myself to half-vote Lib Dem - so I did so with just one "slash", not a cross, and I defaced my ballot with "END COVID LAWS" as well.
I don't care too much if it's counted or not. And I totally defaced my PCC ballot paper.
Yes, it's childish, but it's my vote and it's a silly year so... a plague on all your houses.
What is the social etiquette about saying “a plague on all your houses” during a pandemic?
So anyway, are any of the mayorals likely to change hands at all? Apparently West Midlands and Tees won't, we know Liverpool, Manchester, London and Sheffield won't. Cambridgeshire didn't seem close last time so probably not now, nor the North of TYne.
Is it only West of England in play? It was 52/48 last time, but the other Tories in that situation are doing fine.
How very dull.
No North of Tyne vote today, unfortunately. I would have loved to kick Jamie Driscoll out.
Casino voting for Lozza Fox is just sad. His views on everything I now question if anyone sane can vote for that nutjob
I didn't vote for him, you tedious dipstick.
I said I *would* have voted for him had I lived in London.
It's like someone on the centre-left voting for Count Binface - it sends a message.
The fact you’d even consider it is depressing.
I really stand by what I said, I guess this is what happens when you spend your time on DailyMail.co.uk
Perhaps, if I did read the Daily Mail online.
Maybe one day you'll get tired of being wrong.
As long as I don’t end up miserable like you, my life will have been worth living
Not miserable mate. You're the one in a political rut trying to figure out what it's all about and, more importantly, what you're all about.
When you do, you'll find the way - and you'll feel much more comfortable with yourself.
I’ll be satisfied that whatever happens, I won’t be as condescending as you, off for a beer
You're happy to dish out snide remarks and make sweeping judgements on others on here, usually emotionally charged, but you just can't take it the other way.
Enjoy your beer. Hope you reflect some too.
Lots of hard left on here can give it but not take it.
There are 'lots on the hard left on here'? News to me.
No-one seems to have mentioned how the LibDems might fare tonight. There surely has to be a real risk their councillor base gets significantly eroded yet again, if Tories and Labour are polling better than 2016/2017?
The Thrasher scenarios yesterday had only one out of three seeing an increase in LD seats, and then not by much. Could be a rough night again - two party politics seems to have firmed up in the last 5-6 years, and the LDs still cannot break back through (and if they couldn't when Corbyn led Labour to a terrible result, when can they?)
I'm very much with @MaxPB - I simply haven't seen a single *real* piece of woke in real life. I realise that I shouldn't trust my own eyes and ears, and should rely entirely on Twitter, but that is my reality at work, at home, and with my kids education.
My employer runs a course on micro-aggressions. Does that count as woke?
Why on Earth would anyone vote “Lozza”? I think we can safely ignore Leon’s attempts to pose as a sentient poster.
He'd have been my first choice in London too.
That's fairly disappointing tbh, CR. Lozza has become the worst kind of reactionary right wing rent-a-gob and has been courting anti-vaxxers. He goes well beyond "saying it how it is" and will hopefully come very close to last place.
I don't agree with him on anti-vaxxers and, like Leon says, he's a bit of a dick but I do support his platform of anti-Wokeness and anti-cancel culture; I'd be buggered if I'd vote for Shaun Bailey as my first choice instead - so, it would be him.
Thankfully for you, though, I don't live in London anymore.
It's just completely irresponsible and whatever his other views are courting anti-vaxxers and validating them during a pandemic is not worthy of any votes.
I also think he's a bit scatter brained, easily distracted by the latest stupidity which has made him a reactionary rather than a visionary.
Anyway, this is London. It's the world's greatest city because people can live how they want. Wokeism simply doesn't effect my world at all, my workplace is simply immune and we've always had a policy of "if you don't like it, fuck off" which isn't going to change. My friends, family, colleagues - none of them really pay any attention to this shite, it's all "twitter nonsense" to the wider world.
My main two concerns in London are 1 - crime and 2 - housing, I think I'm in the majority in London. Wokeism or anything like that doesn't even register.
I wish it was just Twitter nonsense - sadly, in my industry it's not.
I'm jealous of you. My workplace is utterly infested with it, and it's definitely affected my career. I see it every single day, and it's getting worse. My bosses are now talking about launching "campaigns" this year that "live to their values" - ie their opinions. I had yet another awkward conversation with HR today where she was being disingenuous.
Maybe I should come and work for you?
I have also never witnessed any workspace woke stuff, or much woke stuff anywhere at all really despite living among the lesbian yoghurt-knitters of Hackney.
There’s a lot on Twitter, but that’s full of all sorts of shit.
I find it bizarre that it seems to be blighting you.
Casino is right. It is slowly making its way through the industries. It started in academe (of course), and is still at its worst there. Absolute carnage, esp in America
It has now moved into the media, the arts, social media, the police, and so on.
And Wokeness is very different to traditional PC concerns. It isn't just disdainful of contrary opinions, it does not allow them, it demands that EVERYONE publicly submits to this one narrow ideology. It is dangerous. But Lefties refuse to see that (until it comes after them, and then they realise their error, too late - eg feminists in the trans-TERF wars)
I feel judged for not clarifying that my “chosen pronouns” are “he/his” in my email signature. It’s annoying.
Maybe you shouldn't be such a snowflake?
I have never put pronouns in my email signature either and I have never felt remotely judged.
I take it from your reply that you assume I’m the sort who uses “snowflake” as an insult himself. I am not. I am the sort of person who is socially liberal but gets fed up of some of this nonsense and is driven away from my natural political home. I feel judged, because I am judged - I continually get asked to add it.
I’m being forced to politically align with social conservatives and I don’t like it.
Why on Earth would anyone vote “Lozza”? I think we can safely ignore Leon’s attempts to pose as a sentient poster.
He'd have been my first choice in London too.
That's fairly disappointing tbh, CR. Lozza has become the worst kind of reactionary right wing rent-a-gob and has been courting anti-vaxxers. He goes well beyond "saying it how it is" and will hopefully come very close to last place.
I don't agree with him on anti-vaxxers and, like Leon says, he's a bit of a dick but I do support his platform of anti-Wokeness and anti-cancel culture; I'd be buggered if I'd vote for Shaun Bailey as my first choice instead - so, it would be him.
Thankfully for you, though, I don't live in London anymore.
It's just completely irresponsible and whatever his other views are courting anti-vaxxers and validating them during a pandemic is not worthy of any votes.
I also think he's a bit scatter brained, easily distracted by the latest stupidity which has made him a reactionary rather than a visionary.
Anyway, this is London. It's the world's greatest city because people can live how they want. Wokeism simply doesn't effect my world at all, my workplace is simply immune and we've always had a policy of "if you don't like it, fuck off" which isn't going to change. My friends, family, colleagues - none of them really pay any attention to this shite, it's all "twitter nonsense" to the wider world.
My main two concerns in London are 1 - crime and 2 - housing, I think I'm in the majority in London. Wokeism or anything like that doesn't even register.
I wish it was just Twitter nonsense - sadly, in my industry it's not.
I'm jealous of you. My workplace is utterly infested with it, and it's definitely affected my career. I see it every single day, and it's getting worse. My bosses are now talking about launching "campaigns" this year that "live to their values" - ie their opinions. I had yet another awkward conversation with HR today where she was being disingenuous.
Maybe I should come and work for you?
I have also never witnessed any workspace woke stuff, or much woke stuff anywhere at all really despite living among the lesbian yoghurt-knitters of Hackney.
There’s a lot on Twitter, but that’s full of all sorts of shit.
I find it bizarre that it seems to be blighting you.
I was once given a verbal warning for innocently referring to someone as a scouser. “Which guy from IT came round earlier?” “You know Mike, the scouse guy”.
This was 20 years ago pre wokism.
Why would this be a problem? Even now?
Unless the guy is trying to pretend he is a something-else, like all those actor-musicky-arty types who changed their northern accents to be southern.
Why on Earth would anyone vote “Lozza”? I think we can safely ignore Leon’s attempts to pose as a sentient poster.
He'd have been my first choice in London too.
That's fairly disappointing tbh, CR. Lozza has become the worst kind of reactionary right wing rent-a-gob and has been courting anti-vaxxers. He goes well beyond "saying it how it is" and will hopefully come very close to last place.
I don't agree with him on anti-vaxxers and, like Leon says, he's a bit of a dick but I do support his platform of anti-Wokeness and anti-cancel culture; I'd be buggered if I'd vote for Shaun Bailey as my first choice instead - so, it would be him.
Thankfully for you, though, I don't live in London anymore.
It's just completely irresponsible and whatever his other views are courting anti-vaxxers and validating them during a pandemic is not worthy of any votes.
I also think he's a bit scatter brained, easily distracted by the latest stupidity which has made him a reactionary rather than a visionary.
Anyway, this is London. It's the world's greatest city because people can live how they want. Wokeism simply doesn't effect my world at all, my workplace is simply immune and we've always had a policy of "if you don't like it, fuck off" which isn't going to change. My friends, family, colleagues - none of them really pay any attention to this shite, it's all "twitter nonsense" to the wider world.
My main two concerns in London are 1 - crime and 2 - housing, I think I'm in the majority in London. Wokeism or anything like that doesn't even register.
I wish it was just Twitter nonsense - sadly, in my industry it's not.
I'm jealous of you. My workplace is utterly infested with it, and it's definitely affected my career. I see it every single day, and it's getting worse. My bosses are now talking about launching "campaigns" this year that "live to their values" - ie their opinions. I had yet another awkward conversation with HR today where she was being disingenuous.
Maybe I should come and work for you?
I think maybe you need to go into an industry that doesn't give a shite about this stuff. Banking and finance is usually a pretty good bet. I think the most "woke" we've had is someone getting a HR ticking off for using the word "pikey" in a presentation, and even that was "don't put it in a presentation".
One experience I had: I presented to the boards of civil servants for the house of lords and house of commons and got a public (and angry) bollocking from one of them on the call who decided to grandstand because my main governance committee of 9 X directors had not a single female on it.
That was because, at that stage, they'd recruited only three people to the programme - all of whom were men - and the rest of the posts were "TBC". *They* did, not me, but I took a bollocking amongst 20 people on the call with the two co-chairs (both white men) saying "very good point, Amy" (not her real name) and was made to look like a misogynist tit, with no support, and then I fluffed the rest of my lines as I tried to manage my incredulation. Cowards.
Wokeness.
Honestly, at that moment I would have just interjected and pointed out that TBC doesn't mean male, made her feel stupid and moved on. Taken whatever wrap on the knuckles back at base. Being a c*** to prospective clients works better than most people realise as the ones making the decisions tend to go with the company that won't bullshit them.
Why on Earth would anyone vote “Lozza”? I think we can safely ignore Leon’s attempts to pose as a sentient poster.
He'd have been my first choice in London too.
That's fairly disappointing tbh, CR. Lozza has become the worst kind of reactionary right wing rent-a-gob and has been courting anti-vaxxers. He goes well beyond "saying it how it is" and will hopefully come very close to last place.
I don't agree with him on anti-vaxxers and, like Leon says, he's a bit of a dick but I do support his platform of anti-Wokeness and anti-cancel culture; I'd be buggered if I'd vote for Shaun Bailey as my first choice instead - so, it would be him.
Thankfully for you, though, I don't live in London anymore.
It's just completely irresponsible and whatever his other views are courting anti-vaxxers and validating them during a pandemic is not worthy of any votes.
I also think he's a bit scatter brained, easily distracted by the latest stupidity which has made him a reactionary rather than a visionary.
Anyway, this is London. It's the world's greatest city because people can live how they want. Wokeism simply doesn't effect my world at all, my workplace is simply immune and we've always had a policy of "if you don't like it, fuck off" which isn't going to change. My friends, family, colleagues - none of them really pay any attention to this shite, it's all "twitter nonsense" to the wider world.
My main two concerns in London are 1 - crime and 2 - housing, I think I'm in the majority in London. Wokeism or anything like that doesn't even register.
I wish it was just Twitter nonsense - sadly, in my industry it's not.
I'm jealous of you. My workplace is utterly infested with it, and it's definitely affected my career. I see it every single day, and it's getting worse. My bosses are now talking about launching "campaigns" this year that "live to their values" - ie their opinions. I had yet another awkward conversation with HR today where she was being disingenuous.
Maybe I should come and work for you?
I have also never witnessed any workspace woke stuff, or much woke stuff anywhere at all really despite living among the lesbian yoghurt-knitters of Hackney.
There’s a lot on Twitter, but that’s full of all sorts of shit.
I find it bizarre that it seems to be blighting you.
Oh God, the "it's all on Twitter" stuff again.
This gets so tedious going through this and reexplaining it night after night.
I think they are genuinely clueless about Woke. See Robert Smithson's remarkably dim and myopic comments about Wokery in American education.
He thought it was confined to "just one school in New York". Jesus
I am trying to work out why they are so blinkered. My guess it is generally just luck: they work in STEMy financey industries that attract geeks - which are so far largely unaffected by all this.
Anyone in the arts knows how real and menacing it is. Publishing, for example. is being roiled. Writers are cancelled all over the place. Rivals use cancel culture to take down enemies. Vicious. And it is often Left-on-Left. Same in TV and movies, if not worse, I have friends at the Beeb with hair-raising stories
They will feel different when it enters their professions, which it will eventually, if nothing changes
I'm sceptical of what I don't see with my own eyes.
I also know several parents of Brentwood School kids and have reached out to discover the veracity of your story. Because the reality is that I have seen literally nothing.
Now, it's possible my children are hiding stuff from me. But I doubt it.
More rumours of a Labour clusterfuck in Sunderland tonight - and they're also counting straight away so it might be a very early amuse bouche for Hartlepool in the morning.
Any rumours from Durham ? They seem to be campaigning defensively today.
Problems for Labour but lots of independents could mask the effect.
Why on Earth would anyone vote “Lozza”? I think we can safely ignore Leon’s attempts to pose as a sentient poster.
He'd have been my first choice in London too.
That's fairly disappointing tbh, CR. Lozza has become the worst kind of reactionary right wing rent-a-gob and has been courting anti-vaxxers. He goes well beyond "saying it how it is" and will hopefully come very close to last place.
I don't agree with him on anti-vaxxers and, like Leon says, he's a bit of a dick but I do support his platform of anti-Wokeness and anti-cancel culture; I'd be buggered if I'd vote for Shaun Bailey as my first choice instead - so, it would be him.
Thankfully for you, though, I don't live in London anymore.
It's just completely irresponsible and whatever his other views are courting anti-vaxxers and validating them during a pandemic is not worthy of any votes.
I also think he's a bit scatter brained, easily distracted by the latest stupidity which has made him a reactionary rather than a visionary.
Anyway, this is London. It's the world's greatest city because people can live how they want. Wokeism simply doesn't effect my world at all, my workplace is simply immune and we've always had a policy of "if you don't like it, fuck off" which isn't going to change. My friends, family, colleagues - none of them really pay any attention to this shite, it's all "twitter nonsense" to the wider world.
My main two concerns in London are 1 - crime and 2 - housing, I think I'm in the majority in London. Wokeism or anything like that doesn't even register.
I wish it was just Twitter nonsense - sadly, in my industry it's not.
I'm jealous of you. My workplace is utterly infested with it, and it's definitely affected my career. I see it every single day, and it's getting worse. My bosses are now talking about launching "campaigns" this year that "live to their values" - ie their opinions. I had yet another awkward conversation with HR today where she was being disingenuous.
Maybe I should come and work for you?
I have also never witnessed any workspace woke stuff, or much woke stuff anywhere at all really despite living among the lesbian yoghurt-knitters of Hackney.
There’s a lot on Twitter, but that’s full of all sorts of shit.
I find it bizarre that it seems to be blighting you.
Casino is right. It is slowly making its way through the industries. It started in academe (of course), and is still at its worst there. Absolute carnage, esp in America
It has now moved into the media, the arts, social media, the police, and so on.
And Wokeness is very different to traditional PC concerns. It isn't just disdainful of contrary opinions, it does not allow them, it demands that EVERYONE publicly submits to this one narrow ideology. It is dangerous. But Lefties refuse to see that (until it comes after them, and then they realise their error, too late - eg feminists in the trans-TERF wars)
I feel judged for not clarifying that my “chosen pronouns” are “he/his” in my email signature. It’s annoying.
Maybe you shouldn't be such a snowflake?
I have never put pronouns in my email signature either and I have never felt remotely judged.
I take it from your reply that you assume I’m the sort who uses “snowflake” as an insult himself. I am not. I am the sort of person who is socially liberal but gets fed up of some of this nonsense and is driven away from my natural political home. I feel judged, because I am judged - I continually get asked to add it.
I’m being forced to politically align with social conservatives and I don’t like it.
Who's asking you? HR? and roughly what industry? I'm genuinely interested.
Well done you. Mrs Dumbosaurus (from Zambia originally) was not persuaded to vote by my "hundreds of Rhodesians died during WW2 so that Brits could have free elections" line.
As for me, I went Tory for the local councils (cause I told the candidate who was the same for both I would vote for him) and Labour for PCC (I think that the Tory would have been better overall but the man in his manifesto was pleased... nay... PROUD ffs - that he had purchased two speed camera vans. I wasn't going to endorse that)
Whereabouts in Zambia? Mrs Foxy was brought up in Ndola. Many fond memories from before the economic problems of the late Seventies and Eighties.
She was born in Ndola! Spent the largest part of her life in Kabwe.
Why on Earth would anyone vote “Lozza”? I think we can safely ignore Leon’s attempts to pose as a sentient poster.
He'd have been my first choice in London too.
That's fairly disappointing tbh, CR. Lozza has become the worst kind of reactionary right wing rent-a-gob and has been courting anti-vaxxers. He goes well beyond "saying it how it is" and will hopefully come very close to last place.
I don't agree with him on anti-vaxxers and, like Leon says, he's a bit of a dick but I do support his platform of anti-Wokeness and anti-cancel culture; I'd be buggered if I'd vote for Shaun Bailey as my first choice instead - so, it would be him.
Thankfully for you, though, I don't live in London anymore.
It's just completely irresponsible and whatever his other views are courting anti-vaxxers and validating them during a pandemic is not worthy of any votes.
I also think he's a bit scatter brained, easily distracted by the latest stupidity which has made him a reactionary rather than a visionary.
Anyway, this is London. It's the world's greatest city because people can live how they want. Wokeism simply doesn't effect my world at all, my workplace is simply immune and we've always had a policy of "if you don't like it, fuck off" which isn't going to change. My friends, family, colleagues - none of them really pay any attention to this shite, it's all "twitter nonsense" to the wider world.
My main two concerns in London are 1 - crime and 2 - housing, I think I'm in the majority in London. Wokeism or anything like that doesn't even register.
I wish it was just Twitter nonsense - sadly, in my industry it's not.
I'm jealous of you. My workplace is utterly infested with it, and it's definitely affected my career. I see it every single day, and it's getting worse. My bosses are now talking about launching "campaigns" this year that "live to their values" - ie their opinions. I had yet another awkward conversation with HR today where she was being disingenuous.
Maybe I should come and work for you?
I have also never witnessed any workspace woke stuff, or much woke stuff anywhere at all really despite living among the lesbian yoghurt-knitters of Hackney.
There’s a lot on Twitter, but that’s full of all sorts of shit.
I find it bizarre that it seems to be blighting you.
I was once given a verbal warning for innocently referring to someone as a scouser. “Which guy from IT came round earlier?” “You know Mike, the scouse guy”.
This was 20 years ago pre wokism.
Be fine in my workplace too. Despite being in a youthful department, which is as multicultural as possible, from devout Muslims to married lesbians, I have never encountered anyone concerned by "Wokism", either for or against. I only encounter the obsession here, I don't even encounter it much on twitter.
Ditto. But then we do have Wokefinder General Leon on here don't we?
I'm very much with @MaxPB - I simply haven't seen a single *real* piece of woke in real life. I realise that I shouldn't trust my own eyes and ears, and should rely entirely on Twitter, but that is my reality at work, at home, and with my kids education.
My employer runs a course on micro-aggressions. Does that count as woke?
I wonder how many nurses that could pay for ? Or free school dinners.
From an industry that loves to tell everybody else how wrong they are, we have today this signed letter saying it is rife with abuse and bullying and we already know about all the cases of tax efficient schemes so many of them love to use.
So anyway, are any of the mayorals likely to change hands at all? Apparently West Midlands and Tees won't, we know Liverpool, Manchester, London and Sheffield won't. Cambridgeshire didn't seem close last time so probably not now, nor the North of TYne.
Is it only West of England in play? It was 52/48 last time, but the other Tories in that situation are doing fine.
How very dull.
No North of Tyne vote today, unfortunately. I would have loved to kick Jamie Driscoll out.
Aren’t they unifying with south of Tyne in the near future ?
Why on Earth would anyone vote “Lozza”? I think we can safely ignore Leon’s attempts to pose as a sentient poster.
He'd have been my first choice in London too.
That's fairly disappointing tbh, CR. Lozza has become the worst kind of reactionary right wing rent-a-gob and has been courting anti-vaxxers. He goes well beyond "saying it how it is" and will hopefully come very close to last place.
I can't find any example of him "race baiting". Do show, I am happy to be schooled
He was very keen on the "All Lives Matter" meme in response to BLM, I recall. You may not think of this as race-baiting, though I do. It was a meme shared by many on the far, far right.
He’s a dog-whistler.
He’s “All Lives Matter”, he’s “There we’re no Sikhs in WW1”, he’s “people who say I have white privilege are RACIST”.
Then he called for a boycott of Sainsbury’s because they celebrated Black History Month.
These are in one sense banal comments, maybe even arguable case by case, but in essence he is trying to appeal to the bigot vote.
And while he probably started down this path inadvertently, he’s realised it generated a lot of attention, so he’s moving on to anti-vax flirtation and climate change scepticism.
AND he’s a really shit musician.
So, no evidence of Mosleyite race-baiting, just some "arguable opinions". On the other hand, he IS a shit musician
Oh-kay
The shit musicianship is critical. It was so bad it was an internet meme for a while. Here’s a “version” for your private wankbank.
As I said before during and after, Brexit was the remaking of politics, the end of the Thatcher-Blair era and the start of a new one. We have reshaped politics with Brexit, and now we have new parties in old places.
The old Labour party is now the Johnsonite Tory party. Johnson's political platform is what Labour's used to be. Contrary to that, Starmer's Labour party is what the Tories used to be. The labels have changed, the politics have not.
They're voting Tory because the Tories offer what Labour used to offer. They're rejecting Labour because they represent what the Tories used to represent.
I don't see Labour as representing what the Conservatives used to offer.
I think Brexit has not so much remade politics as cemented trends that began in 1979. A lot of historic Conservative seats fell in the Thatcher/Major years, and a lot of historic Labour seats moved in the opposite direction.
Why on Earth would anyone vote “Lozza”? I think we can safely ignore Leon’s attempts to pose as a sentient poster.
He'd have been my first choice in London too.
That's fairly disappointing tbh, CR. Lozza has become the worst kind of reactionary right wing rent-a-gob and has been courting anti-vaxxers. He goes well beyond "saying it how it is" and will hopefully come very close to last place.
I don't agree with him on anti-vaxxers and, like Leon says, he's a bit of a dick but I do support his platform of anti-Wokeness and anti-cancel culture; I'd be buggered if I'd vote for Shaun Bailey as my first choice instead - so, it would be him.
Thankfully for you, though, I don't live in London anymore.
It's just completely irresponsible and whatever his other views are courting anti-vaxxers and validating them during a pandemic is not worthy of any votes.
I also think he's a bit scatter brained, easily distracted by the latest stupidity which has made him a reactionary rather than a visionary.
Anyway, this is London. It's the world's greatest city because people can live how they want. Wokeism simply doesn't effect my world at all, my workplace is simply immune and we've always had a policy of "if you don't like it, fuck off" which isn't going to change. My friends, family, colleagues - none of them really pay any attention to this shite, it's all "twitter nonsense" to the wider world.
My main two concerns in London are 1 - crime and 2 - housing, I think I'm in the majority in London. Wokeism or anything like that doesn't even register.
I wish it was just Twitter nonsense - sadly, in my industry it's not.
I'm jealous of you. My workplace is utterly infested with it, and it's definitely affected my career. I see it every single day, and it's getting worse. My bosses are now talking about launching "campaigns" this year that "live to their values" - ie their opinions. I had yet another awkward conversation with HR today where she was being disingenuous.
Maybe I should come and work for you?
I have also never witnessed any workspace woke stuff, or much woke stuff anywhere at all really despite living among the lesbian yoghurt-knitters of Hackney.
There’s a lot on Twitter, but that’s full of all sorts of shit.
I find it bizarre that it seems to be blighting you.
Oh God, the "it's all on Twitter" stuff again.
This gets so tedious going through this and reexplaining it night after night.
I think they are genuinely clueless about Woke. See Robert Smithson's remarkably dim and myopic comments about Wokery in American education.
He thought it was confined to "just one school in New York". Jesus
I am trying to work out why they are so blinkered. My guess it is generally just luck: they work in STEMy financey industries that attract geeks - which are so far largely unaffected by all this.
Anyone in the arts knows how real and menacing it is. Publishing, for example. is being roiled. Writers are cancelled all over the place. Rivals use cancel culture to take down enemies. Vicious. And it is often Left-on-Left. Same in TV and movies, if not worse, I have friends at the Beeb with hair-raising stories
They will feel different when it enters their professions, which it will eventually, if nothing changes
Yes, I work mainly with the public sector and local authorities - and quite London centric at that - together with a company run by campaigning ultra-liberal Remainer soft lefties so am exposed to a lot of it.
What yanks my chain is when they insinuate I'm making it up.
Well done you. Mrs Dumbosaurus (from Zambia originally) was not persuaded to vote by my "hundreds of Rhodesians died during WW2 so that Brits could have free elections" line.
As for me, I went Tory for the local councils (cause I told the candidate who was the same for both I would vote for him) and Labour for PCC (I think that the Tory would have been better overall but the man in his manifesto was pleased... nay... PROUD ffs - that he had purchased two speed camera vans. I wasn't going to endorse that)
I'm very much with @MaxPB - I simply haven't seen a single *real* piece of woke in real life. I realise that I shouldn't trust my own eyes and ears, and should rely entirely on Twitter, but that is my reality at work, at home, and with my kids education.
My employer runs a course on micro-aggressions. Does that count as woke?
Why on Earth would anyone vote “Lozza”? I think we can safely ignore Leon’s attempts to pose as a sentient poster.
He'd have been my first choice in London too.
That's fairly disappointing tbh, CR. Lozza has become the worst kind of reactionary right wing rent-a-gob and has been courting anti-vaxxers. He goes well beyond "saying it how it is" and will hopefully come very close to last place.
I don't agree with him on anti-vaxxers and, like Leon says, he's a bit of a dick but I do support his platform of anti-Wokeness and anti-cancel culture; I'd be buggered if I'd vote for Shaun Bailey as my first choice instead - so, it would be him.
Thankfully for you, though, I don't live in London anymore.
It's just completely irresponsible and whatever his other views are courting anti-vaxxers and validating them during a pandemic is not worthy of any votes.
I also think he's a bit scatter brained, easily distracted by the latest stupidity which has made him a reactionary rather than a visionary.
Anyway, this is London. It's the world's greatest city because people can live how they want. Wokeism simply doesn't effect my world at all, my workplace is simply immune and we've always had a policy of "if you don't like it, fuck off" which isn't going to change. My friends, family, colleagues - none of them really pay any attention to this shite, it's all "twitter nonsense" to the wider world.
My main two concerns in London are 1 - crime and 2 - housing, I think I'm in the majority in London. Wokeism or anything like that doesn't even register.
I wish it was just Twitter nonsense - sadly, in my industry it's not.
I'm jealous of you. My workplace is utterly infested with it, and it's definitely affected my career. I see it every single day, and it's getting worse. My bosses are now talking about launching "campaigns" this year that "live to their values" - ie their opinions. I had yet another awkward conversation with HR today where she was being disingenuous.
Maybe I should come and work for you?
I have also never witnessed any workspace woke stuff, or much woke stuff anywhere at all really despite living among the lesbian yoghurt-knitters of Hackney.
There’s a lot on Twitter, but that’s full of all sorts of shit.
I find it bizarre that it seems to be blighting you.
Oh God, the "it's all on Twitter" stuff again.
This gets so tedious going through this and reexplaining it night after night.
I think they are genuinely clueless about Woke. See Robert Smithson's remarkably dim and myopic comments about Wokery in American education.
He thought it was confined to "just one school in New York". Jesus
I am trying to work out why they are so blinkered. My guess it is generally just luck: they work in STEMy financey industries that attract geeks - which are so far largely unaffected by all this.
Anyone in the arts knows how real and menacing it is. Publishing, for example. is being roiled. Writers are cancelled all over the place. Rivals use cancel culture to take down enemies. Vicious. And it is often Left-on-Left. Same in TV and movies, if not worse, I have friends at the Beeb with hair-raising stories
They will feel different when it enters their professions, which it will eventually, if nothing changes
It is confined to a few schools in America. You go trawling the internet looking for stuff to piss you off and you've gone deep down the woke rabbit hole. In a country of 340 million people there's going to be more than a few idiots doing stupid shit. Go trawling for it and you'll find it.
I could, if I had the interest, go trawling for dumb religious shit that happens in America and it would massively massively outnumber the dumb woke stuff that you trawl for. It won't even be difficult at all trying to find schools in America doing stupid stuff because of religion.
What does that prove though? Other than someone has a hobby of trawling for idiots.
Why on Earth would anyone vote “Lozza”? I think we can safely ignore Leon’s attempts to pose as a sentient poster.
He'd have been my first choice in London too.
That's fairly disappointing tbh, CR. Lozza has become the worst kind of reactionary right wing rent-a-gob and has been courting anti-vaxxers. He goes well beyond "saying it how it is" and will hopefully come very close to last place.
I don't agree with him on anti-vaxxers and, like Leon says, he's a bit of a dick but I do support his platform of anti-Wokeness and anti-cancel culture; I'd be buggered if I'd vote for Shaun Bailey as my first choice instead - so, it would be him.
Thankfully for you, though, I don't live in London anymore.
It's just completely irresponsible and whatever his other views are courting anti-vaxxers and validating them during a pandemic is not worthy of any votes.
I also think he's a bit scatter brained, easily distracted by the latest stupidity which has made him a reactionary rather than a visionary.
Anyway, this is London. It's the world's greatest city because people can live how they want. Wokeism simply doesn't effect my world at all, my workplace is simply immune and we've always had a policy of "if you don't like it, fuck off" which isn't going to change. My friends, family, colleagues - none of them really pay any attention to this shite, it's all "twitter nonsense" to the wider world.
My main two concerns in London are 1 - crime and 2 - housing, I think I'm in the majority in London. Wokeism or anything like that doesn't even register.
I wish it was just Twitter nonsense - sadly, in my industry it's not.
I'm jealous of you. My workplace is utterly infested with it, and it's definitely affected my career. I see it every single day, and it's getting worse. My bosses are now talking about launching "campaigns" this year that "live to their values" - ie their opinions. I had yet another awkward conversation with HR today where she was being disingenuous.
Maybe I should come and work for you?
I have also never witnessed any workspace woke stuff, or much woke stuff anywhere at all really despite living among the lesbian yoghurt-knitters of Hackney.
There’s a lot on Twitter, but that’s full of all sorts of shit.
I find it bizarre that it seems to be blighting you.
I was once given a verbal warning for innocently referring to someone as a scouser. “Which guy from IT came round earlier?” “You know Mike, the scouse guy”.
This was 20 years ago pre wokism.
Be fine in my workplace too. Despite being in a youthful department, which is as multicultural as possible, from devout Muslims to married lesbians, I have never encountered anyone concerned by "Wokism", either for or against. I only encounter the obsession here, I don't even encounter it much on twitter.
Ditto. But then we do have Wokefinder General Leon on here don't we?
I should be paid by the site for my thankless work, in alerting you all to impending dangers
More rumours of a Labour clusterfuck in Sunderland tonight - and they're also counting straight away so it might be a very early amuse bouche for Hartlepool in the morning.
Any rumours from Durham ? They seem to be campaigning defensively today.
Problems for Labour but lots of independents could mask the effect.
That’s what a Tory candidate on a durham Facebook group has said to me too. I half thought he was managing expectations.
Why on Earth would anyone vote “Lozza”? I think we can safely ignore Leon’s attempts to pose as a sentient poster.
He'd have been my first choice in London too.
That's fairly disappointing tbh, CR. Lozza has become the worst kind of reactionary right wing rent-a-gob and has been courting anti-vaxxers. He goes well beyond "saying it how it is" and will hopefully come very close to last place.
I can't find any example of him "race baiting". Do show, I am happy to be schooled
He was very keen on the "All Lives Matter" meme in response to BLM, I recall. You may not think of this as race-baiting, though I do. It was a meme shared by many on the far, far right.
To be fair, if you just heard the phrase "Black Lives Matter" out of any other context, the most obvious inference to be drawn is that, for the speaker, by their exclusion, other lives do not matter - or at very least do not matter as much. I think many people reacted badly to the phrase in the absence of context.
If, on the other hand, you hear the phrase in the context of "of course, all lives matter equally, but historically society has acted as if black lives do not matter, so when we say black lives matter, we are asserting that they do indeed matter as much as any other life" then the BLM phrase is not offensive, and indeed it is offensive not to agree with that sentiment.
And then you go on the Official Black Lives Matter website and you realise they are a Marxist cult that hates the police and wants to deconstruct the family
For a lot of us, that was the problem. By taking the knee you are, in effect, kneeling to corrosive Marxists, who are shamelessly using race as a way to delegitimize Western self-esteem (and make lots of money for themselves)
Official BLM are also anti-Semitic. Of course
Most Sinn Fein and IRA supporters had no idea they were Marxist either. When the collection tray was passed around in Boston for "The Boys", did people realise they were supporting an explicitly Marxist organization? Or did they just support Irish nationalism.
The IRA were good at presenting themselves as a Catholic nationalist movement in the US, and a left wing movement in the UK.
Why on Earth would anyone vote “Lozza”? I think we can safely ignore Leon’s attempts to pose as a sentient poster.
He'd have been my first choice in London too.
That's fairly disappointing tbh, CR. Lozza has become the worst kind of reactionary right wing rent-a-gob and has been courting anti-vaxxers. He goes well beyond "saying it how it is" and will hopefully come very close to last place.
I don't agree with him on anti-vaxxers and, like Leon says, he's a bit of a dick but I do support his platform of anti-Wokeness and anti-cancel culture; I'd be buggered if I'd vote for Shaun Bailey as my first choice instead - so, it would be him.
Thankfully for you, though, I don't live in London anymore.
It's just completely irresponsible and whatever his other views are courting anti-vaxxers and validating them during a pandemic is not worthy of any votes.
I also think he's a bit scatter brained, easily distracted by the latest stupidity which has made him a reactionary rather than a visionary.
Anyway, this is London. It's the world's greatest city because people can live how they want. Wokeism simply doesn't effect my world at all, my workplace is simply immune and we've always had a policy of "if you don't like it, fuck off" which isn't going to change. My friends, family, colleagues - none of them really pay any attention to this shite, it's all "twitter nonsense" to the wider world.
My main two concerns in London are 1 - crime and 2 - housing, I think I'm in the majority in London. Wokeism or anything like that doesn't even register.
I wish it was just Twitter nonsense - sadly, in my industry it's not.
I'm jealous of you. My workplace is utterly infested with it, and it's definitely affected my career. I see it every single day, and it's getting worse. My bosses are now talking about launching "campaigns" this year that "live to their values" - ie their opinions. I had yet another awkward conversation with HR today where she was being disingenuous.
Maybe I should come and work for you?
I have also never witnessed any workspace woke stuff, or much woke stuff anywhere at all really despite living among the lesbian yoghurt-knitters of Hackney.
There’s a lot on Twitter, but that’s full of all sorts of shit.
I find it bizarre that it seems to be blighting you.
Oh God, the "it's all on Twitter" stuff again.
This gets so tedious going through this and reexplaining it night after night.
I think they are genuinely clueless about Woke. See Robert Smithson's remarkably dim and myopic comments about Wokery in American education.
He thought it was confined to "just one school in New York". Jesus
I am trying to work out why they are so blinkered. My guess it is generally just luck: they work in STEMy financey industries that attract geeks - which are so far largely unaffected by all this.
Anyone in the arts knows how real and menacing it is. Publishing, for example. is being roiled. Writers are cancelled all over the place. Rivals use cancel culture to take down enemies. Vicious. And it is often Left-on-Left. Same in TV and movies, if not worse, I have friends at the Beeb with hair-raising stories
They will feel different when it enters their professions, which it will eventually, if nothing changes
Yes, I work mainly with the public sector and local authorities - and quite London centric at that - together with a company run by campaigning ultra-liberal Remainer soft lefties so am exposed to a lot of it.
What yanks my chain is when they insinuate I'm making it up.
I think that's the issue here, it's a real private vs public sector thing. As a private sector worker that operates mainly in public contracting I think you're going to see it a lot more. Public sector workers simply have too much time on their hands. They come up with a bunch of bullshit rules becuase they just have nothing better to do.
Why on Earth would anyone vote “Lozza”? I think we can safely ignore Leon’s attempts to pose as a sentient poster.
He'd have been my first choice in London too.
That's fairly disappointing tbh, CR. Lozza has become the worst kind of reactionary rigplace.
I don't agree with him on anti-vaxxers and, like Leon says, he's a bit of a dick but I do support his platform of anti-Wokeness and anti-cancel culture; I'd be buggered if I'd vote for Shaun Bailey as my first choice instead - so, it would be him.
Thankfully for you, though, I don't live in London anymore.
It's just completely irresponsible and whatever his other views are courting anti-vaxxers and validating them during a pandemic is not worthy of any votes.
I also think he's a bit scatter brained, easily distracted by the latest stupidity which has made him a reactionary rather than a visionary.
Anyway, this is London. It's the world's greatest city because people can live how they want. Wokeism simply doesn't effect my world at all, my workplace is simply immune and we've always had a policy of "if you don't like it, fuck off" which isn't going to change. My friends, family, colleagues - none of them really pay any attention to this shite, it's all "twitter nonsense" to the wider world.
My main two concerns in London are 1 - crime and 2 - housing, I think I'm in the majority in London. Wokeism or anything like that doesn't even register.
I wish it was just Twitter nonsense - sadly, in my industry it's not.
I'm jealous of you. My workplace is utterly infested with it, and it's definitely affected my career. I see it every single day, and it's getting worse. My bosses are now talking about launching "campaigns" this year that "live to their values" - ie their opinions. I had yet another awkward conversation with HR today where she was being disingenuous.
Maybe I should come and work for you?
I have also never witnessed any workspace woke stuff, or much woke stuff anywhere at all really despite living among the lesbian yoghurt-knitters of Hackney.
There’s a lot on Twitter, but that’s full of all sorts of shit.
I find it bizarre that it seems to be blighting you.
Casino is right. It is slowly making its way through the industries. It started in academe (of course), and is still at its worst there. Absolute carnage, esp in America
It has now moved into the media, the arts, social media, the police, and so on.
And Wokeness is very different to traditional PC concerns. It isn't just disdainful of contrary opinions, it does not allow them, it demands that EVERYONE publicly submits to this one narrow ideology. It is dangerous. But Lefties refuse to see that (until it comes after them, and then they realise their error, too late - eg feminists in the trans-TERF wars)
I feel judged for not clarifying that my “chosen pronouns” are “he/his” in my email signature. It’s annoying.
Maybe you shouldn't be such a snowflake?
I have never put pronouns in my email signature either and I have never felt remotely judged.
I take it from your reply that you assume I’m the sort who uses “snowflake” as an insult himself. I am not. I am the sort of person who is socially liberal but gets fed up of some of this nonsense and is driven away from my natural political home. I feel judged, because I am judged - I continually get asked to add it.
I’m being forced to politically align with social conservatives and I don’t like it.
What industry do you work in?
In and around charities/public sector. It’s part of a race to be seen to be leading the curve I think - and the pressure to do such things is from senior management. I’m sure it’s well meant, but we are moving towards it being inferred that by not having such an email signature, you must be actively hostile to the LGBT+ community. Which is, of course, nonsense.
So anyway, are any of the mayorals likely to change hands at all? Apparently West Midlands and Tees won't, we know Liverpool, Manchester, London and Sheffield won't. Cambridgeshire didn't seem close last time so probably not now, nor the North of TYne.
Is it only West of England in play? It was 52/48 last time, but the other Tories in that situation are doing fine.
How very dull.
No North of Tyne vote today, unfortunately. I would have loved to kick Jamie Driscoll out.
Aren’t they unifying with south of Tyne in the near future ?
Pfft. Who the hell knows?
We originally had the North East Combined Authority (NECA) and then Northumberland, Newcastle, and North Tyneside split off to form North of Tyne because an elected mayor is required by the government for funding or something silly like that.
Why on Earth would anyone vote “Lozza”? I think we can safely ignore Leon’s attempts to pose as a sentient poster.
He'd have been my first choice in London too.
That's fairly disappointing tbh, CR. Lozza has become the worst kind of reactionary right wing rent-a-gob and has been courting anti-vaxxers. He goes well beyond "saying it how it is" and will hopefully come very close to last place.
I don't agree with him on anti-vaxxers and, like Leon says, he's a bit of a dick but I do support his platform of anti-Wokeness and anti-cancel culture; I'd be buggered if I'd vote for Shaun Bailey as my first choice instead - so, it would be him.
Thankfully for you, though, I don't live in London anymore.
It's just completely irresponsible and whatever his other views are courting anti-vaxxers and validating them during a pandemic is not worthy of any votes.
I also think he's a bit scatter brained, easily distracted by the latest stupidity which has made him a reactionary rather than a visionary.
Anyway, this is London. It's the world's greatest city because people can live how they want. Wokeism simply doesn't effect my world at all, my workplace is simply immune and we've always had a policy of "if you don't like it, fuck off" which isn't going to change. My friends, family, colleagues - none of them really pay any attention to this shite, it's all "twitter nonsense" to the wider world.
My main two concerns in London are 1 - crime and 2 - housing, I think I'm in the majority in London. Wokeism or anything like that doesn't even register.
I wish it was just Twitter nonsense - sadly, in my industry it's not.
I'm jealous of you. My workplace is utterly infested with it, and it's definitely affected my career. I see it every single day, and it's getting worse. My bosses are now talking about launching "campaigns" this year that "live to their values" - ie their opinions. I had yet another awkward conversation with HR today where she was being disingenuous.
Maybe I should come and work for you?
I have also never witnessed any workspace woke stuff, or much woke stuff anywhere at all really despite living among the lesbian yoghurt-knitters of Hackney.
There’s a lot on Twitter, but that’s full of all sorts of shit.
I find it bizarre that it seems to be blighting you.
Casino is right. It is slowly making its way through the industries. It started in academe (of course), and is still at its worst there. Absolute carnage, esp in America
It has now moved into the media, the arts, social media, the police, and so on.
And Wokeness is very different to traditional PC concerns. It isn't just disdainful of contrary opinions, it does not allow them, it demands that EVERYONE publicly submits to this one narrow ideology. It is dangerous. But Lefties refuse to see that (until it comes after them, and then they realise their error, too late - eg feminists in the trans-TERF wars)
My sister and brother-in-law work in the police, and at fairly senior levels too.
What they have to say about Woke would sense @Foxy into meltdown - they make me look like Layla Moran.
EDL candidate in our PCC election. Is that now the most common far right vehicle do we think?
Until Lozza starts to clone himself, yes. EDIT - why are the EDL a thing still? If you want to hate foreigners why not just vote Tory like everyone else? The PM - when not dragging Carrie Antoinette to the polling station - just sent the navy after the French!
It's called standing up for Britain.
The Bailiwick of Jersey is not Britain. I posted last night that we are obligated to send in the navy at their request. But seriously. Its not Britain. Go ask them.
Now being told that in some areas the voting is over 70% but the Tories think it is in areas good for them. Personally I remain to be convinced that this is encouraging for them.
This is the one thing I watch on the BBC typically, alternating with Sky News, just gone to put it on - and the TV Guide says that the BBC tonight has a Royal Wedding thing on tonight on BBC1, with a 2009 film on BBC2.
WTAF!? What the hell are we paying a Licence Fee for that there's no Election Night coverage on Election Night. Instead a 12 year old movie and a 10 year old repeat of a wedding.
Comments
We all know this.
And, there's a higher test for politicians who might credibly take office and actually rule our lives over matters of significance compared to those who are minor also-ran candidates with no hope of winning running for posts that only matter at the margins. We use those to make statements. Particularly when the mainstream candidates are so poor and the frontrunner is a shoe in.
Massive overreactions on here this evening.
https://blacknet.co.uk/community_videos/morgan-freemans-view-on-black-history-month-and-blm/
“Which guy from IT came round earlier?”
“You know Mike, the scouse guy”.
This was 20 years ago pre wokism.
Personally no such problem.
But then I work from home as part of a small team of center-left cynics.
Casino is right. It is slowly making its way through the industries. It started in academe (of course), and is still at its worst there. Absolute carnage, esp in America
It has now moved into the media, the arts, social media, the police, and so on.
And Wokeness is very different to traditional PC concerns. It isn't just disdainful of contrary opinions, it does not allow them, it demands that EVERYONE publicly submits to this one narrow ideology. It is dangerous. But Lefties refuse to see that (until it comes after them, and then they realise their error, too late - eg feminists in the trans-TERF wars)
This gets so tedious going through this and reexplaining it night after night.
It was so bad it was an internet meme for a while.
Here’s a “version” for your private wankbank.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2r0XnLs7DSc
Enjoy your beer. Hope you reflect some too.
The country would be much better off if people like Street felt they could help people at a national level, but sadly our system repels them.
What was all,that Kung Fu bollocks he was doing the other day on video ?
As for me, I went Tory for the local councils (cause I told the candidate who was the same for both I would vote for him) and Labour for PCC (I think that the Tory would have been better overall but the man in his manifesto was pleased... nay... PROUD ffs - that he had purchased two speed camera vans. I wasn't going to endorse that)
I have never put pronouns in my email signature either and I have never felt remotely judged.
But no, SSI, not Anna Soubry or Anne Widdecombe (though I got on well with her - we both like cats). I saw my colleague Vernon Coaker kissing Anna S, though (in a brotherly sort of way). I pursed my lips censoriously.
Gary Lineker in £4.9m tax battle with HMRC over freelance earnings
https://www.ft.com/content/20bc9609-5f9e-448a-8882-1c31fc6e41cd
That was because, at that stage, they'd recruited only three people to the programme - all of whom were men - and the rest of the posts were "TBC". *They* did, not me, but I took a bollocking amongst 20 people on the call with the two co-chairs (both white men) saying "very good point, Amy" (not her real name) and was made to look like a misogynist tit, with no support, and then I fluffed the rest of my lines as I tried to manage my incredulation. Cowards.
Wokeness.
Is it only West of England in play? It was 52/48 last time, but the other Tories in that situation are doing fine.
How very dull.
Unless the employer was the Carncil.
It’s like one of the Kubler Ross stages of a mid-life-crisis:
5. “Mixed martial arts”.
I’m being forced to politically align with social conservatives and I don’t like it.
He thought it was confined to "just one school in New York". Jesus
I am trying to work out why they are so blinkered. My guess it is generally just luck: they work in STEMy financey industries that attract geeks - which are so far largely unaffected by all this.
Anyone in the arts knows how real and menacing it is. Publishing, for example. is being roiled. Writers are cancelled all over the place. Rivals use cancel culture to take down enemies. Vicious. And it is often Left-on-Left. Same in TV and movies, if not worse, I have friends at the Beeb with hair-raising stories
They will feel different when it enters their professions, which it will eventually, if nothing changes
https://twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1390404282617323526?s=20
Unless the guy is trying to pretend he is a something-else, like all those actor-musicky-arty types who changed their northern accents to be southern.
I also know several parents of Brentwood School kids and have reached out to discover the veracity of your story. Because the reality is that I have seen literally nothing.
Now, it's possible my children are hiding stuff from me. But I doubt it.
People in glass houses and all that.
"Is there no beginning to this man's talent?"
"He suffered for his art: now it's our turn"
I think Brexit has not so much remade politics as cemented trends that began in 1979. A lot of historic Conservative seats fell in the Thatcher/Major years, and a lot of historic Labour seats moved in the opposite direction.
What yanks my chain is when they insinuate I'm making it up.
With your money.
https://www.abebooks.co.uk/Kings-North-House-Percy-British-History/30619840903/bd?cm_mmc=ggl-_-UK_Shopp_Tradestandard-_-product_id=COUK9780297818601USED-_-keyword=&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIxLWKnvm18AIVzbTtCh2v_g3PEAQYAyABEgI9QvD_BwE
We shall never see it's like again. Pray to God.
I could, if I had the interest, go trawling for dumb religious shit that happens in America and it would massively massively outnumber the dumb woke stuff that you trawl for. It won't even be difficult at all trying to find schools in America doing stupid stuff because of religion.
What does that prove though? Other than someone has a hobby of trawling for idiots.
Lives a modest life of quiet obscurity
We originally had the North East Combined Authority (NECA) and then Northumberland, Newcastle, and North Tyneside split off to form North of Tyne because an elected mayor is required by the government for funding or something silly like that.
What they have to say about Woke would sense @Foxy into meltdown - they make me look like Layla Moran.
This is the one thing I watch on the BBC typically, alternating with Sky News, just gone to put it on - and the TV Guide says that the BBC tonight has a Royal Wedding thing on tonight on BBC1, with a 2009 film on BBC2.
WTAF!? What the hell are we paying a Licence Fee for that there's no Election Night coverage on Election Night. Instead a 12 year old movie and a 10 year old repeat of a wedding.