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Setting the scene for next Thursday’s local elections – politicalbetting.com

SystemSystem Posts: 12,146
edited April 2021 in General
Setting the scene for next Thursday’s local elections – politicalbetting.com

Next Thursday, I think I’m safe in asserting, we will see the largest set of local elections ever to take place in England. This is because the group of seats that should have been voted on last year had their elections postponed and of course this year we have the 2017 cohort. On top of that we have several hundred local by-elections which have been delayed again because of the pandemic ban on election activity in England.

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  • MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382
    test
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,465
    On topic, from previous thread. I disagree with Mike.

    "Latest YouGov has the Tories extending their lead: Con 44% ( - ) Labour 33% ( -1).

    https://docs.cdn.yougov.com/5wmdyo10ta/TheTimes_Voting_Intention_Track_210428__W.pdf

    Worth noting that when the 2017 local election seats were fought, the Tories also had an 11% lead over Labour on the actual result - albeit on 38%-27%. If Labour are to make any gains, they look to be from LibDems (7% now versus 18% actual in 2017). Labour will stand still as against the Tories at best (note YouGov has 3% for Refuk, but as most seats won't have a candidate that could add a point or two to the Tory lead).

    Those seats last fought in 2016 could prove to be horrible for Labour, where they actually finished one point ahead of the Tories on 31%, Tories on 30%, LibDems 15%, UKIP 12%. Looking at projections for these seats - where they won 1326 Councillors to the Tories 842 - may be where the gloom in Labour's internal machine is coming from.

    Starmer could be down 200-250 councillors after next Thursday."
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,069
    Super Thursday ! Will it be the most ever UK seperate elections on one day ?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,614
    edited April 2021
    Looking at those poll averages, the Tories with a 20% lead over Labour before the 2017 county elections compared to only a 9% lead over Labour now you would expect Labour to gain county council seats from the Tories on Thursday. However the LDs were on 10% in 2017 compared to only 7% now so the Tories might gain some county seats from LDs (albeit LDs going Nimby in the Home Counties will likely reduce that chance).

    In the district elections the Tories only had a 3% lead in 2016 so could even make gains from Labour in the district elections, the LDs are unchanged from what they were on in 2016 but the Tories could still make gains from the LDs where there was a UKIP candidate in 2016 and will not be next week
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,937
    Brexit is done

    Brexit means we can do trade deals


    Brexit: Anger over government's failure to get Norway fishing deal - BBC News https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-56940914
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,296

    On topic, from previous thread. I disagree with Mike.

    "Latest YouGov has the Tories extending their lead: Con 44% ( - ) Labour 33% ( -1).

    https://docs.cdn.yougov.com/5wmdyo10ta/TheTimes_Voting_Intention_Track_210428__W.pdf

    Worth noting that when the 2017 local election seats were fought, the Tories also had an 11% lead over Labour on the actual result - albeit on 38%-27%. If Labour are to make any gains, they look to be from LibDems (7% now versus 18% actual in 2017). Labour will stand still as against the Tories at best (note YouGov has 3% for Refuk, but as most seats won't have a candidate that could add a point or two to the Tory lead).

    Those seats last fought in 2016 could prove to be horrible for Labour, where they actually finished one point ahead of the Tories on 31%, Tories on 30%, LibDems 15%, UKIP 12%. Looking at projections for these seats - where they won 1326 Councillors to the Tories 842 - may be where the gloom in Labour's internal machine is coming from.

    Starmer could be down 200-250 councillors after next Thursday."

    Is there a ready reckoner anywhere of what was last fought in 2016 ?
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 62,921
    edited April 2021
    My son in law had a complete knee replacement operation earlier this week and I went to collect him this morning from Wrexham

    Returning along the A55 it was wonderful to see the number of caravans, campervans, and holiday traffic coming back again and great for our tourism in North Wales

    At the same time traveling out of Wales were Irish HGVs, obviously from a recent ferry docking at Holyhead, and to be fair the volume seemed much as normal.

    Getting nearer Llandudno, the fairways on the golf course, freshly mown, were full of golfers

    It was as if we were witnessing a reawakening from hibernation and it was a joyful sight

    I would very surprised if Boris and HMG do not get a bounce in next week's elections as the feel good factor returns, and I very much doubt minds will be on the wallpaper in his flat
  • FenmanFenman Posts: 1,047
    Scott_xP said:

    Brexit is done

    Brexit means we can do trade deals


    Brexit: Anger over government's failure to get Norway fishing deal - BBC News https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-56940914

    I find it difficult to feel sorry for the fishermen who have been truly hoist by their own petard.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    Scott_xP said:

    Brexit is done

    Brexit means we can do trade deals


    Brexit: Anger over government's failure to get Norway fishing deal - BBC News https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-56940914

    So much "anger" that not a single Brexiteer here seems to be bothered by it.

    In fact even on the media reporting it seems just one particular limited company, with a rather pretentious name, with one large trawler, that seems to be doing the complaining.

    I'm wondering who does more trawling - the Kirkella, or you looking for things to whinge about?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,069
    Looks like John Barrowman is about to be cancelled !
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,791

    My son in law had a complete knee replacement operation earlier this week and I went to collect him this morning from Wrexham

    Returning along the A55 it was wonderful to see the number of caravans, campervans, and holiday traffic coming back again and great for our tourism in North Wales

    At the same time traveling out of Wales were Irish HGVs, obviously from a recent ferry docking at Holyhead, and to be fair the volume seemed much as normal.

    Getting nearer Llandudno, the fairways on the golf course, freshly mown, were full of golfers

    It was as if we were witnessing a reawakening from hibernation and it was a joyful sight

    I would very surprised if Boris and HMG do not get a bounce in next week's elections as the feel good factor returns, and I very much doubt minds will be on the wallpaper in his flat

    Its hard to underplay the feeling of relief getting vaccinated, especially when you see the scenes in places like India.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 54,924
    Nicola Sturgeon has just destroyed Edinburgh Tourism

    'Alderson puts it bluntly: “I fear the Edinburgh Festival is being driven out of Scotland. It’s leaving Edinburgh.”'

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/theatre/what-to-see/nicola-sturgeons-disgraceful-two-metre-rule-threatens-cultural/?li_source=LI&li_medium=liftigniter-rhr&onwardjourney=web-4346-morestories_variation
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,791
    edited April 2021
    Pulpstar said:

    Looks like John Barrowman is about to be cancelled !

    The entertainment industry is rotten to the core....while always preaching to the world how wrong they are about everything.

    The sexual harassment and general depravity, the tax dodging, the hypocrisy over green issues, etc etc etc....but its all ok, we gave the best director Oscar to a "woman of colour"....so we are the good guys, sorry should check their pronouns first.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,295
    June Mummery, fishing maven and Brexiter was on LBC this morning screaming that she has been betrayed by Boris.

    Brexit is going “8/10” for the fishing industry, she says (Confusingly, she’s using 10, rather than zero, to indicate the worst possible outcome).
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,791
    edited April 2021
    Leon said:

    Nicola Sturgeon has just destroyed Edinburgh Tourism

    'Alderson puts it bluntly: “I fear the Edinburgh Festival is being driven out of Scotland. It’s leaving Edinburgh.”'

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/theatre/what-to-see/nicola-sturgeons-disgraceful-two-metre-rule-threatens-cultural/?li_source=LI&li_medium=liftigniter-rhr&onwardjourney=web-4346-morestories_variation

    TOOOOOOOO CONFUSING would be the wall to wall headlines....If Boris suggested them.
  • My son in law had a complete knee replacement operation earlier this week a

    Blimey. I hope he makes a great recovery. Heck of an op.

    And your lovely comments about vaccinations and the palpable relief is so true.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,233
    Pulpstar said:

    Super Thursday ! Will it be the most ever UK seperate elections on one day ?

    I feel like I haven't bet enough on this one.
  • I mentioned this morning that I really couldn't care a less if Boris has syphoned off funds to refurb his family accommodation, especially as it's sub-par for a world leader.

    All I care about right now is that the Gov't continue this fantastic vaccine rollout, that nothing stops it and, with it, the return of our freedoms.

    I will care about other things again some day, I'm sure.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,518
    I think the media will go 1. Hartlepool 2. Scotland 3. London/WM mayors 4. Net gains/losses, comparative year disregarded 5. BBC calculated vote share. Everything else will only get local reports.

    What is the sequence with which results will come through? Most County seats are counting on Friday, I believe. So Hartlepool/Mayors/some district seats late Thursday, Counties and other districts Friday, Scotland late Friday?
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    FTPT

    I am absolutely certain self driving cars are only 5 years away

    https://twitter.com/moyix/status/1367575109305794563?s=19

    Not. A. Chance.

    The limitations of current AI techniques and alogorithms are too vast. Maybe for Highway cruising trucks but inner city taxi's? No way. No how.
  • My son in law had a complete knee replacement operation earlier this week a

    Blimey. I hope he makes a great recovery. Heck of an op.

    And your lovely comments about vaccinations and the palpable relief is so true.
    It was amazing to have a complete knee replacement and (not for the squeamishl) the surgeon, following the completion of the operation under an epidural which numbed his legs, lifted his leg, rotated the knee, bent it up and down and my son in law was amazed at the result even while under gentle sedation

    Advances in medical procedures are amazing though he faces upto 3 months rehabilitation

    And yes vaccination has been a world leading success and for that Boris deserves congratulations from us all
  • I think the media will go 1. Hartlepool 2. Scotland 3. London/WM mayors 4. Net gains/losses, comparative year disregarded 5. BBC calculated vote share. Everything else will only get local reports.

    What is the sequence with which results will come through? Most County seats are counting on Friday, I believe. So Hartlepool/Mayors/some district seats late Thursday, Counties and other districts Friday, Scotland late Friday?

    Wales says 'Hi' Nick
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,379
    Jesus, Mary, Joseph and the wee donkey!

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-56941544
  • FossFoss Posts: 1,013
    Alistair said:

    FTPT

    I am absolutely certain self driving cars are only 5 years away

    https://twitter.com/moyix/status/1367575109305794563?s=19

    Not. A. Chance.

    The limitations of current AI techniques and alogorithms are too vast. Maybe for Highway cruising trucks but inner city taxi's? No way. No how.

    There's a kid on YouTube that's part of the Waymo trial who records his trips and put the video up. They're very impressive but it doesn't feel quite there yet.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,235
    Alistair said:

    FTPT

    I am absolutely certain self driving cars are only 5 years away

    https://twitter.com/moyix/status/1367575109305794563?s=19

    Not. A. Chance.

    The limitations of current AI techniques and alogorithms are too vast. Maybe for Highway cruising trucks but inner city taxi's? No way. No how.

    Motorway cruising cars will be allowed in UK this year - beyond that it's very difficult to see when the next stage of problems will be fixed enough to allow things to expand.

    But for a lot of journeys automated steering while on a motorway will make those journeys a lot more pleasant.
  • MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382
    edited April 2021
    Smarkets just opened a Chesham & Amersham by-election exchange market. Tories currently 1.12
    https://smarkets.com/event/42195394/politics/uk/by-elections/chesham-and-amersham-by-election
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,260
    eek said:

    Alistair said:

    FTPT

    I am absolutely certain self driving cars are only 5 years away

    https://twitter.com/moyix/status/1367575109305794563?s=19

    Not. A. Chance.

    The limitations of current AI techniques and alogorithms are too vast. Maybe for Highway cruising trucks but inner city taxi's? No way. No how.

    Motorway cruising cars will be allowed in UK this year - beyond that it's very difficult to see when the next stage of problems will be fixed enough to allow things to expand.

    But for a lot of journeys automated steering while on a motorway will make those journeys a lot more pleasant.
    Means you can get bladdered down the dog and duck and car will take you home
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    Charles said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    This has recently been completed. It is the tallest building in the North East, I believe.

    https://www.hadrianstower.com

    It comes with zero car parking, other than a bit of "on street parking". Zero car parking for "luxury apartments"!

    Absolutely insane.

    Not insane at all. Clairvoyant

    Cars are going. Electric self drive cars will be here in 5-10 years. World changing. No need to own a car. It will transform our cities for the better, making them cleaner, quieter, lovelier. All those car parks, drives, garages? - gone. They can be turned into urban woodlands. Marvellous.

    Embrace the future
    I think this is right - about cars being on their way out.

    A good technique (if you can do it) for predicting the future is to go out and view the environment as one of those "Cadbury's Smash Aliens" would. Disassociate yourself from the reality you've grown accustomed to and look at things afresh through the question, "Does this really make sense?"

    If you do this, the sight of all these small yet bulky metallic boxes strewn all over the place, occasionally being used to transport just one or two flesh & blood units in a slow, painful manner from one place to another place, it will suddenly strike you as absurd.

    You'll shake your head in wonder as this dawns. Then you'll have a giggle (like in the advert) and know for a fact that in not too many years from now they will have disappeared.

    The Osmonds were onto this before anybody. Crazy Horses, wooo, wooo. Got to number 2 in 1972.
    Exactly right. On this issue we are seers, and the rest of PB is too dull-witted to comprehend

    Imagine trying to explain to people why everyone rides horses.

    What, you climb on top of a massive half-domesticated animal, with a tendency to bolt, and you order it to walk you somewhere in the city by threatening it with a stick, and so it slowly walks around as it craps on small children and pisses on old ladies, and then it dies and it is turned into glue?
    Horses were replaced because people could get a personal chassis that would move an order of magnitude faster than the horse.

    Taxis, Ubers, whatever you want to call them are vastly inferior to a personal car. They're not yours, they're not personalised, they're not available on demand, they don't have your own equipment in them. If I want to take my kids to school I get them ready, step out of my house, through my garden and into my car. Their car seats are already there. I then drive and am at the school a few minutes later.

    Why would I trade that for hailing an Uber, that will arrive without car seats, that will take about as long to get to me as the drive itself takes?

    Its a vastly inferior service. That's why we already don't use it.
    But the Uber user hasn’t tied up capital in a car. It’s just like a PFI solution - less good and costs more but you don’t have to buy and operate it yourself
    True. But cars cost from tens of thousands of pounds, to thousands, to hundreds of pounds depending upon whether you get a new or second-hand, top-end or entry level model. For many people insuring a car and its running costs will be more than actually purchasing a vehicle. But if you're using it on a daily basis it can still be much cheaper than paying private hire.

    Personally I've got the same vehicle I bought new a decade ago. Its a very well built vehicle that has lasted very well, and I made the decision years ago that I wasn't going to replace it with another petrol vehicle unless I had to, so I will either run it into the ground, or until I replace it with an electric one. So I have to pay fuel, maintenance costs, insurance etc - but that's a fraction of the cost of if I paid private hire vehicles to take me everywhere I go.

    If I was to replace this vehicle with another 60-reg vehicle it wouldn't cost much in the way of capital.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,835

    I think the media will go 1. Hartlepool 2. Scotland 3. London/WM mayors 4. Net gains/losses, comparative year disregarded 5. BBC calculated vote share. Everything else will only get local reports.

    What is the sequence with which results will come through? Most County seats are counting on Friday, I believe. So Hartlepool/Mayors/some district seats late Thursday, Counties and other districts Friday, Scotland late Friday?

    Parishes saturday!
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,835
    malcolmg said:

    eek said:

    Alistair said:

    FTPT

    I am absolutely certain self driving cars are only 5 years away

    https://twitter.com/moyix/status/1367575109305794563?s=19

    Not. A. Chance.

    The limitations of current AI techniques and alogorithms are too vast. Maybe for Highway cruising trucks but inner city taxi's? No way. No how.

    Motorway cruising cars will be allowed in UK this year - beyond that it's very difficult to see when the next stage of problems will be fixed enough to allow things to expand.

    But for a lot of journeys automated steering while on a motorway will make those journeys a lot more pleasant.
    Means you can get bladdered down the dog and duck and car will take you home
    Err, no!
  • eekeek Posts: 28,235
    malcolmg said:

    eek said:

    Alistair said:

    FTPT

    I am absolutely certain self driving cars are only 5 years away

    https://twitter.com/moyix/status/1367575109305794563?s=19

    Not. A. Chance.

    The limitations of current AI techniques and alogorithms are too vast. Maybe for Highway cruising trucks but inner city taxi's? No way. No how.

    Motorway cruising cars will be allowed in UK this year - beyond that it's very difficult to see when the next stage of problems will be fixed enough to allow things to expand.

    But for a lot of journeys automated steering while on a motorway will make those journeys a lot more pleasant.
    Means you can get bladdered down the dog and duck and car will take you home
    That's just about the last (if not the last) thing an automated car will be allowed to do.
  • StockyStocky Posts: 10,186
    edited April 2021
    Hartlepool: Labour Party now out to 2.7 with BF. Is this too big?

    I've topped up a bit, but I've no confidence in calling this one.

    Listening to a reporter on the ground, she expects turnout to be low. Which party will this favour?
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,162
    Meanwhile we have big Autonomous Community election in Spain on Tuesday with PP riding high and a big slump in the PSOE expected vote. Bit of a surprise compared to national polling.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_Madrilenian_regional_election
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/19270556.john-curtice-polls-show-snp-independence-support-slipping/

    Professor JohnCurtice (for it is He) says that whilst SNP support is slipping, the Greens are romping along, so a majority of MSPs will support independence. Strap yourselves in - when HYUFD explodes as a result of Boris doing what he has endlessly said he won't do, it will be messy.

    Although I support Scottish independence, I think the funniest result "for the bantz" would be SNP minority, majority with Greens, second referendum occurs, second referendum goes No.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,235

    https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/19270556.john-curtice-polls-show-snp-independence-support-slipping/

    Professor JohnCurtice (for it is He) says that whilst SNP support is slipping, the Greens are romping along, so a majority of MSPs will support independence. Strap yourselves in - when HYUFD explodes as a result of Boris doing what he has endlessly said he won't do, it will be messy.

    Although I support Scottish independence, I think the funniest result "for the bantz" would be SNP minority, majority with Greens, second referendum occurs, second referendum goes No.
    That is actually my expected result - the issue needs to be laid to bed and the only way to do that is for the Scottish to see how much they are subsidised by the rest of the UK.

    Which I know is something that MalcolmG is going to argue isn't the case but the reality is the oil has gone and Scotland has little else...
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,033
    Stocky said:

    Hartlepool: Labour Party now out to 2.7 with BF. Is this too big?

    I've topped up a bit, but I've no confidence in calling this one.

    Listening to a reporter on the ground, she expects turnout to be low. Which party will this favour?

    Might favour Labour if their GOTV op is superior.

    But you know my feelings here. This should be a Con win and I personally don't think Lab at 2.7 is value.
  • RazedabodeRazedabode Posts: 3,027
    eek said:

    https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/19270556.john-curtice-polls-show-snp-independence-support-slipping/

    Professor JohnCurtice (for it is He) says that whilst SNP support is slipping, the Greens are romping along, so a majority of MSPs will support independence. Strap yourselves in - when HYUFD explodes as a result of Boris doing what he has endlessly said he won't do, it will be messy.

    Although I support Scottish independence, I think the funniest result "for the bantz" would be SNP minority, majority with Greens, second referendum occurs, second referendum goes No.
    That is actually my expected result - the issue needs to be laid to bed and the only way to do that is for the Scottish to see how much they are subsidised by the rest of the UK.

    Which I know is something that MalcolmG is going to argue isn't the case but the reality is the oil has gone and Scotland has little else...
    Don’t forget as well, rUK will be paying Scottish pensions in the event of indy
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,162
    kinabalu said:

    Stocky said:

    Hartlepool: Labour Party now out to 2.7 with BF. Is this too big?

    I've topped up a bit, but I've no confidence in calling this one.

    Listening to a reporter on the ground, she expects turnout to be low. Which party will this favour?

    Might favour Labour if their GOTV op is superior.

    But you know my feelings here. This should be a Con win and I personally don't think Lab at 2.7 is value.
    What proportion are PVs already in I wonder. Still expect a tight Labour hold.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 54,924
    eek said:

    https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/19270556.john-curtice-polls-show-snp-independence-support-slipping/

    Professor JohnCurtice (for it is He) says that whilst SNP support is slipping, the Greens are romping along, so a majority of MSPs will support independence. Strap yourselves in - when HYUFD explodes as a result of Boris doing what he has endlessly said he won't do, it will be messy.

    Although I support Scottish independence, I think the funniest result "for the bantz" would be SNP minority, majority with Greens, second referendum occurs, second referendum goes No.
    That is actually my expected result - the issue needs to be laid to bed and the only way to do that is for the Scottish to see how much they are subsidised by the rest of the UK.

    Which I know is something that MalcolmG is going to argue isn't the case but the reality is the oil has gone and Scotland has little else...
    it's all highly paradoxical. Sturgeon won't want any referendum if the polls stay like this, with NO in the lead. Her ideal position is to ask for one, and get refused (the likeliest outcome). Even then she will face a nightmare of splits in her party, as the nutters demand UDI
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    eek said:

    https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/19270556.john-curtice-polls-show-snp-independence-support-slipping/

    Professor JohnCurtice (for it is He) says that whilst SNP support is slipping, the Greens are romping along, so a majority of MSPs will support independence. Strap yourselves in - when HYUFD explodes as a result of Boris doing what he has endlessly said he won't do, it will be messy.

    Although I support Scottish independence, I think the funniest result "for the bantz" would be SNP minority, majority with Greens, second referendum occurs, second referendum goes No.
    That is actually my expected result - the issue needs to be laid to bed and the only way to do that is for the Scottish to see how much they are subsidised by the rest of the UK.

    Which I know is something that MalcolmG is going to argue isn't the case but the reality is the oil has gone and Scotland has little else...
    Why should the rest of us be expected to subsidise the Scots?

    If they wish to control their own destiny, if the economics is neutral, then they should do so. We shouldn't be spending our money to bribe them to stay in a union they don't want for other reasons.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 54,924
    kinabalu said:

    Stocky said:

    Hartlepool: Labour Party now out to 2.7 with BF. Is this too big?

    I've topped up a bit, but I've no confidence in calling this one.

    Listening to a reporter on the ground, she expects turnout to be low. Which party will this favour?

    Might favour Labour if their GOTV op is superior.

    But you know my feelings here. This should be a Con win and I personally don't think Lab at 2.7 is value.
    Shouldn't you be in your idyllic leafy pub where you can just waltz in to their rose garden and have a cold beer on Downshire Hill?
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,835
    felix said:

    kinabalu said:

    Stocky said:

    Hartlepool: Labour Party now out to 2.7 with BF. Is this too big?

    I've topped up a bit, but I've no confidence in calling this one.

    Listening to a reporter on the ground, she expects turnout to be low. Which party will this favour?

    Might favour Labour if their GOTV op is superior.

    But you know my feelings here. This should be a Con win and I personally don't think Lab at 2.7 is value.
    What proportion are PVs already in I wonder. Still expect a tight Labour hold.
    Normally I’d expect over half to be returned by now - my guess would be 60%, with the remainder divided between the last weekend, and those that get taken to the polling station (perhaps less of those this year). An anecdotal report from our council is that the return of postal votes is so far lower than expected, especially with more applications due to the pandemic.
  • FPT
    Jonathan said:

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/apr/30/family-facing-40000-fire-safety-bill-told-they-can-contact-samaritans

    Call the samaritans if you feel suicidal advises Jenrick aide to a family who are now fucked in their inferno risk flat.

    Surely the correct advice is to buy a ticket for a Tory fundraiser. Jenrick would sort them out no problem.

    I'm not saying the government is doing the direct bidding of its donors, but - no hang on, I AM saying that.

    Surely the government can do better than that, it is unreasonable for leaseholders to take such a crippling share of responsibility for what has obviously been systemic failure. It's not as if there is moral hazard at work and these leaseholders could have done much if anything to avoid this. A classic case for the government to step in.
    £11m well spent say the developers, as the government mysteriously refuse to engage with millions of occupants stuck in unsaleable properties and instead backs the developers.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/tory-party-property-developer-boris-johnson-conservative-donors-a9588381.html
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,676
    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Stocky said:

    Hartlepool: Labour Party now out to 2.7 with BF. Is this too big?

    I've topped up a bit, but I've no confidence in calling this one.

    Listening to a reporter on the ground, she expects turnout to be low. Which party will this favour?

    Might favour Labour if their GOTV op is superior.

    But you know my feelings here. This should be a Con win and I personally don't think Lab at 2.7 is value.
    Shouldn't you be in your idyllic leafy pub where you can just waltz in to their rose garden and have a cold beer on Downshire Hill?
    Yeah I can't figure out where this pub is, neither can my wife and we lived in Hampstead for 7 years. 🤔
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    I wonder how much awareness there is in the non-political society that there is an election ongoing right now, without campaigning etc?

    Not much sign of it in my area. Received a few leaflets from the Tories, a couple from Labour, no others. On my road there's not many placards advertising parties - the house nearby that permanently flies a Unite the Union flag has a Vote Labour placard on its fence. Not seen any others.

    At the last general election there were many more placards. Kinabalu might be interested to know that last time the houses that fly Union Jack flags mostly but not all had Tory placards at the General Election. None of them have placards so far, only the Unite flag flying garden one does.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,235

    eek said:

    https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/19270556.john-curtice-polls-show-snp-independence-support-slipping/

    Professor JohnCurtice (for it is He) says that whilst SNP support is slipping, the Greens are romping along, so a majority of MSPs will support independence. Strap yourselves in - when HYUFD explodes as a result of Boris doing what he has endlessly said he won't do, it will be messy.

    Although I support Scottish independence, I think the funniest result "for the bantz" would be SNP minority, majority with Greens, second referendum occurs, second referendum goes No.
    That is actually my expected result - the issue needs to be laid to bed and the only way to do that is for the Scottish to see how much they are subsidised by the rest of the UK.

    Which I know is something that MalcolmG is going to argue isn't the case but the reality is the oil has gone and Scotland has little else...
    Why should the rest of us be expected to subsidise the Scots?

    If they wish to control their own destiny, if the economics is neutral, then they should do so. We shouldn't be spending our money to bribe them to stay in a union they don't want for other reasons.
    I didn't say I like the idea (I would prefer Scottish independence for the popcorn value) but the Barnett Formula shows how that side of things work.

    https://www.ifs.org.uk/publications/14982 has some great charts that shows the type of information the Better Together side needs to ensure everyone in Scotland fully comprehends and understands (basically independence means losing a lot of the sweeties such as free university and prescriptions).
  • I think the media will go 1. Hartlepool 2. Scotland 3. London/WM mayors 4. Net gains/losses, comparative year disregarded 5. BBC calculated vote share. Everything else will only get local reports.

    What is the sequence with which results will come through? Most County seats are counting on Friday, I believe. So Hartlepool/Mayors/some district seats late Thursday, Counties and other districts Friday, Scotland late Friday?

    They are counting Hartlepool on the night, but they are validating first. With council AND Mayor AND the PCC AND the byelection to validate, it will be very very late by the time they actually start counting.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,989

    kle4 said:

    We need some new towns. That's definitely popular in generality and not particular though.

    Why?
    Generally speaking, New Towns is failed model.

    There’s no space for them anyway.
    It works as a quick fix to dump a large amount in one place and upset fewer people overall, so might be more popular than acrually better options. Just looking for something which get through the Shire objectors.
  • https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/19270556.john-curtice-polls-show-snp-independence-support-slipping/

    Professor JohnCurtice (for it is He) says that whilst SNP support is slipping, the Greens are romping along, so a majority of MSPs will support independence. Strap yourselves in - when HYUFD explodes as a result of Boris doing what he has endlessly said he won't do, it will be messy.

    Although I support Scottish independence, I think the funniest result "for the bantz" would be SNP minority, majority with Greens, second referendum occurs, second referendum goes No.
    I remain optimistic/stupid in the hope that sensible heads prevail and we discuss a viable constitutional settlement for the successor to the current mess. Regardless of whether that happens or not, if a majority of MSPs are elected on a second referendum mandate then that is the Will Of The People and has to be listened to.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,260
    eek said:

    malcolmg said:

    eek said:

    Alistair said:

    FTPT

    I am absolutely certain self driving cars are only 5 years away

    https://twitter.com/moyix/status/1367575109305794563?s=19

    Not. A. Chance.

    The limitations of current AI techniques and alogorithms are too vast. Maybe for Highway cruising trucks but inner city taxi's? No way. No how.

    Motorway cruising cars will be allowed in UK this year - beyond that it's very difficult to see when the next stage of problems will be fixed enough to allow things to expand.

    But for a lot of journeys automated steering while on a motorway will make those journeys a lot more pleasant.
    Means you can get bladdered down the dog and duck and car will take you home
    That's just about the last (if not the last) thing an automated car will be allowed to do.
    Useless then
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    FPT

    Jonathan said:

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/apr/30/family-facing-40000-fire-safety-bill-told-they-can-contact-samaritans

    Call the samaritans if you feel suicidal advises Jenrick aide to a family who are now fucked in their inferno risk flat.

    Surely the correct advice is to buy a ticket for a Tory fundraiser. Jenrick would sort them out no problem.

    I'm not saying the government is doing the direct bidding of its donors, but - no hang on, I AM saying that.

    Surely the government can do better than that, it is unreasonable for leaseholders to take such a crippling share of responsibility for what has obviously been systemic failure. It's not as if there is moral hazard at work and these leaseholders could have done much if anything to avoid this. A classic case for the government to step in.
    £11m well spent say the developers, as the government mysteriously refuse to engage with millions of occupants stuck in unsaleable properties and instead backs the developers.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/tory-party-property-developer-boris-johnson-conservative-donors-a9588381.html
    Another reason for backing a free market in development, there'd be no reason for developers to seek political favours if there were a free for all. 😉
  • eekeek Posts: 28,235

    https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/19270556.john-curtice-polls-show-snp-independence-support-slipping/

    Professor JohnCurtice (for it is He) says that whilst SNP support is slipping, the Greens are romping along, so a majority of MSPs will support independence. Strap yourselves in - when HYUFD explodes as a result of Boris doing what he has endlessly said he won't do, it will be messy.

    Although I support Scottish independence, I think the funniest result "for the bantz" would be SNP minority, majority with Greens, second referendum occurs, second referendum goes No.
    I remain optimistic/stupid in the hope that sensible heads prevail and we discuss a viable constitutional settlement for the successor to the current mess. Regardless of whether that happens or not, if a majority of MSPs are elected on a second referendum mandate then that is the Will Of The People and has to be listened to.
    Is that true if SNP / Greens / Alba only have 45-49% of the vote?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,989
    IanB2 said:

    I think the media will go 1. Hartlepool 2. Scotland 3. London/WM mayors 4. Net gains/losses, comparative year disregarded 5. BBC calculated vote share. Everything else will only get local reports.

    What is the sequence with which results will come through? Most County seats are counting on Friday, I believe. So Hartlepool/Mayors/some district seats late Thursday, Counties and other districts Friday, Scotland late Friday?

    Parishes saturday!
    Some areas are going validate Friday, county Saturday, parishes Sunday,pcc Monday.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,989

    I think the media will go 1. Hartlepool 2. Scotland 3. London/WM mayors 4. Net gains/losses, comparative year disregarded 5. BBC calculated vote share. Everything else will only get local reports.

    What is the sequence with which results will come through? Most County seats are counting on Friday, I believe. So Hartlepool/Mayors/some district seats late Thursday, Counties and other districts Friday, Scotland late Friday?

    Wales says 'Hi' Nick
    Never heard of it.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,260
    eek said:

    eek said:

    https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/19270556.john-curtice-polls-show-snp-independence-support-slipping/

    Professor JohnCurtice (for it is He) says that whilst SNP support is slipping, the Greens are romping along, so a majority of MSPs will support independence. Strap yourselves in - when HYUFD explodes as a result of Boris doing what he has endlessly said he won't do, it will be messy.

    Although I support Scottish independence, I think the funniest result "for the bantz" would be SNP minority, majority with Greens, second referendum occurs, second referendum goes No.
    That is actually my expected result - the issue needs to be laid to bed and the only way to do that is for the Scottish to see how much they are subsidised by the rest of the UK.

    Which I know is something that MalcolmG is going to argue isn't the case but the reality is the oil has gone and Scotland has little else...
    Why should the rest of us be expected to subsidise the Scots?

    If they wish to control their own destiny, if the economics is neutral, then they should do so. We shouldn't be spending our money to bribe them to stay in a union they don't want for other reasons.
    I didn't say I like the idea (I would prefer Scottish independence for the popcorn value) but the Barnett Formula shows how that side of things work.

    https://www.ifs.org.uk/publications/14982 has some great charts that shows the type of information the Better Together side needs to ensure everyone in Scotland fully comprehends and understands (basically independence means losing a lot of the sweeties such as free university and prescriptions).
    Scaremongering rubbish, no need to lose anything other than the crap UK Trident , London infrastructure spending , HS2 and other vanity projects. England gives us nothing , we pay for it and they borrow money to spend on crap that we would never do.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,235
    malcolmg said:

    eek said:

    malcolmg said:

    eek said:

    Alistair said:

    FTPT

    I am absolutely certain self driving cars are only 5 years away

    https://twitter.com/moyix/status/1367575109305794563?s=19

    Not. A. Chance.

    The limitations of current AI techniques and alogorithms are too vast. Maybe for Highway cruising trucks but inner city taxi's? No way. No how.

    Motorway cruising cars will be allowed in UK this year - beyond that it's very difficult to see when the next stage of problems will be fixed enough to allow things to expand.

    But for a lot of journeys automated steering while on a motorway will make those journeys a lot more pleasant.
    Means you can get bladdered down the dog and duck and car will take you home
    That's just about the last (if not the last) thing an automated car will be allowed to do.
    Useless then
    Yep - to get to the point a drunk can be allowed unaccompanied in a car - the steering wheel needs to go and that I reckon is 20+ years away.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,260

    eek said:

    https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/19270556.john-curtice-polls-show-snp-independence-support-slipping/

    Professor JohnCurtice (for it is He) says that whilst SNP support is slipping, the Greens are romping along, so a majority of MSPs will support independence. Strap yourselves in - when HYUFD explodes as a result of Boris doing what he has endlessly said he won't do, it will be messy.

    Although I support Scottish independence, I think the funniest result "for the bantz" would be SNP minority, majority with Greens, second referendum occurs, second referendum goes No.
    That is actually my expected result - the issue needs to be laid to bed and the only way to do that is for the Scottish to see how much they are subsidised by the rest of the UK.

    Which I know is something that MalcolmG is going to argue isn't the case but the reality is the oil has gone and Scotland has little else...
    Don’t forget as well, rUK will be paying Scottish pensions in the event of indy
    More garbage, Scotland will pay its own pensions like normal countries, England will pay the debts it owes for the money people paid into their pension scam scheme or perhaps welch on their commitments.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,833
    edited April 2021
    Cyclefree said:

    I've had an off the wall idea re the wallpaper (ho ho).

    The PM says he has now "covered" the costs. Odd word that - "covered".

    Maybe what has happened is that the entire sum has been paid by the annual £30k allowance - using unused annual allowances from previous years and years to come. The original donor has been repaid from that sum. So the entire cost has come from the taxpayer but using the annual allowance the PM has for his flat.

    The PM has not paid anything himself. He has simply covered the costs out of his annual allowance. The taxpayer has not been charged anything more than they would have been had the allowance been used up every year.

    This would explain the tortured refusals to explain everything simply - not just because it looks greedy to blow a 5-year budget in one go but also because it looks bad to have to repay the original rich Tory donor.

    Maybe completely wrong of course.

    Oh and I doubt it will affect a single vote.

    Could easily be - did @Charles speculate a similar thing (the allowance brought forward)?

    "Covered" is certainly very carefully used and stands out in Boris' pronouncements over the issue.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,295
    edited April 2021
    Perhaps PB motorists can give me advice.

    The last car I owned was a 1967 Triumph Herald convertible. That was back in Auckland, when I was a student.

    Fast forward twenty odd years.

    I live in London Zone 2, with a driveway. I have two small kids. I would like a car for the wife to commute in, and for country trips on the weekend.

    I am not suffering a mid-life crisis and do not need a Ferrari. But I also hate cheap-feeling, plasticky cars.

    What kind of car should I get?
    And, do I buy or lease?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 95,989
    I guess SNP minority with Greens is technically the best available option. It doesnt change that if the parliament supports a ref they should get one, but at least the SNP would have less reason to be personally smug.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,462
    "582,163 new vaccinations in 🇬🇧 yesterday (ex NI)

    🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 110,976 1st doses / 395,043 2nd doses
    🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 5,342 / 40,232
    🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 14,513 / 16,057

    (NI has changed its reporting in a way which would make day-to-day comparison misleading)"
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,603
    I am looking out for if and how the anti-Tory vote is beginning to shape up, and specifically whether there are any Green shoots.

  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,603

    Perhaps PB motorists can give me advice.

    The last car I owned was a 1967 Triumph Herald convertible. That was back in Auckland, when I was a student.

    Fast forward twenty odd years.

    I live in London Zone 2, with a driveway. I have two small kids. I would like a car for the wife to commute in, and for country trips on the weekend.

    I am not suffering a mid-life crisis and do not need a Ferrari. But I also hate cheap plasticky cars.

    What kind of car should I get?
    And, do I buy or lease?

    budget?
  • eekeek Posts: 28,235
    malcolmg said:

    eek said:

    eek said:

    https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/19270556.john-curtice-polls-show-snp-independence-support-slipping/

    Professor JohnCurtice (for it is He) says that whilst SNP support is slipping, the Greens are romping along, so a majority of MSPs will support independence. Strap yourselves in - when HYUFD explodes as a result of Boris doing what he has endlessly said he won't do, it will be messy.

    Although I support Scottish independence, I think the funniest result "for the bantz" would be SNP minority, majority with Greens, second referendum occurs, second referendum goes No.
    That is actually my expected result - the issue needs to be laid to bed and the only way to do that is for the Scottish to see how much they are subsidised by the rest of the UK.

    Which I know is something that MalcolmG is going to argue isn't the case but the reality is the oil has gone and Scotland has little else...
    Why should the rest of us be expected to subsidise the Scots?

    If they wish to control their own destiny, if the economics is neutral, then they should do so. We shouldn't be spending our money to bribe them to stay in a union they don't want for other reasons.
    I didn't say I like the idea (I would prefer Scottish independence for the popcorn value) but the Barnett Formula shows how that side of things work.

    https://www.ifs.org.uk/publications/14982 has some great charts that shows the type of information the Better Together side needs to ensure everyone in Scotland fully comprehends and understands (basically independence means losing a lot of the sweeties such as free university and prescriptions).
    Scaremongering rubbish, no need to lose anything other than the crap UK Trident , London infrastructure spending , HS2 and other vanity projects. England gives us nothing , we pay for it and they borrow money to spend on crap that we would never do.
    Remember I have no problem with Scotland leaving - I just want the right to say we told you so if/ when it all goes pearshaped.

    PS that "If" is there for you as am 100% certain the Scottish finances are not anywhere near as rosy as you think they are..
  • TimTTimT Posts: 6,468

    Perhaps PB motorists can give me advice.

    The last car I owned was a 1967 Triumph Herald convertible. That was back in Auckland, when I was a student.

    Fast forward twenty odd years.

    I live in London Zone 2, with a driveway. I have two small kids. I would like a car for the wife to commute in, and for country trips on the weekend.

    I am not suffering a mid-life crisis and do not need a Ferrari. But I also hate cheap-feeling, plasticky cars.

    What kind of car should I get?
    And, do I buy or lease?

    BMW X series. (SUV-ish)
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,295
    Jonathan said:

    Perhaps PB motorists can give me advice.

    The last car I owned was a 1967 Triumph Herald convertible. That was back in Auckland, when I was a student.

    Fast forward twenty odd years.

    I live in London Zone 2, with a driveway. I have two small kids. I would like a car for the wife to commute in, and for country trips on the weekend.

    I am not suffering a mid-life crisis and do not need a Ferrari. But I also hate cheap plasticky cars.

    What kind of car should I get?
    And, do I buy or lease?

    budget?
    I am not a car person; largely I regard them as frustrating opex rather than sensible capex.

    So, I am reasonable well off I suppose, but begrudge the cost I am likely to need to spend.

    Does that help?
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    Perhaps PB motorists can give me advice.

    The last car I owned was a 1967 Triumph Herald convertible. That was back in Auckland, when I was a student.

    Fast forward twenty odd years.

    I live in London Zone 2, with a driveway. I have two small kids. I would like a car for the wife to commute in, and for country trips on the weekend.

    I am not suffering a mid-life crisis and do not need a Ferrari. But I also hate cheap-feeling, plasticky cars.

    What kind of car should I get?
    And, do I buy or lease?

    It really depends upon what you want, do you want a saloon or SUV? Sporty or hatchback? Value for money or money no object? Electric or petrol?

    If you've got a driveway I'm guessing that makes electric recharging more viable if you're bothered by that.
  • Andy_CookeAndy_Cooke Posts: 5,001
    The ONS survey shows very good news in dropping infections.
    I've said for a while that we'll have an indication when we're nearing herd immunity (without restrictions), because when infections are dropping at, say, 50% per week with the restrictions we've got, we probably won't be far off (assuming current restrictions impair R by about a factor of 2, taking into account the level of (eroding) compliance).

    They've halved in two weeks, from being reasonably constant for a few weeks before that. Of course, there's chunky error bars involved, but that could be a pointer to us passing the inflexion point on increasing immunity.

    I genuinely think they could bring the 17th of May relaxation forwards by two weeks based on this data, and be ready to bring the 21st of June relaxation forwards significantly as well when more data comes in.
  • TimTTimT Posts: 6,468

    Jonathan said:

    Perhaps PB motorists can give me advice.

    The last car I owned was a 1967 Triumph Herald convertible. That was back in Auckland, when I was a student.

    Fast forward twenty odd years.

    I live in London Zone 2, with a driveway. I have two small kids. I would like a car for the wife to commute in, and for country trips on the weekend.

    I am not suffering a mid-life crisis and do not need a Ferrari. But I also hate cheap plasticky cars.

    What kind of car should I get?
    And, do I buy or lease?

    budget?
    I am not a car person; largely I regard them as frustrating opex rather than sensible capex.

    So, I am reasonable well off I suppose, but begrudge the cost I am likely to need to spend.

    Does that help?
    Suburu Forrester
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,295
    Saloon.
    Utility is more important than sportiness.
    I at least need to feel I am getting value for money.
    Yes, electric would be desirable but I am a bit hostile to Tesla and the broader market seems a bit immature.
  • ChameleonChameleon Posts: 4,264
    If Scotland do get a second referendum, surely the question will be Remain/Leave, not the biased yes/no question.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,676

    Perhaps PB motorists can give me advice.

    The last car I owned was a 1967 Triumph Herald convertible. That was back in Auckland, when I was a student.

    Fast forward twenty odd years.

    I live in London Zone 2, with a driveway. I have two small kids. I would like a car for the wife to commute in, and for country trips on the weekend.

    I am not suffering a mid-life crisis and do not need a Ferrari. But I also hate cheap-feeling, plasticky cars.

    What kind of car should I get?
    And, do I buy or lease?

    Mini Countryman. It's a good size for London and fun to drive outside of London.
  • TimTTimT Posts: 6,468

    Saloon.
    Utility is more important than sportiness.
    I at least need to feel I am getting value for money.
    Yes, electric would be desirable but I am a bit hostile to Tesla and the broader market seems a bit immature.

    If you want utility, a saloon is not necessarily the best option. A crossover saloon/SUV is the way to go. Suburu Forrester.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    edited April 2021

    Jonathan said:

    Perhaps PB motorists can give me advice.

    The last car I owned was a 1967 Triumph Herald convertible. That was back in Auckland, when I was a student.

    Fast forward twenty odd years.

    I live in London Zone 2, with a driveway. I have two small kids. I would like a car for the wife to commute in, and for country trips on the weekend.

    I am not suffering a mid-life crisis and do not need a Ferrari. But I also hate cheap plasticky cars.

    What kind of car should I get?
    And, do I buy or lease?

    budget?
    I am not a car person; largely I regard them as frustrating opex rather than sensible capex.

    So, I am reasonable well off I suppose, but begrudge the cost I am likely to need to spend.

    Does that help?
    I have a lot of time for the Asian brands as a rule of thumb, they tend to have much better value for money than the British or European brands and are a very good quality. Frequently just as often made here too.

    I've not looked into new cars in a long time. My car is a Kia. It was far cheaper when I bought it than comparable cars then due to being a relatively unknown brand, but came with a seven year warranty as opposed to a three year one. I would strongly recommend them as a brand and anyone I know with a Kia has said the same, but I don't know if they're still as good value for money as they used to be.

    I think they still all come now with a seven year warranty as standard which speaks to their respect in their own quality and reliability - not sure what other brands are like.

    EDIT: Kia C'eed is my model, sort of an SUV but not as big as most SUVs. Would probably suit unless you want something smaller.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,603

    Jonathan said:

    Perhaps PB motorists can give me advice.

    The last car I owned was a 1967 Triumph Herald convertible. That was back in Auckland, when I was a student.

    Fast forward twenty odd years.

    I live in London Zone 2, with a driveway. I have two small kids. I would like a car for the wife to commute in, and for country trips on the weekend.

    I am not suffering a mid-life crisis and do not need a Ferrari. But I also hate cheap plasticky cars.

    What kind of car should I get?
    And, do I buy or lease?

    budget?
    I am not a car person; largely I regard them as frustrating opex rather than sensible capex.

    So, I am reasonable well off I suppose, but begrudge the cost I am likely to need to spend.

    Does that help?
    Cheap, green, boring enough to forget about it, easy in the city and capable of going out from time to time with two small kids .

    * Ford Fiesta 1.0l Ecoboost
    * Toyota Yaris Hybrid

    A Ford Focus if you need more space. Like I say boring, but reliable.

    Check out the tax rules, some years are cheaper than others.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,614
    edited April 2021

    https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/19270556.john-curtice-polls-show-snp-independence-support-slipping/

    Professor JohnCurtice (for it is He) says that whilst SNP support is slipping, the Greens are romping along, so a majority of MSPs will support independence. Strap yourselves in - when HYUFD explodes as a result of Boris doing what he has endlessly said he won't do, it will be messy.

    Although I support Scottish independence, I think the funniest result "for the bantz" would be SNP minority, majority with Greens, second referendum occurs, second referendum goes No.
    First Boris will refuse indyref2 regardless as 2014 was a once in a generation referendum, if a referendum is granted by the UK government before a generation has elapsed even if No narrowly wins the Nationalists would demand a third referendum within a year.

    Second a plurality of Scottish Green voters now oppose independence so only an SNP and Alba majority can even be considered to have a mandate for indyref2, an SNP and Green majority will not count
    https://archive.ph/eg2lt
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,833

    Jonathan said:

    Perhaps PB motorists can give me advice.

    The last car I owned was a 1967 Triumph Herald convertible. That was back in Auckland, when I was a student.

    Fast forward twenty odd years.

    I live in London Zone 2, with a driveway. I have two small kids. I would like a car for the wife to commute in, and for country trips on the weekend.

    I am not suffering a mid-life crisis and do not need a Ferrari. But I also hate cheap plasticky cars.

    What kind of car should I get?
    And, do I buy or lease?

    budget?
    I am not a car person; largely I regard them as frustrating opex rather than sensible capex.

    So, I am reasonable well off I suppose, but begrudge the cost I am likely to need to spend.

    Does that help?
    Seconded on a BMW X series (5 is the biggest, 3 is a smaller 5 and 1 is the SUV of the Touring). Or touring if you prefer closer to the ground and traditional rear wheel drive.

    But we are all skating on thin ice here once Dura comes on and spells out exactly what it is you actually do need.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,833
    MaxPB said:

    Perhaps PB motorists can give me advice.

    The last car I owned was a 1967 Triumph Herald convertible. That was back in Auckland, when I was a student.

    Fast forward twenty odd years.

    I live in London Zone 2, with a driveway. I have two small kids. I would like a car for the wife to commute in, and for country trips on the weekend.

    I am not suffering a mid-life crisis and do not need a Ferrari. But I also hate cheap-feeling, plasticky cars.

    What kind of car should I get?
    And, do I buy or lease?

    Mini Countryman. It's a good size for London and fun to drive outside of London.
    And for commuting to and from your salon.

    :smiley:
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,162
    malcolmg said:

    eek said:

    https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/19270556.john-curtice-polls-show-snp-independence-support-slipping/

    Professor JohnCurtice (for it is He) says that whilst SNP support is slipping, the Greens are romping along, so a majority of MSPs will support independence. Strap yourselves in - when HYUFD explodes as a result of Boris doing what he has endlessly said he won't do, it will be messy.

    Although I support Scottish independence, I think the funniest result "for the bantz" would be SNP minority, majority with Greens, second referendum occurs, second referendum goes No.
    That is actually my expected result - the issue needs to be laid to bed and the only way to do that is for the Scottish to see how much they are subsidised by the rest of the UK.

    Which I know is something that MalcolmG is going to argue isn't the case but the reality is the oil has gone and Scotland has little else...
    Don’t forget as well, rUK will be paying Scottish pensions in the event of indy
    More garbage, Scotland will pay its own pensions like normal countries, England will pay the debts it owes for the money people paid into their pension scam scheme or perhaps welch on their commitments.
    There are no such 'debts' owed by England other than to english people. The OAP doesn't work that way. Current Scots would pay Scottish pensions , etc
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,295
    Thanks for the achingly dull recommendations, although I accept my requirement is achingly dull.

    So, do I buy or lease?
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,833

    The ONS survey shows very good news in dropping infections.
    I've said for a while that we'll have an indication when we're nearing herd immunity (without restrictions), because when infections are dropping at, say, 50% per week with the restrictions we've got, we probably won't be far off (assuming current restrictions impair R by about a factor of 2, taking into account the level of (eroding) compliance).

    They've halved in two weeks, from being reasonably constant for a few weeks before that. Of course, there's chunky error bars involved, but that could be a pointer to us passing the inflexion point on increasing immunity.

    I genuinely think they could bring the 17th of May relaxation forwards by two weeks based on this data, and be ready to bring the 21st of June relaxation forwards significantly as well when more data comes in.

    Someone (could have been you) put it perfectly yesterday. Apols I can't remember:

    Rhetoric is data not dates, policy is dates not data.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 13,677

    Perhaps PB motorists can give me advice.

    The last car I owned was a 1967 Triumph Herald convertible. That was back in Auckland, when I was a student.

    Fast forward twenty odd years.

    I live in London Zone 2, with a driveway. I have two small kids. I would like a car for the wife to commute in, and for country trips on the weekend.

    I am not suffering a mid-life crisis and do not need a Ferrari. But I also hate cheap-feeling, plasticky cars.

    What kind of car should I get?
    And, do I buy or lease?

    Hyundai Ioniq 5 or VW ID.4 both have good interiors.

    93kwh Taycan is a great car if the budget allows.

    I've just bought a manual '07 997 Turbo with a blown turbo and a roasted clutch. She's fucking mint.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,676
    TOPPING said:

    MaxPB said:

    Perhaps PB motorists can give me advice.

    The last car I owned was a 1967 Triumph Herald convertible. That was back in Auckland, when I was a student.

    Fast forward twenty odd years.

    I live in London Zone 2, with a driveway. I have two small kids. I would like a car for the wife to commute in, and for country trips on the weekend.

    I am not suffering a mid-life crisis and do not need a Ferrari. But I also hate cheap-feeling, plasticky cars.

    What kind of car should I get?
    And, do I buy or lease?

    Mini Countryman. It's a good size for London and fun to drive outside of London.
    And for commuting to and from your salon.

    :smiley:
    Better than an Evoque!
  • StockyStocky Posts: 10,186
    edited April 2021

    Jonathan said:

    Perhaps PB motorists can give me advice.

    The last car I owned was a 1967 Triumph Herald convertible. That was back in Auckland, when I was a student.

    Fast forward twenty odd years.

    I live in London Zone 2, with a driveway. I have two small kids. I would like a car for the wife to commute in, and for country trips on the weekend.

    I am not suffering a mid-life crisis and do not need a Ferrari. But I also hate cheap plasticky cars.

    What kind of car should I get?
    And, do I buy or lease?

    budget?
    I am not a car person; largely I regard them as frustrating opex rather than sensible capex.

    So, I am reasonable well off I suppose, but begrudge the cost I am likely to need to spend.

    Does that help?
    I have a lot of time for the Asian brands as a rule of thumb, they tend to have much better value for money than the British or European brands and are a very good quality. Frequently just as often made here too.

    I've not looked into new cars in a long time. My car is a Kia. It was far cheaper when I bought it than comparable cars then due to being a relatively unknown brand, but came with a seven year warranty as opposed to a three year one. I would strongly recommend them as a brand and anyone I know with a Kia has said the same, but I don't know if they're still as good value for money as they used to be.

    I think they still all come now with a seven year warranty as standard which speaks to their respect in their own quality and reliability - not sure what other brands are like.

    EDIT: Kia C'eed is my model, sort of an SUV but not as big as most SUVs. Would probably suit unless you want something smaller.
    I've recently bought a Hyundai i10 as a runaround and for my daughters to learn to drive in. It's perfect. It replaces a Audi A1 which I would have gone for again but for the insurance cost for learner drivers.

    All cars are plasticky these days aren't they?

    I'd recommend either of above two cars but maybe look at minis as well?
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,833
    MaxPB said:

    TOPPING said:

    MaxPB said:

    Perhaps PB motorists can give me advice.

    The last car I owned was a 1967 Triumph Herald convertible. That was back in Auckland, when I was a student.

    Fast forward twenty odd years.

    I live in London Zone 2, with a driveway. I have two small kids. I would like a car for the wife to commute in, and for country trips on the weekend.

    I am not suffering a mid-life crisis and do not need a Ferrari. But I also hate cheap-feeling, plasticky cars.

    What kind of car should I get?
    And, do I buy or lease?

    Mini Countryman. It's a good size for London and fun to drive outside of London.
    And for commuting to and from your salon.

    :smiley:
    Better than an Evoque!
    LOL true!
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,603

    Thanks for the achingly dull recommendations, although I accept my requirement is achingly dull.

    So, do I buy or lease?

    FWIW I buy and write it off. Probably not the cheapest, but I simply can't be arsed with leases and finance on cars and all the Delboy nonsense that goes with it.
  • eek said:

    https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/19270556.john-curtice-polls-show-snp-independence-support-slipping/

    Professor JohnCurtice (for it is He) says that whilst SNP support is slipping, the Greens are romping along, so a majority of MSPs will support independence. Strap yourselves in - when HYUFD explodes as a result of Boris doing what he has endlessly said he won't do, it will be messy.

    Although I support Scottish independence, I think the funniest result "for the bantz" would be SNP minority, majority with Greens, second referendum occurs, second referendum goes No.
    That is actually my expected result - the issue needs to be laid to bed and the only way to do that is for the Scottish to see how much they are subsidised by the rest of the UK.

    Which I know is something that MalcolmG is going to argue isn't the case but the reality is the oil has gone and Scotland has little else...
    Whisky!
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,833

    Just got my Covid Vaccine invitation via text! 💉😁

    Will be going tomorrow morning.

    38 years old, so into the thirties now.

    Fantastic. Welcome aboard.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 13,677
    TOPPING said:

    Jonathan said:

    Perhaps PB motorists can give me advice.

    The last car I owned was a 1967 Triumph Herald convertible. That was back in Auckland, when I was a student.

    Fast forward twenty odd years.

    I live in London Zone 2, with a driveway. I have two small kids. I would like a car for the wife to commute in, and for country trips on the weekend.

    I am not suffering a mid-life crisis and do not need a Ferrari. But I also hate cheap plasticky cars.

    What kind of car should I get?
    And, do I buy or lease?

    budget?
    I am not a car person; largely I regard them as frustrating opex rather than sensible capex.

    So, I am reasonable well off I suppose, but begrudge the cost I am likely to need to spend.

    Does that help?
    Seconded on a BMW X series (5 is the biggest, 3 is a smaller 5 and 1 is the SUV of the Touring). Or touring if you prefer closer to the ground and traditional rear wheel drive.

    But we are all skating on thin ice here once Dura comes on and spells out exactly what it is you actually do need.
    X7 is the largest BMW SUV. This discussion is like watching me try to opine on wine or coffee.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,891
    malcolmg said:

    eek said:

    Alistair said:

    FTPT

    I am absolutely certain self driving cars are only 5 years away

    https://twitter.com/moyix/status/1367575109305794563?s=19

    Not. A. Chance.

    The limitations of current AI techniques and alogorithms are too vast. Maybe for Highway cruising trucks but inner city taxi's? No way. No how.

    Motorway cruising cars will be allowed in UK this year - beyond that it's very difficult to see when the next stage of problems will be fixed enough to allow things to expand.

    But for a lot of journeys automated steering while on a motorway will make those journeys a lot more pleasant.
    Means you can get bladdered down the dog and duck and car will take you home
    They've been using that method in the Outer Hebrides for years, with mixed success.
  • https://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/politics/local-mayoral-parliamentary-scottish-welsh-elections-results-polls

    Peter Kellner has summarised various targets for each party to claim success.

    Conservatives

    Open up a five-point lead over Labour in projected Britain-wide vote share
    Re-elect Tory mayors in West Midlands and Tees Valley and win mayoral election in West Yorkshire
    Gain Hartlepool parliamentary seat from Labour
    Win at least 25 per cent support in constituency vote in Scotland
    Win at least 20 (out of 60) seats in Welsh Parliament
    Gain votes in London mayoral election (having achieved 35 per cent of first-preference votes last time)

    Labour

    Overtake Tories in projected Britain-wide vote share
    Win London mayoralty outright on first preference votes (44 per cent last time)
    Defeat Tory incumbent mayors in West Midlands and Tees Valley; win mayoral election in West Yorkshire
    Hold Hartlepool parliamentary seat
    Win at least 25 per cent support in constituency vote in Scotland
    Win absolute majority in Welsh Parliament (two short last time)

    Liberal Democrats

    Win at least 16 per cent of projected Britain-wide vote share
    Gain more council seats than they lose
    Win at least 10 per cent of constituency vote in elections to the Scottish Parliament and Welsh Assembly (8 per cent in both elections last time)

    SNP

    Win overall majority in Scottish Parliament (they need 65 of the 129 seats; they won 63 last time)
    Keep Alex Salmond’s new Alba party out of the parliament completely

    Greens

    Win at least 8 per cent of first preference votes in the London mayoral election
    Gain 100 seats in English council elections
    Add to the six seats they won last time in Scotland

    Plaid Cymru

    Win at least 15 seats in Welsh Assembly (12 last time)
    Win at least 25 per cent of the vote in either the constituency or party list vote (21 per cent in both last time)
  • StockyStocky Posts: 10,186
    Jonathan said:

    Thanks for the achingly dull recommendations, although I accept my requirement is achingly dull.

    So, do I buy or lease?

    FWIW I buy and write it off. Probably not the cheapest, but I simply can't be arsed with leases and finance on cars and all the Delboy nonsense that goes with it.
    Completely agree. I've looked at this a few times and I always come back to cash is best.
  • RH1992RH1992 Posts: 788
    kle4 said:

    kle4 said:

    We need some new towns. That's definitely popular in generality and not particular though.

    Why?
    Generally speaking, New Towns is failed model.

    There’s no space for them anyway.
    It works as a quick fix to dump a large amount in one place and upset fewer people overall, so might be more popular than acrually better options. Just looking for something which get through the Shire objectors.
    I grew up in a New Town and they suffer quite badly from brain drain. There's plenty of manufacturing/factory jobs available but if you want to do anything else you need to relocate sadly as there's zero incentive to get a degree and then move back there.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,833
    Dura_Ace said:

    TOPPING said:

    Jonathan said:

    Perhaps PB motorists can give me advice.

    The last car I owned was a 1967 Triumph Herald convertible. That was back in Auckland, when I was a student.

    Fast forward twenty odd years.

    I live in London Zone 2, with a driveway. I have two small kids. I would like a car for the wife to commute in, and for country trips on the weekend.

    I am not suffering a mid-life crisis and do not need a Ferrari. But I also hate cheap plasticky cars.

    What kind of car should I get?
    And, do I buy or lease?

    budget?
    I am not a car person; largely I regard them as frustrating opex rather than sensible capex.

    So, I am reasonable well off I suppose, but begrudge the cost I am likely to need to spend.

    Does that help?
    Seconded on a BMW X series (5 is the biggest, 3 is a smaller 5 and 1 is the SUV of the Touring). Or touring if you prefer closer to the ground and traditional rear wheel drive.

    But we are all skating on thin ice here once Dura comes on and spells out exactly what it is you actually do need.
    X7 is the largest BMW SUV. This discussion is like watching me try to opine on wine or coffee.
    haha that is true but I can't imagine anyone wanting or needing anything bigger than the 5.

    I knew I was going to be in trouble the moment I responded.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,676

    Just got my Covid Vaccine invitation via text! 💉😁

    Will be going tomorrow morning.

    38 years old, so into the thirties now.

    Not long now, and good to see there's available slots for first doses without any issues or waiting for a week.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,791
    edited April 2021
    We are can't take a stance or join a lobbying campaign, but we are taking a stance....

    The BBC as a corporation cannot take part in the campaign. We have special duties that don't apply to other organisations under our Royal Charter and editorial guidelines that prevent us from joining lobbying campaigns. So while we have firm policies to deal with online abuse, the corporation cannot join a lobbying campaign no matter how worthy the cause.

    This does not mean that the BBC is neutral on issues such as racism or hate crime. They are abhorrent.

    https://www.bbc.com/sport/56942511

    I genuinely don't see what all these clubs not tweeting for a couple of days will achieve.
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 6,700
    Stocky said:

    Jonathan said:

    Perhaps PB motorists can give me advice.

    The last car I owned was a 1967 Triumph Herald convertible. That was back in Auckland, when I was a student.

    Fast forward twenty odd years.

    I live in London Zone 2, with a driveway. I have two small kids. I would like a car for the wife to commute in, and for country trips on the weekend.

    I am not suffering a mid-life crisis and do not need a Ferrari. But I also hate cheap plasticky cars.

    What kind of car should I get?
    And, do I buy or lease?

    budget?
    I am not a car person; largely I regard them as frustrating opex rather than sensible capex.

    So, I am reasonable well off I suppose, but begrudge the cost I am likely to need to spend.

    Does that help?
    I have a lot of time for the Asian brands as a rule of thumb, they tend to have much better value for money than the British or European brands and are a very good quality. Frequently just as often made here too.

    I've not looked into new cars in a long time. My car is a Kia. It was far cheaper when I bought it than comparable cars then due to being a relatively unknown brand, but came with a seven year warranty as opposed to a three year one. I would strongly recommend them as a brand and anyone I know with a Kia has said the same, but I don't know if they're still as good value for money as they used to be.

    I think they still all come now with a seven year warranty as standard which speaks to their respect in their own quality and reliability - not sure what other brands are like.

    EDIT: Kia C'eed is my model, sort of an SUV but not as big as most SUVs. Would probably suit unless you want something smaller.
    I've recently bought a Hyundai i10 as a runaround and for my daughters to learn to drive in. It's perfect. It replaces a Audi A1 which I would have gone for again but for the insurance cost for learner drivers.

    All cars are plasticky these days aren't they?

    I'd recommend either of above two cars but maybe look at minis as well?
    There is plastic and there is plastic.we thought the I 10 was sub optimal cheap plastic ...and went for a Honda Jazz.. OK we are of a certain age and me more so than my wife but it's a good car and does 50mpg.. avoid the automatic imho.
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