If a majority of The Public are in favour of the death penalty, and are opposed to litter louts, HOW COME no major party is proposing bringing back the Rope?
HOW did you get your comment to appear in green?
Also, how do PBers type a word on here, then cross it out? (I'm a techno peasant!)
Campaigning on election day is absolutely allowed.
Yes, it seems that only media rules are applied in regulation. There does seem to have been a change in the way the substance of election day campaigning, rather than estimates of votes / turnout, is nationally reported in the media, though.
What fantastic plan for change could Conservative Jill Mortimer possibly have? What does she think is wrong with what Boris's government is doing?
That she has a plan would put her well ahead. But the government saying she has a plan isn’t reassuring given that we were supposed to have seen the plan for solving the social care crisis way back.
Bozos gun boat willy waving might go down well south of the border but is likely to go down badly with the vast majority north of the border .
The Bozo stunt just reminds those who think he’s a detestable waste of space of the need to get out and vote and make sure the fat oaf won’t be able to crow about the results in Scotland .
Bozo is a disingenuous racist overweight fornicator - nothing more, more less.
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If a majority of The Public are in favour of the death penalty, and are opposed to litter louts, HOW COME no major party is proposing bringing back the Rope?
Bozos gun boat willy waving might go down well south of the border but is likely to go down badly with the vast majority north of the border .
The Bozo stunt just reminds those who think he’s a detestable waste of space of the need to get out and vote and make sure the fat oaf won’t be able to crow about the results in Scotland .
He was responding to a direct request from the Jersey States executive to assist in the invasion of St Helier harbour by angry French fishermen (who are always angry) and following the threat from France to cut of the electricity supply to Jersey which in any civilised negotiation is wholly unacceptable
Strange you do not refer to the provocation of France towards the States of Jersey
Var. Tory canvasser and media reports that it's not even close in Hartlepool.
And? Rochdale and myself said that from the very beginning of this by-election
I love this "look at how much of a f-ing hero I was" stuff!
Ok, ok, we all do it, but @kinabalu said it too and I've bet on the Tories throughout too, I just wasn't sure if it was going to be a narrow margin or a big margin.
I decided 4 days ago it'd be big, and bet accordingly.
Campaigning on election day is absolutely allowed.
Except as prohibited within a certain distance from poll sites. A pesky detail that (it appears) is news to that keen campaigner and original Albanian, Alex Salmond?
It’s laughable to see some deride the pool of talent available to Starmer given the only qualification needed to be in the cabinet is to be a Bozo lap dog and have total belief in the Brexit Unicorn .
If a majority of The Public are in favour of the death penalty, and are opposed to litter louts, HOW COME no major party is proposing bringing back the Rope?
HOW did you get your comment to appear in green?
Also, how do PBers type a word on here, then cross it out? (I'm a techno peasant!)
Boring hypothetical question for those following the Scottish election.
Would it be a better or worse system if parties had to stand for both constituency and list ballots? In pure choice terms there is an absolute glut of list parties but in constituency terms the choice is much more limited (some might say pathetically so).
I can't quite work out if it would be better, or if it would just kill a lot of the variety on the list.
Var. Tory canvasser and media reports that it's not even close in Hartlepool.
And? Rochdale and myself said that from the very beginning of this by-election
And I said narrow labour hold from the start. Have to say I'm starting to wonder.............
I'm the same. This really ought to have been a Lab hold, but the campaign has been shocking. From the candidate picked, to the national campaigning ... It's like they're conspiring to throw the election.
I bet with Kinabalu at evens on a Lab hold. I wouldn't today based on what's happened since, I think I'll lose that bet.
I thought Labour were value here at Evens.
I never bought that ALL Brexit Party votes transferred to the Conservatives - but even starting from the guess that two thirds of them would, that would give a notional result from 2007 of 45% Con, 37% Labour. That is the sort of territory that governments normally lose from in a by election.
Why think that in the middle of a pandemic, with a world leading vaccination campaign and during a generational shift in politics from economy to culture, things can be predicted by what happens normally?
Because, as with regular government, many people seem quite cross about the way the pandemic has progressed. And while I agree with the 'shift in politics from economy to culture', this isn't a sudden thing. Neither of these should take away from the general rule that those angry about the government are generally more motivated to vote than those content with them. But what this feels like to me (from the vantage point of 100 miles away, so what do I know) is that people are more motivated by voting against Labour. I can't remember when the Tories were in opposition there being the same desire to vote against the Tories at by-elections. A lack of enthusiasm to vote for them, certainly; but the desire to give the Tories a kicking didn't seem to feature in by-elections of the 1997-2010 period.
Well lets see if its national or local. I'd say mostly local so mostly Brexit/culture driven.
And will culture voters switch between blue and red in mid terms/by elections in the same way economic voters did? It seems pretty unlikely to me that they would - they will cheer on their team.
Yes, but even in the heyday of government by-election losses, there were relatively few switchers - more a case of the opposition parties being better able to get their vote out and the government's finding it hard to muster the enthusiasm. You would have thought the same rules would apply whatever the nature of the split - it's just the nature of being on government that you have to disappoint people, whether economically or culturally.
So I still find a government gain in a by-election remarkable, even allowing for large scale transferability between BXP and CON.
You dont have to disappoint voters culturally. It is trivial to find some obscure thing to be offended at and get others to share your offence. Even easier if the voters are older and think life should be as it was when they were growing up.
If a majority of The Public are in favour of the death penalty, and are opposed to litter louts, HOW COME no major party is proposing bringing back the Rope?
HOW did you get your comment to appear in green?
Also, how do PBers type a word on here, then cross it out? (I'm a techno peasant!)
It’s laughable to see some deride the pool of talent available to Starmer given the only qualification needed to be in the cabinet is to be a Bozo lap dog and have total belief in the Brexit Unicorn .
The relevant comparison is Blair in 94 or Cameron in 07.
Var. Tory canvasser and media reports that it's not even close in Hartlepool.
And? Rochdale and myself said that from the very beginning of this by-election
And I said narrow labour hold from the start. Have to say I'm starting to wonder.............
I'm the same. This really ought to have been a Lab hold, but the campaign has been shocking. From the candidate picked, to the national campaigning ... It's like they're conspiring to throw the election.
I bet with Kinabalu at evens on a Lab hold. I wouldn't today based on what's happened since, I think I'll lose that bet.
I thought Labour were value here at Evens.
I never bought that ALL Brexit Party votes transferred to the Conservatives - but even starting from the guess that two thirds of them would, that would give a notional result from 2007 of 45% Con, 37% Labour. That is the sort of territory that governments normally lose from in a by election.
Why think that in the middle of a pandemic, with a world leading vaccination campaign and during a generational shift in politics from economy to culture, things can be predicted by what happens normally?
Because, as with regular government, many people seem quite cross about the way the pandemic has progressed. And while I agree with the 'shift in politics from economy to culture', this isn't a sudden thing. Neither of these should take away from the general rule that those angry about the government are generally more motivated to vote than those content with them. But what this feels like to me (from the vantage point of 100 miles away, so what do I know) is that people are more motivated by voting against Labour. I can't remember when the Tories were in opposition there being the same desire to vote against the Tories at by-elections. A lack of enthusiasm to vote for them, certainly; but the desire to give the Tories a kicking didn't seem to feature in by-elections of the 1997-2010 period.
Well lets see if its national or local. I'd say mostly local so mostly Brexit/culture driven.
And will culture voters switch between blue and red in mid terms/by elections in the same way economic voters did? It seems pretty unlikely to me that they would - they will cheer on their team.
Yes, but even in the heyday of government by-election losses, there were relatively few switchers - more a case of the opposition parties being better able to get their vote out and the government's finding it hard to muster the enthusiasm. You would have thought the same rules would apply whatever the nature of the split - it's just the nature of being on government that you have to disappoint people, whether economically or culturally.
So I still find a government gain in a by-election remarkable, even allowing for large scale transferability between BXP and CON.
But on top of the special BXP circumstances you have special pandemic circumstances - opposition blotted out and the government vaccine triumph. So this is exceptional times two. Double special. A Labour hold would have been a great result for them. As it is - meh.
Bozos gun boat willy waving might go down well south of the border but is likely to go down badly with the vast majority north of the border .
The Bozo stunt just reminds those who think he’s a detestable waste of space of the need to get out and vote and make sure the fat oaf won’t be able to crow about the results in Scotland .
He was responding to a direct request from the Jersey States executive to assist in the invasion of St Helier harbour by angry French fishermen (who are always angry) and following the threat from France to cut of the electricity supply to Jersey which in any civilised negotiation is wholly unacceptable
Strange you do not refer to the provocation of France towards the States of Jersey
The French minister who made the electricity threat is clearly stupid but the Jersey government messed up as Guernsey hasn’t had this problem . As for Bozo he remains a waste of space and no 10 is a cesspit of corruption and cronyism .
If a majority of The Public are in favour of the death penalty, and are opposed to litter louts, HOW COME no major party is proposing bringing back the Rope?
HOW did you get your comment to appear in green?
Also, how do PBers type a word on here, then cross it out? (I'm a techno peasant!)
You should have a number of basic font options above the type box - it's the strikethrough option
The green text thing is basic HTML stuff as in this image
If a majority of The Public are in favour of the death penalty, and are opposed to litter louts, HOW COME no major party is proposing bringing back the Rope?
HOW did you get your comment to appear in green?
Also, how do PBers type a word on here, then cross it out? (I'm a techno peasant!)
UK reports 13 more coronavirus deaths and 2,613 new cases
I wonder if ~2000 cases a day is the floor until we have vaccinated the plague spreaders otherwise known as children.
My other half hasn't been offered it yet, she is 34 - neither has Max of this parish or his other half I believe. So there's a large number of 20s and 30s still unvaxxed.
Nor me.
Haven’t been offered it either, and the website is still saying 40+.
I know it will give you all comfort to know that at 37, I’ve had one and my second is booked. So it’s all going swimmingly.
It’s good to hear lots of people are being vaccinated, but it is a bit frustrating for those of us still unable to book.
It’s laughable to see some deride the pool of talent available to Starmer given the only qualification needed to be in the cabinet is to be a Bozo lap dog and have total belief in the Brexit Unicorn .
The relevant comparison is Blair in 94 or Cameron in 07.
At least Blair was upto the job . Bozo is useless and surrounded by even worse barring Sunak.
It’s laughable to see some deride the pool of talent available to Starmer given the only qualification needed to be in the cabinet is to be a Bozo lap dog and have total belief in the Brexit Unicorn .
What pool of talent? Pray be precise as to detail....
UK reports 13 more coronavirus deaths and 2,613 new cases
I wonder if ~2000 cases a day is the floor until we have vaccinated the plague spreaders otherwise known as children.
My other half hasn't been offered it yet, she is 34 - neither has Max of this parish or his other half I believe. So there's a large number of 20s and 30s still unvaxxed.
Nor me.
Haven’t been offered it either, and the website is still saying 40+.
I know it will give you all comfort to know that at 37, I’ve had one and my second is booked. So it’s all going swimmingly.
It’s good to hear lots of people are being vaccinated, but it is a bit frustrating for those of us still unable to book.
You shouldn't have much longer to wait. Certainly hope that's the case, for you & all the Great UnVaxed.
It’s laughable to see some deride the pool of talent available to Starmer given the only qualification needed to be in the cabinet is to be a Bozo lap dog and have total belief in the Brexit Unicorn .
That's not laughable, it's unfortunate - opposition front bench have to work harder to appear competent, as they don't have the weight of office and the civil service (flawed though both are) to make them look good.
Bozos gun boat willy waving might go down well south of the border but is likely to go down badly with the vast majority north of the border .
The Bozo stunt just reminds those who think he’s a detestable waste of space of the need to get out and vote and make sure the fat oaf won’t be able to crow about the results in Scotland .
Bozo is a disingenuous racist overweight fornicator - nothing more, more less.
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UK reports 13 more coronavirus deaths and 2,613 new cases
I wonder if ~2000 cases a day is the floor until we have vaccinated the plague spreaders otherwise known as children.
My other half hasn't been offered it yet, she is 34 - neither has Max of this parish or his other half I believe. So there's a large number of 20s and 30s still unvaxxed.
Nor me.
Haven’t been offered it either, and the website is still saying 40+.
I know it will give you all comfort to know that at 37, I’ve had one and my second is booked. So it’s all going swimmingly.
It’s good to hear lots of people are being vaccinated, but it is a bit frustrating for those of us still unable to book.
You shouldn't have much longer to wait. Certainly hope that's the case, for you & all the Great UnVaxed.
I am haunting the relevant NHS website. They probably think I’m a Russian cyberbot looking for weaknesses.
Boring hypothetical question for those following the Scottish election.
Would it be a better or worse system if parties had to stand for both constituency and list ballots? In pure choice terms there is an absolute glut of list parties but in constituency terms the choice is much more limited (some might say pathetically so).
I can't quite work out if it would be better, or if it would just kill a lot of the variety on the list.
Not sure how that works for independent candidates or very very small parties (ie one of them only). Would mean standing in every constdituency in a region, which is senseless if X is the sole candidate for the Larkhill Orange Lodge Party or Orkney Fisherfolk's Party? And also that raises issues if X wins more than one, not only in which seat gets X, but also probably messes up the already buggered up d'Hondt arithmetic. The sole reason for the Scottish system was to keep Alex Salmond out of power - ironically enough it might just be doing that now.
Var. Tory canvasser and media reports that it's not even close in Hartlepool.
And? Rochdale and myself said that from the very beginning of this by-election
And I said narrow labour hold from the start. Have to say I'm starting to wonder.............
I'm the same. This really ought to have been a Lab hold, but the campaign has been shocking. From the candidate picked, to the national campaigning ... It's like they're conspiring to throw the election.
I bet with Kinabalu at evens on a Lab hold. I wouldn't today based on what's happened since, I think I'll lose that bet.
I thought Labour were value here at Evens.
I never bought that ALL Brexit Party votes transferred to the Conservatives - but even starting from the guess that two thirds of them would, that would give a notional result from 2007 of 45% Con, 37% Labour. That is the sort of territory that governments normally lose from in a by election.
Why think that in the middle of a pandemic, with a world leading vaccination campaign and during a generational shift in politics from economy to culture, things can be predicted by what happens normally?
Because, as with regular government, many people seem quite cross about the way the pandemic has progressed. And while I agree with the 'shift in politics from economy to culture', this isn't a sudden thing. Neither of these should take away from the general rule that those angry about the government are generally more motivated to vote than those content with them. But what this feels like to me (from the vantage point of 100 miles away, so what do I know) is that people are more motivated by voting against Labour. I can't remember when the Tories were in opposition there being the same desire to vote against the Tories at by-elections. A lack of enthusiasm to vote for them, certainly; but the desire to give the Tories a kicking didn't seem to feature in by-elections of the 1997-2010 period.
Well lets see if its national or local. I'd say mostly local so mostly Brexit/culture driven.
And will culture voters switch between blue and red in mid terms/by elections in the same way economic voters did? It seems pretty unlikely to me that they would - they will cheer on their team.
Yes, but even in the heyday of government by-election losses, there were relatively few switchers - more a case of the opposition parties being better able to get their vote out and the government's finding it hard to muster the enthusiasm. You would have thought the same rules would apply whatever the nature of the split - it's just the nature of being on government that you have to disappoint people, whether economically or culturally.
So I still find a government gain in a by-election remarkable, even allowing for large scale transferability between BXP and CON.
But on top of the special BXP circumstances you have special pandemic circumstances - opposition blotted out and the government vaccine triumph. So this is exceptional times two. Double special. A Labour hold would have been a great result for them. As it is - meh.
Re Hartlepool - are you going to be giving it that superforecaster stuff again tomorrow? Can't wait.
UK reports 13 more coronavirus deaths and 2,613 new cases
I wonder if ~2000 cases a day is the floor until we have vaccinated the plague spreaders otherwise known as children.
My other half hasn't been offered it yet, she is 34 - neither has Max of this parish or his other half I believe. So there's a large number of 20s and 30s still unvaxxed.
Nor me.
Haven’t been offered it either, and the website is still saying 40+.
I know it will give you all comfort to know that at 37, I’ve had one and my second is booked. So it’s all going swimmingly.
It’s good to hear lots of people are being vaccinated, but it is a bit frustrating for those of us still unable to book.
You shouldn't have much longer to wait. Certainly hope that's the case, for you & all the Great UnVaxed.
I am haunting the relevant NHS website. They probably think I’m a Russian cyberbot looking for weaknesses.
I notice you don't say that they would be wrong to think that...доктор.
If a majority of The Public are in favour of the death penalty, and are opposed to litter louts, HOW COME no major party is proposing bringing back the Rope?
HOW did you get your comment to appear in green?
Also, how do PBers type a word on here, then cross it out? (I'm a techno peasant!)
UK reports 13 more coronavirus deaths and 2,613 new cases
I wonder if ~2000 cases a day is the floor until we have vaccinated the plague spreaders otherwise known as children.
My other half hasn't been offered it yet, she is 34 - neither has Max of this parish or his other half I believe. So there's a large number of 20s and 30s still unvaxxed.
Nor me.
Haven’t been offered it either, and the website is still saying 40+.
I know it will give you all comfort to know that at 37, I’ve had one and my second is booked. So it’s all going swimmingly.
It’s good to hear lots of people are being vaccinated, but it is a bit frustrating for those of us still unable to book.
You shouldn't have much longer to wait. Certainly hope that's the case, for you & all the Great UnVaxed.
I am haunting the relevant NHS website. They probably think I’m a Russian cyberbot looking for weaknesses.
I notice you don't say that they would be wrong to think that...доктор.
Which part of ‘deep cover’ didn’t you get, tovarisch?
Bozos gun boat willy waving might go down well south of the border but is likely to go down badly with the vast majority north of the border .
The Bozo stunt just reminds those who think he’s a detestable waste of space of the need to get out and vote and make sure the fat oaf won’t be able to crow about the results in Scotland .
Bozo is a disingenuous racist overweight fornicator - nothing more, more less.
Loved by the pea-brained fanbois who live on this right-wing blog!
You both pop up from time to time to shout deluded hyperbolic ultra-partisan nonsense.
Thank goodness they do! It’s about the only counter argument to the relentless Boris love poetry we get on this site.
(Plus asides about how the problem with anyone else is that they are too woke or vegan for the northern working class - often typed up by contributors from Devon or even abroad).
UK reports 13 more coronavirus deaths and 2,613 new cases
I wonder if ~2000 cases a day is the floor until we have vaccinated the plague spreaders otherwise known as children.
My other half hasn't been offered it yet, she is 34 - neither has Max of this parish or his other half I believe. So there's a large number of 20s and 30s still unvaxxed.
Nor me.
Haven’t been offered it either, and the website is still saying 40+.
I know it will give you all comfort to know that at 37, I’ve had one and my second is booked. So it’s all going swimmingly.
It’s good to hear lots of people are being vaccinated, but it is a bit frustrating for those of us still unable to book.
You shouldn't have much longer to wait. Certainly hope that's the case, for you & all the Great UnVaxed.
I am haunting the relevant NHS website. They probably think I’m a Russian cyberbot looking for weaknesses.
I notice you don't say that they would be wrong to think that...доктор.
Which part of ‘deep cover’ didn’t you get, tovarisch?
The extreme partisan wing of the PB Tories is clearly rattled by the prospect of Yvette as Shadchan. They have raised HIPS - a scheme launched some 14 years ago.
Bozos gun boat willy waving might go down well south of the border but is likely to go down badly with the vast majority north of the border .
The Bozo stunt just reminds those who think he’s a detestable waste of space of the need to get out and vote and make sure the fat oaf won’t be able to crow about the results in Scotland .
Bozo is a disingenuous racist overweight fornicator - nothing more, more less.
Loved by the pea-brained fanbois who live on this right-wing blog!
You both pop up from time to time to shout deluded hyperbolic ultra-partisan nonsense.
Thank goodness they do! It’s about the only counter argument to the relentless Boris love poetry we get on this site.
(Plus asides about how the problem with anyone else is that they are too woke or vegan for the northern working class - often typed up by contributors from Devon or even abroad).
Relentless love poetry like calling him constantly such imaginative names as BoZo, Clown, Shagger, Liar or even "Boris"?
Re: electioneering within prohibited distance of poll sites, am personally VERY opposed to this. By anyone, but especially by my OWN side!
Have ZERO problem taking down campaign signs in clear violation. And as an election worker, have (politely) requested voters wearing campaign buttons inside polling places. In concord with workers from other parties.
Back in 2008 general election, when there were LONG lines of eager voters at King County Elections, waiting to cast their votes (or return their ballots) some entrepreneurs were working the line (which was disproportionately voters of color) selling Obama memorabilia.
Which of course was a no-no. And they were told they could NOT do it - quite rightly.
They were not electioneering per se, instead trying to make a buck. BUT the rule is the rule. That's small-d democracy.
The extreme partisan wing of the PB Tories is clearly rattled by the prospect of Yvette as Shadchan. They have raised HIPS - a scheme launched some 14 years ago.
For a year we’ve heard the PB Tories whinge that “Yvette Cooper would have been better”, and at the first rumour she might be back it’s, “oh but what about HIPS?”
Rumours from a source that Yvette Cooper is the next SC, all but confirmed
God help them.
To be honest, she's got to be better than - WHO? Ken Dodd? - who's never said anything or done anything ever.
Anyone still breathing would be better than that.
Let’s be honest, Dodds got the job because she wouldn’t be a threat to Starmer. Cooper might be.
Plus the left wants Dodds. McDonnell rated here. So do I TBH though I'm among a minority I know.
I like Dodds. I get the sense she'd be an excellent chancellor.
I get the sense she'd be the Estelle Morris of Chancellors.
It is strange that of all education secretaries of the last 40 years, only one - Morris - has been a teacher and only two - MacGregor and Greening - have shown any understanding of education.
You wonder if it’s any coincidence that they’re also among the five shortest serving. There seems to be a highly toxic anti-educational culture at the DfE, which has been on view and not in a good way over the last year.
If a majority of The Public are in favour of the death penalty, and are opposed to litter louts, HOW COME no major party is proposing bringing back the Rope?
HOW did you get your comment to appear in green?
Also, how do PBers type a word on here, then cross it out? (I'm a techno peasant!)
The extreme partisan wing of the PB Tories is clearly rattled by the prospect of Yvette as Shadchan. They have raised HIPS - a scheme launched some 14 years ago.
For a year we’ve heard the PB Tories whinge that “Yvette Cooper would have been better”, and at the first rumour she might be back it’s, “oh but what about HIPS?”
Their obsession with her HIPS comes across as a bit sexist, tbh.
UK reports 13 more coronavirus deaths and 2,613 new cases
I wonder if ~2000 cases a day is the floor until we have vaccinated the plague spreaders otherwise known as children.
My other half hasn't been offered it yet, she is 34 - neither has Max of this parish or his other half I believe. So there's a large number of 20s and 30s still unvaxxed.
Nor me.
Haven’t been offered it either, and the website is still saying 40+.
I know it will give you all comfort to know that at 37, I’ve had one and my second is booked. So it’s all going swimmingly.
It’s good to hear lots of people are being vaccinated, but it is a bit frustrating for those of us still unable to book.
You might be confusing with purdah rules that are there to stop taxpayers money been used to promote a candidate or party. This doesnt stop any individual or candidate from acting as they wish to promote themselves (within the rules for an election).
If a majority of The Public are in favour of the death penalty, and are opposed to litter louts, HOW COME no major party is proposing bringing back the Rope?
Several reasons. Among them are that some opinions, while held by lots of people, are regarded by a significant number of people as 'tainting' any other opinions they might hold.
These include opinions which are widely held but not particularly thoughtfully held. On the left the abolition of property rights or eliminating policing. On the right, the death penalty, criminalising some sexual preferences and some racist opinions come to mind.
By and large parties have decided that the death penalty is both not a vote winner and is not coherently capable of implementation in the modern world.
Some things don't work in theory but do in practice. The death penalty works fine in theory - we can all think of people who richly deserve it - but would be catastrophic in practice.
IIRC Correctly the Brexit party got as low a 1.15 for Peterborough.
Not going to happen this time. Nailed on Con gain.
Which in itself would be pretty extraordinary. A governing party has only gained a seat at a by-election twice since 1970, and only five times since 1945 - one of those being Bristol South 1959, where the Labour candidate won but was declared ineligible.
Even seats like Peterborough in 2019 - which should under the circumstances have been an easy gain - stayed with the Opposition.
Another leg of the Tories’ Scotland strategy will be the timing of the next British general election. Although insiders insist no substantive discussion about the date has taken place, there are signs that Johnson is keen to keep open the option of holding the contest in 2023 rather than 2024, when his term would run out.
This would require him to repeal the Fixed-terms Parliament Act, but the thinking goes that year difference would make it easier to hold off calls for a second Scottish referendum. Johnson will be hoping that the SNP loses seats in a general election and that the Tories sweep back to power on a manifesto pledging to retain the union — allowing him to claim a fresher mandate than that provided to the SNP by today’s vote.
The extreme partisan wing of the PB Tories is clearly rattled by the prospect of Yvette as Shadchan. They have raised HIPS - a scheme launched some 14 years ago.
Except on current trends Yvette is unlikely even to be in parliament in 2024.
1,200 majority with 8,000 UKIP votes last time out. In the North.
And two and a half years of Cooper curling her lip about Boris's curtains.
The extreme partisan wing of the PB Tories is clearly rattled by the prospect of Yvette as Shadchan. They have raised HIPS - a scheme launched some 14 years ago.
They.. this isn't some sort of relative pronoun. HIPS IS THE ONLY THING she had ever achieved in office and as I said, it was a fecking disaster. Bring it on. Let her be shadow Chancellor with Ed working her from behind. Out will trip neoendogeonous growth theory before you can say HIPS.
The extreme partisan wing of the PB Tories is clearly rattled by the prospect of Yvette as Shadchan. They have raised HIPS - a scheme launched some 14 years ago.
That was her main experience in government, its not unreasonable to draw attention to it. Thatcher still gets called Milk Snatcher from a policy 48 years ago, and despite her also been dead.
If a majority of The Public are in favour of the death penalty, and are opposed to litter louts, HOW COME no major party is proposing bringing back the Rope?
Several reasons. Among them are that some opinions, while held by lots of people, are regarded by a significant number of people as 'tainting' any other opinions they might hold.
These include opinions which are widely held but not particularly thoughtfully held. On the left the abolition of property rights or eliminating policing. On the right, the death penalty, criminalising some sexual preferences and some racist opinions come to mind.
By and large parties have decided that the death penalty is both not a vote winner and is not coherently capable of implementation in the modern world.
Some things don't work in theory but do in practice. The death penalty works fine in theory - we can all think of people who richly deserve it - but would be catastrophic in practice.
Maybe they could be elected to the House of Lords instead?:
Well, Yvette seems to have the first name factor based on responses here, which some people persist in pretending is like how people think Boris is their best mate or some such rubbish, so she is clearly the candidate to go for based on that alone.
Even if she were, surely we can all see Keir Starmer would be a brilliant Chancellor of the Exchequer? Reasonable, sensible, highly intelligent, hard working and meticulous.
The snag is, he hasn’t shown much imagination so far, and you need imagination to be a leader.
Boring hypothetical question for those following the Scottish election.
Would it be a better or worse system if parties had to stand for both constituency and list ballots? In pure choice terms there is an absolute glut of list parties but in constituency terms the choice is much more limited (some might say pathetically so).
I can't quite work out if it would be better, or if it would just kill a lot of the variety on the list.
Might get rid of the dross the parties have on their list backup system, all the chumocracy and deadwood careerists and arse lickers are on there. List is full of dross, mind you much of constituency is also dross so would it really matter that much.
The extreme partisan wing of the PB Tories is clearly rattled by the prospect of Yvette as Shadchan. They have raised HIPS - a scheme launched some 14 years ago.
For a year we’ve heard the PB Tories whinge that “Yvette Cooper would have been better”, and at the first rumour she might be back it’s, “oh but what about HIPS?”
Very pro Yvette Cooper. However she isn't going to be chancellor unless something very odd happens. Her seat is a Hartlepool, whose result she will watch with interest. YC has a majority of 1300 and the Brexit party got 8000 votes.
Labour is more likely to form a government without YC than to form one with her. Plus should they form a rainbow alliance - their only option - someone droning on SNP bore will have a claim to be SC. And most likely of course is none of these. At the moment there are loads of Tory seats they look more like winning than holding NP and C.
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Also, how do PBers type a word on here, then cross it out? (I'm a techno peasant!)
Con 1.08 / 1.09
Lab 12 / 12.5
https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/politics/market/1.180699589
Con 1.08 / 1.09
Lab 12 / 12.5
https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/politics/market/1.180699589
Strange you do not refer to the provocation of France towards the States of Jersey
Would it be a better or worse system if parties had to stand for both constituency and list ballots? In pure choice terms there is an absolute glut of list parties but in constituency terms the choice is much more limited (some might say pathetically so).
I can't quite work out if it would be better, or if it would just kill a lot of the variety on the list.
worth a second read
or indeed a third
No problem with either (am NOT a Scottish Nationalist, though I am an American Democrat) UNTIL they become a liability to their party and cause.
In that case, the sooner they jump into the dustbin of history, the better.
"You don't need a leader / to know which way the wind blows"
Best thing for Scotland in general, and Scottish nationalism in particular, would be for Alba to end up with 0 seats. IMHO. B
But then don't have a vote, so am just the overseas peanut gallery. Throwing the shells across the Atlantic (and the Pacific)!
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Let's see
Almost LOL’d.
You both pop up from time to time to shout deluded hyperbolic ultra-partisan nonsense.
Then, the polling station was emptier than Gavin Williamson’s skull.
It’s about the only counter argument to the relentless Boris love poetry we get on this site.
(Plus asides about how the problem with anyone else is that they are too woke or vegan for the northern working class - often typed up by contributors from Devon or even abroad).
Dodds always seemed an odd choice given no one knew who she was and we know even less about her now.
Cooper, on the other hand, is an experienced performer who would give the government a harder time.
The long sobs
Of violins
Of autumn
Wound my heart
Yvette etc were too indelibly Brownite.
But that was before. He’s managed to rout some of the nutters, and he has a freer hand now.
Not convinced by the Cooper rumours to be honest. She has supposedly indicated she would rather stay as a Select Committee chair iirc.
Have ZERO problem taking down campaign signs in clear violation. And as an election worker, have (politely) requested voters wearing campaign buttons inside polling places. In concord with workers from other parties.
Back in 2008 general election, when there were LONG lines of eager voters at King County Elections, waiting to cast their votes (or return their ballots) some entrepreneurs were working the line (which was disproportionately voters of color) selling Obama memorabilia.
Which of course was a no-no. And they were told they could NOT do it - quite rightly.
They were not electioneering per se, instead trying to make a buck. BUT the rule is the rule. That's small-d democracy.
You wonder if it’s any coincidence that they’re also among the five shortest serving. There seems to be a highly toxic anti-educational culture at the DfE, which has been on view and not in a good way over the last year.
https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1390355044340572160?s=19
However the following pointers are interesting
A pollster gave a 17% conservative lead in the most recent constituency poll
Private labour polling indicated they were retaining just 40% of their 2019 vote
The pollster who established the 17% conservative lead said he will never do another constituency poll if Labour win it
Canvassers and the media suggesting today the votes need weighing for the conservatives
Smarkets have just jumped to 92.59% conservative win
Surely a Labour hold would be extraordinary
Not going to happen this time. Nailed on Con gain.
These include opinions which are widely held but not particularly thoughtfully held. On the left the abolition of property rights or eliminating policing. On the right, the death penalty, criminalising some sexual preferences and some racist opinions come to mind.
By and large parties have decided that the death penalty is both not a vote winner and is not coherently capable of implementation in the modern world.
Some things don't work in theory but do in practice. The death penalty works fine in theory - we can all think of people who richly deserve it - but would be catastrophic in practice.
Even seats like Peterborough in 2019 - which should under the circumstances have been an easy gain - stayed with the Opposition.
1,200 majority with 8,000 UKIP votes last time out. In the North.
And two and a half years of Cooper curling her lip about Boris's curtains.
Game over.
https://twitter.com/vonderleyen/status/1390315328580825088
As long as she applies it to the EU as well.
https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/blogs/ec_referendumpoll_20210407.html
The 3 defensive marginals seem to have been prioritised. There is only one attacking marginal though
Make of that what you will.
Someone told me yesterday they were hopeful of cutting the Tory majority on DCC and BOP may be with the 3 LD's
The snag is, he hasn’t shown much imagination so far, and you need imagination to be a leader.
Yvette - Well Keir they both have their merits what do you think
Keir - I am fine with either you pick Yvette
Half an hour later........
Left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing Wherr's the UNNNNITTTYYYYY?
Labour is more likely to form a government without YC than to form one with her. Plus should they form a rainbow alliance - their only option - someone droning on SNP bore will have a claim to be SC. And most likely of course is none of these. At the moment there are loads of Tory seats they look more like winning than holding NP and C.